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Brain-Dead Economic Reporting: If Wall Street Approves of Obama's Plan, It Must Be a Winner!
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Our press corps has discovered an important scoop: Rich people approve of using taxpayer money to help rich people.
Immediately after the Obama administration unveiled its cunning plan to help the titans of Wall Street avoid the hit that should result from their bad decisions, members of our national press corps fanned out across the land to ask investment bankers, hedge-fund managers and stock traders whether Obama's plan went far enough in lining their pockets with taxpayer cash.
Setting the tone for the rest of our media, CNBC dutifully dubbed President Barack Obama's plan a potential "game-changer" because it got a big thumbs-up from people like Quincy Krosby, the chief investment strategist at the Hartford Financial Services Group. Krosby said that the investment community's response to the plan will likely be "positive," although she cautioned that the government would have to provide "written guarantees" that it wouldn't do anything silly -- such as, say, heavily taxing the undeserved bonuses of executives living on corporate welfare.
Politico's Eamon Javers similarly declared that Geithner had "cleared the bar" with his new bailout scheme because it had received an "important endorsement from the Financial Services Roundtable," which deemed the government's plan to help Big Finance artificially inflate toxic assets above their market value a home run. Who would have thought? Similarly, Javers discovered that the CEO of a hedge-fund trade group -- whose members stand to make a killing by using government cash to subsidize and insure their purchase of the assets -- also thought the plan was a swell idea.
There was some trouble in paradise, however, as Javers also reported that a few members of the investment community opposed the plan because it didn't do enough to benefit the banks. Patriarch Partners CEO Lynn Tilton told Javers that while she was pleased to see the government willing to pay the banks cash for their worthless assets, she was worried that banks would not "share in the upside" if their worthless assets ever somehow regained their value.
Elsewhere in Media World: Fox Business reported that Geithner's plan to bribe investors to purchase trash had "removed a huge cloud of uncertainty hanging over Wall Street" by offering "clarity over how the government will help banks get rid of up to $1 trillion of their toxic assets." Reuters, meanwhile, boasted an "exclusive" interview with Bill Gross, the founder and co-chief investment officer of the PIMCO bond fund, who called the Geithner plan "perhaps the first win-win-win policy to be put on the table" and said that his company was "intrigued by the potential double-digit returns as well as the opportunity to share them with not only clients but the American taxpayer." And CNBC analyst Marc Chandler said that there was "a sense of relief" that private assets managers who bought toxic assets "will not face the compensation limits of other Fed programs."
In case you haven't noticed, there's a common thread throughout all of this coverage, which is that Geithner's plan cannot be successful unless it wins the enthusiastic endorsement of the very rich people who drove the broader economy into the ground in the first place. Our press corps' primary gauge of measuring rich peoples' happiness is the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which it uses as a general substitute for actual economic statistics.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 25, 2009 12:11 AM
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Geithner and Summers have now announced their plan to raid the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and Federal Reserve (Fed) to subsidize investors to buy toxic assets from the banks at inflated prices. If carried out, the result will be a massive transfer of wealth -- of perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars -- to bank shareholders from the taxpayers (who will absorb losses at the FDIC and Fed). Soaring bank share prices on the morning of the announcement, and in the week of leaks and hints that preceded it, are an indication of the mass bailout at work.
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The Geithner Plan: Billions More for Failed Banks
The last-ditch effort to save Wall Street will hurt taxpayers and still require another big bailout down the line
by Dean Baker
Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner's latest bank bailout plan is another Rube Goldberg contraption intended to funnel taxpayer dollars to bankrupt banks, without being overly transparent about the process. The main mechanism is a government guarantee that would allow investors to buy junk with a 12-to-1 leverage ratio, where they only risk the downside on their own investment, not the borrowed money.
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Geithner Plan Will Rob US Taxpayers
Joseph Stiglitz interviewed By Reuters
March 24, 2009 "Reuters" -- The U.S. government plan to rid banks of toxic assets will rob American taxpayers by exposing them to too much risk and is unlikely to work as long as the economy remains weak, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said on Tuesday.
"The Geithner plan is very badly flawed," Stiglitz told Reuters in an interview during a Credit Suisse Asian Investment Conference in Hong Kong.
U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's plan to wipe up to US$1 trillion in bad debt off banks' balance sheets, unveiled on Monday, offered "perverse incentives", Stiglitz said.
The U.S. government is basically using the taxpayer to guarantee against downside risk on the value of these assets, while giving the upside, or potential profits, to private investors, he said.
"Quite frankly, this amounts to robbery of the American people. I don't think it's going to work because I think there'll be a lot of anger about putting the losses so much on the shoulder of the American taxpayer."
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And you can add Yves Smith, Paul Krugman and many others ...
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» From the authors website: Stat of the Week
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 25, 2009 12:35 AM
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Had Obama wanted Krugman as his Secretary of the Treasury, I expect he would have asked him. What we may be learning is why he wasn't asked.
No, that doesn't mean that Geithner's plan will work. It also doesn't mean that it won't work. But it looks as though more than a few are willing to give it a try.
This is not some verbal game, so it's time to begin a list, so that when it is time to evaluate the plan, we will recall who supported it and who didn't. Krugman and Limbaugh do not. Only time will tell.
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» RE: Anyone who claims to offer a guarantee is a fake. ~ This post is BS
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» RE: Anyone who claims to offer a guarantee is a fake. ~ This post is BS
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» This article is full of "evidence or testimony to the contrary"
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» RE: Anyone who claims to offer a guarantee is a fake.
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» RE: Anyone who claims to offer a guarantee is a fake.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 25, 2009 12:45 AM
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Posted by: warrior woman on Mar 25, 2009 2:08 AM
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The plan ensures that we will see more back door tax policies that will increase property taxes, sales taxes, "fees" and the like. In addition, there will be little money to fund our public schools much less health care.
There's more at work on health insurance too, please see:http://forums.slickdeals.net/
showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1260163
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WASHINGTON – The health insurance industry offered Tuesday for the first time to curb its controversial practice of charging higher premiums to people with a history of medical problems.
Insurers are trying to head off the creation of a government insurance plan that would compete with them, something that liberals and many Democrats are pressing for. To try to win political support, the industry has already made a number of concessions. Last year, for example, insurers offered to end the practice of denying coverage to sick people. They also said they would support a national goal of restraining cost increases."
So who cares if we're offered coverage without a rating if we don't make enough on a gross salary basis to cover the premium? WTF?
1984 didn't quite get it right. You couldn't write a story this diabolical because it's just unfathomable.
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» RE: The back door
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» The back door,,,is nationalization.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 25, 2009 3:05 AM
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In a just world, the reporters and CEOs of our major news corporations would be on trial for inciting the populace to violence, in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion.
As the political right has gradually seized control of our media, its IQ has plummeted just as inexorably. The media now exists solely to weaken the left, and is hopelessly stupid and to the right of the populace. They are most notable for what they do not report (i.e., most Republican scandals or the accomplishments of any Democrat), and when they report it, they get it wrong. That's why they've been losing their audience for years.
WARNING: News filtered through right-wing mind is distinctly toxic.
To relieve gastric distress and preserve emotional well-being, I recommend a complete fast from the corporate media. Everyone thinks they can filter out the bad stuff, but they can't. You will feel better, and you'll be far less confused about what's going on. :)
Enter Mr. Logan's Magic Book
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Mar 25, 2009 3:29 AM
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"But what if these assumptions are wrong? What if the toxic assets on the bank's balance sheets really are just piles of trash consumed by underwater mortgages that will never be worth anything approaching their original value?"
The assumptions are Wall Street and MSM lies.
They are dead wrong. All of them. Subprime is the tip of the cesspit. It is derivatives that Wall Street is holding over Washington. These toxic derivatives "assets" are not "assets" at all. They are the dead remains of Ponzi profit taking that Wall Street enriched itself with over the last decade and more. The $700 TRILLION plus dollars worth of derivatives debt under a private Ponzi trap "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) that promoted this trickery under Greenspan and Bernanke are over ten times the value of all the planet's GDP and assets combined.
Welcome to Fascism. For that is what "too big to fail" means. Fascism paid for by gullible Americans.
Tim Geithner is a member of the international G30 (Group of 30) along with Paul Volker, Paul Krugman and others including ex-member Sir "Bubbles" Allan Greenspan. The G30 created, rigged and sponsored by the Rockefeller Foundation in 1978 was built to help change the role of central banks, financial institutions, etc.
How successful has the G30 and "Federal Reserve" Corp been? Anything but a success for the rank and file. For the people that own the banks that rig the "FED" with the G30, the World Bank, IMF, and Bank for International Settlements, these little international clubs are cash cows that never stop feeding what amounts to a parasite criminal ruling class.
Organized Corporate Crime never had it so good.
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» Group of 30
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» yes, Perry, "parasite criminal ruling class" is spot on!
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» RE: yes, Perry, "parasite criminal ruling class" is spot on!
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» RE: yes, Perry, "parasite criminal ruling class" is spot on!
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» Why would anyone believe anything you write?
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 25, 2009 3:46 AM
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» Spot on. Thanks for adding this fact.
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» If Main Street were united rather than divided, Wall Street would be tame by now.
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» RE: Sorry, but Main Street is still hooked to the "Greed is Good" mantra.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 25, 2009 4:52 AM
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Posted by: SteveO on Mar 25, 2009 5:01 AM
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Posted by: we_need_Abe on Mar 25, 2009 5:31 AM
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It's too bad we can't go to their bosses to get some changes made because their bosses are the same. The only recourse the general public has is to convince people to STOP watching, listening or reading the MSM. Spread the word.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 25, 2009 6:40 AM
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It all looked scripted.
I've never been so disappointed in any politician.
Couldn't help noticing that Obama the Shill still has his hatchet raised over the "entitlements". I suppose it's no longer a question of who is and who isn't entitled in this country.
Sorry, but in my opinion, he who could have been the greatest leader our country ever knew, has shown himself to be an asswipe in the CEOs' executive toilet.
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» "Let's start a new party..."
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» I voted third party, Dockboy.
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» Very well stated Bliss Doubt. Whoever gave you a poor rating needs to be punished.
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» RE: JenniferBedingfield was correct, Main Streeters resigned to Wall Street way too long
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» RE: Very well stated Bliss Doubt. Whoever gave you a poor rating needs to be punished.
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Posted by: sawdust on Mar 25, 2009 6:44 AM
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Geithner is a traditional banker, locked in traditional thinking.
As long as all of the bankers have all of the money,and remain fat and happy,the rest of us can die and no one will notice. As Rush says, "Bend over and grab your ankles".
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Posted by: dockboy on Mar 25, 2009 7:08 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 25, 2009 7:58 AM
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 25, 2009 9:00 AM
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If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.
Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Mar 25, 2009 7:05 AM
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I found this disturbing sentence "The Administration should be transparent in making clear thatthere is STILL a wealth transfer taking place here-from taxpayers to invesrtors and banks " AND is if THAT were not enough later on the article aks "what if removing toxic assets from a banks balance sheet at near market prices shows that IT effectively is INSOLVENT ? We may have to start asking the question WHY keep insolvent banks afloat " .
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Posted by: RickW on Mar 25, 2009 7:20 AM
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This principle has been at work since before 1776 (the revolution was a direct outcrop of the pursuit of this), and has culminated in such a massive accumulation of wealth in so few hands, that it has come to be meaningless.
And we are expected to believe that "more of the same" will get us out of the hole that "more of the same" dug in the first place.
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» on the principle of "the rich get richer" ??? I beg to differ sir.
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» RE: I beg to differ sir. Oh, but it was.
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» RE: I beg to differ sir. Oh, but it was.
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» RE: I beg to differ sir. Oh, but it was. $$$$$$
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» RE: I beg to differ sir. Oh, but it was.
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» Bliss. You've got my vote
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» Bliss Doubt, empire is not inevitable--far from it!
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» The Federalists vs. Thomas Paine
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Posted by: melpol on Mar 25, 2009 7:49 AM
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Posted by: asburykat on Mar 25, 2009 9:04 AM
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Many of these having been passing in recent years, and many more have come very close. Naturally, the board of directors recommends a NO vote, but their interest do not necessarily coincide with the stockholders or the public at large.
If your stocks are holdings in a mutual fund, you can contact that company and find out how they vote their proxies.
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Posted by: gailkate on Mar 25, 2009 9:17 AM
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If you don't like Obama's plan, what do you think should be done? Specifically, with a realistic appraisal of all the ramifications? Krugman suggested nothing in his column except nationalizing the banks - which in a way this plan does thru the back door. It's the only way they could get it done, but you can see where they're headed.
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» NATIONALIZE AND REGULATE
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Posted by: LillianB on Mar 25, 2009 10:45 AM
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HR 1388 is set to be passed Today and section 6041 includes Mandatory consideration. This is Not the kindly sounding bill but behind the scenes recruitment for Obama's National civilian corps with a $ 6 Billion budget over 5 years.
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» Free US from zionist criminals
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Posted by: tomgreen on Mar 25, 2009 11:45 AM
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Personal finance blog
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 25, 2009 12:15 PM
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One goverment/One currency:9/11, Iraq/Afg theft, Global depression.
Improve your quality of life, pull the plug on all media, they Lie in your face, its their job.
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Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on Mar 25, 2009 12:22 PM
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Posted by: corey on Mar 25, 2009 12:56 PM
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Ofcourse to them, "Socialism" is a bad thing, when it comes to people who could benefit from it.
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Posted by: willymack on Mar 25, 2009 3:53 PM
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Posted by: frank69 on Mar 25, 2009 4:15 PM
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The bastards should be arrested!
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Posted by: foxxx on Mar 25, 2009 4:57 PM
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Posted by: cbishopp on Mar 25, 2009 7:39 PM
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Those in charge are struggling to save themselves and their egregious wealth not you.
Let's not save this country let's change it. Let's socialize profit not just debt.
Anytime the subject of socialized medicine comes up a great fury is raised as socialism is the antithesis of all that is good and American. I did not hear that same call from those same bastards when the government chose to socialize their loss.
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Posted by: cori on Mar 25, 2009 10:06 PM
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In the face of a national crisis, while our nations population is struggling to survive, extravgant defense spending is putting people’s survival on the back burner.
While we were fussing over millions for AIG the military is getting 556 billion of our tax dollars. You better get on the phone and give them an ear full becuse this is not what we voted for.
Congresses proposal fully funds Obama's $556 billion for defense spending and would budget $130 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
WHERE IS HEALTHCARE REFORM? WHERE ARE AFFORDABLE COLLEGES? WHERE ARE SAFETY NEST FOR PEOPLE. WHERE IS THE SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM.
YOU GUYS IN CONGRESS ARE ROBBING US.
TOO MUCH FOR MILITARY SPENDING AND NOT ENOUGH FOR THE PEOPLE. THESE ARE OUR TAX DOLLARS. OR DON'T YOU GIVE A DAMN.
This is not what we voted for and will be posted on the internet.
We voted for change and this is business as usual
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Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 25, 2009 10:34 PM
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Posted by: Frustrated Farmer on Mar 26, 2009 5:12 PM
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Posted by: Defenestrator on Mar 27, 2009 11:29 AM
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When a company lays off 10,000 workers, its stock goes up. If that signals that it is good for "the economy" then we should be asking: whose economy are we talking about?
Jim Hightower said it very pithily: we need a Doug Jones Industrial Average. Ol' Doug down the street: how is HIS economy doing?
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 29, 2009 9:36 AM
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Obama's plan will cost them $10 billion in extra taxes on the income they allocated to charitable donations. How can the president be so glibly certain that they will not curtail their charitable contributions by a like amount or even more?
Imagine all the harm Obama's program will cause. Churches will be hit most hard. They account for the largest share of charitable donations, but universities, disease research, hospitals, soup kitchens, and cultural institutions will also be hard hit. So will international relief efforts that funnel aid abroad through churches or directly.
It is totally dishonest for Obama to pretend that his curtailment of these deductions won't hurt the poor. It will most directly impact them since most of the charities Obama is hurting focus on helping the impoverished.
This proposal is not about saving money. It is about controlling it. By, in effect, transferring at least $11 billion a year from private philanthropy to government spending, Obama empowers the public sector at the expense of the voluntary one.
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REALITY IS NEVER AN OPTION...what a dangerous dufus.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 25, 2009 12:11 AM
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Geithner and Summers have now announced their plan to raid the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and Federal Reserve (Fed) to subsidize investors to buy toxic assets from the banks at inflated prices. If carried out, the result will be a massive transfer of wealth -- of perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars -- to bank shareholders from the taxpayers (who will absorb losses at the FDIC and Fed). Soaring bank share prices on the morning of the announcement, and in the week of leaks and hints that preceded it, are an indication of the mass bailout at work.
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The Geithner Plan: Billions More for Failed Banks
The last-ditch effort to save Wall Street will hurt taxpayers and still require another big bailout down the line
by Dean Baker
Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner's latest bank bailout plan is another Rube Goldberg contraption intended to funnel taxpayer dollars to bankrupt banks, without being overly transparent about the process. The main mechanism is a government guarantee that would allow investors to buy junk with a 12-to-1 leverage ratio, where they only risk the downside on their own investment, not the borrowed money.
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Geithner Plan Will Rob US Taxpayers
Joseph Stiglitz interviewed By Reuters
March 24, 2009 "Reuters" -- The U.S. government plan to rid banks of toxic assets will rob American taxpayers by exposing them to too much risk and is unlikely to work as long as the economy remains weak, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said on Tuesday.
"The Geithner plan is very badly flawed," Stiglitz told Reuters in an interview during a Credit Suisse Asian Investment Conference in Hong Kong.
U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's plan to wipe up to US$1 trillion in bad debt off banks' balance sheets, unveiled on Monday, offered "perverse incentives", Stiglitz said.
The U.S. government is basically using the taxpayer to guarantee against downside risk on the value of these assets, while giving the upside, or potential profits, to private investors, he said.
"Quite frankly, this amounts to robbery of the American people. I don't think it's going to work because I think there'll be a lot of anger about putting the losses so much on the shoulder of the American taxpayer."
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And you can add Yves Smith, Paul Krugman and many others ...
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» RE: Joseph Stiglitz, Dean Baker, Jeffrey Sachs: The Geithner Plan Is Tax Payer Robbery
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» From the authors website: Stat of the Week
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 25, 2009 12:35 AM
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Had Obama wanted Krugman as his Secretary of the Treasury, I expect he would have asked him. What we may be learning is why he wasn't asked.
No, that doesn't mean that Geithner's plan will work. It also doesn't mean that it won't work. But it looks as though more than a few are willing to give it a try.
This is not some verbal game, so it's time to begin a list, so that when it is time to evaluate the plan, we will recall who supported it and who didn't. Krugman and Limbaugh do not. Only time will tell.
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Posted by: warrior woman on Mar 25, 2009 2:08 AM
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The plan ensures that we will see more back door tax policies that will increase property taxes, sales taxes, "fees" and the like. In addition, there will be little money to fund our public schools much less health care.
There's more at work on health insurance too, please see:http://forums.slickdeals.net/
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WASHINGTON – The health insurance industry offered Tuesday for the first time to curb its controversial practice of charging higher premiums to people with a history of medical problems.
Insurers are trying to head off the creation of a government insurance plan that would compete with them, something that liberals and many Democrats are pressing for. To try to win political support, the industry has already made a number of concessions. Last year, for example, insurers offered to end the practice of denying coverage to sick people. They also said they would support a national goal of restraining cost increases."
So who cares if we're offered coverage without a rating if we don't make enough on a gross salary basis to cover the premium? WTF?
1984 didn't quite get it right. You couldn't write a story this diabolical because it's just unfathomable.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 25, 2009 3:05 AM
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In a just world, the reporters and CEOs of our major news corporations would be on trial for inciting the populace to violence, in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion.
As the political right has gradually seized control of our media, its IQ has plummeted just as inexorably. The media now exists solely to weaken the left, and is hopelessly stupid and to the right of the populace. They are most notable for what they do not report (i.e., most Republican scandals or the accomplishments of any Democrat), and when they report it, they get it wrong. That's why they've been losing their audience for years.
WARNING: News filtered through right-wing mind is distinctly toxic.
To relieve gastric distress and preserve emotional well-being, I recommend a complete fast from the corporate media. Everyone thinks they can filter out the bad stuff, but they can't. You will feel better, and you'll be far less confused about what's going on. :)
Enter Mr. Logan's Magic Book
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Mar 25, 2009 3:29 AM
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"But what if these assumptions are wrong? What if the toxic assets on the bank's balance sheets really are just piles of trash consumed by underwater mortgages that will never be worth anything approaching their original value?"
The assumptions are Wall Street and MSM lies.
They are dead wrong. All of them. Subprime is the tip of the cesspit. It is derivatives that Wall Street is holding over Washington. These toxic derivatives "assets" are not "assets" at all. They are the dead remains of Ponzi profit taking that Wall Street enriched itself with over the last decade and more. The $700 TRILLION plus dollars worth of derivatives debt under a private Ponzi trap "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) that promoted this trickery under Greenspan and Bernanke are over ten times the value of all the planet's GDP and assets combined.
Welcome to Fascism. For that is what "too big to fail" means. Fascism paid for by gullible Americans.
Tim Geithner is a member of the international G30 (Group of 30) along with Paul Volker, Paul Krugman and others including ex-member Sir "Bubbles" Allan Greenspan. The G30 created, rigged and sponsored by the Rockefeller Foundation in 1978 was built to help change the role of central banks, financial institutions, etc.
How successful has the G30 and "Federal Reserve" Corp been? Anything but a success for the rank and file. For the people that own the banks that rig the "FED" with the G30, the World Bank, IMF, and Bank for International Settlements, these little international clubs are cash cows that never stop feeding what amounts to a parasite criminal ruling class.
Organized Corporate Crime never had it so good.
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Posted by: we_need_Abe on Mar 25, 2009 5:31 AM
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It's too bad we can't go to their bosses to get some changes made because their bosses are the same. The only recourse the general public has is to convince people to STOP watching, listening or reading the MSM. Spread the word.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 25, 2009 6:40 AM
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It all looked scripted.
I've never been so disappointed in any politician.
Couldn't help noticing that Obama the Shill still has his hatchet raised over the "entitlements". I suppose it's no longer a question of who is and who isn't entitled in this country.
Sorry, but in my opinion, he who could have been the greatest leader our country ever knew, has shown himself to be an asswipe in the CEOs' executive toilet.
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Posted by: sawdust on Mar 25, 2009 6:44 AM
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Geithner is a traditional banker, locked in traditional thinking.
As long as all of the bankers have all of the money,and remain fat and happy,the rest of us can die and no one will notice. As Rush says, "Bend over and grab your ankles".
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If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.
Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.
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I found this disturbing sentence "The Administration should be transparent in making clear thatthere is STILL a wealth transfer taking place here-from taxpayers to invesrtors and banks " AND is if THAT were not enough later on the article aks "what if removing toxic assets from a banks balance sheet at near market prices shows that IT effectively is INSOLVENT ? We may have to start asking the question WHY keep insolvent banks afloat " .
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This principle has been at work since before 1776 (the revolution was a direct outcrop of the pursuit of this), and has culminated in such a massive accumulation of wealth in so few hands, that it has come to be meaningless.
And we are expected to believe that "more of the same" will get us out of the hole that "more of the same" dug in the first place.
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Many of these having been passing in recent years, and many more have come very close. Naturally, the board of directors recommends a NO vote, but their interest do not necessarily coincide with the stockholders or the public at large.
If your stocks are holdings in a mutual fund, you can contact that company and find out how they vote their proxies.
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Posted by: gailkate on Mar 25, 2009 9:17 AM
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If you don't like Obama's plan, what do you think should be done? Specifically, with a realistic appraisal of all the ramifications? Krugman suggested nothing in his column except nationalizing the banks - which in a way this plan does thru the back door. It's the only way they could get it done, but you can see where they're headed.
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Posted by: LillianB on Mar 25, 2009 10:45 AM
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HR 1388 is set to be passed Today and section 6041 includes Mandatory consideration. This is Not the kindly sounding bill but behind the scenes recruitment for Obama's National civilian corps with a $ 6 Billion budget over 5 years.
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Personal finance blog
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 25, 2009 12:15 PM
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One goverment/One currency:9/11, Iraq/Afg theft, Global depression.
Improve your quality of life, pull the plug on all media, they Lie in your face, its their job.
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Posted by: corey on Mar 25, 2009 12:56 PM
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Ofcourse to them, "Socialism" is a bad thing, when it comes to people who could benefit from it.
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Posted by: frank69 on Mar 25, 2009 4:15 PM
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The bastards should be arrested!
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Posted by: cbishopp on Mar 25, 2009 7:39 PM
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Those in charge are struggling to save themselves and their egregious wealth not you.
Let's not save this country let's change it. Let's socialize profit not just debt.
Anytime the subject of socialized medicine comes up a great fury is raised as socialism is the antithesis of all that is good and American. I did not hear that same call from those same bastards when the government chose to socialize their loss.
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Posted by: cori on Mar 25, 2009 10:06 PM
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In the face of a national crisis, while our nations population is struggling to survive, extravgant defense spending is putting people’s survival on the back burner.
While we were fussing over millions for AIG the military is getting 556 billion of our tax dollars. You better get on the phone and give them an ear full becuse this is not what we voted for.
Congresses proposal fully funds Obama's $556 billion for defense spending and would budget $130 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
WHERE IS HEALTHCARE REFORM? WHERE ARE AFFORDABLE COLLEGES? WHERE ARE SAFETY NEST FOR PEOPLE. WHERE IS THE SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM.
YOU GUYS IN CONGRESS ARE ROBBING US.
TOO MUCH FOR MILITARY SPENDING AND NOT ENOUGH FOR THE PEOPLE. THESE ARE OUR TAX DOLLARS. OR DON'T YOU GIVE A DAMN.
This is not what we voted for and will be posted on the internet.
We voted for change and this is business as usual
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Posted by: Defenestrator on Mar 27, 2009 11:29 AM
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When a company lays off 10,000 workers, its stock goes up. If that signals that it is good for "the economy" then we should be asking: whose economy are we talking about?
Jim Hightower said it very pithily: we need a Doug Jones Industrial Average. Ol' Doug down the street: how is HIS economy doing?
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 29, 2009 9:36 AM
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Obama's plan will cost them $10 billion in extra taxes on the income they allocated to charitable donations. How can the president be so glibly certain that they will not curtail their charitable contributions by a like amount or even more?
Imagine all the harm Obama's program will cause. Churches will be hit most hard. They account for the largest share of charitable donations, but universities, disease research, hospitals, soup kitchens, and cultural institutions will also be hard hit. So will international relief efforts that funnel aid abroad through churches or directly.
It is totally dishonest for Obama to pretend that his curtailment of these deductions won't hurt the poor. It will most directly impact them since most of the charities Obama is hurting focus on helping the impoverished.
This proposal is not about saving money. It is about controlling it. By, in effect, transferring at least $11 billion a year from private philanthropy to government spending, Obama empowers the public sector at the expense of the voluntary one.
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REALITY IS NEVER AN OPTION...what a dangerous dufus.
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