You are absolutely correct. It is ABSURD for Letterman to have apologized, and worse for anybody to think that he should have. Palin lost any right to complain about her daughter being made fun of when she put her own daughter in the middle of the target by parading her around at the convention. What kind of a mother would do such a thing to her daughter? White trash maybe? Letterman did nothing wrong.

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On right-wing message boards, girls/woman who have sex and/or get pregnant out of wedlock are commonly referred to as "sluts." It was kind of embarrassing, to say the least, when Sarah Palin's (who was, if you do the math, also knocked up before she got married)daughter, Bristol the SLUT, was also in that condition. Does anyone think that Willow (God, where do they get those names?) is sexually active already (and probably has been for some time) and will soon be in the same condition? Like mother, like daughters--

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I say the odds are good. Even Brittany Spears' younger sister had joined this "club".

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It was as tasteless as McCain's joke about Chelsea Clinton being ugly because her father was Janet Reno. Whether or not it was intended to be directed at the older or younger daughter is irrelevant. Letterman or one of his writers or producers should have known better.

Palin is a sideshow but attacking children, even ones so obviously fucked up as the Palin family is beyond the pale. Ultimately it hurts the progressive movement because now Palin and Co get to play the victim for the next few years as being "attacked by the vast left wing conspiracy". Many people on the left don't seem to realize how tenuous this majority we have. It can be taken away from us just as easily as it was obtained if we keep doing stupid childish shit like this.

The Republicans held the majority for over a decade DESPITE being a complete crime syndicate. They were only tossed out of office when the people in the center decided that they were sick of Republican nonsense. The left and right are both factions and the large majority of people are between the two extremes. Piss those people off at your own peril and pulling childish BS like this will do exactly that.

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That alone should be the subject of prime time news.

oh and screw that slutty flight attendant. Just because some hick governor doesn't get New York humor doesn't really mean dick.

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Quote::"9) Fox News' Sean Hannity, for hosting "Internet journalist" Andy Martin, who once called a judge a "crooked, slimy Jew, who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race.""
Sean Hannity and Andy Martin should be sued for slander of the Jewisch race.
Iam disgusted

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It's a good sign in Neocon's desperate times when they lash out blindly at anybody for any reason anywhere and whenever they can.

A wild band of drunk monkeys in a poorly padded cage. Look at 'em go-o-o-o!! You can't take them seriously...

Someday they'll grow up and get over the hate. Keep up the good work, everybody!

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Soon these guys will be seen for the shills and minions they are. I look forward to the time when they get NO press. I confess I didn't read this article. Goldman Sachs

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I can't believe Ann the man Coulter didn't make the List . This is a "woman" who makes jokes about Decorated amputees . Still she has been out of the news lately

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An apology didn't help Imus for a comment that was much less offensive than this.

He can and does make some pretty edgy jokes about Palin - she should expect it like any politician, they put themselves out there, but their kids don't.

Letterman went way over the line.. Palin handled it right making Letterman like what he is..a "has been" "comedian"!

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Yes they should even the Kennedys

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Let's add reverend Jeremiah Wright's comment about those "Jews" not letting him get to talk to Obama. And this guy was his spiritual leader?

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Hey there fellow AlterNetters....

When you have a moment or two, have a look at what I wrote on this very silly subject on AlterNet's PEEK section last week.

Here's a link:

more>Letterman and Palin: An American Anti-Love Story

Cheers!

Tom Degan

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I haven't heard one bit of outrage that someone would joke about Alex R. basically raping a 14 year old. That's a little outrageous. To use his name in that way. But, no one seems to care about that.

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It seems like every day I read a story of how one or another conservative group is offended by jokes or factual statements, while in the same breath whining about the ACLU and 'politically correct' liberals. They are a bunch of whining, self-aborbed children, and the only reason they're given attention is because they WON'T. SHUT. UP. About anything, ever. Shame on David Letterman for apologizing, and will somebody please tell Sarah Palin that her 15 minutes of fame are already over???

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Shit that goes around comes around, sarah.

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If find Sarah Palin Offensive. She used her kid not only as Stage props throughout the campaign, she used them as a reason to elect her. Has she learned women don't just vote for other women because their Uterus' work?
She even went so far as to violate her own daughters right to privacy. To hear she was pregnant was one thing, but to drag her out to show everyone how her pregnancy was progressing was utterly indefensible.
Worse yet is her story of the birth of her youngest! Water breaks while carrying a compromised baby (if true) and she gives a speech, then drives past numerous hospitals, only to get on a 6 hour flight to drive past more hospitals to give birth in some BFE hospital in Wassila. Ever heard of Fetal Distress, Sarah? Think you should have sought medical attention, an Ultrasound, a Fetal Monitor??
Frankly I have serious questions if that child had the Downs' gene or was denied O2 during birth because of Sarahs Reckless endangerment.
Sarah Palin was not just a Horrid Candidate, she is a Horrid mother. Endangers her unborn child, uses her kids for her own ambitions and fails to educate her daughter on birth control.

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The people mentioned should not even get "air" time IMO. And as for Palin -- an entertainer like Letterman should not speak, but she can allow people to scream at her rallies to kill Obama, uses incendiary comments as "pallin around with terrorists", and other great untruths just to try to get points. Letterman should take Palin to task for an apology as her protesters called his son a bastard and wife a slut, and insinuated he was a pedophile. That sounds pretty bad to me. Sarah -- apologize for your words or the words on your behalf as well!

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So when a full family appears on a stage to show support for their mother, who just happens to be the first Republican Woman VP candidate, the daughter who is with with child should stay home and hide? Then it would be said, "is Gov. Palin hiding her daughter."

CHOICE Purplegirl...means CHOICE. Perhaps when you are confronted with reality and not this dream world of purple you live in, you will learn what CHOICE means.

Mr. perfect President has had his children with him,and has given interviews with them, to get the cute vote as well. Have you seen the new releases over the week-end of him and his two cute daughters? Leads one to wonder why he needs to remind us that he is a wonderful father of two cute young ladies.

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hmm....for someone(Palin) who's supposed to be so 'infignicant' according to the right, she seems to be continually in the news(thanks to Letterman and others--jokes or otherwise)...I would think that if the right had more pressing issues to move on, they'd simply drop references to her altogether!?!...The more you stir the pot, the more press she gets, and like it or not, to a pretty large part of the voters who do like her..and to others who may start to like her a little more now than before due to the off color comments about her family...like it or not, those kinds of things can still backfire on ya.

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The joke, by one of Letterman's gag writers, was mostly about Bristol Palin, who had a baby by her boyfriend and got paraded around in the press for a year. It was also about A-Rod, who is a philanderer.

Six months ago Governor Palin came all-out over the media and announced that Obama had used the term, "lipstick on a pig" about the budget, which obviously had to refer negatively to her because she was a woman. So on behalf of all women Obama should apologize.

It soon came out that Hillary Clinton had used the term "lipstick on a pig". Worse, John McCain had used the term "lipstick on a pig". So basically Governor Palin was full of baloney, making stuff up out of whole cloth so that she could feel offended.

This time Governor Palin brought up the fact that Bristol Palin didn't make the trip but Willow Palin did, so obviously Letterman meant to imply that underage girls should be raped.

I think that Letterman's gag writers had no idea which daughters were at the Yankee game and which weren't. Neither did the public at the time. Everybody got the gag as written. I didn't pick up the slightest intimation of rape in the gag line.

I think it's more likely that Governor Palin keeps an enemies list, and Letterman really made the list after McCain stiffed Letterman one night and ran off to do a sexier interview with Katie Couric. Letterman really let McCain have it.

Palin has not learned to never pick a fight with a fool. The best you can hope for is to vanquish a fool.

Finally, I would like to pigpile on the "Dave, in general you're not that funny" schtick. Oh wait, I said the magic word, "pig!" Rush Limbaugh is deeply offended on behalf of all pigs everywhere.

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Like that two wrongs don't make a right.

First though (in order to do that) you have to buy the premise that Letterman was wrong.

HEAR ME NOW LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!!!! HE WAS NOT WRONG IT WAS JUST A JOKE!!!!!!! (all caps meant for those who despite my best efforts still seem to miss the main points of my posts......)

Anyway, it does no good, your argument holds no credence, does not stand on firm ground, has no moral basis, when it is simply "But, he did it first!" or "But, they do it too!".

We must remain above the fray. We must take the moral high ground. Always.

In this case we should simply be saying "Um, overreaction people. This is humor." And (as it is obviously necessary) we should be defining humor and providing numerous relevant historical examples.

In other words, we should be doing what Letterman himself did (which was CLASSIC!). He owned the material, defined it as humor, mock apologized (it was hilarious!) and then repeated the jokes to show all of us what the fuss was all about--and to show us an example of what humor was.

What you didn't hear Letterman doing was whining "They did it first!". If he didn't, why should we?

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...to stay up and watch.

Let the horse dung fly if that's what serves to entertain you, I suppose.

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Whew! How big can hypocrisy grow? Watch the extreme - does liberalism, so-called, have a moderate faction - left.

But thanks to the author for a good laugh.

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She tasted blood when she was nominated (for no other reason than she was younger than McCain and female) and she wants political power more than anything else.

She will be making political hay out of this for YEARS and she will gain sympathy from people because of it. You know how it is said that there is no such thing as bad publicity? Well that's true. This woman's 15 minutes of fame were up last December, yet she's still there and now because of Dave she gets to keep her face in people's living rooms.

The best possible thing we can do is ignore Palin completely with the exception of immediately and decisively correcting her when she says something stupid or outrageous. Allowing her to be shown in any positive or sympathetic light is only going to score her points with the idiots who voted for Bush twice and as I recall there were 51 million of those.

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SARAH PALIN IS THE BIGGEST IDIOT IN THE ENTIRE PLANET. WHEN WILL PEOPLE JUST IGNORE THE WHINY EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING. AND THE CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRITS WHO LOVE TO INSULT ANYONE NOT WITH THEM? THE NON PATRIOT PATRIOTS? WISH THEY WOULD ALL MOVE TO DUBAI, THE SILVER SINKING CITY WHICH IS JUST AS PHONY AS THEY ARE.

DAVID LETTERMAN IS FUNNY. HE IS CUTE. HE IS FOR REAL. AND I LOVE HIS JOKES. AND YES HE SHOULD LEAVE KIDS OUT OF HIS JOKES, BUT HE SHOULD NEVER EVER HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THEM. MOST PEOPLE KNOW IT IS JUST A JOKE, FUNNY OR NOT.

BUT SARAH PALIN IS THE BIGGEST JOKE THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN. SO SUCK IT UP PIG SARAH. JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU, THE SAME HATE YOU. THE SAME THINK YOU ARE STUPID AND VERY VERY VERY DANGEROUS. STAY IN ALASKA. EVEN ALASKANS HATE YOU AND THINK YOU ARE STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. INARTICULATE, MINDLESS, UGLY, SELFISH, HYPOCRITICAL, SATANIC.....AND DID I MENTION STTTTUUUPPID...

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To be honest, I did not hear any of these right-wing slanders myself. Why?

These people have an audience of fools and I am not a fool. If you could see the names and addresses of all those who tune in for each show you would have a list of the dumbest people on earth. ( This does not include smart people who listen just to be able to report their slanders to the rest of us )

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"He's a gap-toothed, late night comedian, and he's in justifiably hot water with conservatives for making some pretty vile jokes."

I dispute this statement. I heard the jokes. Both of them. Tasteless, yes. Vile? Nothing near as vile as what came out of Palin's mouth during her campaign. Nothing near as vile as the hipocrisy of Palin and her stand on women's rights.

If you thrust yourself and your kids into the public arena, you have to understand that some of the people will say things you don't agree with; people may ridicule you and your beliefs and behaviors, and even those of your children.

There is too much assumption with the Letterman jokes. The public and the Palins jumped a shark. And there were other parties included in those jokes, who by the way, did not come out in public outrage.

I say this is much ado about nothing. They were jokes. Jokes.

The first thing to go in cultic thinking is a sense of humor.

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Well my feeling is that since both the Palin family members are adults and Christians and should forgive Dave and say so publicly if they were offended. How great a testimony to the Lord she serves so faithfully that would be.

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The ENTIRE PALIN CLAN is a huge white trash joke!! Why doesn't anyone ever ask her about the group her husband belongs to who wants to secede from the union? She as DUMB as a box of rocks and doesn't look all that hot the closer you get to her. She paraded her kids out in public, lied about the shot gun wedding the never happened, then her kid goes on an ABSTINENCE campaign!!! WTF....comedians couldn't even write this stuff. I'm SO HAPPY that these ass backwards hillbillies in the Republitard party think that this dumb trick is the new voice of hope and leadership for the party. I say bring her slow azz on. We'll kick her sorry ass yet again in 2012.

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The media masters are looking for reasons to bring Palin on. She's a walking disaster, a sound bite whose only purpose is to generate more sound bites; she is the nuclear core of the noise machine. She's the ultimate troll of real-space; Distraction incarnate.

I've lost count of the number of times she's been paraded out to end the rational debate and replace it with pointing of fingers and yelling. It's what she's best at, and as long as we keep looking and opening links that say "Palin does x stupid thing", we'll keep seeing it.

Do you remember when Obama was elected and we sat here and talked about what change would look like? Well, where did that go? Why have we returned to the inanity of personal attacks against irrelevant personalities, shamefully descending from the genuine and progressive debates we were having in November and December? How are we going to move our progressive agenda forward, now that we are clearly not going to be championed by President Obama? That needs our focus, not this bullshit that doesn't even deserve coverage on TMZ.

If you want to move on, DO IT! Don't read articles about Sarah Palin. Don't comment on articles about Sarah Palin. Discourage other commentators from discussing Sarah Palin. Republicans are going extinct, and the only way they can be a threat is if we give them credibility by covering them in the media we consume.

It's frankly absurd that this topic gets the coverage it does. Shame on us.

Spot out.

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The spewing of sexist hatred by Lettermen seems to be OK here on Alternet???? You'll seem to have to justify this by saying that the right wing does it so can we.

That is very nonintellectual and highly shallow. I thought Progressives prided themselves on being rational, thoughtful, and thinking people???

I'm far from being a fan of Governor Palin. I voted for Bob Barr and I'm a strong Ron Paul supporter. I call myself a moderate libertarian. It is we folks who are the strongest defenders of our liberties under the Constitution. Progrssives seem to love big government at the expense of personbal liberty.

NOW and other feminist/womens organizations have critized Letterman's remarks as highly SEXIST. Help me to understand you'll's thinking

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Too much made over a joke made by a so so comedian. REALLY FOLKS there ar REAL ISSUES! How about stupid comments like "He's doing something. Something is better than nothing. Am I right folks?"

The something referred to the STUPID non STIMULUS and the BAILOUTS that put the US in debt that won't be paid off in my life time.

Remember, he is a comedian! The joke is on us and it isn't funny!

Better do nothing than due harm!

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What Letterman was saying was that this vulnerable young woman, whose life became public because of her mother's position in the land, is now Fair Game. Maybe if you were such a person, someone raised in a weird home, someone whose life took an unexpected and unwanted turn, someone growing up in a society where the attack rate on females is almost beyond belief and where absolutely nothing is done to prevent it, you might feel differently. Personally, I think Sarah Palin is a dangerous demagogue, but that in no way justifies a rich, white male going for cheap laughs at her daughter's expense. That poor girl must feel like shit, about now. But, hey, who cares? She's fair game now. Just ask Keith Olbermann and the rest of the guys with a national voice, har, har.

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Let's face it, kings and would be queens are made to be laughed at. Letterman's political humor , albeit a little rough around the edges, is no new thing. Governor Palin is a political animal who is no stranger to using her family issues as a spring board to visibility and her on version of celebrity. My recommendation, like the Trump and O'Donnell "feud", let the entertainment continue. All sides will love it. And, just think, the distraction will save us the real effort of community building.

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We are equating one stupid tasteless joke to daily purposeful venal pseudo intellectualism?

We are equating a comedian who makes a living making jokes with the purpose of making people laugh to people who foster hate, divisiveness, fear and scapegoating?

If you emotionally bought into this controversy you are a victim of right wing propaganda, or you are one of too many whose hate, bigotry and fear has extinguished your decency so you cheer people like Limbaugh.

You need to remember you live in the (still) greatest country in the world. The country that lets people say what they think regardless of content.

Empathy is a great tool. Try it on the war refugees, the ghetto poor, and the people that have no freedoms. There but for the grace of God...

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So, a comedian makes some jokes about a neocon moron's daughter who is legally an adult, and this begins a cascade of denunciations from the Flatulent Fools, whose job it is to stir up the pot and appeal to emotion as opposed to actual thought.
Lost in all this is the fact that Letterman is a true wit, fully capable of subtle hyperbole, and was making palin, and not her daughter the target of that wit. For all of you who see things the way fatheads like limberger do, may I suggest a course in remedial English?
As to who is behind all this, may I have the temerity to suggest it might just be the RULING class, you know-those with their hands out for government alms?

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Personally I do not care if the 'joke' is being made from the left or right, if it is sexist,racist etc it is wrong and should never been accepted.

Imus said something off the cuff and lost his job. Letterman is paid tens of millions of dollars and all his jokes are planned well in advance.

Once you allow one side to get away with such jokes you then make it so to be 'fair' jokes from the other side get told. Where does it stop.

Two wrongs do not make a right. And for adults to be doing this nonsense is so so sad.

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I agree that after over 30 years of reprehensible conservative rhetoric by the greater majority of right-wingers that David Letterman has nothing to apologize for; if the Right-Wingers want an apology they should 1st apologize for their own reprehensible rhetorical behavior over the last 30 years addressing each and every incident, when this is done, then perhaps they could come with humble and contrite hearts and seek an apology from David Letterman.

What the conservative right-wing Republican EXTREMISTS have done with regard to reprehensible conservative rhetoric for over 30 years has been an intentional movement to usurp power over the United States by obtaining conservative control of the U.S. Government; this is far more sinister than an off-color joke by a late night comedian, David Letterman.

If the right-wing treats Letterman too badly there is always room for him on the Comedy Channel, perhaps he would be next in line to roast a right-winger, you know, like Stephen Colbert did with W.

The Right-Wing complaining about David Letterman jokes is likened to Hitler complaining about the jokes of a Jewish comedian, it's not on the same level.

The right-wingers make a revenue stream off David Letterman and I suspect that whatever indignation they profess about the humor of David Letterman, that they will not let their indignation interfere with the revenue stream they receive from his talk show anymore than Fox Channel 23 does with the Simpsons; and BTW, I have noticed that since Fox Channel 23 threatened to take the Simpsons off the air if they didn't dumb down the show that instead of coming to heal that the Simpsons have gotten worse from the Fox Channel 23 perspective, rather than better, they are passing along more information to cartoon watchers than they did before they were threatened. I suspect that the same thing may occur with David Letterman, because regardless of what is said, right-wingers will cling to their revenue stream regardless of how painful it may be to them.

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for including James Dobson (founder of Focus on the Family) on the Top Ten list of "Right-Wingers From Whom Conservatives Should Be Demanding Apologies." Dobson has openly taken the stance that parents of LGBTQ children should reject them outright on the grounds that acceptance of the child as gay, lesbian, etc. somehow condones/validates the child's "lifestyle choice." This harmful rhetoric became lethal in at least one instance when one lesbian's mother followed Dobson's advice to reject her daughter, in the sincere belief that it was for her daughter's own good. Tragically, this led to the daughter's suicide, as the mother tearfully recounted in the 2007 film For the Bible Tells Me So. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of broken hearts and lives that have resulted from Dobson's injurious and often vitriolic anti-gay discourse. Anyone posing as a child development authority who advocates the rejection of a child by a parent for ANY reason absolutely deserves to be called out as a fraud and ultimately discredited. "Focus on the Family"??? Let's try "Focus on F***ing Up the Family"!!!

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"Each and every day conservative radio hosts, cable-news hosts, pundits and columnists use divisive, insensitive, and downright hateful rhetoric."

So do you freaks.

You're no better than the horrible "conservatives" you claim superiority over.

Given the choice, and with a gun to my head, I'd choose to live next door to one of them rather than one of you.

It doesn't really matter, though. You're all cut from the same cloth.

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If Palin - or any other woman the GOP might get behind - runs in 2012, she will face the same sexist, misogynist crap that was flung at Hillary Clinton and the female voting block.

Palin is working the refs now to help immunize herself.

And if Democrats don't get meaningful health care reform through, it's going to work.

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When will the majority learn that they are being indoctrinated, programmed, brain-washed, dumbed down, spun, misdirected, misinformed, and propagandized?

This is truly a sensationalized non-issue...but too many people are too mentally paralyzed to realize this.

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Gov. Sarah Palin is a terrorist! She also assisted in the death of a doctor by her hateful rhetoric! No one should have any respect for this persona. Palin's 15 min. of fame is long over. Her religion is enough reason for people to run away from her as she supports American Taliban!

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No collection of Republican comments would be complete without the timeless words uttered by Earl Butz, Secretary of Agriculture under Gerald Ford. Unfortunately the airplane seatmate he uttered them to turned out to be a reporter; Butz was gone in three days. Here is what he said, verbatim: "All the coloreds want is a tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit."

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If Bristol Palin puts herself in the public eye and is "fair" game, then so is the gap toothed geek Letterman. He was just trying to beat Conan O'Brian in the ratings game and he knows the kind of slime that works.All of his fans are gap toothed geeks that enjoy watching Dave from the basement of their mom and dad's home.

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10 worst; 10 best; top 20 shittiest . . .

Lists are a product of technological shorthand and structuring, they dumb down discourse, and they're a rapid, lazy way of communicating.

Obviously, all the people on the list are contemptible, but if for some reason you feel compelled to explain how contemptible they are, write about them in detail, don't belch out another list.

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politicians throughout history have been mocked. not only by comedians- but by jokes told at the water cooler, around the dinner table, on tv shows, radio, movies, books etc.

it seems the right is playing up the poor innocent woman thing with palin. she is a manipulative, hateful, ignorant, though well dressed politician..and should be treated as such. if that means taking a few hits from a late night talk show host..so it goes.

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She lost. Her supporters lost. Palin proved unequivocally that she's a total moron. She willingly trotted out her immediate family and put them under scrutiny.

Then we discovered precisely how WHITE TRASH she and her family is.

So... Palin deserves every single joke that can be told about her. Every last one.

She doesn't represent the US. She and her supporters SAY she represents the US. But the vast majority of the population in this country knows the truth. Palin ONLY represents a tiny AK valley that is known for their welfare families, their meth labs and their young women who think that having sex won't actually get you pregnant.

That is funny. It's a joke. And Letterman proved it.

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Letterman's attempts at humour are poor, undergraduate stuff.
It is not acceptable to include Palin's offspring in your jibes about their mother.

And about Palin. Come to think of her. Amusing in some ways, but not funny. Rather sad actually.

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Letterman's gargantuan condescensions are a part of the act. Fox is Fascism writ large. The Networks schilled for the corporations and the hedgefunds and got us a crisis. Corporate journalists were yes men for Bush. O'Riley is a mindless racist, as is Lou Dobbs at CNN. Limbaugh a drug addicted misanthrope ripe with toilet talk. NPR is a pathetic reminder that Pacifica was never allowed a national audience. And talk radio is a sewer spewing capitalist disinformation and racial slur. The media? You must mean the illuminated urinal at the heart of the disinformation system.

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Letterman apparently didn't think it was funny later. He apologized, and then the "neocon's", whatever the hell that means, shut up.

So ok. He lost advertisers because people that aren't quite as insane as you, don't like joking about little girl's having sex. Way to speak truth to power freak shows.

Next up, molesting bunny rabbits and why it's fair game when there's grass on the field. Wow... all I can say is I hope you wanker's cling together when it hits the fan. I really really do.

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Palin's actions when she 1st hit the stage were truly slutty and brought on slutty type jokes with her winking at the audience as if that meant something politically; it isn't Letterman's fault for saying what their actions showed.

But, since his boss is a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST that's trying to restore the grandeur of the GOP, and has hopes of being able to adapt Palin to their effort, anything said that has the possibility of making Palin and her family look less than pure just can not be allowed. It is OK for everyone else who isn't a Republican, but lay off the Republicans, they have deemed themselves to be losing the battle, so no one can say anything detrimental about Palin, they have hopes of using Palin to save their conservative EXTREME party.

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These people are consistent in that they are always promoting anything white and putting down anything that isn't and doesn't agree with what they say...it is old and is in the way and when they finally spiral completely into the atmosphere they will explode with a mighty little poof and that will be the end of it.......sooner or later hate always loses....always......keep the faith and keep on telling the truth.....they will squawk louder yet will be heard less for they will sound more and more like the teacher from the peanuts cartoons....."wah wah wah wa wah wah wah".....peace and Don't Panic

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