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Rumsfeld's Attempts to Rewrite Himself on the Right Side of History Are Laughable
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I've been following the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from Go to Oh-No, and by far the biggest surprise has been how many whopping lies you can get away with. The biggest whoppers I've seen lately were in a Nov. 23 op-ed piece by Donald Rumsfeld for the New York Times, "One surge Does Not Fit All."
Rumsfeld's main point is that the "surge" that supposedly worked so well in Iraq might not work in Afghanistan. But Rumsfeld spends most of the essay talking about what he did, or didn't do, in Iraq. He claims he's been "…occasionally -- and incorrectly -- portrayed as an opponent of the surge in Iraq." This is a classic example of Rumsfeld in full denial mode. For proof that he was in fact opposed to the surge, here's Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard saying outright that Rumsfeld opposed the surge:
"In September [2006], Rumsfeld had rejected the idea of a surge when retired Gen. Jack Keane, a former vice chief of staff of the Army and a member of the advisory Defense Policy Review Board, met with him and [Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter] Pace. Keane insisted the "train-and-leave" strategy, as Bush referred to it, was failing. He proposed a counterinsurgency strategy, the addition of five to eight Army brigades, and a primary focus on taking back Baghdad. Rumsfeld was unconvinced."
You may not be surprised that Rumsfeld is changing his story to cover himself; after all, that's what ex-cabinet types generally do in these articles. They didn't oppose the surge because they grudged a few more troops, a few billion more taxpayer dollars. The Bush administration was never known for being either squeamish or penny-pinching. Their problem was pure denial: The people at the top, Rumsfeld among them, were too cowardly to admit that a big chunk of the Iraqi people we had "liberated" weren't grateful but were out for our blood.
The key phrase in that quote from the Weekly Standard is the distinction between two kinds of strategy: the "train-and-leave" favored by Bush and Rumsfeld, and the "counterinsurgency strategy" the Army was desperately trying to get the administration to adopt. Letting U.S. forces in Iraq implement a counterinsurgency strategy meant admitting that there was an insurgency. That was the problem, not finding enough troops or money.
I've studied war all my life, but I can't think of another example where one side refused to admit it was in a war at all. And when you won't admit you're in a war, you're not likely to win. Rumsfeld was part of that chorus of denial, but the prize for most advanced case has to go to Vice President Dick Cheney, who said in May 2005 that the Iraqi insurgency was "... in the last throes, if you will." In May 2005, 80 American soldiers died in Iraq, a rate of three dead (and dozens wounded) every day.
For the whole of 2005, American losses were horrific: 846 dead. American dead for 2004 had been almost the same number, 849. At the end of the year, President Bush summed it all up as only he could: "2005 was a fascinating year [in Iraq]. You know, elections were held, the country looked relatively calm." That was the official story from the Bush administration, and they gave absolute priority to maintaining it. That's why Rumsfeld wouldn't listen to any talk about adopting counterinsurgency tactics, rather than sticking with the fantasy that we were only there to "train" the local forces and then "leave."
Rumsfeld purposely misses this point when he claims that there had been earlier "surges" before Gen. David Petraeus' 2006 surge:
"In 2005, troop levels in Iraq were increased to numbers nearly equal to the 2007 surge -- twice. But the effects were not as durable, because large segments of the Sunni population were still providing sanctuary to insurgents, and Iraq's security forces were not sufficiently capable or large enough."
It didn't work because the problem was strategy, not troop numbers. Rumsfeld wasn't alone in refusing to think about counterinsurgency. Most of the Army officer corps associated "counterinsurgency" with Vietnam and wanted nothing to do with it, as Lt. Col. John A. Nagl acknowledges: "It is not unfair to say that in 2003 most Army officers knew more about the U.S. Civil War than they did about counterinsurgency." Counterinsurgency tactics are the exact opposite of the "shock-and-awe" strategy Rumsfeld had been pushing in Iraq. Rumsfeld's notion of war involves maximum firepower; counterinsurgency warfare stresses getting to know the locals instead of firing blindly every time a patrol is ambushed. Counterinsurgency is slow, people-centered and low tech.
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 26, 2008 5:14 AM
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May he and his dispicable enablers scrub the floors of VA hospitals till their last dying days.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 26, 2008 7:15 AM
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It was more important for the brass and the administration to save face than to save lives. I don't know how he has the gall to show his face. He failed miserably at the job when he had it, why should anyone listen to him now. I guess it's redemption time for all the dismal failures. Guess what Rummy? You don't get to write your own history. That will be done for you. You probably won't like it. ANNA
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» Rumsfeld didn't fail ...
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» Sucks, don't it?
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» You are so right
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Posted by: gar1948 on Nov 26, 2008 6:11 PM
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Before you advance the frontline you must take care to do two things: 1.) eliminate all opposition in any territory before the frontline advances, and 2.) maintain a supply line to the front line.
The United States lost the "war" in Viet Nam for the same reason we will lose the "war" in Iraq. We never pay any attention to the number one requirement above.
Anyone who has any interest in how to win a war, I highly recommend a study of Genghis Khan. I'm NOT saying we should emulate Khan. In fact, discovering how he won wars is one of the best arguments I know of against fighting wars.
My belief is that there has not been a war fought on this planet since 1945. We have fought many scrimmages though and they are bad enough. Unfortunately, despite all BS to the contrary, from what I can see, their sole purpose has been to transfer wealth from the public coffers to private hands.
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» RE: Only One Way To Win A War: Smedley Butler
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» RE: Only One Way To Win A War: Smedley Butler
Posted by: gar1948
» RE: Only One Way To Win A War: Smedley Butler
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» Well Said, gar1948
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 28, 2008 5:07 AM
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Honestly how did he expect to 'Shock & Awe' When they did Not follow the Powell Doctrine which specifically calls for 'Overwhelming force' to begin with.What Shock or Awe is accomplished when you send in far too few troops with crap for equipment....Off the line Hummers with ONLY Camo paint as it's 'Upgrade', Not to mention the fact many soldiers had family members Buying them bullet proof vests since they were not provided.
The USSR showed US just what a quagmire Afghanistan was in the '80's....so who didn't realize it was going to be a clusterfuck when we put boots down? As for Iraq, been there done that and obviously changed nothing.Besides if we are going after leaders who support terrorism, Why did we not immediately go after the Saudi's? They had the most 'Native son's' involved in 9/11,Not Iraq or even Afghanistan. Realistically, Afghanistan was merely 'College' for those spawn in Saudi Arabia.
When you begin with the premise that we only invaded either of these countries to gain a foothold amongst Oil rich countries thus an 'Operating base', the rest of Rummy's claims and Lies are Irrelevant.
It's not solely th escrew ups that they ALLOWED to occur, but the motivating factors which led US to step in that pile of shit to begin with. What were they hoping to obtain and FOR WHOM? Since our Oil Prices were beyond tripled during this admin, The quest for cheap oil was NOT for US, but for Oil 'Royals' who the Western Oil Corps not only work with, but Work FOR. Two Oil Men take over the WH, We invade and threaten to invade Oil rich countries, Oil prices thus profits goes Up. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out We have been Highjacked and Used by the Oil royals and their Corp minions as cash cows and mercenaries to increase their control over More Oil rich lands.
Cheney Corp (including Rummy) should hang for TREASON.
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» Well said.
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» RE: Granting legitimacy to their cause
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Nov 28, 2008 7:57 AM
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The only possible surge that might work (and where I fear we all may be headed) is a worldwide coordinated surge...i.e. a de-facto, coordinated worldwide security/military dictatorship.
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» RE: The problem with surges...
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» RE: The only way
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Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Nov 28, 2008 9:16 AM
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Posted by: Quannah on Nov 28, 2008 10:49 AM
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He's trying to make his money while he can. It's got to be much harder to make money off book sales from a prison cell.
(That's my wish, anyway)
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» Don't worry though. The Democrats and Republicans will simply "pardon" him.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 28, 2008 11:59 AM
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The ineffectiveness of the DoD is seen in why we have 4 Air Forces (USAF, Naval Aviation, Army Aviation, Marine Aviation), 3 Armies (The Real Army, The Navy's Army- the Marines, & The Navy's other Army- the SEALS) and an Army that operates ships. 3 Medical commands, 3 Communication Commands, 4 Intelligence Commands, etc.
We could also do without the overabundance of civilian 'leadership' that essentially answers to nobody. Rumsfeld, like McNamara, wasted truckloads of money, killed countless people and was never held to account for it. Getting fired or being forced to resign is not being accountable. If a Private commits a war crime they go to jail- if a Defense Secretary orders a wave of war crimes, who prosecutes them?
It's time to give the Pentagon an enema and then stand it up on true accountability and dedication to COUNTRY- not some politician or any branch of service. Any politician.
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Posted by: mgmyers79 on Nov 28, 2008 12:23 PM
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Counterinsurgency is just as paranoid a war tactic as extreme force. Torture is a primary method, as is funding homegrown killers to do the dirty work in your stead. Counterinsurgency means hiring killers to assassinate community activists and inspire fear in the whole population. Counterinsurgency has never, and will never, consist of building infrastructure and an economic base so the people have a shot at a decent existence.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Nov 28, 2008 3:01 PM
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Posted by: floridahank on Nov 28, 2008 4:19 PM
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but it's nice to contemplate how things would
have been different, if we'd have all those
billions of $$$, 50,000+ military dead and
wounded, and all the additional problems that
come from caring for these poor troops who
have lost their limbs, their jobs, and families
changing their futures for helping their
sons, daughters, fathers, etc.
I think our country could have handled the
financial crisis much better if we didn't have
this wrong war stealing money, lives and
eonomic futures of millions of hard-working
citizens.
I know it's a hypothetical approach
viewing these 2 events, but somehow our country would be
much different without the enormous war costs.
The Bush administration must take the blame
for making the financial crisis worse than
it might have been.
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Posted by: RogerLakins on Nov 29, 2008 5:53 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 26, 2008 5:14 AM
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May he and his dispicable enablers scrub the floors of VA hospitals till their last dying days.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 26, 2008 7:15 AM
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It was more important for the brass and the administration to save face than to save lives. I don't know how he has the gall to show his face. He failed miserably at the job when he had it, why should anyone listen to him now. I guess it's redemption time for all the dismal failures. Guess what Rummy? You don't get to write your own history. That will be done for you. You probably won't like it. ANNA
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» Rumsfeld didn't fail ...
Posted by: gar1948
» Sucks, don't it?
Posted by: thekidde
» You are so right
Posted by: pete ess
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Posted by: gar1948 on Nov 26, 2008 6:11 PM
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Before you advance the frontline you must take care to do two things: 1.) eliminate all opposition in any territory before the frontline advances, and 2.) maintain a supply line to the front line.
The United States lost the "war" in Viet Nam for the same reason we will lose the "war" in Iraq. We never pay any attention to the number one requirement above.
Anyone who has any interest in how to win a war, I highly recommend a study of Genghis Khan. I'm NOT saying we should emulate Khan. In fact, discovering how he won wars is one of the best arguments I know of against fighting wars.
My belief is that there has not been a war fought on this planet since 1945. We have fought many scrimmages though and they are bad enough. Unfortunately, despite all BS to the contrary, from what I can see, their sole purpose has been to transfer wealth from the public coffers to private hands.
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» RE: Only One Way To Win A War
Posted by: wehaveseenthismovieb4
» RE: Only One Way To Win A War: Smedley Butler
Posted by: IndispensiBill
» RE: Only One Way To Win A War: Smedley Butler
Posted by: gar1948
» RE: Only One Way To Win A War: Smedley Butler
Posted by: Squarehead
» Well Said, gar1948
Posted by: Carol Burns
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 28, 2008 5:07 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Honestly how did he expect to 'Shock & Awe' When they did Not follow the Powell Doctrine which specifically calls for 'Overwhelming force' to begin with.What Shock or Awe is accomplished when you send in far too few troops with crap for equipment....Off the line Hummers with ONLY Camo paint as it's 'Upgrade', Not to mention the fact many soldiers had family members Buying them bullet proof vests since they were not provided.
The USSR showed US just what a quagmire Afghanistan was in the '80's....so who didn't realize it was going to be a clusterfuck when we put boots down? As for Iraq, been there done that and obviously changed nothing.Besides if we are going after leaders who support terrorism, Why did we not immediately go after the Saudi's? They had the most 'Native son's' involved in 9/11,Not Iraq or even Afghanistan. Realistically, Afghanistan was merely 'College' for those spawn in Saudi Arabia.
When you begin with the premise that we only invaded either of these countries to gain a foothold amongst Oil rich countries thus an 'Operating base', the rest of Rummy's claims and Lies are Irrelevant.
It's not solely th escrew ups that they ALLOWED to occur, but the motivating factors which led US to step in that pile of shit to begin with. What were they hoping to obtain and FOR WHOM? Since our Oil Prices were beyond tripled during this admin, The quest for cheap oil was NOT for US, but for Oil 'Royals' who the Western Oil Corps not only work with, but Work FOR. Two Oil Men take over the WH, We invade and threaten to invade Oil rich countries, Oil prices thus profits goes Up. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out We have been Highjacked and Used by the Oil royals and their Corp minions as cash cows and mercenaries to increase their control over More Oil rich lands.
Cheney Corp (including Rummy) should hang for TREASON.
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» Well said.
Posted by: thekidde
» RE: Granting legitimacy to their cause
Posted by: bobtr900
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Nov 28, 2008 7:57 AM
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The only possible surge that might work (and where I fear we all may be headed) is a worldwide coordinated surge...i.e. a de-facto, coordinated worldwide security/military dictatorship.
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» RE: The problem with surges...
Posted by: gar1948
» RE: The only way
Posted by: Cybershaman
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Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Nov 28, 2008 9:16 AM
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Posted by: Quannah on Nov 28, 2008 10:49 AM
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He's trying to make his money while he can. It's got to be much harder to make money off book sales from a prison cell.
(That's my wish, anyway)
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» Don't worry though. The Democrats and Republicans will simply "pardon" him.
Posted by: maxpayne
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 28, 2008 11:59 AM
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The ineffectiveness of the DoD is seen in why we have 4 Air Forces (USAF, Naval Aviation, Army Aviation, Marine Aviation), 3 Armies (The Real Army, The Navy's Army- the Marines, & The Navy's other Army- the SEALS) and an Army that operates ships. 3 Medical commands, 3 Communication Commands, 4 Intelligence Commands, etc.
We could also do without the overabundance of civilian 'leadership' that essentially answers to nobody. Rumsfeld, like McNamara, wasted truckloads of money, killed countless people and was never held to account for it. Getting fired or being forced to resign is not being accountable. If a Private commits a war crime they go to jail- if a Defense Secretary orders a wave of war crimes, who prosecutes them?
It's time to give the Pentagon an enema and then stand it up on true accountability and dedication to COUNTRY- not some politician or any branch of service. Any politician.
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Posted by: mgmyers79 on Nov 28, 2008 12:23 PM
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Counterinsurgency is just as paranoid a war tactic as extreme force. Torture is a primary method, as is funding homegrown killers to do the dirty work in your stead. Counterinsurgency means hiring killers to assassinate community activists and inspire fear in the whole population. Counterinsurgency has never, and will never, consist of building infrastructure and an economic base so the people have a shot at a decent existence.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Nov 28, 2008 3:01 PM
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Posted by: floridahank on Nov 28, 2008 4:19 PM
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but it's nice to contemplate how things would
have been different, if we'd have all those
billions of $$$, 50,000+ military dead and
wounded, and all the additional problems that
come from caring for these poor troops who
have lost their limbs, their jobs, and families
changing their futures for helping their
sons, daughters, fathers, etc.
I think our country could have handled the
financial crisis much better if we didn't have
this wrong war stealing money, lives and
eonomic futures of millions of hard-working
citizens.
I know it's a hypothetical approach
viewing these 2 events, but somehow our country would be
much different without the enormous war costs.
The Bush administration must take the blame
for making the financial crisis worse than
it might have been.
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