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Michael Moore Was Right: Progressives Don't Watch Enough TV

By Vanessa Richmond, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2009.


Why TV is ground zero for understanding American culture -- the 9 best shows on air that you should be watching.
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The following is the first article in a three-part AlterNet series appearing on Fridays on television and culture by Vanessa Richmond.

Do you know what's wrong with the Left?” asked Michael Moore about a decade ago at The Media and Democracy Congress. “They don’t watch TV.”  If anything, the number of those in the anti-TV army has grown.

Some people who have things like jobs and kids and marriages and friends (and even the luxury of hobbies or regular workouts) think they aren’t watching TV because they don’t have time. It’s gone on the list of things they might do if they were suddenly, say, retired. Along with getting a long-haired dog. Or taking up snowboarding.

But that’s not really why busy, progressive people don’t watch TV. It’s that somehow TV’s image has become associated with the Right and the average. I’ve asked anti-TV friends and they say TV is nothing but 24-hour infotainment, like Fox News, comin' atcha with flashing lights and jingles. And to those people, it doesn’t seem as rewarding -- on a personal or even civic level -- as reading a newspaper or book, or watching a good “film.” Or, even, eating ice cream, drinking wine, or catching up on sleep. They’d rather, in fact, pour lemon juice on their cuts, they tell me, than tune in.

But listen, as I tell those (sneering) friends, TV is back. Some critics are even calling it the golden age of TV. And not just because of HBO, which is even now sometimes called "HBOver" due to the new, good competition like AMC. 

Whether you’re watching an hour of Mad Men on your laptop in bed, getting into a couch-coma on a Sunday with a rented series on DVD, or tuning into Letterman or Colbert at night while checking your email, TV can be a rejuvenating, stimulating, and rewarding experience.  And don’t underestimate the zone out aspect -- it can be the antidote to this over-productive, perfectionistic culture.

Yes, of course, most shows are crap, featuring clichéd writing and god-awful, predictable production style. But though I’d rather tempt you with what’s breath-takingly good, it’s worth pointing out that even crap is worthwhile when it’s watched by millions. Hey, more people voted as part of Super Female Voice in China (the equivalent of American Idol) than voted in the national election, and things aren’t that far off here. When any show gets that much attention, it’s worth it, from a cultural understanding standpoint anyway, to see why.

But either way, whether you’re watching award-winning dramas or cheap reality shows, as Michael Moore suggested over a decade ago, if you’re missing out on TV, you’re missing out period. Culture includes all sorts of things, but TV is the baseline, (yes, sometimes it’s base, but that’s part of the point) which means not watching it makes you as uninformed as someone who doesn’t read the news. And I know you all do that. Watching TV means you get to learn about and have more informed conversations about politics, values, culture ... and relationships, sex, and drugs.

(And a side note, though I know I’ll get death threats over this, let me just speak to those of you who say, often loudly, that you don’t watch TV, when we know that’s a lie. Yes we do. It’s still called TV whether you’re watching it on your laptop, renting it from NetFlix, or downloading it from the moon. I know almost no one with cable anymore, so know that if you’re viewing something that has ever been on TV, it’s called TV. It’s time to come out of the closet, and stop pretending to be a hater to get social points. Second, if you really have shunned all forms of TV thinking it elevates you, just try to think back to second year university and remember that so-called “high” culture can be either great or boring, and it’s the same with “low” culture. Anything else is classist, and I know you’re not that.)

I’m not a TV critic. I’m a cultural critic. So I easily spend a couple dozen hours a week on books, movies, newspapers, blogs, and TV. You don’t have time for that. That’s why you read stuff by people like me. But I’m suggesting you make time for just a little bit of it.

Also, if you’re new (or returning) to TV, bear in mind that a good TV show is like a good book: it can take a while to get into.

So come out of the closet, or at least tune in. Watch something good. Read more about it to savor fully. Then talk about it with friends and strangers.

The following list is of shows that are on the air now that have gained critical acclaim.

Sit coms are sitting up


The genre got a bit tired and dumb, but a few current newbies are reinventing it. The New York Times calls Modern Family this season’s “standout new show.” It profiles several, fictional families including a cringe-inducing wannabe cool dad, two gay dads who’ve just adopted a daughter, and a couple several decades apart in age.

The Chicago Sun-Times says this “fast-paced mockumentary perfectly captures the experience of parenthood: chaotic and embarrassing. For all involved.”

And Salon says that while “Families are funny. Sitcoms about families are not…Instead of the usual family sitcom curse of clichés and bad Full House jokes, Modern Family captures the absurdities, quirks and freakish flaws of today's extended family in ways that feel lively, unique and just dark and mean-spirited enough to be ... well, accurate.”


Laugh till it hurts -- Curb Your Enthusiasm

Actually, sometimes it hurts so much I don’t laugh, but that strange, slightly sado-masochistic experience is what I like about it. Curb Your Enthusiasm stopped being “appointment TV” for many people a few seasons ago, but most agree it’s back.

The New York Times’ Alessandra Stanley writes that “Both Bored to Death and Curb Your Enthusiasm have heroes who are hell-bent on doing the impossible and are doomed to fail. And it’s impossible not to prefer them just as they are.” The Washington Post’s Tom Shales writes, “You know you will laugh, but you know you will cringe. You know you will guffaw, but you'll also likely wince. It's hard to imagine comedy that's any edgier, without being topical, than this.”

“Larry David, the creator and star of Curb Your Enthusiasm, posits a universe in which people respond to friends and strangers without manners or inhibition. It isn’t just that Mr. David gives offense; offense is always taken, instantly and loudly, by blind dates, receptionists, store clerks, doctors, old friends and new acquaintances. In real life, people usually respond to a verbal affront by ignoring it or smoothing it over with nervous laughter. In Larry Davidland, even ladies snarl and snap at his faux pas like unchained Rottweilers.

And The Chicago Tribune writes that “the David of Curb is so scathingly direct that he’s also quite funny; half the time he’s just saying things that the rest of us are too polite or repressed to say. And what redeems Curb is that David’s despair over the stupidity of the world is balanced by a healthy amount of self-loathing ? he may think everyone else is a moron, but quite often thinks he’s an idiot too .... Right out of the box, David is absolutely pushing the limits of TV comedy on issues of race, gender, coarse language, mental illness and physical disease.”

Talk isn’t cheap -- Late night talk shows

It’s not every night that something culturally or politically significant happens on Letterman, The Daily Show, or the Colbert Report, but it’s most nights. And how about this week, no? Just pick one, any one, and try it out once in a while.

Only boring people are bored -- Bored to Death

The premise is this: novelist Jonathan Ames loses his girlfriend, and unable to complete his second book, decides to list himself as a private detective. His needy and self-indulgent editor is Ted Danson. It’s a ridiculous premise that put me off until I read, for example, that it was about a self-hating, almost nihilistic writer, and that the show “peels back the layers of vanity and self-delusion that clog up overly precious creative circles to reveal a bunch of hapless children, trying (and often failing) to keep themselves productively occupied,”  for example. Or that,“there is a fey, slacker lovability to Schwartzman’s character, Jonathan Ames.”

Or even that it features yet “another man old enough to know better who nevertheless does whatever he wants. In this arch, mannered comedy, Ted Danson plays George Christopher, a magazine editor who never met a trend, a party or a drug he didn't want to try.” In fact, it could even be called a stoner comedy, there is so much pot about.

And while it seems ridiculous, it works because it “never abandons the world the rest of us can recognize.”

Keep it “real” -- Project Runway, Top Chef, America’s Next Top Model

Look, millions of people can’t be wrong. Well, they can. But it’s interesting to see what the appeal is of reality shows. Neither realistic, nor useful in helping you learn to win anything other than a reality contest, these shows are nonetheless compelling, mostly because they reveal the tattered and debased yet hopeful state of the American Dream. No need to watch all of them, or watch every week. This is just a sampling suggestion.

Stay below the law -- Sons of Anarchy

The New York Daily News writes that “Like the Sopranos before them, the Sons of Anarchy motorcycle club has little use for the basic covenants that keep society civil .... To say we actually like any of these characters would be stretching it. But we're drawn into their lives, and as it starts its second season, Sons of Anarchy can't be left out of any conversation about the golden age of cable drama.”

Sons of Anarchy roars into its second season with screenwriting so good it makes you care about characters you don't even want to look at.”

Sons of Anarchy is not gentle. It “caters to mature audiences with plenty of violence, sex and language issues at hand. But there's a can't-look-away element to Sutter's portrayal of this subculture (and there's a lot of humor in the show as well),” according to the San Francisco Chronicle’s Tim Goodman.

Cheer up -- Glee

It’s not for everyone, but if you like musicals, awkward high school misfits, and happy stories, you might want to catch one episode to see if it hooks you. The kids sing, the football coach smokes pot sold to him by the former music teacher, the dominiatrix-style cheerleading coach is a media darling who bullies the other teachers.

Most musicals haven’t done well on TV, but this one has so far. A few TV-watching friends of mine rave about this, as do many critics, so I’m including it. To me, the quirkiness seems almost formulaic. But I’m happy to be told I’m missing something. And I can’t argue with Tim Goodman’s assessment that “Americans need a little emotional lift, yes? The whole pursuit-of-happiness thing? Glee, one of the season's best and most anticipated new series, delivers on both counts -- and more. It's a quirky, sweet, humorous, nonpartisan funfest.”

He writes that the “series is an irreverent, upbeat, non-cynical take on the cliche-ridden trope of high school life, as seen through the eyes of cheerleaders, jocks, quirky and underpaid teachers and - now that the geeks have inherited the hip tech world - the lowest of the low: the Glee Club.”

The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Jonathan Storm calls it “this season’s best new TV show.”

Seems a little cliché. But I’d rather have clichéd misfits than prom queens.

And of course -- Mad Men

It’s the best show on TV now, and maybe so far in the history of TV. Its main rivals are The Sopranos and The Wire and I think it surpasses both in terms of subtlety, consistency, and range of socio-politico-cultural issues.

But trying to express what’s good about Mad Men succinctly is as difficult as making a good TV show itself. The New York Daily NewsDavid Hinckley writes, “It's not comfortable. Just compelling…For all the first-rate drama on television these days, no one tells a story with more poetry and passion than the writers and cast of Mad Men.”

“There are no heroes or villains here, only people working out or being carried toward their individual destinies. And in who we root for and in what we root for them to choose, we also define ourselves,” writes Los Angeles Times’ Robert Lloyd.

"Mad Men's tendency to lean in to the almost surreal inhumanity of modern times, its thirst for savagery in mundane settings, are exactly what make it worth watching,” writes Salon.

If you’re going to watch just one show, to test the water so to speak, I think you know what to do.

Got a show that’s on now that you think is good? That you think was missed here? Why not discuss in the comments section.


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Tyee Contributing Editor Vanessa Richmond writes the Schlock and Awe column about popular culture and the media. She is also the former managing editor of the Tyee.

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Include Me Out ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 9, 2009 12:55 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sorry Michael Moore, there are some acts of insanity that I am too old and cowardly to contemplate.

It has gotten to the point where I watch The News Hour just to see how they have capitulated to TPTB.

As far as wacky lifestyles, they just make me nervous. I have enough work trying to reconcile my own identity.

Then there are the commercials on network TV ... Pure bullshit ... Why should I give any Nielson points to networks that only pour out garbage.

It has gotten to the point where I don't watch professional sports anymore. Millionaires playing for billionaires in stadiums bought and paid for by cities and counties that can't afford a decent education for their children.

Watch TV? Include Me Out ...

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What's happened to pages 2&3
Posted by: cordas on Oct 9, 2009 1:14 AM   
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?

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America at its phoniest
Posted by: weathered on Oct 9, 2009 1:20 AM   
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Pull the plug, rent films & shows.

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» A box of 40 or 50 for $20? Posted by: Jkid4x
Haven't ever owned a TV and don't intend to
Posted by: watergrl69 on Oct 9, 2009 1:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
TV as culture? You must be kidding. I don't have the time to waste on TV, and as far as knowing what's going on in the world, you don't need TV to find it. NO THANKS, I will pass....

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Wish I could see more
Posted by: cordas on Oct 9, 2009 1:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Being in the UK I have to wait for the best of US TV to come to this side of the pond so haven't seen some of the shows that are talked about in this article, but I will be keeping my eye out for Bored to Death and Sons of Anarchy.

A couple of American shows I have seen that I highly rate are:

True Blood: Yeah its supernatural, its got vampires and psychics and other things that go bump in the night and more sex and nudity than I have seen on telly in many a year. However its well written, funny, superbly acted and places most of its in a morally grey area that makes for intelligent drama.

Dexter: Serial killer good guy, its bizarre to be rooting for a serial killer but this show makes you do just that because of the intelligent scripts and superb acting.

Other shows that have now finished production from the states that I have loved are: Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, The Shield and of course the breath taking The Wire (probably the best TV show I have ever seen).

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Rachel Maddow needs to step it up, get in GOP faces
Posted by: Moonray on Oct 9, 2009 2:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I was delighted when Rachel Maddow took over the 9 p.m. slot on MSNBC, but her show has become too academic and schoolmarmish. Rachel is constantly tut-tutting over Republican duplicity, a subject most of us lefties take for granted. Her show often looks and sounds like a graduate course in political science, which is a recipe for ratings disaster.

I hate to say it, but Rachel could take a few lessons from the evil trolls over on Fox. It wouldn't hurt to deal with more topics the average working stiff can relate to, instead of her usual mind-numbing lectures about push polls and misleading campaign tactics.

Rachel is at her best when she tears into some Republican stooge face to face and exposes his lies and deceit on the air. She hasn't done that lately and has become annoyingly polite to the Republican grease-balls who dare to appear on her show. That needs to change.

Joy Behar is just a click away and she knows the importance of entertaining the audience while you're teaching them.

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» Yes to 'The Ed Show'! Posted by: countingdaisies
Rachel Maddow needs to step it up, get in GOP faces
Posted by: Moonray on Oct 9, 2009 2:17 AM   
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I was delighted when Rachel Maddow took over the 9 p.m. slot on MSNBC, but her show has become too academic and schoolmarmish. Rachel is constantly tut-tutting over Republican duplicity, a subject most of us lefties take for granted. Her show often looks and sounds like a graduate course in political science, which is a recipe for ratings disaster.

I hate to say it, but Rachel could take a few lessons from the evil trolls over on Fox. It wouldn't hurt to deal with more topics the average working stiff can relate to, instead of her usual mind-numbing lectures about push polls and misleading campaign tactics.

Rachel is at her best when she tears into some Republican stooge face to face and exposes his lies and deceit on the air. She hasn't done that lately and has become annoyingly polite to the Republican grease-balls who dare to appear on her show. That needs to change.

Joy Behar is just a click away and she knows the importance of entertaining the audience while you're teaching them.

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I have a better list
Posted by: shellius on Oct 9, 2009 2:27 AM   
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The only thing worth making your list is The Daily Show. The rest would/do make me gag. (OK, Letterman is fine).

My must-see TV is CNN International, (not the regular CNN) Rachel Maddow, Planet Green and the Discovery Channel and CSPAN. Throw in Fringe and Weeds and that's all you need to know about everything in our so-called culture. Sitcoms and Glee? No thanks. And we can choose better than Mad Men. That show is sexist and horribly over-rated. Why promote junk?

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TV was far better 40 years ago with 3 Channels...
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 3:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Writers were allowed to let their imagination run riot, and produce truly innovative challenging dramas, series, documentaries and actually report some of the real news truthfully.

Movies too were far better and diverse than they are now, and in the 80's when computer games came along, although the graphics weren't that great, the gameplay was phenomenal...

In order to fully appreciate all this diverse entertainment meant that you actually had to think and concentrate. Your brain was actually being engaged and stimulated.

Now, all the news is propaganda. TV series are the same old regurgitated and repeated crap from a once successful formula. Most movies are absolutely dire remakes of what were brilliant original films. And computer games simply have better graphics of the same old themes repeated over and over again.

The World of entertainment is designed for a dumbed down mind, to keep populations dumbed down. The intention is to lower overall IQ, such that the average of 100 is equivalent to what was 75 a generation ago.

The same is true of education. You are not supposed to think - just consume shit and obey.

I admit there are some exceptions, and occasionally I see something new which is truly innovative and stimulating, but most of it is complete and utter dross.

Try reading a book instead.

Tony

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Support corporate media?
Posted by: Word Mix on Oct 9, 2009 3:47 AM   
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I don't think so. I quit watching precisely because I have few dollars to spend and I won't support any network that doesn't do balanced news.

Now, if you had pointed to shows like Maddow, those might be worth watching just to up the ratings of progressive newscasts.

I won't watch though because it isn't worth spending the money on a decent antenna to get one or two channels and forsaking a few meals in the process. I have a converter box for anyone who wants it. Didn't work for me in rural Amerika.

Even low end satellite access doesn't get me much but there are other ways to get real news and good entertainment. Anyone ever hear of books? They're much healthier for the brain than watching TV as well as a wealth of entertainment...they don't support major corporate media and can be borrowed at your local library.

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No 2 1/2 Men???????
Posted by: 4America on Oct 9, 2009 3:57 AM   
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Letterman is the biggest sleaze on TV but I guess that doesn't offend some so long as his politics is their politics - amazing!

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Try something interactive instead.
Posted by: mercianomad on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have given up TV (and most modern music, and driving cars, but both of those are other stories) since 2003 and it has notably improved my life. The one thing I absolutely do not miss is the amount of advertising and propaganda I had to deal with. Horrendous, really.

With all the extra time saved I get to work on things like piano playing, art, books, and writing, as well as more exercise and generally a much more satisfying and stimulating lifestyle. I greatly prefer interactivity. I'd much rather sit around and play with clay or go over some chess puzzles or talk to a friend on my porch. I cannot believe that I used to spend whole Sundays passively watching NFL games and drinking beer. What a waste of time that was.

The thought that kept running through my head is: "Why do I need this stuff? What did mankind do 100+ years ago? Should I assume they were frightfully bored?" I'm very glad I had that thought and did something about it.

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Hits and Misses
Posted by: Celtic Tiger on Oct 9, 2009 4:01 AM   
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Thanks to DVR or DVD, it's possible to watch tv-originated series as "film" and skip the commercials.
So Moore is right to suggest that getting a taste of what a majority of Americans do to be entertained is a good thing. You don't have to be a fan of "24" to recognize its influence on right-wing politics and mass culture.
I disagree with Vanessa's assessment of Mad Men as "possibly the best tv show ever. " Really? Better than The Wire? Breaking Bad? The Sopranos? And those are just three candidates in the fiction category. Not including Breaking Bad is either a sudden lapse or just idiotic. Mad Men can be interesting to look at but don't confuse vacuousness with subtlety, posing with acting.

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More consumption
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 9, 2009 4:18 AM   
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The import of this article--appearing on a progressive website--is that we should consume more mass culture. Let us go off to read a book and savor the irony.

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Cultural criticism and TV
Posted by: peacelf on Oct 9, 2009 4:24 AM   
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After 20 years of no cable and watching only a bit of news, PBS and an occasional movie on TV, I found myself semi-retired and extra time on my hand, bought cable (phone and modem) from a locally owned provider and began watching TV with a critical eye.

I find it quite satisfying to uncover and reveal programming that enlightens or harms its viewers. It makes for great small talk when I can enter into a conversation about a TV show and then work in my critical analysis. It's a good way to reach out to those who think differently, as well.

Peace

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Studies Link Alternet Corporate TV, Mainstream Media and Depression
Posted by: mtcloud on Oct 9, 2009 4:26 AM   
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Studies Link Alternet Corporate TV, Mainstream Media and Depression


Study Links TV and Depression

The amount of time teenagers watch television increases their risk of becoming depressed as adults, researchers find.

Karen Kaplan
Los Angeles Times
February 3, 2009

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One hour here, two hours there, even fifteen minutes, it all adds up, and quickly too. Television is toxic to our self- esteem. In fact, 90% of television programs are a depressant. That leaves only 10% as a stimulant. With such a high percentage of negativity fueling the majority of this country television must play into the fact that anti- depressant consumption is doubling by the year. So, if you are wondering why you have low self-esteem, think about your television habits.

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No thanks.
Posted by: PJAW on Oct 9, 2009 4:27 AM   
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When I realized I was paying out $900 a year for the satellite and still not having access to much of the "premiere" programming, and I was routinely spending hours out of each day staring at a machine whose primary purpose is to suck the life out of me, I pulled the plug.

Nothing in this article is even close to inspiring me to return. And if this computer experience doesn't improve, I may kick it to the curb as well.

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Brain Numbing stupidity
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 9, 2009 4:27 AM   
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Your list includes show that aided in the dumbing down of Americans.
Not just that you missed every decent Political Pundit, but also all the great educational programming
My list
Olbermann
Maddow
Shultz
The News Hour
Bill Moyer
NOVA, Science NOW
Face The Nation
History Channel and Discovery Channel
Stewart & Colbert

Your article has absolutely nothing to do with being a Progressive. Instead it seems to be a list of shows to view to become as ignorant as the Far Right. Indoctrination into the Ignorant would have been a more appropriate title.
Please tell me what 'Insight' either MadMen or Sons of Anarchy will provide me. "Image is Everything"?? Regardless of how unethical- both are "cool".
what you are insinuating is that these shows depict some reality about such groups- That's stereotyping. Something Progressive Abhor!
You might as well have suggested Progressive watch old re runs of Hee Haw to understand the "folksy" voters.That's insulting to them and to progressives. Not to mention, that you clearly think it is Progressive who are 'Out of Touch with the mainstream'- Bullshit

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Cultural Vomit
Posted by: Farasien on Oct 9, 2009 4:37 AM   
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TV is usually the lowest common denominator in culture. Try watching a night of it if you find yourself to be too optimistic- it'll cure you really quickly. Between the self-deluded narcissism of 'reality' shows, complete idiocy of sports (this represents a whole level of idiocy that cultural anthropologists will be dissecting and pointing to as one of the reasons for the death of modern culture for centuries, if we manage to survive that long) the rehashed-to-death BS of sitcoms, the whitewashed news programs-both network and cable and others, its no wonder we live in a nation of morons run by corrupt companies and 'elected' whores, nd you'll notice I didn't even mention commercials! That's a whole other level of brainwashing...

TV is one of the main reasons we are living in the twilight of modern democracy. As the Roman nobility learned, if you 'entertain' someone well enough, they will ignore tyranny up to and including the point at which they starve. We all wonder why we find ourselves in the midst of chains... If we dared to wake up a moment and pay attention, you might notice that many are attached to the TV screen!

If you want to be entertained but stupid, by all means, suck the tit in your living room. I choose to be relevant and have a decent life instead.

But maybe that's just me.

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» No, it's not just you Posted by: clresu
Manufacturing Consent
Posted by: MicroGlyphics on Oct 9, 2009 4:43 AM   
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In Manufacturing Consent, Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky pointed out decades ago that TV distracts us from the real world along with other entertainment. Just finishing, Life Incorporated by Douglas Rushkoff makes me want to avert my eyes from this so-called culture even more. The satire of Fahrenheit 451 wasn't so far off, as we are zoning out on television and being taken for a ride the entire time.

I haven't watched any significant amount of television in years. I probably watched fewer than 8 hours of it last year, and most of that was in one sitting to take in the presidential election results and commentary as they happened.

On the advice of fiends, I have broken down to watch must see faire such as 24, 6 Feet Under, House, The Wire, or The Sopranos. Drivel, all of it. I am sure I'll watch some other television-driven entertainment on DVD in the future, but for now, I am glad I am not spending my time this way. I can get all of the culture I need and then some over the Internet and by communicating with humans, who are more than willing to fill me in on the latest episode of Heros or shoot me a link to the latest Jon Stewart or Glenn Beck rant. As for me, I'll take less cultural indoctrination in favour of living.

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Culture Criticism: Me and Mariska Hargitay
Posted by: goodsensecynic on Oct 9, 2009 4:53 AM   
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Culture criticism? Look for the worst not the best!

The entire "cop show" genre is exceptional, especially CSI in all its franchises, which mixes up-beat music (thank you, Pete Townsend) and almost futuristic forensic technology to analyze "trace" evidence and scientifically solve all the dastardly crimes in Las Vegas, Miami and New York. (I'm hoping for CSI: Davenport, Iowa ... perhaps starring a septuagenarian Donna Douglas as the crusty old agent Elly Mae Clampett, but that may take some time.) Meanwhile, light-hearted banter and a "humanized" Mossad agent allow the plucky agents at NCIS to catch bad guys including terrorists. All those wonderful (and sometimes slightly flawed) police officers and brilliant (though sometimes overzealous) Disrict Attorneys in the several Law and Order series (almost always) do the right thing. And, of course, the FBI agents in Criminal Minds quote banalities from philosophy and literature while getting into the heads of serial killers and capturing them just in time for the ultimate relief of the closing commercial.

In these reassuring ideological "memes," all the girls are hot and many of the boys are superstuds (after a fashion). Soft-porn (cleavage & crack) crime solvers combine to make Americans feel secure and snug in their beds (fantasizing about their local law enforcement heroes) ... especially Patrick Jane, The Mentalist whose acute powers of observation and seductive smile make the women in the audience go nuts!

Me? I shall lust after Mariska Hargitay until the last note of the Law and Order SVU theme (thank you, Dick Wolf) fades forever from the screen (or until the real FBI, under the cover of The Patriot Act smashes throught my door looking for leftist propaganda).

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Would a TV boycott work?
Posted by: Hailey on Oct 9, 2009 5:18 AM   
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I have thought recently that network news is so offbase and it devotes so little time to real issues that maybe the only real way to affect change would be to start a boycott of TV. To have people cancel their cable and satellite subscriptions as a way of protesting the lack of real news coverage. The press has an important job of keeping our government honest and too many times recently they have failed and failed miserably. The "news" is not simply taking notes at a press conference but asking relevant questions and followups. Any thoughts?

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» RE: Would a TV boycott work? Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Would a TV boycott work? YES, BUT Posted by: americansheep
Increased quality may be desparation move.
Posted by: Matamillion on Oct 9, 2009 5:44 AM   
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I have given up on TV in general. It's a damn tool.

The only reason they give you any quality programming at all is to keep you around for the commercials, but when they started putting these little (and I really mean BIG) vignettes in the corner, and then across the whole bottom, my knickers suddenly twisted into a ball! There's no escape except away from the thing!

You know why the Egyptians built the pyramids, why America was colonized, why Einstein discovered relativity?

NO TV

Which introduces the #1 paradox of our times...
TV never would have been developed had it already existed!

When an alien species arrives and tries to subjugate the human race, they'll find it's already done in about 90% of the developed world. The top rated programs will be My Alien The Car and Leave It To MMasquilt starring Foberiwjxn But[slkkf]!

Don't believe me? Ask Myth Busters!

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Didn't work, Vanessa
Posted by: art614 on Oct 9, 2009 5:49 AM   
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Your article had the wonderful effect of making me even happier (if that's possible) that I don't watch TV. Why would I ever want to keep up with a culture that's cynical, nihilistic, vacuous, bombastic, and on and on--when I could be (and am) creating my own nourishing life? Maybe you have so little self-identity that you need our "culture" to give you one (just what IS a "cultural critic" anyway?)--and that's fine, for you. But for you to claim anyone who doesn't join in is somehow being amiss, is laughable. Again, thanks for the favor.

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» RE: Didn't work, Vanessa Posted by: Haji54
Of course Michael Moore was right. Asking a progressive to challenge MM is like asking a...
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 9, 2009 5:55 AM   
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...progressive to stand up against the status quo., what with their love affair with Obama and his perpetual wars, perpetual debt, and turning the middle class into that of indentured servitude.

I thought Bush was an awful president, but just look at what his spawn is doing with what he began!

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Just like "go shop"
Posted by: Dee1276 on Oct 9, 2009 6:22 AM   
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This column makes me think of Bush urging us to go shopping after 9/11.

You want to get with the American scene? Eat a Big Mac or a Whopper. Go to church...preferably one where the preacher recognizes the evil of furriners and perverts among us.

Buy a God Bless America (and only America) bumper sticker and stick it on your Hummer.

Buy a semi-automatic and carry it with you to civic events...especially town meetings.

Stop thinking and start chanting.

Et tu AlterNet?

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» RE: Just like "go shop" Posted by: Haji54
T.V.
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 9, 2009 6:32 AM   
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"Watching TV means you get to learn about and have more informed conversations about politics, values, culture ... and relationships, sex, and drugs."

Please tell me that was sarcastic at best?! Infotainment and dumbing down the masses is really what's going on! Reality shows in which people are sleeping with or backstabbing each other - just watch Congress! Need a good laugh - watch Darth Chaney justifying why war & torture are good policy! Need to cry - just watch the Supreme Court as they dismantle and reinterpret cases to snatch back "our rights" as a society for the Corporate Oligarchy!

Don't get me wrong, occasional tv watching isn't a bad diversion! But Rome is burning, and now isn't necessarily the time to bury your head in the sand!

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» RE: T.V. Posted by: Haji54
FEW AMONGST THE MANY-- BE PICKY
Posted by: americansheep on Oct 9, 2009 6:35 AM   
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There are hundreds of theatres in my metro area, yet I have only 3 theatres I go to... not because they are in my neighborhood, but because they are the "art" type theatres that show the movies that the masses would not support in high numbers of attendance. My point is, as a leftist, I am selective in movies, seeking them out. Same with TV. Bill Moyers is the best thing on PBS, and I no longer watch the "News Hour", as I find it slanted, lacking and with hosts and "reporters" who do not ask penetrating questions, choosing to accept the status quo. Then there are shows on TV like "History Detectives", and Ken Burns series on the National Parks. Like with food choices--some choosing to eat junk food as others seek out healthier options-- one can seek out the good on the telly and when nothing of worth is on turn it off and listen to the radio. There again, being selective. Lucky duck me has a local community supported station (NOT talking about a PBS station) with progressive information, including "Democracy Now" without the picture. Pick and choose. I learn alot from what I SELECT to watch on TV, with RABBIT EARS only, which accentuate my pretty round face.

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mtcloud hit on my reason
Posted by: Ms. DuFontagne on Oct 9, 2009 6:46 AM   
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I don't watch TV because it makes me feel bad. And I think a lot of it is designed to do just that - especially the commercials - people who feel bad, or at least anxious, are very apt to go impulse-shopping. I'm convinced that the main purpose of commercials is not to sell a particular product, but to get people out to the stores. Packaging and product placement take over from there.

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How much different is TV from
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Oct 9, 2009 6:56 AM   
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alternet and/or all the other like sites which live only to attempt to shape others' thinking/inability to think to their own ulteriorally motivated and highly opinionated slants?

Alternet is every bit as full of bullshit rumor and innuendo as any TV news show, etc.

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TV = Transcendentally Vegetate
Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 9, 2009 7:11 AM   
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TV is just another way for those in power to force conformity on most of us.

I haven't watched TV -- except for the occasional glances at other people's houses or at the coffee shop -- in several years now. And with the digital switch-over, I definitely did not get a converter. And I won't bother getting cable or satellite either. I have better uses for my meager money than sending it to big rightwinger-run companies.

You can get all the info and entertainment you could ever want or need via the internet. (Dial-up for me is just fine. Just turn off graphics and Java, and the pages load quickly.)

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How many people have read the article?
Posted by: cordas on Oct 9, 2009 7:12 AM   
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Because many of the posts in this thread just seem to me to saying that the author sugar coated the pill far too much.... You lot don't come across as progressives, but as up tight idiots who are just as happy to throw the baby out with the bath water as the most obsessed right-wing nut.

No one is saying you should be sitting with your eyes glued to the box, no one is saying that everything put on TV is brilliant, no one is saying that every show and commercial is brimming with artistic merit and talent.

What is being said is that there are some real gems, there are shows that have their eye on current social affairs (things you might not be aware of), shows that are engaged in having a decent look at / investigation of what is going on at the moment (and in recent history), and that some of these shows are also damn entertaining.

The Wire is an in-depth study of drugs and the effect they have on all sides of the line. It has a hell of a lot to say about the implications of the 'war on drugs' and what that actually means to the people involved, the junkies, the criminals, the police, wider society, politics, education e.t.c.

Battlestar Galactica touched on a whole raft of issues that could be tied into 'the war on terror', and also discussions about power and abuse of power, mob rule and the rest.

True Blood throws light on racism and xenophobia/ patriotism and the darker side of it.

The thing is there is a ton of really good tv out there that taps directly into what is going on in society and is well worth watching.

Finally maybe if some self righteous smug gits stopped whinging that its all 'crap' and watched some of the better shows (many of which do attract acres of media coverage) then TV companies would make more of the decent stuff and less of the crap. Afterall one thing most of us are agreed on is that the TV companies will follow the ratings... More decent TV gets good ratings then more decent telly will get made....

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» The 'good shows' according to you Posted by: photon's feather
Watch crappy TV in order to understand righties? Is that it?
Posted by: LadyGargoyle on Oct 9, 2009 7:19 AM   
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I haven't cancelled my cable and unplugged my TV yet, but I probably should--I don't watch very much. I like Ed Schultz, news on BBC America or PBS, some of the better shows on History International, and Daily/Colbert, but I don't watch even them regularly. When the TV is on in my house, it is usually playing a rented movie, a documentary, or a Great Course from The Teaching Company (anything you want to know about the early Middle Ages in England?). So, what am I missing out on? How would watching the schlock that's on all channels all the time help me? Maybe Michael, and Vanessa by extension, is suggesting that we play anthropologist and study the "culture" of the average American, the better to deal with them politically. Pretty cynical, I'd say. And a waste of time--watching all this garbage won’t help me understand the righties any more than I do now, and will probably make me physically and spiritually sick in the bargain. And, it supports corporate media. Why would I want to do that?

I’ve tried to figure out why righties are the way they are for years, and I still can’t figure it out. Sometimes, I think humans branched at some point and the righty branch went off with extra aggression genes but fewer compassion genes (tongue firmly in cheek). Is it genetic, cultural (authoritarian-based), maybe hormonal, or psychological? I’ve tried talking to my righty friends – they are good people and I care for them. But I get to a certain point and it’s like we’re talking two different languages. I’m just getting tired of making the one-sided effort, that’s all.

And I don’t want to spend my precious time watching crap.

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Television Fails Culture
Posted by: beeden on Oct 9, 2009 7:18 AM   
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I had always thought that culture, in its many meanings, accorded the opportunity for the individual of participation to make changes, rather than the observation and discussion of others' ideas. This has always been the problem with television that it is a one way street (though you can now vote on American Idol and similar shows) in relation to viewers contributing to discussion of topics expressed on television shows. Too often, especially during the Bush years, television and those who controlled the media allowed significant life-affecting information to be distorted or dismissed, too often these same media have fed the general TV viewing public with a series of intentional untruths to perpetuate their stranglehold on power. Far from being a cultural significator they have deliberately foisted outmoded speakers upon the general public with the sole viewpoint of dividing communities as a power play and an invidious source of revenue. Whether the lives of the rich and famous and their indiscretions should be an overwhelming concern is a personal choice, but the many social issues that daily impinge upon peoples' lives never seems to be the issue with much of television programming. Perhaps that can be a relief, nonetheless a failure to make improvements upon these concerns is a cultural impoverishment that decimates communities and leaves many lives begging the question, what is "our" culture? I find the internet of far greater cultural significance, for allowing people to express their ideas in a variety of forums on all the issues that concern them about their place in society, allowing people to discuss and organise and make some of the changes that they wish to take place.

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kb
Posted by: KAB on Oct 9, 2009 7:24 AM   
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The essential TV show for understanding America is Judge Joe Brown.

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The major networks have some goods too
Posted by: jgrossnas on Oct 9, 2009 7:31 AM   
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What about 30 Rock, The Office and Fringe? All well scripted shows with memorable characters. Plus even though it's off the radar for now, Lost still has one season left and it will be fascinating to see what they do with the show now. Also for Sunday morning, Chris Matthews (who has a love/hate thing with Obama) and Stephanopoulos' show both definitely have their moments. 60 Minutes still does interesting stories too. Though I don't watch it enough, I'm always impressed by with The NEWSHOUR with Jim Lehrer (which is non-major network of course).

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I've said this before and I'll say it again.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 9, 2009 7:42 AM   
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Progressives and liberals need to take time away from the television and socialize a bit more. My wife and I felt happier together when we stopped watching the MSM. Sure, we'd watch our own movies and teleseries but sparingly so. Instead, we ended up being more progressive and less WIMPYcratic. No wonder the Progressive Independents on this site get called Republicans. I may say "white working class" as does Pat Buchanan but I have different uses for the phrase such as referring to working class issues while Buchanan refers to social issues. It's fun to watch TV and get your blood pressure raised but getting past the corporate media politics is what progressives and liberals need to do to win in the long run.

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I haven't watched tv for more than 2 decades
Posted by: wireup on Oct 9, 2009 7:43 AM   
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and I don't miss it for a minute. If there is something worthwhile on, it usually (eventually) makes it onto dvd and I'll watch it on that. But TV? When I was younger we used to call it the DUMB BOX and I can't honestly say it has changed, judging from what I've read about it online or heard people saying about it. Nope, I don't miss it!

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"Community" New series with humor + good writing
Posted by: progressivetype on Oct 9, 2009 7:56 AM   
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Air time has been changed, on before The Office now, watch the previous episodes online (nbc.com), John Oliver from the Daily Show also on it...my 16 year old son and I both watch (together, even more novel!)...I feel it has universal appeal. How come no one mentioned Reno 911? Well, if we are all going to blow up soon like the evangelical right is hoping for and Dick Cheney and Karl Rove are banking on, I want to at least laugh on my way there.

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Glee
Posted by: brer on Oct 9, 2009 7:57 AM   
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I have to admit that I only watched the first episode of "Glee." I found it cliched, poorly written, ridiculous, filled with tired jokes, full of gratuitous sexual inuendo, and boring.

I have heard from friends that all those things just got worse in succeeding episodes.

Besides "Glee," most of your other recommendations were from cable channels which I don't receive.

What progressives need is a few fair news programs. Even the morning shows are tipped toward the status quo and cheerleading for anything the big shots want to do. And the Sunday political shows normally have three to one conservative guests. It's very disheartening.

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Michael Moore
Posted by: ssbeeno on Oct 9, 2009 7:58 AM   
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Dude, Michael Moore is ALWAYS right. The guy is amazing. Fat, but still amazing.

Jiff
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Too long, didn't read.
Posted by: The_Lazy_Left on Oct 9, 2009 8:02 AM   
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blah blah blah.

Alternet should pay for quality, not quantity. Too many of these 3 or 6 page articles could simply be written in half the space.

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I have to agree with Celtic Tiger
Posted by: earth_saver on Oct 9, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Not including Breaking Bad is a major mistake. Most people have never heard of it I imagine since it is on AMC. However it makes you ask how far would you be willing to go for the thing that is most important to you - your family. Also makes you wonder when is what you are doing for them enough - when is it time to stop? I find myself frequently talking to the lead character (Walt) and urging him to take some action or to beg him not to do what he is thinking about doing. If you can get the first and second seasons (if its out yet?) on dvd by all means do it.

And for the person that hates commercials - DVR. I watch very little that hasn't been recorded so I can skip past the commercials and reduce the length of a one hour show by as much as 20 minutes.

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Somebody slap this stupid bitch, please
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 9, 2009 8:16 AM   
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Progressives need to watch sitcoms and reality shows to educate themselves? We need to watch shows that debase our morals because they debase our morals? We need to watch shows that mock representative government because they mock representative government? We need to watch shows that glorify senseless violence, megalomaniac greed, superficial obsessions because that's what they do? Oh, and incidentally, there might be something on that Letterman/Colbert show. Honestly, of all the idiotic, counterproductive, anti-intellectual, and brazenly anti-progressive crap that Alternet has posted, this has got to be the worst I have seen in a long time. Vanessa Richmond, whoever the fuck you think you are, you need to find another way to make a living, because, as a journalist, YOU TOTALLY SUCK!

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» 'tis a fair cop Posted by: leafsong1
» No, don't stop! Posted by: countingdaisies
The Great Dream.....
Posted by: RickW on Oct 9, 2009 8:17 AM   
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....of the 50's for TV was as a new and revolutionary teaching tool.

Then the Great Hope for the computer was as a new and revolutionary teaching tool.

Going back in history, likewise the great hope of the Gutenberg press and the mass production of books was the above mantra "revolutionary teaching tool".

Instead, all have become diversions and facile distractions, as "The Man" in all instances realized just how dangerous to "the proper way of things" a highly and independently educated population would be.

So books become dime novels, radio becomes The Green Hornet, TV becomes Survivor: Samoa, and computers become Facebook..........

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» RE: The Great Dream..... Posted by: sandy55
» RE: The Great Dream..... Posted by: RickW
It's rare when Medium is well done.
Posted by: Cybershaman on Oct 9, 2009 8:26 AM   
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I watch shows that inform me. Science channel, PBS, History channel even though the conservative bias is omni-present. Yet I still find myself watching the crap the wife and kids want to watch. Is there really ANY appeal, to a male viewer, in the show "Say Yes To The Dress"?

Anyway, I think Micheal Moore was upset because 'TV Nation' was canceled. It was a great show.

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Who will tell them how to think?
Posted by: ohb0b on Oct 9, 2009 8:29 AM   
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Last year, when the networks were going all digital, there were actually bills being considered in Congress to pay for conversion boxes for those who couldn't afford them. If people don't watch television, who will tell them how to think?

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haji54
Posted by: Haji54 on Oct 9, 2009 8:31 AM   
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This artikle was very useful and topical to the day.Although there has been quite a decomposition of quality in TV programming it is still an important part of our common culture.There are shows on both network and especially PBS that still feed the world of Ideas and enrich the human spirit.The eagle the symbol of our country is a bird with two wings.Both wings are needed to fly.The Left and the Right both are outlooks that have legitamacy. I may prefer one side over the other but they are not definative, static poles but moving currents in the flow of the human experience of Life.Both the many and the few are needed in this cooperative effort.

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Sorry...
Posted by: BCcovers on Oct 9, 2009 8:41 AM   
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but to be totally honest with you, a great deal of my knowledge base has been formed through the information I have garnered from watching TV. Do I read? absolutely, probably more than the average person (4 hours plus a day). I have also learned a great deal from my education.

However, nowhere have I been able to be entertained and, at the same time, absorb so much information in a clear, quick, and concise manner. Do you want to learn about The Titanic? You can either read a book for two days or watch an hour show on the History channel. It's your choice, but I think those who ignore TV (and the next step for these luddites is no internet) do themselves and their knowledge base a great disservice by not tuning in. Granted I am simply talking about raw knowledge, not philosophy or self-exploration.

Perhaps it is simply my choice of programming (usually either educational, informative programming or sports) and the fact that I have a great memory that makes me such a fan of TV. But I routinely trounce, non-TV having, book-reading progressives when we play Jeopardy at my local bar. After running a few categories people usually ask me why I am so good at Jeopardy. I love to respond: "I watch a lot of television". I either get a laugh or a look of astonishment.

To each their own, but there is a great deal of information at your fingertips by tuning into the right programming. Anything from geopolitical events to the maiting habits of zebras can be learned and accessed in a conicise and expediant manner.

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» I forgot about Jeopardy Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: I forgot about Jeopardy Posted by: BCcovers
The problem with TV
Posted by: 2dogarage on Oct 9, 2009 8:44 AM   
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...is that discussing the latest plots, actors etc. is what now passes for meaningful conversation among the passive masses who leave the thing on the entire day and/or night and get their "cultural" programming from them, essentially creating a cultural vacuum.

The commercials are especially damaging, they are pure lies that create what has now become an epidemic of cognitive dissonance whereby we become perfectly content with being lied to and lose the ability to distinguish between what is true and what isn't. As well they foster a "culture" of materialism that insists that we simply aren't good enough unless we own every toy and gadget that the Joneses are in debt up to the hilt for.

I'm not saying that we don't need relaxing relief from the stressful complexities of life in this fast-paced world but I for one don't feel the need to check into what the dumbed-down masses are thinking. It's time for progressives to lead the people out of this shadow existence by refusing to accept this interpretation of the fabric of "culture" as reality in favor of more contemplative and educational diversions, not to mention healthier activities, that foster an appreciation for nature among other things, as well as our own individual strengths and talents.

Hooray and too bad this article is just choir practice for Alternet readers, I know a few TV watchers I'd like to encourage to snap out of it. I just wonder who paid this writer to promote television, perhaps the pharmaceutical cabal whose commercials for poison posing as cures for whatever they try to convince us ails us. Got one for TV-Butt guys? How about Brain Drain or Excessive Gullibility?

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» Exactly Posted by: finch
9 Shows does not make TV worth watching
Posted by: finch on Oct 9, 2009 9:07 AM   
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sorry, if only 9 shows are worth watching... count me out.

For every good show we could probably name 10 terrible ones

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To each his/her own but...
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Oct 9, 2009 9:14 AM   
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You couldn't pay me enough to watch any of the stupid "reality" shows. Ugh! Of the ones the author listed, I watch only one: Letterman's show, and he used to have a lot more "bite" before his heart surgery. Since then, he has been pretty tame, for the most part. I don't care about his dalliances with his staff: no one has suggested they were anything but consensual, and he was single at the time. His wife may have a different perspective, and I'm sure she has informed him about it!

Basically, I enjoy crime dramas, such as "Law & Order" (all 3 versions), CSI and CSI: NY (hate CSI Miami), "The Mentalist", "Cold Case", "Criminal Minds", "The Closer", "NCIS" (but not NCIS: LA...too much action, not enough plot), and so on. I also enjoy good documentaries in science, history, etc., so I have been appalled at the History Channel's going more to a tabloid or reality-show format in the last 2 or 3 years. I used to watch History far more than network TV shows, but not now. What have "Pawn Wars" or "Ice Road Truckers" to do with history anyway? Junk TV, IMO.

Although that I enjoyed the "free" season of "Dexter" that CBS carried during the writer's strike, I still can't justify the expense of a pay channel for one show. I'll have to wait for the DVD version.

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FRINGE,
Posted by: sirios on Oct 9, 2009 9:29 AM   
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very cool!

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Mad Men is not better than the Wire!
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 9, 2009 9:52 AM   
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nuff said.

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Classist? I hope not.
Posted by: Parcival01 on Oct 9, 2009 10:01 AM   
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I was what one may call a television addict until I was 17. Then I was in a nearly fatal automobile accident and got stuck in the hospital for some time where all I could do was watch the tube.

It was like being given an overdose to get over a drug! I realized that the sitcoms are written by a bunch of 11 year olds. Nearly all of them then used the same site gags and idiotic humor used by "I Love Lucy." And most still do! Ahd daytime TV is sacreligious, and has gotten substantially worse since then!

Then there's the class issue. Have you noted how people live on those shows? As Paul Krugman pointed out on Bill Maher recently (Yes, I DO watch a little HBO!), he was watching one of the popular sitcoms in which one character works for UPS. In real life, Krugman pointed out, the guy couldn't afford a third of the place he lives in on the sitcom.

(Truth be told, "All in the Family" got me back into TV years after as it's the first sitcom that actually took some brains to write!)

Well, that was a long time ago. But I still quiver when I think of watching anything on the tube. "West Wing" got my attention, but the ads!

I hope I'm not classist, but it'll take more than the appeal of an article such as this to get me back into the TV realm.

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» RE: Classist? I hope not. Posted by: DaBear
Sorry, but ...
Posted by: tmercadal on Oct 9, 2009 10:41 AM   
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persuasive as your arguments seem to be, TV just bores the bejeesus out of me. I'd rather a good book, magazines, going to a pub with friends after work, or the theater, popping a film in the DVD player or whatever else ...

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» how refreshing Posted by: Shey
I'm really surprised no one has mentioned...
Posted by: truthteller on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 AM   
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...The best network drama of the past 20 years "The West Wing". Makes you realize what a Presidency could really be (aside from the overly-Zionist leaning plot lines). Currently re-running on Bravo on weekday mornings, I still get insights and learn things from the brilliance of Aaron Sorkin's writing, plus the contributions of his replacements in the last 3 seasons. Richly deserving of it's 27 EMMY Awards (tied with "Hill Street Blues" for most ever), including Best Drama series for the first 4 seasons, and Allison Janney's 4 EMMY's for her role as WH Press Secretary/Chief of Staff C. J. Cregg. Well worth buying the box set if you can't catch the reruns.

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seriously
Posted by: bocephus on Oct 9, 2009 11:19 AM   
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good greif! those shows are pretentious, predictable garbage. here's some good ones:

breaking bad
californication
Kimmel
frontline
two and a half men ( i know, silly, but sharp)

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Um, yeeaaahhh..... no. Sorry, Vanessa, you just don't get it.
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 9, 2009 11:46 AM   
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When I don't watch, it IS in FACT because I don't have time.

However, I'll grant you there ARE other reasons: •cannot afford cable, and
•I live in a "dark zone" where there's no broadcast reception

When I do watch (I write reviews for the pennies offered--money is money), I watch certain specific TV shows online or I watch films via Netflix (because I can't afford the theater fees). I do this mostly at night when I cannot fall asleep from being overworked or whilst cooking and cleaning for the horde.

See, Vanessa, some of us, a whole of us in fact, aren't owning/upper class people who have leisure time. Some of us really are too busy. Most of us who still manage to sneak in a show or two DO NOT have the snooty anti-TV attitudes you ignorantly claim ALL of us possess.

Most of life DOES NOT in fact take place in the owning-class consciousness or compass. Most of it takes place in far dirtier places and is lived by mostly we-who-are-unwashed.

If you're a progressive, Vanessa, time to climb down off the high horse and the ivory tower.

Can you tell I was offended by the entire piece.

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The problem with TV isn't the TV, its the ads
Posted by: leftneck on Oct 9, 2009 11:57 AM   
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There's lots of television out there worth watching; the question is whether its worth the mental trauma that is watching advertisements.

Also, watch Breaking Bad!

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Channeling
Posted by: inprov73 on Oct 9, 2009 12:38 PM   
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The best is The History Channel, something no politician will ever watch. They just keep waiting for it to repeat itself.

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» RE: Channeling Posted by: Dickinseattl
'Have to seperate "Culture" from ideological propaganda
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Oct 9, 2009 12:47 PM   
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I agree there is much to enjoy on TV, even on Right of center ABC (CIA Dir. Wm Casey's old network he bought up with his Capcities to shut up Peter Jennings editorials on Iran/Contra - See: CTKA Media section) and their "History Channel", if you're knowledgeable enough to sort through the very effective spin and propaganda there. (I'm convinced they even started a whole series with the main intention of countering Oliver Stones very accurate docudramas with their Establishment reverse spin.) But of course the news (all that's fit for you to hear so we can better exploit you) is where the real propaganda begins. It's so bad many today go to the comedy channel just to hear better informed commedians offer up the issues of the day in an accurate perspective. Of course, the movie industry, particularly the TV dramas like "24", are now part of this Big Money (owners) Establishment political spin, and not just from FOX. Review the 1976 movie "Network" for an accurate analysis of what our media and, as a consequence, what we have become. More accurate today than when it was written. Note also that this includes all our corporate media and their owners and sponsors. (It was the political editorial side of the NYT with Tom Wicker that first attacked Stone's "JFK" in the movie review section, six months befoe it's release, a paper with a long history of first covering up this CIA sponsored assassination, whose publisher, Arthur Sultzberger was a known CIA asset like so many media publishers in the '50's and 60's, if not long after the Church Committee reforms.)

It is this background and the consequent media's Republican friendly performance (See FAIR and Media Matters) that have appropriately turned the politically aware and Progressives against our media including it's TV offerings where the lowest common denominator seems to be their goal. This would also include most of NPR and PBS. Truly the days of Edward R. Morrow and his career were short lived, and all together absent today. Those who wander too far past the corporate parameters are quickly yanked back on their leashes or terminated. Remember Phil Donohue, the top rated host yanked for his truthfullness on the war. Politics is intimately related to culture and our media culture not only stinks but is in fact criminal.

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Reality TV? Talk Shows? You have GOT to be kidding!
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Oct 9, 2009 12:50 PM   
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I watch TV, but only through DVDs, either rentals or from my own extensive collection.
I have no outside TV connection; no antenna, cable or satelite. My tastes are extremely broad and eclectic.

I am no longer a passive consumer. I have taken responsibility for my own entertainment and the "information" that comes into my home. I get my news from several diverse print sources as well as NPR. No Fox, no CNN,no MSNBC; no Limbaugh, no Beck, Hanity or Dobbs--no Olberman or Maddow either. Absolutely NO "reality TV" (decadent sh**) or dull, worthless late-night talk shows (complete waste of my time).

If there's a TV series that sounds interesting, I'll rent it, and watch it at the time of my own choosing.

I am no longer annoyed by the constant barrage of brainless, highly repetitive commericals or idiotic "local news and weather." No program interruptions if there's a thunderstorm bearing down on a town of 27 people 200 miles away. If somebody calls, I've got pause and rewind.

I watch about two hours of TV a night. Otherwise I have my composing, writing, reading, and hobbies to pursue. I don't miss commercial TV one tiny bit.

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Almost 20 years without TV
Posted by: camanokat on Oct 9, 2009 1:32 PM   
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In 1990 I moved from L.A. to an island in WA state. We could only get very fuzzy reception from a station in Vancouver, so I just stopped watching TV.

Last winter hubby decided he needed to watch sports at home instead of spending $$ at a tavern, so we got satellite (still can't get cable where we live).

What a shock!! I spent about a month watching everything I could..the Animal Planet, Discovery, Top Chef and Chopped, cartoons, dramas...you name it.

After that month, I realized just how BORING TV is, and how annoying to be interrupted with all the ads.

I'm back to no TV, maybe a movie once a month from the video store. I don't miss it a bit.

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Television...
Posted by: zeus fiction on Oct 9, 2009 1:36 PM   
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the drug of the Nation...breeding ignorance and feeding radiation
(Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy)

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Posted In The UK
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 2:24 PM   
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opmoc - 9 Oct'09 - 21:29 - 4840 of 4840 edit

I think I may have got The Americans Going About Obama's Nobel Peace Prize...

No They Didn't Delete What I Said About The French - They Just Made The Entire Story Disappear

And Replaced it With Michael Moore...

Now Where The Fuck Did It Go?

I'm sure its hiding somewhere?

Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize, His "Extraordinary" Diplomatic Efforts Cited


I relinked the interesting story to its replacement, but I think only a small percentage of Americans have yet to work out how to recognise a link and press the left mouse button.

We really can't let them have Gary McKinnon

They will stick him in Jail and Torture Him For Showing Them What Stupid Cunts Their Military Are

They Couldn't Run a Secure Website in a Brewery

Tony

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Mostly Education, with a dash of Entertainment.
Posted by: hedgewytch on Oct 9, 2009 3:10 PM   
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I lived without TV and Internet for a few years. Only had a rural TV channel which would show programing from local networks, but would change channels for unexplicable reasons. You'd be watching a movie, then boom, you're watching tennis. Finally got Dish Network, which I LOVE! Just the basic package with local networks to see local news.

I mostly watch programming such as Antiques Roadshow, Nova - Science Now!, No Reservations, Daily Show, and PBS educational shows for my kid. I don't get MSNBC so I have to download segments of Rachel Maddow.

Guilty pleasures are So You Think You Can Dance, Iron Chef, and (I'm almost ashamed to admit) America's Top Model (its like watching a spider on the ceiling).

I hardly ever watch the regular networks unless its for the local news, but I've really been enjoying Glee, and I loved Mental, which they finished up last season. Maybe they'll bring it back??

I try to limit both my own and my child's viewing times to just a few hours a day. Like today, no TV this afternoon; he's watching an educational DVD about ancient Egypt and drawing pictures of mummies and I'm grooving to Santana.

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Forget it Mike!
Posted by: GuyCybershy on Oct 9, 2009 3:19 PM   
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PBS on friday nights is all the tv anone needs. That and a healthy dose of TCM once in a while.

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» RE: Forget it Mike! Posted by: Shey
Nice Pretty Dollars to Trade
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 9, 2009 3:35 PM   
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If anyone is gullible enough to start watching t.v. because of this article, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a dollar to trade with a yuan!

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» RE: Nice Pretty Dollars to Trade Posted by: countingdaisies
I SO Miss "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman"
Posted by: suetiggers on Oct 9, 2009 3:38 PM   
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Nothing has come close in many years to the wild, wonderful comedy of "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman" Once you've had a taste of that zany, extraordinarily witty stuff, your comedic taste buds will never be satisfied with the paltry stuff we've been fed since.
And Craig Ferguson blows Letterman, Jay,etc. out of the water !

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People who don't turn their TV(s) off
Posted by: clresu on Oct 9, 2009 3:49 PM   
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I mistakenly moved in with a woman who left her TVs (two of them) on almost all the time: one in the kitchen, one in the bedroom. (I was desperate for a place to stay and hadn't even consider such a possibility.) At any rate, I realized that the one qualification that had to be for me to live with one was that they either not watch any TV or close to it. I moved out in less than three months.

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My name is Earl
Posted by: Cooltruth on Oct 9, 2009 3:51 PM   
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That show is at least as good as anything else new on the TV. Think it was on Fox. It's one of the new shows on TV. The worst things on TV are those half hour yappathons where they're trying to get you to pull out your credit card & buy something they feel the need to hawk for half an hour.

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paradox: the best are cartoons
Posted by: davidg on Oct 9, 2009 4:33 PM   
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An odd thing about American TV is that the most penetrating satire is in animated cartoons. Such a paradox. You have to appeal to the child to get to the adult. Odd culture, really odd. South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons and some others. I watch very occasionally...you see, I'd rather read. Odd, perhaps, but it's me.

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I've never had a TV, because it never interested me.
Posted by: reykr on Oct 9, 2009 4:46 PM   
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I've never owned a TV in my life. As a result, I probably haven't seen more than two dozen political ads in my entire life.

I think it was 1957, when I read, in an article in "Harper's," that some people watching television, when friends came to visit, ignored the friends and continued watching TV. "How unsociable!" I thought.

See my blog, for more information:

http://reykr.livejournal.com/

Jerry Baker

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The Wire
Posted by: Ev on Oct 9, 2009 5:54 PM   
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After becoming completely uncharacteristically hooked on The Wire (my wife and I watched the DVD's, not while it was on the air) I was delighted to hear the creator, David Simon, during an interview say that he wasn't himself really a fan of TV and rarely watched it. That's the kind of TV I like!

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My 21 Year Old Son Is a Rabid Capitalist
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 6:28 PM   
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The Mobile Phone Reception When I Was Speaking From The Underground in Athens - After I Had Been Robbed Was Completely Crystal Clear. I immediately got through to my bank - and said I had been robbed and could they immediately cancel my bank card - and the English girl was really nice - I asked was it also possible for her to arrange to cancel my Credit Card with an American Bank. And she said - no I can't do that for you - you will need to do that yourself. I said thanks ever so much for your help - is there any chance you could find their telephone number...And She was Completely Brilliant - she said I will have to go onto the internet - and do a google search - and I know how incredibly difficult it is to find a phone number for an American bank - they all want you to it online - and don't give their phone numbers away easily.. But she was wonderful and found it in less than 60 seconds.... So I phoned the American Bank up - and cancelled my Credit Card - and The Reception was Brilliant - and They Were Great - cancelled it immediately and I had a new card within a couple of days of getting home....

So how come I get Perfect Mobile Phone Reception From The Underground In Athens - and Now in My Own Home - when I speak to my Daughter Every Other Word is Cut Out - and It is Almost Impossible To Understand What She is Saying...

And So She Phones Me back on our Landline and The Reception is Crystal Clear...

Is Some Cunt Dumping Loads of ElectroMagnetic Radiation In Our House...

And I wander in My Sons Almost Always Locked Bedroom - After He Got a Phone call from one of His Girlfriends - and he left it unlocked...

And I looked at all this kit and thought

What The Fucking Hell Is He Doing With That?

And So I switched His Bedroom Off from The Master Switch


I Think His Business Is Booming. He Operates His Business From Two Data Centres in The UK and One in Houston Texas...

And he obviously had a New Order - cos he was waiting for New Parts to Arrive in Both The North and South of England (Delivery Times in Lancashire Are Phenomenal - Amazingly Quick)

And So He Had Been Warning All His Customers Who Hadn't Paid Their Bills...

He Arrived in The Data Centre - and Phoned Them All Up...

It Is Quite Simple...

You Either PAY YOUR BILL NOW

You TRANSFER THE MONEY INTO MY ACCOUNT NOW - and You Have Got 30 Minutes...

Or I Will PHYSICALLY DISCONNECT YOUR SERVERS

Absolutely Loads of Bills Got Paid Immediately...

A Total of 6 Servers Physically Disconnected and Currently In Our Home

They Can All Be Reconnected at a Cost

No Data Has Yet Been Deleted

My Son Is Running a Business - Not a Charity..

He is Not a Soft Soppy Liberal Like Me

He Provides a Service

If You Want It You Pay For It

Tony

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Progressives don't watch enough TV?
Posted by: jimmyaj on Oct 9, 2009 6:42 PM   
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By extension, one might suppose that "conservatives", at least, the cracker element, watch too much TV.

My wife controls the remote and watches stuff that is so stupid it makes me puke. Silence is better than most of what is out there to watch.

In another decade or two, after peak oil and peak energy have hit and climate change has destroyed most of what is now "habitable", we'll be back to entertaining ourselves like we did for thousands of years.

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TV is why Americans are so stupid.
Posted by: ronniejw on Oct 9, 2009 7:00 PM   
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I would have to rate reading this article right along with watching stupid TV shows as a waste of my time. TV is why Americans are so stupid.

Ronnie Wright
World Change Cafe

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Paddy Chayefsky
Posted by: meldada on Oct 9, 2009 7:15 PM   
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"The only truth you know is what you get over this tube. This tube is the gospel. the ultimate revelation. this tube is the most awesome goddam force in the whole godless world and woe to us if it falls into the hands of the wrong people. television is not the truth. television is a goddamned amusement park, a circus a carnival...you are beginning to believe the illusions we are spinning here. you’re beginning to believe the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal. you do! whatever the tube tells you! you dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your childrens like the tube, you even think like the tube. this is madness. we are the illusions here!" - written by Paddy Chayefsky from the film,Network.

I get chills every time I read that monologue. "Woe to us if it falls into the wrong hands"-Rupert Murdoch, the Armaments Industry like GE and, Boeing-what a joke Boeing advertises 'Meet the Press" or a Westinghouse that owns ABC. Color me a snob but I dislike TV intensely.

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Really?
Posted by: zola77 on Oct 9, 2009 7:38 PM   
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Seriously?

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» RE: really? Posted by: meldada
TV has its uses
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 9, 2009 8:50 PM   
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I'm another person who didn't have a TV for about 30 years, and was quite content.

But about 10 years ago, I realized that my understanding of the world / science had stopped around the time I graduated from college in 1977. So I got a satellite hookup with DVR and started watching TV pretty seriously.

The nonfiction channels are fabulous -- like good seminars in their educational effect, but SO easy. I would love to hire the people at the History Channel to cover the complicated issues of current events -- they are spectacularly good at making complex topics comprehensible without dumbing them down too badly.

Olbermann, Maddow, and Stuart are lifelines, and msnbc's The Ed Show has some amazing moments, mostly in the plain speaking he startles out of his bigwig guests.

FreeSpeech TV and LINK TV air news shows from other countries, Amy Goodman, world music, and most of the serious progressive thinking of our time, including all the big documentaries.

It's too easy to dismiss fiction and drama as fluff, but they reach the brain differently than nonfiction does, bypassing a lot of the critical faculties -- they are significant because of it. I also found the author's choices of dramatic shows strange, but there are some quality dramas, most of which come and go erratically. Here's a partial list of my faves:

Monk (OCD as "a blessing and a curse")
The Closer (a cop show starring a real, complex woman)
Saving Grace (ditto)
New Tricks (PBS) (old age and cunning, British-style)
Easy Money (about a family that runs a payday loan shop!)
Eureka (life in a planned town of super-geniuses)
Burn Notice (an ex-spy re-enters normal life)
Royal Pains (the underside of the super-rich)
Reaper (where's Hell's branch office? the DMV, of course)
Leverage (Robin Hood for the new millennium)

I also once watched an episode of "24", and immediately understood why the far right -- both the monsters and the stooges -- seemed to be coming from a totally different reality than me -- they were living in "24"-land. I think, if we are ever going to salvage the poisoned parts of the electorate, somebody on our side is going to have to understand the toxic brew they've been steeping in, in order to come up with a similarly-delivered antidote.

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No Deathbed Regrets
Posted by: Collielady on Oct 9, 2009 10:44 PM   
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I didn't grow up watching TV, other than an hour or two per week that was allowed as "a treat". It bored me then and it bores me now, watching others rather than doing things myself.

There's so much I want to do in my life and in the end, don't want to regret having spent any of it watching TV.

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What about Desperate Housewives?
Posted by: HoboHomo on Oct 10, 2009 12:06 AM   
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I just love Desperate Housewives...so much fun! And let's bring back Futurama. My cyborg heart broke when that show was cancelled.

Oh yeah, and thank gawd for hulu.com...I've never had cable or satellite TV. Now, thanks to hulu (and similar online TV services) I can see what I've been missing. Not that I can afford broadband...but what with free public wifi and a cheapazoid netbook, I'm set for life!

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Actually, watching TV on the Internet is different ... at least for now
Posted by: brasscupcakes on Oct 10, 2009 9:31 AM   
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Actually, watching TV on the Internet is different ... at least for now.
The difference is, no instant on, no remote control, no TV-in-every-room.
Watching on the Internet takes some intention,and the intention is actually yours -- not your mate's, not your child's, not your roommate's.
While we initially ditched cable for economic reasons, freed from the TV IV, we won't go back.
I don't know that it's improved our minds, but leisure's much more fun when you decide what to make of it rather than defaulting to the remote.
And then -- having made your decision -- no more irritating contagion from second-hand TV drifting in from the next room.
Oh, bliss!
And the continued omnipresence of enforced TV in places one cannot avoid such as doctor's offices ensures that you continue to appreciate it.

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Less Entertaining
Posted by: Thomas Dooley on Oct 10, 2009 12:06 PM   
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There are just too many commercials on TV and the commercial breaks are much too long. Their numbers and overt manipulation makes TV just so damn hard to watch. Painful.

I never made any purposeful decision to watch less TV. It just got less amusing and less interesting to the point where I don't think of it as a pastime anymore. I find a lot of it is surprisingly annoying rather than amusing.

At its base TV is suppose to be a form of entertainment. Being irritated by commercial after commercial or revolted by the unrelenting promotions or by the programming itself isn't entertaining to me. It's like I'm being worked over rather than entertained.

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honestly....
Posted by: dj spellchecka on Oct 10, 2009 1:12 PM   
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i don't watch tv except during football season, and haven't for a few years now..[my tv is currently "dark" as i haven't bothered with a converter.....]the internet is much more worth my time

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Watching TV
Posted by: peker on Oct 10, 2009 6:24 PM   
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Watching TV,the most important things to people.State leaders should know more about opinion of the vpeople through watching TV .
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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 10, 2009 9:04 PM   
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Michael Moore was wrong this time. People of this country--who are far from the only Americans, after all, there are "three" American continents full of us--U.S. Americans, watch plenty of television. They just don't watch the right kind. Most of it is probably sports. Next most is probably the silly comedy shows. They don't even watch a respectful amount of good drama. So what do you expect? They watch more than enough television, just not right, informative kind. And that is only one reason our electorate is so abysmally illiterate about politics and government. Their apathy precedes and follows that, surrounds it.

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Craig Ferguson
Posted by: genius on Oct 11, 2009 12:55 AM   
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His is the one can't miss show for me. I have several other favorites but nothing compares to The Late Late Show.
You could spend hours on YouTube viewing the videos there. Check them out and enjoy.

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TV is extremely educational and entertaining.
Posted by: TerryS on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 AM   
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TV is extremely educational and entertaining.

By being so entertaining, television is actually
rewarding the viewer over and over and over again
for sitting still and being silent.

In other words, TV is teaching passivity.

TV also teaches that the most important qualities
a person can have are: good looks, and wittiness.
And that money and entertainment are the highest
values.

Defenders of TV point out that TV is no different
than any other form of communication or art.
But the "formal features" of TV do effect the
brain, making TV watching (from a neurological
standpoint) a very different experience than
watching a play or reading a novel.

http://www.tvsmarter.com/documents/brainwaves.html

Also, for the question of TV versus reading, see:

http://www.tvsmarter.com/documents/reading.html

P.S. the best anti-tv book out there is
"Amusing Ourselves to Death" by Neil Postman

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Michael Moore is right!
Posted by: chorton on Oct 11, 2009 9:29 AM   
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Michael, you rock!

I rarely watch TV, but I get roommates that do and I drop in. It's important. Progressive politics is about talking to, organizing and working with "ordinary" people - neighbors, fellow workers, going door to door for a progressive candidate or organizing an issue group around foreclosures or the need for a health clinic or whatever. They watch TV. We need to establish our relationships with them. A little knowledge of what they are watching goes a long way.

For example, watching reality cop shows, I finally got it. The roommates I joined in watching them all know from their own lives that cops lie, cheat, manufacture evidence, screw up and screw people over. Yet the shows give a real-time, "you are there", vicarious experience of a world where the cops are always right and justified, the suspects always stupid and contemptible, the evidence always brilliant and water-tight. Watching these shows enough to get that insight allows me to understand and explain to the successful efforts of a local organizer to stop them from filming one of these shows in our town. I had heard and could repeat his reasons. Now I get it and can talk about it from my guts. His reason was that when they hear that one of these shows is coming, cops start practicing acting more and more provocatively to get suspects to do something stupid that will justify subduing them violently on TV.

Other examples abound.

It would be a great day when people switched off their TV's. If all the TV transmission mediums failed for a few weeks, which could only happen really if the electrical grid failed, and people actually stopped watching that drivel and started talking to each other and discovering what each other actually think, we would probably have a revolution - the real views and feelings of Americans are that far out of line with the media-induced fantasy world in which everyone else apparently is a dummy!

But that won't happen, and the best we can do is get people talking back to their TV's, out loud and publicly, and breaking free from the illusion that it reflects reality. And we can't do that if we aren't watching.

In the meantime the more people who can get out to watch Moore's new movie the better. How come we never see them on AMC or TCM? Any guesses?

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» RE: Michael Moore is right! Posted by: Alan Smithee
Hers's one thing you won't hear on TV
Posted by: cori on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM   
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Senate Panel Extends Controversial Patriot Act Provisions. Look at the names below and ask yourself if these are the representatives you want working for you?

The Senate Judiciary Committee narrowly passed a bill Thursday to extend several controversial provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the counterterrorism law hastily drafted in the aftermath of 9/11.
Senators who voted in favor of the bill are:
Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont
Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin
Dianne Feinstein, D-California
Chuck Schumer, D-New York
Benjamin Cardin, D-Maryland
Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island
Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota
Ted Kaufman, D-Delaware
Al Franken, D-Minnesota
Jon Kyl, R-Arizona
John Cornyn, R-Texas
Those who voted no:
Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin
Dick Durbin, D-Illinois
Arlen Specter, D-Pennsylvania
Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama
Orin Hatch, R-Utah
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa
Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina
Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma
Read more on Truthout

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While TV shows exploit people lives that are being destroyed in prison
Posted by: cori on Oct 11, 2009 4:07 PM   
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Wall St and big Pharma and the health insurance companies are taking over and destorying any crumb of Democracy we may have left. Putting ten's of millions of lives at risk. It's odd people are marching for gay marriage but not for the Public Option? They just past 128 Billion dollar military budget and now max Baucus wants to tax the middle class for health care.

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How bout LINK TV and Current TV
Posted by: dingham on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 AM   
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are on DirecTV and on par with PBS. I live in an isolated area, 25 miles to a WalMart and a MaCD's. Who needs culture if ya got 200 channels? I know it's bad for me, but that idiot box aka Boob Tube is on if my wife is awake. We TIVO our favs and never watch live so we can FForward thru the innane, and terribly loud commercials.

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Don't be fooled the point of TV is still to sell advertising
Posted by: xuzi on Oct 12, 2009 5:12 PM   
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I don't know why Michael Moore said that a decade ago -- Vanessa doesn't explain the context at all. Looking at things today, he might rethink.

I stopped watching TV in 1998. (No I'm not tuning in on Hulu. Yes, I did watch Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives the first couple of seasons -- to see if I could get into TV again -- but didn't take to it.)

The reason I stopped was to hear my own voice -- a voice that was really me, a conscious voice. I stopped to discern the difference between what I thought, felt and understood and what was being told to me by corporations preying on our insecurities and ego to make money.

Seriously, Mafia families, serial killings, cop procedurals investigating gruesome murders while joking about it? This is "entertainment"? Americas Next Top Model is catty and demeaning and props up the emaciated modeling world where abuse of young women is rampant. American Idol makes laughing stocks of people giving it their best shot. And while enduring this, you're bombarded by advertisements telling you you're not enough as you are -- you need to spend money.

While I have seen good writing and good characters on TV -- I don't deny that 24 keeps you on the edge of your seat -- I tell you, spend any real time away from TV and you are shocked when you come back by how much of it reflects the basest, pettiest, meanest, cattiest aspects of human existence. On the whole, I'm far better off without it, and I don't doubt you would be too, if you tried it.

Let's be clear, the business of television -- its business model -- remains advertising, not programming. The programming is aimed to attract susceptible people in a certain demographic so they can sell time to advertisers.

Who is advertising on TV? That should give you another reason to turn it off. Pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies are huge advertisers. Whose side, therefore, do you think the TV corps are on? I'm not going to support industries pouring enormous monies into denying healthcare to 48 million people, stopping campaign finance reform, or otherwise derailing the other progressive causes I support. Tell me, why should I? I see plenty of evidence of the cultural problems reinforced by television every day in my neighborhood as I walk to the grocery store. I don't need to watch TV to get that -- I get it looking at their faces.

Television may turn itself around as the advertising drops and viewership drops. It may be forced to change the cultural themes from humanity's lowest instincts to our highest ones, as large segments of the population get more and more turned off by the ads and the message. Or as the only companies still standing with advertising dollars are conscious ones rather than plunderers. I hope so. When that happens, come and find me.

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The Soup
Posted by: ClassAct on Oct 13, 2009 7:53 AM   
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The Soup is the only TV series I watch because it shows me the awful moments I missed on the shows I don't watch. I find myself wondering all the time who is expected to be the audience for such bizarre antics.
My favorite TV series of all time was Mystery Science Theater 3000 (MST3K), and I collect the series on CD and watch one every weekend.

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Watch commercial TV for informed discussions? Hah! What a joke!
Posted by: MindyB on Oct 13, 2009 2:59 PM   
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I am sorry but this article seems more like a joke than anything that should be taken seriously. One does not have to watch the garbage that is shown on mainstream TV to 'in touch' with today's cutlure or politics or anything else. If one wants to live in total ignorance of the facts in our world, then I say, sure, go ahead and flood your brain with mindless garbage.
I don't have cable, satellite, fios or any other paid system of tv garbage enhancement. I do have one tv, with an antennae and now a digital converter, and I only watch the public channels, pbs and MINDtv (which has news feeds from all over the world and give more factual information, even about the U.S. than any U.S. based main tream media). I never watch the network channels because they are full of garbage, they promote everything that is bad in our society (selfishness, greed, twisted ideas about sexuality, prejudice, racism, homophobia, lack of empathy or sympathy, classism, intolerance of any difference), the "news" is a joke. There is not "news", what they do is perform a parody of a news report, while they brainwash people into believing their biased twisted opinion of the issues. Every report is tainted with their own bias and prejudice, they aim to control the populace by means of deception and lies.
If one is not a hermit, one does not need TV to be informed on our culture, trends, or values. No, commercial TV is total and absolute garbage, andit serves absolutely no good purpose for society. It is junk food for the mind, it will eventually kill you (well, at least you mind).

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Don't be too sure
Posted by: SusanMcGee on Oct 13, 2009 10:19 PM   
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You know what?
Our family doesn't watch television.
We don't have cable.
We don't watch television on Netflix.

You're wrong.

There are a lot of people like us who don't want to deal with commercials that tell us to "buy, buy, buy" or with MOST of the shows that are cynical, obscene, disgusting or stupid.

No thanks.

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Not in My home
Posted by: Kirc Zame on Oct 14, 2009 12:15 PM   
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Letting television into your home is equivalent to running the waste stack of a coal fired electrical plant through your living room window.

A hot toxic blast that withers.........

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I am a classist.
Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM   
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And you and your culture can fuck off and die. Go read a real progressive, like Harlan Ellison. He knew TV was corporate schlock back in the fucking 1960s.

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This article is riduculous
Posted by: cultureindustries on Oct 16, 2009 12:37 PM   
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The very list of shows in this series demonstrates continued cluelessness. All of the shows being extolled are what might be termed "good" television. That is, they can be judged by conventional literary standards of plot, characterization, videography, etc. That's middlebrow hooey. Where are the sociological truths being garnered about so-called Real America from programs like America's Got Talent, The Jerry Springer Show, The Apprentice & WWF? That's what Michael Moore means when he says liberals don't watch enough TV. The point isn't to remake the vast wasteland into another insipid bourgeois art form, but to "get down" what it offers in all its ugly beauty.

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Okay, I Watched Some TV...
Posted by: Bezukhov on Oct 16, 2009 8:55 PM   
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...and I DO understand American culture better now. Enough to know I don’t want to watch any more TV. Suggestion for next series: how health nuts need to chow down on more fast food.

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