Home
Archive
Newsletters
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise

Whatever Happened to Progressive Talk Radio? Did Air America Kiss it Good Bye?

By Cynthia Lowen, AlterNet. Posted August 10, 2009.


We need a progressive antidote to Limbaugh, Savage and Beck. Yet Air America Radio seems to have gone in a different direction.
Advertisement
Upcoming AlterNet stories on Digg

When Air America announced that Montel Williams would be the second émigré from the television talk show circuit to appear in the prime nine a.m. to noon slot originally occupied by Unfiltered (hosted by Rachel Maddow, Chuck D and Lizz Winstead) many across the blogosphere shared the sentiment of itsrobert, who wrote on DemocraticUnderground.com: "Montel Williams? Air America just keeps getting worse."

In June, the network had Montel Across America broadcasting live at America's Future Now, the largest annual conference of progressive activists and leaders in the country.

From his table in "radio row," located next to Thom Hartmann's -- who was named Top Progressive Talker this year by Talkers Magazine -- the newest member of the Air America family had an interesting perspective on his foray into progressive radio:

I don't know if ‘progressive' is necessarily the moniker that should be hung on the show. We are independent. We are independent and unfiltered. And I think there's a difference because progressive seems to denote a new party. And I have no party affiliation whatsoever in this world. I was a Republican, you know, my background is a little different. I did 22 years in the military, I did 17 years as a television personality, and through that period of time I was a motivational speaker also helping people blend what Dick Cheney just realized is empathy and conservatism together. I walked away from the Republican party, I'm now an Independent, I'm a registered Independent, I vote that way, and that's what I really want to see this format of radio become: the home of inclusive thought. I'm a home for as many voices as we can reach.

If Montel Williams is any indication, Air America may have as many lives as a cat. The network's most recent incarnation could be traced to the spring of 2008 when Charlie Kireker, former Vermont government official, investor and creator of Pendulum Media, purchased the network from real estate mogul Stephen L. Green, the brother of NYC politico Mark Green (who served as the network's president). Kireker went on to hire Bennett Zier as CEO, a former executive vice president at Clear Channel. Zier helped direct the merger of several radio stations into what would become Clear Channel Communications in 1994. At the same time Kireker brought on Zier, he also introduced another Clear Channel alum, Bill Hess, to top management as senior vice president of programming. Prior to joining Air America, Hess handled various programming and management responsibilities for four Washington, DC stations.

While Zier and Hess may be very qualified, it does seem odd that the two leaders brought in to run the new "progressive" AAR were associated with the company that symbolized for progressives the worst excesses of media deregulation. With the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which radically deregulated media ownership and the number of stations any one broadcaster could own in a particular market, Clear Channel went on a buying spree. By 2000, the media conglomerate would own over 1,200 stations -- gaining the indignant ire of media reformers. By 2006, however, with ratings and revenues plateauing, Clear Channel was sold off to Bain Capital and Thomas H. Lee Partners, and the company agreed to trim off more than one-third of its radio stations and all of its television stations.

What is Progressive Talk Radio, Anyway?

"Progressive radio has a real opportunity right now to continue to define and re-define itself with the most recent election," says Zier. "We see progressive media as really moving into the mainstream and being more welcoming and having an opportunity to have more listeners based upon the mood and the feel and the direction of the country."

It's true that this moment in American history provides a unique opportunity for progressive media. A recent study by Center for American Progress Senior Fellow John Halpin and Karl Agne shows a 25-point increase from 2004 to 2009 in Americans who view the progressive label favorably. A majority of Americans favor progressive approaches to education, the environment, business, energy, regulation and international affairs.

Why then, at such an opportune moment, would "the nation's leading progressive media network" turn to hosts such as Montel Williams, who seem anxious to distance themselves from progressivism? Strangely, at the same time that Air America appears to be shifting away from progressivism, MSNBC, a truly mainstream outlet, is reorienting in a progressive direction. The cable network's progressive bent has yielded great ratings thanks to hosts like Rachel Maddow, whose career was launched by Air America.

According to Laura Flanders, who currently hosts GRITtv and was a member of Air America's original lineup with The Laura Flanders Show and subsequently, RadioNation, "Rising unemployment, rising resentment at the super rich, a liberal controlled Congress: there's never been a better time for forthright, truth-talking voices for radical change that would outflank Obama from the left as Limbaugh and Hannity outflanked the GOP leadership for two decades. Even if AAR plans to move to a less radio-based and more web-based model, Montel Williams' content just won't cut it. It won't stand out in the crowd and it'll keep AAR at best limping along, nothing better."


Digg!    Share on facebook   submit to reddit    Bookmark on Delicious   Stumble This  

See more stories tagged with: air america, rachel maddow, montel williams

Cynthia Lowen is a documentary film producer, writer and poet living in Brooklyn, New York.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from Media and Technology! Sign up now »


Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
It's a great big country
Posted by: talkville on Aug 10, 2009 12:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Until simultaneous attention is paid to all those areas and regions across the country categorized as 'rural', and yet today still more accessible to those "left-behind" technologies like "crude" AM-band radio stations and "translator stations" and the like, much will remain much the same -- it is areas and regions like these that overwhelmingly support those hard-to-reach listeners that are in dire need of alternative points of view and ideas.

One cannot gage the ideological state of the country in accord with the "state-of-the-art" technologies available. A vast number of people still do without these, by necessity or choice.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: It's a great big country Posted by: weightman
» RE: It's a great big country Posted by: talkville
» RE: It's a great big country Posted by: talkville
We need a progressive antidote?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We had a pretty good one in Air America radio until they self-destructed. They fired Randi Rhodes for unfortunate comments she made - not on the air - but off.

Then they got rid of Thom Hartmann, one of the most brilliant people ever to sit behind a microphone.

The old gray mayor she ain't what she used to be, that's for damned sure. Pity.

www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan

Goshen, NY

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» It's about the numbers Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: It's about the numbers Posted by: EJLima
» RE: It's about the numbers Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: It's about the numbers Posted by: Libsrule
» RE: There you go again... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: It's about the numbers Posted by: Quannah
» RE: It's about the numbers Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: It's about the numbers Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
Glen Beck rhymes with Hen Peck!
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Aug 10, 2009 1:27 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Makes sense and says so much...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

We tend to have jobs where we can't listen to radio all day
Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Aug 10, 2009 2:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The reason there's so much DAYTIME right-wing talk radio is most of their audience is (a) retired or (b) have the kind of driving (alone) jobs where they can listen to talk radio.

No offense to traveling salesmen and long-distance truckers - I know there are some progressives in the bunch - but most of those with the driving jobs are amenable to the conservative talk schtik. (And not necessarily the message as opposed to the schtik: I know someone who drives a lot during the day who just finds some of those shows kind of entertaining. He votes Democratic.)

If you listen to Rush Limbaugh on occasion just to see what he's up to - as I do on occasion - the commercials are interesting. It's apparent that much of his audience right now is in financial distress and the commercials reflect that: debt relief agencies and the like.

Progressives tend to have jobs where we couldn't listen to radio all day, even if we wanted to. And when we have jobs where we might have the radio on - with customers around - it would be a music station (less and less likely nowadays with new options to radio).

Not complicated when you think about it.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Yes and no Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
There is a LOT of progressive radio out there
Posted by: shellius on Aug 10, 2009 2:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Air American said goodbye to liberalism a long time ago and I haven't listened since. AA isn't part of it anymore, but there is plenty of progressive radio and most of it's online. Try Mikemalloy.com. The Jeff Farias show. Try the tons of progressive, liberal podcasts. There are hundreds of them. Green 960 is great -- and you can get Thom Hartmann through them as a podcast. Also Futurism Now Radio (environmental topics) Radio Ecoshock (environment and financial) and HeadonRadio with Bob Kincaid (general politics)! There are a LOT of liberal voices out there on every progressive topic you can imagine. I stick to podcasts these days because it's easier to find them and not miss anything when you subscribe. Also, many if not most are totally free. Let's not forget the most progressive and useful news show there is, Democracy Now!

Give up on AA, who needs them!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Tune out and tune in
Posted by: billslm on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've listened to Air America Radio from the first few weeks of broadcast. Randi Rhodes was a revelation to me. I loved it when she hit against the right and hit hard. But Randi lost me when she began to treat callers badly. It is hard enough to work up the courage to call in, but then to be talked down to--- and/or to be ridiculed or insulted or otherwise abused --- Nah! Thanks anyway. The more strident on-air she got, the less interested in listening I got.

So Randi went away. But KPOJ in Portland still carried her. Now that she is back on AAR afternoons, she seems to have gotten ahold of herself. Once again, I enjoy listening to her show. Aside from an abrasive personality, she has more up to the minute insider information than most. Don't get me wrong, sometimes Randi's hard edged personality is very appropriate. After all, she does her homework.

Ed Schultz is good, and smart, but finally, too middle of the road for my taste.

Totally adored Rachel Maddow from the git go.

Ron Reagan is another one of my favorites. I like that he is politically the opposite of his father and I like the fact that he is quite open about being gay. And that he is warm and welcoming with his callers.

Ron Kuby was so not my dish of tea.

I love Mike Malloy at night for his insights and his anger. Malloy's show is where I first learned about the treasonous history of what Malloy calls The Bush Crime Family. KPOJ still carries him and I am happy about that.

One thing about AAR that bugs the hell out of me is that no matter when I turn the radio on, day or night, they are always in the middle of a commercial. As far as I can tell, they now have five minutes of content to every ten minutes of advertising. In itself, so much commercial time is a tune-out factor for me. These days, when I turn on the car radio (and it is always set on Air America at 6:20 AM,) if there is a commercial on when I turn it on, I have begun to switch to an FM classical music station. 20-30 minutes of music at a time and then only as much talking as needed to announce the piece, the performer and the composer.

Now that I know that the AAR execs are only interested in advertising dollars and don't give a crap what kind of content, I will be far more selective about listening to AAR.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: penstamen
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: Smackback
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: djmirk
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: billslm
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: Cathy
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Voices in my head! Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: Voices in my head! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Voices in my head! Posted by: J_Mo
» Tune In Online Posted by: IntlDad
» RE: Tune out and tune in Posted by: Comrade C
The good old days
Posted by: brilliantatbreakfast on Aug 10, 2009 2:47 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When I think back on the original Air America lineup, I could just cry. From March 31, 2004, when Al Franken first signedon at noon, you could turn on the radio to the New York "flagship" station and leave it there all day.

You'd start with the absolutely freaking brilliant Morning Sedition -- a cerebral "morning zoo" for smart progressives. Then at 10 you'd have "Unfiltered", then Franken, then Randi Rhodes, then Marty Kaplan, then The Majority Report. Yes, Janeane Garofalo was terrible on radio, but Sam Seder wasn't, and the network then proceeded to screw him (along with MS's Marc Maron) seven ways to Sunday.

When you look back, this was some amazing, gonzo stuff that SHOULD have been a groundbreaker in progressive talk radio. But between the original crimes of Evan Montvel Cohen and a parade of successively worse management that proceeded to dismantle everything that was good about Air America, the network is beyond redemption at this point.

The latest example of short-thinking is the cancellation of Break Room Live. For one brief shining moment, someone realized that Seder and Maron had sizable and ferociously loyal ("sticky" in Web-speak) fan bases, and began the process of becoming a new media company by giving them a webcast and a bit of money to put into it. And eight weeks shy of the one-year commitment, they pulled the plug again. Marc Maron once again relocated to the east coast for this, and for the THIRD TIME, got the shaft. For Sam Seder, it's the fourth time.

There is absolutely no reason anymore to listen, or subscribe to this programming. The last time I tuned into what passes for the New York affiliate, I heard Montel Williams hawking fecal occult blood testers that you can buy on his web site. His infomercials are all over cable TV. The man is a snake oil salesman masquerading as a talk show host. And this is who they dumped Ron Kuby for.

I could go on and on and on, I hate these people so much because of what Air America was and should have remained, and what they have turned it into. I was a paid subscriber to their podcasts since they first made them available, but no more.

The problem is that this leaves the AM public airwaves as the exclusive purview of the insane right.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: The good old days Posted by: jarbo
» RE: The good old days Posted by: MT512
» RE: The good old days Posted by: whometense
Choke Point
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Aug 10, 2009 3:30 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
One thing the left doesn't need is to centralize it's efforts and make itself vulnerable to payoffs and infiltration.

Take NPR...PLEASE!

FREE AMERICA

THINK FOR YOURSELF

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

PS
Posted by: jarbo on Aug 10, 2009 3:54 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Though BAI is FM only...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

What's a "Progressive"?
Posted by: weightman on Aug 10, 2009 4:13 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I see that term used more and more to define "movements", political leanings, web pages, writers and car insurance. But I don't really understand what it means other than "not a Republican", (except in the case of auto insurance).
It's more Orwellian terminology. Like "Change we can believe in" or "enhanced interrogation techniques". Are they liberals? Then why not say "liberals"? Are they something more than liberals? Less? It sounds more like a condition than an ideology.
Or maybe they're just rich white pseudo-intellectual neoliberal elitist desk jockeys looking to disassociate from neoconservative branding. I really don't know.
How about a clear definition?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» What's a dumbass? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: What's a dumbass? Posted by: robbb3rt
» RE: What's a "Progressive"? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Excellent assessment! Posted by: J_Mo
» RE: What's a "Progressive"? Posted by: ChicagoWay
Did I Read This Right?
Posted by: MicroGlyphics on Aug 10, 2009 4:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Laura Flanders is quoted as having said, "Rising unemployment, rising resentment at the super rich, a liberal controlled Congress: there's never been a better time..."? This is part of the problem: misclassification. If only we had a liberal-controlled congress...a progressive congress, but we don't. We have a conservative, corporatist congress, just like we have Air America controlled by short-sighted, wallet-centric management. As for me, I don;t listsen to the brand, anyway; I listen to the message, and am increasingly seeking that message on the Internet since Progressive Radio seems to be abandoning me.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

DemocracyNow!
Posted by: vision on Aug 10, 2009 4:55 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
democracynow.org

Podcast it and put your headphones on for at least ten minutes to get the headlines. All the news you need. Spend the rest of your time acting. Modern media consume attention and time, and we are short on both. We know way too much. Every person here knows what the problems are, knows generally what's happening, who's responsible for the evils of our society, and probably has some good ideas about what they could do -- given some free time and courage -- to help make things better. What we need is not knowledge. We need to take action.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Who's In Charge?
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Aug 10, 2009 4:55 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What a confusing narrative. No wonder Air America is a failure waiting for "the cream to rise to the top" someday. Always someday. No clear mission statement. Its shows aren't on the same page.

As much as it will cause most of you to gag, may I suggest readers here spend a couple of days listening to the phalanx on the right(neocon right at least) of Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc.

You might hate what they say, but they are successful. And audience age differences aren't the only reason the right wing shows appeal to their audience. Air America's somewhat younger audience doesn't stay consistent to a discordant message from its hosts.

Humor, relentless pounding of a message the audience wants to hear and be assured it's not crazy and there are others that feel the same way, and sometimes nasty treatment of liberal callers make conservative talk radio successful. The election only helped Limbaugh etc. ratings.

I listen to Air America and it's all over the place. It's not interesting and more important, not funny. This is entertainment folks.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Alternative to the echo chamber? Posted by: johnwinthrop
» Just read the text. Hard as it is. Posted by: johnwinthrop
» RE: ratings, and advertising. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Can a spook read a balance sheet? Posted by: johnwinthrop
You don't silence liberals, you just render them bland
Posted by: Moonray on Aug 10, 2009 5:22 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The preferred technique for neutralizing liberalism in the Western world is for conservative entities to buy the outlets and put the most powerful liberal voices in jobs where they are soon co-opted and rendered irrelevant.

Look at CNN. There is so much mushy, pseudo-progressive, touchy-feely crap aired on that network every day that any real dissenting voices are lost in the clutter. But you can bet CNN keeps up the right-wing drumbeat on issues its bosses care about: Keeping big business in control of everything and keeping our perpetual wars going nice and hot.
Air America Radio's hiring Montel Williams -- after it was bought out -- is another example. Will Jerry Springer be next?

Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are keeping up the good fight on MSNBC, but they can't hold out long. Schultz already suffers from creeping blandness and Maddow's no-nonsense truth-telling must be hard to take for the network's advertisers. Ad people live for BS and shy away from the truth like a vampire flees from sunlight.

The hard fact is, the liberal movement is America has always been an illusion, a game of make-believe. Our population is so happily ignorant, mean-spirited and backward that it simply can't support progressive ideas. That's why we're the only major industrialized nation that continues to operate like a banana republic.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Mike Malloy
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Aug 10, 2009 5:27 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
is still around, he and cathy are running things themselves.
Sirius still carries them along with some terrestrial stations.
They bady need podcast subscribers to survive.
Go to http://www.mikemalloy.com/ to learn more.
He's one of the best still........

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Mike Malloy Posted by: MT512
» RE: Mike Malloy's Anger Posted by: billslm
Hmmmm....
Posted by: DaBear on Aug 10, 2009 5:31 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I tried to listen to AAR in the early days of the "station." As someone reared on a steady diet of Pacifica lineups I never really thought of AAR as anything more than merely liberal and milquetoast. Hartmann was the exception. But I was never in the car when he was on. So like everything else in my life, I went to podcasts because I could listen when I had the time not when some program director wanted me to tune-in. If I don't run my life around teevee why the fuck would I do it around radio?! I tried listening to Al Franken but, man, he was better on SNL and way too soft on the idiocracy, so that was a short lived experiment for me. NPR is so damned corporate it's just idiot-radio for the naive. Pacifica becomes so depressing (not because of the voices but because the country really is in the shitter and that's depressing). But for me AAR just never cut it.

I guess the lesson in the article is: if you're really progressive you better damn-well guard your top down organizational structure (if you have to have one at all) and keep the top-down owning classers out. Otherwise you'll end up like AAR and just be another ineffective noise-maker of little or no importance. I just watched a progressive charter school implode because they refused to choose a progressive structure. Two owning class males swooped in, took over and threw it into the toilet. Yay, owning class males...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Maybe the problem really is this
Posted by: Beck on Aug 10, 2009 5:33 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe it's not only true that repeating a lie long enough makes it seem true. Maybe you MUST keep repeating it, more or less forever. Conservatives do seem to like hearing the same things over and over, as long as they're hearing ideology and as long as a big group, liberals, teachers, unions, is getting scapegoated. Maybe you don't ever get to let up on the lie; it HAS to be repeated. Things closer to the truth hit on a different level and don't need incessant repetition, either by the talker or the listener. Maybe Limbaugh is really preaching to himself, trying not to backslide into reality. It's hard work, believing and convincing others of lies. Takes a toll. But maybe any time you hear someone stridently repeating something that they very much want YOU to believe, it's time to look closer.

Quite possibly, Air America won't ever be big, because liberals are clearer on what we think and don't need to hear others state it publicly for us. Not a bad quality to have.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Particuoar stations can be fairly good
Posted by: Bob Horn on Aug 10, 2009 5:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
AM1090 in Seattle has all the usual Air America people but also has Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes and others that are not part of Air-America, as well as a few local shows. There is still the chance that some local stations can be pretty good. My question is how they can spread to areas where their is not an alterntive voice.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

New American
Posted by: New American on Aug 10, 2009 6:06 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Air American actually has both a great opportunity and an open field in front of them. Having driven from California this spring along the classic Route 66, I was saddened to discover that MANY communities had only Christian or Rush radio available on the dial. While I don't knee-jerk at Christian programming, when it's the only thing going, it's easy to see why many folks haven't been exposed to to other lines of thought. Perhaps if they can hear the excellent thinking of Mr. Hartmann, they might just view life a little bit differently. The Rushes and Hannities have it easy, they get folks to think that all the foreclosures and empty store-fronts and bank-seized farms are the result of commies and socialists. Air American just needs to expand their voice. This may have to be done with small transmitters, and using local advertising. The internet can provide feed to any laptop and then an antenna. Use volunteers who would provide local news and weather at the top of the hour; perhaps on a short broadcast day? Like I said, there exists huge opportunities is properly exploited. Grass roots thinking may need to apply. Give Americans a chance; they just need a better diet of thought.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The Progs ARE representing!
Posted by: CovertRage on Aug 10, 2009 6:15 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Personally, I'm sick of the pseudo-left acting as if progressive media is little more than the purveyed antithesis of whatever dreck is being anally spouted by corporate owned and overcompensated sniveling opportunists who capriciously infotain and agitate a carefully selected religio-fascist audience, an aggregate of roughly about 13% of the American voting population. And, that 13% just happens to believe that the planet Earth is only 6000 years old and that Jesus lived with dinosaurs. Clearly, there is no amount of talking that is going to counter the xenophobic talking points ripping through their otherwise empty heads. So, what's the point?

Progressive media is doing plenty. Progressives don't need to counter right wing idiocy word-for-word to prove one single thing. I'm with Jesus, who said let he/she who is willfully ignorant remain ignorant until the end. Hell, what's the point of a head-on collision with dry drunks and child molesting pill addicts anyway? Let them rant and pity the idiots still stupid enough to grant them relevance and credibility. After all, what these flat-earthers who patronize right wing nuts want is for Progressives to get into screaming matches with them to quickly distract the larger public with fighting that displaces all meaningful and needed public discourse. By not going there, Progressives drive home the message that McCain and Palin LOST. Furthermore, the Dems, no matter how cravenly spineless, now have a chance to change the Nation's course, and progressive media is the mouthpiece of their propaganda machine. Trust me, the Progs are out there. They boast erudite minds like Thom Hartman and populists like Jim Hightower. We got Amy Goodman, big Eddie Schults and Norman Goldman, Randi Rhodes the extra radical, Mike Malloy, and even the moderately Republican Ron Reagan.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I enjoyed listening to Ron Kuby on WWRL 1600
Posted by: xvictor on Aug 10, 2009 6:24 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He used to be on in the early afternoons. He was a breath of fresh air dissecting the latest issues in the news. He was a practial foil to Rush Limbo who's on opposite him. Unfortunately, the powers-that-are yanked him off the radio. He's still broadcasting on the web but it's not the same.

I believe Air America is sitting on their laurels and that is a very dangerous behavior, considering the roaming kamikaze rightwing wackos spreading their disinformation far and wide.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Dialogue and Capitalism never mix.
Posted by: troubleinmind254 on Aug 10, 2009 6:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lets face it, for profit models don't work for anything labled progressive, It gets warped and devolves to Montel radio.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Air America is owned by Clear Channel need we say more?
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Aug 10, 2009 6:47 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Clear Channel - which created it's own right wing protests and then ran out to cover them - bought Air America and it's been on the slippery slope ever since. The best way to destroy a progressive radio station is to own it.

There are some good programs if you can remember when they're on.... Ring of Fire is good - I listen on You Tube. David Bender is good.... Thom Hartman is good from time to time (when he doesn't give voice to the right winger call ins). Ron Reagan is okay though nothing like Rachel Maddow - the single true star in the line up. But on the whole it isn't worth listening to and in many slots, Mike Malloy for example, listening for more than three seconds is torture... bad language and yelling invective seems to be the substitute for content... They should have listened more to Maddow to learn how it's really done. Even the ads are bad I think they assume that all progressives are poor and in financial trouble. I used to actually turn on the radio to tune in to Al Frankin and Rachel Maddow but now I mostly listen to books on tape when I'm in the car.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Some points
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 10, 2009 7:01 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1. How is rehiring Rhodes any sort of return to a "commitment to the tough political analysis that social change is organized around?" Rhodes is incoherent.

2. It is obvious that AAR is now controlled by the same corporate cabal that controls the DLC and the GOP. Hartmann was the last actual progressive to work for "Clear Channel-lite."

3. Legal advertising is, of course, only a small part of the ways a corrupt network can make money. AAR appears to be selling control of their editorial content as well, just like the rest of the corporate media.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Don't abandon us in rural America
Posted by: SufiLizard on Aug 10, 2009 7:02 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I would LOVE to be able to listen to progressive radio in my car, but unless I pay for a Thom Hartmann podcast I'm out of luck.

One of the other posters here mentioned how much of America is only reached by Christian and Conservative talk radio.

Rural folks aren't inherently conservative, it's just hammered into them without any kind of liberal counterbalance. Find a way to get "good" liberal voices on the air in rural American and you may start to see a creeping change.

There was a time when these rural areas actually spawned good progressive movements. That can happen again if we find a way to get the word out.

I had hopes for Air America at first, but they can their good talent and go with people like Montel Williams?!?! I'm not exactly a loyal viewer of Montel's TV stuff, but from what I have seen, he seems like a right-wing douchebag to me.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» There ARE alternatives Posted by: BobKincaid
» RE: Don't abandon us in rural America Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Bring back Morning Sedition
Posted by: SufiLizard on Aug 10, 2009 7:05 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Morning Sedition was the best program AAR had in the early days (with Rachel and Chuck D right up there).

I wish someone could get some of the guys from the original Morning Sedition back together and get it out there via podcast, Youtube and even syndication. THAT would be a success!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

May I suggest
Posted by: EJLima on Aug 10, 2009 7:05 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Make a list of the advertisers and call or write them that you will buy the product from a competitor.

Be sure to tell them and anybody else that will listen why you are offended and doing this.

Provide links that allow computer newbees to research what politicians are doing about the issue.

Spread this all over the internet.

LOVE PEACE and JOY for ALL.

BTW:
A computer whiz like you could establish a website with these links patterned similar to wikipedia that would be a central source of reliable truthful info.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Reagans deregualtion...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Aug 10, 2009 7:12 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...tilted the playing field so the 'PT Barnums' of the world would have an advantage. The honest businessperson could not compete with those who were willing to sell out their employees for more profit. The person who wasn't bothered by the fact that they put a community out of work in order to move the factory to some third world country in order to get labor on the cheap.

Somehow, this paradigm was embraced by the 'fiscally conservative' forces in the business community, who seemed oblivious to the destruction of the infrastructure that supported thier busines model, and the next phase was the hostile takeover of the whole shebang. So conservatives came to dominate the business community and the more rabid the movement became the less it was willing to financially support anything that smacked of 'liberalism'. Air America Radio, as well as many other progressive apsects of the media, simply could not get advertising revenue.

If you also take into effect the pervasive trend of eliminating the social welfare parts of our government, and all the jobs therein that tended to employ more liberal people, you get the perfect economic storm for depowering all things 'progressive' and the re-emergence of all things 'regressive'.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

AAR: "What Americans Want"?
Posted by: sslyon on Aug 10, 2009 7:55 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Zier on AAR content: "We're redefining and grabbing the pulse of what Americans want, and by redefining we're serving up product that they want." This is very discouraging and shows a lack of understanding of what responsible media and journalism should be. Whatever happened to independent and critical thinking? Tom Paine, Ben Franklin, et all didn't bend to "what Americans want", they clarified issues and principles for Americans who, equipped with understanding of the fundamentals of democracy, determined what they wanted and fought for it. We The People and our media have got to regain that clarity of understanding, get out of defensive and reactive modes and fashion our own new world. Equipped with our Declaration and Constitution, we remain the best hope for the world at large to achieve a prosperous, happy future.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

WHO THE HELL ARE RACHEL MADDOW AND ED SCHULTZ
Posted by: ffrf.org on Aug 10, 2009 7:56 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Clearly, talk radio is dead if all of its stars are elevated to television.

While the right wing can barely hold onto publications like the Weekly Standard.

Print media has always been better for progressives: facts are harder to fudge if you aren't yelling at the top of your lungs.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

There are Good Alternatives, Wherever You Live
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Aug 10, 2009 8:08 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I live in a rural area where reception is poor except for one station that plays mostly music. Yet I listen to good progressive (by which I mean NOT right-wing conservative) radio programs all the time. Whenever I want to listen, I just turn one on. If I don't like one particular program I just turn to another. I have more programming available than I have time to listen and I pay nothing for it (aside from occasional voluntary donations).

If you have a computer and you have a wide band internet connection then you can download all the programming you want and listen to it at your leisure. It is not difficult, though you will have to learn a few things to make it convenient; there is a tutorial available at OpEdNews.com. By the way, the link to Thom Hartmann's show has change and it is now here.

For some time I've pondered on how to make this approach more broadly recognized and used. One problem is that not everyone has wide-band access and others are afraid of computers. Possibly libraries could allow users to check out mp3 players and library staff could update them with new material when returned. One of these days I might visit my local library to suggest this; oops, we don't have a library in my town, but there are some nearby towns that do.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

DrJimmy03
Posted by: DrJimmy03 on Aug 10, 2009 8:22 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
One prog talk host the author missed was Bill Press. XM167 carries this lineup daily: Press, Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz (all live) and then a repeat of Thom Hartman.

XM165 carries Randi Rhodes live 2-5 p.m. Central.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Imitating right wing propgandists
Posted by: muzunguhowru on Aug 10, 2009 8:31 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
seems counter-intuitive to me. I have listened to AAR a bit but find that it's snarky Limbaughesque patter demeans the message. NPR has a liberal* skew but does it in a more intellectual and objective way IMO. Liberals tend to be print and discussion oriented. A format where an extremist rants for 20 minutes followed by carefully screened calls from sycophants and inarticulate challengers isn't likely to ever find traction and shouldn't among independently thinking people.

*(I dislike the term "progressive" and see no need to apologize for being a liberal)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Imitating right wing propgandists Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Air America is a dinosaur model
Posted by: alturn on Aug 10, 2009 8:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There are two radio stations in California that I always listen to when I have a chance. One is KKUP out of San Francisco's south bay and another in the redwood country. Both are locally owned (KKUP being community owned), filled with local characters who have a passion for what they do and the freedom to be themselves. They reflect what has been lost - the ability to demonstrate the unique diversity of talent in local areas. Instead of being ratings and money driven, in the case of KKUP the on-air folks do it for free just to share their unique passion. In the redwood country if they are being paid it likely is no more than minimum wage. Because of that, the love of their subject matter shines through and engages the listener to hear whether music or ideas that they otherwise may not have tuned into.

Such is the model for real progressive radio. Its starts with being local and as close to being community owned as possible. It keeps costs to a minimum to enable sharing instead of profit to be the driving force. It allows real diversity within its community a platform. And the voice of the people have a forum unfettered as much as possible from the ad and numbers guys - or the stuffy correctness of the PBS model.

If there were local radio stations such as this all over the country, it would make listening to the radio while traveling around the country more enjoyable and people would have a platform to engage and build community. National shows would have a development pool for talent (such as the baseball model) where the cream of the crop could ultimately rise to be heard by wider audiences.

Before, radio was closer to this. Now, the internet is closer and is the medium that is thriving while the radio is dying. Air America's problem is that it is stuck in the current corporate model. Being there, it cannot be expected to bring the joy, quirkiness and enthusiasm for subject matter - or the trust of its listeners - that comes from being grounded in community.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Community radio is the answer
Posted by: tomkara on Aug 10, 2009 8:47 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Air America's model of constant talk was never viable, in my opinion. Most stations that carry right wing talk also carry music, local news etc. We therefore need entertaining left wing syndicated programs that stations can broadcast individually. We also need more progressive community stations that broadcast a mix of stuff like Alternative Radio, Democracy Now, alternative health programs, local coverage, etc and lots of good music that other stations won't touch. We now have a full power FM station in south central Missouri that is doing just that, on a shoestring budget. If it can be done in rural MO, it can be done anywhere.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Obviously this writer doesn't know about me - Meria
Posted by: meria on Aug 10, 2009 9:23 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
progressive for REAL, women, men, heteros, gays, etc all LOVE the Meria Show, www.Meria.net now in it's 10th YEAR on the net, still ignored by "progressive" and "alternative" radio because as she's been told "your a loose cannon" and we have to answer to our "stockholders".
Meria (from Bklyn originally) answers to no one but the truth and her guests and audience know it.Does Air America or anyone out there REALLY want someone who tells it like it is or another bland ya-ya corporate mouthpiece?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Stephanie Miller rocks
Posted by: djmirk on Aug 10, 2009 10:11 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Mentioned only in passing in this article is the wonderful & talented Stephanie Miller! If she got more exposure, she'd have quite an audience. Stick-up-the-butt-liberals need to give her a break though.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Why are you surprised?
Posted by: bink on Aug 10, 2009 10:38 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When Air America dumped on Ralph Nader early on, you knew it was simply a mouthpiece for Democratic corporate spin. Now it should run wall to wall Obama for the faithful.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It Should Not All Be Concentrated in Air America
Posted by: mblockhart on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've turned off the TV and listen to progressive talk radio almost all day long as I go about my life. On the computer, I can get all these shows and I'm finding a rich pool of great talent out there - people who can keep us up on the political news, analyze it intelligently, interview people in the know. And there's XM radio when I travel about. I think the author has overlooked and underplayed some standout folks. Ron Reagan, for one, is progressive, intelligent (BTW there's nothing "Republican" about him and he's not gay as other posters have stated) and covers topics of importance, not silly fluff. Air America has Jack Rice now who wasn't even mentioned here - he comes with a rather fresh and unique perspective from his experience. Nicole Sandler is another quality progressive.
I think AA is making some mistakes with Montel and losing Kuby. Getting rid of Randi Rhodes was not a mistake, she's not well-liked by progressives across the country. Lionel is a progressive realist and a good entertainer.
But I don't think it all should rest on AA. Standouts not on AA are Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz (and I believe his "Senior Legal Analyst" Norman Goldman is about to start his own show), Mike Malloy, Bill Press, Laura Flanders, Amy Goodman, Peter B Collins and Jon Elliott. I haven't mentioned all of them either.
What is needed is 1)an eclectic collection of progressive talk on radio in every major metro area to reach the huge audience that listens to the radio while driving around all day but doesn't have XM 2) multiple channels on XM-Sirius (they recently axed Air America and now only effectively have one progressive lineup compared to several conservative talk programs) and 3) advertisers brought in to support these programs who recognize that progressives WILL buy their products and services. The biggest mistake progressive talk is making is in not seeking out financial support from progressive-friendly financial supporters and these advertisers are missing a great market.
These are the comments of an ardent progressive who lives smack-dab in the middle of America.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Air America lost its moorings...
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 10, 2009 10:56 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
but when Mark Green and his family bought it, he totally ruined what was a great idea.

Mark Green, a long-time DLC-Democrat, got rid of all the great talent, and has since driven AA further and further to the right, which has driven people away. Who the fuck wants to listen to Montel Williams??? He isn't "progressive" and he has Sylvia Brown, "renowned psychic" on his show all the time... not worth my time.

I would like to see a whole new broadcasting company start that would have all the talent Mark Green fired from AA! GIVE ME BACK CHUCK D! GIVE ME BACK SAM SEDER!

I don't know what Mark Green is thinking, but he's getting further and further from what Air America should be. If all he offers is Lionel, Ron Kuby, Montel Williams, etc., he deserves to be losing money! I want Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartman, Young Turks, .... oh, who am I kidding! It ain't gonna happen.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

KTLK in Los Angeles
Posted by: harlan8 on Aug 10, 2009 11:03 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
KTLK in Los Angeles (owned by Clear Channel) has a really good line up.
Stephanie Miller - is truly amazing. They are funny, and take a pro-Democrat political line.

Thom Hartman - Informative but a bit boring, not a real challenge for the loud right-wingers

Randi Rhodes is the smartest person or radio. I LOVE her. She is the left-wing counterpart to RL. Sometimes gets a bit too loud for me, but I guess that is part of being on the radio.

Ron Reagan is terrible, 2 hours wasted.

MIKE MALLOY is the BEST. He is very angry, but is truly a talk radio person of the left. Not afraid to ding Dems and Repubs. He gets the whole picture, but sometimes gets lost in a fog of anger. But it is a true oasis on the air.

We also have a Pacifica station that is unlistenable most of the time.

I wish places like Baltimore had any of these people on the air, so my mother could take a break from the right-wing stuff she has been listening to for 20 years, and parrots back to me.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

No one seems to mention
Posted by: BlueTigress on Aug 10, 2009 12:06 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That a lot of stations run Rush's program because it is free.

Hard to compete with programming that doesn't cost the station anything.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Also Free Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Thanks Posted by: BlueTigress
You Already KNOW the Reason
Posted by: SteveA on Aug 10, 2009 12:07 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Liberal radio will never succeed because all liberals seem to do is repeat angry garbage about people trying to get something done. Even when liberals are just chiming in with a liberal politician, it is never entertaining.

After spending a life not taking a joke, one simply tends to be anything but fun to listen to. And - of course! - what advertiser would want their company even named on such a medium?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

There is a plethora of Liberal talk radio out there..
Posted by: MaudDib on Aug 10, 2009 12:20 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
granted it is scattered...

One of my personal favorite.. (and longest lasting independent Liberal network)

Is the HORN.. The Head On Radio Network.

http://headonradionetwork.com/

This is the home of conversation radio...

Please give it a listen, and be sure not to miss Bob Kincaid 6-9pm est..

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

LOL
Posted by: TroyVanWinkle88 on Aug 10, 2009 12:25 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It DIED a very long time ago I m afraid.

RT
Online Privacy when it Counts

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

blah 3x
Posted by: tazdelaney on Aug 10, 2009 11:54 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
as i've said with ample documentation for 40 years, the rightwing conservatives are outright fascists, while the liberal left are fascists in sheep's clothing, just covert about it. at best, most so-called 'liberals' are lame and limp do-nothings.

'liberal' wilson and WWI; FDR watching senator prescott bush route billions to the nazis; truman starting the nazi national security state; JFK setting vietnam war up; LBJ killing a million vietnamese; clinton backing guatemala genocide and embargo that killed 800,000 iraqis and now the obamabush continues the torture and wars.

i remember before the big antiwar protest at the 2004 RNC here in NYC, truemajority and moveon were pleading with people to NOT attend the demonstration as 'it might make us look bad.' what? 700,000 people came. i was there to see cops starting fights, setting fire to things and then beating others who had plainly not done that. we saw the machine-gunners on rooftomps and in helicopters praying for an opportunity to rake the crowd as if we were in baghdad.

we marched for some time with this cool guy who was leading us with a chant, 'THIS is what DEMOCRACY looks like! but the gutless at moveon would've thought this too confrontational.

what's needed here are revolutionaries like jefferson, franklin, payne, danton, che and... abbie hoffman!

abbie hoffman would be ashamed at what's happened to the left which now seems devoid of 'radicals' and is left with wet dishrags. we've failed utterly to counter the rightwing which has become far better at theatrical media manipulation BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TIMID ABOUT IT! stupid, yes, BUT NOT SPINELESS!

what we need is some sharp, witty, audaciously outrageous events that are so in the public face as to be impossible to ignore. like when abbie, ginsberg and crowd went to the NYSE and started throwing money onto the trading floor from the balcony; chanting 'the war is over' while grown men groped for a buck on the floor. like inviting a half a million protestors to try to levitate the evil pentagon.

as a lifelong artist and activist... right now, i really want to do an art-politics event so bad i can taste it. living here in NYC, i want to make a fake, large guilotine, call media to be there and put it up on wall street. 'oh you shouldn't do that,' you can hear truemajority whimppering... hey, the UN says over 7 million of the world's poorest people will die due to the schemed and orchestrated econnomic disaster which has fantastically resulted in trillion-dollar REWARDS for the criminals who did this. billions have been hurt. but oh, moveon would say, a guilotine joke? that's tooo confrontational; why SOMEONE MIGHT GET UPSET!

at the moment, i can't afford to even make the faux-guilotine. anyone out there want to help? email plexflux@nyc.rr.com. the 3Cs of publicity are Controversy, Coverage, Credibility and this should suffice for all three.

air america? get off the prozac. 'well adjusted' is someone who thinks auschwitz is the government's business as they look the other way.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

War Profits Are Seldom Discussed.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 10, 2009 1:29 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sponsors are needed by the liberal radio. It forces their range of subjects to be limited to safe topics. The subject of the military industrial complex is never taken head on. Abuse of civilians in Iraq is about as far as they are permitted to go. Corporate war profits are seldom discussed.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: War Profits Are Seldom Discussed. Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
The big difference
Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Aug 10, 2009 2:19 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Progressives read. They like to seek their own info and don't want it spoonfed or bloviated to them.

I was recently trying to compare a rant of Olbermann with one of Glenn Beck. The tone is almost identical, but the logic and diction is like it's coming from different planets. Says a lot about their audiences.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

America doesn't need "Progressive Talk Radio"
Posted by: cynicalone on Aug 10, 2009 7:44 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
America doesn't need right or left wing radio and the divisiveness that it imparts. We need to require that all AM talk radio provide for a balanced dialogue and debate on the show between at least two countervailing opinions from the hosts and from callers.

Under no circumstances should a political show on the public airwaves be permitted to spew politically charged one sided monologues without offsetting debate. There should be a balance and debate so that listeners are provided with insight instead of being incited.

I'm not inferring we need a "fairness doctrine" of separate shows, but instead a requirement that political shows provide listeners with balance and debate as part of the show. For example Rush Limbaugh and Ed Shultz might appear as opposites on the same show and rationally discuss issues. It could actually be more entertaining and lucrative for these pundits as advertisers would be more willing to sponsor without appearing partial.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Listen to The HORN internet radio!!!
Posted by: MVC on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is the very best liberal radio has to offer. Unlike most talk show formats, the format here is conversation. This allows for real discussion. The HORN also hosts a very friendly chat room.
Give the Bob Kincaid broadcast a shot, its on 6PM - 9PM daily, just go to headonradionetwork.com to join the talk. Guy James is on 3pm-5pm Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
Archives of the shows can be found at http://www.whiterosesociety.org

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Voting with the dial
Posted by: John_Birch on Aug 11, 2009 9:58 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lowen's article reveals a lot about liberalism's mindset toward broadcasting. It never questions the idea that AAR exists for one reason only - to serve as a propaganda arm of progressivism.

No silly notions about profitability or audience share now. No high-minded talk of fairness here, not when it's politically inexpedient.

The article's hidden gem, however, is this. By chronicling the lengths to which AAR has compromised its values to attract an audience, it underscores the real political preferences of the communities AAR purports to serve.

In other words, people across the country are voting with their radio dials, and millions of ballots are in.

That's the reason AAR is suffering.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Voting with the dial Posted by: ChicagoWay
Blah.
Posted by: J_Mo on Aug 12, 2009 7:58 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Clearchannel is involved, then Progressive is the LAST thing that Air America will be going forward.

What a massive dissapointment! :(

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Progressive Radio Located.....in San Diego
Posted by: Mariah Dennstedt on Aug 12, 2009 11:01 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Although it disappeared for a while, Progressive Radio is on the way back to San Diego. Liberty One Radio is bringing a lineup that is the antidote to Limbaugh, Savage, Beck and the like.

For details, see www.libertyoneradio.com

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

As tweeted by Marc Maron...
Posted by: zull on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Just now, he didn't actually "resign". He got booted.

AAR is about old fart commentators who connect with their owner's beloved near-geriatric hippy generation. If you're young, edgy, and have a slightly different outlook on things (read that as, you didn't think Bill Clinton was as liberal a president as advertised) from the guys who run AAR, you're out. Even if you could potentially make some real money for the company or generate some interest/excitement. They seem to fail to realize that the older you get, the less progressive and liberal you get in most cases. To be a successful liberal radio station, you've got to be catering to the younger crowd, and that means you've got to be on the net. Kids don't buy radios anymore, and haven't for decades.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

became irrelevent when Randi Rhodes left...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 14, 2009 9:13 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I used to listen to Air America through the internet a few years back and luved it when Al Franken and Randi were on.

Now they seem to be anything but what they promised to be and so, I like many others tuned out...

irrelevent

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

THANKS TO LOCAL PROGRESSIVE RADIO
Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Aug 15, 2009 12:23 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
.. WE CAN HAVE THE BEST OF PROGRESSIVE TALK SHOW HOSTS.

Having suffered the idiotic decisions of AAR, most glaringly putting on the media predator Jerry Springer (I aided the email campaign to oust him in the SF Bay Area "The Quake" ), I am very grateful for our local KPOJ Portland's Progressive Talk Station here in Portland, OR. http://www.620kpoj.com/main.html

KPOJ's ability to compile the cream of the crop from multiple sources into a day of progressive programming is wonderful! We get Thom Harmann for 3 amazingly informative and intellectually stimulating hours in the morning, Ed Schultz (becoming quite the health care activist, having been dragged kicking and screaming to impeachment and justice), Bill Press, Randi Rhodes, Ring of Fire, Ron Reagan (good but not mind expanding), and one of my favorites MIKE MALLOY! (that guy channels exactly what I'm thinking most of the time - with the same words!).

I encourage everyone to support local advertisers who support your local progressive talk radio as much as possible! (I actually found a wonderful optometrist from KPOJ!)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Conflict of interest
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Aug 16, 2009 1:26 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is very clear, here. The talk often stands against crass profiteering, choosing the moral high road, etc. But the ads are often as obnoxious as any other commercial radio broadcast.

Maybe AAR can transition into something like NPR, or join forces with them. But, yes, it does seem to be at cross purposes. It would take someone exceptionally bright to figure out a way to reconcile the two.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Part of the problem is the Arbitron rating system.
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Aug 16, 2009 7:39 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is a phrase that goes, "Not all conservatives are stupid, but all stupid people are conservative". Applying this reality to the way raters are selected and not properly compensated for their time, its inevitable that most are conservatives. That rating drives advertising and Program Directors decisions, certainly not in the direction of quality or progressive radio.
Perhaps we could better organize on a station by station basis. My AAR affiliate (KPTK) is very selective in it's programing and is largely progressive. (And where is one of our best, Peter B. Collins?)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

AAR 's 'golden age" with Maron, Seder et al
Posted by: nancycadet on Aug 19, 2009 7:32 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This article is written in a strange way--hard to get the point of it. For 2 long time (now former) listeners, the key to any discussion of AAR is to acknowledge the sharp, funny, radical perspectives and delivery that characterized the original line-up and then the disastrous programming decisions that followed. Yes, Democracy Now is a great show, and I also support (with $) community radio, WPKN-Bridgeport Ct, and WBAI-NY because it broadcasts Amy Goodman, but Maron, Seder,recently dismissed from aar's BRL encapsulate the greatness of the hosts and the idiocy of the business managers.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Nike Dunks
Posted by: mjx729 on Sep 1, 2009 11:26 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Japan's Kyodo News quoted the Nike Dunks Democratic Party, 31 members of the news reports, the Democratic Party executive committee meet in the evening of 30 Nike Dunk SB, the Democratic Party is currently the party's first deputy Naoto Kan, or Katsuya Okada, Nike Dunk secretary general of a person or Nike Dunk High could become a Cabinet Secretary-General Hatoyama Cabinet. Kyodo News analysis, to convene Nike Dunk Low a special session of Congress in mid-period, Nike Air Max Hatoyama likely to September 14 was elected the new Prime Minister in Parliament, the new Air Max Shoes cabinet may be issued on September 18. Hatoyama 31, evening at a press conference to Air Max 90 formally announced the creation of national strategies Bureau of news.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement