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How Lou Dobbs Scared Rush Limbaugh Off the Birther Story
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I can think of three (inadvertent) positives that came out of Lou Dobbs' ill-advised embrace of the birther movement:
1) The CNN host has permanently tarnished his reputation
2) The birther movement is officially kaput (like, stick-a-fork-in-it done)
3) Rush Limbaugh is afraid to talk about birthers.
Talk about a win-win-win.
It's true that Dobbs irresponsibly mainstreamed radical right-fringe players by championing their half-baked claims that Barack Obama isn't a natural born citizen and is ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Dobbs, at least indirectly, lent the birther movement some fleeting credence as he dragged its misbegotten detective work into the spotlight. And it's still vitally important to monitor Dobbs and call out CNN management for its dreadful hypocrisy on the birther issue (i.e. The story is "dead" but it's OK for Dobbs to keep flogging it on national TV).
But there was some good news last week, and it came from watching Dobbs' slow motion train wreck unfold on the airwaves. It came from seeing how eagerly -- how convincingly -- the birther claims were debunked, not only online by progressives, but within the mainstream press as well -- the same mainstream press that's often reluctant to show up high-profile media players such as Dobbs, no matter how badly it has botched the facts. And let's not forget conservatives, who dismissed and ridiculed the birther claims.
In the case of the birthers, though, Dobbs' corporate media colleagues were utterly relentless in their fact-checking. I still don't think Dobbs knows what hit him. And frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well-deserved media pile-on. It's hard to see how Dobbs' career survives the humiliation.
Of course, it's always dangerous when hateful and cuckoo conspiracy theories are ushered into the mainstream and right-wing critics are given a platform to peddle their hateful whodunits about Obama's nationality the way Dobbs did. But, in this case, I almost think it was worth running that risk in order to watch the tidal wave of media disapproval that Dobbs' fearmongering unleashed.
Because in retrospect, the birthers, who had spent months lurking on the sidelines, needed to be called out on national TV; they needed to be ridiculed mercilessly and have their cheerleaders thoroughly mocked. They needed to be turned into the butt of a joke, and thanks to Lou Dobbs, last week they were.
It was a good thing MSNBC viewers got to see right-wing radio host G. Gordon Liddy feebly attempt to make sense of the birther crusade. And let's face it, if it weren't for Dobbs' high-profile, albeit irresponsible, birther cheerleading last week, Chris Matthews never would have booked Liddy for the show, nor would he have been discussing the topic.
Indeed, the rhetorical media beat down that Dobbs suffered seemed to reach every conceivable media forum, with reporters and pundits, anchors and TV hosts all lining up to smack the birther piñata Dobbs had so proudly hung.
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Posted by: whole2th on Jul 31, 2009 4:29 AM
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You ask what country's passport Obama used to travel to Pakistan in 1981--the answer isn't forthcoming--the question is RIDICULED.
You ask for details on why Obama applied for a foreign student scholarship--the answer isn't forthcoming, the question is avoided and RIDICULE is offered in place of direct, evidence-based reply.
The sheople believe in ridicule to fulfill on their herding instinct--which is to avoid criticism.
Same tactics used here by Encino and GuitarBill regarding the huge base of evidence regarding 9/11--RIDICULE.
AlterNet could have a reputation for cogent discussion and debate. Instead, AlterNet has devolved into promoting mob mentality and employs political hacks who specialize in RIDICULE to make and enforce their points.
Resist the ridicule. Demand the evidence.
Oh, and Hawaii presented the certificate of live birth not once, but twice.
We want answers to the question of the passport that allowed Obama into Pakistan and back to America. We want answers to why Obama applied for a foreign student scholarship.
We don't appreciate RIDICULE as the "answer".
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 31, 2009 5:24 AM
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Even early on, gasbag rightwing wacko Laura Ingraham on her show said there was nothing to that story (although she wished there was)
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Posted by: mikehattan on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 AM
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Lou, let me know when you get your foot out of your mouth.
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Posted by: donnal on Jul 31, 2009 6:33 AM
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As stated here this week on AlterNet, Mr. Obama had an "unique childhood". The facts of his "unique childhood" are filled with half truths, issues not addressed, records being sealed,destroyed or tucked away from view of the public. I am curious why this is.
I am curious why do journalists see their job as suppressing news about Mr. Obama, instead of reporting news about Mr. Obama?
I am curious why these same journalists and lawyers went to Alaska to provide us with the full story on Gov. Palin, and even challenged her son's birth. When they found no dirt, they attacked her for being herself.
I am curious how this President who said he would provide "tansparency" has not.
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» 'It' won't be 'fixed' in our lifetimes but keep your chin up
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» Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» And your point is ... ?
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» In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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Posted by: surfreality on Jul 31, 2009 6:54 AM
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Much as the "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters on the so called "Pro Life" Web sites encouraged zealots to take the law into their own hands, the birther challenges to Obama's citizenship are designed to portray the President as an active felon who is in office illegitimately and the implication is that some patriot somewhere should do something about it.
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» RE: Sister, great sarcasim that really hits the point
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» Fortunately the birther movement is mostly in the south
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Posted by: mushipeas on Jul 31, 2009 7:47 AM
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If a democrat, liberal, atheist, dirty-hippie, had made a crack like that there would have been AN APOLOGY, most likely volunteered to clear the air, but we, because yes I am a dirty liberal, don't do that. WHY? Because we attempt to INFORM ourselves thoroughly with FACTS NOT FANTASY. Sometimes we may mix up the facts and figures, but for the most part, they're based on reality.
I am seriously tired of being hospitable to idiotic tendencies from anyone, dirty liberal, clean-cut conservative, my brother...(that was a joke). What with that backlash, perhaps there'll be another symbolic beat down of other literally unbelievable 'news' representatives...DON'T STOP AT DOBBS!!!
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Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Jul 31, 2009 8:02 AM
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What planet does their citizenship belong to???
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 31, 2009 8:16 AM
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Anna
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Posted by: Captain Moroni on Jul 31, 2009 8:18 AM
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What I believe you'll fail to realize is that many like myself care about our Constitutional Republic, our Constitution ,and our free market system. These define who we are as Americans from all other peoples past and present. I don't care what party is involved, what color of skin, etc.
I do care about seeing before my eyes the turning of the USA into a land that no longer respects rule by law and the Constitution as the law's foundation: from changing our free market system and political system into a FASCIST dictroship. Haven't we yet learned what results fascism brings to the desturction of personal liberty???
Now, if your goals are NOT the same as mine, just say so and I'll understand where you're coming from. OK?
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Posted by: jal64 on Jul 31, 2009 8:23 AM
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What Rush or Lou say is not what keeps the legs under this topic. It's BO's intransigence.
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Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Jul 31, 2009 9:18 AM
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» Go on couch potato. There's plenty of idiots here ready to share the stupid moment with you.
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Posted by: pdxlinuxchix on Jul 31, 2009 9:19 AM
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What I'm driving at is this: there's a non-trivial difference between people with a rational and healthy skepticism and those who are skeptical and engaged in what Hofstaeder called "the paranoid style of American politics". The difference is this: there is evidence that *could* be presented to me that would convince me that, for instance, evolutionary biology is wrong. I have not seen that evidence and the falsification criteria I have is firmly within the mainstream of biological thought (I'm a biologist by training and vocation). That criteria has not, at present be met, but if it ever is I would, however difficult it is, abandon evolutionary biology. However, for Birthers, there is simply NO amount of evidence that would falsify their hypothesis for him. If the state of Hawaii produces affidavits from every single person who *might* have had contact with the infant Obama, Birthers will say "isn't that convenient. What are the odds that they could *really* find all of those people". If the nurses were found but it was found that the doctor died in 1963, the birthers will say "now isn't that convenient that the attending physician just so happened to die". Because they are starting from a premise and the only thing that counts as evidence are those items that confirm their premise. Anything that disconfirms it, no matter how authoritative the document may be and no matter how solid the provenance of that document or source, is by its very definition not evidence because it disconfirms what they already believe. In fact, the more solid the provenance of the document the less likely the birthers will be to believe it because they will argue that a document that is 48 years old where the provenance is absolutely incontrovertible is very unlikely and thus suspicious while a document where the provenance has breaks in the chain is *also* suspicious.
Cheers
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Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM
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from the article;
"Do you know what this means?" Taitz asked in a telephone interview with Military.com Tuesday, about an hour after hearing from Maj. Stefan Cook, the officer fighting his deployment to Afghanistan. "It means the Obama administration has blinked. They have no cards to play with. The moment I filed a lawsuit, they didn't even fight!"
"Can you imagine what are the consequences? This is disastrous" for the administration, she said. "We'll have no military. Because anytime any Soldier, any Sailor, any Airman does not want to follow any orders, all he has to do is call an attorney and say 'I don't want to follow this order because I question the legitimacy of the commander in chief.' "
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Posted by: bettyn on Jul 31, 2009 9:47 AM
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Enough with the wingnuts.
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM
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Like that Beck guy... an admitted alcoholic...they both are covered by the old AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) little saying: "Some people are sicker than others." Both Beck and Dobbs have risen, along with Limbaugh and Hannity (and others), TO THEIR HIGHEST LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE.
Many are applauding their personal implosions as a harbinger that maybe, just maybe, this country's people are beginning to wake up to the hate and fear and power mongering that have been intentionally programming their minds... FOR PROFIT.
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» RE: here's a question for the birthers. Two more.
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» Ein MD, HERE'S WHAT THEY WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT - OR JUST GO PISS UP A ROPE!!
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» RE: NO! and PROBABLY NOTHING!
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» RE: BTW, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health has this to say..
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» You really need to stop making assertions of law...
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 PM
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Do you even understand that YOU are being FED idiotic hot button lies IN ORDER TO DISTRACT YOU FROM FEELING THE KNIFE IN YOUR BACK...BEING TWISTED BY THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE FEEDING YOU THAT INTELLECTUAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL POISON??? Take a breath, for goodness sake, and stop chasing your own tail. THEY WANT YOU DISTRACTED and in SURVIVAL MODE so you won't even understand that they have their fingers in your pocket, using your taxes ("the sweat of the American People") to MASS MURDER PEOPLE TO STEAL THEIR OIL FOR PROFIT of "not you", my dear. These are the same corporate Fascists (the true definition of Fascism is individual or corporate ownership of the government - a condition in Germany that enabled the rise of Hitler, by the way - and programmed all those GOOD GERMANS who looked away when they neighbors were being slaughtered) who poison your water, divert energy and blackmail you into paying high energy bills, rob your children of an education, health care, decent infrastructure, even the AIR YOU BREATHE -- FOR PROFIT!!!!!!!!
Your schools are underfunded, your children intentionally kept ignorant so they grown up like YOU... a slave .... your children programmed with false 'patriotism' so they will run into CORPORATE WARS waving the flag, not even understanding that they will DIE FOR A LIE AND FOR THE PROFIT AND PERPETUATION OF THIS OLIGARCH OF THE ELITE - BECAUSE YOUR DEMOCRACY IS DEAD, AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME!
OUR MILITARY AND CIA HAS BEEN UNDERMINING DEMOCRACIES AROUND THE WORLD FOR YEARS... PAYING OFF TYRANTS WHO WOULD OPPRESS, EXPLOIT AND MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR PROFIT OF U.S. AND INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS WHO RAPE AND PILLAGE THEIR PEOPLE AND THEIR RESOURCES. WAKE UP!
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! SAVE YOURSELF!!
RE-WIRE YOUR BRAIN AND ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SCREWED ROYALLY BY THE ELITE WHO WOULD USE YOU AND THROW YOU AWAY...AND YOUR CHILDREN. YOU ARE DISPOSABLE. BELIEVE IT.
GOD, PLEASE WAKE UP!
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Posted by: surfreality on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM
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This is a petition asking CNN to remove Lou Dobbs.
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Posted by: blurider on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM
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Forget that he's already produced the most 'authentic' form of LEGAL birth certificate Hawaii now has, electronically filed for everyone born in the last fifty years and beyond! Forget that there are extant, notices of his birth from Hawaiian Newspapers. Forget that the governor of Hawaii has said he is a legal American citizen born in Hawaii! Forget that there are living witnesses who remember his mother giving birth on that day in Hawaii!
Like John McCain's parents, his mother was a natural born U S citizen when he was born - WHEREVER SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN!!
To prove there is any open question remainig concerning the matter whatsoever, these wing nuts should be able to prove that he is a citizen of any other country! THEN and ONLY THEN we'd have an issue worth investing our time in!
All that other CRAP is just so much shit slingin' by the tinfoil hats!
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» RE:NO! I merely have access to a lot of information you birthers REFUSE to see!
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» RE: in MD, HERE'S WHAT THEY WILL ACCEPT; what do Mormons think of B. Young's words on blacks, those
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Posted by: sam3 on Jul 31, 2009 5:50 PM
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crap. From the same bunch of nuts.
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Posted by: dayahka on Jul 31, 2009 7:07 PM
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The birth certificate business and all other so-called "facts" associated with the birthers are irrelevant. You can marshall all the facts and arguments you want, but the birthers would simply sidestep any response and bring up something else. The certificate is for them false, no matter what it says. This is a firm belief, an obsession, a madness that cannot be eradicated by argument.
The only way to guard against the birthers and their ilk is constant vigilance, ever ready to expose their evil to the light of day, because they will never go away--like evil everywhere, they will lurk to strike another day with some other absurdity.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 31, 2009 9:31 PM
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http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/22/democrats-scold-obama
“In a letter to the president, four senior House members said they were ’surprised’ and ‘chagrined’ by Obama’s statement in June accompanying a war spending bill that he would ignore restrictions placed on aid provided to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.”
The letter stated, “During the previous administration, all of us were critical of the President’s assertion that he could pick and choose which aspects of congressional statutes he was required to enforce. We were therefore chagrined to see you appear to express a similar attitude.”
Surprise, surprise, surprise. It turns out Obama likes signing statements just like Bush did. The article tries to give some cover to King Obama by saying he's issued 'fewer' of them than Bush did. But, since the Democrats control both houses of Congress, its very logical that Obama would be issuing fewer than Bush. Bush probably issued fewer back when the Republicans controlled Congress too.
The issue is over restrictions that the Congress placed on funding for the IMF and World Bank in the last war, death, and destruction funding bill that the Democrats passed in Congress.
The founders were quite careful to put control of money and how its spent in the hands of Congress. They specifically said that all funding bills had to originate in the House of Representatives, as the body who's members are most closely elected by the people. They knew that control of how money is spent is a key function of government, and they tried to keep that as close to the people as possible.
So, now we have King Obama saying he doesn't give a damn what the legislature said about how he could spend the money, and that instead he's going to do whatever he wants to do. Its good to be the King.
And, its exactly what King Dubya said.
And, you can now bet any money that the government and Wall Street haven't taken from you that the next time there's a Republican president that they'll cite Obama's precedent about how they can also ignore Congress and do anything they want to do.
If we lived in a true democracy and nation of laws, these congressional leaders would be starting impeachment proceedings instead of sending a weak letter to the White House. Of course, these are the same Democratic congressional leaders who ok'd Bush's signing statements by refusing to impeach him. I'd almost guess that if I did some research I might find that they sent a weak, do-nothing letter to King Dubya as well.
At some point, failing to fulfill your constitutional duties and instead just sending weak letters constitutes approval of the actions. You either stand for the Constitution and the rule of law, or you don't. Its like the old line about being 'half-pregnant'. If these Congressional leaders fail to do anything substantial to end this practice, then they support it by their inaction.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 31, 2009 9:34 PM
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An excellent article that deserves to be read in its entirety.
OK, I'm a pretty consistent critic of President Obama. This isn't anything personal as I've never met the man. But, I've long had this feeling that Obama consisted of a weak and phony progressive cover over top of someone who would follow the same policies demanded by those with power. Now, as we near the 200 day mark of the Obama Presidency, isn't this becoming very apparent?
We have a Hoover-esque economic strategy that involves pumping trillions of dollars into the Wall Street firms that financed Obama's campaign. This is doing little or nothing to reverse the economic downturn that is clobbering most American citizens these days. But it has rescued the balance sheets of the Wall Street firms and created a phony stock market rally that is going in the opposite direction from real economic activity. Which means of course that it can't last for long.
We have a foreign policy that Reagan would seem to admire. We've expanded our war in Afghanistan, doubling the number of troops there. We've escalated that same war across the border into Pakistan, with both 'drone' strikes and a proxy military war there. We've attempted a coup 'color revolution' in Iran, and continue to threaten military attacks on Iran. Now we've orchestrated a coup in Honduras.
And here's a key point. Personally, I've been overjoyed watching watching the people of Central and South America elect populist leaders that actually seem to try to represent their citizens instead of making government just a tool to further enrich wealthy elites. Yet, the Obama administration has clearly always regarded these elections as 'set-backs' that need to be overturned and reversed. Obama's echoing of right-wing lies and rhetoric about President Chavez is a key sign of this attitude.
Of course, its no surprise that an Obama administration would oppose other Presidents who put the interests of their citizens ahead of the interests of wealthy elites. Clearly Obama is an opponent of such views. After all, his Hoover-esque economic policies and his Reagan-esque foreign policies are a clear declaration of his own dedication to serve the wealthy elites over the interests of ordinary American citizens.
If you doubt this, just watch what comes out of the 'health care reform' process in this Democratic government. Will it be a single-payer health care system that provides care to all at lower costs to the nation? Or will it be something else that protects and expands insurance, HMO, and pharmaceutical company profits? Wanna place a small bet who Obama and the Democrats are going to represent and serve?
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» Oh, no. You're also vasmurti.
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» RE: Oh, no. You're also vasmurti.
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» RE: Oh, no. You're also vasmurti.
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» RE: Oh, no. You're also vasmurti.
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» RE: Oh, no. You're also vasmurti.
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» More useless rightwing bullshit.
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» CHOKE ON THAT YOU PARTY FUCKS !! LOL !! LOL !!
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» RE: "CHOKE ON THAT YOU PARTY FUCKS !! LOL !! LOL !!"
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» RE: More useless rightwing bullshit.
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Posted by: marsmath on Jul 31, 2009 9:53 PM
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That comment on Huffington Post got censored. They say 'ad hominem' attack. I don't see it that way. Comment is factual and likely. Is Huff cowering to Dobbs or Limbo, or both? Thoughts, anyone?
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» RE: AMEN BROTHER
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» ???? You're not powerless.
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» You're right. I'm not powerless and I will happily cancel your vote for Obama in 2012.
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» Well, if votes cancel each other, won't mine cancel yours?
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» Before, 2 Democrat voters. Now, 1 Democrat voter and 1 (Republican or Independent).
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» RE: Before, 2 Democrat voters. Now, 1 Democrat voter and 1 (Republican or Independent).
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» RE: Before, 2 Democrat voters. Now, 1 Democrat voter and 1 (Republican or Independent).
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» RE: Before, 2 Democrat voters. Now, 1 Democrat voter and 1 (Republican or Independent).
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» Geez, it looks as thought there's no point in voting AT ALL.
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» RE: It's a good thing I switched my party registration.
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» Yet another name, max?
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» Quannah hates dissent so he/she resorts to grouping. Wow !
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» If you want to hide that you're doing it, be less obvious.
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» Nice to see Beck hating dissent and yet hiding and stabbing.
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» Yes, it is nice, isn't it?
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 1, 2009 11:06 AM
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There is another reason behind this and it's because Limbaugh knows Obama is a US citizen.
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» We are, Mr. Lex-Benn. Hiding and stabbing, hiding and stabbing. Hating dissent, while hiding and.
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» You uh still coughing grandpa's cough medicine?
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» You left out shucking and jiving.
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» Not to mention pickin' and grinnin'.
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» Rocking and rolling
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Posted by: Kathy-B on Aug 1, 2009 12:59 PM
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Yes, you can get over racisim. It's just a form of hate, and hate is a waste of energy.
Or if you just enjoy being paranoid and full of hate, and can't get past it, here's a new conspiracy for you: the Bush, Cheney et al are all shape shifting beings from space come to take over our planet.
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» RE: CNN Hired Glenn Beck Too
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Posted by: Lilly on Aug 1, 2009 6:20 PM
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» I heard a tape of an elderly woman terrified about this lie
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Posted by: gnunews on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM
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It's also a reminder that technology allows not just smart people to communicate, but the morons too.
I think liberals in the media will keep this crazy story going as long as they can to keep making the Republicans look like idiotic racists.
I just wrote a post today on my blog about the dumbing down of America.
Read it here
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Posted by: SteveA on Aug 5, 2009 12:12 PM
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We could be told more about his trips to Pakistan and other Muslim countries, how he got into college & who paid, how he progressed in the world of Chicago politics, and just where all those hundreds of millions of dollars came from that he used to overwhelm the lamentable John McCain campaign. Questions about Obama and ACORN alone could keep Newsweek going for months.
While members of the Obama-aligned media are still lining up to offer their opinions about the crazy birthers, no one even gets to ask about all these other secrets. The cover these arguments provide for his power play is invaluable, as previous writers have suggested.
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» RE: GOD I HOPE AUTHOR IS CORRECT
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 AM
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» RE: It's the money stupid
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Posted by: adp3d on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 AM
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Posted by: whole2th on Jul 31, 2009 4:29 AM
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You ask what country's passport Obama used to travel to Pakistan in 1981--the answer isn't forthcoming--the question is RIDICULED.
You ask for details on why Obama applied for a foreign student scholarship--the answer isn't forthcoming, the question is avoided and RIDICULE is offered in place of direct, evidence-based reply.
The sheople believe in ridicule to fulfill on their herding instinct--which is to avoid criticism.
Same tactics used here by Encino and GuitarBill regarding the huge base of evidence regarding 9/11--RIDICULE.
AlterNet could have a reputation for cogent discussion and debate. Instead, AlterNet has devolved into promoting mob mentality and employs political hacks who specialize in RIDICULE to make and enforce their points.
Resist the ridicule. Demand the evidence.
Oh, and Hawaii presented the certificate of live birth not once, but twice.
We want answers to the question of the passport that allowed Obama into Pakistan and back to America. We want answers to why Obama applied for a foreign student scholarship.
We don't appreciate RIDICULE as the "answer".
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» The quickest way to end ridicule.
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» RE: The quickest way to end ridicule.
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» RE: The quickest way to end ridicule.
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» Passport Replaces Birth Certificate
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» RE: Passport Replaces Birth Certificate
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» RE: Passport Replaces Birth Certificate
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» lol
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» Ann Coulter
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» RE: "Oh, and Hawaii presented the certificate of live birth not once, but twice. "
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» RE: Birthers = 9/11 Truthers?
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» RE: Birthers = 9/11 Truthers?
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» Fumb Duck - I like it.
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» You brought it on yourselves by buying it so readily
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» Why I Ridicule...
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» RE: Why I Ridicule...
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence-What's the point?
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» The 911 deniers will not listen to reason; thus, they're subjected to ridicule.
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» Waterboard Silverstein
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» Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live.
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» Silverstein has means and motive
Posted by: weathered
» Dithered scribbles, "...he's guilty until proven innocent."? Really? No kidding?
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» Patriot Act says your wrong
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» Really? And how does the Patriot Act apply in this situation?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Larry Silverstein is guilty
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» Wrong again, anti-American. He's innocent until proven guilty.
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» RE: Waterboard Silverstein
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» RE: Waterboard Silverstein
Posted by: weathered
» If Silverstein is such an "evil mastermind", why is he $4 billion in the hole?
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» RE: If Silverstein is such an "evil mastermind", why is he $4 billion in the hole?
Posted by: babs
» Ah, it must be another representative from Hokum, Bunkum, Flapdoodle and Balderdash.
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» RE: If Silverstein is such an "evil mastermind", why is he $4 billion in the hole?
Posted by: Squarehead
» Again, Mossad's DNA was all over 9/11
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» Again @$$, you're the one making wild assertions; thus the burden of proof is yours and yours alone.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» If Israel didn't help engineer 9/11
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» More idiotic assertions without the benefit of evidence?
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» What Israel fears most?
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» Still working on that "cogent" thing, Herr dithered?
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» RE: Again, Mossad's DNA was all over 9/11
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» I don't need to prove your assertion wrong--you idiot.
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» Oh yes you do little man
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» You don't offer proof, because you can't offer proof. All you have is speculation.
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» RE: Waterboard Silverstein
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» RE: Waterboard Silverstein
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» "Insurance fraud"? "Murder"? Really? No kidding?
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» RE: "Insurance fraud"? "Murder"?
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» He's clean--and you know it, anti-Semite.
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» Silverstein is guilty
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» He is innocent; that's why there was no indictment.
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» Were you Julius Streicher in a past life?
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» We could start w/theDick/w and move
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» Oh right, your intuition ISN'T guided by your...
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» What Israel hates most?
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» Oh so
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» RE: 'Oh so,' a good letter ruined by the infamous Scalia
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» So, a thought crossed your mind, eh Babs? Must have been a long and lonely journey.
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» RE: idicule replaces evidence
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» You HAVE no evidence. And you ridiculously expect your accused to gather it for you.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 31, 2009 5:24 AM
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Even early on, gasbag rightwing wacko Laura Ingraham on her show said there was nothing to that story (although she wished there was)
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» RE: Clinton and the birther story
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» Hah! Moroni a journalist?
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» RE: Hah! Moroni a journalist? He said he has a Doctprate
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» RE: Hah! Moroni a journalist?
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» RE: Hah! Moroni a journalist? Maybe he's PopPop Schell. Remember him?
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» RE: Clinton and the birther story
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» RE: You are Mormon, right?
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» RE: Clinton and the birther story
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» Jounalism? What's Jounalism?
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» RE: Clinton and the birther story
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» Profound ignorance of the law
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» CORRECTION--Clinton stepped down in January 2001 (NT)
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» RE: Profound ignorance of the law
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» Whose murder?
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» RE: Whose murder?
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» Of course you're a Vince Foster conspiranoid
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» So tell us why BUSH did not prosecute these "crimes".
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» "...for many of alledged criminal acts done in Bill's Presidency."
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» Cap Moron,
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» RE: Clinton and the birther story
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» RE: Clinton supporter filed first birther suit during campaign
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» That bit of info is BIG NEWS. Big news enuf to derail Obama!!!
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» RE: That bit of info is BIG NEWS. Big news enuf to derail Obama!!!
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» HEY, THAT'S NOT NICE ! HOW ABOUT STUPID WHITE WOMEN ? OOOOO !! LOL !!
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» RE: HEY, THAT'S NOT NICE ! HOW ABOUT STUPID WHITE WOMEN ? OOOOO !! LOL !!
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» RE: HEY, THAT'S NOT NICE ! HOW ABOUT STUPID WHITE WOMEN ? OOOOO !! LOL !!
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» RE: HEY, THAT'S NOT NICE ! HOW ABOUT STUPID WHITE WOMEN ? OOOOO !! LOL !!
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» RE: HEY, THAT'S NOT NICE ! HOW ABOUT STUPID WHITE WOMEN ? OOOOO !! LOL !!
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» Apparently, LOL no longer means laugh out loud.
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Posted by: avidAmerican on Jul 31, 2009 5:47 AM
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» RE: The thing they did achieve was to make themselves look like complete morons to the entire world
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» Well, the intelligent among us won't believe the lies
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» These are the same ones who'd vote for Palin in 2012.
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» RE: The only existing true evidence is that President Obama was born in the U.S.A.,
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Posted by: mikehattan on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 AM
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Lou, let me know when you get your foot out of your mouth.
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Posted by: donnal on Jul 31, 2009 6:33 AM
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As stated here this week on AlterNet, Mr. Obama had an "unique childhood". The facts of his "unique childhood" are filled with half truths, issues not addressed, records being sealed,destroyed or tucked away from view of the public. I am curious why this is.
I am curious why do journalists see their job as suppressing news about Mr. Obama, instead of reporting news about Mr. Obama?
I am curious why these same journalists and lawyers went to Alaska to provide us with the full story on Gov. Palin, and even challenged her son's birth. When they found no dirt, they attacked her for being herself.
I am curious how this President who said he would provide "tansparency" has not.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call you stupid
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» Wha????
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Call me curious about Captian Moroni's Doctprate
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» RE: Call me curious about Captian Moroni's Doctprate
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» RE: Call me curious about Captian Moroni's Doctorate
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» RE: Call me curious about Captian Moroni's Doctorate
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» Good luck to you EncinoM. May you be protected from
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» Dictorship. Wow.
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» He'e trying to make you prove a negative
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» RE: Call me curious about Captian Moroni's Doctprate???? formm wat unniviersuty?
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» Or spelling.
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» Mr. "Constitutional Republic" has called for a military coup
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» RE: Mr. "Constitutional Republic" has called for a military coup
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» Really bad semantics
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» RE: eally bad semantics
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» RE: Mr. "Constitutional Republic" has called for a military coup
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» Captain Moron's link (provided by brunowe - thanks!)
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» RE: Curiosity
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» RE: Curiosity
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» RE: Extreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» He's Baaaaack!!
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: xtreme narcissist, oh, are you talking about yourself again?
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» RE: Curiosity
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» RE: Curiosity
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» RE: Curiosity
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» Your questions would take a major new article to answer so.
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» RE: Your questions would take a major new article to answer so.
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» RE: Your questions would take a major new article to answer so.
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» RE: Your questions would take a major new article to answer so.
Posted by: proudleftist
» It's finally becoming clear
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» RE: It's finally becoming clear
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» RE: It's finally becoming clear
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» RE: It's finally becoming clear
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» RE: It's finally becoming clear
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» RE: It's finally becoming clear
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» Typo
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» RE: Your questions would take a major new article to answer so.
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» RE: Curiosity
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» RE: Curiosity of who the PTB are : THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE
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» Wacko Mormon nonsense!
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» RE: Curiosity of who the PTB are : Some interesting Mormon quotes about blacks, from BY himself
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» He's a NUT JOB, Lauren.
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» RE: Call me curious. Me, too. Why did they suppress news about Bush?
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» YOUR SELF-DECEPTION = AND "BREAD AND CIRCUSES"
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» RE: Call me curious.
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» Be careful. The Obama zombies will whack you for being curious.
Posted by: Lex Thomas
» Zombies don't whack.
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» RE: Call me curious.
Posted by: babs
» I'll just call you crazy instead - how 'bout that?
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» RE: Limbaugh, Palin, and now "birthers". So Max...
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» Maxie-pad.....
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» RE: Maxie-pad! LOVE IT!
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» RE: Maxie-pad! LOVE IT!
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» RE: Maxie-pad! LOVE IT!
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» RE: Maxie-pad.....
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» Bush may have stolen and done the damage but Obama's not planning on fixing it.
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» fixing it
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» RE: fixing it
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» RE: fixing it
Posted by: foreverhope
» 'It' won't be 'fixed' in our lifetimes but keep your chin up
Posted by: foreverhope
» Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» RE: Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» You can call me missus
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» RE: Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» RE: Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» RE: Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» RE: Translation: Learn to appreciate being given the middle finger but keep hoping blindly.
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» Are you five years old Lexy or just really really OLD?
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» An earlier reader is right - Alternet's rating system isn't working
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» They're doing "damage control" for Obama with distractions.
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» distractions & conspiracies
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» distractions & conspiracies
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» Another distraction & conspiracy
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» And your point is ... ?
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» RE: And your point is ... ?
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» RE: And your point is ... ?
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» RE: And your point is ... ?
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» RE: And your point is ... ?
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» RE: And your point is ... ?
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» RE: Another distraction & conspiracy
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» It is sarcasim Beck honey!
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» RE: It is sarcasim Beck honey!
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» RE: It is sarcasm Beck honey!
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» RE: It is sarcasim Beck honey!
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» RE: It is sarcasim Beck honey!
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» I KNOW! It IS fun!
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» In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» You're right about one thing though
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» RE: In the mean time, 19 Obama voters in my county are changing parties after his birth controversy.
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» I'll bet it's a lot more in LA just like I found out here in VA
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» I have one word for you, maxpayne: XANAX
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» More words for Maxie Pad
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» Raaaaaaaaar!
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» RE: aaaaaaaaar!
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» RE: aaaaaaaaar!
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» RE: aaaaaaaaar!
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» RE: aaaaaaaaar!
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» Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here?
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» RE: Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here?
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» LOL Babs!
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» KIDS ! Don't they have their homework to do?
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» Don't they have their homework to do? Hmm, Benn Miller asks suspiciously similar questions!
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» RE: LOL Babs!
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» Lameo Loser Liars
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» ROFLMAO!
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» RE: Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here?
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» RE: Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here? They're all the same person. Sybil.
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» RE: Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here? They're all the same person. Sybil.
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» RE: Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here? They're all the same person. Sybil.
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» That is just part of your mental illness Maxie
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» RE: Anyone notice Maxie & Bullet Proofed aren't here? They're all the same person. Sybil.
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» Well WHOOP DEE DOO ! This many fucked up responses ? DAMN !
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» RE: Well WHOOP DEE DOO ! This many fucked up responses ? DAMN !
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» RE: Well WHOOP DEE DOO ! This many fucked up responses ? DAMN !
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» Oh Maxie, settle down now
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» RE: Oh Maxie, settle down now
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» Yes, I know you love it Maxie
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» RE: Yes, I know you love it Maxie
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» RE: Yes, I know you love it Maxie
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» RE: Yes, I know you love it Maxie
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» DEMS RULE!
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» TOO BAD THE DEMS ARE WORKING ON LOSING AND DROOLING ! LOL !
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» Go on to bed Maxie
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» You first.
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» Well, you don't have to wonder whether your party will lose or not, do you, Maxie?
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» RE: DEMS RULE!
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» RE: DEMS RULE!
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» RE: DEMS RULE!
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» RE: DEMS RULE!
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» RE: DEMS RULE!
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Posted by: surfreality on Jul 31, 2009 6:54 AM
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Much as the "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters on the so called "Pro Life" Web sites encouraged zealots to take the law into their own hands, the birther challenges to Obama's citizenship are designed to portray the President as an active felon who is in office illegitimately and the implication is that some patriot somewhere should do something about it.
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» RE: I know why the birther movement is trying to portray the President as an active felon!
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» RE: I know why the birther movement is trying to portray the President as an active felon!
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» RE: Sister, great sarcasim that really hits the point
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» RE: Sister, great sarcasim that really hits the point
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» RE: go fu@k off
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» RE: go fu@k off
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» Medical records
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» RE: Medical records
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» Do you want his birth weight?
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» RE: I know why the birther movement is trying to portray the President as an active felon!
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» RE: The birther movement is a not too subtle incitement to violence.
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» RE: The birther movement is a not too subtle incitement to violence.
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» Fortunately the birther movement is mostly in the south
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» I know!
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Posted by: mushipeas on Jul 31, 2009 7:47 AM
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If a democrat, liberal, atheist, dirty-hippie, had made a crack like that there would have been AN APOLOGY, most likely volunteered to clear the air, but we, because yes I am a dirty liberal, don't do that. WHY? Because we attempt to INFORM ourselves thoroughly with FACTS NOT FANTASY. Sometimes we may mix up the facts and figures, but for the most part, they're based on reality.
I am seriously tired of being hospitable to idiotic tendencies from anyone, dirty liberal, clean-cut conservative, my brother...(that was a joke). What with that backlash, perhaps there'll be another symbolic beat down of other literally unbelievable 'news' representatives...DON'T STOP AT DOBBS!!!
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Posted by: eyendall on Jul 31, 2009 7:53 AM
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» CNN is so bad, it's hard to debase
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Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Jul 31, 2009 8:02 AM
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What planet does their citizenship belong to???
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 31, 2009 8:16 AM
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Anna
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» RE: 'THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT' ?
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Posted by: Captain Moroni on Jul 31, 2009 8:18 AM
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What I believe you'll fail to realize is that many like myself care about our Constitutional Republic, our Constitution ,and our free market system. These define who we are as Americans from all other peoples past and present. I don't care what party is involved, what color of skin, etc.
I do care about seeing before my eyes the turning of the USA into a land that no longer respects rule by law and the Constitution as the law's foundation: from changing our free market system and political system into a FASCIST dictroship. Haven't we yet learned what results fascism brings to the desturction of personal liberty???
Now, if your goals are NOT the same as mine, just say so and I'll understand where you're coming from. OK?
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» My goals are not the same as yours. Yours are crazy.
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» Hey, Moron ...
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» Outstanding comments!
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» President Obama already showed his birth certificate to the important people who
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» Please Cappy Moroni, don't ever go away...........
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» What do you think of this Brigham Young quote?"...the law of God in regard to the African race"
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Posted by: jal64 on Jul 31, 2009 8:23 AM
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What Rush or Lou say is not what keeps the legs under this topic. It's BO's intransigence.
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» RE: Obviously, if that would stop the nonsense, the nonsense would have stopped.
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» RE: Obviously, if that would stop the nonsense, the nonsense would have stopped.
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» RE: Obviously, if that would stop the nonsense, the nonsense would have stopped.
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» nonsense is like dope to you, jal64
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Posted by: Lex Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 8:44 AM
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» You win the pointless creativity award.
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» And your point is ... ?
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» TIN FOIL HAT MALFUNCTION ALERT!!!!!
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» Lex Thomas, Private Eye!
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» Republican alert! The 2nd sure sign of a Republican!
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» Thanks for describing Obama for me.
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Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Jul 31, 2009 9:18 AM
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» Go on couch potato. There's plenty of idiots here ready to share the stupid moment with you.
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Posted by: pdxlinuxchix on Jul 31, 2009 9:19 AM
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What I'm driving at is this: there's a non-trivial difference between people with a rational and healthy skepticism and those who are skeptical and engaged in what Hofstaeder called "the paranoid style of American politics". The difference is this: there is evidence that *could* be presented to me that would convince me that, for instance, evolutionary biology is wrong. I have not seen that evidence and the falsification criteria I have is firmly within the mainstream of biological thought (I'm a biologist by training and vocation). That criteria has not, at present be met, but if it ever is I would, however difficult it is, abandon evolutionary biology. However, for Birthers, there is simply NO amount of evidence that would falsify their hypothesis for him. If the state of Hawaii produces affidavits from every single person who *might* have had contact with the infant Obama, Birthers will say "isn't that convenient. What are the odds that they could *really* find all of those people". If the nurses were found but it was found that the doctor died in 1963, the birthers will say "now isn't that convenient that the attending physician just so happened to die". Because they are starting from a premise and the only thing that counts as evidence are those items that confirm their premise. Anything that disconfirms it, no matter how authoritative the document may be and no matter how solid the provenance of that document or source, is by its very definition not evidence because it disconfirms what they already believe. In fact, the more solid the provenance of the document the less likely the birthers will be to believe it because they will argue that a document that is 48 years old where the provenance is absolutely incontrovertible is very unlikely and thus suspicious while a document where the provenance has breaks in the chain is *also* suspicious.
Cheers
A
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