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Is Glenn Beck the Orson Welles of Our Time?
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Fox News host Glenn Beck has done all the necessary spadework to position himself at the center of a brewing and increasingly paranoid right-wing insurgency.
From challenging Democratic Congressman Keith Ellison to prove he isn't working with Al-Qaida, to taking tearful stands against Barack Obama's Democratic Reich, the self-described "rodeo clown" is pushing his televised tirades and skits closer to the angrier, more unhinged fare of his daily talk radio show, now ranked third nationally, where he has been honing his confessional Molotov-throwing shtick for a decade.
Beck is deft at making himself an elusive and slippery target. As media watchdogs and satirists step up their attacks, the host has countered with well-practiced public relations aikido. He has embraced comparisons between himself and Network's Howard Beale, who rode an on-air crack-up to record ratings. On his shows and in print, he has claimed at turns to be "crazy," "borderline schizophrenic," and "just a clown."
But is he really? After all of the Comedy Central satires, the studious cataloging of falsehoods and outrages, and the public back-and-forth about his mental state, the big questions about Beck -- Who the hell is this guy? And is he for real? -- remain largely unanswered and even unasked in any serious way.
Fortunately, Beck has gone far toward answering these questions himself. Between his thousands of hours of TV and radio recordings, his semiannual stage tours, and a surprisingly frank memoir, he has provided enough information to piece together the puzzle of the "real" Glenn Beck.
The first casualty of any study of Beck is the idea that he is cracking up, a la Beale. Mental illness runs in Beck's family -- his mother and brother suffered from depression and committed suicide, and he considered suicide in the mid-'90s -- but Beck is not crazy. His frequent choke-ups are no more the early signs of a looming crack-up than his best-selling-author status portends a National Book Award.
Beck has been fake crying for years. It started on his radio show in Tampa, Fla., where he first turned the confessional mode of the support-circle into fodder for self-denigrating humor and ratings gold. After 10 years, the fake crying is best seen as a corporate brand handle. It differentiates him from tough-guy competitors in a conservative media universe dominated by manly men and manlier women. Even Beck himself is becoming increasingly open about this. The plug for his upcoming "Common Sense" comedy tour describes him as "America's favorite hysterical, fear-mongering, TV and radio crybaby."
Those who take a single drop of Beck's tears seriously need simply watch recordings of his stage shows. As he paces the stage, Beck switches the tear-ducts on and off like a switch, sometimes as many as six times in a single hour. He even chokes himself up for slick, produced segments like the trailer for the stage show based on his best-selling (and ghostwritten) Christmas novel, The Christmas Sweater.
Then there is the memorable Freudian slip Beck dropped on Fox in early February, while recounting the story of a missing girl. "Two years ago, I made the father a promise," Beck says, choking up, "that I would not let this story dry -- er, die …"
Any doubts that Beck is just acting are more deeply buried by examining his turn guest hosting Larry King Live last summer. Watch that clip, and you will see a master tailor of on-air persona at work. He is in full control and almost unrecognizable.
To understand Beck, you just need to fade out the apocalyptic hysterics and pull back the Patton-size flag. Do that, and staring back at you are three words: Mercury Radio Arts. Therein lies everything you need to know about Fox's new megastar.
Mercury Radio Arts is Beck's production company. It is his pride, his joy, and his multiteat cash cow. The company, whose tag line is "The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment," produces or co-produces his radio and television shows, his live events and his many publishing and digital media projects, all of which promote and expand the Beck brand.
Its full-time staff of 20 is not based in the small-town "Real America" Beck claims to hold so dear, but in the cynical media capital of the world, Manhattan.
Beck founded Mercury Radio Arts in 2002, the year his talk radio show went national. The name is a respectful nod to the Mercury Radio Theater, the New York drama company founded by Orson Welles, most famous for producing a 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds.
Beck's nod to Welles is a revealing one. Like Beck, Welles made his national name scaring the pants off of gullible Americans with a scripted, emotional act. (Unlike Beck, Welles was a staunch leftist and did not incorporate politics into his radio work.) Beck shares Welles' love of dramatic radio and is very proud of the fact that he directed and acted in the first live commercial radio drama in 40 years for XM Radio. Everything Beck does should be seen in this light.
Beck's self-image as an entertainer is rivaled only by his self-image as a businessman. He admits as much in his 2003 book, The Real America, which alternates between shlocky by-the-numbers conservative homily and frank autobiography.
Beck writes that while he admires Welles for dreaming big and revolutionizing radio, he is disappointed that he died poor. Beck finds more to admire in two of Hollywood's most flaming Democrats, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. After sketching the business architecture of Damon and Affleck's Project Greenlight, Beck writes in near-awe:
That's four distinct forms of entertainment, four ways to reach their audience, four products that act as marketing and publicity for each other and four sources of revenue. … This is what Mercury Radio Arts aspires to be … We want to start with the Glenn Beck Program and find ways to … maximiz[e] its ratings and revenue.
If Beck could have built up Radio Mercury Arts on the back of Howard Stern-style shock-jock persona, he would have done it. In fact, that's basically what he tried to do during his "lost" decade spent railing fat cocaine caterpillars off the asses of small-town strippers. And for a while it looked like he was destined for Stern-like stardom. But despite a quick and promising start in radio -- Beck was making six-figures and riding limos in his early 20s -- he bottomed out in 1994 working a tiny market in suburban Connecticut.
He flirted with killing himself, but cleaned up instead and found a new ambition, just as Georgia Rep. Newt Gingrich's Republicans stormed Congress and Clinton-era right-wing radio took off, led by Rush Limbaugh. Beck's official biography is spotty on the mid- to late-'90s, but he appears to have spent these years plotting his conservative talk radio makeover.
Beck finally got his big break in 1999. That was the year Clear Channel bought Tampa's WFLA, home to the popular liberal talk legend Bob Lassiter. Lassiter was squeezed out within a year of the sale and replaced by Beck, who jerked Tampa talk radio to the right. He is remembered by locals during this time for his skits depicting Satan writing love poems to Hillary Rodham Clinton, and for dangerously stoking anti-Democrat sentiment in Florida during the tense 2000 election recount.
His new masters were pleased. Just weeks after the 9/11 attacks, 18 months after he took his first caller, Beck signed a national contract with Premiere Radio Networks, a Clear Channel subsidiary. Beck claims that before 9/11, he was "a big fat, lazy sloth who just wanted to sit on my couch eating Ho Hos and Doritos." But that's unlikely. Beck must have been studying conservative talk radio during the late '90s. That, and honing his vision for Mercury Radio Arts, which he launched quickly after the money started flowing again in 2002.
Beck wasted no time positioning himself on the crest of the wave of post-9/11 super patriotism. In March 2003, Beck used his show to organize a series of "Rallies for America," which he attended in stretch limos.
At the time of the rallies, Paul Krugman and others accused Beck of doing the bidding of Clear Channel, which had connections to the Bush administration. But Beck doesn't need anyone to tell him to tour the country and jump on a bunch of stages if it can raise his profile and allow him to out-patriot his competitors.
The "Rallies for America" were the precursor for Beck's newest self-promotional patriotic initiative, the "9/12 Project," which is an attempt to literally stamp his brand on the very memory of 9/11. If this seems shameless, it is. It also makes perfect business sense if you're Glenn Beck.
The post-9/11 period is exactly concurrent with his meteoric and lucrative career on the national stage. He arguably does not exist as a megastar without the attacks on New York and Washington, the wars that followed and their warping effect on the nation's politics and economy. Without 9/11, Beck's newest Premiere contract would almost certainly not be worth $50 million.
Beck likes to brag about this new contract and to talk about money in general. Six sentences into his memoir, The Real America, and he is already mentioning that Stern and Limbaugh still make more money than he does. In a stage monologue about his conversion to Mormonism, recorded shortly after he negotiated his latest contract with Premiere, he tells a middle-class audience that, by the way, he just made $50 million.
Of course, strong and even ruthless capitalist instincts are no mark of shame on the right. Beck views the pursuit of wealth as the duty of every "Real American" -- and Christian. His conservative fans no doubt agree with him. But Beck is not a lifelong conservative who happened to make a lot of money in the capitalist system he loves. For most of his adult life, he was, in his own words, "a bitter, hopeless [drug-using] alcoholic who hated people." He long ago started putting money before country, and there's every reason to believe that he still does. His metamorphosis into a right-wing values-crusader matches up neatly with the birth of his Wellesian/Limbaughsian dreams of national talk radio fame and entertainment empire.
He understood 15 years ago that the way to own a sprawling mansion estate in New Canaan, Conn., is to rant about the sprawling Malibu estates of Hollywood liberals. His on-air persona is a product of his own reinvention, even if he calls it "redemption."
Beck's obsession with getting as rich as possible also runs through his Mormon Christianity, which he adopted in 1999, which incidentally is the same year he got married and launched his talk radio career. In The Real America, Beck briefly describes his semester studying religion at Yale at age 30. (His enrollment was made possible by a letter of recommendation written by Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.). Here's Beck, theologian:
It's interesting to me that Jesus said, 'Inside my Father's house there are many mansions … ' That means that wealth and riches are not bad things … God believes you deserve a mansion. Do You? … There is a universe full of money. There are riches beyond your wildest dreams. God doesn't give you a taste of ice cream unless he's willing for you to have the entire cone.
Beck's pursuit of "the entire cone" goes far toward explaining his apocalyptic politics. Beck is the nation's best-known and most mainstream peddler of End Times fears and apocalyptic scenarios (excluding climate change). This obsession is epitomized in a segment on his show called "The War Room," in which panelists discuss various nightmare scenarios and how to prepare for them.
For Beck, the End Times shtick is literally pure gold. The precious metals dealer Goldline, whose fortunes rise on anxieties of social and economic collapse, has hired Beck as a spokesman and is one of his biggest sponsors. His Web site is also sponsored by Newsmax (another right-wing media fearmonger whose ad offers a "free emergency radio … [for when] terrorists attack.") and a company called Survival Seeds, which warns of imminent food riots. It fits that Beck's corporate logo resembles nothing so much as a radiation symbol.
Nothing is sacred in Beck's business strategy to grow his company by stoking right-wing anger, anxiety and paranoia. This is true even of those things he wants us to believe he holds most sacred. The poster for his upcoming comedy tour is the same Revolutionary War-era severed-snake symbol that Beck chose as the logo for his dead-serious "9/12 Project." He just swapped the words "Laugh or Die" for the original "Join, Or Die," then stamped it with his corporate logo.
This fluid, self-serving and multiplatform use of a hallowed symbol -- from teary-eyed professions of selfless "9/12" patriotism to the promotion of his crappy observational comedy -- is classic Beck.
So make fun of him all you want, but Glenn Beck is not crazy. He is a very wealthy and possibly visionary fraud, the Bernie Madoff of conservative anger and fear in the Obama era. He is laughing and crying right along with you, in the plush backseat of his stretch limo, all the way to the bank.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 27, 2009 12:44 AM
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They probably don't believe half of what they say--no reasonably intelligent person could--but it generates money, power and fame by pandering to the worst in human nature and the most gullible and narrow minded in society.
America pays a high price for this hucksterism, however, as we have seen most clearly during the nightmarish 8 year crime spree known as the Bush Administration, when the values these charlatans espouse were fully integrated into governance.
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» Has it struck anyone as odd, that the biggest story probably in recent history.....
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» I absolutely agree with you. its the only way to break those treaties.
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» Rather a wimpy pandemic...
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» Oh, is it over???? Oh, thank you brownose.... we didn't know it was done.
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» How about an information link that "proves" that the Gummint caused the pandemic. Or maybe it was...
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» Gee plopped it...was the Asian Flu of 1957 a govt. plot?
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» RE: The High Price of Cheap Theater - don't forget Alex Jones
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» RE: The High Price of Cheap Theater - don't forget Alex Jones
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» Get your head out of you butt
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» Hold it.
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» Yes, and when we get down to it, the question is "WHO PAYS THESE GUYS"?
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» Lately, I am afraid I almost have to agree with you. Reactions on here are not like....
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» Neither Major Party Has a Monopoly on Folly and Corruption
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» RE: Neither Major Party Has a Monopoly on: Ah ha! I see it! A glimmer
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» RE: The High Price of Cheap Theater
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» AN ELISTIST IS AN ELITIST; BAD THINGS HAPPENED ON CLINTON'S WATCH
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Posted by: CatDad on Apr 27, 2009 12:56 AM
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Certain topics seem to be off limits in the US MSM: The Bush Family's ties to the Royal Saudi Family, Obama and Geithner's ties to Wall Street, AIPAC, or any discussion of health care reform that does not involve the cartel of private health insurance giants...but who cares about such "fluff." The American citizenry deserves 24-7 coverage of more important things: today's tragic missing/exploited child saga and The Craigslist Killer.
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» RE: Hiring a Journalist
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» RE: .I.P. Real, Investigative Jounalism
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» Good Call, Catdad, in fact, I just said that above about the damn flu pandemic....
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» The grain of truth in this . . .
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» Well, that is easy, start an underground paper through donations....
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» RE: .I.P. Real, Investigative Jounalism
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» RE: .I.P. Real, Investigative Jounalism
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» RE: .I.P. Real, Investigative Jounalism HAS BEEN SILENCED
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» To a degree...
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» Bush's ties to Saudis have been mentioned some, not much. Obama's to Wall Street, many times.
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Posted by: brunowe on Apr 27, 2009 1:02 AM
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I think that the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world make a bigger splash but that the Jerry Falwells ultimately have a bigger impact. It was true believers like him and, on the anti-tax, anti-goverment side, Howard Jarvis, who provided a big push to the conservative ascendancy of the 80s.
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» NO BASIS FOR COMPARISON - BECK IS AN ENTERTAINER
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Posted by: reinaldok on Apr 27, 2009 2:09 AM
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» ...and sh*t floats.
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» RE: ...and sh*t floats.
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» RE:HE'S JUST AN ENTERTAINER
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» And the biggest suckers are?
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Posted by: walldodger1969 on Apr 27, 2009 2:13 AM
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» RE: And the sheep might be you
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 27, 2009 2:44 AM
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» WHEN YOU CAN'T ARTICULATE AN ARGUMENT, NAMECALLING SUFFICES
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Posted by: Woodpecker on Apr 27, 2009 2:46 AM
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Terry
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» You mean like "lapping up hate and fear?" Like with this article?
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» RE: You mean like "lapping up hate and fear?" Ahh! Prophit may be
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» DON'T HATE GLENN BACK BECAUSE HE IS NOT FROM AN ELITIST FAMILY
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Posted by: davy on Apr 27, 2009 3:54 AM
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» YOU LEFT THE USA BECAUSE YOU HAD NO STOMACH FOR THE FIGHT
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 27, 2009 4:22 AM
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WE might see a sliver of integrity in the 4th Estate.
Pull the plug on all MSM/PBS/NPR and see them for exactly what they are;an accomplice to the crimes.
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» Yeah, all crimes.... including this pandemic which is just another false flag....
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» RE: Yeah, all crimes.... including this pandemic which is just another false flag....
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» Truth, weathered, they fear "truth"..... isn't that why fear and hate is being peddled?
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» Speaking of Goebbels, do all you get your info from SITFU.Com You use the same cliches like bankster
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» Of course pale 'yellow' chimes in
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» RE: When a DA compiles a case: I am with ya on
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» GLENN BACK IS NOT A LAWYER OR A JOURNALIST, HE IS JUST AN ENTERTAINER
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 27, 2009 4:26 AM
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In this twisted philosophy, God has pre determined your lot in life. He has either 'blessed' you or is punishing you. So if you are rich and powerful- God has granted you those rights and priviledges. If you are poor and impotent, then you are 'paying penance' for past evil deeds.
So if you are the 'blessed' it would be working against 'God' to provide aid or assistance to the 'Damned'- You would be working against 'God's Will'.. How convenient.
Obviously this plays well in the Elite 'Vaticans'of the Evangelical Mega churches- Guilt Free Greed and Arrogance. Not to mention it is a pre cursor/ Pre approval to the 'Judgement Day' Delusion.
Evangelicals have the fine art of Cherry Picking the Bible down as well as Cheney etal did with Intell.
Heres the parts that blows the shit out of their self serving ideology- Jesus went to the Lepers, He toppled the tables of trade in the Temple,He created enough Bread, Fish and wine to share with the multitudes.
He did not consider leprosy a 'wrath' from God. He did not value wealth over reverence and he basicaly held a rather 'socialistic' idea about 'redistribution of Wealth' (resources).
Beck may find this hysterical now, may be riding this gravey train to the end. But if he has any faith in the immortal soul, he could find himself performing his Schtick in hell. I'm not saying there is or theres not, nor that that would be his epilogue- Far too high above my pay grade and level of knowledge.
On a more earthly note, Beck is playing with fire the 'Armegeddonists' are hell bent with suicidal and homocidal tendencies. They don't just wait and wish for 'End of Days' they see it as their mission to hasten it by any means possible.Apparently THEY'VE Decided they are the 'chosen' generation and God is a bit of a slacker, so they will be 'Helping' Him. As for those who expound the "I'm Blessed and You're Screwed" philosophy,It lends itself very well to their refusal to repay a debt to older generations, who supported them and invest in future generations- aka tax cut mantra. So if the planet, the economy and the society is a shit hole by the time their descendants are handed the torch, then it must be their own fault.Guilt Free Greed and apathy.'God didn't see fit to provide for you- sucks to be you'. so Beck is condoning this self serving behavior, enabling those who want to 'get it while they can'. History from a Hindsight perspective- It won't be kind to those like Beck if the place is a living Hell.
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» call it....
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» Ok, ok, so bottom line is, since we are spending so much bandwidth on Beck, what do....
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» Chamillionaire had a song for this
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» Good comment, there is a seat for all of us at the table if we can get back to talking again...
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» If you want a seat at the table...
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» True, calling names is not acceptable and personalizes issues...
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» RE: Chamillionaire had a song for this
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» RE: "God Helps those who help themselves" aka 'God's will'??? Purple Girl, I like
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» THIS IS AN OLD LUTHERAN SAYING -IT DID NOT COME FROM THE BIBLE
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on Apr 27, 2009 4:26 AM
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I guess he forgot about this? Sometimes I wish there was a little truth to Christianity. I'd love to see him cry as he is turned away from the pearly gates.
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» RE: didn't he hear? Cory, you need to
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» GLENN BECK IS NOT A TELEVANGELIST OR A PREACHER EITHER!
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Posted by: NYmediator on Apr 27, 2009 4:40 AM
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But make no mistake about it - the right wing shows are getting their armed idiot drones ready for civil insurrection. And I meet people in my little town on an almost daily basis who are itching for blood.
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» RE: I meet people in my little town on an almost daily basis who are itching for blood
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» RE: I meet people in my little town on an almost daily basis who are itching for blood
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» christian jihadists
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» RE: christian jihadists: ???? Talk about
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» Oh, good, your scared, so this little exercise worked..... lol
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» RE: No one ever lost money
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» RE: No one ever lost money: THIS post inspires a great big
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» BALLOTS WORK BETTER THAN BULLETS
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Posted by: skins44 on Apr 27, 2009 4:53 AM
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» RE: Leave out the Family
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» the right always attacks families
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» Good point, always get down in the filth with those you condemn for doing so....
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» the right always attacks families
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» Yeah, and no one on the left attacked families of those on the right....
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» RE: Yeah, and no one on the left attacked families: Also remember
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» Too right, Sis.
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» RE: Leave out the Family
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» As in chess, if your going to consider this war, then quit paying attention....
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» Sorry
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» Family mental health was exposed by Beck.
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» Since when does the left see talking about mental illness in a family an issue....
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» RE: Leave out the Family
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» RE: Leave out the Family
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» RE: Leave out the Family: IMO Prophit
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» RE: Leave out the Family
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» SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO OVERCOME OUR FAMILIES TO SURVIVE
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Posted by: cedarriver on Apr 27, 2009 4:55 AM
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The left needs to be less jealous and alarmed. After all, Obama is in the White House. The Limbaughs and Becks will not alter that a bit.
I am a bit curious, though, as to the omission that Beck has been equally brutal to Bush. If you are going to profess to be telling the truth about Beck, don't fall into the partisan trap you rail against.
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» Big difference
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» Hah, read your own posts, its exactly what you did above in response to this article.
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» RE: I agree
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» RE: and the difference is? NONE. What can be said of
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» NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER! ELISTS DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
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Posted by: northerner on Apr 27, 2009 5:06 AM
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But I am worried that he has a show, and a couple of million viewers (from the Huffington Post):
Top 10 Cable News Programs, Q1 2009 (by total viewers)
1. The O'Reilly Factor: 3,438,000 total viewers
2. Hannity: 2,579,000 total viewers
3. Glenn Beck: 2,271,000 total viewers
4. Special Report with Bret Baier: 2,092,000 total viewers
5. On the Record with Greta Van Susteren: 1,977,000 total viewers
6. The FOX Report with Shepard Smith: 1,927,000 total viewers
7. The O'Reilly Factor (repeat): 1,457,000 total viewers
8. America's Newsroom: 1,445,000 total viewers
9. Your World with Neil Cavuto: 1,428,000 total viewers
10. Countdown with Keith Olbermann: 1,327,000 total viewers
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» Remember this though
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» This is funny, really, you are doing exactly what you say....
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» RE: emember this though: DON"T forget, NYm. that
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» If you total the IQs of the audience the pyramid is inverted.
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» True, but...
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» RE: True, but...: NOT so quick
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» RE: Not worried about the commentator...
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» BETTER START WORRYING MORE ABOUT THE "SHADOW GOVERNMENT"
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 27, 2009 5:06 AM
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» RE: Glenn Beck is only a symptom
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» RE: Glenn Beck is only a symptom
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» Excellent, Lauren, I couldn't agree more... nice job.
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» Be friends with whom?
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» Once again, good job, Jennifer, great commentary... you have hit it on the head.
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» RE: Once again, good job, Jennifer, great commentary... you have hit it on the head.
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» RE: See, when we discuss these things with those on the right, we plant seeds....Prophit, you
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The Torture Statute punishes conduct, or conspiracy to engage in conduct, specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering. "Severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from either the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering, or from the threat of imminent death. [My bold.]
This is where it gets tricky for me. Last week was the second time I felt under threat of imminent death (or intentional infliction of severe pain and suffering) at school.
Both times from a teacher's aid who had already shown signs of disliking me while the teacher was absent the room.
My radar may be on hyper alert, but setting me up is NOT funny.
I try to go to these people with full disclosure, so I really wonder if they realize the gravity of the situation. I kind of doubt the TA would commit acts of torture if she really realized that is what it is. Or would she?
It is all about religion. They think some people deserve to be tortured.
They laugh about it too. I haven't heard anyone talk about that yet, but I bet it is true. Not only do they torture you, but they laugh at you while they are doing it.
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» Yes, get help.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 27, 2009 6:21 AM
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And you will have seen both the state of U.S. political debate and the reasons we are a nation in such precipitous decline. Expletive deleted.
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I mean, really now, when Republican politicians reference the Kiefer Sutherland Fox Broadcast Company television show 24 as a reason to legitimize torture--ooooo..."the ticking timebomb" scenario--as an interrogation method in the "war on terror," reasonable people should question their sanity. Unfortunately in the mainstream media these days reasonable people are few and far between.
Anecdotally, another indication that your average Rush Limbaugh-listener, Ted Nugent-fan or light-in-the-loafers-homo hater is out of touch with reality is a email that made the rounds a couple of years ago, the subject line reading something like "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys" (apologies to Willie Nelson.) Anyway it linked to a Web site that played the Willie Nelson song and showed a long list of dead B-grade movie and television Western actors. I noticed that Western actor Audie Murphy, a Medal of Honor winner, was conspicuously missing from this list. I emailed the Web site to point out the glaring omission, noting out that Audie Murphy was indeed a decorated hero of World War II, while all the others were merely celluloid cowboys. I was told to mind my own business in so many words.
But Beck knows fully well, his target audience believes: John Wayne single-handedly won World War II; Dirty Harry Callahan's a real San Francisco cop; werewolves and vampires really walk among us; Sylvia Brown can really talk to the dead; guardian angles hover over us; "illegal" aliens are taking good jobs (dishwasher, hotel/motel maid, meat packing plant worker, agricultural laborer) from Americans; and George W. Bush protected the United States from further terrorist attacks after 9/11 by invading Iraq.
As a Mormon-convert Beck, of necessity and perhaps conviction, has to buy into some pretty silly concepts himself (like Jesus appearing at Arrowhead Stadium to anoint Independence, MO the "new" Jerusalem) but the rest he knows is pure hokum.
Glenn Beck is not the wacko here. His audience is.
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So whether beck is crazy or not is irrelevant. It's the people who believe this greedy nutbar you have to worry about.
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Posted by: joeocho88 on Apr 27, 2009 8:20 AM
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So I went to his webpage and I took a look and he is eye candy and I thought "He has a hell of a future in TV."
Rush Limbaugh has more substance but looks like a bloated barfly who has had one too many alcoholic adult beverages and one too many fine cigars. So his TV Show went nowhere.
Glen is doing what Rush could not do, great radio AND great TV.
I bombarded Glen's people with e-mails urging him to go on TV that he has the elusive quality of looks plus talent which Rush does not have and O'Riley and those other guys barely have. Beck also has charisma that sparkles on air.
I don't find him threatening at all.
YOU HAVE A LOT MORE TO WORRY ABOUT FROM RUSH LIMBAUGH, DICK CHENEY, BILL CLINTON, GEORGE H.W. BUSH, HILARY CLINTON and JANET NAPOLITANO than GLENN BECK. And the paranoid people you don't see in the Pentagon and shadow government of the military- industrial profiteers whose personal hero is Adolf Hitler!
GLEN IS JUST AN ENTERTAINER. PERIOD.
I WATCH HIS SHOW AND I SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS: A SATIRE OF NUTS & KOOKS.
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» Yeah, like if your going to make your brain hurt, lets do it solving our REAL PROBLEMS.
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"They see me rollin
They hatin
Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty
Tryin to catch me ridin dirty"
until Glen Beck is taking food off your table or money out your pocket all this hatin is just that: silly.
Dude is killing the game when it comes to rating however all the AlterNet can do is be: snarky about his family no see. Is there any shame on the left?
If you dont like the guy that is one thing however to just dig this deep into a radio/TV show host. This guy was a blip on the screen till he went to Fox. Then you guys wonder why shows like Rachel Maddow is low in ratings because normal everyday people is not invested in hate, they want solutions to all the things that are going on right now. Bad form to say the least.
p.s. I like coming down here because the AlterNet crowd (most of you) don't play kissie face with the administration and this is a democracy (still I hope) so there must be a seat for you at the table, there also must be a seat at the table for me as well
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DOWn, baby, DOWn!
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Posted by: Parcival01 on Apr 27, 2009 3:47 PM
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In the book verson of "Outfoxed," the fine film about Faux "news," the authors pointed out to bill o'lielly that it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with a more outrageous product--act--than o'lielly. I think that's Beck. The writer of this article may have hit the nail on the head. Beck can weep, and people take him seriously! He can write childish "Christmas" fairy tales, and people purchase them, and purport to read them in their Amazon.com non-reviews.
And I know of what I speak, as my inlaws watch kiddies like Beck and the others. My father in law lives, breathes, and defecates on abortion, so Faux is what he loves most, and Beck to him is an analyst!
Anyway, as I say, Beck understands his audience. He may have been a shock jock if the market were as lucrative, or he may have been a liberal commentator. But for now there's more money in Faux, so Glennie's laughing all the way to the bank.
But, Glenn, if you happen to be reading this, if I ever see you on the street, your life is in danger. Not only are you a harlot, but you're a completely dishonest and dishonorable one. But, well, you know, I'll never even fit into the crowds with who you socialize.
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You all decide if the price is too high & if there is more than one theater.
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If our new Prez is really a US citizen, why does he not show the documentation to prove it?
Why the crew of lawyers to keep the subject mum?
ALL he has to do is show us the proof. I do not mean the certificate of live birth posted on the net either. That was not a legal document of the same standing as a BC. I don't think a COLB is a legal document at all. I wanna see the real thing so I can tell every one "Yup, there it is! Now shut up about it!!"
Start here-
http://tinyurl.com/cvj4l4
http://tinyurl.com/comtdn
The plot thickens in our theater:-)
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd408.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cejynm
There were also Q's about McLame, but he is not in the White House so he is moot. I'd have welcomed an investigation on JMcC with relish! & onions. :-) on a sesame seed...
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Colbert Study: Conservatives Don't Know He's Joking
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When my little brother was three we visited my grandmother's house where the only bathroom was on the second floor. He quickly figured out that when he was playing outdoors and was eager to get back to his play, he could save time by running through the kitchen door and peeing in the kitchen sink rather than going all the way upstairs to the bathroom. Much yelling, screaming, threat of punishment ensued. One day we walked into the kitchen to find him standing there hastily rearranging his clothing and greeting us with the words "I didn't go to the bathroom in the sink!". I thought of this when Beck made his repeated reference to "sowing seeds of discontent". That was what was on his mind. I think that's how he sees his role---as one who agitates, foments, instigates, gets the populace riled up. Then surely he mutters to himself the last two lines of Marc Antony's funeral speech from "Julius Caesar"---
"Now let it work. Mischief, thou art afoot,
Take what course thou wilt!"
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 30, 2009 9:34 AM
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I not only have participated as I do here on a wide range of "talk" forums, I have repeatedly been thrown off one after the other - some as many as three times. What is most significant about that fact is the further fact that in no instance have I resorted to any of the ad hominem attack, vituperation, scurrility, insult or any of the like so characteristic of today's "debate."
Neither have I, ever, lowered the conversation by hurling the vapid and ubiquitous charges of "racist," "sexist," or the "politically-correct" like.
In every instance, in point of demonstrable fact, I have insisted upon logical process, sought to lower the level of heated nastiness, and endeavored to cast the proverbial "oil upon the waters." I have, moreover, demonstrated again and again that illogical assertion and personal attack prove utterly nothing - except the character of the user.
In each instance, I not only supported both sides of political, religious, and ideological arguments, I carefully esculated my objections to the personal attack, vituperation, insult, and the like to the degree of offering exemplary, while far subdued in comparison, rebuttal in kind.
It was I, nevertheless, who was in each instance being mentioned here thrown off the site.
My study suggests a number of things, not the least of which is that none of the providers of "opinion" space is interested in real debate. Their purpose is the same as that of today's "news" media, that of popularity among certain groups. It is entertainment in the form of "venting," and few participants have any interest in anything but what they, themselves, say. Others participate solely to hear the point of view they support repeated again, and again, and again (some sort of psychological re-inforcement, I suppose).
It is also clear that participants in "debate" like that of AlterNet detest logical, scientific, or mathematical proof. One such person - here on AlterNet, matter of fact - protested angrily that "Logic has no place in debate." Well, now - what does?
It has also become clear that certain ideological topics are sancrosanct where any logically, scientifically, or statistically contradictory evidence is concerned. All matters of feminist interest, for instance may not be contradicted, and expulsion is dependent exactly upon degree of logical and rational effectiveness. Prove a point, you are history where the site is concerned.
It is further interesting where feminist and certain other liberal viewpoints are concerned that reply in kind results with absolute certainty in deletion or expulsion. Feminists, for instance, may attack their antagonist by means of derogatory allusion to sexual prowess - but no retaliation of that sort is tolerated.
An interesting instance of that was a woman who called herself "Eyes wide Open." When eyes loosed on me one of the most scurrilous personal attacks of the many to which I have been subjected, I suggested that were I to refer to her as "thighs wide open" I wondered what would happen. In needn't have "wondered" - I was expelled forthwith from Truthout (where I continue under another sobriquet and guise - this one liberal rather than my customary moderate).
I believe scholarly periodicals, even history, will find my study interesting, and I will publish it soon. I have, incidentally, forwarded to each of more than two dozen sites of the kind to which I refer here a copy of this letter. No one has responded.
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They probably don't believe half of what they say--no reasonably intelligent person could--but it generates money, power and fame by pandering to the worst in human nature and the most gullible and narrow minded in society.
America pays a high price for this hucksterism, however, as we have seen most clearly during the nightmarish 8 year crime spree known as the Bush Administration, when the values these charlatans espouse were fully integrated into governance.
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» I absolutely agree with you. its the only way to break those treaties.
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» Rather a wimpy pandemic...
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» Oh, is it over???? Oh, thank you brownose.... we didn't know it was done.
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» How about an information link that "proves" that the Gummint caused the pandemic. Or maybe it was...
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Certain topics seem to be off limits in the US MSM: The Bush Family's ties to the Royal Saudi Family, Obama and Geithner's ties to Wall Street, AIPAC, or any discussion of health care reform that does not involve the cartel of private health insurance giants...but who cares about such "fluff." The American citizenry deserves 24-7 coverage of more important things: today's tragic missing/exploited child saga and The Craigslist Killer.
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» The grain of truth in this . . .
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» To a degree...
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I think that the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world make a bigger splash but that the Jerry Falwells ultimately have a bigger impact. It was true believers like him and, on the anti-tax, anti-goverment side, Howard Jarvis, who provided a big push to the conservative ascendancy of the 80s.
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WE might see a sliver of integrity in the 4th Estate.
Pull the plug on all MSM/PBS/NPR and see them for exactly what they are;an accomplice to the crimes.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 27, 2009 4:26 AM
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In this twisted philosophy, God has pre determined your lot in life. He has either 'blessed' you or is punishing you. So if you are rich and powerful- God has granted you those rights and priviledges. If you are poor and impotent, then you are 'paying penance' for past evil deeds.
So if you are the 'blessed' it would be working against 'God' to provide aid or assistance to the 'Damned'- You would be working against 'God's Will'.. How convenient.
Obviously this plays well in the Elite 'Vaticans'of the Evangelical Mega churches- Guilt Free Greed and Arrogance. Not to mention it is a pre cursor/ Pre approval to the 'Judgement Day' Delusion.
Evangelicals have the fine art of Cherry Picking the Bible down as well as Cheney etal did with Intell.
Heres the parts that blows the shit out of their self serving ideology- Jesus went to the Lepers, He toppled the tables of trade in the Temple,He created enough Bread, Fish and wine to share with the multitudes.
He did not consider leprosy a 'wrath' from God. He did not value wealth over reverence and he basicaly held a rather 'socialistic' idea about 'redistribution of Wealth' (resources).
Beck may find this hysterical now, may be riding this gravey train to the end. But if he has any faith in the immortal soul, he could find himself performing his Schtick in hell. I'm not saying there is or theres not, nor that that would be his epilogue- Far too high above my pay grade and level of knowledge.
On a more earthly note, Beck is playing with fire the 'Armegeddonists' are hell bent with suicidal and homocidal tendencies. They don't just wait and wish for 'End of Days' they see it as their mission to hasten it by any means possible.Apparently THEY'VE Decided they are the 'chosen' generation and God is a bit of a slacker, so they will be 'Helping' Him. As for those who expound the "I'm Blessed and You're Screwed" philosophy,It lends itself very well to their refusal to repay a debt to older generations, who supported them and invest in future generations- aka tax cut mantra. So if the planet, the economy and the society is a shit hole by the time their descendants are handed the torch, then it must be their own fault.Guilt Free Greed and apathy.'God didn't see fit to provide for you- sucks to be you'. so Beck is condoning this self serving behavior, enabling those who want to 'get it while they can'. History from a Hindsight perspective- It won't be kind to those like Beck if the place is a living Hell.
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» call it....
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» Ok, ok, so bottom line is, since we are spending so much bandwidth on Beck, what do....
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» Chamillionaire had a song for this
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» Good comment, there is a seat for all of us at the table if we can get back to talking again...
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» If you want a seat at the table...
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» True, calling names is not acceptable and personalizes issues...
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» RE: "God Helps those who help themselves" aka 'God's will'??? Purple Girl, I like
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I guess he forgot about this? Sometimes I wish there was a little truth to Christianity. I'd love to see him cry as he is turned away from the pearly gates.
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But make no mistake about it - the right wing shows are getting their armed idiot drones ready for civil insurrection. And I meet people in my little town on an almost daily basis who are itching for blood.
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» christian jihadists
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» Oh, good, your scared, so this little exercise worked..... lol
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» the right always attacks families
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» Good point, always get down in the filth with those you condemn for doing so....
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» the right always attacks families
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» Yeah, and no one on the left attacked families of those on the right....
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» Too right, Sis.
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» Family mental health was exposed by Beck.
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The left needs to be less jealous and alarmed. After all, Obama is in the White House. The Limbaughs and Becks will not alter that a bit.
I am a bit curious, though, as to the omission that Beck has been equally brutal to Bush. If you are going to profess to be telling the truth about Beck, don't fall into the partisan trap you rail against.
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But I am worried that he has a show, and a couple of million viewers (from the Huffington Post):
Top 10 Cable News Programs, Q1 2009 (by total viewers)
1. The O'Reilly Factor: 3,438,000 total viewers
2. Hannity: 2,579,000 total viewers
3. Glenn Beck: 2,271,000 total viewers
4. Special Report with Bret Baier: 2,092,000 total viewers
5. On the Record with Greta Van Susteren: 1,977,000 total viewers
6. The FOX Report with Shepard Smith: 1,927,000 total viewers
7. The O'Reilly Factor (repeat): 1,457,000 total viewers
8. America's Newsroom: 1,445,000 total viewers
9. Your World with Neil Cavuto: 1,428,000 total viewers
10. Countdown with Keith Olbermann: 1,327,000 total viewers
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» If you total the IQs of the audience the pyramid is inverted.
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» True, but...
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» Be friends with whom?
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» Once again, good job, Jennifer, great commentary... you have hit it on the head.
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» RE: Once again, good job, Jennifer, great commentary... you have hit it on the head.
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» RE: See, when we discuss these things with those on the right, we plant seeds....Prophit, you
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Apr 27, 2009 5:44 AM
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The Torture Statute punishes conduct, or conspiracy to engage in conduct, specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering. "Severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from either the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering, or from the threat of imminent death. [My bold.]
This is where it gets tricky for me. Last week was the second time I felt under threat of imminent death (or intentional infliction of severe pain and suffering) at school.
Both times from a teacher's aid who had already shown signs of disliking me while the teacher was absent the room.
My radar may be on hyper alert, but setting me up is NOT funny.
I try to go to these people with full disclosure, so I really wonder if they realize the gravity of the situation. I kind of doubt the TA would commit acts of torture if she really realized that is what it is. Or would she?
It is all about religion. They think some people deserve to be tortured.
They laugh about it too. I haven't heard anyone talk about that yet, but I bet it is true. Not only do they torture you, but they laugh at you while they are doing it.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 27, 2009 6:21 AM
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And you will have seen both the state of U.S. political debate and the reasons we are a nation in such precipitous decline. Expletive deleted.
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I mean, really now, when Republican politicians reference the Kiefer Sutherland Fox Broadcast Company television show 24 as a reason to legitimize torture--ooooo..."the ticking timebomb" scenario--as an interrogation method in the "war on terror," reasonable people should question their sanity. Unfortunately in the mainstream media these days reasonable people are few and far between.
Anecdotally, another indication that your average Rush Limbaugh-listener, Ted Nugent-fan or light-in-the-loafers-homo hater is out of touch with reality is a email that made the rounds a couple of years ago, the subject line reading something like "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys" (apologies to Willie Nelson.) Anyway it linked to a Web site that played the Willie Nelson song and showed a long list of dead B-grade movie and television Western actors. I noticed that Western actor Audie Murphy, a Medal of Honor winner, was conspicuously missing from this list. I emailed the Web site to point out the glaring omission, noting out that Audie Murphy was indeed a decorated hero of World War II, while all the others were merely celluloid cowboys. I was told to mind my own business in so many words.
But Beck knows fully well, his target audience believes: John Wayne single-handedly won World War II; Dirty Harry Callahan's a real San Francisco cop; werewolves and vampires really walk among us; Sylvia Brown can really talk to the dead; guardian angles hover over us; "illegal" aliens are taking good jobs (dishwasher, hotel/motel maid, meat packing plant worker, agricultural laborer) from Americans; and George W. Bush protected the United States from further terrorist attacks after 9/11 by invading Iraq.
As a Mormon-convert Beck, of necessity and perhaps conviction, has to buy into some pretty silly concepts himself (like Jesus appearing at Arrowhead Stadium to anoint Independence, MO the "new" Jerusalem) but the rest he knows is pure hokum.
Glenn Beck is not the wacko here. His audience is.
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So whether beck is crazy or not is irrelevant. It's the people who believe this greedy nutbar you have to worry about.
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» Do a little background check on him as well....
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Posted by: joeocho88 on Apr 27, 2009 8:20 AM
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So I went to his webpage and I took a look and he is eye candy and I thought "He has a hell of a future in TV."
Rush Limbaugh has more substance but looks like a bloated barfly who has had one too many alcoholic adult beverages and one too many fine cigars. So his TV Show went nowhere.
Glen is doing what Rush could not do, great radio AND great TV.
I bombarded Glen's people with e-mails urging him to go on TV that he has the elusive quality of looks plus talent which Rush does not have and O'Riley and those other guys barely have. Beck also has charisma that sparkles on air.
I don't find him threatening at all.
YOU HAVE A LOT MORE TO WORRY ABOUT FROM RUSH LIMBAUGH, DICK CHENEY, BILL CLINTON, GEORGE H.W. BUSH, HILARY CLINTON and JANET NAPOLITANO than GLENN BECK. And the paranoid people you don't see in the Pentagon and shadow government of the military- industrial profiteers whose personal hero is Adolf Hitler!
GLEN IS JUST AN ENTERTAINER. PERIOD.
I WATCH HIS SHOW AND I SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS: A SATIRE OF NUTS & KOOKS.
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» Dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back?
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» And that makes what he says right?
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» Like Limbaugh, Beck starts his career out like more of a rightwing circus boy.
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» Rubbish.
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» HE LOOKS BETTER THAN RUSH LIMBAUGH
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» Yeah, like if your going to make your brain hurt, lets do it solving our REAL PROBLEMS.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 27, 2009 9:03 AM
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"They see me rollin
They hatin
Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty
Tryin to catch me ridin dirty"
until Glen Beck is taking food off your table or money out your pocket all this hatin is just that: silly.
Dude is killing the game when it comes to rating however all the AlterNet can do is be: snarky about his family no see. Is there any shame on the left?
If you dont like the guy that is one thing however to just dig this deep into a radio/TV show host. This guy was a blip on the screen till he went to Fox. Then you guys wonder why shows like Rachel Maddow is low in ratings because normal everyday people is not invested in hate, they want solutions to all the things that are going on right now. Bad form to say the least.
p.s. I like coming down here because the AlterNet crowd (most of you) don't play kissie face with the administration and this is a democracy (still I hope) so there must be a seat for you at the table, there also must be a seat at the table for me as well
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» Using your line of reasoning
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» Look, sincerely, nothing personal, but ....
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» WHY are you always YELLING!!!?
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DOWn, baby, DOWn!
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In the book verson of "Outfoxed," the fine film about Faux "news," the authors pointed out to bill o'lielly that it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with a more outrageous product--act--than o'lielly. I think that's Beck. The writer of this article may have hit the nail on the head. Beck can weep, and people take him seriously! He can write childish "Christmas" fairy tales, and people purchase them, and purport to read them in their Amazon.com non-reviews.
And I know of what I speak, as my inlaws watch kiddies like Beck and the others. My father in law lives, breathes, and defecates on abortion, so Faux is what he loves most, and Beck to him is an analyst!
Anyway, as I say, Beck understands his audience. He may have been a shock jock if the market were as lucrative, or he may have been a liberal commentator. But for now there's more money in Faux, so Glennie's laughing all the way to the bank.
But, Glenn, if you happen to be reading this, if I ever see you on the street, your life is in danger. Not only are you a harlot, but you're a completely dishonest and dishonorable one. But, well, you know, I'll never even fit into the crowds with who you socialize.
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You all decide if the price is too high & if there is more than one theater.
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If our new Prez is really a US citizen, why does he not show the documentation to prove it?
Why the crew of lawyers to keep the subject mum?
ALL he has to do is show us the proof. I do not mean the certificate of live birth posted on the net either. That was not a legal document of the same standing as a BC. I don't think a COLB is a legal document at all. I wanna see the real thing so I can tell every one "Yup, there it is! Now shut up about it!!"
Start here-
http://tinyurl.com/cvj4l4
http://tinyurl.com/comtdn
The plot thickens in our theater:-)
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd408.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cejynm
There were also Q's about McLame, but he is not in the White House so he is moot. I'd have welcomed an investigation on JMcC with relish! & onions. :-) on a sesame seed...
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Colbert Study: Conservatives Don't Know He's Joking
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When my little brother was three we visited my grandmother's house where the only bathroom was on the second floor. He quickly figured out that when he was playing outdoors and was eager to get back to his play, he could save time by running through the kitchen door and peeing in the kitchen sink rather than going all the way upstairs to the bathroom. Much yelling, screaming, threat of punishment ensued. One day we walked into the kitchen to find him standing there hastily rearranging his clothing and greeting us with the words "I didn't go to the bathroom in the sink!". I thought of this when Beck made his repeated reference to "sowing seeds of discontent". That was what was on his mind. I think that's how he sees his role---as one who agitates, foments, instigates, gets the populace riled up. Then surely he mutters to himself the last two lines of Marc Antony's funeral speech from "Julius Caesar"---
"Now let it work. Mischief, thou art afoot,
Take what course thou wilt!"
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 30, 2009 9:34 AM
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I not only have participated as I do here on a wide range of "talk" forums, I have repeatedly been thrown off one after the other - some as many as three times. What is most significant about that fact is the further fact that in no instance have I resorted to any of the ad hominem attack, vituperation, scurrility, insult or any of the like so characteristic of today's "debate."
Neither have I, ever, lowered the conversation by hurling the vapid and ubiquitous charges of "racist," "sexist," or the "politically-correct" like.
In every instance, in point of demonstrable fact, I have insisted upon logical process, sought to lower the level of heated nastiness, and endeavored to cast the proverbial "oil upon the waters." I have, moreover, demonstrated again and again that illogical assertion and personal attack prove utterly nothing - except the character of the user.
In each instance, I not only supported both sides of political, religious, and ideological arguments, I carefully esculated my objections to the personal attack, vituperation, insult, and the like to the degree of offering exemplary, while far subdued in comparison, rebuttal in kind.
It was I, nevertheless, who was in each instance being mentioned here thrown off the site.
My study suggests a number of things, not the least of which is that none of the providers of "opinion" space is interested in real debate. Their purpose is the same as that of today's "news" media, that of popularity among certain groups. It is entertainment in the form of "venting," and few participants have any interest in anything but what they, themselves, say. Others participate solely to hear the point of view they support repeated again, and again, and again (some sort of psychological re-inforcement, I suppose).
It is also clear that participants in "debate" like that of AlterNet detest logical, scientific, or mathematical proof. One such person - here on AlterNet, matter of fact - protested angrily that "Logic has no place in debate." Well, now - what does?
It has also become clear that certain ideological topics are sancrosanct where any logically, scientifically, or statistically contradictory evidence is concerned. All matters of feminist interest, for instance may not be contradicted, and expulsion is dependent exactly upon degree of logical and rational effectiveness. Prove a point, you are history where the site is concerned.
It is further interesting where feminist and certain other liberal viewpoints are concerned that reply in kind results with absolute certainty in deletion or expulsion. Feminists, for instance, may attack their antagonist by means of derogatory allusion to sexual prowess - but no retaliation of that sort is tolerated.
An interesting instance of that was a woman who called herself "Eyes wide Open." When eyes loosed on me one of the most scurrilous personal attacks of the many to which I have been subjected, I suggested that were I to refer to her as "thighs wide open" I wondered what would happen. In needn't have "wondered" - I was expelled forthwith from Truthout (where I continue under another sobriquet and guise - this one liberal rather than my customary moderate).
I believe scholarly periodicals, even history, will find my study interesting, and I will publish it soon. I have, incidentally, forwarded to each of more than two dozen sites of the kind to which I refer here a copy of this letter. No one has responded.
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