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Big Business Is Aiding the Internet Crackdown in Iran and China -- Will the Technology Be Used on Americans Next?
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Tools of mass communication that were once the province of governments and corporations now fit in your pocket. Cell phones can capture video and send it wirelessly to the Internet. People can send eyewitness accounts, photos and videos, with a few keystrokes, to thousands or even millions via social networking sites. As these technologies have developed, so too has the ability to monitor, filter, censor and block them.
A Wall Street Journal report this week claimed that the "Iranian regime has developed, with the assistance of European telecommunications companies, one of the world's most sophisticated mechanisms for controlling and censoring the Internet, allowing it to examine the content of individual online communications on a massive scale." The article named Nokia Siemens Networks as the provider of equipment capable of "deep packet inspection." DPI, according to the Electronic Privacy Information Center, "enables Internet Service Providers to intercept virtually all of their customers' Internet activity, including Web surfing data, e-mail and peer-to-peer downloads."
Nokia Siemens has refuted the allegation, saying in a press release that the company "has provided Lawful Intercept capability solely for the monitoring of local voice calls in Iran." It is this issue, of what is legal, that must be addressed. "Lawful intercept" means that people can be monitored, located and censored. Global standards need to be adopted that protect the freedom to communicate, to dissent.
China has very sophisticated Internet monitoring and censoring capabilities, referred to as "the Great Firewall of China," which attracted increased attention prior to the 2008 Summer Olympic Games. A document leaked before a U.S. Senate human rights hearing implicated Cisco, a California-based maker of Internet routers, in marketing to the Chinese government to accommodate monitoring and censorship goals. The Chinese government now requires any computer sold there after July 1, 2009, to include software called "Green Dam," which critics say will further empower the government to monitor Internet use.
Josh Silver, executive director of Free Press, a media policy group, says the actions of Iran and China should alert us to domestic surveillance issues in the U.S. He told me: "This technology that monitors everything that goes through the Internet is something that works, it's readily available, and there's no legislation in the United States that prevents the U.S. government from employing it. ... It's widely known that the major carriers, particularly AT&T and Verizon, were being asked by the NSA [National Security Agency], by the Bush administration ... to deploy off-the-shelf technology made by some of these companies like Cisco." The equipment formed the backbone of the "warrantless wiretapping" program.
Thomas Tamm was the Justice Department lawyer who blew the whistle on that program. In 2004, he called The New York Times from a subway pay phone and told reporter Eric Lichtblau about the existence of a secret domestic surveillance program. In 2007, the FBI raided his home and seized three computers and personal files. He still faces possible prosecution.
Tamm told me: "I think I put my country first ... our government is still violating the law. I'm convinced ... that a lot more Americans have been illegally wiretapped than we know."
The warrantless wiretapping program was widely considered illegal. After abruptly switching his position in midcampaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama voted along with most in Congress to grant telecom companies like AT&T and Verizon retroactive immunity from prosecution. The New York Times recently reported that the NSA maintains a database called Pinwale, with millions of intercepted e-mail, including some from former President Bill Clinton.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder was recently asked by Sen. Russ Feingold if he felt that the original warrantless wiretap program was illegal:
Feingold: "[I]s there any doubt in your mind that the warrantless wiretapping program was illegal?"
Holder: "Well, I think that the warrantless wiretapping program, as it existed at that point, was certainly unwise, in that it was put together without the approval of Congress."
Feingold: "But I asked you, Mr. Attorney General, not whether it was unwise, but whether you consider it to have been illegal."
Holder: "The policy was an unwise one."
Dissenters in Iran and China persist despite repression that is enabled in part by equipment from U.S. and European companies. In the U.S., the Obama administration is following a dangerous path with Bush-era spy programs that should be suspended and prosecuted, not extended and defended.
Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.
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Posted by: Ishmael1 on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 AM
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http://www.eff.org/cases/hepting
I worked in the same 611 Folsom St. Office as Klein for 10 years in the 1980s. After reading Klein's affadavit, including the engineering documentation he provided, I can categorically state that the ONLY way warrantless wiretaps can work, BY DESIGN, is to monitor ALL domestic communications traffic, both voice and data going through those optical splitters.
The claim that this is for overseas traffic is a canard since 611 Folsom St. had NO overseas circuits going through that office when I was there. I know this because all outgoing traffic went onto the fiberoptic systems I was responsible for maintaining. If such a system was for purely overseas traffic, the secret NSA room wouldn't be in any San Francisco office, but at offices like the Transpac cable termination office in Los Osos, near Morro Bay.
Of particular interest to me is page 17 of the affadavit where it lists the OCC(Other Common Carrier) customers of A.T.&T. whose circuits were also being monitored. Companies like Level3, Allegiance, Cable & Wireless, Sprint, Qwest and others as well as every one of THEIR customers using those circuits were going to the NSA. I also remind you that the NSA was expressly forbidden from monitoring ANY domestic telecommunications traffic at ANY time.
When I first started in telecomm in 1980, I had to sign papers stating that I was subject to firing, civil AND criminal penalties under the Communications Act of 1934 if I revealed the contents of ANY communications I overheard in the performance of my job. Also in the 1980's was the Total Information Awareness program the Poindexter was trying to establish under Reagan. That system is now a fact. That is WHY telecom immunity was so vital. EVERYONE'S communications is now monitored by the NSA all the time.
So, in closing, I'll say this. If you have any information you want to keep secret, don't talk on the phone or send an e-mail or use any telecommunications device under any circumstances. That includes any proprietary information or industrial trade secrets because the NSA has those too.
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Posted by: weathered on Jun 25, 2009 3:01 AM
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'by deceit we wage war' indeed.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 AM
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You have decided that you will not bring any information about the lies of 911 to the American people.
I began watching your show, DemocracyNow! after 911. I learned about the lies of WMD before other Americans through your program. I learned a lot more that the msm would not present. I trusted you, spread the word about your show, and helped support your efforts.
And then I realized it: you are like the others. You decided that the overwhelming evidence that we were lied to about 911 was not acceptable to broadcast. You CENSORED the news. You and many other alternative media. You haven't even brought to us the new scientific paper that shows that nanothermite was found in the dust samples of the WTC. That and other issues prove that 911 was an inside job.
Are you threatened, Amy? Are you pressured? Are you bribed with huge financial support with the backing of huge international corporations or proIsrael groups that may not want 911 truth information to come out? It wouldn't take much for them to make you obey.........you have huge operating costs and it is hard to get money. What are your foundational support groups? Who do they work for?
Amy, my kids used to kid me about how in love with you I was, as I was always watching your show. I depended on you.
You have let me down.
And your country down.
You, you alone, could change the world. You could stop the wars, the rendition, the torture, reverse the Patriot Act, and shut down Homeland Security.
Just make a major effort to spread the word about the TRUTH we have discovered about 911.
That will set it all ablaze.........the whole media. You have the following to get it all started. I don't.
The future is in your hands, Amy. You have reneged on your responsibilities, but there is still time.
Please consider.
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Posted by: cplot on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 AM
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Well it is not exactly legislation and it has been ignored for decades, but the US Constitution has an obscure passage on this issue:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Back when we took this antique document seriously this meant that the government could not search through private effects (and this would extend to electronics) of anyone. The government was prohibited from doing so unless a warrant had been issued upon probable cause, by oath or affirmation and describing the precise things to be searched and searched for.
Obviously the US Constitution doesn't represent the supreme law of the land in the US anymore, but back when it did, that might count as something preventing the US from doing what it now does (and FISA doesn't count since FISA clearly ignores the constitution as well.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 25, 2009 6:51 AM
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The idea that Western Intelligence Agencies can monitor communications over the Internet is also largely irrelevant. The content of 99.99999% of Internet traffic is just banal chatter and of no interest whatsoever - except to the people communicating.
The real dangers of the Internet come from websites like Facebook, Myspace & Twitter - where people from a young age are encouraged into a culture to reveal the most personal intimate details about themselves. On top of this - if you have a bank account or credit card - all your transactions are recorded and potentially visible to even call centre staff in Foreign Countries. Whilst in the UK - your travel everywhere is extensively monitored - automatically by number plate recognition systems - and even in London - by Travel Cards on public Transport.
This means that if someone actually wants to find virtually everything about you - and they have sufficient access or means to achieve it - then they can far more easily than used to be possible.
You might think - but so what - I've done nothing illegal - and don't care who can monitor my entire existence.
But you might say something on Facebook at the age of 15, that at the age of 23, you really do not want your potential employer to know about.
But your potential employer - may already have recorded on their own computer databases absolutely everything you have ever written about yourself - even if you have subsequently deleted it.
However, there is the reverse danger. If you don't actually participate on these social websites - you might be excluded from potential employment - because you have no history - and are perceived to be a non-person - or someone with something to hide.
To give a further example...
My daughter was arrested when she was 15, whilst doing absolutely nothing wrong. She was never charged with any offence - but had her DNA taken - and is on the UK Police National Database. If she tries to travel to America on the normal visa-waiver program - and doesn't declare that she was arrested - she will almost certainly be refused entry to the US and be given a life time ban. Yet she is not a criminal and has done absolutely nothing wrong.
US immigration authorites have access to the UK Police National Database. The British Government has been ordered to remove her details - and Millions of others - never charged with any offence by the European Court of Human Rights - but they have so far refused.
Tony
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 AM
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A liberal friend of mine just a couple days ago actually told me, when I broke the news about the domestic spying to him, that I was being "paranoid" and mentally ill.
Also, the article misses at least one key fact. Not only can "deep packet inspection" -- what the Iranians are accused of using, and what the US likely is using as well -- be used to spy and censor the data-stream, but it can be used to CHANGE the data-stream as well.
Are you REALLY sure what your friends supposedly told you in their emails was what they really said? We can't be sure anymore. And that will someday soon -- if it doesn't already -- apply to voice, images, and video too, not just to emails and texts.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 AM
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But the one thing that I learned in pursuing that lawsuit is that our privacy, in light of advancing technology, has been a serious concern among jurists since 1890, when Samuel D. Warren and Luis D. Brandeis wrote their famous law review article, “The Right to Privacy,”
outlining the necessary Constitutional changes that would have to be made in order to protect the right to privacy in the wake of rapidly advancing technology. Unfortunately there have been no Constitutional amendments since 1890 and for the most part the right to privacy has been systematically eroded ever since that time. So you have 120 years of precedence now impeding the way to legal challenges to the government’s invasion of the privacy of its citizens. The Harvard Law Review article can be read at http://www.abolish- alimony.org/content/privacy/Right- to- Privacy- Brandeis-Warren-1890.pdf; take out the spaces I had to insert because of 60 character limit to any word posted on Alternet.
I would like to revisit this case because when I pulled the plug on it in 2005, the City Attorney thanked me for doing so because, I would guess, my points of law were right on target, and I was causing him to sweat just a little.
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Posted by: robertmc on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 AM
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This should carry the tag- "well, duh!".
OF COURSE, they are using this technology to spy on us. My question is why would you think differently? Where have you been the last 8 years?
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Posted by: biff777 on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 AM
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Wasn't Amazon.com one of the first known on blatantly tagging your system in the late 90's.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 25, 2009 10:10 AM
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Get this straight people, because I feel it's the one thing the argument of being spied on by the cops or the government forgets is a glaring, GIANT, fact everyone seems to have forgotten... the Internet is not private. Never, ever, was.
Even email is, at best, a postcard (if you need a metaphor).
Look, the kid next door is reading everything you do online, why can't the government? Or the police for that matter?
I say they can. If you want something online to be private, say you're a major business or even small one, then encrypt your important correspondence.
Laws the government want to inact, such as letting the police put 'spy taps' into ISPs (Internet Service Providers) without a warrant is just silly, showing the ignorance of the powers that be. I say they can watch everything I do and read every email I send from the comfort of their own offices. Why can't they?
The Internet is NOT private. No one ever said it was. You want privacy, use a land-line.
Of course, as this article points out, governments and police might want to STOP free communication. And that's wrong.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 AM
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All phone calls now use Internet Protocol for transmission. IP phones might seem new to many, but the phone companies have been busy transferring their phone traffic to the internet so that they don't have to maintain their massive switching networks.
Since the Internet has moved and is continuing to move to fiber optics and wireless transmission channels, it makes no sense to the phone companies to install duplicate systems, one for land line transmissions and one for wireless and internet transmissions. Both use the same satellite up and down links, wireless transmission channels, like microwave, and fiber optics cable where needed.
So you may think that your land line calls are still private and protected by the 4th Amendment; think again. It’s like the test for other privacy concerns, where, if there cannot be established a reasonable expectation of privacy, then the 4th Amendment doesn't apply.
That means if the police have the means to fly helicopters over your house, then you have no expectation of privacy in your back yard. If the police can monitor you with infrared technology inside your home, then you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in your home; well this one was successfully challenged and you still have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home, at least for the moment.
But if all phone transmissions are routed over the internet and it is de-coupled from land lines and piped over the internet and the internet is monitored by the government, then there can be no reasonable expectation of privacy of your land line phone conversations and I doubt that even now you could make a successful legal challenge to the monitoring of your private land line phone conversations.
The Constitution needs to be re-written to address all the abuses that new technology has ushered in or there is no Bill of Rights for anyone; period.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 AM
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among these was that since teh mid-1960s, systems for national and international sifting of all electronic comm in the world, by 'strings,' had been in the works. that's 35-50 years ago, folks.
in 2001, we had a business encounter of unpleasant result with a top programmer who told us of working on massive global surveillance such as NSA's echelon and FBI's carnivore. guess he's been working on TIA (DARPA's Total Information Awareness which had a name change to Terrorist Information Awareness after 911...)
we are the true visible men. it knows what you do with your genitals and fantasies; what your opinions about everything are. they know where we live... and they spit on 'rights.' big gobs of obamabush phlegm right on our faces.
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Posted by: rafaeltoral on Jun 25, 2009 5:06 PM
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You are now fully inodoctrinated.
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Posted by: eidolon on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 PM
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What Actually Happened in the Iranian Presidential Election? A Hard Look at the Numbers
Another illuminating article from the AFP:
US Senators vow help for Iran dissidents
However, I also think Amy makes good points. It's a strange situation.
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Posted by: mnstra on Jun 27, 2009 12:58 PM
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This too will pass don't buy into the Iranian Bull. crap or Amy's anxiety news trip. She did little to confront the power elite when she was arrested at the DNC, she Just complained.... on and on.
. Get on with you lives. Some day it will be 2020. and here we will be.,.
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Posted by: Ishmael1 on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 AM
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http://www.eff.org/cases/hepting
I worked in the same 611 Folsom St. Office as Klein for 10 years in the 1980s. After reading Klein's affadavit, including the engineering documentation he provided, I can categorically state that the ONLY way warrantless wiretaps can work, BY DESIGN, is to monitor ALL domestic communications traffic, both voice and data going through those optical splitters.
The claim that this is for overseas traffic is a canard since 611 Folsom St. had NO overseas circuits going through that office when I was there. I know this because all outgoing traffic went onto the fiberoptic systems I was responsible for maintaining. If such a system was for purely overseas traffic, the secret NSA room wouldn't be in any San Francisco office, but at offices like the Transpac cable termination office in Los Osos, near Morro Bay.
Of particular interest to me is page 17 of the affadavit where it lists the OCC(Other Common Carrier) customers of A.T.&T. whose circuits were also being monitored. Companies like Level3, Allegiance, Cable & Wireless, Sprint, Qwest and others as well as every one of THEIR customers using those circuits were going to the NSA. I also remind you that the NSA was expressly forbidden from monitoring ANY domestic telecommunications traffic at ANY time.
When I first started in telecomm in 1980, I had to sign papers stating that I was subject to firing, civil AND criminal penalties under the Communications Act of 1934 if I revealed the contents of ANY communications I overheard in the performance of my job. Also in the 1980's was the Total Information Awareness program the Poindexter was trying to establish under Reagan. That system is now a fact. That is WHY telecom immunity was so vital. EVERYONE'S communications is now monitored by the NSA all the time.
So, in closing, I'll say this. If you have any information you want to keep secret, don't talk on the phone or send an e-mail or use any telecommunications device under any circumstances. That includes any proprietary information or industrial trade secrets because the NSA has those too.
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Posted by: weathered on Jun 25, 2009 3:01 AM
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'by deceit we wage war' indeed.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 AM
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You have decided that you will not bring any information about the lies of 911 to the American people.
I began watching your show, DemocracyNow! after 911. I learned about the lies of WMD before other Americans through your program. I learned a lot more that the msm would not present. I trusted you, spread the word about your show, and helped support your efforts.
And then I realized it: you are like the others. You decided that the overwhelming evidence that we were lied to about 911 was not acceptable to broadcast. You CENSORED the news. You and many other alternative media. You haven't even brought to us the new scientific paper that shows that nanothermite was found in the dust samples of the WTC. That and other issues prove that 911 was an inside job.
Are you threatened, Amy? Are you pressured? Are you bribed with huge financial support with the backing of huge international corporations or proIsrael groups that may not want 911 truth information to come out? It wouldn't take much for them to make you obey.........you have huge operating costs and it is hard to get money. What are your foundational support groups? Who do they work for?
Amy, my kids used to kid me about how in love with you I was, as I was always watching your show. I depended on you.
You have let me down.
And your country down.
You, you alone, could change the world. You could stop the wars, the rendition, the torture, reverse the Patriot Act, and shut down Homeland Security.
Just make a major effort to spread the word about the TRUTH we have discovered about 911.
That will set it all ablaze.........the whole media. You have the following to get it all started. I don't.
The future is in your hands, Amy. You have reneged on your responsibilities, but there is still time.
Please consider.
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Posted by: cplot on Jun 25, 2009 6:18 AM
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Well it is not exactly legislation and it has been ignored for decades, but the US Constitution has an obscure passage on this issue:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Back when we took this antique document seriously this meant that the government could not search through private effects (and this would extend to electronics) of anyone. The government was prohibited from doing so unless a warrant had been issued upon probable cause, by oath or affirmation and describing the precise things to be searched and searched for.
Obviously the US Constitution doesn't represent the supreme law of the land in the US anymore, but back when it did, that might count as something preventing the US from doing what it now does (and FISA doesn't count since FISA clearly ignores the constitution as well.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 25, 2009 6:51 AM
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The idea that Western Intelligence Agencies can monitor communications over the Internet is also largely irrelevant. The content of 99.99999% of Internet traffic is just banal chatter and of no interest whatsoever - except to the people communicating.
The real dangers of the Internet come from websites like Facebook, Myspace & Twitter - where people from a young age are encouraged into a culture to reveal the most personal intimate details about themselves. On top of this - if you have a bank account or credit card - all your transactions are recorded and potentially visible to even call centre staff in Foreign Countries. Whilst in the UK - your travel everywhere is extensively monitored - automatically by number plate recognition systems - and even in London - by Travel Cards on public Transport.
This means that if someone actually wants to find virtually everything about you - and they have sufficient access or means to achieve it - then they can far more easily than used to be possible.
You might think - but so what - I've done nothing illegal - and don't care who can monitor my entire existence.
But you might say something on Facebook at the age of 15, that at the age of 23, you really do not want your potential employer to know about.
But your potential employer - may already have recorded on their own computer databases absolutely everything you have ever written about yourself - even if you have subsequently deleted it.
However, there is the reverse danger. If you don't actually participate on these social websites - you might be excluded from potential employment - because you have no history - and are perceived to be a non-person - or someone with something to hide.
To give a further example...
My daughter was arrested when she was 15, whilst doing absolutely nothing wrong. She was never charged with any offence - but had her DNA taken - and is on the UK Police National Database. If she tries to travel to America on the normal visa-waiver program - and doesn't declare that she was arrested - she will almost certainly be refused entry to the US and be given a life time ban. Yet she is not a criminal and has done absolutely nothing wrong.
US immigration authorites have access to the UK Police National Database. The British Government has been ordered to remove her details - and Millions of others - never charged with any offence by the European Court of Human Rights - but they have so far refused.
Tony
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 AM
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A liberal friend of mine just a couple days ago actually told me, when I broke the news about the domestic spying to him, that I was being "paranoid" and mentally ill.
Also, the article misses at least one key fact. Not only can "deep packet inspection" -- what the Iranians are accused of using, and what the US likely is using as well -- be used to spy and censor the data-stream, but it can be used to CHANGE the data-stream as well.
Are you REALLY sure what your friends supposedly told you in their emails was what they really said? We can't be sure anymore. And that will someday soon -- if it doesn't already -- apply to voice, images, and video too, not just to emails and texts.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 AM
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But the one thing that I learned in pursuing that lawsuit is that our privacy, in light of advancing technology, has been a serious concern among jurists since 1890, when Samuel D. Warren and Luis D. Brandeis wrote their famous law review article, “The Right to Privacy,”
outlining the necessary Constitutional changes that would have to be made in order to protect the right to privacy in the wake of rapidly advancing technology. Unfortunately there have been no Constitutional amendments since 1890 and for the most part the right to privacy has been systematically eroded ever since that time. So you have 120 years of precedence now impeding the way to legal challenges to the government’s invasion of the privacy of its citizens. The Harvard Law Review article can be read at http://www.abolish- alimony.org/content/privacy/Right- to- Privacy- Brandeis-Warren-1890.pdf; take out the spaces I had to insert because of 60 character limit to any word posted on Alternet.
I would like to revisit this case because when I pulled the plug on it in 2005, the City Attorney thanked me for doing so because, I would guess, my points of law were right on target, and I was causing him to sweat just a little.
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Posted by: robertmc on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 AM
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This should carry the tag- "well, duh!".
OF COURSE, they are using this technology to spy on us. My question is why would you think differently? Where have you been the last 8 years?
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Posted by: biff777 on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 AM
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Wasn't Amazon.com one of the first known on blatantly tagging your system in the late 90's.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 25, 2009 10:10 AM
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Get this straight people, because I feel it's the one thing the argument of being spied on by the cops or the government forgets is a glaring, GIANT, fact everyone seems to have forgotten... the Internet is not private. Never, ever, was.
Even email is, at best, a postcard (if you need a metaphor).
Look, the kid next door is reading everything you do online, why can't the government? Or the police for that matter?
I say they can. If you want something online to be private, say you're a major business or even small one, then encrypt your important correspondence.
Laws the government want to inact, such as letting the police put 'spy taps' into ISPs (Internet Service Providers) without a warrant is just silly, showing the ignorance of the powers that be. I say they can watch everything I do and read every email I send from the comfort of their own offices. Why can't they?
The Internet is NOT private. No one ever said it was. You want privacy, use a land-line.
Of course, as this article points out, governments and police might want to STOP free communication. And that's wrong.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 AM
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All phone calls now use Internet Protocol for transmission. IP phones might seem new to many, but the phone companies have been busy transferring their phone traffic to the internet so that they don't have to maintain their massive switching networks.
Since the Internet has moved and is continuing to move to fiber optics and wireless transmission channels, it makes no sense to the phone companies to install duplicate systems, one for land line transmissions and one for wireless and internet transmissions. Both use the same satellite up and down links, wireless transmission channels, like microwave, and fiber optics cable where needed.
So you may think that your land line calls are still private and protected by the 4th Amendment; think again. It’s like the test for other privacy concerns, where, if there cannot be established a reasonable expectation of privacy, then the 4th Amendment doesn't apply.
That means if the police have the means to fly helicopters over your house, then you have no expectation of privacy in your back yard. If the police can monitor you with infrared technology inside your home, then you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in your home; well this one was successfully challenged and you still have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home, at least for the moment.
But if all phone transmissions are routed over the internet and it is de-coupled from land lines and piped over the internet and the internet is monitored by the government, then there can be no reasonable expectation of privacy of your land line phone conversations and I doubt that even now you could make a successful legal challenge to the monitoring of your private land line phone conversations.
The Constitution needs to be re-written to address all the abuses that new technology has ushered in or there is no Bill of Rights for anyone; period.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 AM
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among these was that since teh mid-1960s, systems for national and international sifting of all electronic comm in the world, by 'strings,' had been in the works. that's 35-50 years ago, folks.
in 2001, we had a business encounter of unpleasant result with a top programmer who told us of working on massive global surveillance such as NSA's echelon and FBI's carnivore. guess he's been working on TIA (DARPA's Total Information Awareness which had a name change to Terrorist Information Awareness after 911...)
we are the true visible men. it knows what you do with your genitals and fantasies; what your opinions about everything are. they know where we live... and they spit on 'rights.' big gobs of obamabush phlegm right on our faces.
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Posted by: rafaeltoral on Jun 25, 2009 5:06 PM
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You are now fully inodoctrinated.
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What Actually Happened in the Iranian Presidential Election? A Hard Look at the Numbers
Another illuminating article from the AFP:
US Senators vow help for Iran dissidents
However, I also think Amy makes good points. It's a strange situation.
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Posted by: mnstra on Jun 27, 2009 12:58 PM
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This too will pass don't buy into the Iranian Bull. crap or Amy's anxiety news trip. She did little to confront the power elite when she was arrested at the DNC, she Just complained.... on and on.
. Get on with you lives. Some day it will be 2020. and here we will be.,.
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