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As If Limbaugh and Beck Weren't Bad Enough, the Granddaddy of Hate Radio Is Back on the Air
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Here's a talk radio riddle: What do Glenn Beck's recent radio meltdown and the ongoing boycott against his television show have in common?
Answer: Both find echo and inspiration in the career of Bob Grant, the granddaddy of conservative hate radio who this week announced his return to New York's 77 WABC for one last go-around. Starting September 13, the frail octogenarian will host a Sunday show between noon and 2 p.m.
It's hard not to wonder if Grant's return to terrestrial radio is a bid to reclaim his identity. Not only has Glenn Beck borrowed Grant's two trademark catch phrases—"Get off my phone!" and "Sick, twisted freak"—this month Beck even reprised Grant's former role as the tallest whipping post for organized liberal outrage.
When colorofchange.org launched a campaign on August 4 targeting Beck's sponsors after he called the president a "racist" who hates "the white culture," the organization followed a path first blazed by Bob Grant's opponents during the mid-90s. It was then, on the cusp of the Internet age, that Grant became the first conservative broadcaster to trigger a sustained campaign against him with incendiary racial rhetoric. That campaign contributed to the eventual firing of Grant from WABC in 1996. It also made him a martyr for an entire generation of conservative talkers.
Grant was not the first conservative broadcasting firebrand. That distinction falls to Grant's mentor, Joe Pyne, a tough-talking one-legged ex-Marine who built a radio and tv career during the 50s and 60s on screeds against liberals and hippies, famously telling many of them to "go gargle with razor blades." But the bluster was largely an act. "Pyne was all shtick, a total gimmick," Larry King, who knew Pyne, has said. "He'd make fun of his guests and then go to dinner with them."
Grant's politics were less gimmicky. He studied Pyne closely while the two worked together in Los Angeles during the 1960s. In 1970, the year of his mentor's death, Grant relocated to New York. It was a propitious cultural moment for Grant's snarling Nixonian worldview. He arrived on the heels of the infamous "hard hat riot" on Wall Street, where 200 construction workers injured dozens in an attack on a student antiwar protest. Upon hearing the news, Nixon famously exclaimed, "Thank God for the hard hats!"
And thank God for Bob Grant, Nixon might have added. Grant's show became New York's megaphone for blue-collar white rage. He railed against the welfare state and slammed liberal politicians, peppering his insults with earthy southern Italian slang. He called blacks "sub-humans" and "savages" and invoked an earlier New York that never existed, "where everyone spoke English."
During his first months in New York, Grant's anger at the world around him was compounded by the fact that he despised the city and yearned to return to California. He found New York loud, filthy, and too crowded with non-whites and immigrants. Grant would later write that he hated New York so much that he "subconsciously wanted to get fired." Toward that end, Grant cranked up the hate in every direction. "I was becoming irascible on the air. Argumentative. Feisty. Impatient with the callers… I didn't care what anybody thought of me or my manners… I was telling people off left and right."
By the time New York started to grow on Grant, he realized something: not only had his spitfire persona failed to get him canned, his ratings were through the roof. So he kept up the act. For the next three decades, Grant's vitriolic rants against liberals and immigrants, originally fueled by self-hatred and disgust with New York, would inspire the next (and currently dominant) generation of conservative talkers. This includes Sean Hannity, who listened to Grant in Long Island during the 1970s, to Glenn Beck, who listened to him in New Haven during the early 1990s.
Grant's power and influence peaked during a 12-year run on WABC that straddled the Reagan and Clinton eras. Between 1984 and 1996, The Bob Grant Show owned the city's afternoon-drive slot. More than just a local media celebrity, Grant emerged as something of a conservative kingmaker in regional politics. With a huge following among the tri-state area's white working class, he was sometimes credited with swinging close elections. Dozens of gracious politicians and candidates called Grant's show to kiss his ring. The list includes presidents, senators, governors, and mayors. Rudy Giuliani was a frequent guest, who chuckled along with Grant when the host referred to Giuliani's black predecessor, David Dinkins, as "the men's room attendant at the 21 Club."
Then, in 1994, Grant learned that the world had changed on him. His years of dumping on blacks and immigrants had generated quietly mounting opposition. Unbeknown to Grant, angry listeners had begun recording his shows and passing the most incriminating tapes to journalists and media watchdogs like the New York-based Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), founded by Jeff Cohen in 1986. Seemingly out of nowhere, Grant's vast archive of bile was thrown back in his face in the form of a coordinated campaign that he would later describe without irony as a "low-tech lynching."
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 24, 2009 12:23 AM
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It is the same old duopoly strategy that the Powers That Be have used on the general public since forever ...
It's the rightfully reviled Right Wing Crazies vs. the sane and sober Obama Plan.
Unfortunately the Obama Plan is the crony corporate plan ... fascism light ... rewarding the Military Industrial Complex, Big Ag and Health Care Inc.
For the latest details on "health care reform" read this:
Insurers Set To Reap Financial Windfall From Health Care Reform
"Consumer advocates argue that a lower government minimum might quickly become the industry standard, placing a greater financial burden on patients and their families.
"These are a bad deal for consumers," said J. Robert Hunter, a former Texas insurance commissioner who works with the Consumer Federation of America.
Meanwhile, companies would probably see a benefit by providing less insurance "per premium dollar," Hunter said.
"It would be quite a windfall," said Wendell Potter, a former executive at Cigna insurance company who has become an industry whistle-blower."
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The public is once again being played ... Corporations will once again reap another windfall ...
They don't want to reform media, playing on public owned airwaves, because it suits their purpose of a big smokescreen for their looting.
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» RE: So Where is Obama's FCC ? Where's the Plan to Confront Hate Speech?
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» Obama does not plan to confront hate speech. He is sending in his own paid PR trolls into these
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» They're busy stifling progressive/liberal dissent.
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» Axelrod gets a woody
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» You people have nothing. If hate speech was dealt with, you'd be silenced. Most of you sound no
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» Another demonstration of the breadth and depth of your stupidity, wing-nut?
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» RE: So Where is Obama's FCC ? Where's the Plan to Confront Hate Speech?
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» Factcheck.org: Obama--born in the USA.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Aug 24, 2009 3:20 AM
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The Right have been spewing their bilge into the airways 24-7 for the last 20 years...and there are more Democrats than ever. We should welcome Bob back as a friend.
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» small minority?
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» Actually, most "Americans" did not vote at all
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» Let's do the math, shall we?
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» I forgot to mention...
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Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 24, 2009 4:26 AM
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http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=Democrat+wasted
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» RIGHT THIS MINUTE I AM SCREAMING AT JOE THE SHMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Posted by: robchapman on Aug 24, 2009 4:30 AM
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Alternet, please stop wasting our time with articles about such trivialities.
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Posted by: Longdream on Aug 24, 2009 4:32 AM
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 24, 2009 4:53 AM
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Because American media is ignorant, hate filled, bigotry.
Now, most Americans are moderate, liberal, and reasonable. But you'll rarely see these people working in media or elected to office. The divide between what Americans are, think, and feel, is not reflected in the media and sure as fuck isn't what moves Washington. What I mean is; rather like the massive gap between rich and poor there is also a giant gap between what Washington and the media say is relevant and what the majority of Americans say.
In a nation where only people like Glen Beck qualify as 'real Americans' one has to wonder just how much the mainstream establishment hates the rest of us.
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» RE: Americans are ignorant, hate filled, bigots.
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» RE: Americans are ignorant, hate filled, bigots.
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» RE: Americans are ignorant, hate filled, bigots.
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» 'show me who you walk with
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» Never mind dithered. He's AlterNet's local version of National Socialist lite.
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» RE: With whom do you refer to?
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Posted by: melpol on Aug 24, 2009 5:03 AM
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Posted by: xvictor on Aug 24, 2009 5:28 AM
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It was clear, in any event, that racism played a major role in his defeat of Dinkins.
imo, the city was worse off with Giuliani.
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» can't he be both?
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» Former four-time Alabama Governor George Wallace was a "politically pandering racist"
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Posted by: dianedp on Aug 24, 2009 5:36 AM
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Who owns this station?
And how long do we give him before we start the campaign to get him off the air.
AND we need to include Beck and Limbaugh this time too.
Let people pay to hear their garbage. They can have their own town meetings and charge for the privilege of hearing hate spewed into their breathing space. I like my air free from hate and lies.
Keep the pressure on the advertisers.
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» RE: Lets get rid of all of them this time...
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» Take back MSM/PBS/NPR
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» The US "news" media had "integrity" prior to 911?
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» RE: The US "news" media had "integrity" prior to 911?
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» Project this: No, I'm not a "progressive", I'm a LIBERAL.
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» Clearly I've touched a nerve.
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» Nice job of avoiding my argument.
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» Dude, you've got issues....
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» No, you have issues, charlatan.
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» RE: "Dude, you've got issues...." Yes he does...and MANY of the posters here would agree.
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» That's because talking to you is like talking to a goat.
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» Thanks for proving my point Bill.
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» When did I claim that we've ever "debated"?
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» Still working on that reading comprehension thing?
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» Here's another example of your ignorance.
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» RE: Here's another example of your ignorance.
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» If you want dogma, look no further than the 911 "truthers".
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» Get a grip man...not everyone who critically questions the attacks on 9/11 are "truthers".
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» Nice rationalization, Quist.
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» Nice misdirection, ignorance, and spin, Bill.
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» The Urban dictionary did a fine job of defining "truther".
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» Actually...it is always a good idea to avoid GuitarBill or his fallacious arguments because...
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» Caught you lying again, "Quist".
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» Nice job of avoiding my argument.
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» ...because you have NO argument...as usual.
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» There you go, changing the subject again. Why not admit that I caught you lying?
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» Actually, how is changing my mind lying?
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» How many times did you say, "...I'm putting you on ignore"? A dozen, or more?
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» Oh Bill...before you say anything else ridiculous, I am done with this discussion...
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» Excuse me, @$$, you're the one who started this altercation, not me.
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» Oh Bill..... There is no hope for you.
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» A sonnet for Fencerider.
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» You are a fake and a plagiarist....
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» I never said I wrote it.
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» What is an Internet Troll/ Forum troll? AlterNet's posting board has a problem with trolls.
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» Only one problem, Quist. I've been here for years. You on the other hand...
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» One last word:
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» I suppose the same could be said for you.
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Posted by: Moonray on Aug 24, 2009 5:42 AM
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Obama needs to instruct the FCC to begin monitoring fining and shutting down these outlets. It's not a question of restricting free speech; it's simply a matter of counting the number of blatant lies and bogus "facts" being broadcast, then issuing the proper punishment. The conservative tub-thumpers would file lawsuits, but let them. The Supreme Court should be in no hurry to hear the cases.
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» Axelrod laughs in our face
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Aug 24, 2009 6:27 AM
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When he later went back to talk radio in the Seventies after earning a law degree as a liberal he found positions hard to come by. On one radio station the management would not let him host as show without a conservative co-host to keep him in line. One of his co-hosts at the time was the station's leading sports announcer who was notably ignorant on all the issues except sports!
My friend has, to this day, a hate letter from the then-CEO of a major grocery store chain to the station manager threatening to pull all advertising if "that young Communist" was not fired. Shortly thereafter he gave management a reason to fire him.
He was fired for shouting "Sieg Heil" in response to a caller who answered in the affirmative to his question, "If the government ordered you to push Jews into ovens would you do it?"
He is retiring from his legal practice now but talk radio is his true love and calling. However he had only sporadic success as a liberal talker. He has told me he has toyed with going back into talk radio as a conservative, but knows his heart would not be in it.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 24, 2009 6:44 AM
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At least Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity pretend not to be racists.
Who the hell in their right minds are going to sponsor him? Would you buy a dessert topping from Bob Grant? Not me, baby, no way. An insecticide, yes, but nothing edible.
Hush! Hush! Sweet Sarah!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» Good one.....
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» GOD BLESS YOU TOM DEGAN!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 24, 2009 7:02 AM
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Where is the FCC, MIA perhaps? The FCC which has not had teeth due to underfunding and the continued installation of Corporate hacks that refuse to do their real jobs unless it goes against what the Oligarchy wants! These loud-mouthed know nothings excite the masses of their followers to violence, even as these right wingers are promoting a Corporate Agenda that doesn't include the very people they are co-opting to the cause!
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Posted by: the director on Aug 24, 2009 7:28 AM
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1984 speaks to the Pig in those who listen.
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» The myth makers start in hollywood
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» Never mind dithered. He's AlterNet's local version of National Socialist lite.
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» Just another stupid ad hominem attack from GB.
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» Defending an anti-Semite now, Quist?
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» Blah, blah, blah...I am not DEFENDING anyone William.
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» Projecting again, Quist?
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» RE: I remember their types
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Posted by: Midway54 on Aug 24, 2009 7:36 AM
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The plutocrats who own and control the military-industrial-media-governmental-judicial complex are determined to destroy any effort to undermine their happy position at the top of the income pyramid,incessantly grasping all the wealth for themselves, waving flags and exhorting all the rest of us to work hard, to enjoy our absolute freedom to fend for ourselves in all circumstances, and to keep government out of our personal lives as well as out of the American-way of the free, unfettered corporate market--- that sanctum sanctorum of our Gilded Age II.
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 24, 2009 8:17 AM
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It's no mistake "talk" radio has become a propoganda tool for right wingnuts to hypnotize those with limited mentalities, and that fox noise is part of an illegal monopoly, owned by an Australian scumbag, who obtained American citizenship under false pretenses. This was brought about over the years through crooked politics and a deliberate and illegal takeover of OUR airwaves. They belong to US, remember?
Reversing this situation is as easy as replacing neocon crooks in the FCC, reestablishing the authority of our anti-trust laws, and seizing murdoch's illegal empire and tossing his sorry ass out of our country. This can all be done with a minimum of fuss and within the law.
All we need are those in Washington, from the President on down to act in OUR behalf for a change. They need to be encouraged and pestered on a daily basis for this to happen. We all know they wouldn't do a goddam thing without pressure from ordinary citizens
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Posted by: Chris Kaufmann on Aug 24, 2009 8:18 AM
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» You miss the point...
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» RE: You miss the point...
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» Yeah, go kill an innocent deer, that'll make you feel better.
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» RE: I hate rightwingers too but I don't waste time listening to them.
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» RE: Its not a waste of time
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Posted by: JSquercia on Aug 24, 2009 8:20 AM
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As final insult to those wanting a semblance of balance Kuby was told NOT to broadcast for the remainder of the shows contract .
This was nothing more than a right wing Corporation imposing its will to deny an opposing Voice Period!
We need to revisit the ownership rules and possibly reinstate the dreaded Fairness Doctrine . Ever notice that Rush NEVER has an Opposing point of view on his show . He screens his callers and on the rare occasion
a liberal slips through he challenges their identity as being Bogus . I heard one instance where he kept accusing the caller of not being who he said he was : Screaming at him "Tell us WHO you REALLY are " and finally cutting him off BECAUSE he would NOT identify himself . Sean Hannity got rid of his liberal punching bag .
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Posted by: bh on Aug 24, 2009 8:27 AM
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» Yup....
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» Because the "Blue Dogs" aren't "democrats", they're Republicans.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 24, 2009 8:35 AM
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Repug males fear equality in competition and cry everytime they lose a special priviledge.
Rush is terrified and Beck is Hyterical.
They have no confidence in their own gender or race to compete if the deck is not pre stacked in their favor.
Terrified by the prospects of a 'Wise Latina' as an associate SCOTUS judge?Why, don't they think the White male Cheif Justice and the other white males of the court can subdue, or defeat, her? She will ultimatley decide all cases,single handedly,and they will be powerless against her?
Someone is attributing some horrendous powers to a Minority and admitting their belief of weakness in the 'majority'.
Why do they think so little of themselves and the other members of their cohort Group? What else could it be causing this irradic behavior but Fear and Self Loathing?
Rush quivers in fear like a jello mold and Beck Cries like a lil girl. Not attributes indicative of confidence or high regard for ones own groups abilities.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Aug 24, 2009 8:55 AM
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"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
If your rhetorical enemy is so vile, so stupid and ignorant, so ridiculous, why do you want him silenced? Isn't he proof of everything you might say against your conservative political enemies? Doesn't your need to silence him betray something concerning the character of your own opinion?
It does for me.
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» Missed the point, you did.
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» RE: Missed the point, you did.
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» RE: And here, the well-reasoned, temperate Left . . .
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» PS....
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Posted by: Gerald on Aug 24, 2009 9:20 AM
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I wonder whether his loyal listeners would be so loyal if they were required to publicly register that they are fans?
If he and his ilk were assigned to write a new pledge of allegiance. I wonder which items it would have? One shutters at the thought.
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Posted by: pfm on Aug 24, 2009 1:05 PM
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The vitriolic rhetoric spewed on this vital conversation respecting providing health care for Americans is as deafening as it is energy draining. Might it be possible for us to turn off this suffocating confluence of sound allowing us time and opportunity to digest and from that place draw some initial rational observations…?
Reverberating though throughout this health insurance dialogues is the proverb … it is always darkest before the dawn … for me a clear indication when we are facing prolonged difficulties this saying can help us to keep going that bit longer. Until the very end the “noise-machines” will churn-out at ever increasing decibel levels information of all color, degree, type, true, false all screaming for our attention.
There is a positive moral to this story … as there are many stories of last minute success when people have been on the point of giving up … that’s the point … don’t ever give up HOPE.
Respectfully,
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Aug 24, 2009 1:39 PM
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WE DON'T BUY FROM HATERS, and
WE DON'T RE-ELECT HATERS.
AND WE REJECT THOSE WHO PROFIT FROM DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, EVEN IF THEY OWN THE GOV'T:
INSURANCE COMPANIES
MERCENARIES (Bechtel, KBR, Blackwater)
WALL STREET
OIL COMPANIES
They have sabotaged their own ships with their greed and indifference... LET 'EM SINK
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM
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REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 24, 2009 5:41 PM
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» RE: We have plenty of parties, its the system that keeps them out
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Posted by: Nodarse on Aug 24, 2009 7:56 PM
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But the dirty little secret about boycotts is that they don't change the minds fans. Which in the case of Limbaugh and the rest is legion.
Is the point of all this boycotting to change public opinion in a progressive way, or is it just to feel good about yourself because you did "something"?
Those Fans are still out there, and they still vote. A successful boycott only entrenches a fanatics belief system. As progressives, we have the bad habit of only preaching to the choir.
Real progress means turning a non-Progressive "ON" to the merits of our values.
That's the only noble challenge we have. The rest is PR bullshit.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 25, 2009 2:12 AM
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and if the darkened hours
of despair overcome me, may I
not forget the strength
that comforted me in the
desolation of other times. May I
still remember the bright
hours that found me walking
over the silent hills of my
childhood, or dreaming on the
margin of a quiet river,
when a light glowed within me,
and I promised my early God
to have courage amid the
tempests of the changing years.
Spare me from bitterness
and from the sharp passions of
unguarded moments. May
I not forget that poverty and
riches are of the spirit.
Though the world know me not,
may my thoughts and actions
be such as shall keep me friendly
with myself. Lift my eyes
from the earth, and let me not
forget the uses of the stars.
Forbid that I should judge others
lest I condemn myself.
Let me not follow the clamor or
the world, but walk calmly
in my path. Give me a few friends
who will love me for what
I am; and keep ever burning
before my vagrant steps
the kindly light of hope. And
though age and infirmity overtake
me, and I come not within
sight of the castle of my dreams,
teach me still to be thankful
for life, and for time's olden
memories that are good and
sweet; and may the evening's
twilight find me gentle still.
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» RE: A PRAYER by Max Ehrmann, [and what an asshole, PLEASE FUCK OFF!
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Posted by: reelman on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 AM
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Do we not have liberal (secular socialist) radio talk shows?
Do we not have the freedom to listen or not?
Get over it..the selling of angry unhappy secular socialism is tough and sooo negative people just avoid it...like this silly crybaby article from a person sure to defend free speech when it suits them.
What a waste of time and effort...way too many articles like this on this smear and cry Forum.
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Posted by: tatamchwh on Aug 26, 2009 1:21 PM
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Aug 26, 2009 4:36 PM
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I have to admit I have rarely caught any Air America-- why waste left wing time that I could be listening to NPR.
And sometimes I listen to the Savage Limbaugh stuff-- you have to keep track of what the enemy is saying or you lose your chance to answer it, right? (oops sorry, left?) And I listen to Michael Medved, and sometimes Prager (the prediger, even though I'm a treetheist myself).
I was sorry someone (above) crudely cursed out the poet, Ehrmann, whose long series of lines was refreshing amid the mean battling, and yes I read his entire thing.
I also listen to serious long-form music (misnamed "classy/cool" by those who despise it) even while feeling guilty about letting the debate rage unheeded and losing my place in line to refute the assholes.
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