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Why the Medical Industry Is Lashing Out at Oprah Winfrey

By Deepak Chopra, AlterNet. Posted June 11, 2009.


Having squandered its public credibility, the medical establishment's attacks on Oprah's alternative medicine crusade look like pure cynicism.
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A recent cover story in a struggling news magazine, under the title "Crazy Talk:" accuses Oprah Winfrey of spreading "dubious advice" in a wide range of health issues from menopause and hormone replacement therapy to autism, cancer, aging, and weight loss. The tone of the article was the same tiresome blend of gotcha journalism and selective fact-reporting that fills tabloid coffers.

The story failed to gain traction for obvious reasons. Oprah has aired innumerable shows on health, of which the controversial ones are a tiny minority. Her intention to improve women's lives on all fronts is so obvious as to be almost above criticism. The credibility for women's well-being and welfare she has earned day after day over the past two decades will not be undone with a story that cherry-picks the guests who can be made easy targets of ridicule by the medical establishment. And the fact that she has celebrity guests who have causes and crusades in the area of health, such as Jenny McCarthy or Suzanne Somers, is not the same as Oprah herself endorsing what they say.

The criticism the medical establishment is directing at Oprah through this article only exposes their own frustration in having squandered their credibility with the public. They hope that if they can successfully attack the Oprah's immense credibility, then they can magically get some of that credibility back for themselves. However, if people still trusted the health care industry to act in their best interest the way they did decades ago, then it would be unnecessary to brand Oprah for "crazy talk" simply because she occasionally provides a forum for ideas outside of mainstream medicine.

The medical profession is burdened with a host of problems that Oprah addresses with more candor and force than the AMA. She promotes wellness and prevention, two areas that drastically need improvement. She brings up creative solutions to problems that medical science is baffled by, such as the healing response itself and the role of subjectivity in patient response. These are issues that few M.D.s are willing to explore, yet she has done so for decades.

Instead, we got a response from an oncologist in Canada repeating the establishment position: alternative treatments of cancer are bogus, subjectivity has no place in science, "soul talk" about illness is rubbish. This is exactly the kind of dismissive arrogance that drives millions of people away from conventional doctors. Every illness has a subjective component -- after all, to be sick is to change your moods and emotions, and severe illness causes one to examine primal issues like life and death and the meaning of existence. Do these subjective changes affect healing? Obviously they do, or we wouldn't have the placebo effect, which comes into play at least 30% of the time in illness.

Scientific medicine by and large ignores wellness, prevention, and alternative medicine in general. On a daily basis doctors don't deal in these things; few take courses in medical school centered on them. That's why a massive movement has arisen driven by patients themselves. Oprah serves as a public outlet for a conversation that needs to be ongoing. As long as official medicine, backed by huge pharmaceutical companies, denies the existence of the problem, much less alternative solutions, the movement will remain patient-centered and the attitude toward alternative medicine will be one of unfounded disdain, suspicion, and ignorance on the part of physicians.

Denial also plays a huge part in this story. Mainstream medicine continues to downplay the enormous drawbacks of a health-care system that is addicted to drugs and surgery as the two constant drumbeats of treatment. This lopsided emphasis has created dilemmas that official medicine hasn't remotely solved:

* In Seattle a recent study of 638 patients with chronic lower back pain were given either some sort of acupuncture or standard treatment with anti-inflammatory drugs and massage. On average, the acupuncture patients received twice as much benefit as those on standard treatment. The kicker is that some of the patients received fake acupuncture -- they were pricked superficially with toothpicks -- and received the same relief.

* Iatrogenic disease, roughly defined as illness that results as a complication from a doctor's care, leads to between 230,000 to 284,000 deaths every year, making it the third leading cause of fatality in the country.

* A survey of 1,249 health care professionals found that 81% had taken dietary supplements like vitamins and minerals. This, despite the fact that mainstream doctors frequently tell their patients that the only benefit of such supplements is "expensive urine."

* Two of the most frequently performed surgeries, heart bypass grafts and balloon angioplasty, became fashionable without serious testing (the government approves drugs but not surgical procedures). They continue to be used in the face of perennial findings that neither procedure increases life expectancy. Besides relieving symptoms, which of course can be very troubling to the patient, both procedures carry serious risks. (The most recent finding showed that diabetics with stable heart disease do not survive longer if given heart surgery.)

* In the past, such common procedures as hysterectomies and radical mastectomies were widely performed without testing their efficacy. Not until European results revealed that lumpectomies were often just as effective did American surgeons question the staunch support of mastectomies. One might also consider that surgeons were very slow to perform cosmetic breast replacement for women who faced devastating psychological fallout from their mastectomies -- a typical neglect of any patient's subjective response to illness.

* The benefit of lifestyle changes has been grossly underestimated and underused. Coronary heart disease, prostate cancer/breast cancer, diabetes, and obesity account for 75% of health care costs, yet the progression of these diseases may often be stopped or even reversed by making intensive lifestyle changes. The most recent findings show that such changes actually cause beneficial alterations at the genetic level, affecting up to 400 genes through such measures as improved diet, exercise, and meditation.

* Overall, this country's health care system is actually a "sick care" system. In 2006, $2.1 trillion were spent in the U.S. on medical care, 95% of which was spent to treat disease after it had already occurred.

We're just scratching the surface here. Yet even if these massive problems didn't exist, the Oprah affair raises the question of sins by omission. It's one thing for official medicine to decry alternative medicine and hurl accusations of quackery, not just at the non-M.D.s who work as health practitioners but at licensed, highly educated and qualified physicians who are creative enough to explore new avenues of treatment. Their own lack of curiosity and creative thinking is disturbing. Does the most brilliant researcher in the world know why cancer sometimes spontaneously disappears? Why a patient with obsessive-compulsive disorder or depression can respond equally well to talk therapy and drugs -- that is, why talk is as effective as chemicals in altering the brain? Or how the body's healing system is influenced by outside forces?

The answer is no. Which means that mysteries remain to be solved, and creative solutions have every chance of arising from unexpected quarters. Scientific medicine is leery of so-called anecdotal evidence, that is, individual stories of disease and cure. Their skepticism is rational and well-founded. We all agree that without impartial studies, the advance of knowledge becomes chaotic and untrustworthy. But Oprah is letting individuals tell their stories for other, positive reasons: to share their pain, to reach out to others in the same circumstance, to provide hope.

Official medicine falls short on these fronts far too often. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad that the typical TV ad for drugs paints glossy pictures of happy patients running through flowery meadows, ending with a list of every imaginable side effect, including death. The article sneers at the popular movement linking autism with childhood vaccination, yet current understanding looks at autism as a complex, multi-factorial condition in which some cases could be influenced by an outside factor like a vaccine. It's all too easy for medicine to disdain that possibility and cry foul against guests on Oprah's show, raising a smokescreen for the countless irresponsible prescriptions written, especially for elderly patients, by doctors every day.

One fears that all of these arguments will fall on deaf ears, because the schism between official and alternative medicine runs deep -- deep enough that the average physician doesn't bother even to skim the thousands of studies that bolster alternative claims. So let me offer a typical finding that comes from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, among other official sources. It concerns the effect of child abuse and other adverse circumstances on later health. Is it "soul talk" to believe that a child raised around parents who abuse substances, who suffer from mental illness, or who outright abuse the child will suffer health risks later in life?

According to the CDC study, covering 15,000 HMO members in San Diego between 1995-97, the risk of contracting an autoimmune disease as an adult is increased from 70% to 100% if you happened to be abused as a child or grow up with adverse home conditions. This finding isn't isolated. Autoimmune diseases are one in which the body's immune system attacks the body itself. There are few known causes; it is baffling to grasp why the body's chief defender against illness should turn around and become the cause of illness. This study suggests a human connection rather than a biological one. Or rather, human distress leads to biological distress. Doctors don't officially believe that; millions of ordinary citizens do. Earlier studies had already correlated adverse childhood conditions with the risk of inflammatory conditions. In the little picture, a new finding has been added to the long list of mind-body links for illness and aging. In the bigger picture, the fact that we don't fully understand the mind-body connection, much less use it for healing in official medicine, comes into glaring relief.

What this tells me is that medicine needs Oprah and other patient advocates who are demanding that official medicine heal itself. To accuse them of lacking medical credibility is a red herring. Patients aren't supposed to know more than their physicians. The fact that they often do, at least insofar as alternative treatment goes, is both a sign of hope and cause for distress.


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DEEPAK CHOPRA = SCAM ARTIST
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jun 11, 2009 12:09 AM   
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Funny. I just read the James Randi debunking of this article. (remove the space in the url)

http://www.randi.org/site/ index.php/swift-blog/592-choprah.html

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» Randi is manipulative Posted by: mgmyers79
DEEPAK CHOPRA F*** OFF!!!!
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jun 11, 2009 12:30 AM   
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OK. I just started reading this article, and seriously, I wanted to smack this phony out by the second paragraph. I just couldn't go any further:

Her intention to improve women's lives on all fronts is so obvious as to be almost above criticism.
Wrong! Her intention is to make money.


And the fact that she has celebrity guests who have causes and crusades in the area of health, such as Jenny McCarthy or Suzanne Somers, is not the same as Oprah herself endorsing what they say.
Jenny McCarthy is telling parents not to vaccinate their kids because vaccines cause autism. There is no scientific evidence for this and kids are dying because of her. Oprah having her on the show is promoting her lies and therefore killing children.

Here's a link to Vaccines and Autism.
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http://discovermagazine.com/2009 /jun/06-why-does-vaccine-autism- controversy-live-on/

$2.5 billion spent, no alternative cures found
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http://www.msnbc.msn .com/id/31190909/

We all know the Big Pharma industry is corrupt as Hell. I'm not denying that. However, replacing real medicine with quackery will never heal anyone and only make Deepak / Oprah and the rest of the quacks richer.

What next Alternet? Doctor Phil???? Tom Cruise???

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» RE: DEEPAK CHOPRA F*** OFF!!!! Posted by: strahlungsamt
» WONDERFUL ! Posted by: sirios
» Kids are dying because of her? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Alternative Quackery
Posted by: lcuzan on Jun 11, 2009 1:26 AM   
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I am absolutely no fan of big pharma but I am of the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Alternative therapy and medicine is quackery, pure and simple. Why? Because clinical trials (double-blind, randomised and placebo controlled) have failed to show any evidence-based results whatsoever. If you want to check the efficacy of an alternative medicine or treatment, check the methodology of the so-called trials through peer-reviewed journals like the New England Journal of Medicine or the Lancet. Their methodologies are always found wanting and results are questionable, to put it kindly.

Just because a treatment has been used since ancient times (a classic is 'chinese medicine') does not mean it works. Before the advent of germ theory and western medical practices, the average Chinese lifespan was between 25-30 years. This has since shot up to around 71 years.

And please, just because something is from 'the mystical east' does not remove it from reality or make it any less open to scientific scrutiny. Acupuncture you say? It's a life force that flows through everything and cannot be measured or detected. Hmm! can't detect or measure it? Then how do you know its there? And these bloody Qi points or nodes...exactly what part of the genome codes for these undetectable points because no anatomy student has ever found them and no geneticist will be able to show you where they lie in your DNA.

Unproven, ineffective and sometimes dangerous medicines and treatments have been peddled throughout human history. When you have the likes of Jenny McCarthy and Susan Sommers blathering on about this crap, or if Oprah bloody Winfrey jammers on about it, the critical thinking part of one's brain should activate. At no time have I ever seen or heard an 'alternative medical' doctor (a word I use lightly) capable of withstanding a good old fashioned evidence-based critique of their dodgy science.

For those of you out there that would like to learn WHY this shit doesn't work, there are numerous books and journals, but a more user friendly (and funny) source is www.quackwatch.com. There are about 32 or so podcasts that go through and debunk many of the alternative medicines out there. Check it out, it'll hone your critical thinking skills

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» RE: Alternative Quackery Posted by: luzmejor
» It all depends on ONE THING Posted by: truthlover
» Are you a parrot? Posted by: wireup
» Your statements over-generalize Posted by: Defenestrator
The Guild
Posted by: Zeugitai on Jun 11, 2009 1:34 AM   
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Medical doctors and their American Medical Association are the single most powerful guild pulling strings behind the scenes in American government. They have established themselves as the royalty of the United States and guard their precious societal credibility fiercely. Good luck to anyone who would seek to throw light on them, their callousness, their greed, their true power, and their machinations. There isn't one single politico who would dare. It would be suicidal to the career. Oprah does, indeed, have the credibility to withstand attacks, and I give her a great deal of credit for daring to speak out in favor of alternatives to America's institutionalized monopoly in medicine, to our absurd, greed-based, insanely overpriced "health care system" that offers Americans cures for their ailments only at the cost of personal and family financial ruin.

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alt med is fake
Posted by: ROCCO on Jun 11, 2009 2:22 AM   
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This article is no different then the stool that the crazy righ wing folks spew out. Please check out www.quackwatch.com or read the sad results of phony alt medicine by going to childrenshealthcare.org. Evidenced based medicine is the best way, please be aware of the con man who claim natural methods. These stories make me reliaze that I make a mistake to give to this paper?

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» RE: alt med is fake Posted by: drich
Allopathic medicine is experimental
Posted by: Nheduanna on Jun 11, 2009 4:59 AM   
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I'd rather spend $$ out of pocket to see my acupuncturist than see a traditional MD for free. Acupuncture has been proven efficatious for over 1000 years. In the Seattle study, those who received benefit from toothpick stimulation of the place where a needle would have actually been inserted were helped because the point was stimulated, even if only a bit. Acupuncture has saved me from at least two surgeries. I use no prescription drugs, am rarely ill, and lead a physically active life at age 54, despiste being somewhat overweight.

Y'all can call quackery all you want. Go ahead, take Big Pharma's poisons and receive dismissive care from an MD who "practices" on you. Allopathic care is truly experimental.

It's not about Oprah. It's about health care. Allopathic MD's are running scared. If not, why would they bother to attack?

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placebo or treatment?
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jun 11, 2009 5:16 AM   
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Remember, this is the occupational category which supported its country club memberships with unnecessary hysterectomies until radical journalism began to tell all.

Alternative medicine has several efficacies--it requires the patient to pay attention and take responsibility for her own treatment.

It also invites attention and reinforcement from family and friends.

And it invites competitiveness from the physician.

All these, of course, in addition to any real benefits the alternative treatment may provide.

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Faith in allopathic medicine is still faith
Posted by: ritadona69 on Jun 11, 2009 5:42 AM   
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Lord knows I'm no fan of Oprah's, but I do believe in the mind/body connection as espoused by Deepak Chopra. I mean, if positive thoughts can influence a person's health and well-being, why can't negative thoughts do the same? And if a person feels more empowered through positive feedback from their physician or alt medicine practitioner, then how much better will they be able to handle their disease?


Allopathic medicine, unfortunately, uses the model that the patient is a list of symptoms to be treated, not a person with emotions or even thoughts about how they might best heal or even why they might have fallen ill to begin with. And if every "body" is different (metabolism, sensitivity to environmental conditions, etc.) then why would anyone think that any one set of pills would work for every single individual? Even men and women differ in their physiological responses to medications; the elderly and the very young do, too.

And to the person who wrote about double-blind placebo-controlled studies, what of all the drugs that get "approved" to market and then later get pulled because they kill people in statistically significant numbers? There are plenty of drugs out there, too, that doctors prescribe even though they're not quite sure why they work the way they do.

One last thought. My husband works for a pharmaceutical company. He says that if aspirin had to be subject to clinical trials today that it wouldn't get approved.

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» no, it isn't Posted by: inverse_agonist
» OH Please! Posted by: bornxeyed
Pay for the research
Posted by: Christian Southern Liberal on Jun 11, 2009 5:42 AM   
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I have been touting vitamin D for many years. It makes me feel better and I suspected that it would make others better also. But until very recently there was no research done on it. The research that has been done on vitamin C treatments entirely misses the mark. Alternative doctors who use IV vitamin C have had positive results at a higher that average rate, i.e. it is working for some people. But no one is funding a big study because there is no way to make a profit from vitamin C.

The advent of antibiotics has increased the human lifespan, but that does not mean that some of the tried and true methods/medicines are not effective for some people and for some health issues.

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» Vitamin D Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: antibiotics & garlic Posted by: clresu
» RE: Vitamin D Posted by: annamargaret1866
oh my
Posted by: realthog on Jun 11, 2009 6:17 AM   
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Alternet's promoting pseudoscience now. Who next? Sylvia Browne?

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I'm waiting for the
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 11, 2009 6:35 AM   
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aflac duck to walk across the screen quacking.

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vitriol
Posted by: WyrdSister on Jun 11, 2009 6:46 AM   
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wow. dont we have a bunch of cynics here this morning. an staggering amount of closed minds.

western medicine has not been around as long as eastern or alternative medicine. people have been using these methods eons longer than we have been a country.

western medicine is slow on the uptake when it comes to the mind-body connection. there is one, ya know. a closer connection that anyone realizes here in the west.

if you are brainwashed to the point of never going near alternatives, fine. but just know that your critizisms are exactly what big pharma wants you believe. its all about the $$ bottom line, there is no money to be made in things that make people better, but plenty to be made by keeping you sick and on medication for the rest of your life.

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» mind/body connection Posted by: inverse_agonist
» RE: mind/body connection Posted by: bizeeb
seriously?
Posted by: WyrdSister on Jun 11, 2009 7:05 AM   
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you people would rather trust these guys?

FDA approved drugs despite fraudlent testing

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Jun 11, 2009 7:32 AM   
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DC is a certifiable, 100%, grade A crackpot! If I think real hard and use "positive thinking" and life-force energy, do you think he will go away? Maybe I can "remote view" a new world for him to peddle his "new age" quackery? Maybe I can use the "law of infinitesimals" to shrink him down to the size of a golf ball so I can flush him down the drain!

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» RE: parrotuya Posted by: clresu
I expected this kind of codswallop from HuffPo...
Posted by: prairieguy on Jun 11, 2009 7:38 AM   
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But from you, alternet? For shame!

Seriously, how can this kind of woo get so much attention? Some of the posts above prove that there's a sucker born every minute, and furthermore seems to demonstrate the effects of the prolonged and persistent attacks on scientific literacy that have been occurring in the United States.

What's most humorous is that the kooks who go in for this garbage, necessitating more and more baroque lengths to justify their SCARY BIG PHARMA conspiracy nonsense can't see what's patently obvious: Chopra's book sales and Oprah's media empire are supported by the same gullible consumers desperate for some 'authority' to give them a trite answer to their life's problems that wind up in 'alternative' therapies. McCarthy's risible and dangerous bullshit and Chopra's hilarious spiritual manuals are simply mutually beneficial expressions on a spectrum of pathetic hucksterism that appeals to the same vapid audience and for whom Oprah has apparently become the high priestess.

Please, please don't give this guy any more space on this site!

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» "dangerious' Posted by: Sekhmetnakt
micko
Posted by: micko on Jun 11, 2009 7:49 AM   
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I know a woman who cured post-menopausal bleeding herself. Her gynecologist did a D&C (dilation and curettage) and told her that if that didn't work, to let him know right away because it would then have to be a hysterectomy. The D&C worked for about a week, and then she started bleeding again.

She decided to wait before telling her doctor. And meanwhile, she came across an article in a women's magazine about treating women who kept having spontaneous abortions. The treatment was simply huge amounts of calcium and vitamin C. I think the vitamin C was 10,000 a day. Might have been more.

The woman decided that if that could heal the lining of a young woman's uterus, it might do the same for her. After nine months of non-stop bleeding following the D&C, she gave the supplements a try. It took just a week of that for the bleeding to stop. She continued it for about a month, I believe, "just in case." And never bled again.

She has mentioned this to many physicians over the years, and received no positive response whatsoever. A pat on the head, so to speak, is all the medical world can think to do.

Another thing. While was waiting for my car to be repaired, I came across a short piece in Prevention magazine about acid reflux. I had been suffering for that for quite awhile; it interfered with my sleep, and made me miserable all day. I was living on antacids, including at one time the one that costs $100 per prescription (no better than over the counter, however). The article explained that the esophagus empties into the stomach at an angle, so that if you lie on your right side, the stomach acids can flow out and into the esophagus: thus, acid reflux.

Desperate for relief, I gave it a try. And that was the end of that. The only time I get even a hint of acid reflux is when I forget and turn onto my right side too soon in the night (it's okay, after the stomach has emptied, however). You often read about elevating the upper body to help prevent acid reflux, but that's only part of it. Lying on the left side, or elevated on your back, will prevent a lot of misery. But try mentioning that to a physician.

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» acid reflux Posted by: truthlover
» RE: micko Posted by: bornxeyed
micko
Posted by: micko on Jun 11, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Pseudo science. That's what they said about chiropractic for decades. Generations. And now it's a basic treatment, supported by insurance companies. I remember when my excellent chiropractor---all that stood between me and chronic pain---told me about medical doctor's families sneaking in his back door, so no one would know. I started parking on a street that had me walking past his back door, and sure enough, I myself saw them sneaking in that back door. This was at a time when the uproar about chiropractic "quackery" was at it most hysterical. You'd have thought chiropractic offices were brothels or opium dens, listening to mainstream medical practitioners.

Ancient practices so often work very well indeed, despite Western medicine's obstinacy. Just look at acupuncture. Many years ago, acupuncture treatment restored the use of my hands and relieved 90% of the pain. (The rest of the pain was due to irreparable joint damage.)

Sure, there are charlatans promoting all kinds of rot. But how many mainline doctors do no good whatsoever unless resorting to extreme (and expensive) practices such as hysterectomies and C-sections. Well, women's bodies have always been a great source of profit to the medical profession. And where's the outraged howling about that sort of thing? I don't see it anywhere in these comments.

Most of the rally good physicians that I know, are increasingly embracing alternative approaches, are open to new ideas. After all, it's the "practice" of medicine, which says it all. It's not like bookkeeping, where nothing changes because nothing new happens with whole (positive, real) numbers.

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Mr Chopra
Posted by: muzunguhowru on Jun 11, 2009 8:13 AM   
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is the last person to take seriously on this issue.. His self interest and personal profit motive is completely transparent and makes big Pharma look positively altruistic by comparison. No small trick.... Self absorbed celebrities practicing medicine by rumor causes great harm, deludes vulnerable people, and is truly despicable. We have scientific methods and regulation for a reason, imperfect though they may be. Snake oil salesman like Chopra who themselves operate completely outside science have no credibility whatsoever. Don't be fooled.

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BACK UP !!
Posted by: sirios on Jun 11, 2009 8:32 AM   
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Allopathic medicine and science are the alternatives here when we consider how long they have existed, compared to ancient healing modalities. The main distinction between these practices is, that "natural" medicine demands first and foremost that when a specific illness is being treated, the wholeness of the organism not be disturbed. In allopathic medicine, the specific illness is targeted, often at the expense of wholeness. allopathic medicine and science are symptoms of the perceptual disconnectedness of modern man/women from that which unifies the parts. Not everything has to be scientifically proven in order for it to be real. for example, almost everyone has experienced being in love, but when asked to "prove it", they cannot. does this mean that it wasn't or isn't true/real? Love is a reconnection to wholeness and natural medicine is using the mysterious wholeness of life while simultaneously attending to the diseased parts, to affect a "cure'. As amazing as allopathic medicine can be at saving the entity, it is equally amazing at contributing to the ongoing perceptual and emotional disconnect from the wholeness of life. A little side note that i find interesting is putting a drug compendium and a herb text side by side. the herb text will list multiple uses for one plant with little or no side affects while the drug text will have a short paragraph of uses and pages of side affects. How many people die each year from pharmaceuticals compared to herbs,vitamins,acupuncture,etc. ? I think we will find that those who are the most opposed to natural healing are the most disconnected from the wholeness of life. Their symptoms are arrogance and intolerance.

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» RE: good post Posted by: clresu
Deep pockets
Posted by: BWAlternet on Jun 11, 2009 8:57 AM   
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Don't need to agree with any side here; 2 trillion dollars buys a lot of professional posturing and auto-responsive sympathy. The vitriol, more than likely from paid insurgents and/or those whose income is related to the mainstream health care industry.

FYI - full disclosure (all should disclose what it is that you do for your income on a topic of this nature) - I'm an average family man not in the business, who has learned to trust the AMA/Pharma/Alternative Med only after careful review of the intent of statements and the source. Both sides have way too much BS to trust without question.

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Doctors need a little humility
Posted by: drich on Jun 11, 2009 9:09 AM   
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I think doctors need to have a little humility. There is much we don't understand about the human body and health. Maybe even more than what we DO understand.

Consider the placebo effect. That alone should be seen as an indication that there is still much we don't understand.

The AMA position displays an incredible amount of hubris.

I know that doctors are trying to effect positive results for their patients, but they also need to be constantly aware of the limitations of medical knowledge.

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» placebo effect Posted by: inverse_agonist
» mainstream neuroscientists Posted by: mgmyers79
Medical industry bubble
Posted by: deniseland on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 AM   
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The medical industry has always done a lot of lashing out at people, Oprah is now no exception. After many decades of unnecessary procedures and surgeries dispensed by arrogant doctors, especially gynecologists, the bubble is finally about to burst, which is why the AMA is lashing out against true health insurance reform. There's a book that talks about a lot of the reasons why and how this is hurting women called THE H WORD. I recommend it. Oprah should read it. It's time to start leading, and then the leaders will have no choice but to follow.....

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The goddamned medical world has been privatized ages ago.
Posted by: John More on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 AM   
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And why does it take Oprah to make a case? The preacher queen would be better off talking about her experience with the new male pantyhose she wore at Obama's inauguration and talk about the massaging and health benefits of wearing pantyhose and see how many men and women wear them and show off in them.

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nurses believe in Alt Med
Posted by: rosarugosa on Jun 11, 2009 9:53 AM   
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Over 4000 members of the American Holistic Nurses Association (www.AHNA.org) believe in the theory and practice of alternative modalities. We learn and research and become competent ourselves in alternative therapies like Cranial Sacral bodywork, massage, aromatherapy, herbal therapy, Healing Touch, yoga etc. We appreciate allopathic medicine for what it does but see a place for another approach as well.
For myself, I found acupuncture and Chinese herbs wonderful for a chronic hip and lower back pain unrelieved by anti inflammatory meds that, in addition also caused stomach pain.
I appreciate the fact that Oprah is opening a window of new thought for a broad section of the public that would not pick up a book by Andrew Weil or Dean Ornish who are changing the medical landscape of thought for physicans albeit very slowly.

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What's wrong with the ignorant posters on this article?
Posted by: wireup on Jun 11, 2009 10:05 AM   
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I read through this article and pretty much agree with what the author has written. I base my agreement on 30+ YEARS of involvement with alternative medicine after 30+ years of following the advice of doctors who didn't know what the HELL they were doing.

Doctors who did NOTHING but prescribe one medication after another that did absolutely NOTHING to help the multiple problems I had and in fact further aggravated my health problems.

It was only AFTER I took matters into my own hands and began changing my diet and exploring the fascinating world of alternative modalities that I began to heal my body.

Today, at the age of 64, I'm healthier than I have ever been.

So, I respectfully suggest that you refrain from spouting ignorant opinions.

I suggest that you try opening your minds.

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!#%*
Posted by: sirios on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 AM   
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To all those detractors of natural healing modalities-
SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU ARROGANT SMALL MINDED SHRIVELED UP HEARTS ASSHOLES. I hope you all suffer from some horrible medical malpractice soon. This country was founded by Puritan pricks who's main goal was to criticize and tell others what to do. FUCK YOU,FUCK SCIENCE,AND FUCK ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE AND THE DRUG COMPANIES. They are the criminals and charlatans here with their internal pollution and arrogance. You denounce that which cannot be proven scientifically and yet desire that which is the most unscientific aspect in life, love and compassion. you are all a bunch of loudmouthed pathetic hypocrites.

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» whoa Posted by: clresu
» sorry Posted by: sirios
» It's alright. Posted by: clresu
umm, people...
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 AM   
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Let's say all alt-med is wrong. How does that make big$-med right? IT DOESN'T. Each side has to prove their own case. That's why you have to have the gain on your bullshitometer cranked up when dealing with any of them.

#@!

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Uh, oh...you're in for it now.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 11, 2009 10:38 AM   
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The benefit of lifestyle changes has been grossly underestimated and underused. Coronary heart disease, prostate cancer/breast cancer, diabetes, and obesity account for 75% of health care costs, yet the progression of these diseases may often be stopped or even reversed by making intensive lifestyle changes.

Very few folks are smitten by the idea of healthy living, and pass off these suggestions as a vast conspiracy to fool people into personal responsibility. Or whatever excuse makes that burger more palatable and that ciggy a bit smoother.

Such is man. Go figure.

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Mind-Body Connection
Posted by: Paolo on Jun 11, 2009 10:39 AM   
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Anyone who doubts the mind body connection need only read the well documented book Social Intelligence by Daniel Goleman.

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Scientific method
Posted by: truthlover on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 AM   
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I saw a newspaper article this morning telling everyone how dangerous alternative medicines are for cancer patients.

It started with a horrific story of a lady who had taken alternative treatments and "waited until it was too late" to get "effective" treatment. It detailed her physical and psychological suffering.

This story was referred to throughout the article to increase the scare effect.

Citing a story like this is called "anecdotal evidence" and scientific method demands that it not be taken too seriously as there is no indication of how typical it is, nor the details of treatment, nor whether the patient was compliant, etc., etc.

When a case is cited where someone's tumor disappears after alternative treatment (and yes, this does happen), this is treated with the all the contempt poured on "anecdotal evidence" that the medical establishment can muster.

Yet THIS case was held up as a dire warning, with the implication it was typical.

The other glaring omission was an example of the many, very nasty, multiple-disorder reactions (including horrible deaths) which are carefully documented in detail by the medical establishment. In many cases these are definitely known to have been caused by the drug.

Boy, some of those would knock the socks off their story!

Oh, but watch out! Don't take too much vitamin C!

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» RE: Scientific method Posted by: Lilly
I Use Both
Posted by: dudelette on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 AM   
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I use regular and alternative treatments. Herbs are medicine that is available over the counter. I've used chiropractic, which has been shown to work better for soft tissue injuries than standard medicine. I've used acupuncture, massage from a certified therapist, and supplements. I just took some echinacea (aerial parts only) for a cold I'm getting.

My standard medicine doctors have started recommending supplements for different issues. I've learned what works for me. I'm willing to try new treatment recommendations. But I also just had the turbinades reduced in conjunction with correcting a deviated septum, because my allergies have not gotten better, no matter what I try.

However, as another poster reported, giving people like Jenny McCarthy (see the Jenny McCarthy body count: http://tinyurl.com/c6wrju ) open forums and support, causes people who trust Oprah (who is really not that intelligent, just very charismatic) to trust the bulls*** handed out by these people.

Having a good mental attitude is important, and it can contribute to the placebo effect; it certainly can't hurt. But trusting a good attitude to cure disease is foolish.

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These comments remind of the Right Wing bots and also Israel Supremacy bots
Posted by: meronkun on Jun 11, 2009 11:07 AM   
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Is that what's going on here? Or is this actually alternet's opinion? I will have no idea.

I didn't read this article, but the obvious fact to me after having been through enough of a medical hell hole is that there is absolutely no FAIR research given to most any treatment outside huge pharmaceuticals, and none at all unless it is being funded with intent to discredit.

If you do your research (which I've noticed I've been explicitly warned against in recent years - "Don't research this medicine, you'll only wory yourself."), and dig are way through tons of buried or unmentioned clinical trials, we CAN discover that most of the medicines we are prescribed are both unnecessary and largely toxic in various ways, including addiction.

But we know nothing on a similar scale about alternative treatments, and we may never know.

This leaves the sick with only one credible option, and it sucks - NEVER trust doctors, Try to intuit what treatment might work for yourself, become your own lab trial and sort out the subjective experiences of others online, eventually place a blind faith in what you think is a cure, whether or not it is accepted, and then go for it.

The situation leaves us with no other practiceable alternative.

And this isn't just about America but for any country in which capitalism is stronger than government - so most of Europe as well, look into Kava for example, or aspartame for that matter...

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Step back a bit
Posted by: nen on Jun 11, 2009 11:10 AM   
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Just think for a moment about what you're saying, all you folks who think alternative medicine is crap. Let's stop talking about Oprah. I don't watch that stuff ever since most of her shows started being about makeovers and beauty products. And I don't CARE who wrote the article. He brings up good points okay?

What IS alternative medicine? It's stuff that your everyday doctor or specialist doesn't deal with.

What does it entail? Usually exercise, dietary evaluation, some form of relaxation technique, and some way of putting one's life situation into perspective. Are any of these things quackery? Of course not.

Think you can't change the body's chemical composition without pumping drugs into it? Consider this: when you're stressed, your body's acidity levels increase. I myself have had a stress-induced stomach ulcer. It stands to reason you should be able to reverse such unpleasant chemical changes, and others. Even if it doesn't cure you of your illness, alternative medicine can put you in a better position to recover and cope.

I'm not even going to tell you the ways I've seen alternative medicine work because I know you don't care about anecdotal evidence.

But if you're paid by a pharmaceutical company, don't comment here. You have a very obvious conflict of interest going on. If you're an "official doctor" who doesn't believe in alternative medicine, I don't want to hear from you. Because sick people are the ones lining your pockets. If you think that yoga is a load of crap, I will say to you that I pity any sexual partners you have or may have at a future time for your lack of flexibility, stamina, and attention to bodily reactions to various stimuli. By all means flip on the TV, eat your Asprin(TM), and convince yourself that your doctor knows all, sees all and everything is going to be okay.

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Chopra is a medical doctor, too
Posted by: clresu on Jun 11, 2009 11:28 AM   
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He specialized in internal medicine, and is board-certified in internal medicine, endocrinology, and metabolism. He's licensed to practice in MA & CA and is a member of AMA and a Fellow of the American College of Physicians. He taught medicine and had a large private practice as well.

So, I don't think we can relegate to off into the quackery section, as if he's touting all sorts of nonsense and knows nothing of conventional medicine. It's indeed the fact that he does know so much about it, is actually a medical doctor, too, that makes his criticisms very hard to whisk away.

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» appeals to authority Posted by: inverse_agonist
2 approaches to medicine
Posted by: marxalot on Jun 11, 2009 11:28 AM   
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If I get a serious physical injury there is no place I'd rather be than a modern fully equipped ER.

For most other health matters I prefer the Eastern wisdom traditions that address Chi specifically, but also herbal and prayer practices. This approach is all about maintaining a balanced physical system.

The anti-spiritual hard-science types will never accept this and the less intelligent among them will always post things like cursing Mr. Chopra and etc.

No worries. I accept that I share the world with others whose opinions are not my own.

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The Beef Council unsuccessfully sued Oprah for advocating against eating meat,
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Jun 11, 2009 12:33 PM   
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and now this. She'll survive another attempt at censorship. She's been tested and is strong.

I did lose respect for Oprah, however, when her magazine made light of the dangers of parabens and phthalates in bath and body products and makeup, in an editorial. It said that you could buy products free of these controversial ingredients, but indicated that there is really no need to. It concluded with something like "if you double check all your locks before going to bed, you will be interested in these products touted as safer". I couldn't help but think how people like Oprah want to weep and show those cute pink ribbons over the issue of breast cancer, yet will make light of substances that are always found concentrated in breast tumors.

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Oprah Winfrey Sponsors Quacks and Frauds
Posted by: Davidkevin on Jun 11, 2009 3:08 PM   
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Oprah sponsors quacks and frauds. From self-described Satanists in the '80s ("We kill and eat babies and so do those Wiccans, they just lie about it") to unlicensed pseudo-therapist and bully Phil McGraw to Playboy-centerfold turned autism "expert" Jenny McCarthy, Oprah Winfrey takes a forum which could educate millions of people and instead feeds them snake oil.

Thousands of children will become sick, and some of them will die, from childhood diseases which vaccination has eradicated. I got measles, rubella, mumps, and chickenpox all before the age of ten. My sons are eighteen and fifteen and have never had any of them. With continued attention to booster shots as required, they never will. They also will not get hepatitis-A or hepatitis-B, which caused the liver cancer that killed my mother.

With continued mass vaccination, we are well on the way to eradicating polio from the planet, as we did to smallpox in 1979.

Not vaccinating your children puts them at risk -- for pain, for disfigurement, for death. It's as simple as that. And that risk, that pain, that disfigurement, that death, is what Oprah Winfrey endorses.

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It doesn't have to be all one or the other
Posted by: ArtOfMe on Jun 11, 2009 5:59 PM   
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Modern medicine in the United States has its downsides, certainly. There should be more of an emphasis on preventative care and wholesome living, including a healthy diet and adequate exercise, so that patients aren't laden with drugs for high blood pressure and cholesterol because they've eaten so much red meat and have sedentary, polluted lifestyles. Consumers should be informed of the harmful chemicals in so many of the products we use in our homes and in the food we eat. The health care industry primarily exists for profit and denies people access to insurance.

But this isn't an either/or situation. Proper medicine works because it follows the logical scientific method. The pharmaceutical industry definitely has its drawbacks, and many people probably could have their health problems solved without having pills shoved at them. But chakra lines aren't going to do anything for health problems. Alternative remedies aren't regulated, and therefore people might take something in an amount that is unhealthy for them. Modern, regulated medicine takes its ingredients from the same plants and other sources as much alternative medicine: it just takes the bad stuff out and puts it in a dosage and form that people can use.

I still think Oprah is promoting quack science that isn't going to help anyone, regardless of one's feelings about medicine.

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Hell Has Frozen
Posted by: Lilly on Jun 11, 2009 8:23 PM   
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At last, the extreme left and the extreme right agree on something. Townhall.com (conservative website developed by The Heritage Foundation) has a regular advertiser who blogs on for pages about how mainstream physicians are either too stupid to know how to cure their patients or too greedy to cure them since keeping them sick is more profitable. After about twenty pages of this you come to the punch line: subscribe to a medical newsletter (for $$$) and if you have any medical questions you can email the publisher's staff, just sitting there waiting for to treat (and cure) whatever ails you, via email.

And here I thought the left was smarter than the right.

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The Proof Is In The Pudding
Posted by: oldhippie on Jun 11, 2009 9:16 PM   
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Well, all of you who believe that alternative medicine is quackery, just keep on going to the MDs, taking their expensive prescription drugs, submitting yourselves to their botched surgery, and you won't be around much longer to protest. I am 73 years old and have outlived most of my relatives, who all said I was crazy. I haven't seen an MD in more than 20 years. I've had some narrow escapes, but finally saw the light. My cousin told me I wouldn't be around long, but she died about 10 years ago when her insulin pump malfunctioned. The minister at my church went to the hospital on Christmas Eve complaining of breathing difficulties. She was given two shots of something and by morning was dead due to kidney failure. The mother of a friend had surgery to repair her bladder. Something was left inside, she developed an infection, and gangrene in her leg, and the leg finally was amputated. Another friend was given medication for high blood pressure and it caused her to have diabetes. A man I know took Lipitor and it caused him to lose his memory, among other symptoms. Another man I know had radiation for rectal cancer, which burned up part of his colon. Then they had to remove that. I could write a book about this and probably should. But most of the population still believes in what the medical and drug industries tell them. It's too bad they can't see through this chicanery. My grandmother lived to be 92 and never took anything. Of course, she raised her own food, seldom ate out, stayed away from doctors, and lived a simple life. Until people take responsiblity for their own health, do some of their own research, and stop beliving the malarky put out by MDs, they are going to keep suffering and dying at an early age. Those of us "crazies" who embrace alternative medicine will still be here to attend their funerals.

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This is about our FREEDOM of medical choice!
Posted by: VegaNOLA on Jun 11, 2009 10:27 PM   
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Beware of paid lobbyists blogging as concerned citizens! I've begun to expect these blogging forums to be fertile ground for lobbyist propaganda. The AMA is a lobbying association. Their objective is to discredit all forms of competition. What a better place to do so than a blog where all statements pass unsubstantiated. I find it hard to believe that an average person would be driven to discredit alternatives to anything really. If you don't believe something will help you, then you can choose not to be a consumer of it. But the AMA actively tries to eliminate alternative choices, not only in the public eye, but through the courts. Legislating monopoly is the AMA's intention, not improving healthcare! The public's best interest has little to do with their objectives.

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acupuncture REALLY works
Posted by: stickem Up on Jun 12, 2009 9:08 AM   
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I tried acupuncture for my depression. I have tried Prozac and other meds including St. John's Wort. I felt amazing in just 15 minutes with NO side effects, except to my wallet. Since insurance doesn't cover it, but it's worth every penny. Unfortunately, the depression comes back every 24 days or so with hormones. Now I get acupuncture every 6 weeks or so and I have never felt better in my life (nearly 40). My acupunturist INSISTED that I continue to exercise and eat healthy to improve my condition.
Don't knock it until you've tried it, chicken.
Doctors especially in Indianapolis where I live want you to stay on Prozac because Lilly is HQ'd here. I was A ZOMBIE, Prozac is horrible, expensive and I lost interest in sex. NO THANKS!

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A Refreshing Alternative Perspective
Posted by: PublicSphere on Jun 12, 2009 9:40 AM   
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Clearly the most recent "rants" posted failed to read the article -- individuals who I guess are so invested in the mainstream medical and insurance industry that the can't see beyond their virulent anger. I suggest, Take a deep breath and read about the benefits of alternative medicine instead of attacking with name calling. DEEPAK CHOPRA offers a way that has worked for million of people, including myself and many friends...

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Flu for thought
Posted by: pomes on Jun 12, 2009 10:58 AM   
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The bit about doctors telling their patients that vitamins are just "expensive urine" even though 80%+ of docs rely on them is so true and cracks me up. When it comes to their own health, they're not going to take any chances. I know, I work with health care providers every day.

Doctors and nurses are also the group least likely to get FLU SHOTS!!! At the same time, they will all but accuse you of infecting your children if you refuse the same. What does THAT tell you?

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Studies of acupuncture and dietary supplements
Posted by: Defenestrator on Jun 12, 2009 2:47 PM   
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(repeat post)

There is a lot of over-generalization in some of these posts. You cannot say that "all alternative medicine is quackery" ... that's nonsense, especially if you are not defining the term "alternative medicine".

WHICH "alternative medicine" type are you talking about?

acupunture for pain?

acupunture for pain?

dietary supplements for head injury?

dietary supplements for head injury?

There are many more examples.

Those are forms of "alternative medicine" which have been well studied and published in peer-reviewed journals. I'm a neuroscientist, right now my department is doing a study on acupressure and recovery from closed-head injury. Guess what? It helps.

There is plenty of quackery out there. Distinctions need to be made.

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2.5 Billion
Posted by: sheldon101 on Jun 12, 2009 9:01 PM   
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2.5 Billion

Even today 2.5 Billion Dollars isn't a small chunk of change.

That's how much has been spent by the US government on testing alternative medicines and therapies. And these tests have been done by a very friendly group and organization.

And the result?
.....Drum Roll...
And the result is exactly what you would expect --- if you don't worship Oprah and Chopra.
Almost nothing.
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=554

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burningman
Posted by: wcox on Jun 12, 2009 11:15 PM   
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The care of humans should be based in science when possible, not seat of the pants opinion even if it goes back 3000 years. The placebo affect is quite real and that is why science based medical research builds in statistical controls for it. Decarte was wrong, there is no mind-body dichotomy. Human biology and the human condition are so complex it is hard to imagine that we will ever totally understand all of it, but we will not make any real progress if we abandon the scientific method in the process. We know for sure that arguments based on opinion only are totally unrelaible and evidenced based medicine is the only firm ground we have. Be skeptical and read the science, not opinions, when possible. Attacks on "orginized medicine" or on individuals or "alternitive medicine" are only distractions from looking at the scientific studies. Take pains to educate youself. Don't allow youself to be spoon-fed fectless drivel by celebrities.

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[citation needed] ... many times over
Posted by: Singe on Jun 13, 2009 1:09 AM   
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"tiresome blend of gotcha journalism and selective fact-reporting that fills tabloid coffers."

Actually no, it was rational reporting about Oprah's endorsement of pseudosciences.

"Her intention to improve women's lives on all fronts is so obvious as to be almost above criticism."

I like that qualifier. Oprah is ALMOST above criticism. Right.

"is not the same as Oprah herself endorsing what they say."

Actually, that's pretty much what it is. If she brings these people on her show and doesn't refute their nonsense clearly, it's more or less an endorsement.

"She brings up creative solutions to problems that medical science is baffled by"

Baffled by? Citation needed.

"Obviously they do, or we wouldn't have the placebo effect, which comes into play at least 30% of the time in illness."

Citation needed.

"the attitude toward alternative medicine will be one of unfounded disdain, suspicion, and ignorance on the part of physicians."

Sorry, no. If you want to demonstrate valid "alternative" medicine, you need to provide scientific evidence of its efficacy. THAT'S where the suspicion comes from.

"addicted to drugs and surgery as the two constant drumbeats of treatment"

Drugs and surgery heal millions. Are these bad things somehow?

"In Seattle a recent study of 638 patients with chronic lower back pain..."

Okay for one... that's a STUDY. An actual scientific study. Not guessing about folk remedies. Actual science. Second, Newsweek didn't criticize Oprah for anything related to acupuncture.

"...dietary supplements like vitamins and minerals. This, despite the fact that mainstream doctors frequently tell their patients that the only benefit of such supplements is "expensive urine.""

Excuse me? "frequently?" I've never ever heard any doctor say this ever. And some dietary supplements ARE worthless. Others are not. Guess how you find out which are which? Scientific studies.

"They continue to be used in the face of perennial findings that neither procedure increases life expectancy."

Citation needed.

"In the past, such common procedures as hysterectomies and radical mastectomies were widely performed without testing their efficacy."

Citation needed. Also, this doesn't make Oprah "right".

"Does the most brilliant researcher in the world know why cancer sometimes spontaneously disappears?"

Yes, actually.

"The answer is no."

Excuse me? CITATION NEEDED. I call shenanigans.

"The article sneers at the popular movement linking autism with childhood vaccination, yet current understanding looks at autism as a complex, multi-factorial condition in which some cases could be influenced by an outside factor like a vaccine."

THIS HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED BY SCIENCE THOROUGHLY AND NO LINK WAS FOUND.

"...human distress leads to biological distress. Doctors don't officially believe that; millions of ordinary citizens do."

Excuse me? Doctors don't believe this? Which doctors are these?

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Posted by: Don Quixot on Jun 13, 2009 5:08 AM   
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The ignorance Icuzan and others show on Acupuncture is proportionate to their arrogance, two things that always go together. Acupuncture points and meridians have a different electrical resistance than the rest of the skin, and can therefore be detected easily by anyone with a pointfinder, of which there are many models costing a few bucks.

In old China, people paid the doctor a monthly fee when they were healthy, and stopped paying when they got sick, which is logical, they could not work then and therefore could not pay. It was a system based on health. Our system is based on sickness, and the more people who are sick, the more profits for the health maffia of pharmaceuticals, hospitals, doctors, drugstores, etc.

Doctors should also swear to defend the interests of their patients over those of the pharma-industry. The US is a corporate dictatorship in democratic disguise. It has the most expensive and worst “health” system of any modern country. Sorry, but that is the naked truth.

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Thank you
Posted by: Shey on Jun 13, 2009 10:04 AM   
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for an excellent article. I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of commenters who understand the concept of so-called "alternative" medical practices.

Big Pharma is killing people, especially with anti-depressants. I'm amazed at how few people are aware that the FDA approves medications almost exclusively based on studies given to them by the pharmaceutical companies that develop, manufacture, market and make a fortune from those medications.

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Toothpick Acupuncture isn't Fake Acupuncture
Posted by: Karen Vaughan on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 AM   
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The study that showed acupuncture worked better than conventional western treatment included different forms of acupuncture, but none of it was "fake". Acupuncture is the stimulation of acupuncture points, not the puncture of them. Japanese acupuncture uses lots of techniques on the surface of the skin. So we know from the study that acupuncture works better than western medicine for back pain, even when done with unconventional instruments.
www.acupuncturebrooklyn.com

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Oprah is a moron.
Posted by: jackman on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 AM   
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Oprah is an idiot, that's why. She has no health qualifications.

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What's alternative in the U.S. is mainstream in Europe and Asia!!!!
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I receive an excellent health newsletter from the holistic women's health clinic, Women to Women Women to Women and here is what lead practitioner Marcelle Pick had to say:

“The thing that is most upsetting to me about the recent attempt to undermine Oprah’s approach,” says Pick, “is that it doesn’t present a balanced perspective on alternative therapies and the role they play in our wellness. There is a substantial body of scientific literature supporting alternative approaches, which is why more and more Americans are choosing to include an alternative perspective when considering their health. Much of what is considered as alternative in our country is part of the conventional standard of care in Europe and Asia, where alternative therapies have been helping people for centuries.”

Food for thought!

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