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Forget Red vs. Blue -- It's the Educated vs. People Easily Fooled by Propaganda

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted November 12, 2008.


Millions of Americans live in a non-reality-based belief system informed by childish cliches - they can barely differentiate between lies and truth.
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We live in two Americas. One America, now the minority, functions in a print-based, literate world. It can cope with complexity and has the intellectual tools to separate illusion from truth. The other America, which constitutes the majority, exists in a non-reality-based belief system. This America, dependent on skillfully manipulated images for information, has severed itself from the literate, print-based culture. It cannot differentiate between lies and truth. It is informed by simplistic, childish narratives and cliches. It is thrown into confusion by ambiguity, nuance and self-reflection. This divide, more than race, class or gender, more than rural or urban, believer or nonbeliever, red state or blue state, has split the country into radically distinct, unbridgeable and antagonistic entities.

There are over 42 million American adults, 20 percent of whom hold high school diplomas, who cannot read, as well as the 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation's population is illiterate or barely literate. And their numbers are growing by an estimated 2 million a year. But even those who are supposedly literate retreat in huge numbers into this image-based existence. A third of high school graduates, along with 42 percent of college graduates, never read a book after they finish school. Eighty percent of the families in the United States last year did not buy a book.

The illiterate rarely vote, and when they do vote they do so without the ability to make decisions based on textual information. American political campaigns, which have learned to speak in the comforting epistemology of images, eschew real ideas and policy for cheap slogans and reassuring personal narratives. Political propaganda now masquerades as ideology. Political campaigns have become an experience. They do not require cognitive or self-critical skills. They are designed to ignite pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation. Campaigns that succeed are carefully constructed psychological instruments that manipulate fickle public moods, emotions and impulses, many of which are subliminal. They create a public ecstasy that annuls individuality and fosters a state of mindlessness. They thrust us into an eternal present. They cater to a nation that now lives in a state of permanent amnesia. It is style and story, not content or history or reality, which inform our politics and our lives. We prefer happy illusions. And it works because so much of the American electorate, including those who should know better, blindly cast ballots for slogans, smiles, the cheerful family tableaux, narratives and the perceived sincerity and the attractiveness of candidates. We confuse how we feel with knowledge.

The illiterate and semi-literate, once the campaigns are over, remain powerless. They still cannot protect their children from dysfunctional public schools. They still cannot understand predatory loan deals, the intricacies of mortgage papers, credit card agreements and equity lines of credit that drive them into foreclosures and bankruptcies. They still struggle with the most basic chores of daily life from reading instructions on medicine bottles to filling out bank forms, car loan documents and unemployment benefit and insurance papers. They watch helplessly and without comprehension as hundreds of thousands of jobs are shed. They are hostages to brands. Brands come with images and slogans. Images and slogans are all they understand. Many eat at fast food restaurants not only because it is cheap but because they can order from pictures rather than menus. And those who serve them, also semi-literate or illiterate, punch in orders on cash registers whose keys are marked with symbols and pictures. This is our brave new world.

Political leaders in our post-literate society no longer need to be competent, sincere or honest. They only need to appear to have these qualities. Most of all they need a story, a narrative. The reality of the narrative is irrelevant. It can be completely at odds with the facts. The consistency and emotional appeal of the story are paramount. The most essential skill in political theater and the consumer culture is artifice. Those who are best at artifice succeed. Those who have not mastered the art of artifice fail. In an age of images and entertainment, in an age of instant emotional gratification, we do not seek or want honesty. We ask to be indulged and entertained by clichs, stereotypes and mythic narratives that tell us we can be whomever we want to be, that we live in the greatest country on Earth, that we are endowed with superior moral and physical qualities and that our glorious future is preordained, either because of our attributes as Americans or because we are blessed by God or both.

The ability to magnify these simple and childish lies, to repeat them and have surrogates repeat them in endless loops of news cycles, gives these lies the aura of an uncontested truth. We are repeatedly fed words or phrases like yes we can, maverick, change, pro-life, hope or war on terror. It feels good not to think. All we have to do is visualize what we want, believe in ourselves and summon those hidden inner resources, whether divine or national, that make the world conform to our desires. Reality is never an impediment to our advancement.


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Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer prize-winning reporter, is a Senior Fellow at the Nation Institute. His latest book is Collateral Damage: America's War Against Iraqi Civilians.

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Title switch skews point of Article.
Posted by: -matti on Nov 12, 2008 12:40 AM   
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This piece was originally titled "America the Illiterate" on truthdig.

The title chosen for Alternet at best confuses Mr. Hedges' point and at worst is totally unattached to it.

This piece is mostly about the -increasing- tendency to get one's information more from pictures and sound (TV) than the written word.

From this tendency -and from his opinion of the quality of "Americans'" actions and ideas- Mr. Hedges comes to some conclusions on the implications for Society and the World.

Alternet's title seems assured of distracting from Mr. Hedges' intended focus and fomenting a huge -and pointless- debate on "education".

Likely an even more pointless and huge one than Mr. Hedges' own unfortunate use of the now-loaded (both conceptually AND emotionally) term, "Illiterate" -when what he means could be better called "A-lliterate", doesn't read, not cannot read- sparked on truthdig itself.

Sloppy, sloppy Alternet *wags finger*.

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Illiterate doesn't mean dumb, just uneducated - and educated people can be very gullible.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 12, 2008 2:17 AM   
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The self-styled "educated elite" are subject to a different kind of propaganda than the one that the author describes here. Here, we have simple efforts to influence people based on emotional manipulation. This kind of propaganda is based on the maxim "Take the concept, simplify it to the point a small child could understand it, and then repeat, repeat, repeat:

"Iraq has nuclear weapons and must be invaded."

"Tax cuts for the rich are good for the poor."

etc.

However, the educated elite are subject to their own propaganda as well, and it's a bit more effective. This is the kind of propaganda that makes intelligent, educated adults willing to devote their time and effort to advancing the agenda of totalitarian psychopaths.

The classic example is the public opinion towards the Vietnam War. The standard belief is that college-educated people opposed the war, while the illiterate were for it. James Risen does the statistics in his book "Lies my Teacher Told Me":

Most people believe that the Vietnam split is something like this, based on level of education:
college: 90% anti-war, 10% pro-war
high school: 75% anti-war, 25% pro-war
grade school: 60% anti-war, 40% pro-war

In reality, the educated groups were the ones who supported the war the most:
college: 60% anti-war, 40% pro-war
high school: 75% anti-war, 25% pro-war
grade school: 80% anti-war, 20% pro-war

Thus, the least educated and the most illiterate were the ones who opposed the war! Perhaps this is because they hadn't read all the artful propaganda in the papers about the "great noble cause" we were in engaged in.

Some of the basic prejudices of the educated class regarding the Vietnam war are listed by Risen:

1) Educated people are more informed and critical, hence more able to sift through information and conclude that the Vietnam War was not in our best interests...

2) Educated people are more tolerant. There were elements of racism and ethnocentrism in our conduct of the war; educated people are less likely to accept such prejudice.

Risen does a great job of describing the characteristics of the educated classes that make them susceptible to artful propaganda.

The first is Allegiance. Follow along: educated adults tend to make high salaries, and their education level often has much to do with their parent's wealth level. However, these people prefer to see America as a strict meritocracy, rather than one where inherited wealth is the dominant feature.

"They achieved their own success; other people must be getting their just deserts. Believing that American society is open to individual input, the educated well-to-do tend to agree with society's decisions and feel they had a hand in forming them"... in this sense, educated successful people have a vested interest in believing that the the society that helped them to be educated and successful is fair.

The second is Socialization. This is the process of "learning how to behave" - the social rules, norms, language, etc. Risen again puts it well: "Education as socialization tells people what to think and how to act and requires them to conform. Education as socialization influences students simply to accept the rightness of our society."

Just look at the neoconservatives - well educated but totally insane, and responsible for the most disastrous U.S. foreign policy ever, just about. I'd far rather have an illiterate person in charge - because they will be able to learn, and will likely be motivated to. They will also have a sense of humility, right?

Neocons already know it all, and are entirely sure that their views are the only right ones, and so they can't learn a damn thing.

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The art & science of deceit
Posted by: weathered on Nov 12, 2008 2:58 AM   
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Look at MSM for exactly what it is, an accomplice to the crimes.

Have you ever seen a president-elect command the pr, position and presence that Obama enjoys today?

Pure choreography.

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Random Thoughts
Posted by: Lilly on Nov 12, 2008 3:07 AM   
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Random thoughts on this interesting topic: 1) The phenomenon is not new. I remember (Wallace? Maddox?) nearly fifty years ago in a campaign speech saying that college professors did not know how to change an automobile tire; this was in the anti-"egghead" campaign season. 2) The conservative base is actually encouraged to keep its children safe from formal education; Newt Gingrich hosted a FOX special about two years ago urging parents not to send their kids to college, and homeschooling parents protest state-imposed curricula, educational requirements for homeschooling parents, and required record-keeping and pupil evaluation. 3) Note also the rise in Internet-bought degrees and in resume padding and resume blatant lying---the substantive degree is not as respected as it was. With unprecedented opportunity for education, we have come to a place where we despise education. Go to townhall.com and find Thomas Sowell's article of 11-10-08 on intellectuals; this University of Chicago PhD chooses here to feed the rednecks, and the long message forum that follows hits all bases.

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i don't think its the illiterate vs the literate...
Posted by: anniekelleher on Nov 12, 2008 3:20 AM   
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i think it's the people who DO think vs the people who don't. i know quite a few literate conservatives who still buy into the things like the sarah palin phenomenon...all because they cling to the images that comfort them.

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I'm not so sure it is a matter of "Literacy" as much it may be...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Nov 12, 2008 4:18 AM   
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...A matter of "Lazyness"...

It seems even the supposed "Literate" prefer to watch television as to actually "Read"... Reading requires attention, it requires we take the information in and actually "think" about what we've read.

In our world of "Gotta have it NOW" many of us have convinced ourselves we "don't have time to read"...

**shruggs**

That's my two cents...

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» Thank you Basenjis... Posted by: ~Fiona~
Watch the movide Idiocracy
Posted by: rugger on Nov 12, 2008 4:22 AM   
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If you want to see an hysterical satire of where we are headed. Sad but true. The opening sequence tells it all, with the dumb white trash family with about 6 kids, while the super educated couple debating well in to their 40's whether it's the right time to have their first kid.

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» RE: Watch the movide Idiocracy Posted by: deeannef
The primitive will always be with us . . .
Posted by: Itsthewater on Nov 12, 2008 4:23 AM   
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to Bowdlerize a Bible quote (it's not my religion-I don't know who said it).

But as I said to my European educated wife the other day, the lashback against the prerogatives of Capital began with the most illiterate and educationally challenged people in the country: miners and loggers.

I feel that we may be entering another such phase (like the one that occurred at the beginning of the last century) where undereducated people fight for basic survival against recognizable forces. Witness the "Redneck Revolt" against the bailout.

All the images and emotion described above were employed to garner support for the thievery, but "Red" America didn't buy it. I was particularly struck by the image that Bush used in insisting that we had to do this: it was the exact same semiotics as the the sale of the Iraq war.
He stood at the end of a long hallway (I don't know, it could be "THE" long hallway, used for these occasions) and gave the same speech in the same clothes with the same props (red runner carpet, flag of US, imperial flag of the Presidency) and warned, although aged and not as much into his role as 6 years ago, that the need for quick action without reflection was a paramount duty of the American public. It was the exact same speech, with the words "Financial Crisis" substituted for "WMDs".

It is possible that the undereducated know who is screwing them and why. It is also possible that educated rich are aware that their policies in reference to general well being and sustainability are insane and don't care. The wealthy are not known for their ability to see over the horizon to the effects that their causes will make. See, for example, "let them eat cake".

The undereducated (and miseducated) public will arrive at their appointed times.

What I worry about is an angry vet, flunked out of art school, say, in Memphis, Atlanta, Jackson who decides to bring vengeance to the liberals and capitalists that sold out his dream.

Let's call him Alex Hatler. He is frustrated but articulate in the manipulation of images. He makes up a natty new wardrobe in Brown, Black or Red that lets the people who share his convictions identify themselves.

They have marches, maybe Sarah Palin gets behind them, where impassioned speeches are screamed about the bankers who allowed this monstrosity of miscegenation into the White House. After all, it is (according to the MSM) the financial crisis that propelled Obama to victory.
Meanwhile, the fragility of the "real" economy stresses people to the point where they say

ENOUGH SCALPEL, LET'S GO SLEDGEHAMMER!!

Maybe a fire in the capitol, blamed on Bill Ayers?

Sleep tight

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It's Knowledge Versus Ignorance
Posted by: pinnacle on Nov 12, 2008 4:36 AM   
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Education doesn't equate to being interlectual. And being intellectual doesn't mean one has a "real" education. An educated person may be ignorant about some things but continues to learn and abate that ignorance. Hence, most educated people can change a tire --- because they have! However, most intellectuals and other elitests have never changed a tire and never will. Yet, I will assure you that both classes can read, write and solve basic math problems. As my mother used to say, "You are totally ignorant if you don't know your three R's".

You must understand a simple fact. There are more ignorant people in the United States than there are educated ones and there are more stupid people than smart ones. A visit to Home Depot, for example, will illustrate that point very well. It should be clear, then, that education, or the lack thereof, is one of the biggest problems facing the US. And, yes, it is much easier to manipulate the ignorant than the educated because the educated have learned more, seen more, and done more. Maybe we should do away with the "Cartoon Channel" and require our kids to watch the "History Channel". Doing so would go a long ways towards educating the population.

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i am disgusted
Posted by: apparently on Nov 12, 2008 4:43 AM   
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I have known high school dropouts who act and pose in elitist ways and PhDs who are genuinely humble and empathetic to the plight of those less fortunate. I have also known quasi-literate working-class people--like those Hedges say are easily duped--demonstrate a critical stance toward politics, politicians, news and commercial culture that would make Bob McChesney seem like a puppy.

The world is not divided thusly and not as simplistically as hedges claims. This view not only disgusts for is dripping, know-it-all, holier-than-thou posturing, I-am-above-it-all posturing, it is also dangerous for it can easily blind one to whose one's enemies are and potentially block avenues for new connections and camaraderie.

Don't believe this "print world," self-aggrandizing propaganda.

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"...and Ask Lots of Questions" Said my Mother
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 12, 2008 4:51 AM   
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Every morning before I left for Elementry school, My mother would always have this last bit of instructions.
Literally I would sit and listen in class and think..."What question should I ask about this?". I was such a obedient child, and also rather shy, I would struggle to think of something. God knows if they were pertinent questions but I was TOLD to to do so.
As I continued through College, this process became easier. In fact I began to realize what some intrustors said was true,'Don't feel foolish about asking questions, Yours may be the one someone else is afraid to ask themselves'.
Heres the difference
Those of US told to ask questions were indirectly informed that the teacher may not tell you everything, so YOU must draw the answers out of them for a clearer understanding. It also helped to encourage Us to seek answers if those given were inadequate.
Seems many others (including some college educated) Never had 'Inquiring minds'...Were they told to just listen in Class,Don't interrupt the teacher, or that the teacher knew everything.
I was not one to ask "lots" of questions- because I was shy, so I would wait until a question surfaced which had not been addressed during the Class. Poignant questions- not just 'participation' grade questions.
My Mother is a Right Wing Conservative (because her Husband is- My Dad was a social Moderate Dem), but she has nurtured the mind set of a Liberal. No Doubt this is frustrating to her...But I remind her that my views come from 'Asking lots of questions'.
Many people are raised to think & Do as they are Told....But it seems that many of US were intentioanlly or inadvertantly nurtured to be Questioners of Authority figures.
I know many less educated people who are deep thinkers and far more highly educated people who can never think outside the Box (the accepted, the standard, the Taught)
Prime Example- the typical Repug talking points are recited verbatium, never rephrased or even reconstructed to be grammatically correct. They speak as if they are connected to the Collective. Such as Now the mantra 'America is Right of Center'. Even faced with a monumental Loss they still hold this illogical view. I have heard every Right winger mechanically insert this lunacy in every conversation since the election.So to further my scope of understanding I must ASK "Why the hell would you assert such a well debunked idea". In theory those Stratedgists, pundits and media people are Well educated. Why do they not ask their 'Brain' why should we continue to look so stupid?...Because Ignorance is Bliss????
Question Authority, make them prove they are such. Challenge them when necessary to assure they continue to deserve such reverence.
I think the Bush adminstration proved 'Authority' is often the ignorant one and has provoked many Idle minded to begin Thinking again (or finally).They are asking more questions and finding the answers inadequate.This is intellectual Empowerment.So it's not Conserv vs Liberal, Red vs Blue, Educated vs uneducated....It's Self Esteem vs obedience. some see the authorities as the 'Mighty Oz',and some of Us ask 'Yeah BUT who's that man behind the curtain?'

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This is not a nuanced analysis...
Posted by: s.duplantier on Nov 12, 2008 4:56 AM   
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Mr. Hedges analysis is in itself an example of a non-nuanced oversimplification--a hallmark of the dreaded image-based culture he is commenting on.

Hedges says "We live in two Americas." No we don't. What could be more oversimplified and non-complex than this patently untrue dualism? "Two Americas" is in fact a print-based concept. You can't take a picture of "Two Americas," or display a symbol of the concept. One could argue that a series of images that even tried to prove that there are two Americas would fail, because it would show individual people, places, and activities, each with hundreds of nuanced differences. This is called reality, and it has less to do with the way that the linear, logical world of the print-based mind thinks that the world works than Hedges has imagined.

Hedges believes the beleaguered minority of literati are holding fast against the unwashed rabble --those easily duped by "simplistic, childish narratives." Yet Hedges narrative is nothing if not a simplistic and childish narrative itself. It is even worse, because the literate book readers of his cultural sphere (we could call it Printlandia) have access to the works of Harold A. Innis, Marshall McLuhan, Walter Ong, Eric Havelock, and others who offer more sophisticated analyses than the oversimplifications of Mr. Hedges.

In a few words, alphabetic and print literacy have given us the tools of thought that have created the very complex and turbulent world that individuals and societies are grappling with today. The literate world is itself the sphere of empire and control which emerged from the inventions of the alphabet, print, and the religions of the book.

Printlandians despise the oral/imagistic cultural mindset. Hedges slanders this "other" America in saying that it "cannot differentiate between lies and truth." But I am afraid it is the print-based mind failing to differentiate here.

Why not use those vaunted nuanced sensibilities to differentiate across the oral/image/literate divides and diagnose pathologies of culture in ways that will really make our collective lives better instead of give us such snobbish analyses?

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Stupidity is the norm, not the exception for all...
Posted by: Smartcookie on Nov 12, 2008 5:02 AM   
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The truth is, getting at the truth is time consuming and difficult. Communication by itself is difficult since most people are very bad at thinking, and cohering their thoughts properly before speaking them, intellectuals included.

It's not merely smart vs dumb people, it's that human beings as a whole are very bad at seperating truth from illusions of truth, among all classes and all the educated.

People are habitual, unless one has a fierce dedication to the truth and changing themselves and their behaviour, and humility to knowledge. Ibn Al-haytham had the best way to approach knowledge and what human beings think they know:

(From wikipedia)
He reasoned that to discover the truth about nature, it is necessary to eliminate human opinion and error, and allow the universe to speak for itself.[58] He wrote in his Doubts Concerning Ptolemy:

Therefore, the seeker after the truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them, but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration, and not to the sayings of a human being whose nature is fraught with all kinds of imperfection and deficiency. Thus the duty of the man who investigates the writings of scientists, if learning the truth is his goal, is to make himself an enemy of all that he reads, and, applying his mind to the core and margins of its content, attack it from every side. He should also suspect himself as he performs his critical examination of it, so that he may avoid falling into either prejudice or leniency.

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"Learn how to learn"
Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 12, 2008 5:03 AM   
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My college's motto was "learn how to learn." Sounds feel-good, but I think it was the right approach. You'll forget most of the facts you learn in college (because you will rarely need them), but you shouldn't forget how to gather and evaluate information, how to separate facts from interpretation and bias, how to recognize logical fallacies and appeals to emotions and propaganda.

Many people today just accept what they're told, partly because it feeds their biases, and partly because they don't have the tools to evaluate knowledge claims. Also, if you never read opposing views, and you have no respect for intellectual discourse and tolerance of the opinions of others, you have little opportunity to grow.

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good old jim crow
Posted by: alexandrapushkin on Nov 12, 2008 5:09 AM   
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in both the lincoln/douglass and nixon/kennedy debates, which the author seems to hold up as evidence of a better time long gone, there was a large segment of the population disenfranchised not just from voting, but from being properly educated as well. at the time of the lincoln/douglass debate, that group was not limited only by race, but by gender as well. could it be that it was only after the right to vote was extended to groups who remained at an educational disadvantage that politicians thought it prudent to use language that a majority of their constituents could understand? the global language monitor, i believe, put obama's election night speech no higher than a 7th grade level -- and yet it inspired more than the thousands who voted for him and was consistent with his image as an intelligent, articulate, leader and competent president-elect.

given the fact that even in the 21st-century, there are large segments of the population of this country who receive a second-class education through no fault of their own, i think it is reasonable to expect a national politician to reach out to all of his constituents, not just the ones who went to harvard like he did. furthermore, it seems to me that the solution to a problem which may or may not stem from the educational level of voters (the author did not much mention religion or culture as signifiers) should be for the nation to demand equal educational opportunities for all of its citizens.

i usually turn my nose up at the mention of a "liberal elite," which i acknowledge squarely places me among one, but in this case, i'm more inclined wrinkle my nose from the stench of it.

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Media's Role in People Being Uninformed and ill-informed
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 12, 2008 5:12 AM   
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Just like the debates in 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, the media is in the pocket of the military industrial oil central private banking complex, which supports the McCain/Palin ticket.

The media will spin in a positive light all of the lies put out by McCain and Palin. However, it does not matter who wins since Obama/Biden have sold out to the military industrial oil central private banking complex.

The fact that Obama/Biden say nothing about 9/11 being an inside job, the Federal Reserve Bank being the cause of the current financial crisis and every financial crisis prior to this one from 1913 on, Electronic voting machines being completely hackable both on the machine level and on the transmission of the precinct votes to the central tabulator and that this administration lied to attack Iraq.

Why none of these candidates can speak out is simple. They are all to varying degrees complicit with the cover-up of the above mentioned most pertinent problems in this country. If I know about these underlying causative problems, then they must know.

go to www.911insidejob.net

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Politics for the masses?
Posted by: CHD on Nov 12, 2008 5:19 AM   
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Not being American some of the subtleties of the article have probably passed me by but...
In 1858 was the debate in question reported verbatim in the newspapers? Or was it reported and summarised at a level of the 'average' reader?
Is the real difference that people now actually see/listen to the debate and so the participants make sure the language is clear and simple? Especially when some of those watching (and voting in key areas) may not even have English as a 1st language?
And isn't 6th/7th grade a 11 or 12 year old not a 10 year old as the writer says (or was the working title for the piece something about politicians not being smarter than... oh never mind its a TV reference)

The writer appears to fall into the "if you can't read as well as me your not as 'clever' as me trap". Electrical engineers and chemists use symbols to represent the abstract ideas in their fields. Does that mean they are not as clever as print journalists who use only words?

The thing that strikes me about the US elections that I have lived through is that they usually seem more like popularity contests than actual elections. The personal attributes rather than the actual policy differences being the things that are reported on and 'sold' to the public at large (by both the parties themselves and the news). I imagine that this is due to both candidates usually being centre right conservatives (when viewed from a rest of the world perspective) who actually have more in common than they do differences.

And a final point. I don't know if its just the UK news but I keep hearing the same story of poor US homeowners who were told their loan was at a fixed rate when either it wasn't or it was only fixed for 12-18 months. Is this type of 'mis-selling' legal in the US?
Is a loan company or bank making its products and documentation so deliberately obtuse that it catches out the unwary fair? Oh well, never mind, the writer and the banker can enjoy their drink together safe in the knowledge that they are cleverer than everyone else.

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» legal in the US? Posted by: Sojourner
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» RE: Politics for the masses? Posted by: gradioc
movie or book
Posted by: olympia43 on Nov 12, 2008 5:22 AM   
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Nearly always if I ask someone if they prefer the book or the movie--the answer will be the book. Elementary school and jr hi kids also nearly always prefer the book to the movie. A book allows for so much more character development and complexity than a movie--even an excellent adaptation.
One other thing, in spite of all the videos, etc. kids watch they have a very poor vocabulary. Anytime I used a word that was slightly unusual, they looked at me like I was suddenly speaking an alien language.
The big reason that I now get most of my news from the internet is that it gives me a chance to pursue stories in more depth.

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» RE: movie or book Posted by: Lauren
Well Said
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 12, 2008 5:27 AM   
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This article has given me a better understanding as to why so many people consider me to be a "conspiracy nut" when I talk about 9/11 being an inside job, the Federal Reserve Bank being a cartel of private banks controlling not only the economy but the government, the last two presidential elections being stolen by computer fraud, that Bush has greatly enhanced the agenda of the "powers that be" for a one world government and for the fascist takeover of this country.

I could go on and on but I will not. Please check out my website which is www.911insidejob.net for many articles and videos

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Education level, literacy irrelevant
Posted by: Skeptic10 on Nov 12, 2008 5:43 AM   
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I live in Mormon country where childish beliefs (Jesus roamed the Americas and left "Golden Plates" in Upstate New York) prevail. The inhabitants of Utah believe George W. Bush has done a great job as President. Education and literacy are irrelevant. Highly successful and literate doctors, lawyers and business people hold these same silly beliefs dear.

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RE: Scary
Posted by: Krotos on Nov 12, 2008 6:23 AM   
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I don't think Obama himself is evil or some incipient dictator. The problem is that a huge number of highly-educated progressives who should know better have decided that he's some kind of glorious savior sent down to redeem us from our sins, rather than a slighty left-of-center politician who will inevitably engage in the kind of hypocritical, cowardly, and opportunistic things that politicians of all stripes do. (As, indeed, he's done before -- see FISA.)

That's why I and many others keep saying that whether the next four or eight years are a fresh start for the country will depend on us, not him. The idea that we've solved all our problems just by changing the person in the Oval Office is the kind of attitude you'd expect to see in an absolute monarchy, not in a democratic republic. That indeed is scary.

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RE: we may have been hoodwinked like we have never been hoodwinked before.
Posted by: Lauren on Nov 12, 2008 9:34 AM   
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I am actually starting to think we may have been hoodwinked like we have never been hoodwinked before.

Yes you have been, but it was not Obama, it was me!

I played a trick on everybody. I tricked them into having an actual election instead of the usual big media coronation. The big media was most surprised of all. Why, they never saw me coming? No. They were deliberately ignoring a really big story. Will they will see me next time? We will see.

I did it by raising issue after isuue on the internet. I am a mom and girl scout leader so I really know how to talk about the issues people care about, like the economy.

What I was doing was very clever and complicated and lots of people do not believe it. But to keep attributing magic to Obama is simply incorrect, the magic came from me. He just knew what to do with it. Somebody he knew was paying attention to me and they caught and amplified my message of hope.

They had to have faith in me, that I really had a vision for achieving a better world, and I had to convince them. I had to have faith and be able to share my vision. Don't think Bush's forces of darkness weren't busy with me, they were. It was criminal and it was torture. I am a citizen, I do have rights.

"Liberals" keep assuming it was Obama that has this vision, that is not right. It was his smarts to ride and build the wave, but I called it up. You don't have to believe it, but it is true.

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You do raise a point...
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Nov 12, 2008 9:59 AM   
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If elections are merely a popularity contest among the dimwitted populace, who are easily fooled by media propaganda, then Obama's election is by definition a Bad Thing.

Oh, that's right... those who elected him are the "smart" ones.

I think I sense a tautology going on here.

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Criticism of the Intellectuals
Posted by: Passacaglia on Nov 12, 2008 6:01 AM   
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After reading Thomas Sowell’s shortsighted article 11/11/08 townhall.com (with thanks to Lilly), the faceless intelligensia, that is, intellectuals, are being trounced once again by the right-wing. Of course that would happen regularly, and it is a constant drum beating by the right, but notice that never are names given, just Harvard Graduates and straw man arguments about GroupThinkers. But let’s point out that GWB was a Harvard Graduate and John McCain graduate next to last in his Naval Academy education. Interesting how the right wants to keep the intellectual community out of the picture. Deep questions really hurt and real thinking hurts worse. The anti-intellectual flavor of those two did certainly and would certainly have harmed this country because of their flavor of groupthink. William Buckley was considered one of the intellectuals of his day and it is ironic that he would say he would rather be ruled by neanderthals in a manner of speaking (my replacement word for the first 100 names in a telephone book!). What if, Mr. deceased Buckley, if those first 100 names had at least a dozen intellectuals among them and no neanderthals at all? The assumption was that the first 100 names in any phone book are numbskulls. It is always so easy to take potshots at the proverbial ‘they.’ Take to task a real intellectual and he’d have an argument on his hands, as would Sowell. I suppose Dr. Sowell did not get his doctorate at a legitimate university and was considered non-intellectual? Yes, Lilly, Sowell does feed the rednecks, and we must ask why? We can only speculate that he believes in Republican ideals of keeping the masses as labor energy providing a better life for the wealthy and powerful.

Sowell equates a turn toward socialism in the 30s with something bad, citing the starving of millions of Russian people were starved to death by the exporting of food instead of feeding the people. Because a totalitarian regime commandeered the socialist government does not in fact diminish the egalitarian base of socialism, it just shows that greedy and powerful can exploit and manipulate any government, including capitalistic ones like the United States. Marxism is the basis for both socialism and capitalism if one would simply read about economic systems and governmental systems. Sowell is wrong. It is a fallacious prediction that the intellectuals of today who are supporting a more socialistic economic approach in order to give equity to the wider population is an implication that democracy will be destroyed. There is such a thing as social democracy that promises to work much better than the one we have that allows a few to rule the many who are subject to being taken advantage of for the profit of the few.

A common mistake usually made is one between forms of government and economic systems. For instance, Marx’s work is used as a basis for a range of ideas from revolutionary socialism as a government structure to capitalist economic systems. I do not claim to be greatly informed about economics or governmental systems, but there is plenty of history around for one to gain a basic understanding. The success or failure of any system, governmental or economic, depends on the minds of those who rise to power and these can be of extreme differences.

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» RE: Criticism of the Intellectuals Posted by: SicfkOfBush
Ignorance has always been a useful tool
Posted by: Farasien on Nov 12, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Throughout history, ignorance has always been used as a weapon by the powerful against those they feel are beneath them. It is a tool that allows those who use it to control the reality of those it is used against. If you only know what imagery and fancy speeches tell (or really, illustrate to) you, the one doing the talking/writing are imposing a view on you that shapes your behavior towards an end they desire. Like alot of what has been happening lately, this is just a symptom of the real elite's shaping of the world to suit their own ends. The cure for the disease here is education, and the best education one of the people who are in the throes of the ignorance the author talks about is exposure, usually through shock. As I;ve said in many of my posts, people are only going to wake up-really wake up- when they are starving. You can't be lulled back into the media-induced coma without the ability to see it. When your finances have been reduced to the food or housing bill or the cable bill- or even worse, when that choice is made FOR you, your education will begin in earnest. Racism has been shown to be cancelled out in most people who still have the minimal ability to reason when faced with people they hold ignorant views about. The same is true of reality itself. A guy who is homeless and malnourished isn't going to buy into the BS the media feeds him after a few weeks of privation. Shock has a way of slapping people out of their ignorance and stupidity- this is why things are so insulated for the moment, and why, unfortunately, a great deal of education is headed the public's way very shortly.

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Some additional comments-RE: Intellectuals
Posted by: Passacaglia on Nov 12, 2008 6:04 AM   
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If they are really altruistic and egalitarian then you have a government of the people by the people, as flawed as it is democratic as in America, and in other democratically run countries even where socialism is the economic philosophy, or if not, you have totalitarian tyrannical governments, such as developed in Russia and China. The economy of countries are affected and there are a range of those systems as well. Simply put, capital, in terms of economics is any form of wealth capable of being employed in the production of more wealth. Marxist capitalism holds that eventually capitalism would destroy itself because of a “growing misery for workers as competition for profit leads to the adoption of labor-saving machinery, thus creating a huge body of unemployed. Other major schools of economics include the Classical that emphasized self-regulation to satisfy the needs of the population and self-interest rules but deep problems of allocating resources versus distributing income develop in this system. Keynesian economics created from the ideas of John Maynard Keynes, who used a rationale based on tax and spend, decrease taxes would encourage spending, or in a recession would reduce spending and increase taxes. It was a seesaw of these two ideas that keep the boat afloat. Problem here is the factor of inflation and lagging productivity.

It is not a simple matter but the crux of governments and economics is how the greatest number of people benefit under governments and their economic policies. If the population is small the problems are fewer and the percentage of those in power is smaller and effects minimized. But with a huge population of over 300 million the disproportion of personal economics becomes a huge problem when the wealth distribution becomes heavy on the top and there are massive numbers of people without the means for a decent life at the bottom. It gives a whole different meaning to bottom feeders. Big troubles brew.

So what is the trouble with being educated? More people become aware of being exploited in a shorter period of time. That presents a problem for those who would exert their greedy will and power over the less informed. What is the problem with intellectuals? They reside on both sides of issues and tend to denigrate each other. It is better to be educated than not to be able to tell the difference when one of them tries to convince a whole lemming public they ought to jump over the edge ahead of them while they lag behind and don’t jump themselves.

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It's not stupidity, it's DELUSION.
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 12, 2008 6:22 AM   
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I've met even educated people who would go out of their ways to vote Republican and I'm equally pissed at the blind Obama supporters who refuse to even take a look at his past voting record and support although I'm willing to give this man one last chance to prove himself as president that he can and will push for a change for the better. So far, the signs are not good. After all, Obama has made it clear that he wants to "reach out" to the Far Right but hasn't said a word on reaching out to even the true moderates and independents let alone the base.

Let's be honest. It's not how less educated these people are that's blinding them because I've actually seen more dropouts vying for Obama over Mccain. It's the delusion people have been sucker-punched into that's getting them to shoot themselves in the foot with glee even as they keep believing that tax cuts for the rich will also make these poor slobs "rich" as Donald Trump or that going to more reckless resource wars will somehow make them "heros" ala John Mccain. And bring up the idea of conservation, reusing, recycling, and even public transportation and they hiss, sneer, condescend, and laugh at you like a bunch of yankee self-confident snobs. And I've seen this in both "conservatives" and even supposedly "liberals" and "progressives".

Let's focus on getting people off the self-deluded express for a change and quit the dumb vs educated divide.

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Also worth considering American personality types
Posted by: Jasonix on Nov 12, 2008 6:22 AM   
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According to the Myers-Brigs Personality Assessment tests, 75 percent of Americans are extroverts, or "E." Another 75 percent are Feeling, or "F," meaning they make decisions mainly with their emotions. (By and large, E and F go together.)

The personality types that have the intellectual and temperamental qualities to lead us out of your current morass - for example, the INTJ personality type - constitute as little as 1% of the American population.

The vast bulk of the American population is wired to be make their decisions based on emotions, with little self-awareness or analytical thinking. They're wired to base their ethical values and personal beliefs on the dominant social trends they perceive around them. They are wired to be shallowly optimistic, to think themselves happy, to be energized by being part of a group, and to avoid acknowledging the seriousness of their problems.

That's who Americans are, just from a personality perspective, before even taking IQ, literacy, and other factors into account.

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» Personality tests are crap Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
Intelligence and Wisdom
Posted by: Levon on Nov 12, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Intelligence is the ability to learn and analyze facts and relationships.
Wisdom is ability to see beyond the apparent and discern the more subtle aspects of nature and human interactions.
Though they appear to be of the same source - the mind, they are of different qualities.
Hence there are physicians who are learned yet cannot can be bamboozled and there are laborers who understand that all is not as it appears.

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» RE: Intelligence and Wisdom Posted by: WyrdSister
» RE: When the mind ... Posted by: Edward George
Speaking of literacy and propaganda, the Repubs are having their way with Palin's wikipedia article
Posted by: Jasonix on Nov 12, 2008 6:48 AM   
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A number of hardcore republicans are sitting on Sarah Palin's wikipedia article and citing their "consensus" to keep embarrassing facts out of the article (Muthee, the clothing scandal, etc.). Be sure to stop by and blow their "consensus" to pieces.

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Diversity something you do not find at the university
Posted by: solrev on Nov 12, 2008 6:50 AM   
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“One America can cope with complexity and has the intellectual tools to separate illusion from truth. The other America cannot differentiate between lies and truth.” Give me a break? That is the biggest illusion of all time.

“This divide, more than race, class or gender, more than rural or urban, believer or nonbeliever, red state or blue state, has split the country into radically distinct, unbridgeable and antagonistic entities. All the other divides was not good enough for you, you have to create one so you can be top dog.” Hedges pretends to sing a different tune but it sounds like a redneck ballad to me. Here is a news flash for you, Shakespeare sucks, and I like Obie-Wan-Kanobie. We started with pictures and a picture is worth a thousand words, so if you do not mind we will stick with our pictures. So if you do not have the ability to communicate with us, why is that our problem? Democrats will not last long if they do not improve their communication skills. Hedges is not even smart enough to know you can not measure English over time. English is a street language and that is why; it is the international language, it is easy to change. Education is at a low point in our society, not because of money or stupid people, but because education is of no value. Give the young people a reason for education other than accumulating wealth and social mobility and they will come. “You ain’t going anywhere without that pigskin”, was a lie when it was being taught for to many people. Now we must reap what we have sown. “Reality is never an impediment to our advancement.” Reality is in the eye of the beholder. At least Hedges has us lowlifes to build his house, assemble his car, and pick up his garbage, and that’s reality.

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Simple explanation . . .
Posted by: newsound on Nov 12, 2008 6:54 AM   
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Actually, I thought Hedges really nailed it. For the last 8 years, I've been thinking about this very issue . . . how most Americans need the "black & white" version for everything. No subtlety . . . no grey area . . . no details. All laid out in simple, easy to grasp sound-bytes. The Bush crew has known this and played the game with outstanding results.

Want proof? Just look how long it took for Americans to say. "enough." It only took a collapsed economy, two useless wars, a pathetic and misguided response to 9/11, countless administrational blunders and a two-year election campaign to get at least 51% of the population to say that they want "change."

Of course, this "change" will be more of the same, but it is a baby step in the right direction. Yes, you can argue that this piece is a parody of itself, but the historical facts are there and it is a fundamental problem that is diminishing America's standing in the global arena.

As the Princeton Review study (and many others) has shown, the dumbing-down of America is working. What bothers me most is what the final outcome of this will be.

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» RE: Simple explanation . . . Posted by: Bibsisis
THESE PEOPLE THINK IT IS THE 60 PERCENT WHO ARE WRONG
Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Nov 12, 2008 7:08 AM   
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Many of the comments here even support the article. How does one ever convince someone who has been brainwashed that in fact they are?

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The Deliberate Creation of American Illiteracy
Posted by: Noor on Nov 12, 2008 7:09 AM   
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http://www.hermes-press.com/education_index.htm
GO HERE TO UNDERSTAND MORE! LEARN THE TRUTH OF THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE

With an illiterate, uneducated American citizenry, unable to understand their world, it's no wonder that a fascist cabal took over America.

It's no accident that schools have slowly eroded & the intelligence of the average American has become so debilitated. American learning has plummeted & public school performance has fallen since the 1950 because it was planned that way.

What goes on in society is the result of planning of its rulers; they create precisely the social, psychological, economic, & ideological conditions which will realize their goal of wealth for themselves & impoverishment for the working class.

Moneyed interests seek to demolish American traditions of democracy, plotting to destroy the enlightening "diffusion of knowledge & the free exercise of reason."

Those who place presidents, senators, & representatives in power, through the use of their fortunes, are the same interests that have deliberately destroyed education. The Rockefellers, Fords, Morgans, Browns, Harrimans, Du Ponts, et nauseum, want obedient, efficient workers, not thinkers!

"In our dream, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. THE PRESENT EDUCATIONAL CONVENTIONS fade from our minds; &, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful & responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or science. We are not to raise up from among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply." ~ Rockefeller

Beginning in the early part of the 1900's, these families began to create a pseudo-educational system which produces students unable to comprehend key concepts & factors as "freedom," "government of the people," "critical thinking," etc.

"The economic well-being of the nation depends on the presence of a large number of men who are content to labor hard all day long. Because men are naturally lazy they will not work unless forced by necessity to do so. The education of the poor threatens to rob the nation of their productivity. . . Every hour those poor people spend at their books is so much time lost to society. Going to school in comparison to working is idleness." ~ de Mandeville

As education is subverted into mere training, three essentials of intelligence are being lost:Critical thinking,Self-awareness,Critical consciousness.

We must develop a critical consciousness in all who are oppressed by this new imperialistic strategy of globalism. We're up against many obstacles: ignorant of our oppression, no solidarity among oppressed people, loss of a common tradition of democracy & human rights, indifference of oppressed people to their situation!

America is a combat zone where the War Against Intelligence is constantly being waged. Unfortunately, the rulers are winning: Americans are progressively losing ability to understand what is happening in the world around them. And sadly, many are proud of their ignorance, distrusting intelligence & calling it "elitism" as if it were a dirty thing.

We must awaken to this horror & recreate, if possible, a public education system which will become the means to transmit to future generations an understanding of the hidden meaning of events & lost democratic concepts.

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"Smart" not necessarily = "Good"
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 12, 2008 7:12 AM   
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I remember years ago listening to Sally Jesse Raphael on the radio. A woman was calling in and complaining about what an as*hole her husband was, and she couldn't understand it because he was educated, etc. etc.

Sally replied: "My first (and now ex) husband was a Harvard law school graduate. He was top of his class, president of his fraternity, had a Mensa IQ"...etc.

Then there was a pause and Sally suddenly exclaimed "... and boy was he a REAL STINKER!!!"

Remember that some of the worst Nazis were educated and informed people also.

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Code for uneducated?
Posted by: nutsack on Nov 12, 2008 5:29 AM   
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Bad headline! Educate the uneducated? Is this the new progressive mantra? Slippery slope here. Who defines educated? uneducated? If my politics (economics, cultural belief) is different from yours, am I "uneducated" in the pejorative sense?

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Ironic
Posted by: Karina on Nov 12, 2008 7:30 AM   
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It is truly ironic that this us versus them discussion about the uneducated would appear beside the headline "College Loan Slavery: Student Debt Is Getting Way Out of Hand".

Without any financial assistance, and never having had any money, some of us could not see the feasibility of undertaking tens of thousands of dollars in debt. How can you see paying all that money when you've never had any money to begin with?
Now I need to get back to reading One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

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chooses not to read or cant read..some thing
Posted by: sureshot45 on Nov 12, 2008 7:32 AM   
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'the man who does not read books has not advantage over the man who cannot read books' mark twain.

exactly. what good is an education, being able to read and process information, if you never use it? might as well have saved yourself some time, and the government some money, and dropped out of school at 8.

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Now I know..
Posted by: Romantic Violence on Nov 12, 2008 7:36 AM   
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what the cliche' 'knowledge is ignorance' means or 'ignorance is bliss'. What you do know will not only 'not hurt you' but in some instances, what you don't know will kill you.

1789

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» RE: Now I know.. Posted by: Bibsisis
I like Chris Hedges but...
Posted by: Redrum on Nov 12, 2008 8:00 AM   
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... where does he get these statistics on illiteracy in America and why didn't he cite them in the article? Personally, I don't doubt Hedges observation but he knows better to back up his assertions with concrete numbers. Right?

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» RE: I like Chris Hedges but... Posted by: VZEQICVA
Not Quite!
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Nov 12, 2008 8:02 AM   
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More like Homo Sapiens versus Neanderthals otherwise stated as final proof that Neanderthals still live among us.

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Ignorance and Ms. Palin
Posted by: rleslie66 on Nov 12, 2008 8:13 AM   
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Thought Africa was a nation, not a continent!!!

I guess public school was much better when I graduated K-12, in 1956. We took geography in grade school, and again in high school.

There is not a doubt in my mind that all 30 members of my 8th grade class, knew that Africa, was not a country.

This nation is a cesspool of ignorance.

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EXCUSE THE INTERRUPTION
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 12, 2008 8:14 AM   
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Very little is done anymore from start to finish without interruption. People seem to act more on impluse than on thinking things through. On Oct. 30 there was a re-broadcast from Drew University, Madison, NJ, of Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds". I had never heard the whole thing so I listened and it was fascinating. I was struck by the level of language, vocabulary, sentence structure and the general high tone of the presentation. Way over the heads of too many people today. It lasted almost an hour. In 1938 (the original broadcast) the average American had a sixth grade education. Most left school to earn what little they could to get throught the drpression. But 6 million people tuned in to the original broadcast. Part way through I couldn't help but wonder how much it would have to be dumbed down for today's audience. So much of the impact would be lost. No pictures, minor sound effects. It was all done with language and presentation. No interruptions. Out of 6 million listeners 1 million admitted to being frightened. It was that realistic. It still is, I couldn't believe it. But sadly, I don't believe that many Americans could pay attention for an hour and abosrb what they're hearing. I question the level of education being a major indicator of people's general intelligence. It can't be ignored, but retention, memory and the ability to organize facts for future use is necessary before anything else matters. Continuity of thought is essential to everything we do. Children in classrooms used to get squirmy once in a while, now they're disorganized and never quiet an attentive. Grown ups in offices are no better. Somehow we have to slow down and learn how to concentrate. It's a shame that a sixth grade education 70 years ago gave us smarter people than we have today coming out of colleges. Imagine how smart the well educated men and women were back then. There's no way to flip a switch, but maybe we should all just turn off all the gadgets and noise and read a good book. It's a start. Thanks, ANNA

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Not a new thing, 2.0
Posted by: Tom Tele on Nov 12, 2008 8:20 AM   
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In the late 19th century, when turn-out was highest, elections were as based on a neo-tribal identity as they are today. There were few issues in many campaigns, that is one reason the silver debate took such significance because it was a real issue with real consequences. Early democratic/ republic founding thought in the 18th century assumed that only the educated could or should vote for precisely these reasons. Plato was contemptuous of democracy for these reasons. Mr Hedges can be a illuminating writer but, this argument is as old as democracy itself. Didn't Churchill supposedly say Democracy was the worst form of government, except for all the others?

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» RE: "except for all others" Posted by: Crazy H
Religion's Role
Posted by: Crazy H on Nov 12, 2008 8:22 AM   
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Much as I'd like to believe in Religious Freedom, I cannot overlook religion's role in this:

> Religion teaches people to confuse facts and opinions.

> It teaches people to blindly follow authority without question.

> It teaches people to follow arbitrary rules.

> It teaches people that there are higher principles than those we can see with our own, two eyes.

> It teaches people to ignore science in favor of dogma.

> It teaches people to hate other people without reason.

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

There's a reason why pug-lickin's get along so well with religious types. It makes them gullible, controllable, and malleable followers of anyone who speaks with an authoritative tone. They will willfully ignore any inconvenient facts and do as they're told.

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» The sun gets my nods. Posted by: Sojourner
Stop believing the government, corp America and the parrot press
Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 12, 2008 8:27 AM   
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I suppose you could say it's a matter of intelligence or not or a matter of literacy or not but, in my opinion, a lot of it boils down to who do you trust. Personally, I trust NOTHING that ANY politician says, that includes Obama. I trust NOTHING that corporate America says. I also trust NOTHING that is just the press parroting what the government or corporate America says - which is basically all the mainstream media, and others, do these days.

Hasn't anyone learned??? The government LIES and the press repeats it. Educate yourselves, people. Read a book. Start with 'Manufacturing Consent'.

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Conservatives aren't dumb per se, just self-centered
Posted by: bnays on Nov 12, 2008 8:35 AM   
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I don’t think conservatives are as stupid as we make them out to be, They just have a much narrow worldview than liberals do. Their worldview begins and ends with their family and community, with mindless patriotism tossed in for holidays. Notice when their money started being tampered with, then they woke up and realized McCain/Palin were the wrong choice. They see issues like the wars and the environment as “well, I can’t do anything about it, so why should I care?” But when they can’t afford a new HDTV, then they rally.

My real problem is with them acting like valuing education is a bad thing. I realize they have been made to feel bad by who they call the “intellectual elite” because they did not go to college and work low paying labor jobs. But thinking it would be better to put an uneducated dolt like Bush or Palin in charge just because a smart person made you feel bad once is ridiculous. Racism also played a huge part in this. A lot of them hated Obama for his race and that just made their rage explode when the smear campaign started. You will never see people become as hateful towards a white candidate.

I also wonder how much religion plays into this. Liberals who question authority tend to be atheists or agnostic, while conservatives who tend to take things their leaders say at face value are strict Christians, where questioning is really looked down upon.

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And, you're surprised......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 12, 2008 8:38 AM   
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While Mr. Hedges does make some points about the illiteracy in America, he tries to do so simply! My granma never went past the 4th grade, however, she read newspapers, was active in voting and getting others to vote, and had a great deal of common sense! Her lack of a "formal education" in no way hampered her being able to connect the dots to see the big picture!

In American life today we the people have allowed ourselves to be distracted by: way too much tv, 30 second sound-bites, religion (as opposed to faith), an aborted education system, falling standards! As more and more "newpapers" have consolidated and many of these "journalists" have joined the "elite" ranks no one wants to really cover the news, that would require work/research/analytic processes! The 30 second image/sound-bite works so much better to get your message across, than to really believe that someone would actually read a paper!

Americans have always worked hard, so we can't blame it on the fact that we are working too hard. One of the problems is that we have become lazy, to read requires your brain to work at analyzing what you are reading! To actually think requires that use the intellect that we have been given, and that's a dangerous thing for some people! Really, does anyone even understand the dark days before the "enlightenment"? Or how about that "Inquisition", or the wars that have been waged, or justifications for slavery? All things people said were justified by God! We are supposed to be moving forward mentally /emotionally not backward!

Maybe it's because people have allowed fear to take ahold of their lives, maybe emotionally they have been stunted, whatever it is, it is crippling us as a society! We have to get out of our comfort zones! I think God by whatever name you choose to call spirit is important, however, I don't think even God wants people to behave stupidly by not thinking because how does that honor God?!

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Obama lies to illiterates?
Posted by: om santi on Nov 12, 2008 8:40 AM   
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You said Obama lies to illiterate Americans.
How about McCain, whose campaign was said as "brutal" by Sarah Palin herself (in Yahoo News yesterday)? And she said " I know much (of what is said) were lies" ?
Well, if McCain's campaign consists of many lies, paranoia impregnating (about Obama being unpatriotic, terrorist etc), sowing hatred,etc.,IF mcCain wins, maybe you WOULD SAY THAT MCCAIN DID NOT LIE TO ILLITERATE PEOPLE (who believe his tactics that Obama is a Muslim etc) TO WIN ?
YOU WOULD SAY ONLY OBAMA DOES THAT ?

Thanks to making illiterate readers who cannot discern lies or truth believe you too (how about Republican Senators or Generals endorsing Obama, maybe they are illiterate too?)

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Amusing ourselves to Death - Neil Postman
Posted by: marcd on Nov 12, 2008 8:52 AM   
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This theme is not new. It is deeply explored in Neil Postman's book - Amusing Ourselves to Death. I would recommend the book for a more thorough analysis of the effects of transition from a print based society top a image based society.

Also, as an aside, Roger Waters borrowed from this book for his album of a few years ago called Amused to Death. Good stuff.

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» Brave New World Posted by: pdxjoe
Here's the problem:
Posted by: wildbill on Nov 12, 2008 8:54 AM   
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On a daily basis I deal with friends, family and coworkers from both groups - conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats - and if the people from either group read the first paragraph, they would believe they are the well-educated, logical members of our society and those of the other group are the ones who are ignorant, delusional and easily manipulated. Some of the comments posted above seem to demonstrate this.

Maybe both groups are half-right

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It's the TV, stoopid!
Posted by: JayHaden on Nov 12, 2008 9:22 AM   
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Placing the Tube in every home as a babysitter, teacher, entertainer, political adviser, corporate shill and sales device has guaranteed that marketing techniques would clog all the major entry points into our brains. We aren't any different, physiologically or even psychologically, from our forebears of even 70 years ago. But take a look at what entertained people on the '30's and what entertains us now. It has certainly affected the way we play as kids -- an enormous influence on our learning and communication abilities.

The marketing class is an early adopter of technologies that reach and control more people. As those techologies become more complex in their race to create alternative realities -- realities as context for consumption -- costs of production increase. Even with more sophisticated tools, marketers necessarily resort to sketches, cliches, stereotypes and cartoons as the media for transmitting their stories. Cases in point: the simplicity of staging radio drama versus television productions; the cool emotion of Shorty Rogers playing on the set of Peter Gunn versus today's electronic thunka-loops, the quick response of radio news versus cumbersome TV news, our imagination romping through books versus the fencing in of our minds by TV (is that why they are called channels?).

Before TV, people were more literate as a matter of necessity. Read the letters of Civil War soldiers, many of whom had little education, and feel their feeling for language and thought. They may still have not had the intellectual tools to counteract the eloquent propagandists of the day, but they seemed to have loved the written medium for its access to ideas and information.

The difference between reading and watching TV is that the library offers the possibility of self-education. The content of TV is far too limiting to provide that option to the same degree.

I'm now afraid we have crossed the Rubicon of national learning policy with an economic stimulus that, in effect, invests us with new flat screen TVs but not new schools. For further proof see how national communication policy has systematically given away the air waves to corporations so they may sell us more crap, calling it news.

The bright spot is Studs Terkel's admonition to never give up on people. Those who write off dumbed-down America will be surprised at how intelligent people are when engaged. Maybe future energy conservation efforts will also help break the magnetic grip of TV on our ability to engage with others.

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ATH
Posted by: ATH on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 AM   
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I don't believe intelligence is as much a
"seperator" as the author makes it out to be
at all. That only happens, usually, when we're still children or teens, and usually only when the "intelligent" child is purposefully using long or difficult words around other children
whom he/she knows will not understand these words. The usual result is that the "intelligent" child, especially when male, gets his butt kicked..which makes one wonder how intelligent is the child?
I was a precocious teen. I started reading heavily around 9 years old, because I found I
truly enjoyed it, it increased my vocabulary,
and I could visit, in my mind, far-off places and have wonderful adventures that seemed to me more real than the flat pictures on the T.V. because this show was taking place in my mind, where there were no special effects limitations, or any other, for that matter. This was back in 1977-'78, too, remember.
And don't get me wrong--I still watched T.V. But the more I read, the more inane and banal seemed the shows on T.V.
I quickly found out that others didn't like to be around someone who knew the meaning of the word "internecine" or any others that were
longer than about six letters...So, I didn't
speak that way. I soon found myself realizing
that it does make one sound like a stuck-up prick to say "this will be an internecine course for us to take" rather than just saying, "this is a bad idea for all of us."
I kept the long words for my essays, and such, where they would both be understood and
were often actually neccesary to convey my meaning.
I also learned to fight.
I learned to talk to girls.
There's a lot of knowledge in the world, and
I've seen college grads. be suckered by street
hustlers and con artists. Most intellectuals wouldn't survive in the street any better than the guy on the street would fit in at an Ivy League College, right?
But if you can learn from both worlds, then
you are prepared.
What truly seperates us, and what I think will lead to true discontent, is class..it just doesn't do having these private bankers and CEOs making 35 million a year, while others aren't clearing 20 thousand! This is the
real struggle. And it's not that these people are smarter than we are, they just happen to be members to an exclusive club, and know a
few highly guarded secrets, and have money to make money. Yet, they still aren't happy. They don't want to pay their share of taxes. It's like the more money they make, the greedier they become.
I'm very well read, but I don't show off. I
speak as everyone else does, with some exceptions...I don't use double negatives, and
I still try to keep my language gramatically correct, but I don't go around using long words or trying to impress anyone.
Finally, this "dumbing down" of America is
not the fault of Americans. We have terrible schools for the most part..there's always violence...Kids these days are too busy watching their backs at many schools to lose themselves in a book. The government wants the
majority of Americans to be not just illiterate, but to not be able to employ critical thinking, because then they might see through the bullshit ALL these politicians put
out.
Our financial system will eventually collapse, and relatively soon, unless we drastically change things. This is due to the fact that we have a fiat, or unbacked, currency, and so inflation will continue to rise. Inflation is NOT the price of services and goods going up, but the purchasing power of our dollar going down. Since the FED System was adopted, our currency has been devalued by 96%. Eventually, it will be devalued by 100%.
To anyone who is interested, I recommend "The Money Masters-How International Bankers Gained Control of America."

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Lol, but...but...I just read/engage in (political) porn for the articles!
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 12, 2008 9:42 AM   
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Don't kid yourself. It's a very sad "winner versus loser" mentality that our two party system has gifted us with--by our own choice!

The focus on "getting us into power" has largely superseded "I want this ________ to happen, above all." I'd like a simplified tax code, my government the hell out of our private lives (marriage, repeal of the Patriot Act), the freedom for folks to correct their personal failures in whatever way they deem fit (abortion, bankruptcy) and returns them to a level of productivity that I struggle to achieve or higher, and equal opportunity for all. Find a demoboob or republicrat that advocates those principles, and I'll eat my hat, and post screenshots.

I voted for candidates closest to my idea of freedom and liberty, did you do the same? Happy if you did, thoughtful about why if you didn't. If you were tempted to vote Green (McKinney) did you vote demoboob because you were a'fear'd of your fellow voting McDuh? If you favored Ron Paul because of his ideas on liberty, did you vote instead for Obiden for his differences on the usefulness of perpetual wars for America? Curious questions await those that "settled", and I'm glad if you didn't. Obama marries union workers dependent on sales of SUV's nicely to Green interests; McCain marries corporate interests to christian family values equally as well...depending on your comprehension of the English language, I suppose.

We've allowed our electorate to be turned into a 'Confederacy of Dunces', by choice, and not--perhaps--by design. Duh absolute winners this time--democrats--will hopefully behave in a manner that will benefit the country more than the absolute power Duh republicans exercised. We can only hope this will happen!

But maybe this is, after all, by design, too. P.T. Barnum had a lot to say about collections of suckers.

Hail Mary for the touchdown, anyone?

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Marshall McLuhan foretold it.
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Nov 12, 2008 9:46 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

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The title issue really should be addressed
Posted by: nopuppy on Nov 12, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Illiteracy - especially functional illiteracy, of those who can read but can't comprehend fully what they read - is of course a gigantic problem in our ill-educated society.

But the title posits another huge problem that is not addressed in the essay: namely, the vast majority here who live in a fantasy world of misinformation, propaganda, and unexamined belief systems. Their problem isn't just that they have silly notions and unfactual "facts" running around in their skulls, but that they are bound and determined to hold on to those silly notions and unfactual "facts" with a death grip, because they have for some bizarre reason invested them with emotional ideas of self. Why, for instance, does a person I know become enraged if I question his statement that "illegal immigrants are draining Social Security"? When I finally convince him of the facts, he does back down (reluctantly), but he's still resentful. Why? Good grief, if I find out something I thought was wrong, I'm thrilled to get that wrong idea out of my head.
I discovered that several factoids I'd accreted about McCain and Palin were false. Well, I stopped using them as arguments (their were so many good ones, it didn't bother me at all).

This is a human problem, of course, but it has been massively aggravated in recent times in this country by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and others of their ilk, who have made hostile, angry opinion and factoids the currency of public debate; the whole thing then fed by the political propagandists who like it, because then they don't have to talk about real issues; and the media spreading it far and wide, because they like nasty crap that keeps viewers/listeners tuned in (I myself hate screaming ranting maniacs, so I don't watch/listen to that crap).

Can we bring our population back to a place where reasoned public discourse is possible? Well, maybe we can. But it will take much effort on everyone's part. And most of all, it will take the example from the top: maybe with Obama this can happen. It sure couldn't happen under an administration that profits mightily by having a populace that couldn't tell truth from lies.

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To "matti"
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 12, 2008 9:57 AM   
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"Like I wrote, Hedges is partially at fault for this."

>>>>AS I wrote.

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» RE: To "matti" Posted by: DaBear
TRAINED DOG
Posted by: cbishopp on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 AM   
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A dog, as a pet, is docile for many reasons. The first is of course because his food is given to him. The second is training. A dog never achieves "adulthood" he is permanently underdeveloped as his skills as a hunter and pack leader have been eliminated as a result of ownership.
Primarily Americans don't produce ANYTHING. In order to be fed, clothed, entertained, or to get anything else they have to go to an outside source. Few people produce their own food and everyone has a vehicle. Our homes and our appliances are powered by the grid. We need to constantly buy pills to maintain our health and so much business has become digital that we almost don't need currency anymore.
Of course this is not just America, this is now the world, this is globalization. Worldwide ownership by the producers and keepers of vital resources have trained us. Keeping our educational system barely functioning doesn't hurt either.
Smart or stupid your ability to be governed lies in your bite not your bark.

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» Get your facts straight. Posted by: yellow
» RE: Get your facts straight. Posted by: cbishopp
Who's been in control of most schools! Democrats!
Posted by: violawall on Nov 12, 2008 10:09 AM   
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We need to get back to teaching the basics and start teaching children how to think and not what to think.
Vi

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Gee, maybe there's a solution
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Nov 12, 2008 10:28 AM   
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> Obama used hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds to appeal
> to and manipulate this illiteracy and irrationalism to his advantage

Can you say "limit campaign spending"?

Somehow this little matter of six or seven hundred million dollars gets overlooked when everyone's talking about the evils of deregulation and the concomitant need to have more regulation. Somehow I don't think politicians are going to vote to place controls on themselves. And Big Media, which is the recipient of all that Big Money, is not going to do anything other than run the occasional "ain't it awful?" story.

Thanks to Obama/Emanuel, campaign finance control is dead for probably, oh, a generation. He's such a progessive who appeals to the best and brightest with high ideals...

Just in case you somehow managed to miss it, here's one of his ardent zombies.

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Stupid Americant's
Posted by: bosunj on Nov 12, 2008 10:31 AM   
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You are proving yet again why your "culture" is so foolish. The author and those commenting are all buying into the Pepsi-Coke metric. You will argue about ANYTHING and fight for nothing! Soon Ameristan will collapse under the weight of its considerable bovine excrement. Not soon enough!

GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!

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» RE: Stupid Americant's Posted by: using
Mishma
Posted by: Mishma on Nov 12, 2008 10:36 AM   
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Couldn't say it better myself. I live in a state (Utah) where wide spread ignorance and belief in talking salamanders and lost tribes of Israel is rife in the population. On top of all that the majority of the LDS faithful think they alone have the answer to life's ultimate mystery. Hard to reason with these folks-they are right up there with the Pentecostals and Jehovah's Witnesses in wackiness. Our legislators are swayed by the radical right's Eagle Forum, who among other things think that we should pull out of the United Nations. Oh and did you know sacred Utah leads our nation in the use of anti depressants? Save the planet? Who cares when in the afterlife the chosen will rule other worlds in outer space (presumably without the problems of Global Warming)? Area 51 on steroids if you ask me.

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» RE: Mishma Posted by: Lauren
Real divide is: zioni$m vs. the rest of us.
Posted by: Reader11722 on Nov 12, 2008 10:40 AM   
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Obama has already sold out. He will continue the wars forever. Mo$$ad already owns Obama (he picked Rahm Emanuel, the son of a terrorist as Chief of Staff). Obama will probably let Mossad slide on their 9/11 involvement and Obama will continue their wars. So who won? Israel did, as always.

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This piece summed up the Obama campaign/cult of personality nicely . .
Posted by: 6399 on Nov 12, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Many of you are probably nodding in agreement with this article. You're likely congratulating yourselves on belonging to that segment of the American populace which is fully literate and capable of making decisions based on something more concrete and less illusory than illustrations and mind-numbing narratives. And yet, in a painfully ironic twist of fate, an overwhelming number of you decided this last election on the merits of cheap slogans and narratives.

The author has made some very astute observations about our seemingly inherent suggestibility to infinitely malleable messages of, oh - I don't know, let's say "Hope" & "Change" or even "Original Maverick". That creepy halo that so often adorned Obama's head on magazine covers was a subtle play on feeble minded Americans who actually began to see some sort of deity embodied in a junior senator from Illinois.

In the same vein, right wingers were convinced they saw their John Wayne/Dirty Harry projections of a great (war hero) protector and terrorist killer encapsulated in the elder statesman from Arizona. Who knows what the fuck they saw in Palin? An inflatable doll and baby dispenser? Anyway, this article touches upon subjects that have not been raised since the great Marshall Mcluhan did so many years ago.

"The other America, which constitutes the majority, exists in a non-reality-based belief system. This America, dependent on skillfully manipulated images for information, has severed itself from the literate, print-based culture. It cannot differentiate between lies and truth. It is informed by simplistic, childish narratives and cliches. It is thrown into confusion by ambiguity, nuance and self-reflection."

"American political campaigns, which have learned to speak in the comforting epistemology of images, eschew real ideas and policy for cheap slogans and reassuring personal narratives. Political propaganda now masquerades as ideology. Political campaigns have become an experience. They do not require cognitive or self-critical skills. They are designed to ignite pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation. Campaigns that succeed are carefully constructed psychological instruments that manipulate fickle public moods, emotions and impulses, many of which are subliminal. They create a public ecstasy that annuls individuality and fosters a state of mindlessness."

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The Neverending Battle against Illiteracy
Posted by: pollen8 on Nov 12, 2008 11:23 AM   
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This is the same story across the planet. Even the well educated have been known to descend into these cliches and slogans to denigrate groups. Nobel Prize Laureate and DNA discoverer James Watson fell prey to the logic of the elite who espouse racial "Bell Curve" theories. They do not bother to see IQ, income and exam performance as something that is hinged on Access and Acceptance of Education, instead relying on the cheap cliche of racial difference. If we can reLiterate our nation and give them access to the tools of critical thinking then we will have a much more functional democracy. As it is now, you can practically buy votes through propaganda and peer pressure. My suggestion in all of this is to re-initiate and fully fund awesome programs like Teach for America and recreate a culture of Literacy and a passion for thinking. We should host our own National Nobel Prizes, we should get people as excited about intellectual pursuits as they are about NASCAR. THAT would be change for the better.

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I don't buy books
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 12, 2008 11:55 AM   
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"Eighty percent of the families in the United States last year did not buy a book."

Neither did I. I go to the library. You speak of "reason", and then suggest that we should pay for something we can get for free? Heh! :-)

Maybe we don't read as much as we should, but this figure doesn't say anything about that.

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» RE: I don't buy books Posted by: Beck
Alternet "readers" are just as susceptible to propaganda
Posted by: leighsure on Nov 12, 2008 12:25 PM   
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Going through the posts for this article, I see a number of people who have read the article, but seem not to understand its main points. I also see more than the usual numbers of posts that are in the semi-literate category, with a demonstrable lack of spelling and grammar skills.
I believe that our corporate-hijacked culture is responsible for the message that words and ideas are less important than image and passion. If you can't take the time to provide a model for what civil discourse and debate should look like, then you can expect to have no effect on the headlong rush to the near total devaluation of education and reason. Words have meaning and power, but if people and corporations continue to warp, bend and co-opt them, you can kiss any hope of a democracy that requires a well-informed electorate goodbye.

Stand up for reason by being reasonable.

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Saw this in the election
Posted by: Juven on Nov 12, 2008 12:48 PM   
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Imagine hope
Change Now
Country first
Yes we can

Mindless chanting of idiotic slogans that mean nothing. What does "Imagine Hope" mean?
Imagine=abatract concept
Hope=abstract concept
=nothing.

No thought required-- Yes we can...
Can what?


Heard this in Obama's speech: "the cause"
What cause?
And Obama is going to lead us "there"-- Where the hell is "there"?

like mass hypnosis...

I guess it can only get worse if two million people more who are iliterate are being added to the population every year.

With the no child left behind act, which encourages reading through a program called AR, and rewards the students points for passing shallow quizes on the texts that have been choosen for the progrqam, and those with the highest points are given parties where the kids drink soft drinks and watch, duh duh, films... great reward.

My family is most certainly in the 20 percent who buys books and I better make sure to pass this love and ability to my children...

Sad times in the U.S.

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» RE:Slogans for some reason for others Posted by: Edward George
Human Stupidity
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 12, 2008 1:03 PM   
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Einstein once said (I paraphrase) "There are two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity ... and I'm not so sure about the universe."
I believe this is not literate vs illiterate. I believe it is those who know what they are doing vs those who do not. Of course this is highly subjective and a moving target. Book learning does not equate to intelligence. I am afraid that those who cannot think for themselves are going to doom everyone.

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Take a trip back 100 years
Posted by: shaynafay on Nov 12, 2008 1:34 PM   
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Go back 100 years and you will find a similar society. Did we think that with mandatory public schools that anything would be different? There are always going to be the semi-literate, because we have the freedom of choice. Parents can choose to homeschool and brainwash their tikes; parents will still choose to allow their adolescent children become truant; school districts will choose to allow semi-literate children to graduate - or just leave - high school. Remember Tamminy Hall - if you can read the history book in 11th grade!

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» Don't look to USA for good schooling Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
empty repetition leading everyone away from doing what's necessary
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 12, 2008 2:03 PM   
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Political campaigns have become an experience. They do not require cognitive or self-critical skills. They are designed to ignite pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation. Campaigns that succeed are carefully constructed psychological instruments that manipulate fickle public moods, emotions and impulses, many of which are subliminal.

This is precisely what I was feeling frustrated about as I listened to McKinney's campaign that hammered away at substance, actually defining what "hope" and "change" meant to a dwindling audience while Obama merely said the words without articulating anything vis-a-vis their meaning and yet attracting mammoth interest... it was like the flip side of Bush-the-Chimp's prattling about "9/11," "terrizm," "mission accomplish'," etc. and people cheered like those moronic repetitions meant volumes. "Hope," "change,"... blabbaty blah blah, emptiness.

damn there are days when I really feel sickened by 'Merkuh, the Land of the Stoopid.

This is what one-size-fits-all, NOCLB, standards-based eddicashun bestows upon a nation. My grandfather used to say, "If you wanna be smart, you gotta know where those facts and figures come from. Ignore the concepts at your peril. If you only learn the facts and figures you'll look good, but looking good never fixed things, never solved problems and sure as hell never did anyone any good worth a damn."

So we have a nation of "hopefuls" after 8 devastating years of extreme stoopidity who are going to produce... well, just a nicer version or the same craptasm that got us here. Meanwhile the solutions to real issues and problems are buried into the bosoms of the literati. No nerds, please. No artists please. No intellectuals, please. No leaders, please...unless they're the kind who can make their owning-class massas lots of cash.

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...and now, on to sports
Posted by: Crazy H on Nov 12, 2008 2:40 PM   
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I wonder how much our fascination with sports has to do with this sad state of affairs?

In today's high schools and colleges, the jocks still rule. Brawn is emphasized over brain. Chess, debate, and the Honor Society are all marginalized. The dean's list may be published, but gets nowhere near the press that a touchdown pass does.

A pro athlete makes an order of magnitude more than a doctor or university president.

Is this a reflection of our actual values, or is it the modern equivalent of bread & circuses? Foisted upon us by the PTB and reinforced by the MSM?

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» RE: ...and now, on to sports Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: ...and now, on to sports Posted by: Dankhank
Sloppy by Hedges, not AN
Posted by: spike107 on Nov 12, 2008 2:46 PM   
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I don't buy this interpretation, despite the obvious (barely discussed) erosion/crowding-out of print literacy since the rise of TV.

For one thing, the upper class continues to prefer its own short-term interests to reality, and, hence, to display far worse political preferences than any other group. I also think downtrodden women are actually pretty intelligent as a group, despite their lack of cultural assets. Men are the second-rank douchebags, if you want to go there. And I think that cuts across educational lines, too. Upper-class men are a disaster, intellectually and politically.

I also think it's pretty close to scandalously unfair to say that the ignorati have "severed [themselves] from the literate, print-based culture." When were they ever tied into it in the first place? Our schools weren't exactly egalitarian when TV came onto the scene, and still are not -- not by a long shot.

And, as James W. Loewen shows in _Lies My Teacher Told Me_, what has passed for a good schooling in this immensely propagandized madhouse hasn't exactly been what you'd call "reality-based," even when highly literate in technical terms.

Hedges is throwing darts on this one...

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Ignorant, illiterate and insular are all different
Posted by: nfamous on Nov 12, 2008 4:33 PM   
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Mr Hedges makes a very good general point. That point is that illiterate and semi-literate people are more apt to make emotional and visceral choices because they do not possess the tools to do otherwise. What he omits from this discussion is that the literate can make visceral decisions too based purely on emotion. They don't do it nearly as often as the illiterate do though.

Furthermore illiteracy alone isn't enough to guarantee this self-destructive behavior of voting against one's interest. The people are usually from insular communities and small towns where there is a common set of beliefs that are never questionned. Those people may or may not be illiterate but there is tremendous pressure on them to conform to the behavior of others.

These people need something to feel proud of since educated liberals people are always making fun of them. They hate that and liberals should stop that. Intelligent people are not worth more than unintelligent people as humans. We are worth more to corporations because we have value to them but being intelligent and educated does not increase one's inherent value to society. Perhaps it makes you think it does but in reality it doesn't.

These insular small town folks stick together against what they see is the corrupted outside world of big city life. They don't want to hear about others' opinions or be tolerant of other views because they aren't used to that. To them we are the enemy and it is very easy to get them to blame blacks and Mexicans for their problems when it is really corporations and the elite screwing them over.

The question really is how much time and effort are we going to spend trying to change these people? If they are illiterate or uneducated or both then it is going to be even difficult at best to communicate with them because they respond to images and code words. I don't want to call them Pavlovian but in fact they are. I don't think liberals want to get into the game of reconditioning brainwashed people to be brainwashed in our favor. If we do that we are no better than Republicans. These people have to wake themselves up or forever remain asleep.

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Pretty simple
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Nov 12, 2008 4:39 PM   
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anyone who says they are trying to help you is selling something. I have friends,and I pick them. Oh,and If you think jesus is coming,well....just stand on the corner and see how long it takes.

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Plenty of naive liberals, too.
Posted by: ece421 on Nov 12, 2008 6:13 PM   
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This article has an inane, arrogant, self-serving attitude that a lot of people believe liberals are superior to conservatives, in their educational values. I know several well-educated conservatives that question both sides equally and have advanced degrees in science. I also my fair share of naive, stupid uneducated liberals that will believe anything you tell them as long as it fits their agenda but not fact.

They are as common as "greenies" who believe they are better than everyone else, even though they take trips around the world three times a year, tripling their "carbon footprint".

To imply that conservatives are somehow inferior in education to liberals is elitist and wrong.

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The Eloi and the Moorlocks
Posted by: willymack on Nov 12, 2008 6:27 PM   
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H.G. Wells was on to something when he wrote "The Time Machine". He was clever enough to place the story in a distant future, but I get the feeling he was predicting something was going to happen much sooner than 100,000 years hence. The cannibalistic Moorlocks are, of course the predatory Capitalists, and the Eloi the uneducated masses. The Moorlocks are grotesque parodies of human beings who (like roaches) prefer to stay in the shadows while doing their destructive work. The Eloi are fed Twinkies, Kool Aid, and Spam, and have long ago lost the ability to THINK, as they watch cheap cartoons, "reality" shows and "quiz" shows. They spew obscenities and vile imprecations at mass gatherings in true Pablovian fashion, when ordered to do so by strategically placed goons. They'll all be devoured later by the cannibalistic Moorlocks.

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» RE: The Eloi and the Moorlocks Posted by: TheNamelessCity
» RE: The Eloi and the Moorlocks Posted by: craighorowitz
Any middle ground here?,
Posted by: yale on Nov 12, 2008 8:52 PM   
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or are we hellbent on staying in our little corners, communicating only with those who are in our degree of intellectualism?

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» RE: Any middle ground here?, Posted by: VZEQICVA
There are two kinds of people ...
Posted by: oleson on Nov 13, 2008 12:13 AM   
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those who divide humanity into two kinds of people and those who don't.

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» RE: There are two kinds of people ... Posted by: craighorowitz
The smug is so thick in here you can't hardly see
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 AM   
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I am no elephant hugger, but I have to laugh at some of the comments. Apparently some of the smug fuckers on here think that the article was shooting at someone else...

Not all democrats are college educated metrosexuals with 190 IQs. The great intellectual hotbeds of DC, Detroit, New Orleans, and many other similarly depressed areas are consistently bright blue.
Likewise not all of us country folks are bush kin or trailer trash either. Some of us hold stock brokers licenses, went to school, run our own businesses, have houses without wheels, and even take the blue pill come election day.

Here is a fun thought though.. Ask anyone if they know what the federalist papers are. I win a lot of drinks when no one down the bar has ever heard of them.

If you haven't a thorough working knowledge of them, loose the smug. You are not qualified to submit an educated vote or political opinion without a working knowledge of the basic elements that are the foundation of our constitution and country. It is like trying to do cubed roots without knowing addition.

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Where's the news?
Posted by: the baron on Nov 13, 2008 9:09 AM   
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So is this from the writer's personal blog or what; this is a rant not news. The education situation in this country has been a topic of discussion for decades. The only new information is the updated data; nothing in this article is putting into perspective the social issues of this problem and how to address them.

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Further evidence
Posted by: FundamentallyFlawed on Nov 13, 2008 9:49 AM   
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I've been making a hobby of collecting the "wisdom" of marriage-equality opponents....

Fundamentally Flawed: Straight-Up Stupidity from Supporters of Prop 8

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See same-date Franken article for mutual contradiction
Posted by: Wichita on Nov 13, 2008 10:17 AM   
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The Alternet article just above this red-blue-illiterate-literate article argues that Al Franken will be elected Minnesota senator through a hand recount because less literate voters tend to make the most mistakes on their ballots, mistakes that can be detected and straightened out by hand recount. In this contest, the most mistakes are predicted to be by poor, black, and Democratic voters, who probably will carry Franken. So illiterate is poor, black and Democrat!
Then this article, the very next in the posting, argues that illiterate voters, instead, tend to be gullible, white Republicans! One distinction we can verify is that college-educated voters are more likely to be at least liberal than those with only high school education. But that's probably the only sure mark.
And it's a mistake to start calling Republican voters lazy, illiterate, stupid. They are enmeshed in their ideologies to the point of not being able to hear "us," but I think there are many lefties in the same blindness. Thomas Frank probably has more insight into the real distinctions: see What's the Matter with Kansas among others.
Moreover, if we really believe they are mistaken, calling them names won't help us in persuasive communication.
I especially deplore the threads that make the assumption that most home-schoolers are reactionary. I admire many friends who have chosen home schooling and their extremely liberal, free-thinking, focussed children.
Any short article that seeks to account for ideology only through quick rough categorizations will probably fail to recognize the complexity of social ideologies.
Wichita

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A Less Cynical View
Posted by: Mandelbrot on Nov 13, 2008 10:18 AM   
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It is easy to interpret societal trends such as debating political campaigns in simpler language as a regression of cognition. I propose a more optimistic view.

In the 18th century, perhaps Voltaire was the most famous man among those who read. But then very, very few even new their letters. The Lincoln-Douglas debates were a defining moment in the political thought of America. But they were delivered to an electorate that had to pass literacy tests to vote in the first place. What we are seeing now, rather than the dumbing of society, is an expansion of societal discourse, where all voices are joining the debate, even those who don't understand what proper debate is.

We certainly have a long way to go. I, too, wish that political campaigns could be based on rationally developed ideas, rather than slogans. But to do this, we would regress to a time when a large portion of the country was simply ignored by those who ruled them. We must take the next step as a country to embrace education, so that our discourse may include all members and be held at a cerebral level rather than an instinctual level.

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Amusing ourselves to death......1984 vs BraveNewWorld
Posted by: 24&somuchmore on Nov 13, 2008 1:07 PM   
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I am leaning towards Huxley's viewpoint -

Social critic Neil Postman contrasts the worlds of 1984 and Brave New World in the foreword of his 1986 book Amusing Ourselves to Death. He writes:

What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.

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AMEN!
Posted by: mike montagne on Nov 13, 2008 5:32 PM   
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ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC ARTICLE.

Haven't had such a good read since... maybe Spooner?

THANK YOU!

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Naming Names and Pointing Specific Fingers
Posted by: atritium on Nov 13, 2008 10:55 PM   
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So many posters think the author is referring to "the other guy". Consider who holds these beliefs:

1."There are no absolutes".
The statement claims absolute knowledge while saying there is none, thus contradicts itself. Are there no absolutes or are there people who PREFER there be no absolutes, so they can do what they want?

2."We can't know anything with certainty".
Except, it seems, this one belief. Which, as an example, is self-refuting and meaningless. It asserts an absolute truth it claims one is not possible. Just tangled words.

3."There is no truth".
If true, the statement is an example contradicting it's assertion. Another impossible idea that excludes itself.

4."Only empirically verifiable/falsifiable statements have any meaning".
This idea cannot be verified and says it can't simply be assumed true. It is thus impossible.

5. Capitalism vs. collectivism. Capitalism recognizes no central organizing committee can have enough information to make proper choices, even if there was consensus on what the proper decisions are.

Capitalism allocates the decisions to hundreds of millions of deciders who optimize decisions based on their situation, for which they DO have information on. No central committe, Federal Reserve, President, or Congress can match that performance over years.

Taxation is slavery; we spend about 50% of the year working for the government, to pay all the state federal and sales taxes. Everytime that increases toward 100%, we move closer to a slave society.

6. Homosexuality is advocated with the argument it is enlightened to think what consenting adults do is fine, as long as no one is hurt.

So it can be asked WHY there is a limit regarding no one being hurt? Who are you to impose those morals on me? If I want to hurt someone, who are you to impose your moral code on me?

Far from the literate/illiterate divide the author talks about, which does have some application, people spend $50K a year to send their kids to Ivy League school to be educated in the beliefs described above, which can't even be phrased without contradiction by the end of the sentence.

I sit at tables with PH.Ds who repeat the beliefs above, convinced of their brilliance and enlightenment, and within seconds leave them red-faced and stammering, when they recognize the gibberish they have incorporated ...

The public has elected as President someone for which they know little. Obama has not released state senate records in Illinois, medical records, college records, or an original birth certificate.

He seems to have been born in Hawaii, but nobody knows where. It's not clear who his father is (there are a couple candidates), and his US citizenship status is murky. As recently as Columbia law school aid applications, he indicated his religion was Islam and citizenship Kenyan.

He has said he chose his friends carefully to be "Marxists" and "post- structural feminists". Both are radically opposed to the US. He has had extensive interaction with terrorists and has not distanced himself from them.

He sat for 20 years in Rev. Wrights church listening to viciously anti-American "sermons" ("God damn America!") and didn't have a problem with it until found out while running for president.

His wife has said this was "the first time I've ever been proud of America" (i.e., when people voted for him). He has spoken in disparaging, bigoted terms of small-town Americans and "their religion" and guns.

His favorite reading material includes books welcoming the decline of American power, like "The Post-American World".

Despite this, a majority of the people who voted for him think of him as a moderate who is going to reduce their taxes.

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» wow...deep, man:) Posted by: mjglow
» RE: wow...deep, man:) Posted by: atritium
Lay off Obama
Posted by: Faded Green on Nov 13, 2008 11:38 PM   
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During the Clinton era I worked for Nader. I always admired Nader for all he did for Americans. Not so now that Nader has attacked Obama in a racist manner not once but twice. It does not seem to phase the Naderites either, they follow suit attacking progressives too. Chris Hedges, a Nader supporter wrote the article so he could attack Obama and other Naderites put the Nader website in reply comments. I am sorry that Nader was banned from the debates, but when he sued, why didn't he sue for more than $1? Then perhaps people would have taken notice. My suggestion to Nader and fans is to work together with other progressives and to work for Instant Run Off Voting. PS: Mr. Hedges it is the OPINIONATED people who want to CONTROL and MANIPULATE others who are the non-issue hot-button voters. It matters not whether they are educated or not - they just want to control and are very authoritarian.

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» RE: Lay off Obama Posted by: Beck
this article cites no reference for the 42 million illiterate
Posted by: critic1 on Nov 14, 2008 2:52 AM   
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One of the statistics presented as foundation for the scale of the literacy question doesn't appear to have *any* cited reference. The only thing I can find that comes close to supporting that number is the *1992* National Adult Literacy survey, the primary summary
of which appears to be http://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93275.pdf

That merely says "Translated into population terms, between 40 and 44 million adults nationwide demonstrated skills in the
lowest literacy level defined."

The term "lowest literacy level" doesn't really match the dictionary definition of "illiteracy". The term that Mr. Hedges is searching for is probably functional illiteracy.

I'd also point out that if this is the data he's making this assertion from, then 1992 strikes me as rather long ago. There is a 2003 NALS survey (which may well be worse) which is probably more appropriate.

In any case, this article needs to be amended to cite the primary source and clarify which definition of illiteracy he's referring to.

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Religion a major offender.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 14, 2008 5:47 AM   
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Contemplate that most religions focus ones mind on the irrational; train one to ignore the facts and produce a "mind set" which seeks illusion.

Logic and religion cannot coexist. This philosophies are exclusive of each other.

One deals within the natural and rational; the other exists within the supernatural and irrational.

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» RE: Religion a major offender. Posted by: atritium
» RE: Religion a major offender. Posted by: atritium
Self-IMPOSED IGNORANCE
Posted by: SEDGFLD on Nov 14, 2008 7:45 AM   
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A lot of what was said rings true but there are also a lot of educated people who engage in voluntary ignorance. They do this for a variety of reasons including ego, greed, hatred, and selfishness.
It's no longer just what we used to look at as being "educated" because an educated person can be a fool when it comes to common sense and a non-educated person, in the traditional sense, can have common sense.

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Object
Posted by: rkudasik on Nov 14, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Great post. It is an interesting concept, and for the most part I agree with it. I want to examine it more.

I do take objection to your statement that the "Christian Right" are the primary audience that is falling into an image based society.

I consider myself a Christian. As in, I follow the Nicean Creed. However, I do not consider myself on the "Right."

My friends are christians as I am. As I try to be, they are incredibly literate. They reason. They debate. They question. I don't think it's fair to say that it's the christian right that is illiterate.

You say it's not income that is dividing the nation. I would disagree. I think that the "illiterate" are largely so because of money. They can't afford school. They are born into an environment that doesn't value education.

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The Close Correlation
Posted by: freegirard on Nov 15, 2008 2:22 PM   
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Mr. Hedges forgot to mention that the 42% of the illiterate and semi-literate have a nearly one-to-one correspondence with the 40% of Americans who pay no income tax to the IRS.

Two hundred years ago, Jefferson pointed out the the integral relationship with maintaining our democratic experiment, and education. President Obama and the rest of the government--and that includes We the People--need to put this near the top of our priority list.

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this is done on purpose, it is political
Posted by: l_double_e on Nov 15, 2008 6:03 PM   
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even college educated people are not taught to critically think. College graduates pay for a certificate, no different from a hand washing certificate at a fast food restaurant training class. It is a control system. Even in high school, most of the kids in the honors/gifted programs are the children of money; most of them are stupid. The measure for success in this country is based on how much you can buy. Who needs happiness when you can watch a new episode of the Office? I've met Ivy League graduates who just reiterate what they were socialized to spew out or what they wrote down while taking notes in class. The ones in charge of the wealth in this country do not want a citizenry that questions the status quo; that's why typically the top 1% is against increasing school spending, or free college. If more people questioned what is wrong, they might try to change it.

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THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR RUDE ADVERTISEMENT. THAT WAS SIMPLY NOT
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 15, 2008 8:05 PM   
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the subject at hand. I'm not sure that this post should not be removed editorially.

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I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT OUR WRITER IS WRONG. BUT I FEAR THAT
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 15, 2008 8:33 PM   
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he is right. The battle between oral knowledge and written knowledge is not new. Socrates believed that ideas needed the spark of life provided by active dialogue. Plato wrote him down. It was the ultimate putdown.

Education doesn't create thinkers. Thinkers are where you find them. Thinkers find education convenient. Otherwise you spend your life inventing that idea or thing that has already been invented.

In the last 24 hours a gentlemen with a 6th grade education made this observation to me. As the price of oil drops the pressure to achieve alternate sources of also drops. His suggestion was that, perhaps, this was not entirely an accident. Monopolists always feel the need to protect their monopoly.

Bush and the NEOCONS were adamant about any oversight of the commodity markets. If the oil companies took their profits and bid up the international price of oil with them, the oil companies could still contend that the price of oil went up because of demand. They just misled you a little on who supplied the demand.

T. Boone Pickens has already backed down on the commercial viability of his wind farm. The compressed natural gas automobile is also a nonstarter. There is not enough profit to build the CNG filling stations. The foreign energy guys are already breaking our locals. The real question is whether energy self sufficiency can overcome orchestrated bargains.

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THE MARCHING MORONS
Posted by: craighorowitz on Nov 16, 2008 4:40 AM   
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In 1951 C.M. Kornbluth wrote a short story called the Marching Morons. Pretty much everything he satirized in that story have come to pass. But as a psychologist who has studied history and most of the "ologies" I would posit that our current situation is not new at all. People have been led by superstition, rumor, belief (instead of evidence) for millenia. The lumpen proletariat have ALWAYS far out-numbered the intellectuals and as Kornbluth predicted, it is a small outpost of scientists who will be burdened with the care and feeding of the billions. How is that any different than any time in history?
I better keep this post short, over 300 words and no one will read it.

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overwhelming and bleak
Posted by: mim.k on Nov 16, 2008 8:59 AM   
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In a way, I feel tht the article is condescending and elitist, but in many ways the reality of what's been going on in our nation does seem to support what it says. Here in Connecticut, I'm lucky enough to be surrounded by people from all walks of life, ethnicity, race, economic status who have been educating themselves on what's going on through discussion and alternative media. But judging by the past two elections, and the lack of total landslide in this election, there does seem to be a completely opposite mindset of people in our country that threatens every honest movement
towards effective leadership and solutions. It is very frightening that we probably are in a no win situation, even though we have accomplished the task of finally electing a sane, intelligent leader with integrity. Our task will be to learn how to embrace those minds and bring them back to honesty, reflection, and the act of independent thinking. How do we do it?

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Re: “Forget Red vs. Blue—It’s the Educated vs. People Easily Fooled by Propaganda.”
Posted by: churi on Nov 16, 2008 6:03 PM   
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Dear Mr. Hedges,

Someone sent us an article written by you titled “Forget Red vs. Blue—It’s the Educated vs. People Easily Fooled by Propaganda.” An extremely well written piece making a number of very pertinent and seldom mentioned points.

I’m an eighty-two year old Canadian of Eastern European origins and I’m still troubled by terms such as “educated,” “literate,” “intellectual” vs. the illiterate or barely literate.

Perhaps my confusion springs from by basic belief that both the much vaunted “Intelligence” as well as “Education” are just powerful and potentially deadly forces but nothing else. Not unlike, for instance, another life or death force: electricity. Plug into an electrical outlet a hospital’s life-supporting machine and it will save a child’s life. Plug into the same outlet a penitentiary’s electric chair and it will just as efficiently fry a man. Or perhaps nuclear energy, which could either fuel a spacecraft, sending it into space, light up an entire city, or pulverize one in one blast. Just forces to be controlled and guided by human values higher than intelligence. They are totally devoid of natural instincts and insight, morality, principles, ethics and plain common sense. They are just forces that can uncaringly and indifferently swing either way.

How high was the IQ of certain historical personalities such as the ancient Greek and Roman philosophers and writers, characters like Moses, Jesus, Buddha or Maimonides, compared to individuals like Nero, Caligula, Genghis Khan, Marquis de Sade or Adolf Hitler. Impossible to know, but most likely they all enjoyed IQs of geniuses. The actions they took were determined not by their intelligence but by the additional “ingredients” mentioned above, or the lack of them.

It seems that too much emphasis was and is still placed on our two contemporary “holy cows”: intelligence and education. How much education and literacy did Jesus, a simple carpenter, or Hitler, a lowly house painter, possess? Probably not much, yet their messages and their impact were diametrically opposite. The problem is that with all our past and present intelligence and education, we still only have questions—clever questions, brilliant questions, witty, ordinary, plain and simple or just stupid questions. But the world thirsts for answers.

How profound and challenging was Shakespeare’s literate question, “To be or not to be?” compared to that of an illiterate peasant who, puzzled by life’s inconsistencies, would swear “What the fuck is this life all about?” Crude? Vulgar? To be sure, but basically the same question that Shakespeare asked.

I believe, dear Mr. Hedges, that the real answers lay far ahead of our present evolutionary stage, and until we find them, if ever, we’ll have to be content with the temporary Band-aids of education and literacy, irrespective of how poorly taught and used they are, and all the baggage that comes with them such as the ones your elucidated in your article: manipulations, clichés, ambiguities and emotionally charged mass “decisions” based on cheap slogans.

I hope I didn’t depress you too much.

Any comments?

Sincerely,

Ed Binder
churi1001@gmail.com

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Be glad. Be very glad.
Posted by: Bill in Detroit on Nov 16, 2008 7:45 PM   
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Because, if Americans were not so disturbingly illiterate, they would catch on to what has happened to them.

As it is, most are only vaguely disturbed about the cameras on the freeways and the 'sensors' under the pavement. Might those sensors actually be capable of disabling a vehicle engine with a pulse of EMR? Might those cameras actually be capable of performing a retinal scan? That's what my technical friends who have installed these systems have claimed for them.

Might those capacities be used to chill all dissent from whatever source is not in power at the moment and to insure that the seat of power never again changes?

It takes a very smart person to figure the engineering on this stuff out and an equally (liberal arts, this time) smart army of 'social planners' to sell the public on the need for constant surveillance. The twin towers tragedy was only part of an ongoing sales pitch. The lives of those who died had no significance to those who planned that attack because they, like you, felt superior to "ordinary" men.

Get off your high-horse, buck-oo.

It was smart, highly literate, people who figured out how to get energy out of the atom, first for bombs and latterly for electrical energy. Smart people who decided to let the civil wars rage in Africa. Smart people who actually turned away trucks loaded with aid from New Orleans after Katrina. Smart people who stole the Hawaiian Islands from the Hawaiians and all but wiped out the native American population in their greed.

Illiterates may have pulled the triggers, but literates pulled the strings.

Pray, my arrogant friend. Pray that the illiterate never find out what the literate have done to them.

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A puzzle with many peices
Posted by: Shey on Nov 17, 2008 1:13 AM   
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I don't see how the functional illiteracy of a frightening number of Americans can be disputed, although I mistrust the statistics. "Intelligence" is the sum total of a number of components, and should not be measured by "higher education" plus I.Q.
Perception and awareness are the higher octaves of simple "knowledge of facts", and how difficult is it to get people to even agree about what constitutes a fact?

I basically agree with those who believe that religion has a role in skewing perception of factual reality (however you define that) but no one is making a distinction between organized religion and spirituality, or even between those who believe in organized religion but understand that it's precepts are metaphors, and those who claim to believe "literally" (which is absurd, because if they really lived that claim, they'd have to be in favor of slavery, stoning to death for theft, women and men sitting on opposite sides of the aisle in houses of worship and that coveting your neighbor's ass (as in his/her SUV, not the anatomical ass) is one of the ten worst "sins" of which humanity is capable, to name just a few of those absurdities.

A huge piece of the puzzle is that children aren't taught to focus and concentrate on seeing an idea through to a conclusion. They are bombarded with TV (and worst of all commercials, which have perfected the art of brainwashing) and video games. Parents who are affluent enough are told (again, by commercials) that if they really love their children, they wont deprive them of a DVD player for the back seat of the family car, when the exact opposite is true. Because that DVD player in the backseat - or allowing kids to play video games and utilize other distractions while on that family outing, are depriving kids of the experience of observing the world going by around them, and discussing what they observe with the adults in the front seat (who are probably talking on a cell or texting).
So we breed hyper-active children with a ninety second attention span, then we diagnose them with ADD and put them on drugs (thereby enriching the bloated pharmaceutical industry). The drugs numb their inquiring little minds and when they grow up, they're like Neo in The Matrix. They know something is very wrong, they just can't identify exactly what it is.
So they get depressed and (as per directed, once again, by TV commercials and other forms of ubiquitous advertising) turn to more pharmaceuticals, rather than trying to analyze and work out solutions for their problems.

So we have the perfect short attention span, pharmed-out consumer society. Except that it's now collapsing all around us.
Cheers.

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Another Take - Stupidity Cult
Posted by: Beecher on Nov 18, 2008 10:06 AM   
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Most people who try to figure out what is going on in politics, whether pundits or politicos miss a significant factor.

Politics is not rational. It is about the human attempt to be rational, but it isn't, at root. What makes it so compelling is that it is the nexus of all our deepest, inarticulable desires and dreams, emotions, and our best attempts to work those into some way of creating agreements with other human beings. Ultimately, this is a fantastically farcical enterprise with great potential for transcendance and tragedy.

There is not a lot of difference between a Survivor type reality TV show and electing someone to public office. To some extent, whoever is elected needs to be capable of being on the national TV show.

That is legitimate in the sense that public life is a communal myth play. Most citizens are not on stage, but instead are part of a large audience. People on stage are there because they have been elected, but also because they somehow fit into the structure of the play.

We respond to this because it resonates.

As I was on the phone with undecided voters, and canvassing door to door for Obama during the campaign, I noticed an interesting behavior. I would encounter someone who said they were undecided. I would ask them if they had any issues of particular interest to them and they would say no. They might say they didn't feel they had enough information. I would ask them if they would like a website to look at, some source for info. They would say no.

This would be very frustrating from a rationalist point of view! But we have different types of intelligence. Some people are more genuinely intuitive and are trying to get a feel on some level. This is like the old saw about art: can't define it, but know it when we see it.

One of the traps a lot of people fall into, and this election cycle was a good example, is that there is a cult of stupidity.

Intelligent and well educated people, with worldly experience can opt to belong to the cult of stupidity. It is actually a popular and traditional theme in American life.

Mark Twain was able to simultaneously satirize and appeal to this side of the American mind. Reagan was sincerely leading a vision of America the stupid as a comfortable place to yearn for. Bush sought to continue that yearning.

Perhaps when John Kennedy was assassinated, and then Martin Luther King, and then Bobby - on the verge of getting nominated for president; that caused a shift. People didn't want to stick their heads up and be seen as too unconforming, too smart.

This caused the Democratic Party a loss of intellectuality, and a loss of political vigor and courage - coincidental with the rise of the political consultant and computer data processing, polling and all the rest.

It is interesting that Obama gets compared to Kennedy here and there. Perhaps having an intelligent and vigorous young president for the first time since JFK may herald a new fashionability for intellectualism and a going out of fashion of stupidity.

That would be nice.

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Polling Obama Voters
Posted by: atritium on Nov 18, 2008 6:15 PM   
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http://www.breitbart.tv/html/223033.html

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1641

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Polling Obama Voters
Posted by: atritium on Nov 18, 2008 6:59 PM   
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Video ...
Write-up ...

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Explaining Gullibility
Posted by: ppatt on Nov 20, 2008 6:06 PM   
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There is a tremendous need to find a pattern that explains a form of unquestioningly gullible loyalty that has in hindsight become apparent. The search for simple, conlcusive explanations almost seems gullible in itself as if anything that happens can be attributed to a single cause.

So let me throw out yet another but with the caveat that it in now was constitutes any overarching explanation.

Psychologist Jonathan Haidt refers to openness to experience as a measure of political inclination. He suggests that this quality of openness to experience offers a scale on which liberals measure consistently higher and conservatives lower. "Open" individuals have an affinity for liberal, left-wing ideas and "closed" individuals have an affinity for conservative, right-wing ideas.

Those rating high for openness to experience crave novelty, variety, diversity, travel, and new ideas. Those rating lower tend to like things that are familiar and dependable. This is why artists are different from accountants and why anybody would eat at Applebys but not anyone you know. This is why, after knowing what type of individual is being considered that you might also accurately guess what kinds of foods they eat and books they read.

There is also a difference between stupidity and ignorance. But it is a basic human weakness to, aside from intelligence and knowledge, abide by the best explanation possible regardless of how flawed and full of holes it migth be, when there is no other that resonates with "known" truth.

Of course ignorance exacerbates the tendency to lunge at what scant explanations can be gleaned or even opportunistic indirections and misdirections of politicians or media pundits with their own agenda. Sadly we lack respected forums in search of facts and willing to intelligently consider the impact (not just to a single group but to all) of policies that take the facts into account.

And of course, without sufficient knowledge fallacious rhetoric can compete on equal terms with fact-based analysis.

There are many crises -- of leadership, values, integrity, and accountability.

A lot of blame goes to media as entertainment which never fails to implant some emotional conclusion to every issue on which it casts its shadow of ignorance. "It must be true because I saw it on tv" is as foolish a dictum as is "It must be true because I found it on the Internet." There are no longer any unbiased, trusted sources of facts much less investigation into them or analysis of them. When fascinating half-truths can attract more attention than workmanlike fact we know what we'll get.

I must agree with Hedges regarding literacty. It is no guarantee that truth can be gleaned but it sure does increase one's chances. Thus the importance of education.

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