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9 Conservative Myths About Right-Wing Domestic Terrorism
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It's been a wild couple of weeks for those of us in the wingnutology business. Our services have been in tremendous demand as the mainstream media try to sort out the meaning of what Scott Roeder and James von Brunn did.
I've done an average of one radio show every day for the past two weeks trying to help various lefty talkers around the country make some sense of it all; and I'm generally gratified at how seriously people are starting to take this.
At the same time, I'm also appalled (though, sadly, hardly surprised) by the conservative mythmaking that's going on around the very serious issue of right-wing domestic terrorism. So it's obviously time to pull together another "Firing Back" piece to give progressives what they need to separate fact from fiction when these talking points start flying.
I've actually had every one of the following myths pitched to me by on-air interviewers, phone-in callers and/or online commenters over the last two weeks. Most of them have come up over and over, which suggests to me that you're likely to encounter them, too. So let's walk 'em through:
1. These are just "lone wolf" psychos who are acting alone. You can't hold anybody else responsible for what crazy people decide to do.
True and false. But mostly false.
It's true that every one of the nine right-wing terrorists who've made the news since Jan. 20 had a history of mental illness, domestic violence, and/or drug abuse. Several were military veterans who were having a really hard time adjusting to civilian life. None of these people could reasonably be considered sane; and, for whatever twisted reasons, they made a personal choice to do what they did.
But it's not true that they were acting alone. People who are dealing with these kinds of demons are often drawn into movements that offer a strong narrative that helps them make sense of a world that never seems to add up right for them. They're usually drawn into organizations like Operation Rescue or the Minutemen that are nominally nonviolent, but which also indoctrinate them into a worldview that justifies and motivates people to commit terrorist acts. They come to believe that they must do this to save the world, to serve God and to be the heroes they desperately want to be.
They're already walking sticks of dynamite. But it takes the heat of that apocalyptic, dualistic, eliminationist, pro-violence narrative to light their fuses and make them explode.
Unfortunately, these groups also make it easy to take that final step over the line, because they often have close ties to other, more secretive groups that do advocate and plan terrorist violence as a solution. Operation Rescue teaches that killing abortion doctors is justifiable homicide, and then feeds its most extreme members into the Army of God.
The Aryan Nations and several other white nationalist groups supplied the nine members of The Order, a racist terrorist group that killed two people (including left-wing talker Alan Berg) and stole over $4 million during a nine-month spree in 1984. Al-Qaida got many of its recruits from the nominally nonviolent (but still radical) Hizb al-Tahrir. Of course, when violence actually occurs, these groups always denounce it -- but they also usually have a very good idea of who was involved, because they've been hanging around with the perpetrators for quite a while themselves.
One of the things the public is finally beginning to understand is that the "lone wolf" story has never been accurate, because these guys are never really alone in the world. Every one of them was well-marinated in large, long-established subcultures that put them up to terrorism and promised to make heroes out of them if they succeeded.
2. These terrorists are really left-wingers, not right-wingers. Because everybody knows that fascism is a phenomenon that only occurs on the left.
False does not even begin to cover the absurdity of this claim.
Fascism has always been a phenomenon of the right. Every postwar academic scholar of fascism -- Robert Paxton, Roger Griffin, Umberto Eco and onward -- has been emphatically clear about this. Benito Mussolini admitted as much. It's part of the very definition of the word.
Jonah Goldberg has gotten a lot of traction on the right for his argument that fascism is somehow a left-wing tendency; but in his badly argued, barely researched tome Liberal Fascism, he gets here by taking logical leaps that no college professor would accept from the greenest freshman.
The worst, perhaps, is the way he conflates "fascism" with "totalitarianism." There is such a thing as left-wing totalitarianism: Stalinism and Maoism both qualify. But they were communist, not fascist, movements. It's only when totalitarianism happens on the right that we call it fascism.
Still, this idea has caught on like wildfire and is being widely promoted by right-wing talkers like Glenn Beck. If you want the full takedown on this, I refer you to Dave Neiwert's exhaustive series of debunking articles, which are linked to in the sidebar at Orcinus.
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Posted by: abstractedaway on Jun 20, 2009 12:31 AM
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Here's a good one for the rest of us. What about the inverse: so there are radicals and malcontents in Gaza who choose to fire some rockets independently of cease-fire conditions or whatever, but everyone on the right is partly guilty for the shootings.
Do these concepts work? They imperfect at least. If you know fundamentalists, you probably know people who'd never hurt anybody but still believe an almighty God literally ordered the brutal genocide of Canaanites in the Old Testament at the hands of the Hebrews and was right to do it, as a matter of course. The key here is cognitive dissonance between real world living and articles of belief that can just as easily stick because of the social group they feel they belong to. We'll get further challenging that than criticizing a group of people. The goal is to open eyes and hearts - right?
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Posted by: Silverhawk on Jun 20, 2009 12:52 AM
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Is this simple enough for the police/FBI/CIA personell in all the Joint Terrorism Task Forces across the entire US?
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Posted by: Ishmael1 on Jun 20, 2009 2:02 AM
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I'm 55, I've been out of work for about 3 years now and I have a semi-invalid wife. I live in the Rio Grande Valley south of Albuquerque with a lot of rednecks. I was walking into Walmart to do some shopping with my foodstamps when I saw a twenty-ish looking guy with tats, a beard and wearing a T-shirt with the following message:
"Liberalism Causes Terrorism"
So I politely walked over and introduced myself. Then I proceeded to inform him WHY he BETTER HOPE his T-shirt was wrong. I told him that since I was:
1. A liberal socialist
2. A US Navy Vietnam Veteran
3. A specialist in the disciplines of telecommunications, semiconducter processing, precision-guided and nuclear weaponry.
I would be HIS worst nightmare. I then informed him that all those firearms he and his friends were buying up would be effectively worthless against somebody like me since all I needed was his address for google earth and then I could get his GPS location for the guidance system EPROM or just drop one of those nifty homing chips they use in Afghanistan now. I also told him that, because of the above background, I could take he and his friends out by making a call from a pay phone...in another state...in a bar...where I would be really loud and obnoxious...creating an airtight alibi.
Then I shook his hand and went in to do my shopping.
Now I HAVE considered working for al Qaeda...BUT THEY REMIND ME TOO MUCH OF THE MORMONS.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 20, 2009 2:37 AM
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When they're in power, they act like facists. When they're out of power, they act like traitors. Either way, they show the same determination to make everyone in the country as miserable as they.
Even as we speak, every Republican in America is on his knees, praying for another terror attack. "Please Lord," they're whispering, "Let us get hit really hard. I don't care how many people get killed, just so long as it hurts the Democrats."
Wingnuts pose an ongoing threat to America's survival. Our only hope is 1) to herd the right to their own country, or 2) genetic engineering. Until then, we need to confiscate their guns and their women, in the interests of public safety.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 20, 2009 4:41 AM
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By signing a contract granting hoards of cash for their 'Work', and providing them the ways and means to do so, is considered 'Expressed' Authority to represent them- They are without a doubt an Employee, a representative of the network, it's governing board, the mgt and the those who support the network as their source of Revenue.
Through this Expressed Authorization, these sponsors Imply to the public not only that these mouthpieces speak for them all, but hold some type of expertise or widespread consensus, aka an 'Authority' on the Subject matter, or an Authority figure in general, giving the impression these mouthpieces must wield some Power and influence since they are granted this priviledged Podium- so we had all better listen to what they say and follow their 'commandments'.A Falsehood of an "implied Authority" but perception is everything when it comes to being SEEN as an Authority.
I have yet to see the standard 'disclaimer' prior to and through out any of these shows..."the views expressed are not necesssarily those of the brosdcaster, it's management or sponsors", which indicates the Views and opinions expressed ARE those of the network, mgt and sponsors.And these are Not 'news', nor just op-eds, they are literally Selling their Ideas,trying to convince the American Public their doctrines are correct.As Eugene Robinsons(?) Put it so aptly these are 'Infotainers'.Thus they should be qualified in the same manner as the Guy selling 'Natural Cures'.
Of course this would also include Keith & Rachel, but their viewers already know this. So it will be of no consequence to us. However I constantly hear in general conversation, "According to Bill O ..." as if he is an Authority on the (any) topic or issue. The rightwing are intellectually lazy, they want to be spoonfed 'Their' ideas. Proof comes from the fact they contradict themselves within the same sentence- Linear deductive reasoning is not the strong suit. 'the left is instigating domestic terrorism and trying to pass legislation to take away your guns, they must be stop by all means'. If real gun controls are passed it will be the result of the dangerous 'Guns and God' group words and actions, not the Lefts. In a sick,morbid way the Far right wing nuts shooting everyone in sight, may be the catalyst which finally brings about Real gun control legislation. Yes people kill people,using guns.
If BillO or Rush were on a HAM radio spewing this shit, it would be Only themselves responsible- but they are not, they have been giving both Expressed,thus Implied, authority to dispense their Views and opinions nationally, and in some cases Internationally (why the Savage Weiner is Barred from entering England), so then the Liability becomes that of those who grant them such mass exposure, via contract, staff and equipment.
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Posted by: lisafrequency on Jun 20, 2009 5:41 AM
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As a conservative I hate war and hope and pray against any and all killing and hope to never see another attack such as 911 in the USA. Cheney and his bunch do not represent me in any shape or form.
The real enemy to the people in the USA is big Pharma, Monsanto, and the FDA who sanctions it all.
With drugs that have side effects that cause death, lymphomas,heart attack,and thoughts of suicide (I just can't believe this is acceptable) and is even advertised as such on TV and foods that have ingredients that are classified as bio weapons. Hummm can anyone say aspartame or sorbitol or aspartame's three components: phenylalanine (50 percent), aspartic acid (40 percent), and methanol (10 percent.
Every year over 100,000 people die in hospitals from being wrongfully medicated and from other accidents.
If you don't believe it you better start paying attention. This is more people per year than was lost in the Viet Nam war and the Iraq war combined why isn't anyone worried about it? Right wing nut jobs don't even hold a candle to this stuff.
Personally I can't stand Rush, Sean, Bill, Glenn I think they sound like a bunch of fools.
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Posted by: Old_Guy on Jun 20, 2009 6:11 AM
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 20, 2009 6:18 AM
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As long as the Rush Limbaughs, Bill O'Reilly's and Glenn Becks of the country, all sons of the coordinator class, can keep the perceived victimization of working class whites focused on Latinos, gays, African Americans and "liberals" the upper one percent stays safe to exploit them, and us, long into the foreseeable future. Lower middle class, conservative whites are basically trapped in a giant Skinner-box we call the United States, they are just the pigeons who haven't figured it out yet.
The sorry fact of the matter, as I see it, "liberal" coordinator class operatives are willing to let innocents take the brunt of white right wing hatred to maintain the economic status quo. While a few murdered abortion-providers, illegal immigrants or Holocaust Museum guards is abhorrent, for the upper one percent and its coordinator class lackeys that is a small price to pay to keep the game of chance that is the "free market" economy going and profitable for them.
And it is better than one of of these not-very-bright, violence-prone fellows shooting up the executive boardroom, a major stockholders' meeting or the VIP section of a major golf tournament. Of course if this scenario ever were to happen the violent, white right would feel the full force of the federal government and the NRA's worst nightmare would come to pass.
So, for the time being at least, the rest of us will remain potential targets of right wing hate and bullets.
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Posted by: Frish on Jun 20, 2009 6:42 AM
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The "classic" (pre-BushCo) definition is:
"Criminal Acts perpetrated for Political Purposes"
(Some say "violent acts" instead of simply criminatl...but terrorism doesn't have to have any violence associated with it...spreading a computer virus COULD be an act of terrorism (it spreads terror amongst users) without any violence at all...it depends on the AIM of the act and intention of the actors.)
Terrorism is a POLICE matter, in other words, NOT a Military one! If we don't know who to surrender to, it isn't war...you can't fight a war on a "tactic".
Using the Criminal definition, acts of domestic terrorism are far more easily evaluated...was the criminal act intended to have a political outcome? Or was it a lone lunatic or a criminal eager for a remunerative outcome (the Pirates in East Africa are a good example, is the shakedown simply going after the money, or, is there a political goal? THOSE Pirates ARE NOT terrorists...by the classic definition...they are simply running a shakedown operation for the money it generates...)
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Posted by: justAnEgg on Jun 20, 2009 7:01 AM
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Right wing succeeded in distracting us all from focusing our analyses on their propaganda machine. "Free market" advertizing, wrapped in the first amendment's freedom of speech, is just a cover for funding dissemination of corporate fascist agenda. We all know that but we keep turning our heads away from it.
Proof? Just read the definition above carefully - again and again. Everything we need in order to be able to discern the actual problem is there, in that definition: originating organization; targeted population; means and methods of execution.
Of course right wing talking heads point their finger elsewhere, it's in the very nature of their activities. But we must not give our own contribution to their agenda by participating in building a false world of false values imposed by them on the nation. Every time they utter "values and god", we must respond "money, power and control".
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Posted by: dover23 on Jun 20, 2009 7:10 AM
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Posted by: Parcival01 on Jun 20, 2009 7:22 AM
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Yet, what I remember from the Vietnam era was war supporters--many of them vets--spitting on or beating up on the anti-war activists. I experienced it again, at the Vietnam Vets Memorial barely a year ago!
And yesterday, spittin' distance from Washington, on the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, I got behind a Dodge 4X4 with three bumper stickers:
Don't Blame Me, I Voted Sarah
If Any Doubt, Empty Your Magazine
Nuke the Bastards
The last sticker, by the way, included a conspicuous American flag.
I sent that fact to a friend who insisted it's such a small, insignificant minority, his statement made while the funeral of the guard at the Holocaust Museum was taking place!
Life is full of ironies...
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 20, 2009 7:54 AM
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So American Reich-wing groups preach to their members to both act and claim to act unilaterally. On their own as "lone wolves". This is to protect the particular hate group that inspires the violence.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 20, 2009 8:10 AM
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"....the guys with the guns make the rules.”
Really???
A "free society" where its citizenry is held hostage to the fear of gun violence may be many things. Free it is not.
Freshman Diplomacy 101
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Posted by: Osonegro on Jun 20, 2009 8:23 AM
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I think that local radio station sponsers, regardless of their mindset, are much more sensitive to comments in their limited market area. A brief unemotional, non threatening phone message expressing ones disfavor regarding their sponsorship, might carry more weight than one might imagine.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 20, 2009 8:36 AM
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The "gut" as opposed to analytical thinking was the reason espoused by bush as a sure-fire way to arrive at any and all decisions. As anyone with the power of deductive reasoning can see, the "gut" is a MORON, and bush is living proof of that.
Teach a moron to fish and he'll be able to feed himself (maybe).
Give him a gun and he'll shoot everything in sight.
Idiot America.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 20, 2009 9:14 AM
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I would be dead now if it wasn't for one thing, the Model 1911 .45 caliber automatic I have worn on my hip since fifteen years of age. It has prevented my murder several times, two of these actual gunfights (it has also, in unrelated incidents, twice saved the lives of others). What does the author here and Mr. Degen think I should have done - just accept death in order to preserve the left wing's tortured and weird concept of "freedom" and "peace?"
The essay here is so full of false reasoning, Straw Man, Poisoned Well, Irrelevant Conclusion, Bare Assertion, and more fallacy that it beggars comprehensive response without resort to a full essay of its own. Most, if not all, of statistics promulgated by the gun-hating left are outright lies - a simple fact, and easily demonstrated by repair to actual crime statistics from the FBI and others.
More, why not, for instance, consider the viewpoint of the opposition? One might, for instance, try Susan Faludi's book, "Stiffed, the Betrayal of the American Male."
And don't try to tell my why the U.S. Constitition contains a Second Amendment. When the IRS and the Federal Government destroyed my life - broke two marriages, ended any chance of my ever returning to business or gainful employument, and drove one of my children to three attempts at suicide - the 1911 on my hip stopped several outright attempts at cold-blooded murder by that same IRS and Federal Government (that in order to prevent my testimony at 1986 Omnibus Taxpayers Bill of Rights hearings).
What is is the anti-gun left really wants? Why the relentlessly continual pretense? Why falsehood and lying? The idea that gun violence is some kind of national epidemic is utter nonsense when placed in the light of the truth - compared to the incidence of death due highway and street traffic, for instance. In any year, things like electrical appliances, ladders, swimming pools, three wheeler motorcycles, and a dozen things more the like kill more people than guns.
I'm what most rational people call a moderate, one who reasons, researches, and thinks before he forms opinions political or otherwise. I have no intuitive, or knee jerk political views, agreeing with both right and left pundits and commentators often.
But I detest dishonest efforts like this one. The author isn't interested in the public good so much as she is interested in the success of her political group and its views.
If persons like the author here really want an end to gun violence, they will join the fight to end it, begin supporting the one thing that has been shown to end it - the licensed arming of the public against it, and begin training to properly wearing and use a sidearm.
Otherwise, she just leaves to others the public peace she would have us believe she so ardently desires. If there were ten, twenty, a hundred more armed citizens - effectively, more police officers - in our streets, doesn anyone rational believe the result would be less violent crime (if not, then why have we police officers at all?).
Let's cease the cynical, bickering, argument about guns, and get down to actually doing something about the (perceived) problem. You don't ban the use of electricity because it kills a lot of people, you learn to use it safely.
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Posted by: Jill 2 on Jun 20, 2009 10:00 AM
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We all know that if an indigenous home grown 'real' left –with a liberatory anti-fascist programmatic– agenda was as deeply entrenched as the psychopathic right wing in America today, it would be ruthlessly eliminated by police and military action. The Democratic party– and most Progressives– would be supportive of this pogrom without even batting an eye. If left wing hit squads were busy assassinating scabrous ilk like Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage or even the repellent Joe Lieberman (all to great applause!) Obama would come down on them with extreme, lethal prejudice.
The manufacture, distribution and possession of lethal weaponry in America, (as so many other things, (i.e) socialized medicine), should NOT be subject to debate or politics. The present situation is beyond the pale and unconscionable, but is at the root fundament ,what makes America what it IS and what it has ALWAYS been. Rampaging right wing lethality on the domestic front, is but an extension of a militarist Pentagon/CIA Predator drone terror in foreign policy: They are conjoined, at the hip, with permanent war embedded inviolably in the operational psyche of all American life. You can't end one fascist excrescence, without ending the other and vice versa. Even the putative 'liberal,' the phony Barney Frank, can now be seen as abetting right wing terror, with his recent cowardly vote for the neo- fascist Obama's war appropriations bill. Singling out domestic terror by right wing troglodytes has long been a sport of convenience for 'holier than thou 'progressives –who wouldn't be caught dead–attacking Israel's criminal state terror in any way that really mattered.
When America operates from an essentialist, more or less permanent bias favoring fascism, it is not going to auto suppress itself or voluntarily self correct by political suasion.That is simply impossible. The right SHOULD be suppressed, but that would be ending America as we know it for that would include the repression of 'Obamaism, 'as well and 90% of the Democratic party. America does need a civil war, but against the right. But as we know, what would remain, (if anything!) would be just another variant of what was suppressed. Obama's continuation of Bush torture and state terror policies, albeit sugared with rhetorical finesse, is but one example of the American demiurge: It remains almost neurologically hard wired into a rightist, fascist psychology.
What we have now is a situation where not only the usual suspects, the right wing zealots alone are terrorists.Domestic and foreign policy terrorism can no longer be severed to make opportunistic political points as Sara Robinson does here. Sadly, but not surprisingly, Obama and his supporters are ALSO the terrorists. Indelibly so. The blood is on their hands, despite all their feeble protestations to the contrary.
(Jill Bains)
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Posted by: Amy27605 on Jun 20, 2009 10:46 AM
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Great idea. I can do this! But how, without subjecting myself to watching and listening to the programs? I get more of them than I care to hear just in the excerpts on Countdown.
Any suggestions?
Peace.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 20, 2009 11:09 AM
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False.
Violence is violence, and folks who commit violent acts--gang bangers, racists, environmentalists, or what have you--should be punished per our judicial system, and not for their motivation but rather for their crime.
As far as the people saying things you (and frankly I) don't agree with, there are laws that make them criminally civily accountable for communicating threats. If you think you've been threatened, then you can and should seek legal counsel.
Your general annoyance at people yelling vile things is simply that, and it isn't very actionable in a free and liberal country.
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on Jun 20, 2009 1:03 PM
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The Right and Left ideologies, manufactured and otherwise, revealed exploitable rifts between two of the dominant parties and their ambitions that were very telling about it's constituents, leaders and all the grey areas the people and corporations "on the fence" or without loyalty to any party hide. While claiming to be members of a party and paying whomever they can in it to use the power of that party to further their own company's profit and worse, fill their own pockets and those of their collaborators, leading to a feeding frenzy of insane, gluttonous greed. The "Left", as you would want to call us, has always been the more ideological of the two parties and unfortunately, the more easily fooled because we assume everyone wants the best for our country and its citizens. The graft and feeding frenzy are much more low key and parasitical, eventually causing the program meant to help people to become an energy draining leech. Liberals are very aware of this problem and while it's been slow to correct, it's much harder to "scam" these programs, but that doesn't matter to people with an agenda to undermine Democratic process and view weakness as ammunition. The Right Wing enabling of profiteering and media monopolization has which worked so well to get both Bush's in office and caused the extinction of unbiased media, reporting and responsible broadcast content has two heads and the backlash will be significant and mostly detrimental to the Republican party unless they find a way to disassociate themselves from the criminal element they allowed to infiltrate their ranks. The same factions that knew a false rivalry could be created out of old wounds and minor differences between "Left" and "Right", but in order to be as profitable as possible, it needed to be made into a conflict to distract us all why we all got fleeced and our pockets picked by the assholes who used the GOP as cover for their activities, to legitimize the ones that would otherwise be criminal And lets face it, the Republican party was easy to influence, because they were offered money and power. Heroin for the ruling class families of the Republican party
The shit hit the fan after the truly greedy and stupid got caught like the last ones in a pyramid scheme and the profiteers have left them dangling in the wind. Meanwhile, Obama's administration catches shit from Right Wing drum beaters because he's had to make deals with the same GOP enabled bastards to keep them from running to places like Barbados with all of our money, 401K's retirement funds,
Remember when unethical profiteering became acceptable behavior around when W took office? No raised flags with even the most loyal Republicans and everyone drank the Koolaid, joining 98% of the party in profiting from "distressed properties" and other unethical, but "legal" scams.
Bush leaves Obama basically taming demons with hopes of possibly exorcising these evil f-cks later, but Republicans blame Obama. Homegrown terrorists kill doctors and an African American guard at a Holocaust museum and The Right Wing media calls them "Liberals".
How much longer can the Right remain oblivious to it's hand in current affairs before they become completely irrelevant and obsolete? Can any of us afford to be led around by the nose with Rings labeled "RIGHT", "LEFT", "CONSERVATIVE", "LIBERAL"...
The fake outrage and illogical anger are beginning to ring hollow and bloodless, despite the threats. Losses will be acceptable in the conflict to end discrimination and hate and it will take commitment of at least double the level of those who support it. As we uncover the dark holes that racists and fascists like to hide in for fear of discovery while making plans just like Osama Bin Laden does and prosecute them openly, all the decades of intolerance will become a sad and forgotten part of American history.
Someday.
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Posted by: Kahoneez on Jun 20, 2009 1:46 PM
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Who else was added to the Missouri MIAC list , Ron Paul , Bob Barr , Chuck Bladwin , libertarians , or anybody influencing militias ie people with " Dont tread on me " stickers were being pulled over . See the pattern people, it's happening under the globalist with a jump shot . You better wake up , the MIAC list is real , google it and do the research .
Obama's Independent support is dropping like a rock , not suprising , since basically only Libertarians are bothering to read the Bills above and take the enemies lists they are CREATING SERIOUSLY !
FEDERAL RESERVE is getting more POWER to run our lives and Obama is a liar , there will be no oversight or accountability , the FED wasn't accountable BEFORE . He's allowing the banking Elite to take over this country , while you silly left Vrs. Right paradigm sheep , argue about rush , beck and the silly crap on cable .
And CNN , gives a couple of minutes all day to the Federal Reserve issue and ali velchi supported the idea , and nothing much is said on so called left web sites , proving the U.S. major media is corrupt to the core .
Ya, I'm a Alex Jones listener , who reads the bills , verifies what's said and thank goodness for the law abiding militas , constitutionalists , Independents ,Vets and anybody who knows both parties and the media are corrupt as hell . Liberals will be uniting with a lot of stange bedfellows , might as well throw in Biker clubs , we'll all be on the front lines .
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Posted by: Jill 2 on Jun 20, 2009 2:00 PM
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Obama, and the Democratic party he heads, is a right wing party and also a state terrorist party. State terrorists are far, far worse than ordinary,'garden variety' right wing nut job terrorists.The latter are mostly demented individuals, who take a willful pride in their bigoted psychosis; the former, are unwilling to ever see themselves for what they really are for they deem themselves too 'reasonable' and 'responsible.' That they carry out the slaughter of millions, is somehow justified since they themselves do it. It is perfectly permissible for these folk to do just that, but they scream in outrage when Republican's do the same.In that sense they are far worse than outright Republican fascists, as they are far more hypocritical. Now, wasn't that easy?–(Jill B).
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Posted by: GPFrank on Jun 20, 2009 3:24 PM
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Extremists use "God's Mistake" Blasphemy to justify slavery.
Blasphemy is slandering the Deity as is commonly understood. (Of
course, when the end justifies the means it is O.K. to slander anybody
and any thing.)
The present radicalism to prevent abortion or wonen's choice is part of a
movement to re-institute slavery, pure and simple. The object is to
enslave women, though the movement
would be very happy to enslave Blacks and Native Americans if that
were politically possible.
In regard to marriage and reproduction the movement would actually consider the
kind of regime as the Latter Day Saints colony in Texas, as ideal.
But there are also included a minority among females who believe in the institution of
"kept" women.
"Innocent fertilized eggs" be dammed.
They have given away their true motive in the new attacks on birth control and condoms.
But they are succeeding in intimidating some women in the face of the terror and propaganda that includes falsified medical data.
They have taken one of the versions of creation of humanity in Genesis ch 2:7as God's mistake, so God did it over again to create
the wholly human.
They express hate of the very soil from which life comes in order to trash the “mud people” whom they consider less than human. Their ideology includes slavery as part of the natural human condition. They believe the proper use of free speech is to bring about enslavement.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 20, 2009 5:14 PM
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Timothy McVeigh was a militia member. We have yet to trace the source of their funding. We do know that G. Gordon Liddy was on Oklahoma City talk radio the day the bomb went off. The owners of the radio station shut off Liddy and leased out the station management.
Do you actually suppose that it was a democrat that shot the chairman of the Arkansas democratic party? It was so threatening that they shot him instead of keeping him alive and investigating his motives. Is there much doubt that it was the work of the radical right?
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Nothing else matters to them. An American=A Foreigner=A Gnat.
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If your newspaper carries Jonah Goldberg purveyor of the theory of liberal fascism, ask them to choose another pundit and also say you have carbon copied the letter to three big advertisiers . If your radio station carries Limbaugh or Michael Savage, write a letter to the station and anyone who advertises on that show. after 1 month of inaction write a letter to the newspaper and announce you are forming a group to boycott the advertisers.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 21, 2009 5:42 AM
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Ask a twelve year old in Detroit what emotions come to mind when police come to their school for a "tough love" anti drug program and insinuate that prison anal gang rape is ahead for anyone who uses drugs.
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HAPPY FATHER'S DAY AND PEACE !!
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Posted by: TimV on Jun 21, 2009 8:30 AM
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Ms. Robinson is generally on the left, but clearly on the right when it comes to victims/survivors of mental illness: She tries to gloss over the fact that lot of us are peaceful non-hating people who are having or have had a hard time psychologically.
To any brothers/sisters W/psychiatric histories who may be reading this: Hang in there. Don't let this hateful talk get you down and don't succumb to any stereotype vulnerability here. - It's old hat for someone to be on the left generally, but on the rabid right when it comes to people W/psych histories or other minority groups.
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Posted by: kogwonton on Jun 21, 2009 12:04 PM
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I have been forced to make up my own mind about what is true or false, and base it upon my own authority. I've seen people whose statements seemed supremely rational for most of my life turn 180 degrees, and to whom I can no longer look to for truth. I hate that there seems to be no alternative, even while I hang on to rationality with white knuckles (assuming I even know what reason is any longer).
This is exactly what I had feared would occur, and while I do see it on the 'right' I am also seeing it happen on the left. If we cannot find any rational consensus that doesn't whip up violence we are doomed. This world has become unlivable in an amazingly short time. Some people certainly seem to have got what they wanted, and whatever that is doesn't bode well for peace-loving people. Just a couple of days ago I mentioned to EncinoM how simple a thing it is to cause street violence.
I do know one thing. There are stated ideals embodied in our laws. There have been crimes committed and persons, not semi-mythical groups, can be tried according to the law, with evidence. It would behoove us to try to find common ground upon which we can find agreement. It would be good for us to try to prioritize those things all of us can agree upon, and save the peripheral arguments for some future moment when the emotional fires are burning less hot. If we can't do this then we will be easily manipulated. This thread shows how effectively our social bonds have been severed.
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Posted by: davemundy on Jun 22, 2009 4:36 AM
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Please, Alternet: at least get the labels right. I saw the comment with one author's bio that the Campaign for America's Future and the Progressive States Network are both "nonpartisan organizations." Maybe nonpartisan if you're a foaming-at-the-mouth radical leftist.
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Posted by: myersqi on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM
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The right wind can makes any lying for their some purples. Anybody who they don't like can be their terrorist.
Open our eyes and tell them to stop lying now.
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