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Bageant: We've Let Corporations and Media Rob Our Souls -- It's Time to Do Something Meaningful
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The following text is drawn from a series of recent speeches delivered by Joe Bageant, including at the Adler School of Professional Psychology in Chicago.
I just returned from several months in Central America. And the day I returned, I had iguana eggs for breakfast, airline pretzels for lunch and a $7 shot of Jack Daniels for dinner at the Houston airport, where I spent two hours listening to a Christian religious fanatic tell about Obama running a worldwide child porn ring out of the White House.
Entering the country shoeless through airport homeland security, holding up my pants because they don't let old men wear suspenders through security, well, I knew I was back home in the land of the free.
Anyway, here I am with you good people asking myself the first logical question: What the hell is a redneck writer supposed to say to a prestigious school of psychology? Why of all places am I here? It is intimidating as hell. .
But Janna Henning and Sharrod Taylor here have reassured me that all I need to do is talk about is what I write about. And what I write about is Americans, and why we think and behave the way we do. To do that here today, I am forced to talk about three things -- corporations, television and human spirituality.
No matter how smart we may think we are, the larger world cannot and does not exist for most of us in this room, except through media, and maybe through the shallow experience of tourism. Or in the minority instance, we may know of it through higher education. .
The world however, is not a cultural history course, a National Geographic special or recreational destination. It is a real place with many fast-developing disasters, economic and ecological collapse being just two. The more aware among us grasp that there is much at stake. Yet, even the most informed and educated Americans have cultural conditioning working against them around the clock.
As psych students, most of you understand that there is no way you can escape being conditioned by your society, one way or another. You are as conditioned as any trained chicken in a carnival. So am I. When we go to the ATM and punch the buttons to make cash fall out, we are doing the same thing as the chickens that peck the colored buttons make corn drop from the feeder.
You will not do a single thing today, tomorrow or the next day that you have not been generally indoctrinated and deeply conditioned to do -- mostly along class lines.
For instance, as university students, you are among the 20 percent or so of Americans indoctrinated and conditioned to be the administrating and operating class of the American empire in some form or another, in the business of managing the other 75 percent in innumerable ways.
Psychologists, teachers, lawyers, social workers, doctors, accountants, sociologists, mental health workers, clergy -- all are in the business of coordinating and managing the greater mass of working-class citizenry by the empire's approved methods, and toward the same end: Maximum profitability for a corporate-based state.
Yet it all seems so normal. Certainly the psychologists who have prescribed so much Prozac that it now shows up in the piss of penguins, saw what they did as necessary.
And the doctors who enable the profitable blackmail practiced by the medical industries see it all as part of the most technologically advanced medical system in the world.
And the teacher, who sees no problem with 20 percent of her fourth-graders being on Ritalin, in the name of "appropriate behavior," is happy to have control of her classroom.
None of these feel like dupes or pawns of a corporate state. It seems like just the way things are. Just modern American reality. Which is a corporate-generated reality.
Given the financialization of all aspects of our culture and lives, even our so-called leisure time, it is not an exaggeration to say that true democracy is dead, and a corporate financial state has now arrived.
If you can get your head around that, it's not hard to see an ever-merging global corporate system masquerading electronically and digitally as a nation called the United States. Or Japan for that matter.
The corporation now animates us from within our very selves through management of the need hierarchy in goods and information.
As students, even in such an enlightened institution as this one, you are being subjected to the at least some of pedagogy of the corporate management of society for maximum profit.
Unarguably, your training will help many fellow human beings. But in the larger scheme of things, you are part of an institution, the American psycho-socio-medical complex, and thus authorized to manage public consciousness, one person at a time.
Remember that the entire pedagogy in which you are immersed is itself immersed in a corporate financial state. Even if some of what you do is alternative psychology that is a reaction to the state, and therefore a result of it, it's still part of the financialization of consciousness. And, I might add, none you expect to work for nothing.
This financialization of our consciousness under American-style capitalism has become all we know. That's why we fear its loss. Hence the bailouts of the thousands of "zombie banks," dead but still walking, thanks to the people's taxpayer offerings to the money god so that banks will not die.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 6, 2009 12:51 AM
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Let it suffice to say I know what you mean about learning from the earthier experience of life in simpler parts of the world. There is an ease of sociability and empathy in poorer, more "primitive" cultures that I haven't seen much of in the U.S., where even the natural compulsion to sympathize with another human being for whatever reason must often be run through an ideological filter, instilled in us by media propaganda, before a person can decide as to the propriety of this act.
We're an awkward people with too many unwritten rules regulating the forms of our sociability.
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» Let me rephrase that title: It's a fantastic speech.
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Posted by: DanielHaszard on Apr 6, 2009 1:06 AM
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My comment,The Jehovah's Witnesses recruit for the oppressive BORING New York Watchtower corporation and offer nothing to third world countries except exploitation.
http://www.dannyhaszard.com
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Posted by: Suzon on Apr 6, 2009 2:21 AM
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As to the main point, take a look at the courses offered in our universities. The vast majority are career-orientated, teaching people how to fit into the corporate reality. Few courses are meant to help people understand the world we live in.
Even the universities which are supposed to be the most admirable follow this pattern. They will teach you how to become a lawyer instead of encouraging you to understand how law came to be used by an elite for criminal purposes.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 6, 2009 2:47 AM
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Our culture seems like a stunned patient coming off drugs. "What the hell went wrong?" we seem to be saying. It was especially poignant hearing Alan Greenspan's amazement at the failure of the honor system on Wall Street.
Reading more Ayn Rand novels probably won't shore things up at this point, though the reading of actual literature has miraculous healing powers. A strict fast from television for a few days will work wonders.
PS: Mr. Logan's latest effort, a clip called Xe
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Posted by: semperfam on Apr 6, 2009 2:56 AM
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once my Wife ((who is from outside the US)) and her visiting Brother were sitting in our living room adn playing guitare and singing together.
i realized how beautiful that was and that she and i had been spending far too much time replacing that real experience with iTunes 8-)
thanks to you my fellow strand, tomorrow i am buying an acoustic guitar and making some time for substance over synthesis! actual reality.
please just keep on your journey and path of both discovery and realization. and most of all, for the sake of the awareness of your fellow strands ((who are in the digitized hologram)) keep speaking at colleges and universities whenever you can 8-)
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Posted by: davy on Apr 6, 2009 4:00 AM
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Apr 6, 2009 4:08 AM
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The "we are all connected" neomystical ending always hooks me- hey we all want meaning, right? But we don't live our lives that way. How we would outside of joining a monestary or a cult, religious or otherwise, is beyond me.
But yes, Joe, you've well described what it it is that we do from at least adolescence to death.
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Posted by: colinsyme on Apr 6, 2009 5:26 AM
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"Go to the ant sluggard and consider his ways wise" a verse from the bible my former headmaster frequenty quoted at morning assembly,---l have always wondered what it meant? be satisfied with your lot and work away making sure that the queen has enough food to continue breeding? well that might work for ants but we folk all have a "dream" not the so called "American dream" but the dream that most simple people have,no matter where they live, that is a dream that they will grow old in a community,have a roof over their heads, food to eat and have children in a happy family, nothing more than that! everything else is a bonus but not a bonus that deprives us of the former. ln happy societies the inter-dependence between the hunter/fisherman and those who grow food/ make things is in balance, both equally respected as is the role of the "elders" we have made the mistake of downgrading the value of those who have little or no education,---no matter how hard they work! and over reward those who have had the benefit of further education when it has become quite clear in the last year that they do not have all the answers indeed have been selling us a big lie for the last 50 years and, as Joe is telling us,"look the king HAS no clothes".
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Posted by: agape on Apr 6, 2009 5:29 AM
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Posted by: Mimi on Apr 6, 2009 6:06 AM
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The brain is filled with mirror neurons. Whoever controls the images through the media DOES control our brains. But this is not "theatre"'s fault, it is the use of this powerful medium for oppressive ends.
We are all ACTORS "in this together," this TRAGEDY of global ecological devastation, climate change, petty tyranny, the theatre of the absurd of global finance. What Bageant is actually telling you to do is give yourself a different role to play. Absolutely the right medicine: go play a different role than mindless consumer. Get out of the deadly theatre of capitalism-as-tyranny and perform different kinds of actions, acts of service, acts of love for life, acts of kindness, random and deliberate -- ACT differently, and the tragedy we are now in will end.
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Apr 6, 2009 6:13 AM
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Posted by: Beck on Apr 6, 2009 6:16 AM
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If there truly is a hologram, it could not exist without this pattern of blame: if everyone were like ME, we'd be fine. Maybe in the next year, we each should try to talk to the people we blame. If you blame conservatives, find three and ask them why they are that. This will be dismaying not because we'll find out worst fears predictably confirmed, but because we'll find ways to see their point, and at least agree that they're not stumbling around as blindly as we previously assured ourselves. If you blame Democrats, talk to some. Or military members. Jehovah's witnesses. Anyone. How can it hurt? If they ARE as blind as we think, won't being asked interested questions, asking them to define their beliefs, help both of us?
Any nation this big probably has to have a hologram, but assuming that we are, like practically every old Twilight Zone episode, the only Awake Ones surrounded by a sea of incomprehensible and threatening zombies is surely a hologram, comforting in this confusing and overly busy culture, as unseen as the more simplistic and obvious ones underneath it. Maybe Rule #1 of getting out from under a hologram is: what part of the hologram comforts ME? It won't be obvious. If the main thing we think needs to happen to correct a wrong trajectory is that the people most different from us need to change to the degree they ARE different, we're comforting ourselves with our own construct.
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Posted by: wbblack on Apr 6, 2009 6:20 AM
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Posted by: greenferret on Apr 6, 2009 6:38 AM
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If you're in NYC, check out Bill Talen, aka Reverend Billy, who is running for mayor against Bloomberg. Bill Talen is a visionary, and he's trying to stop the transformation of wonderful New York City into just another corporate asset. His website is VoteRevBilly.org.
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Posted by: blondesprite on Apr 6, 2009 6:44 AM
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During the early nineties I was in a business that necessitated spotting and watching trends.
I picked up a business trade magazine and read about the emergence of Christian Psychiatry.
I had a long belly laugh over it. My co-workers never fully grasped what was, for me, so dammed funny.
Joe gets it.
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Posted by: Marlena on Apr 6, 2009 7:22 AM
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You can fight them!! yes , I'm conditioned too, yes I live in it too, yet resistance is NOT futile!!
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» Do you think the "dream" of billions is actually theirs?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 6, 2009 7:39 AM
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why do you think so many Corp Whore Poltiicians are also affilated with the Religious Right.By blocking Reproductive rights and perpetuating ONLY abstinence only Education, they are assuring an endless supply of cheap labor. flood the market with not only unfettered births, but then kneecap the economy to assure less Workers exit the system through natural Atrition.
The Corps intentionally Conned the 'Pro Life' movement- continue to filter money to their cause- It guarantees a heavy 'supply side' of future labor.
'Trickle Down' not only had a long history or failure, but also an American History of out right rejection. Our ancestors rejected it when they got on those first boats, waged a Revolutionary War and then a Civil War to end such Feudal cast systems. It was just as advantageous to encourage the old time Serfs to be 'frutiful and multiple' as it was the Slaves.One dies you have a dozen more to take his place- and desperately competing for that One spot. This is why they have not given a damn about Healthcare reform either.Assuring Humanity remians a 'Dime a Dozen'...disposable Batteries. This isn't just a Treasonous agenda, It's the most heinous crime against Humanity.
This economic collapse has a silver lining- it's shattered the facade constructed by these Brick & Mortar entities. People all around the World are realizing those 'tin hats'who've been screaming the lyrics of Pink Floyds 'Welcome to the Machine' for the last few decades have been right all along.
Gov't, Industry, Religion and Media are mere Creation of Humanity- tools which have run amok.It's not th ethe tools are bad- or no longer needed- we just need to regain our grip on them- they've been running without the craftmen's skilled hands for far too long.If Gov't does not act within the Common good, It industry does not provide a real market, If Religion no longer provides peace and Media doe not inform...Then they have become not only counterproductive, but dangerous- They are then the Four Horseman we have been warned about.They pertpetuate Injustice, War, plague, pestulence, famine.Glaring Example of these Riders- Pundantry which put a Religious spin on the Blood for Oil Wars only aided in the corp & Gov't efforts to negate any efforts to curb global warming and it's multfaceted effects on Humanity.
So what is these Entities Archilles Heel- We don't need them to survive or thrive. The same is not true for them.
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Posted by: nismx on Apr 6, 2009 7:38 AM
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or try to find the score to some game, or some other programmed meaningless quest. Besides it doesn't effect them, and it won't make any difference if we have steak tonight. We can't help it if they have to cut down a few more forrest and consume most of our already scarce water. And if we have to invade a few countries at least we can have gas for our SUV's. In less it's on TV it doesn't effect us. Besides we have to know who made entertainer of the year. And all the people our gov. had to kill was necessary for the greater good.. meaning PROFIT of course As nothing else matters... to Corporations.
...I have a solution: Any Corporation that does or sells anything that harms or corrupts should be dissolved and all assets divided among people making less than say so much a year with families. Now the law reads a corporation has to make a profit " no matter what.
Anyway; This is one of the best articles I have read in a long time.
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Posted by: WesternNY on Apr 6, 2009 7:40 AM
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The most amazing aspect was to realize how much of what I "knew" were images from TV. I "knew" the fifites (I was born in 1958) because of "Leave it to Beaver," etc.
After time, the images implanted by way to TV come to seem hokey and the world around me, the people I interact, with more real. It is truly amazing.
Besides, the best part is NOT being subjected to the commercials anymore.
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» Outdated and primitive propaganda is still propaganda.
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Posted by: ashbar on Apr 6, 2009 7:40 AM
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Posted by: solrev on Apr 6, 2009 8:14 AM
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“Maximum profitability for a corporate based state.” How does it benefit me to accumulate the treasures of the dimension of the flush? “It seems like just the way things are. Just modern American reality. Which is a corporate generated reality. The corporation now animates us from within our very selves through management of the need hierarchy in goods and information.” You sold your soul at the company store and now you whine because you gave up your God given free will.
“It's still part of the financialization of consciousness. This financialization of our consciousness under American style capitalism has become all we know.” Man does not live by bread alone, don’t you know that.
“Americans believe they are unique individuals, significantly different from every other person around them.” We are all created in the image of the creator; we are all the children of God. We are the creators of souls not the creators of wealth.
“That we have a choice is damned good news.” What, you want to buy back your free will?
We have no universal free health care, but we do have the ability by the sweat of our brow to heal the sick, ain’t that a miracle?
I could go on and on, but you should come and live with us revolutionaries right here in America for a while. We exist in the world you describe but we do not live there. How is that for a transcendent hallucination or hologram? Welcome to the revolution of 2012.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Apr 6, 2009 8:58 AM
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If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.
Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.
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Posted by: Quasar on Apr 6, 2009 10:56 AM
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It is no accident that our current crisis was brought about by peple living in and believing in "the Bubble", because that is precisely what happened.
The difference among dreamers is this: Magic mushrooms for a frat boy in the midwest is "a mind fuck" but for Casteneda's Yaqui indian it is a vision quest to the parallel world.
Drive your car on deslotae road to nowhere until the gas runs out. When you step outside the first thing you will sense after the silence will be the whisper of the parallel world in all it's nastiness, and power and wonder.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 6, 2009 12:14 PM
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I am a fan of Emerson. His transcendentalists were like the 60s hippies who believed in the life of the aesthete. How can one argue with those who believe that it is good to be good?
"Meaning" has no significance until it is bonded with "of what." I don't want a life that is meaningful if what it is full of is simply the dictionary meanings of words or the meaning of nonsense.
"Value" has no significance until likewise, as it is a comparative--more or less than what?
So thanks for making us uncomfortable, because, again following Emerson, to paraphrase "Most of us want to be comfortable when what we need most is to be uncomfortable." (Try that on an audience of psychologists who peddle comfort for a living.)
When you've been mystified by one mythology, it is possible that you become such a phony that you cannot even see for yourself. Ever hear of the "mote in the eye"?
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Posted by: stellabloo on Apr 6, 2009 1:53 PM
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The red pill or the blue pill? In the words of Dostoevsky "the dreadful has already happened". We are already plugged into the Universe, there is no escape from the gaping maw that is Infinity. Our desperate need for control - over the uncontrollable - drives us to construct an artificial reality in which securities are stock-in-trade and futures can be bought and sold...
The first three steps of the 12 Step Program were the forerunners of "turn on, tune in, drop out". Sobriety is all about Letting Go. Most of us are still clinging desperately to appearances, to our position in society, to a tree root on the muddy bank of a rushing river. Most of us have not hit "bottom" - yet.
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Posted by: A. Servant on Apr 8, 2009 12:12 AM
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Step 3: Made a decision to turn our will and our lives away from the care of the slave masters.
Step 6: Were entirely ready to be free of the matrix.
Read all the Steps of Slaves Anonymous
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:58 AM
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The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.
NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.
MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
the latest??? FILMAKER MICHALE MOORE even made a propaganda 'feature film' claiming that Cuba's socialized healthcare is better than America's and that USA should imitate Cuba.
HOWEVER the reality is far different.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it??? here's what NORMAN THOMAS one of co-founder's of ACLU says about USA quote-- Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
SEE the national center for public policy research, american center for law and justice and familysecuritymatters.org
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 12:03 PM
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MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
the latest??? FILMAKER MICHALE MOORE even made a propaganda 'feature film' claiming that Cuba's socialized healthcare is better than America's and that USA should imitate Cuba.
HOWEVER the reality is far different. IN CUBA people are forced to BEG for allergy/asthma inhalers and aspirin.
what they were hiding is that if America allows themselves to be bamboozled into SOCIALISTIC HEALTHCARE you can be DEMS will make sure WE ARE WORSE OFF THAN CUBA.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it??? here's what NORMAN THOMAS one of co-founder's of ACLU says about USA quote-- Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
go see how to make it happen SEE the national center for public policy research
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 10, 2009 9:26 AM
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Bageant stops just short, however, of mentioning Operation MOCKINGBIRD, the CIA program begun in the fifties (conceived, actually, in the forties) and intended to do just what has happened to our media and national culture.
I don't think the effects of MOCKINGBIRD can be reduced. The proles in Orwell's 1984, didn't succeed in freeing themselves, either, you know.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 6, 2009 12:51 AM
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Let it suffice to say I know what you mean about learning from the earthier experience of life in simpler parts of the world. There is an ease of sociability and empathy in poorer, more "primitive" cultures that I haven't seen much of in the U.S., where even the natural compulsion to sympathize with another human being for whatever reason must often be run through an ideological filter, instilled in us by media propaganda, before a person can decide as to the propriety of this act.
We're an awkward people with too many unwritten rules regulating the forms of our sociability.
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Posted by: DanielHaszard on Apr 6, 2009 1:06 AM
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My comment,The Jehovah's Witnesses recruit for the oppressive BORING New York Watchtower corporation and offer nothing to third world countries except exploitation.
http://www.dannyhaszard.com
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Posted by: Suzon on Apr 6, 2009 2:21 AM
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As to the main point, take a look at the courses offered in our universities. The vast majority are career-orientated, teaching people how to fit into the corporate reality. Few courses are meant to help people understand the world we live in.
Even the universities which are supposed to be the most admirable follow this pattern. They will teach you how to become a lawyer instead of encouraging you to understand how law came to be used by an elite for criminal purposes.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 6, 2009 2:47 AM
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Our culture seems like a stunned patient coming off drugs. "What the hell went wrong?" we seem to be saying. It was especially poignant hearing Alan Greenspan's amazement at the failure of the honor system on Wall Street.
Reading more Ayn Rand novels probably won't shore things up at this point, though the reading of actual literature has miraculous healing powers. A strict fast from television for a few days will work wonders.
PS: Mr. Logan's latest effort, a clip called Xe
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Posted by: semperfam on Apr 6, 2009 2:56 AM
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once my Wife ((who is from outside the US)) and her visiting Brother were sitting in our living room adn playing guitare and singing together.
i realized how beautiful that was and that she and i had been spending far too much time replacing that real experience with iTunes 8-)
thanks to you my fellow strand, tomorrow i am buying an acoustic guitar and making some time for substance over synthesis! actual reality.
please just keep on your journey and path of both discovery and realization. and most of all, for the sake of the awareness of your fellow strands ((who are in the digitized hologram)) keep speaking at colleges and universities whenever you can 8-)
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Apr 6, 2009 4:08 AM
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The "we are all connected" neomystical ending always hooks me- hey we all want meaning, right? But we don't live our lives that way. How we would outside of joining a monestary or a cult, religious or otherwise, is beyond me.
But yes, Joe, you've well described what it it is that we do from at least adolescence to death.
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Posted by: colinsyme on Apr 6, 2009 5:26 AM
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"Go to the ant sluggard and consider his ways wise" a verse from the bible my former headmaster frequenty quoted at morning assembly,---l have always wondered what it meant? be satisfied with your lot and work away making sure that the queen has enough food to continue breeding? well that might work for ants but we folk all have a "dream" not the so called "American dream" but the dream that most simple people have,no matter where they live, that is a dream that they will grow old in a community,have a roof over their heads, food to eat and have children in a happy family, nothing more than that! everything else is a bonus but not a bonus that deprives us of the former. ln happy societies the inter-dependence between the hunter/fisherman and those who grow food/ make things is in balance, both equally respected as is the role of the "elders" we have made the mistake of downgrading the value of those who have little or no education,---no matter how hard they work! and over reward those who have had the benefit of further education when it has become quite clear in the last year that they do not have all the answers indeed have been selling us a big lie for the last 50 years and, as Joe is telling us,"look the king HAS no clothes".
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Posted by: Mimi on Apr 6, 2009 6:06 AM
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The brain is filled with mirror neurons. Whoever controls the images through the media DOES control our brains. But this is not "theatre"'s fault, it is the use of this powerful medium for oppressive ends.
We are all ACTORS "in this together," this TRAGEDY of global ecological devastation, climate change, petty tyranny, the theatre of the absurd of global finance. What Bageant is actually telling you to do is give yourself a different role to play. Absolutely the right medicine: go play a different role than mindless consumer. Get out of the deadly theatre of capitalism-as-tyranny and perform different kinds of actions, acts of service, acts of love for life, acts of kindness, random and deliberate -- ACT differently, and the tragedy we are now in will end.
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Posted by: Beck on Apr 6, 2009 6:16 AM
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If there truly is a hologram, it could not exist without this pattern of blame: if everyone were like ME, we'd be fine. Maybe in the next year, we each should try to talk to the people we blame. If you blame conservatives, find three and ask them why they are that. This will be dismaying not because we'll find out worst fears predictably confirmed, but because we'll find ways to see their point, and at least agree that they're not stumbling around as blindly as we previously assured ourselves. If you blame Democrats, talk to some. Or military members. Jehovah's witnesses. Anyone. How can it hurt? If they ARE as blind as we think, won't being asked interested questions, asking them to define their beliefs, help both of us?
Any nation this big probably has to have a hologram, but assuming that we are, like practically every old Twilight Zone episode, the only Awake Ones surrounded by a sea of incomprehensible and threatening zombies is surely a hologram, comforting in this confusing and overly busy culture, as unseen as the more simplistic and obvious ones underneath it. Maybe Rule #1 of getting out from under a hologram is: what part of the hologram comforts ME? It won't be obvious. If the main thing we think needs to happen to correct a wrong trajectory is that the people most different from us need to change to the degree they ARE different, we're comforting ourselves with our own construct.
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If you're in NYC, check out Bill Talen, aka Reverend Billy, who is running for mayor against Bloomberg. Bill Talen is a visionary, and he's trying to stop the transformation of wonderful New York City into just another corporate asset. His website is VoteRevBilly.org.
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Posted by: blondesprite on Apr 6, 2009 6:44 AM
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During the early nineties I was in a business that necessitated spotting and watching trends.
I picked up a business trade magazine and read about the emergence of Christian Psychiatry.
I had a long belly laugh over it. My co-workers never fully grasped what was, for me, so dammed funny.
Joe gets it.
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Posted by: Marlena on Apr 6, 2009 7:22 AM
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You can fight them!! yes , I'm conditioned too, yes I live in it too, yet resistance is NOT futile!!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 6, 2009 7:39 AM
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why do you think so many Corp Whore Poltiicians are also affilated with the Religious Right.By blocking Reproductive rights and perpetuating ONLY abstinence only Education, they are assuring an endless supply of cheap labor. flood the market with not only unfettered births, but then kneecap the economy to assure less Workers exit the system through natural Atrition.
The Corps intentionally Conned the 'Pro Life' movement- continue to filter money to their cause- It guarantees a heavy 'supply side' of future labor.
'Trickle Down' not only had a long history or failure, but also an American History of out right rejection. Our ancestors rejected it when they got on those first boats, waged a Revolutionary War and then a Civil War to end such Feudal cast systems. It was just as advantageous to encourage the old time Serfs to be 'frutiful and multiple' as it was the Slaves.One dies you have a dozen more to take his place- and desperately competing for that One spot. This is why they have not given a damn about Healthcare reform either.Assuring Humanity remians a 'Dime a Dozen'...disposable Batteries. This isn't just a Treasonous agenda, It's the most heinous crime against Humanity.
This economic collapse has a silver lining- it's shattered the facade constructed by these Brick & Mortar entities. People all around the World are realizing those 'tin hats'who've been screaming the lyrics of Pink Floyds 'Welcome to the Machine' for the last few decades have been right all along.
Gov't, Industry, Religion and Media are mere Creation of Humanity- tools which have run amok.It's not th ethe tools are bad- or no longer needed- we just need to regain our grip on them- they've been running without the craftmen's skilled hands for far too long.If Gov't does not act within the Common good, It industry does not provide a real market, If Religion no longer provides peace and Media doe not inform...Then they have become not only counterproductive, but dangerous- They are then the Four Horseman we have been warned about.They pertpetuate Injustice, War, plague, pestulence, famine.Glaring Example of these Riders- Pundantry which put a Religious spin on the Blood for Oil Wars only aided in the corp & Gov't efforts to negate any efforts to curb global warming and it's multfaceted effects on Humanity.
So what is these Entities Archilles Heel- We don't need them to survive or thrive. The same is not true for them.
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Posted by: nismx on Apr 6, 2009 7:38 AM
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or try to find the score to some game, or some other programmed meaningless quest. Besides it doesn't effect them, and it won't make any difference if we have steak tonight. We can't help it if they have to cut down a few more forrest and consume most of our already scarce water. And if we have to invade a few countries at least we can have gas for our SUV's. In less it's on TV it doesn't effect us. Besides we have to know who made entertainer of the year. And all the people our gov. had to kill was necessary for the greater good.. meaning PROFIT of course As nothing else matters... to Corporations.
...I have a solution: Any Corporation that does or sells anything that harms or corrupts should be dissolved and all assets divided among people making less than say so much a year with families. Now the law reads a corporation has to make a profit " no matter what.
Anyway; This is one of the best articles I have read in a long time.
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Posted by: WesternNY on Apr 6, 2009 7:40 AM
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The most amazing aspect was to realize how much of what I "knew" were images from TV. I "knew" the fifites (I was born in 1958) because of "Leave it to Beaver," etc.
After time, the images implanted by way to TV come to seem hokey and the world around me, the people I interact, with more real. It is truly amazing.
Besides, the best part is NOT being subjected to the commercials anymore.
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“Maximum profitability for a corporate based state.” How does it benefit me to accumulate the treasures of the dimension of the flush? “It seems like just the way things are. Just modern American reality. Which is a corporate generated reality. The corporation now animates us from within our very selves through management of the need hierarchy in goods and information.” You sold your soul at the company store and now you whine because you gave up your God given free will.
“It's still part of the financialization of consciousness. This financialization of our consciousness under American style capitalism has become all we know.” Man does not live by bread alone, don’t you know that.
“Americans believe they are unique individuals, significantly different from every other person around them.” We are all created in the image of the creator; we are all the children of God. We are the creators of souls not the creators of wealth.
“That we have a choice is damned good news.” What, you want to buy back your free will?
We have no universal free health care, but we do have the ability by the sweat of our brow to heal the sick, ain’t that a miracle?
I could go on and on, but you should come and live with us revolutionaries right here in America for a while. We exist in the world you describe but we do not live there. How is that for a transcendent hallucination or hologram? Welcome to the revolution of 2012.
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If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.
Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.
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Posted by: Quasar on Apr 6, 2009 10:56 AM
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It is no accident that our current crisis was brought about by peple living in and believing in "the Bubble", because that is precisely what happened.
The difference among dreamers is this: Magic mushrooms for a frat boy in the midwest is "a mind fuck" but for Casteneda's Yaqui indian it is a vision quest to the parallel world.
Drive your car on deslotae road to nowhere until the gas runs out. When you step outside the first thing you will sense after the silence will be the whisper of the parallel world in all it's nastiness, and power and wonder.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 6, 2009 12:14 PM
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I am a fan of Emerson. His transcendentalists were like the 60s hippies who believed in the life of the aesthete. How can one argue with those who believe that it is good to be good?
"Meaning" has no significance until it is bonded with "of what." I don't want a life that is meaningful if what it is full of is simply the dictionary meanings of words or the meaning of nonsense.
"Value" has no significance until likewise, as it is a comparative--more or less than what?
So thanks for making us uncomfortable, because, again following Emerson, to paraphrase "Most of us want to be comfortable when what we need most is to be uncomfortable." (Try that on an audience of psychologists who peddle comfort for a living.)
When you've been mystified by one mythology, it is possible that you become such a phony that you cannot even see for yourself. Ever hear of the "mote in the eye"?
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The red pill or the blue pill? In the words of Dostoevsky "the dreadful has already happened". We are already plugged into the Universe, there is no escape from the gaping maw that is Infinity. Our desperate need for control - over the uncontrollable - drives us to construct an artificial reality in which securities are stock-in-trade and futures can be bought and sold...
The first three steps of the 12 Step Program were the forerunners of "turn on, tune in, drop out". Sobriety is all about Letting Go. Most of us are still clinging desperately to appearances, to our position in society, to a tree root on the muddy bank of a rushing river. Most of us have not hit "bottom" - yet.
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Posted by: Steve from upstate on Apr 6, 2009 8:38 PM
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Posted by: A. Servant on Apr 8, 2009 12:12 AM
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Step 3: Made a decision to turn our will and our lives away from the care of the slave masters.
Step 6: Were entirely ready to be free of the matrix.
Read all the Steps of Slaves Anonymous
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:58 AM
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The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.
NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.
MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
the latest??? FILMAKER MICHALE MOORE even made a propaganda 'feature film' claiming that Cuba's socialized healthcare is better than America's and that USA should imitate Cuba.
HOWEVER the reality is far different.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it??? here's what NORMAN THOMAS one of co-founder's of ACLU says about USA quote-- Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
SEE the national center for public policy research, american center for law and justice and familysecuritymatters.org
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 12:03 PM
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MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
the latest??? FILMAKER MICHALE MOORE even made a propaganda 'feature film' claiming that Cuba's socialized healthcare is better than America's and that USA should imitate Cuba.
HOWEVER the reality is far different. IN CUBA people are forced to BEG for allergy/asthma inhalers and aspirin.
what they were hiding is that if America allows themselves to be bamboozled into SOCIALISTIC HEALTHCARE you can be DEMS will make sure WE ARE WORSE OFF THAN CUBA.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it??? here's what NORMAN THOMAS one of co-founder's of ACLU says about USA quote-- Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
go see how to make it happen SEE the national center for public policy research
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 10, 2009 9:26 AM
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Bageant stops just short, however, of mentioning Operation MOCKINGBIRD, the CIA program begun in the fifties (conceived, actually, in the forties) and intended to do just what has happened to our media and national culture.
I don't think the effects of MOCKINGBIRD can be reduced. The proles in Orwell's 1984, didn't succeed in freeing themselves, either, you know.
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