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The Bizarre Life and Angry Times of Bill O'Reilly
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In this context, it's surprising to find O'Reilly actually bragging that he went on assignment to the scene of the most notorious of these massacres: "When the CBS News bureau chief asked for volunteers to check out an alleged massacre in the dangerous Morazan Territory, a mountainous region bordering Nicaragua, I willingly went."
This story is a brief aside in O'Reilly's long account of all the brave things he's done in his life. El Salvador gets a couple of paragraphs, whereas his story about quarterbacking the second-string football team against the first-stringers gets four pages of tedious detail. In O'Reilly's picture of the world, that "alleged" massacre is nothing but a bar boast, another claim to alpha-male status.
Unfortunately, this was no "alleged" massacre. This was the El Mozote massacre, one of the most horrific slaughters of civilians in this hemisphere. For three days in December 1981, the U.S.-trained Atlcalatl Battalion of the El Salvadoran army surrounded the village of El Mozote and its surrounding hamlets, and raped, tortured and killed at least 1,000 villagers suspected of sympathy for the Marxist FMLN.
If O'Reilly really went to El Mozote after the massacre, he saw not an "alleged" abuse but raw "evil," if that term has any meaning at all. O'Reilly helpfully supplies a definition of evil in his catechism on terrorism: "murdering innocent women and children is the most cowardly act on earth." Of those killed at El Mozote by American proxies, the vast majority were women and children. Mark Danner's detailed account of the slaughter in the New Yorker describes the moment when some soldiers balked, briefly, at the prospect of killing all the children:
"Well, we've killed all the old men and women," one [soldier] said. "But there's still a lot of kids down there. You know, a lot of those kids are really good-looking, really cute. I wouldn't want to kill all of them. Maybe we can keep some of them, you know -- take them with us."
"What are you talking about?" another soldier answered roughly. "We have to finish everyone; you know that. That's the colonel's order. This is an operativo de tierra arrasada here" -- a scorched-earth operation -- "and we have to kill the kids as well, or we'll get it ourselves."
"Listen, I don't want to kill kids," the first soldier said.
"Look," another said. "We have orders to finish everyone, and we have to complete our orders. That's it."
At about this time, up on the hill known as El Pinalito, Capt. Salazar was shrugging off a guide's timid plea for the children's lives. "If we don't kill them now," he said angrily, "they'll just grow up to be guerrillas. We have to take care of the job now."
By any standards, even O'Reilly's, this was pure evil. O'Reilly was there. He saw it face to face. And it made no impression on him at all, for the childish, contemptible reason that this particular slaughter of women and children was committed by people on the team he happened to support. So much for the O'Reilly theory of morality. He has none, and more importantly, he doesn't want to know.
That's the key to O'Reilly and his audience: they don't want to know, they don't want to argue, they want you to shut up: "We in America waste far too much time endlessly discussing stupid stuff." When these people meet something new, they run away like the sullen cowards they are. That's the simple story of the biggest cultural collision in O'Reilly's life: the Levittown boy fascist running head-on into the '60s. O'Reilly, born in 1949, was of the generation that came of age during the most intense point of the hippie era. I was curious about how he would handle this part of his life, because I've always wondered what right-wingers did during the '60s. How did a young authoritarian dweeb like Ken Starr cope with the spectacle of Woodstock? What did the young Rush Limbaugh do after Kent State? Where was Tom Clancy during Watergate?
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Posted by: weathered on Dec 31, 2008 1:08 AM
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Pay no attention to the outside bravado, inside he's filled w/un met needs and fears. Nothing AA hasn't seen before and can't heal. Its his choice not ours. It worked for Jean Kirkpatric and countless others.
It takes lots of courage to confront our truths, upon examination their usually simple. Pride's a killer.
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Posted by: cberkland on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 AM
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Posted by: Lauren on Dec 31, 2008 3:09 AM
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We know Billo is a womanizer, maybe a very young sex slave or two for the weekend was his special payola.
A treat like that could buy your attitude about it forever. Wow, what else did he say about it? Was he ever in the military? What about dating? I am NOT going to buy his book. Somebody will have to tell me, thanks for this story. It is terrific.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 31, 2008 3:44 AM
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It might have been more interesting and productive to do a profile/analysis of his angry-white-guy demographic, as well as provide some some practical, effective ways to manage these household pests.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Dec 31, 2008 3:58 AM
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So Billo's dad wanted his son to stick with an obese prescription drug addict with marginal talent as a performing artist? Billo is proud of this? Another piece of the jigsaw fits into place!
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» wait, his dad wanted him to stick with Rush Limbaugh??? nm
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Posted by: corgyn on Dec 31, 2008 4:03 AM
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If you look to any of these 3 show as news [factual reporting] then there's your problem.
The left's problem is we don't have a popular loudmouth like Bill or Rush. Oberman & Maddow are too polite.
Bill's a product of his isolation. I am just about the same age but I grew up in a liberal college town, went to a big university and after some travel right into a liberal news weekly. I was a sort of hippie in about 1968-70, did attend some major war protests, just about everything Bill missed.
Today I own an ad agency and produce events like a women's sport show this spring followed by a lifestyle event that among others benefits NORML. Neither of which draws from Bill audience.
See Bill as entertainment and he's harmless but so many see him as a wise man.
I am most intrigued by the question posted in the article, Where were Rush, Bill, Geo. W and others when the most of us were turning on and tuning out? Or how did some members of my generation [The Who], become such assholes.
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» Too few see BOR as entertainment.
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» Stewart/Colbert are actually better...
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» Eternal revolutionaries?
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» RE: His show is entertainment mixed with commentary
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Posted by: talkville on Dec 31, 2008 4:50 AM
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Whence all this "Culture War"? Whence all this "Traditional Values"? In Gender terms, is this from Woman or is this from Man?
Bill O'Reilly, KulturKampfer.... Man? or Woman?
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» What crap you posit.
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» RE: A modest analytical question....
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» Conclusional Diagnisis of B.O'r:
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Posted by: Jack Bauer on Dec 31, 2008 5:26 AM
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However I have to comment on this:
"If I had lived in New Orleans, I would have gotten in my car and driven the hell out of there as soon as the national weather service gave warning."
Now the blissfully unaware person "analysing" this statement calls it a "non sequitur."
To those not totally familiar with the term "non sequitur" (such as the author, apparently), it means: a conclusion that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
So let's just Fisk Dolan.
He thinks it is "illogical" to flee an area where you have been given ample notice that a huge natural disaster is heading your way. And that it will KILL YOU.
Presubably Dolan believes in waiting helplessly for government action -- now there's a real non sequitur, in just two consecutive words.
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» it would seem that "non sequitur" meant he strung together two stories illogically
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Posted by: Lily H. on Dec 31, 2008 5:33 AM
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be palled around with some rough types, smoked a little pot, but kept his nose clean to please our
stepmother who adored the ground he walked on, and
appointed me (a budding hippie) the family scapegoat.
He shunned joining the military, NOT because he was
against the war, but because he didn't want to lose
his "cool" (as opposed to "hip") image, and risk the
chance of coming back scarred, etc. As it happened,
he had a high draft number which kept him out, any
way.
He partied, (like many other Repubs probably did)
listened to the cool music of the era, but absorbed
zilch of the new values the Sixties' ushered in for
its young people. Cared less about voting (don't recall who he voted for, would have heard about it
if he'd had), and nourished his social life playing
JV on our school's wrestling team (an not putting
down sports, per se, just accounting for the time
he spent as a kid) and learning how to court pretty,
well-to-do co-eds in our school to eventually motivate
him from our family's working-class strata to reach
comfortable middle-class years later.
I was the geeky kid sister who got left behind as he
rose to his zenith as a well-paid professional in the
local utility company. As the only sib in our family
who rose above it all, he made NO effort to help any
one else (except those in his inner circle, that is)
get there. What's astounding is no one called him on
it, and simply fed into the dynamics that this was
acceptable behavior.
And like Billo, our father also had "fascist tendencies", my brother picked up where our
father left off. Like Billo, he also claims he "got
there by hard work", etc., and deems anyone else
who can't, as stupid, lazy, or just too flawed.
In recent years, like so many Repubs, he has morphed
himself into a "friend of the military", cultivating
relationships with males who, unlike him, had served
in the military, becoming one of their "good old boys", so to speak. So much so, that he had brain-
washed his son into joining the Navy (as our father
did), under threat that if he (his son) failed to keep
up his grades in college, he would cut him off.
Granted, my nephew was no genius, but threatening to
cut off a potential college student with something as
onerous as that is, in my book, the epitome of evil.
My nephew is a walking time-bomb of depression, as
far as I can tell, from his father's pernicious influ-
ences, etc. His cousins, (namely, my children) have
detected this, and are also wary about his well-being.
Repubs like him and B.O., as far as I can tell, are
NOT nurturing, caring parents, but cold, calculating
reptiles, only invested in creating an image (like HE
once had) of a superficial, shallow, 2-dimensional
picture of a human being, NOT a whole, integrated,
new soul whose main purpose is to reach their potential, in all facets of life and spirit.
This concept is alien to the typical Repub dynamic.
My brother will most meet his Maker without a whisker
of a change of conscience (unless he gets a life-
threatening disease like I currently have), but I will
be watching for signs from that poor nephew who will
be starting boot camp in Great Lakes very soon.
I hope he doesn't turn into a school (or work) shooter, wife-beater (my brother ass-kisses only
women who are skinny and blonde enough for him, but
thinks of women only as backdrops for his image) or
even delve into drugs as a way of self-medicating.
I can only hope...
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Posted by: travelertoo on Dec 31, 2008 5:42 AM
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Posted by: shd1230 on Dec 31, 2008 5:59 AM
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Posted by: bizeeb on Dec 31, 2008 6:08 AM
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I know and have worked with lots of guys just like this, so in this case I really think O'reilly and Co. and just filling a niche in the already existing market. I mean, your average John Birch Society member would have LOVED these guys. The angry white male is a very real demographic in this country, and these guys are catering to and targeting precisely that audience. (Hmmm, I wonder if "Honkie the Nihilist" is an O'reilly fan?)
FoxNews, since it's inception, has targeted this audience and been very successful, showing how much of that audience is out there. Additionally, Fox's success has effected all the other "news" channels, who have (to some degree) followed Fox's lead, by moving to the right, firing people like Phil Donohue and giving shows to people like Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs. (See Greenwald's "Outfoxed" if you haven't already.)
Another poster wrote that we on the left need our own O'reilly, and that Maddow and Olberman are just too polite. But that's just it: they're polite because they're decent and caring people, and that's what we want to hear. If the left had people like these, would any of us even want to watch them? Not me.
P.S. It is informative to watch or listen to these guys now and then (if you can stomach it) just to see what the enemy is thinking. However, I would strongly recommend not trying to call in to the Limbaugh program; he doesn't play fair and you'll end up sounding stupid and feeling furious.
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» point taken...but
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» So true indeed. I've seen women too so into this insanity.
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» RE: Dobbs doesn't really fit the angry white male archetype that well
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» remember Air America
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» Not true
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» RE: Air America failed? Much harder to find it.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 31, 2008 6:34 AM
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Posted by: DreamFast on Dec 31, 2008 6:42 AM
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Ya gotta admire the expansiveness of his ASSHOLISM!!
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Posted by: ZPaul on Dec 31, 2008 7:00 AM
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I realize it is at times necessary to write about certain individuals, if for no other reason, because they have gained considerable following in the media. Hence, I understand coverage being given to this man, on this occasion.
However, I would respectfully request that as little free publicity as possible be given to the subject of this article. IMO, the subject in question hardly deserves it, and least of all from a website like Alternet.
Thank you for your attention.
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Posted by: sunnywater on Dec 31, 2008 7:02 AM
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When all he really wanted to do was boogie furiously to the Grateful Dead with wild women at the Fillmore with a head full of acid.
Maybe next time Billy.
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Posted by: TexasCowboy on Dec 31, 2008 7:03 AM
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» No doubt about it. In economic times like these, time needs to be well spent away from rightwing bs.
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Posted by: rayne on Dec 31, 2008 7:24 AM
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:)
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on Dec 31, 2008 7:53 AM
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It's starting to make sense to me. Bill Oreilly loves big government and hates anyone who resists big government. He MUST have railed against Al Qaeda and the CIA for resisting the Soviet backed government in Afghanistan. NO?? Oh, now I get it: he only likes big governments supported by the US big government.
That's really cool cuz then he doesn't have to think and more importantly he doesn't have to judge people: Judge not lest you be judged [Mathew 7:1]. And his judging homosexuals and other designated "perverts": well it's not him doing the judging but the "holy word of God". But then why doesn't he follow the "holy word of God" when it tells him to "tell the truth"? You know Bill O'Reilly is a VERY complex human being. It must be really hard to be Bill O'Reilly and keep up with all the contradictions in his life. I'm sure glad I'm not Bill O'Reilly. Why is everyone being so judgmental on Bill? Can't we all just get along?
I see now: Bill started it first. Does it really matter who started it?
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Dec 31, 2008 7:58 AM
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I especially loved the part about his novel where the main character murders all the network executives who stand in his way! Does that reveal your true feelings and intentions Billo? No wonder they give him his own show. Murder averted!
Now all you alternet readers, I have a favor to ask! Let's ban together to do a really fun thing, TAKE REVENGE against the jerk. Let's hit him where it hurts....in the EGO.
Here's how.
Quite some time back, I made a goofy You Tube video called "Humiliating Bill O'Reilly" where I asked him abut his loofah fetish. (He wanted to rub the gals he sexually harassed with loofahs) Unfortunately for our side, the video has not gotten too many views so despite my good intention, Billo remains un humiliated! Let's fix that by having everybody go to my you tube channel, watch the video and then pass it around to all other sensible people we know. I DO NOT MAKE MONEY OFF THESE VIDEOS. THIS IS FOR FUN ONLY.
So whadda ya think? Can you spare a few minutes to aid in the humiliation of one of TV's worst propaganda artists? He certainly deserves it.
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
Granny
(who is feeling particularly ornery today!)
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Posted by: wleming on Dec 31, 2008 8:17 AM
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Posted by: Auk on Dec 31, 2008 8:19 AM
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When Al Franken had his radio show on Air America, he mentioned that Bill O made this up -- Al said he's actually from a nearby, much more upscale town on LI (the name of which escapes me, I don't know LI well) and he merely claims to be from Levittown and to have more working-class roots than he really does.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Dec 31, 2008 8:23 AM
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I love that soon to be Senator Al Franken says that Bill O's roots are NOT from Levittown but from Salisberry a more affluent area . It is no wonder Bill thinks that those Stupid and Lazy poor people who drowned in Katrina should have had the foresight to just get in their cars and GO , He has no concept that they were living hand to mouth and most did not own or even have access to a car . I think that Bill is basically a blowhard and Bully and has an enormous EGO . He talks about coming under fire as if he served in the army but he NEVER did . When called on it he said that he came under fire as a reporter probably while investigating the supposed Massacure in El Salvador . Is it any wonder these people hate us
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Posted by: nikolai on Dec 31, 2008 8:46 AM
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Posted by: ProfAnarchy on Dec 31, 2008 8:47 AM
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I mean Comedy Central, with Stewart & Colbert and to even some degree David Allen Grier's recent arrival (Chocolate News) always describe their all too real, scathing, commentary as Comedy.
I am not a legal scholar yet, but when the Media got their first giveaway with the 1934 Communication's Act, did they walk away with no strings attached as to public duty and obligation to the citizens of this country?
This is much bigger than Bill O...
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 31, 2008 9:07 AM
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It's a fresh piece of something, but the word "humanity" is not exactly what comes to mind ...
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Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Dec 31, 2008 9:22 AM
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A grain of sand contributes more to the community good than he has to offer on his best day.
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Posted by: Deep on Dec 31, 2008 9:31 AM
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In a NPR interview, O'Reilly tried proclaim his upbringing was working class, and that he had a tough upbringing. That's BS. Levittown in the 1960's, was designed for white professionals. Working class whites didn't trickle out to the 'burbs until the 1970's.
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Posted by: gandolfshep on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Dec 31, 2008 10:21 AM
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When broadcasting grew after WW2, there were strict controls put in place. The government embraced broadcasting with plenty of rules and regs. Access to the public airways was considered almost sacred. Remember, there were ZERO broadcasting organizations 60 years ago.... TV was a cool new thing ripe for government intervention. And regulate they did. Created the FCC and took it seriously.
Once a year, all stations had to renew their license and submit mountains of paperwork showing that they had complied with the Fairness Doctrine and a host of other regs designed to force broadcasters to be decent.
The Fairness Doctrine said you had to give equal time to both sides of an issue. You had to prove it on paper. Stations were also required to do a minimum number of public service broadcasting, it could not be T&A 24/7. Most stations were locally owned back then and the owners cared about their local communities. The FCC had clout.
The required public service broadcasts were the boring talk shows run early Sunday morning but a general sense of fairness pervaded on all matters of content creation.
The fairness doctrine was abolished during Saint Ronald Reagan's time. The FCC was castrated due to money, politics and the other evil bugaboos that plague humankind.
Profitability declined and local owners were bought out by corporate owners. The FCC dumped rules about ownership limitations so one company could own 'em all! More power to the free markets.
All of these reasons have led to the mess we have today. There are no rules so any media outlet can say whatever they want. You have a handful of very large corporations controlling it all.
The media owners kowtow to the advertisers and do not want to piss anyone off. Covering smut and trash is easy. It gets good ratings (sometimes).
I worked in local tv video and news production since 1980. The field has changed a lot. I remember quite well the nerdy-bean counter guy grumbling about all the tiresome paperwork he had to submit by the license renewal deadline.
Today, you have the corporate owners giving a blow job to anyone with prestige or money, including any FCC "regulators" they might meet at a black tie dinner party put on by lobby interests.
No, I'm not cynical. But that is my resume.
TV news sucks for a lot of different reasons.
Newscasters like Bill O'Reilly will go down in history as more effective than Joseph Goebbels. But I bet Goebbels wasn't as big an ego maniac.
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle
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Granny
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I about fell off my chair to find out this character turned a dire warning and prediction into a compliment.
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Posted by: Liborio on Dec 31, 2008 2:22 PM
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I can't understand what is doing In TV, like
other people can't be from the public.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM
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What is REALLY the worst is that literally MILLIONS of people clue-into this guy and his poisonous and vile message.
I meet them every day out here where I live (rural Nebraska--otherwise know as Hell's back-forty). They have it blaring from the radios as they drive their F250 pickups down the streets of the dying little rural towns.
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Posted by: Longdream on Dec 31, 2008 3:07 PM
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I wage a little war on all of them-- this schmuck, Hannity, Coulter, whomever, when they write books. Whenever I see their books out there--in the bookstore, the supermarket, the tag sale--wherever, I just turn them around. I pick one up, look at it, and put it back on the shelf back-to-front.
My little action may or may not retard sales, I don't know, but what if we ALL did it?
All I know is, it makes me feel good. I feel like I'm doing my part to clean up the world by preventing, even for a short time, contraband lies from entering the minds of the unsuspecting.
Try it today!
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Posted by: Liam on Dec 31, 2008 6:01 PM
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And on top of everything he is a liar!
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Dec 31, 2008 7:06 PM
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Yes!
Problem... they're rich and powerful. Corporations, you know. *shrug* Endless stupidity is PR and propaganda. My goddess... look at George W. Bush and his cowboy image! Billo is a part of that media agenda (or corporate comfort zone, whatever *chuckle*)
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I can never get myself to read o'lielly's diatribes, though f-i-l always tries to get me to do so. "It's a good book!" I'm going to pass this review onto some of the in-laws, see if they become just a little---human.
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By Robert MacMillan - Analysis
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Connecticut lawmaker Frank Nicastro sees saving the local newspaper as his duty. But others think he and his colleagues are setting a worrisome precedent for government involvement in the U.S. press.
CRAWFISH NOTE: What happens IF the govt (your credit card) gets involved in “saving” newspapers? Does that mean any change to a (pseudo) Fairness Doctrine by liberals in 2009 must include newspapers? A “lawsuit rich” environment.
Wow, that is an interesting “can of worms” I would like to see opened…a Mallard Filmore next to every Dumbsbury toon for starters. This is not the kind of “balance-fairness-diversity” the lib media would ever embrace. They are viciously intentionally biased. Stay tuned.
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Jan 1, 2009 8:41 AM
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This much, he shares with Dubya and his neocon buddies. The problem is, Bill, that the world is neither. Acting as if the world is simple and straightforward is a prescription for disaster, as we have seen over the last eight years. The world is a very complicated and confusing place. Intentions are hidden, motives are glossed over and the Devil is indeed in the details. That's why you and your ilk keep missing your targets and killing the innocents in your way.
Perfect example: "Terrorists around the world are responsible for killing and injuring thousands of human beings. Are all terrorists evil?" According to St. Ronald of Reagan, No. As he so pithily put it, "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter." So much for his simple, straightforward worldview, and "So much for the O'Reilly theory of morality." As Mr. Dolan wrote above, "He has none, and more importantly, he doesn't want to know." Exactly.
Ultimately, Mr. O'Reilley's book is a self-promoting piece of trash, not unlike himself. His book was written to fill his wallet from the pockets of his base and as such, will succeed very well. Fair and balanced? Not a chance.
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Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Jan 1, 2009 12:45 PM
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Is he so materialistic and utilitarian that he actually sees himself, even though the word " piece" is hooked to the word "humanity", more as a " thing" than a person?
Does he relate to others as " it --- it" ? Totally moving away from the remote possibility of Martin Buber's " I ---- Thou" or even " I --- it". Is he taking his followers into the relational realm of " it--- it " ?
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Posted by: Longdream on Jan 1, 2009 6:02 PM
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We go by the main road to get across, and we see a car with, not a bumper sticker but sort of a placard in the back window which has a caricature of Barack in Muslim dress, with the caption, "Obama is a MARXIST!"
We were speechless for a moment, and then Peter said, "Religion is the opiate of the asshole," and I replied, "And Mohammed is his prophet."
The dogs didn't say anything. They would have peed up the tires, but we were across the street.
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Posted by: noalternative on Jan 1, 2009 7:10 PM
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Bill O'Reilly is a phony that benefited from New Deal programs as a baby but denies this opportunity to others.
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The so-called "hippies" never legitimized drug abuse as they imagined. It's still a moral as well as legal transgression to f**kup the human brain.
The "sixties revolution" was transparently orchestrated by self-serving cynics who convinced too many of my generation that they had no responsibility to anything but their own whims. (My, how like the current version of conservatism that sounds.) Reality: those hippies, now in their sixties, still hang around college towns - addled beyond hope like any alcoholic street bum.
O' Reilly is everything the author claims: despicable in all respects. But he's indistinguishable from any "leftist" in that they all peddle simplistic, ill-conceive & inadequate "ideologies" to those who haven't a shred of critical thinking. And they all yell "Shut up!" at those who question them for those questions unveil the evil concealed in "ideals."
So it's worth noting that a lot of responsible, clear-headed young people (who may have been "young Republicans") rode out the Sixties with legitimate concern over what was going on. O' Reilly was NOT one of us - he was just hiding under the cloak of legitimacy we provided. That's the way it should be reported in this article and any other article.
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Co-host Anderson Cooper, who spent the night playing the role of straight man to Kathy Griffin’s antics, then managed to break for commercial - although by that point, he could barely keep a straight face.
Cooper seemed to become increasingly uncomfortable with Griffin’s off-color remarks, including her request to “get a pap smear from [CNN medical reporter] Dr. Sanjay Gupta,” and her description of former CNN host Glenn Beck as a “heroin addict Mormon.”
CRAWFISH NOTE: This is a major way to find liberals…look for the raunchy insulting potty mouth…and there you go. Another testimony to the fruits of modern secular socialism…the always angry tacky public figure with no class and no realistic ideas. Thanks CNN, you did it to the culture (and viewers) again. Liberals do what liberals do.
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Posted by: ds1st on Jan 2, 2009 6:13 PM
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Let’s face it, generally if you are a liberal you may not like Bill O'Reilly and if you are conservative Bill O'Reilly is on target.
I have read all of Bill’s books and they are well written and informative. I believe his points of view are founded in fact. If you like Bill O'Reilly or not he does write a good book.
Keep up the good work Bill!
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in what is the 'preferred Truth' offered... & the signs of what is being covered up. In fact, the LIE is often more telling than a simple relation of Truths.
I suspect that if more people weren't patently afraid of that Bully, we'd hear a LOT more about him from those who could identify exactly which lies are the juiciest.
until then? ...only hearing from those whose statements we *approve or enjoy* does ourselves a disservice. If you don't listen to the raving Liars & fearfully coward bullies... you miss out on what a goodly portion of the World accepts on sheer face value.
..so you've no idea how to talk to the people who need to hear more than what contents themselves.
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“The whole Republican Party was for sale—the House, Senate and the White House,” said a well-respected federal agency official with impeccable credentials who declined to be named but who is familiar with testimony and sources close to the grand jury probing Jack Abramoff.
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Posted by: weathered on Dec 31, 2008 1:08 AM
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Pay no attention to the outside bravado, inside he's filled w/un met needs and fears. Nothing AA hasn't seen before and can't heal. Its his choice not ours. It worked for Jean Kirkpatric and countless others.
It takes lots of courage to confront our truths, upon examination their usually simple. Pride's a killer.
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We know Billo is a womanizer, maybe a very young sex slave or two for the weekend was his special payola.
A treat like that could buy your attitude about it forever. Wow, what else did he say about it? Was he ever in the military? What about dating? I am NOT going to buy his book. Somebody will have to tell me, thanks for this story. It is terrific.
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It might have been more interesting and productive to do a profile/analysis of his angry-white-guy demographic, as well as provide some some practical, effective ways to manage these household pests.
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So Billo's dad wanted his son to stick with an obese prescription drug addict with marginal talent as a performing artist? Billo is proud of this? Another piece of the jigsaw fits into place!
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If you look to any of these 3 show as news [factual reporting] then there's your problem.
The left's problem is we don't have a popular loudmouth like Bill or Rush. Oberman & Maddow are too polite.
Bill's a product of his isolation. I am just about the same age but I grew up in a liberal college town, went to a big university and after some travel right into a liberal news weekly. I was a sort of hippie in about 1968-70, did attend some major war protests, just about everything Bill missed.
Today I own an ad agency and produce events like a women's sport show this spring followed by a lifestyle event that among others benefits NORML. Neither of which draws from Bill audience.
See Bill as entertainment and he's harmless but so many see him as a wise man.
I am most intrigued by the question posted in the article, Where were Rush, Bill, Geo. W and others when the most of us were turning on and tuning out? Or how did some members of my generation [The Who], become such assholes.
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Whence all this "Culture War"? Whence all this "Traditional Values"? In Gender terms, is this from Woman or is this from Man?
Bill O'Reilly, KulturKampfer.... Man? or Woman?
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However I have to comment on this:
"If I had lived in New Orleans, I would have gotten in my car and driven the hell out of there as soon as the national weather service gave warning."
Now the blissfully unaware person "analysing" this statement calls it a "non sequitur."
To those not totally familiar with the term "non sequitur" (such as the author, apparently), it means: a conclusion that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
So let's just Fisk Dolan.
He thinks it is "illogical" to flee an area where you have been given ample notice that a huge natural disaster is heading your way. And that it will KILL YOU.
Presubably Dolan believes in waiting helplessly for government action -- now there's a real non sequitur, in just two consecutive words.
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be palled around with some rough types, smoked a little pot, but kept his nose clean to please our
stepmother who adored the ground he walked on, and
appointed me (a budding hippie) the family scapegoat.
He shunned joining the military, NOT because he was
against the war, but because he didn't want to lose
his "cool" (as opposed to "hip") image, and risk the
chance of coming back scarred, etc. As it happened,
he had a high draft number which kept him out, any
way.
He partied, (like many other Repubs probably did)
listened to the cool music of the era, but absorbed
zilch of the new values the Sixties' ushered in for
its young people. Cared less about voting (don't recall who he voted for, would have heard about it
if he'd had), and nourished his social life playing
JV on our school's wrestling team (an not putting
down sports, per se, just accounting for the time
he spent as a kid) and learning how to court pretty,
well-to-do co-eds in our school to eventually motivate
him from our family's working-class strata to reach
comfortable middle-class years later.
I was the geeky kid sister who got left behind as he
rose to his zenith as a well-paid professional in the
local utility company. As the only sib in our family
who rose above it all, he made NO effort to help any
one else (except those in his inner circle, that is)
get there. What's astounding is no one called him on
it, and simply fed into the dynamics that this was
acceptable behavior.
And like Billo, our father also had "fascist tendencies", my brother picked up where our
father left off. Like Billo, he also claims he "got
there by hard work", etc., and deems anyone else
who can't, as stupid, lazy, or just too flawed.
In recent years, like so many Repubs, he has morphed
himself into a "friend of the military", cultivating
relationships with males who, unlike him, had served
in the military, becoming one of their "good old boys", so to speak. So much so, that he had brain-
washed his son into joining the Navy (as our father
did), under threat that if he (his son) failed to keep
up his grades in college, he would cut him off.
Granted, my nephew was no genius, but threatening to
cut off a potential college student with something as
onerous as that is, in my book, the epitome of evil.
My nephew is a walking time-bomb of depression, as
far as I can tell, from his father's pernicious influ-
ences, etc. His cousins, (namely, my children) have
detected this, and are also wary about his well-being.
Repubs like him and B.O., as far as I can tell, are
NOT nurturing, caring parents, but cold, calculating
reptiles, only invested in creating an image (like HE
once had) of a superficial, shallow, 2-dimensional
picture of a human being, NOT a whole, integrated,
new soul whose main purpose is to reach their potential, in all facets of life and spirit.
This concept is alien to the typical Repub dynamic.
My brother will most meet his Maker without a whisker
of a change of conscience (unless he gets a life-
threatening disease like I currently have), but I will
be watching for signs from that poor nephew who will
be starting boot camp in Great Lakes very soon.
I hope he doesn't turn into a school (or work) shooter, wife-beater (my brother ass-kisses only
women who are skinny and blonde enough for him, but
thinks of women only as backdrops for his image) or
even delve into drugs as a way of self-medicating.
I can only hope...
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Posted by: bizeeb on Dec 31, 2008 6:08 AM
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I know and have worked with lots of guys just like this, so in this case I really think O'reilly and Co. and just filling a niche in the already existing market. I mean, your average John Birch Society member would have LOVED these guys. The angry white male is a very real demographic in this country, and these guys are catering to and targeting precisely that audience. (Hmmm, I wonder if "Honkie the Nihilist" is an O'reilly fan?)
FoxNews, since it's inception, has targeted this audience and been very successful, showing how much of that audience is out there. Additionally, Fox's success has effected all the other "news" channels, who have (to some degree) followed Fox's lead, by moving to the right, firing people like Phil Donohue and giving shows to people like Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs. (See Greenwald's "Outfoxed" if you haven't already.)
Another poster wrote that we on the left need our own O'reilly, and that Maddow and Olberman are just too polite. But that's just it: they're polite because they're decent and caring people, and that's what we want to hear. If the left had people like these, would any of us even want to watch them? Not me.
P.S. It is informative to watch or listen to these guys now and then (if you can stomach it) just to see what the enemy is thinking. However, I would strongly recommend not trying to call in to the Limbaugh program; he doesn't play fair and you'll end up sounding stupid and feeling furious.
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» So true indeed. I've seen women too so into this insanity.
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Ya gotta admire the expansiveness of his ASSHOLISM!!
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Posted by: ZPaul on Dec 31, 2008 7:00 AM
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I realize it is at times necessary to write about certain individuals, if for no other reason, because they have gained considerable following in the media. Hence, I understand coverage being given to this man, on this occasion.
However, I would respectfully request that as little free publicity as possible be given to the subject of this article. IMO, the subject in question hardly deserves it, and least of all from a website like Alternet.
Thank you for your attention.
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Posted by: sunnywater on Dec 31, 2008 7:02 AM
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When all he really wanted to do was boogie furiously to the Grateful Dead with wild women at the Fillmore with a head full of acid.
Maybe next time Billy.
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It's starting to make sense to me. Bill Oreilly loves big government and hates anyone who resists big government. He MUST have railed against Al Qaeda and the CIA for resisting the Soviet backed government in Afghanistan. NO?? Oh, now I get it: he only likes big governments supported by the US big government.
That's really cool cuz then he doesn't have to think and more importantly he doesn't have to judge people: Judge not lest you be judged [Mathew 7:1]. And his judging homosexuals and other designated "perverts": well it's not him doing the judging but the "holy word of God". But then why doesn't he follow the "holy word of God" when it tells him to "tell the truth"? You know Bill O'Reilly is a VERY complex human being. It must be really hard to be Bill O'Reilly and keep up with all the contradictions in his life. I'm sure glad I'm not Bill O'Reilly. Why is everyone being so judgmental on Bill? Can't we all just get along?
I see now: Bill started it first. Does it really matter who started it?
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Dec 31, 2008 7:58 AM
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I especially loved the part about his novel where the main character murders all the network executives who stand in his way! Does that reveal your true feelings and intentions Billo? No wonder they give him his own show. Murder averted!
Now all you alternet readers, I have a favor to ask! Let's ban together to do a really fun thing, TAKE REVENGE against the jerk. Let's hit him where it hurts....in the EGO.
Here's how.
Quite some time back, I made a goofy You Tube video called "Humiliating Bill O'Reilly" where I asked him abut his loofah fetish. (He wanted to rub the gals he sexually harassed with loofahs) Unfortunately for our side, the video has not gotten too many views so despite my good intention, Billo remains un humiliated! Let's fix that by having everybody go to my you tube channel, watch the video and then pass it around to all other sensible people we know. I DO NOT MAKE MONEY OFF THESE VIDEOS. THIS IS FOR FUN ONLY.
So whadda ya think? Can you spare a few minutes to aid in the humiliation of one of TV's worst propaganda artists? He certainly deserves it.
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
Granny
(who is feeling particularly ornery today!)
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When Al Franken had his radio show on Air America, he mentioned that Bill O made this up -- Al said he's actually from a nearby, much more upscale town on LI (the name of which escapes me, I don't know LI well) and he merely claims to be from Levittown and to have more working-class roots than he really does.
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I love that soon to be Senator Al Franken says that Bill O's roots are NOT from Levittown but from Salisberry a more affluent area . It is no wonder Bill thinks that those Stupid and Lazy poor people who drowned in Katrina should have had the foresight to just get in their cars and GO , He has no concept that they were living hand to mouth and most did not own or even have access to a car . I think that Bill is basically a blowhard and Bully and has an enormous EGO . He talks about coming under fire as if he served in the army but he NEVER did . When called on it he said that he came under fire as a reporter probably while investigating the supposed Massacure in El Salvador . Is it any wonder these people hate us
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I mean Comedy Central, with Stewart & Colbert and to even some degree David Allen Grier's recent arrival (Chocolate News) always describe their all too real, scathing, commentary as Comedy.
I am not a legal scholar yet, but when the Media got their first giveaway with the 1934 Communication's Act, did they walk away with no strings attached as to public duty and obligation to the citizens of this country?
This is much bigger than Bill O...
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It's a fresh piece of something, but the word "humanity" is not exactly what comes to mind ...
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Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Dec 31, 2008 9:22 AM
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A grain of sand contributes more to the community good than he has to offer on his best day.
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In a NPR interview, O'Reilly tried proclaim his upbringing was working class, and that he had a tough upbringing. That's BS. Levittown in the 1960's, was designed for white professionals. Working class whites didn't trickle out to the 'burbs until the 1970's.
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Dec 31, 2008 10:21 AM
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When broadcasting grew after WW2, there were strict controls put in place. The government embraced broadcasting with plenty of rules and regs. Access to the public airways was considered almost sacred. Remember, there were ZERO broadcasting organizations 60 years ago.... TV was a cool new thing ripe for government intervention. And regulate they did. Created the FCC and took it seriously.
Once a year, all stations had to renew their license and submit mountains of paperwork showing that they had complied with the Fairness Doctrine and a host of other regs designed to force broadcasters to be decent.
The Fairness Doctrine said you had to give equal time to both sides of an issue. You had to prove it on paper. Stations were also required to do a minimum number of public service broadcasting, it could not be T&A 24/7. Most stations were locally owned back then and the owners cared about their local communities. The FCC had clout.
The required public service broadcasts were the boring talk shows run early Sunday morning but a general sense of fairness pervaded on all matters of content creation.
The fairness doctrine was abolished during Saint Ronald Reagan's time. The FCC was castrated due to money, politics and the other evil bugaboos that plague humankind.
Profitability declined and local owners were bought out by corporate owners. The FCC dumped rules about ownership limitations so one company could own 'em all! More power to the free markets.
All of these reasons have led to the mess we have today. There are no rules so any media outlet can say whatever they want. You have a handful of very large corporations controlling it all.
The media owners kowtow to the advertisers and do not want to piss anyone off. Covering smut and trash is easy. It gets good ratings (sometimes).
I worked in local tv video and news production since 1980. The field has changed a lot. I remember quite well the nerdy-bean counter guy grumbling about all the tiresome paperwork he had to submit by the license renewal deadline.
Today, you have the corporate owners giving a blow job to anyone with prestige or money, including any FCC "regulators" they might meet at a black tie dinner party put on by lobby interests.
No, I'm not cynical. But that is my resume.
TV news sucks for a lot of different reasons.
Newscasters like Bill O'Reilly will go down in history as more effective than Joseph Goebbels. But I bet Goebbels wasn't as big an ego maniac.
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle
Luv,
Granny
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I about fell off my chair to find out this character turned a dire warning and prediction into a compliment.
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I can't understand what is doing In TV, like
other people can't be from the public.
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What is REALLY the worst is that literally MILLIONS of people clue-into this guy and his poisonous and vile message.
I meet them every day out here where I live (rural Nebraska--otherwise know as Hell's back-forty). They have it blaring from the radios as they drive their F250 pickups down the streets of the dying little rural towns.
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I wage a little war on all of them-- this schmuck, Hannity, Coulter, whomever, when they write books. Whenever I see their books out there--in the bookstore, the supermarket, the tag sale--wherever, I just turn them around. I pick one up, look at it, and put it back on the shelf back-to-front.
My little action may or may not retard sales, I don't know, but what if we ALL did it?
All I know is, it makes me feel good. I feel like I'm doing my part to clean up the world by preventing, even for a short time, contraband lies from entering the minds of the unsuspecting.
Try it today!
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And on top of everything he is a liar!
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Yes!
Problem... they're rich and powerful. Corporations, you know. *shrug* Endless stupidity is PR and propaganda. My goddess... look at George W. Bush and his cowboy image! Billo is a part of that media agenda (or corporate comfort zone, whatever *chuckle*)
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I can never get myself to read o'lielly's diatribes, though f-i-l always tries to get me to do so. "It's a good book!" I'm going to pass this review onto some of the in-laws, see if they become just a little---human.
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By Robert MacMillan - Analysis
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Connecticut lawmaker Frank Nicastro sees saving the local newspaper as his duty. But others think he and his colleagues are setting a worrisome precedent for government involvement in the U.S. press.
CRAWFISH NOTE: What happens IF the govt (your credit card) gets involved in “saving” newspapers? Does that mean any change to a (pseudo) Fairness Doctrine by liberals in 2009 must include newspapers? A “lawsuit rich” environment.
Wow, that is an interesting “can of worms” I would like to see opened…a Mallard Filmore next to every Dumbsbury toon for starters. This is not the kind of “balance-fairness-diversity” the lib media would ever embrace. They are viciously intentionally biased. Stay tuned.
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Jan 1, 2009 8:41 AM
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This much, he shares with Dubya and his neocon buddies. The problem is, Bill, that the world is neither. Acting as if the world is simple and straightforward is a prescription for disaster, as we have seen over the last eight years. The world is a very complicated and confusing place. Intentions are hidden, motives are glossed over and the Devil is indeed in the details. That's why you and your ilk keep missing your targets and killing the innocents in your way.
Perfect example: "Terrorists around the world are responsible for killing and injuring thousands of human beings. Are all terrorists evil?" According to St. Ronald of Reagan, No. As he so pithily put it, "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter." So much for his simple, straightforward worldview, and "So much for the O'Reilly theory of morality." As Mr. Dolan wrote above, "He has none, and more importantly, he doesn't want to know." Exactly.
Ultimately, Mr. O'Reilley's book is a self-promoting piece of trash, not unlike himself. His book was written to fill his wallet from the pockets of his base and as such, will succeed very well. Fair and balanced? Not a chance.
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Is he so materialistic and utilitarian that he actually sees himself, even though the word " piece" is hooked to the word "humanity", more as a " thing" than a person?
Does he relate to others as " it --- it" ? Totally moving away from the remote possibility of Martin Buber's " I ---- Thou" or even " I --- it". Is he taking his followers into the relational realm of " it--- it " ?
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Posted by: Longdream on Jan 1, 2009 6:02 PM
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We go by the main road to get across, and we see a car with, not a bumper sticker but sort of a placard in the back window which has a caricature of Barack in Muslim dress, with the caption, "Obama is a MARXIST!"
We were speechless for a moment, and then Peter said, "Religion is the opiate of the asshole," and I replied, "And Mohammed is his prophet."
The dogs didn't say anything. They would have peed up the tires, but we were across the street.
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Posted by: noalternative on Jan 1, 2009 7:10 PM
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Bill O'Reilly is a phony that benefited from New Deal programs as a baby but denies this opportunity to others.
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The so-called "hippies" never legitimized drug abuse as they imagined. It's still a moral as well as legal transgression to f**kup the human brain.
The "sixties revolution" was transparently orchestrated by self-serving cynics who convinced too many of my generation that they had no responsibility to anything but their own whims. (My, how like the current version of conservatism that sounds.) Reality: those hippies, now in their sixties, still hang around college towns - addled beyond hope like any alcoholic street bum.
O' Reilly is everything the author claims: despicable in all respects. But he's indistinguishable from any "leftist" in that they all peddle simplistic, ill-conceive & inadequate "ideologies" to those who haven't a shred of critical thinking. And they all yell "Shut up!" at those who question them for those questions unveil the evil concealed in "ideals."
So it's worth noting that a lot of responsible, clear-headed young people (who may have been "young Republicans") rode out the Sixties with legitimate concern over what was going on. O' Reilly was NOT one of us - he was just hiding under the cloak of legitimacy we provided. That's the way it should be reported in this article and any other article.
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Co-host Anderson Cooper, who spent the night playing the role of straight man to Kathy Griffin’s antics, then managed to break for commercial - although by that point, he could barely keep a straight face.
Cooper seemed to become increasingly uncomfortable with Griffin’s off-color remarks, including her request to “get a pap smear from [CNN medical reporter] Dr. Sanjay Gupta,” and her description of former CNN host Glenn Beck as a “heroin addict Mormon.”
CRAWFISH NOTE: This is a major way to find liberals…look for the raunchy insulting potty mouth…and there you go. Another testimony to the fruits of modern secular socialism…the always angry tacky public figure with no class and no realistic ideas. Thanks CNN, you did it to the culture (and viewers) again. Liberals do what liberals do.
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Posted by: ds1st on Jan 2, 2009 6:13 PM
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Let’s face it, generally if you are a liberal you may not like Bill O'Reilly and if you are conservative Bill O'Reilly is on target.
I have read all of Bill’s books and they are well written and informative. I believe his points of view are founded in fact. If you like Bill O'Reilly or not he does write a good book.
Keep up the good work Bill!
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» And YOU, ds,are
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 3, 2009 2:28 PM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jan 5, 2009 1:10 PM
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in what is the 'preferred Truth' offered... & the signs of what is being covered up. In fact, the LIE is often more telling than a simple relation of Truths.
I suspect that if more people weren't patently afraid of that Bully, we'd hear a LOT more about him from those who could identify exactly which lies are the juiciest.
until then? ...only hearing from those whose statements we *approve or enjoy* does ourselves a disservice. If you don't listen to the raving Liars & fearfully coward bullies... you miss out on what a goodly portion of the World accepts on sheer face value.
..so you've no idea how to talk to the people who need to hear more than what contents themselves.
Spread Love, not corporate dependence...
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Posted by: Larry Linn on Jan 6, 2009 11:01 AM
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Posted by: Lauren on Jan 6, 2009 12:55 PM
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“The whole Republican Party was for sale—the House, Senate and the White House,” said a well-respected federal agency official with impeccable credentials who declined to be named but who is familiar with testimony and sources close to the grand jury probing Jack Abramoff.
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Posted by: Hope4Israel on Jan 6, 2009 5:33 PM
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