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Homophobia on Prime Time: Judges from 'So You Think You Can Dance' Freak Out Over Two Men Dancing Together

By Greta Christina, Greta Christina's Blog. Posted June 6, 2009.


They were so freaked out that they were unable to render a verdict on the pair's dancing, and insisted that each man repeat the audition with a woman.
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So what does it mean when people in the dance world -- I repeat, the dance world -- are shocked and confused at the sight of two men dancing together?

A couple of weeks ago the TV show "So You Think You Can Dance" premiered its new season. It started, as always, by showcasing highlights from the audition process.

And it showed, for the first time in the show's five-year history, an audition of two men doing ballroom dance together: Misha Belfer and Mitchel Kibel. And the judges were completely flummoxed. They were not just confused -- a word two of the three judges used to describe their reactions. They were visibly upset. They were so freaked out that they were unable to render a verdict on the pair's dancing, and insisted that each man repeat the audition with a woman, so they could accurately judge the men's dancing without the distraction of the same-sexness of it all.

Here, so you can judge for yourself, are a few samples of the judges' comments. (For those who think I might be taking these out of context -- or who just don't feel that their blood pressure is high enough -- a complete transcript of the judging scene is at the end of this piece.)

Nigel Lythgoe: "I'm certainly one of those people that really like to see guys be guys and girls be girls on stage. I don't think I liked it, to be frank."

Mary Murphy: This is the first time, honestly, for me to see it. I'm confused, because I see that sometimes you're both being the female role and sometimes the male, so, like, and then sometimes you'll do the trick and then he does it, too. So it confuses me.

(Quick note: Switching back and forth rapidly between lead and follow in a dance -- what I assume Mary meant by "the male role" and "the female role" -- is unbelievably hard to do. It's even harder to do it gracefully and seamlessly. The fact that these dancers were able to do this should not have been freaking these judges out. It should have been making them give high marks.)

MM: It was hard for me to even kind of focus on that technique, 'cause I was still just trying to figure out ... It would have been easier for me, in other words, if, if one person was playing the female role and one was playing the male role.

Sonya Tayeh: I'm saying that in the genre that I've seen, when I see this approach (gesturing), which, I usually see it from the female perspective. I relate more to it as a female. So I just get confused. You guys are both amazing, and the movement quality, but I was just confused in terms of the, the classical form.

NL: Do you know what? I'd like to see you both dancing with a girl.

MM: I would, too.

ST: Me, too.

NL: You never know. You might enjoy that! (Smirking) All right, see you later.

(And at this point, both dancers were sent on to the group choreography, so they could be judged on their dancing with women.)

Now, to be fair -- for some reason, even though this is making me spitting mad, I still feel compelled to be fair -- I don't think this is homophobia in the strictest sense of the word. I don't think the judges are fearful or hostile towards gay people. These judges are dance people, and I'm sure they've all met and worked with kajillions of gay men before, with no problem. (And in fact, one of these two dancers isn't gay. Mitchel is a straight guy, originally from the straight ballroom dance world, who switched to same-sex ballroom because it didn't work out with his female dance partner, and he wanted an opportunity to keep dancing.)

I think it's what I call "dance homophobia." It's something I've encountered in the dance world before. People are reasonably accepting of LGBT people and our LGBT-ness in our personal lives ... but on the dance floor, it's Heteronormative City. Men are supposed to be men, women are supposed to be women, each is supposed to dance in a certain way, and they're bloody well supposed to dance with each other.

So you think you can dance 2It's the aspect of homophobia that's about a deep attachment to rigid gender roles, and that sees homosexuality as upsetting those roles. (Which, in fact, it is.) It's the aspect of homophobia that sees certain kinds of interactions -- in this case, partner dancing -- as being about one person expressing masculinity and the other person expressing femininity, with the two fitting together in some sort of magically ordained way ... and that gets confused at best, and upset at worst, when people call those roles and assumptions into question.


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Truth is an Echo
Posted by: HoboHomo on Jun 6, 2009 1:16 AM   
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This is a good time to simply echo what another commenter stated ("login@bugmenot.com") in an earlier article dealing with the gay issue:

The low number of comments (9 so far) on this article compared to the dozens of comments on other articles here on Alternet goes to show that when it comes to gay rights, the American people don't care.

I will also take this moment to express my gratitude to the excellent folks at alternet for incorporating gay-pertinent issues into the liberal mix...and doing so with respectful frequency, and rightful disregard of any possible or probable homophobic backlash.

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» RE: Truth is an Echo Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: Truth is an Echo Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: ACTUALLY, I DO CARE Posted by: joeocho88
Study: Bans on gay marriage lead to rise in HIV infections
Posted by: rakista on Jun 6, 2009 1:29 AM   
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Gay marriage bans can be tied to a rise in HIV infections, according to a new study by economists at Atlanta's Emory University..

Been saying this for years, hopefully seeing it confirmed by a study can give us a new angle to attack marriage bigotry.

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As I understand it, So You Think You Can Dance is a joke in the serious dance world
Posted by: jparsons on Jun 6, 2009 2:18 AM   
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...and appeals to the lowest common denominator - TV
watchers.

Who is surprised that the judges show shallow, conservative and inflexible opinions?

In a nutshell, "you are alienating a lot of the audience" - that's what is paramount here. They are
afraid that their viewers will switch off in disgust
and lose ad money.

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Yes...or maybe
Posted by: cyn310 on Jun 6, 2009 3:39 AM   
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Since every other couple is male/female, what would be the fair way to judge this couple? Maybe that's what confused them. Traditionally aren't the women judged for one set of performance factors and the men another? I don't watch that show. I hate reality/talent search shows, but people are sometimes labeled homophobic just because they don't give a gay person what he or she wants. I think that is grossly unfair. If I were a judge, I would have made them meet the same criteria as everyone else in order for the judging to be fair. That just makes sense.

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» Not a maybe!? Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: Not a maybe!? Posted by: f2411
Otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 6, 2009 5:18 AM   
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What would the judges do with Greek dancers? Or Russian ones, where the men dance separately from the women. I remember 40 years ago along the Houston Ship channel, being entertained at a bar by Greek sailors who did acrobatic dances with just males as partners.

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» RE: Otto Posted by: Jennie
Personally I Wouldn't Care if A Girl Turned Up For Lesbos in The European Cup Soccer Final
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 6, 2009 5:21 AM   
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I wouldn't care if Girls started using the Gents toilets (and sometimes they do when there is a big Queue for the Ladies)

But its against the rules - and accepted norm

This article is downright stupid and does absolutely nothing to advance any cause.

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I may be totally wrong..
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jun 6, 2009 5:24 AM   
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but I'm a dancin' fool.

RIP: Sheik Yerbouti

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Wow!
Posted by: Taylor Siluwe on Jun 6, 2009 5:49 AM   
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I'm speechless. It's like finding out Elton John is a homophobe.

This just blows my mind. And just blows.

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Overly politically correct article
Posted by: Erin on Jun 6, 2009 6:06 AM   
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I am gay and a gay right activist. I have a dance background. I do not understand why this writer is so upset. First and foremost, the judges were trying to uses the rules of dance to make their decisions. This dance (ballroom) has specific rules as to proper technique. This couple was not that good to begin with, and then they kept changing from one leading to the other doing the leading. It was just very chaotic and it was done awkwardly. Not a performance that would be a winner, anyway. I do not believe that any of the judges are homophobic, and some of the judges and choreographers on that show are gay.

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» THANK YOU !! Posted by: sirios
» RE: Oh, so they were too creative? Posted by: efrainstacy
I was shockd at the intolerance on that show
Posted by: Lumara on Jun 6, 2009 7:08 AM   
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I watched that show and couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was shocked that people in the dance world would be so intolerant of something so innocuous as two men dancing together. One of the men was straight and couldn't find anyone else to dance with. It was not a big deal and it shouldn't have been handled in such a bigoted manner.

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People don't want to see that
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jun 6, 2009 7:29 AM   
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It's not pretty. It's not entertaining. SYTYCD is a show. The producers want to keep eyes glued to the screen. Hot chicks will do that; guys dancing as couples will not. This is not relevant to gay rights, and implying that it is relevant is counterproductive to that agenda. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean they have to broadcast it in prime time HD.

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Not saying they're homophobic, but still upsetting
Posted by: calynne on Jun 6, 2009 7:28 AM   
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After watching this show for many years, being a dancer, and having choreographed all female tango partner routines myself, I am disappointed this year in the judges comments, not only on this issue. I have always seen this show as being really open-minded and progressive for its art form. And this year they have suddenly found themselves in a gender hang-up. I don't think it has anything to do with homophobia, but I believe the judges are getting stuck on what's male and what's female about dancing and not allowing their art to progress into an era less defined by gender stereotypes and more defined by body capabilities and personal styles of movement.

The silly thing about all of this is that the two guys were not that good of dancers together. You could tell they still needed a lot of work communicating between each other on their lead, and developing their individual strengths and playing to each of them. The judges could have easily focused on their technique and performance quality and never even discussed the fact that two men were dancing together, but they got distracted by their preset gender stereotypes. One of the judges also told another dancer, Kupono Aweau, that initially they were put off by his feminine movement style. He is now in the top 20.

I really hope they move past this hangup to continue with a great show that is doing a lot for the dance community. Homophobia on SYTYCD? I'm not really seeing it. But gender stereotypes that they need to move past, definitely!

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Stupid show...
Posted by: clvngodess on Jun 6, 2009 7:39 AM   
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... stupid judges. Stupid producers. Waste of air time. And it's on FOX, right? (I can't stand the show, it's lame. I'd rather watch paint dry.)

All of that aside, it's DANCE. Um, that signals a lot of gender bending freedom, to me. Frankly, I prefer to see things in ART that challenge patriarchy, the "norm", or perceptions all together. THAT'S what makes ART of all kinds, RELEVANT. Remember folks, it's not always about tradition, matching the couch, or fitting into an otherwise very beige society.

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» RE: Stupid show... Posted by: kungfuma
Out of thousands of straight auditions they didn't show
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jun 6, 2009 7:54 AM   
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they DID show the two guys dancing together. They geve the contestants a fair chance to compete regardless of sexual orientation.

Gay dancers have to be able to dance straight; you can't get through a dance contest without successfully accomplishing that feat. Most professional dancing gigs also involve playing straight characters.

If you were straight actor trying out to play the part of a swishing prancer, you would have to demonstrate your ability to convincingly swish and prance. Otherwise, you wouldn't make the cut. That's not unfair.

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The judges on So you think you can dance...
Posted by: g on Jun 6, 2009 8:39 AM   
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.... think they can say anything they want. I saw the choreographer Martin slam a dancer because 'he rubbed her the wrong way' (with no hint as to what exactly was rubbing her the wrong way). They are in that position because they are supposed to be competent, yet they rarely ever give comments that are constructive or that tell you anything about why a dancer is good or bad. They are used to open their mouth and speak with practically zero accountability. I am not surprised in the least. They think of themselves as artists, and they think of artists as 'free spirits' that are not accountable to anyone and impenetrable by logic and facts (most real artists are not like that-in my experience: they are very reflexive about art). Really what they are is narrow minded individuals chock full of prejudices and blind to them. Again, their slamming the male couple is perfectly consistent with everything I have seen on that show. I enjoy seeing the guys and gals dance, it's great. But whenever the 'judges' start yapping I mute them. Thank God for the remote.

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This was a litmus test to see how Americans would react
Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 6, 2009 8:47 AM   
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and Americans are as intolerant as ever.

Not because we want to be; it's just the way we were brought up.
Order in the world means (to some) certain things have to be done in certain ways.
To disrupt that order creates chaos in their lives.

America grew up with and embraced Archie Bunker.
Until that generation is over the hill, we will continue to relegate the LGBT community to the status of Jews in 1936 Germany.
Easy targets.

Seems every group needs another group to step on to feel taller.

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Remember: THIS IS A SHOW
Posted by: magistre on Jun 6, 2009 9:00 AM   
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and as such it needs/lives on ratings and there is no such thing as "bad publicity"! As usual, the Fauxe channel is a ratings "whore".

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Asked for a comment about the male dancing pair...
Posted by: wildbill on Jun 6, 2009 10:48 AM   
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...Captain Renault said, "I'm shocked, shocked that such intolerance is still prevalent, 67 years after Rick tossed Ilsa over and said to me, 'Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship,' as we walked off into the fog together!"

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Yeah sorry, Nigel and Mary just blew it.
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 6, 2009 11:07 AM   
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I'm with Greta. We have four professional dancers in the family (and those that say SYTYCD is not taken seriously in the dance world are just snobs... every studio's staffs & company owners watches it, and a hell of a lot of companies encourage their dancers to audition for it) and every single one of them were appalled by that segment. Three of the four said the guys' work should have been properly critique and found not good enough while one said they could have gone to Vegas' final cut because so many others were at least their level or worse.

From my own POV as a former session cat, and a dance-dad, it was a truly low moment for the show and our entire studio let Nigel and Mary have it via email.

A final thought... in the arts there are always the "old moss" crowd who don't evolve, and yes, they often have positions of power. You get used to it and move on best you can, remembering the bad moments of those "old mossers" so when you get into their chairs you can change it. Not pretty, not progress, but it's what the Empire forces artists to tolerate over and over and over.

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Nitwits on parade
Posted by: willymack on Jun 6, 2009 11:10 AM   
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So, the "judges" on the witless "So, you think you can dance" show were shocked, huh? They were spechless at the spectacle of two men dancing together. Poor babies! Their little sensibilities were bruised. We see women dancing together all the time, and never even blink. What's the difference? Who gives a fat rat's ass?

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» RE: Nitwits on parade Posted by: newscruzer2
» RE: Nitwits on parade Posted by: HoboHomo
Degeneracy
Posted by: Zeugitai on Jun 6, 2009 1:16 PM   
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The freakish and unnatural gender insecurity saturating this United States is symptomatic of the completely synthetic national identity that has been fabricated and imposed on the people here. The complex that is the "American identity" deviates from natural human conditions about as far as it possibly can. A trigger on insane responses, the artificial insistence on conformity to a single, fixed gender polarity parallels the insistence on conformity to monotheism, and tacitly, the insistence on conformity to a single racial identity, and the insistence on conformity to the zeal of imperial world domination. Ironically, the nation that boasts of having founding documents celebrating diversity and equality is the one that, in practice, crushes diversity and equality the most vehemently. The more rhetoric that is devoted to trumpeting a particular idea/ideal, the weaker or even nonexistent is the reality it signifies. The more America proclaims its ideals, the more illusory or even fictitious they are. Nations that do not speak of such things probably enjoy the real conditions and therefore have no need of rhetorical compensation, or overcompensation. The American national identity is a Frankenstein's monster, roaring out "freedom" and "equality" even as its lead boots crush and smash these things with each step it takes. That gap, between rhetoric and action, is hypocrisy, and it defines America and Americans.

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» RE: Degeneracy Posted by: HoboHomo
newscruzer1
Posted by: newscruzer2 on Jun 6, 2009 1:17 PM   
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HOMO PHOIBA,
The movement is all by deign in order to weaken the values that have long been in place.
If two men, or woman want to coexist together, then let them, just don't push it on the rest of society by demanding that somehow you have God given rights to do so.
The churches that also push this perversion are sinning against Jehovah.
How in God's good name anyone can say it's alright, is twisted in the mind.
There are many passages in the scriptures were it say's it is a sin for man to lay with man.
I'm confident there are those, even in the clergy who would dismiss the notion, that it says anything such as that, or twist it's meaning to suit their own life style.
This country claims to be a Christian Nation, perhaps that is why so many other countries look upon the United States of America as being hypocritical.

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» RE: newscruzer1 Posted by: HoboHomo
I was shocked when I saw this too
Posted by: chaoslegs on Jun 6, 2009 1:57 PM   
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I can't comment about the dancing as much, but what I did think about was the parallels to society.

Nigel started off about alienating the audience, I think this was pandering to those who tolerate homosexuals if they just would forgo their right to intimacy. You know that carp about love the sinner, but hate the sin, which means I love gay people, but I hate it when they act gay and have sex and all that. It is a bunch of bullsh!t, lame attempt at tolerance. And I think this comment was a sneaky acknowledgement of that sort of narrow minded thinking.

So while gay people are okay, to have two men get up on stage and dance togeher in ballroom dancing would be upsetting to those folks.

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We don't like the way
Posted by: sirios on Jun 6, 2009 2:14 PM   
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you run or act on your own show. there seems to be a lot of this attitude in the world and in commenters on alternet. The latest being this show and a lot of criticism about Starbucks and unions. There are some good and valid criticisms being tossed around , but one very important point is getting little attention. So you think you can dance operates on fairly strict , pre set rules. attempting to alter those rule in the middle of the contest is simply out of place. present your argument prior to the contest, not while it is underway. The starbucks issue is similar in that the employees knew what the rules were when they were first hired, and this is america, where through ones own creativity we have the chance to start our own company or contest and set our own rules.

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» RE: We don't like the way Posted by: HoboHomo
» GRRR ! Posted by: sirios
Oh, be fair
Posted by: westomoon on Jun 6, 2009 2:26 PM   
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In every season of this show, in its final phases, they choreograph and perform routines where two or three dancers of the same sex dance together. It's just never ballroom -- a dance form I personally dislike, but one which is rigidly stylized, very female-centric, and reliant on very stylized gender roles.

Every other dance form lends itself comfortably to unusual combinations -- it's just a shame those two chose ballroom, did it poorly, and startled such crude reactions out of the judges.

I agree, the judges on this show seem to be unusually untrammeled this year, with Mia Michaels' constant "you just piss me off" "critiques" of the one guy as a striking example. One of the reasons this show has been worth watching (aside from the rare chance to see interesting choreography well-danced) has been the very constructive professionalism of the judges. I don't know what's happened to them this year.

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Hillarious Reactions!
Posted by: ActMo! on Jun 6, 2009 3:06 PM   
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My understanding is that Tango was originally performed by two men! Sheesh and they call themselves Judges!?

Here's a link to a site that discusses the fact of Tango between men.
http://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2004/msg01999.html

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» RE: Hillarious Reactions! Posted by: rh.bee
Dance
Posted by: TaraTowhee on Jun 6, 2009 8:13 PM   
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I'm a ballet/modern dancer and I really don't consider "So you Think you Can Dance" to be a part of the dance world. It does sometimes showcase wonderful dancers, but it's been commercialized to the point that I can no longer recognize any elements of the dance world that I have grown to know. So I understand that they're homophobic (well- I don't understand it)- the actual dance world is obviously supportive of homosexuality, but the MTV world is not.
I wouldn't expect any less from trashy entertainment.

Everyone that reads this should check out Ballet Trocadero and experience the opposite side of the spectrum.

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» thank you! Posted by: hurricane hugo
A Straight Man's Opinion
Posted by: cdmsr on Jun 6, 2009 9:55 PM   
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These judges are incompetent.

I don't watch this or any other reality show, but it would seem that someone chosen to judge such a competition would need a broad and deep knowledge of the skill sets and variations that might possibly be exhibited in that competition. In America today, same-sex dance partners should not be a shock. After reading the transcript, I would judge the judges, not the dancers, as performing below a minimum acceptable level.

Also,the snooty, catty comments were unprofessional. (Is such behavior seen as having 'entertainment value'?) They should have embarrassed themslves, but they seem to lack the self-awareness needed to be embarrassed.

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they were 'afraid' of losing advertising & producers freaking out
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 7, 2009 11:00 AM   
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which of course says more about their belief in AMERICAN AUDIENCE SUPPORT than it does themselves.

they were chickenshit about whether or not the show would end up getting shrieked at or bombed or some extremist shit.

they should have been prep'd by their staff... but weren't.

pathetic.

of course, pathetic is that the entire culture to which the show plays... is so fucked up...

that they had *good reason* to suspect they'd get trashed.

let's be honest, the show is also dependent upon the same folks who thought Miss AmeriKKKa *should* be a homophobe.

Dancing is such *wholesome* entertainment... good for the Whole Family!!

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Just because it's gay
Posted by: Longdream on Jun 7, 2009 1:09 PM   
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doesn't mean it's great.

I like 'So You Think You Can Dance'. And the judges are over the top, for certain--hell, Mia last week told a guy that his art just annoys the shit out of her and puts her off. He was black, and it was like saying 'I don't like your face, so fuck off.' Nobody said she was a racist. And hell, there's at least one out gay person sitting on that panel at all times.

I saw the two dudes in question do their thing, and it was just plain awful. Sometimes bad dance is just bad dance, no matter who does it.

You want to call me homophobic, you'd be making a bad error, but go on ahead.

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The end of the world
Posted by: DaveT on Jun 7, 2009 8:08 PM   
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Allowing men to dance together will lead to the collapse of civilization and the end of the world. Oh - wait... what I meant was, who cares if men dance together? I happened to see that episode and I thought those guys were just not great dancers. (Disclaimer: I have no professional qualifications for judging dance.) The judges might have legitimately rejected them based on the performance, but they felt compelled to emphasize that their rating of the dancers was based on appropriate gender roles (?) and not at all homophobic. Thus two dancers that would have been forgotten by the world are now a news item.

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Producers of show to blame
Posted by: vioibi on Jun 7, 2009 10:55 PM   
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If they have "rules" then why did they allow two men to dance together and then trash them? A lot of these shows do these things for the hype. I feel sorry for the contestants.

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Posted by: Daito on Jun 8, 2009 5:51 AM   
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The gay dance thing is boring.

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And if it had been two females?
Posted by: edwinator on Jun 8, 2009 12:58 PM   
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I have a feeling the judges' comments would have been quite different - I suspect less homophobic but more sexist.

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"What does it mean . . .?"
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 9, 2009 7:15 AM   
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It means that people everywhere are normally "freaked" at the site of something deformed. What "freaks" me is the site of someone with any of nature's hundreds of deformities as they struggle to behave in the manner their atavistic knowledge and minds tell them is necessary for both their well-being and that of their species.

What "freaks" me more is to see the species - man is the only one who does that - attempt to deal with the deformity by normalizing it with words and pretended attitudes.

Shall we deal with birth defects - autism and the like - or with illnesses and the behavior it causes, things like ALS, the way we're dealing with homosexuality? I hope not - but from a nutcase society like this one has become, who knows?

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