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Enough Dead Pirate Porn: The Press is Relishing the Killing of Three Teenage Pirates With Disturbing Zeal
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I'm relieved that the Navy SEALs rescued the American hostage from Somali pirates. Their skill and professionalism was indeed impressive.
But really ... Two days after the rescue, the banner headline on the front page of the Washington Post should not read "3 Rounds, 3 Dead Bodies." And if that's the front page headline, surely they don't need a second story about pirate-shooting in the same edition.
The American public is relishing the deaths of the pirates to a degree that's downright unseemly.
Gates said the four pirates involved in taking Phillips hostage were 17 to 19 years old -- "untrained teenagers with heavy weapons." The pirate whom Reza wounded in the hand asked the USS Bainbridge for medical attention, effectively surrendering. [WaPo]
All the jubilation is distracting from some serious questions about U.S. policy towards piracy.
The on-scene Navy commander aboard the USS Bainbridge reportedly gave the order to fire because the hostage's life was suddenly in danger. If that's true, then of course the SEALs did the right thing.
Despite the blanket coverage of the SEALs who fired the shots, very little has been reported about the evidence that moved the commander to order the shooting. So far, nobody has explained why the commander decided that the hostage was in jeopardy at that particular moment.
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Posted by: Xynyx on Apr 14, 2009 4:21 PM
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So... if 4 guys grab a woman to drag her off to rape her, should the police not take the shots if they get them? If a situation like this were to occur, wouldn't most of the progressives applaud the saving of the woman?
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 14, 2009 8:40 PM
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The media is selling the killing of these three kids as a great American victory to make the masses feel good about their country, their national identity, and themselves. It brings back some of America's waning confidence that "we rule."
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Apr 14, 2009 9:37 PM
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Navy SEAL training is probably the hardest test of human strength and will in all the U.S. military. In fact, about 99% "washout" before the end of their training, and the ones who apply for the SEALs are taken from the ranks of the "creme de la creme" of all the Navy has to offer.
But, getting back to the operation that called for the SEALs. It was reported that the SEALs were parachuted from high altitude and landed in the sea at night. But, this type of jump is not an ordinary jump. This type of jump probably started from 40 to 50 thousand feet in order the avoid detection from the pirates. These men were equipped with pressurized suites and oxygen masks because of the extremely cold temperature and lack of oxygen at that altitude. They then free fell, turning their bodies into a bullet shape, in order to offer the least amount of drag as they fell at 120 mph. They jumped into a pitch black night, and used an altimeter to gauge their decent. When they reached about 20 thousand feet, they deployed a drogue chute to slow their decent. At about 5 thousand feet they deployed their main chute and landed in the ocean, in total darkness. They carried with them their sniper rifle and other necessary equipment for the mission. They then were picked up by a launch and taken the the destroyer from which they positioned themselves the take the shot. The single shot that each SEAL took was taken at night, on a moving platform, at a bobbing and weaving target, all in the same split second. They wouldn't get a second chance. They had to be right the first time, or the hostage would lose his life in the next split second.
For anyone to find fault with the men who participated in this action just doesn't "know". The pain and suffering these men went through to get to be chosen for this mission can only be told by them. And, the skill sets required to achieve a surgical strike of this caliber puts them in the arena of "World Class". And, to these men I say, OUTSTANDING!!!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Apr 15, 2009 2:18 AM
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Not sure if the author thinks thats a party but I'd say they waited 3 days too long!
I say it again, thank you USN!
Now lets do it again!
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Posted by: LMNOP on Apr 15, 2009 2:40 AM
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Or are the trolls swarming because this is the 17th year of their cycle?
Look at these posts. It's like Tool Time here. Ooh ooh ooh aah aah aah.
Enjoy it. There's no extra harm in that. You haven't had much to applaud except Obama's (America's) failures since Sarah went back to governing the glacier.
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Posted by: ellie on Apr 15, 2009 4:47 AM
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one sea captain hostage with age and wisdom on his side...
food and water running out according to american standards...
maybe time and waiting would have given the captain the upper hand, along with the psychologist they already had on board the destroyer to try to talk the kids out of a really bad idea... and no one would have been shot...
ok, so bring on the slamming and fury... actually, no one won in this round... sad...
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Posted by: Locke'nload on Apr 15, 2009 4:52 AM
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Posted by: J4761 on Apr 15, 2009 4:58 AM
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Posted by: xvictor on Apr 15, 2009 5:01 AM
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And after a brutal Somali civil war (of which the U.S. was indirectly responsible) had totally broken down their society, piracy is what you get. Is there a surprise here? The bloodthirsty glee from the hostage issue comes from ignorant Americans who are pathetically ignorant of history and are blind supporters of flag wavers.
And folks wonder why the WTC was hit.
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Posted by: NYmediator on Apr 15, 2009 5:07 AM
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The sound of MOST American progressives applauding this action is what I hear.
The point is that at the end of the day, we're all still Americans and don't like seeing our people humiliated in such a manner. In many cases, many Americans put themselves in the position of the captain and crew and sympathize. At that point all political posturing falls away.
You can call it mindless jingoism all you want but at some elemental level of functioning, you have to understand the psychology.
While certainly race played a role in the popular reaction to this incident, I think that if the pirates were (name a Balkan nation here) hijacking ships in the Mediterranean, the reaction would be pretty much the same. You touch one of ours, you touch all of us.
The pirates won't quit as evidenced by this morning's news. Progressives need to prepare themselves with the eventual bombing of the pirates' safe ports in Somalia. Obama will have no choice.
And yes, the vast majority of the American people will applaud such a move, regardless of the collateral damage that will result.
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Posted by: J4761 on Apr 15, 2009 5:18 AM
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and we think we're civilized ... yeah right!
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Posted by: Word Mix on Apr 15, 2009 5:21 AM
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It isn't that military and police forces aren't essential. It's that war and killing is always always sad.
I was shocked by my other wise caring sister and the way she vehemently applauded the success of the seals. It wasn't that she applauded them, it was how she did it...with verbal violence and no caring about why the situation happened. If you don't like what someone is doing, shoot them down. It doesn't matter why they were doing it. We don't need to rectify situations in order to stop them from happening again. We just need to destroy people who do it. So sad all the way around.
Reminds me of the lack of curiosity on the right about why 9/11 happened. "They hate our freedoms" was enough even though that made no sense whatsoever. It does make sense that mega corporations hate our freedoms.
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Posted by: jrmart on Apr 15, 2009 6:11 AM
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the author states an unbiased investigation should take place. It is obvious to me that he wouldn't qualify to be on it. Killing these poor little teenagers won't stop the hijackings (another 4 ships were taken after this) But a concerted effort of no quarter gun diplomacy might. When you give poor people a chance to strike at the powers that be, you will always have anarchy. I have no doubt this author believes that it is the rest of the world that is at fault here, and that these impoverished (maybe not so much anymore) Somali's have the moral high ground. Not only was this a truly superb operation, it was the right thing to do.
But this author intimates that the Capt of the Bainbridge is a liar and murderer. I only wish that he (the author) could spend 4 days in a cold boat with his hands bound and 4 crazy teenagers. I have a notion that he would be saying "shooot, for Gods sake shoot"!!!!
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Posted by: john2007 on Apr 15, 2009 6:15 AM
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It's just a damn shame that the tribal chiefs can force Somali kids into these impossible situations. It's not unlike Bush and Cheney sending American kids off to kill and be killed.
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Posted by: Hiroak on Apr 15, 2009 6:44 AM
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Apr 15, 2009 7:03 AM
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when someone is killed by a "teen", they are not as dead as when they are killed by an adult.
The weak minded, knee tremblers here have NO IDEA whatsoever what it is like to be in a situation like this, whether it was the "innocent teen babies" or an adult whose life was being threatened.
I can just hear the author as a rapist drags her little fiminazi ANTI-AMERICAN ass off and she says, "Oh, it's OK, you're just a teen."
There there are the weenie weakkneed ones who post here from the comfort and saftey of BEHIND THEIR KEYBOARDS actually JUDGING how people act and what they do in a REAL situation.
You people are simpering wimpering fools who know NOTHING about these realities.
Then there are the high and mighty who use the race card.
Well, I'd guess they are more HIGH than mighty as,
whatever race and/or ethnicity someone happens to be does NOT make them anymore dead than any other.
I would love to have a recording of these judgemental know-nothings while they are in a foxhole being shot at or while they are being dragged off into an alley to be raped by SOMEONE OF WHATEVER RACE, etc.
It smells here and, that which smells is the decomposition of legitimacy of many posters.
As for you HATERS OF AMERICA, I'd say you know very very few, if any, actual American everyday citizens.
You probably don't WANT to know any of us as, that would FORCE you to make a judgement about YOURSELF.
Well, this REAL AMERICAN is going to go to the gym for health reasons and, when I get home, I'm going to change into my work clothes and go do some evil things such as repair a washer for someone.
How violent.
After doing a couple of these things, I'll come home and get my lawn mower ready in case mother nature's mood improves.
BTW-I have a neighbor across the street who is a Hmong.
They don't have their own mower so, I sometimes let them use mine or I mow their lawn.
How absolutely FUCKING racist of me.
Oh , yeah.
Thins evening, I'll violently and angrily sit on the couch and watch my favorite team play.
WOW!!
What a violently hateful and ignorant human being I am.
And, ONLY because I am an American.
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Posted by: Denver Dem on Apr 15, 2009 7:20 AM
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Apr 15, 2009 7:23 AM
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Posted by: luzmejor on Apr 15, 2009 7:29 AM
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Otherwise, jump into novel-writing with both feet.
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Posted by: chorton on Apr 15, 2009 7:33 AM
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After more than a decade of anarchy, Somalia finally had a government emerging, the Islamic Union Courts, in 2006. Not what I would have wished for them, or apparently what George Bush and the CIA wished, but it was what the people of Somalia were creating. It was destroyed by foreign intervention, with heavy US support, but no foreign army could put the pieces back together again and now the Ethiopian army is withdrawing from a situation they can't control.
Somalia does need a government, but it is not the place of the US to impose one, or to dictate which Somali factions will or will not be allowed to form one. Piracy has to stop, but some provision has to be worked out for policing Somalia's now-lawless coastal waters by Somalis themselves - protecting the fishing grounds and preventing illegal dumping - in a way that is consistent with international law. (Any Somalis with the skills and will to do that are now to be found no doubt among the "pirates".)
But in no case should we countenance a move for US military intervention in Somalia, or let a propaganda campaign leading to that go unchallenged.
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Posted by: lindalee on Apr 15, 2009 10:01 AM
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As the mother of a 19-year-old boy, I'd like to know the circumstances that drove these young boys to do what they did.
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Posted by: playitsam on Apr 15, 2009 11:09 AM
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Apr 15, 2009 11:47 AM
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As I said to someone who was at least polite in response to what I had posted; I was just trying to give credit to a group of men who did an Outstanding job in their rescue of that ship captain. It could have gone very wrong, with the captain being killed. My intent was to explain what had to take place for these Navy SEALs to complete their mission, successfully. I wasn't there, on the scene, so all I had to work with was what was being said through the media. The exact details I don't have, so if I was off on some of them, I apologize. Again, I just wanted to express my amazement at their achievement. There aren't too many people in the world who could have pulled that off. So again, I say to those Navy SEALs, Outstanding!!!
P.S. If you have any further complaints, say them to the SEALs who did their duty in trying to save that captain's life. And, good luck.
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Posted by: JonA on Apr 15, 2009 4:58 PM
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Posted by: inanaturallight on Apr 15, 2009 7:23 PM
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No, there's still a lot to this story that we aren't hearing... the 'facts' about it are shaky and ever-moving and they don't fit quite right.
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Posted by: JefffromCA on Apr 15, 2009 7:29 PM
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The SEALS are badass. Better'n Ninjas for taking out pirates.
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Posted by: ron517 on Apr 16, 2009 1:06 AM
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Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Apr 16, 2009 5:29 AM
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Something had to break in this area of the world. Its been going on for far too long.And its not over.
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Posted by: mandiwrite on Apr 16, 2009 10:42 AM
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I am not in favour of piracy, but jeez, I could wish that USA citizens were less triumphal, thrilled by the deaths of these boys. This situation is sad, sad, sad, and there are no winners here.
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Apr 16, 2009 9:50 PM
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It's so Orwellian. Set up an enemy and then have a solution to the problem by killing and destroying for profit.
It's all distraction from our problems here in the US. It could also be used as a reason to invade and rob them (like Afghanitan and Iraq, etc.).
The Navy Seals could have done this a long time ago. Nope wait until it got out of hand and make it a victory. A victory we haven't seen in years in Iraq and Afghanistan (now Caspian Sea area).
Bush=Obama same war, globalist, and corporate rule presidents.
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Apr 16, 2009 9:56 PM
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Posted by: Xynyx on Apr 14, 2009 4:21 PM
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So... if 4 guys grab a woman to drag her off to rape her, should the police not take the shots if they get them? If a situation like this were to occur, wouldn't most of the progressives applaud the saving of the woman?
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Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Apr 14, 2009 7:11 PM
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 14, 2009 8:40 PM
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The media is selling the killing of these three kids as a great American victory to make the masses feel good about their country, their national identity, and themselves. It brings back some of America's waning confidence that "we rule."
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Apr 14, 2009 9:37 PM
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Navy SEAL training is probably the hardest test of human strength and will in all the U.S. military. In fact, about 99% "washout" before the end of their training, and the ones who apply for the SEALs are taken from the ranks of the "creme de la creme" of all the Navy has to offer.
But, getting back to the operation that called for the SEALs. It was reported that the SEALs were parachuted from high altitude and landed in the sea at night. But, this type of jump is not an ordinary jump. This type of jump probably started from 40 to 50 thousand feet in order the avoid detection from the pirates. These men were equipped with pressurized suites and oxygen masks because of the extremely cold temperature and lack of oxygen at that altitude. They then free fell, turning their bodies into a bullet shape, in order to offer the least amount of drag as they fell at 120 mph. They jumped into a pitch black night, and used an altimeter to gauge their decent. When they reached about 20 thousand feet, they deployed a drogue chute to slow their decent. At about 5 thousand feet they deployed their main chute and landed in the ocean, in total darkness. They carried with them their sniper rifle and other necessary equipment for the mission. They then were picked up by a launch and taken the the destroyer from which they positioned themselves the take the shot. The single shot that each SEAL took was taken at night, on a moving platform, at a bobbing and weaving target, all in the same split second. They wouldn't get a second chance. They had to be right the first time, or the hostage would lose his life in the next split second.
For anyone to find fault with the men who participated in this action just doesn't "know". The pain and suffering these men went through to get to be chosen for this mission can only be told by them. And, the skill sets required to achieve a surgical strike of this caliber puts them in the arena of "World Class". And, to these men I say, OUTSTANDING!!!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Apr 15, 2009 2:18 AM
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Not sure if the author thinks thats a party but I'd say they waited 3 days too long!
I say it again, thank you USN!
Now lets do it again!
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Posted by: LMNOP on Apr 15, 2009 2:40 AM
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Or are the trolls swarming because this is the 17th year of their cycle?
Look at these posts. It's like Tool Time here. Ooh ooh ooh aah aah aah.
Enjoy it. There's no extra harm in that. You haven't had much to applaud except Obama's (America's) failures since Sarah went back to governing the glacier.
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Posted by: ellie on Apr 15, 2009 4:47 AM
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one sea captain hostage with age and wisdom on his side...
food and water running out according to american standards...
maybe time and waiting would have given the captain the upper hand, along with the psychologist they already had on board the destroyer to try to talk the kids out of a really bad idea... and no one would have been shot...
ok, so bring on the slamming and fury... actually, no one won in this round... sad...
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Posted by: Locke'nload on Apr 15, 2009 4:52 AM
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Posted by: J4761 on Apr 15, 2009 4:58 AM
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Posted by: xvictor on Apr 15, 2009 5:01 AM
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And after a brutal Somali civil war (of which the U.S. was indirectly responsible) had totally broken down their society, piracy is what you get. Is there a surprise here? The bloodthirsty glee from the hostage issue comes from ignorant Americans who are pathetically ignorant of history and are blind supporters of flag wavers.
And folks wonder why the WTC was hit.
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Posted by: NYmediator on Apr 15, 2009 5:07 AM
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The sound of MOST American progressives applauding this action is what I hear.
The point is that at the end of the day, we're all still Americans and don't like seeing our people humiliated in such a manner. In many cases, many Americans put themselves in the position of the captain and crew and sympathize. At that point all political posturing falls away.
You can call it mindless jingoism all you want but at some elemental level of functioning, you have to understand the psychology.
While certainly race played a role in the popular reaction to this incident, I think that if the pirates were (name a Balkan nation here) hijacking ships in the Mediterranean, the reaction would be pretty much the same. You touch one of ours, you touch all of us.
The pirates won't quit as evidenced by this morning's news. Progressives need to prepare themselves with the eventual bombing of the pirates' safe ports in Somalia. Obama will have no choice.
And yes, the vast majority of the American people will applaud such a move, regardless of the collateral damage that will result.
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Posted by: J4761 on Apr 15, 2009 5:18 AM
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and we think we're civilized ... yeah right!
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Posted by: Word Mix on Apr 15, 2009 5:21 AM
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It isn't that military and police forces aren't essential. It's that war and killing is always always sad.
I was shocked by my other wise caring sister and the way she vehemently applauded the success of the seals. It wasn't that she applauded them, it was how she did it...with verbal violence and no caring about why the situation happened. If you don't like what someone is doing, shoot them down. It doesn't matter why they were doing it. We don't need to rectify situations in order to stop them from happening again. We just need to destroy people who do it. So sad all the way around.
Reminds me of the lack of curiosity on the right about why 9/11 happened. "They hate our freedoms" was enough even though that made no sense whatsoever. It does make sense that mega corporations hate our freedoms.
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Posted by: jrmart on Apr 15, 2009 6:11 AM
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the author states an unbiased investigation should take place. It is obvious to me that he wouldn't qualify to be on it. Killing these poor little teenagers won't stop the hijackings (another 4 ships were taken after this) But a concerted effort of no quarter gun diplomacy might. When you give poor people a chance to strike at the powers that be, you will always have anarchy. I have no doubt this author believes that it is the rest of the world that is at fault here, and that these impoverished (maybe not so much anymore) Somali's have the moral high ground. Not only was this a truly superb operation, it was the right thing to do.
But this author intimates that the Capt of the Bainbridge is a liar and murderer. I only wish that he (the author) could spend 4 days in a cold boat with his hands bound and 4 crazy teenagers. I have a notion that he would be saying "shooot, for Gods sake shoot"!!!!
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Posted by: john2007 on Apr 15, 2009 6:15 AM
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It's just a damn shame that the tribal chiefs can force Somali kids into these impossible situations. It's not unlike Bush and Cheney sending American kids off to kill and be killed.
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Posted by: Hiroak on Apr 15, 2009 6:44 AM
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Apr 15, 2009 7:03 AM
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when someone is killed by a "teen", they are not as dead as when they are killed by an adult.
The weak minded, knee tremblers here have NO IDEA whatsoever what it is like to be in a situation like this, whether it was the "innocent teen babies" or an adult whose life was being threatened.
I can just hear the author as a rapist drags her little fiminazi ANTI-AMERICAN ass off and she says, "Oh, it's OK, you're just a teen."
There there are the weenie weakkneed ones who post here from the comfort and saftey of BEHIND THEIR KEYBOARDS actually JUDGING how people act and what they do in a REAL situation.
You people are simpering wimpering fools who know NOTHING about these realities.
Then there are the high and mighty who use the race card.
Well, I'd guess they are more HIGH than mighty as,
whatever race and/or ethnicity someone happens to be does NOT make them anymore dead than any other.
I would love to have a recording of these judgemental know-nothings while they are in a foxhole being shot at or while they are being dragged off into an alley to be raped by SOMEONE OF WHATEVER RACE, etc.
It smells here and, that which smells is the decomposition of legitimacy of many posters.
As for you HATERS OF AMERICA, I'd say you know very very few, if any, actual American everyday citizens.
You probably don't WANT to know any of us as, that would FORCE you to make a judgement about YOURSELF.
Well, this REAL AMERICAN is going to go to the gym for health reasons and, when I get home, I'm going to change into my work clothes and go do some evil things such as repair a washer for someone.
How violent.
After doing a couple of these things, I'll come home and get my lawn mower ready in case mother nature's mood improves.
BTW-I have a neighbor across the street who is a Hmong.
They don't have their own mower so, I sometimes let them use mine or I mow their lawn.
How absolutely FUCKING racist of me.
Oh , yeah.
Thins evening, I'll violently and angrily sit on the couch and watch my favorite team play.
WOW!!
What a violently hateful and ignorant human being I am.
And, ONLY because I am an American.
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Apr 15, 2009 7:23 AM
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Posted by: luzmejor on Apr 15, 2009 7:29 AM
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Otherwise, jump into novel-writing with both feet.
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Posted by: chorton on Apr 15, 2009 7:33 AM
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After more than a decade of anarchy, Somalia finally had a government emerging, the Islamic Union Courts, in 2006. Not what I would have wished for them, or apparently what George Bush and the CIA wished, but it was what the people of Somalia were creating. It was destroyed by foreign intervention, with heavy US support, but no foreign army could put the pieces back together again and now the Ethiopian army is withdrawing from a situation they can't control.
Somalia does need a government, but it is not the place of the US to impose one, or to dictate which Somali factions will or will not be allowed to form one. Piracy has to stop, but some provision has to be worked out for policing Somalia's now-lawless coastal waters by Somalis themselves - protecting the fishing grounds and preventing illegal dumping - in a way that is consistent with international law. (Any Somalis with the skills and will to do that are now to be found no doubt among the "pirates".)
But in no case should we countenance a move for US military intervention in Somalia, or let a propaganda campaign leading to that go unchallenged.
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Posted by: lindalee on Apr 15, 2009 10:01 AM
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As the mother of a 19-year-old boy, I'd like to know the circumstances that drove these young boys to do what they did.
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Posted by: playitsam on Apr 15, 2009 11:09 AM
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Apr 15, 2009 11:47 AM
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As I said to someone who was at least polite in response to what I had posted; I was just trying to give credit to a group of men who did an Outstanding job in their rescue of that ship captain. It could have gone very wrong, with the captain being killed. My intent was to explain what had to take place for these Navy SEALs to complete their mission, successfully. I wasn't there, on the scene, so all I had to work with was what was being said through the media. The exact details I don't have, so if I was off on some of them, I apologize. Again, I just wanted to express my amazement at their achievement. There aren't too many people in the world who could have pulled that off. So again, I say to those Navy SEALs, Outstanding!!!
P.S. If you have any further complaints, say them to the SEALs who did their duty in trying to save that captain's life. And, good luck.
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Posted by: JonA on Apr 15, 2009 4:58 PM
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Posted by: inanaturallight on Apr 15, 2009 7:23 PM
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No, there's still a lot to this story that we aren't hearing... the 'facts' about it are shaky and ever-moving and they don't fit quite right.
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Posted by: JefffromCA on Apr 15, 2009 7:29 PM
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The SEALS are badass. Better'n Ninjas for taking out pirates.
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Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Apr 16, 2009 5:29 AM
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Something had to break in this area of the world. Its been going on for far too long.And its not over.
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Posted by: mandiwrite on Apr 16, 2009 10:42 AM
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I am not in favour of piracy, but jeez, I could wish that USA citizens were less triumphal, thrilled by the deaths of these boys. This situation is sad, sad, sad, and there are no winners here.
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Apr 16, 2009 9:50 PM
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It's so Orwellian. Set up an enemy and then have a solution to the problem by killing and destroying for profit.
It's all distraction from our problems here in the US. It could also be used as a reason to invade and rob them (like Afghanitan and Iraq, etc.).
The Navy Seals could have done this a long time ago. Nope wait until it got out of hand and make it a victory. A victory we haven't seen in years in Iraq and Afghanistan (now Caspian Sea area).
Bush=Obama same war, globalist, and corporate rule presidents.
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