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Watching Them Squirm: Is Fox News Abandoning the Mob It Created?

By Mark Ames, AlterNet. Posted November 7, 2008.


A huge schism develops between Fox's post-election attempts at "civility" and its pitchfork-wielding audience.
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The first polls had just closed when the Republican Right's "Agony of Defeat" moment arrived. It was just after 8 p.m. -- right as Fox's "America's Election HQ" show returned from a commercial break, and Brit Hume welcomed viewers back to his "Fair and Balanced" network.

But something wasn't right: There was a strange lack of background banter, none of the golf-buddy joshing that comes with overconfidence. There was just Bergman-esque silence between every one of Brit Hume's dramatic pauses. The Fox cameras wandered over an incredible scene: the cream of right-wing/neocon punditry -- William Kristol, Fred Barnes and Mort Kondracke -- were caught slumped in their chairs during the commercial break, deep in a state of hopelessness and depression. They didn't see the camera train on them, or maybe they were incapable of faking it, as if they'd been on a three-day Ecstasy roll at Burning Man, and now they were paying the horrible serotonin-deprived price. Kristol looked like he was suffering the worst: He was slouched over the table, his grotesque Stewie-shaped head sulking down to his navel, his glazed eyes staring down at the floor. He strained to lift his head when Hume called on him to comment -- and when Kristol spoke, it was in a raspy, slow voice, not his usual smirking, energetic arrogance. To quote a sympathetic right-wing blogger, "Will Collier e-mails to tell me that he hasn't seen Bill Kristol look this bad since his man McCain get stomped in S.C. by Bush in 2000."
I started my Fox News Election Day Agony Watch at 6:30 a.m. I was expecting a lot of last-minute shrieking about voter fraud, ACORN and Barack Hussein Osama terrorist-mongering, the climax to a vicious campaign that Fox had been promoting over the previous month or two, but what was so strange that day was the relatively subdued, quasi-civil tone that Fox was taking. They pushed those buttons on Election Day, but only halfheartedly. You'd have to have watched a lot of Fox News -- which I have, out of morbid curiosity -- to detect the tonal shift on Nov. 4. It was as if they had decided to pull their punches. Before the polls opened, Ann Coulter appeared for a few minutes to riff against the liberals, but the 47-year-old MILF-wannabe looked oddly desperate in her mini-miniskirt and knee-high boots, as if she stole her imaginary teenage daughter's clubbing outfit and wanted to show it off. The effect was wrong, a desperate eccentricity, like a neocon Michael Jackson.

What was going on? It was as if the Fox News execs were nervous, so they came up with a Plan B approach. Gone was the usual mob-incitement chest-beating that has made Fox News such a hit in Middle America. It seems that the craftier vanguard of the Republican right-wing mob got together and decided that this was the craftiest position to adopt. Just before the elections, Kristol published a New York Times column that threw his entire 20-year divide-and-quagmire playbook out the window in favor of a new pseudo-gracious "hey, we're all friends, liberals and conservatives, and isn't it a wonderful country we live in?" mantra.

The Fox execs also did their best to affect a civil, gracious tone. That's why watching the Fox News agony-of-defeat spectacle was more subtle than I'd expected: The mob leaders had decided to abandon the mob -- meaning if I wanted to get a glimpse into the raw screeching agony that the right wing really feels when the camera is turned off, I would have to head into the blog world, where they could squeal their lungs out in safe anonymity. The "patriots" at Freerepublic.com, which boasts millions of visitors, went through at least four rapid stages of decline on Election Day: first, hope; then utter shock at the realization of defeat; then outrage and a sense of betrayal; and finally a retreat into Christian prayer and empty threats of Red Dawn armed insurrection. The Freepers aren't just outraged at Obama and the communist-Islamo-terrorists taking over the White House; they are also outraged at the Republican Party that "betrayed" them, outraged at the American population that proved to be nothing but brainwashed "sheeple" (someone named kimchilover wrote, "For the first time, in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country … my little take on Michelle's sentiments"), and even outraged at, yes, Fox News, which they quickly sensed was abandoning them. Many couldn't make sense of being abandoned by Fox. As one commenter wrote, "Watch Fox with the sound off and you will be LESS aggravated."

I lapped up every squeal and screech on Freerepublic.com that I could. Gloating is a healthy human activity, nothing to be ashamed of. How could you not gloat when you watch a thread that goes from this:

My friend, wait until 11 or 12 Eastern time before drawing any conclusions, by then you will see the Palin landslide!! (by word_warrior_bob)

To this:

Turn out the lights. Party is over. Go to bed. ... Election is lost. I'm gonna get drunk. (by GerardKempf)

And the most desperate, toothless woofing stance of all, so popular among the harmless nerds in Freeperland:

All over but the shooting. Stock up on guns and ammo. Use them whenever necessary. (PermaRag)

Next I checked a B-list neocon blogzine, Pajamas Media. You can get a sense of where the Republican elite and their mob followers are at Pajamas, which appeals to a more coastal, secular neocon demographic than the Freepers. Here again you could see what was only hinted at on Fox News.

On Pajamas, the savvier right-wing bloggers and columnists, the ones with their real names attached, have also adopted a grotesquely insincere "let's be civil and dignified" tone. One Election Day blog article was headlined "Let's Take Some Pride in Obama's Election -- No Matter Who We Voted For," repeating a mantra seen by the craftiest right-wingers. No one on Pajamas exemplified this cynical shift more than Rick Moran, a venomous neocon nerd, the missing link between homo sapiens and the Fleck's box jellyfish. In August, pushing the Bill Ayers smear, Moran wrote, "we can say for certain that Obama is a liar of the first magnitude." Just two weeks ago, he posted an article titled "'Adolf Hitler' Donates to Obama Campaign" -- and he didn't mean it ironically, but rather, to highlight just how far Obama was willing to go to raise campaign money. But then, on the eve of the vote, when it was clear to everyone in America except to the loyal Freeper mob that Obama was going to sweep, Moran published a blog entry titled "Embrace the Future," in which he tried positioning himself as the leader of the Right-Wing Reconciliation Committee, denouncing the Obama hysteria that he promoted, distancing himself from himself.

Many of us are fearful of the future if Barack Obama wins the presidency and the liberals dominate the Congress. All manner of evils are imagined. "America won't be the same," is the cry most often heard on the right. Some even go so far as to say the America we live in now will be no more and a new America will supplant the old one.
I have rejected that notion as totally unrealistic. But there is absolutely no doubt that change is coming.
They're already congratulating themselves for their own cynical new civility, as in the posting titled "How the Rightosphere Copes With Defeat."

Moran is a moron, but he's keeping up with the Kristols rather than sticking with the mob. That's the new official line for all the Republicans angling to remain relevant in the new Obama era. But over in the comments section, the cheap seats for the right-wing mob, it was all squealing and rebellion against this new official dignified Republican line.

Rachel Peepers:
Something tells me this is not the time to be polite. Thus, my congratulations will go unsaid. I think not because I'm a poor sport; it's not a case of sour grapes because I've always been one of the first to congratulate my opponents be they in the political field or on the sports field. But not this time. Because this time my opponent was, as I see it, evil. Did they congratulate Stalin the day after the election. Or Lenin. Or Hitler. Some did. My great-grandfather didn't.
denisem:
I absolutely refuse to give up my guns. I love to hunt but now with Obambam in office, I have to hone in on my skills because he will destroy us from the inside. Khalidi and all Arabs call our government the belly of the beast. The beast meaning America. Obama is great friends with Khalidi and Ayers whom both are terrorists and will be part of Obama's appointed officials. So therefore, we will have bombings and racial riots again. We will be fighting a civil war again soon. Not this year or next but Obambam is going to DESENSITIZE us first then go for the jugglar. Therefore, I will have to learn anti-terrorism and urban warfare. I am to old to join the marines but I can still learn how they protect us. You should learn too.
Like the much more numerous Freepers, the mob at Pajamas Media is outraged because they have been betrayed. It's not just that the liberals betrayed them, but that the leaders they'd followed -- Fox News, right-wing bloggers, and the Republican elite who have been mobilizing their pitchfork fury -- now find their savagery a liability, and they're abandoning them. It's the fury of having been played for a sucker -- and the "real American" mob has been played for the biggest sucker in American history, as is clear from their sense of abandonment.

It is an incredible spectacle to behold: the Republican elite abandoning a 20-year narrative at the snap of a finger just to make sure that it is positioned well in the new Obama dynamic. The Republican elite has clearly decided that the "Real America" mob it had exploited had become a liability, but still it's amazing how seamlessly and quickly it can throw its own audience overboard. Witness the smear campaign against the right-wing mob's heroine, Sarah Palin, who is now being taken down by none other than Bill O'Reilly.

The right-wing mob's sense of rage and betrayal from all this is so great that over at FreeRepublic you can read, for the first time I can recall, hatred against Jews, whose electoral support for Obama poured salt on the Freepers' wounds. Read the comments to a posting the day after the election titled "Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote -- More Than Kerry," such as this: "I have always supported Israel and the Jewish people -- NO MORE -- if Iran throws a few missiles their way -- too bad! I don't care anymore!"

As for me, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to gloat and twist the knife, after all the destruction they've wreaked on America and the world. So I created a Bugs Bunny character named "Josh" to dance a virtual dirty chicken all over Pajamas Media's comment section end zone, stirring up the chimps into a frenzy of shrieking. There's nothing a Republican hates more than being called a "loser," in case you're wondering.

All in all, Nov. 4 was a great day for us warm-blooded animals. Nov. 4 delivered not only hope, but satisfying comedy, as we could watch millions of Dean Wormers and Neidermeyers howling in right-wing rage. But Fox's sly response shows that the smarter ones are already strategizing, and that the split in the Republican Party between the crafty elite and the flesh-eating zombies who until now served as its base means that there's plenty more comic entertainment and gloating to come.

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Mark Ames is a contributor to eXiledonline.com. He is the author of Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan's Workplaces to Clinton's Columbine and Beyond.

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Rightwingers Believe Every Lefty Is A Righty Trying To Get Out
Posted by: ranchero42 on Nov 7, 2008 5:24 PM   
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Instead of chastising them for their inability to show contrition, we need to remind them that we KNOW what it's like to wake up and smell the pavement, politically. I personally channel Yossarian and say "there, there" over and over again. That way they hopefully get that there's no submerged fascist in ME.

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» Thank You Mark Ames Posted by: strahlungsamt
» Rupert Murdoch's new wife Posted by: dcyalter
Bravo!
Posted by: onewriter on Nov 8, 2008 1:41 AM   
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This is terrific piece. Loaded with wonderful lines and observations. Thank you.

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» RE: Bravo! Posted by: Lauren
What may have happened is Palin's nomination for V.P. split
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Nov 8, 2008 2:05 AM   
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the awkward alliance between neocon business elites, who would have preferred a candidate like Romney, and the aggressive rank-and-file values mob that together composed the recent conservative movement.

There is an excellent piece on this at Joe Bageant's blog, Sarah Palin is the Future of Conservatism

I hope this person's analysis does not come to pass, but I have seen how intense the loyalty to Palin by her supporters has been. With the financial meltdown and the split between business elites and values voters, many of the latter are no longer content to be more or less the reliable lapdogs of the former. However if Palin does emerge as the new face of conservatism in the U.S., I tend to think it will be a coup for the neocon elites, whose control of the conservative movement will simply be more subtle, allowing the rank-and-file to believe their time has arrived.

The savvier pundits, I think, aren't the ones abandoning the GOP base, but those seeking to co-opt Palin, or at least the people she represents, through a new strategy of faux conservative populism. Those pundits rejecting her are the more excitable types who fear a loss of control over the rank-and-file. The people who fear this and whose behavior is now so erratic that they are adopting a conciliatory tone toward the Democrats are the business oriented old-boy Republicans who are too small of a minority to field a viable political movement by themselves. Their surprising conciliatory stance is actually not surprising, as it is motivated by business-style utilitarian calculations. They want to make the most of (profit as much as possible from) the new political reality of an Obama presidency.

The more idealistic rank-and-file of the Right see this and feel rejected.

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» 60 Senate seats Posted by: StoneRiley
» RE: 60 Senate seats Posted by: Spot
» The Rethugs will split Posted by: UnEasyOne
Murdoch is a monopolist
Posted by: weathered on Nov 8, 2008 2:46 AM   
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his domestic holdings need to get busted up. Far too much media control, its dangerous.

Fox/NY Post ...see them for what they are; a 24hr.Peep Show of cheap, shallow lies, myths and distractions.

and don't kid yourself the WSJrl. is just as skewed, they're malinformation is simply packaged better.

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Market Shift
Posted by: ssgchester on Nov 8, 2008 3:22 AM   
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Fox, like all media are simply put, businesses. Fox, like all media respond to ratings. In this sence, the ratings was the election.
You can only cry wolf so many times as we well know. But the owner of Fox is a big big psudo Republican. The conservatives can do no wrong. Well, as we have found out, yes they can.
What Fox is doing is reacting to the elections and the ratings.
I've said it for years. That if the rating go to the Left, then these "Conservative" talking heads will move down the dial, change their name to Ivan, and open their shows yelling, "Workers of the World UNITE!"
Like lobbyists, they may not like what they are doing, but hey, it pays the bills......
I just can't wait to hear the talking heads at Fox say "liberal media" again just to bust out laughing....
Fair and Balanced, my AXX!..lol

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» Astute Observation Posted by: thornwolf
a minor error in an otherwise good article
Posted by: realthog on Nov 8, 2008 3:55 AM   
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Witness the smear campaign against the right-wing mob's heroine, Sarah Palin, who is now being taken down by none other than Bill O'Reilly.

In fact, it's Fox News reporter Carl Cameron who's doing the taking down, as O'Reilly attempts to minimize or marginalize the criticisms.

Perhaps the funniest example is where Cameron reports that Palin's famous shopping spree seems to have included $20,000 on clothing for her husband. O'Reilly waves as at a mosquito and deems this "just nitpicking".

Yep. Right. $20,000 may seem like a nitpick to someone on O'Reilly's grossly bloated salary, but to the rest of us . . .

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RE: word_warrior_bob
Posted by: baad on Nov 8, 2008 3:57 AM   
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My friend, wait until 11 or 12 Eastern time before drawing any conclusions, by then you will see the Palin landslide!! (by word_warrior_bob)

How could w_w_b have thought anything differently. Rush was telling him continuously that everything was going to be alright. Mega dittos.

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Daring experiment
Posted by: Marc02 on Nov 8, 2008 4:02 AM   
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On election day (it was evening for us in France) the TV was on, on CNN and I dared to do something very silly and daring : connect to Fox through the web and watch the last lies.
There we two topics about a polling station in a north east state where a lonely "black panther" was intimidating voters and might have a stick on him.
This was explained by a newsman wearing of course a red tie and watching constantly behind him if he was not assaulted by the "black panther", telling again and again his stupid story like a parrot while in the studio they were really terrified and scared.
The reporter even dared to interview the "black panther" asking him if he was having a stick and insisting that he was a danger for the public. The black man replied quietly that he was allowed to stand outside the polling station and was not doing any harm, but told the reporter that he had nothing to do there. What a terrible blow! The reporter answered that Fox had asked their lawyers and they might do it.
The great scene was the moment when police arrived on the spot : two white and a black officers. They talked to the "black panther" and then walked towards the reporter telling him TO GO AWAY!!
Fabulous!
The reporter said something like that police was forbidding to report the truth and so on.
A great humor moment for european viewers, but a grim reality>>> so many lies, so much fuss for nothing!
While Fox watchers are looking at that stupidity, their brains cannot work for finding the source of real matters.
Yours sincerely.
Marc Joigny from France
PS "thanks" to the GOP liars I was amazed to hear that I was living in the last communist country in the world. Sure, education in the US must be improved!

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» Sarkozy is France's nemisis Posted by: weathered
» RE: Sarkozy is France's nemisis Posted by: Squarehead
Pat on the back to all blind Partisans.
Posted by: -matti on Nov 8, 2008 4:26 AM   
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To the other hundred million of us, our work is just beginning.

Obama is being circled by the same old Corporatist scumbags!

What will we do to fight them?

One way is to pressure the Congress -district by district.

All power to the People!

november5.org

FOX is down but not out.

Let's make sure Congress doesn't stray, shall we?

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No congrats from grandad
Posted by: jbloggz on Nov 8, 2008 4:27 AM   
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Loved the Rachael Peepers remark that her grandad did'nt congratulate Stalin etc. She obviously did'nt know how much Prescot Bush gave thanks and more to Adolf Hitler. Ah such is life!

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What's chilling to me
Posted by: kenhymes on Nov 8, 2008 4:41 AM   
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What's chilling to me is not the sloppy fascism of the comments quoted... no surprise there, we all know these folks are out there. No, what really makes me feel sick is the total lack of grace the author displays in victory, and the inability to feel any compassion for lost people. Where is the sadness over such a significant segment of the population having been raised, taught, and manipulated into holding such extreme bigoted views? We all live in this country together. Gloating, insulting, the use of words like "moron": these are not going to help heal the wounds from forty years of the "southern strategy." I know that we have elected a President who gets this. It would be nice to see the left show some understanding of what reconciliation means, and its importance, or we will just be facing this danger again when the cycle isn't going our way.

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» RE: What's chilling to me Posted by: Urstrly
» RE: What's chilling to me Posted by: Sushi
» RE: I disagree Posted by: Lauren
» A Time to Compare Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» I'm with Progressive Maniac Posted by: i_17bingo
» RE: What's chilling to me Posted by: munchkinpup
» RE: What's chilling to me Posted by: SicfkOfBush
» RE: What's chilling to me Posted by: Basenjis
» Screw them all. Eat the rich! Posted by: common intelligence
» RE: Reconciliation Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: What's chilling to me Posted by: B.peace
Fox News??
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Nov 8, 2008 4:57 AM   
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What? You mean there are people out there who actually watched that biased nonsense called Fox News? Im shocked!

Jess
Online Privacy when it counts

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» RE: Fox News?? Posted by: Lilly
» I agree in principle, but ... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Nightmares of Midnights working at McDonalds???
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 8, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Now that thye have gutted the manufacturing business, and nearly all other profitable enterprises, leaving US a 'service industry' their options for 'Big Money Jobs' has come to an end."Would you Like Fries with that" is a line Kristol better practice.
Hume has decided it's time to 'Spend more time with his family'....Hell we could have told you that a couple decades ago Brit!
What I think really terrifies them is that with the election of Sen Obama, by a ground force they could never match means the Citizens are not just looking for Change, but Revenge. I wonder how many have updated their passports? Do they all have a Palm island to regroup at (bought and paid for by their Bosses the Saudi's, No doubt one island over from their Covert cohort Binny- apprently he's named his island 'Hell' and has some gates up which Mac would not pass Unless invited in)
Will they invite Nancy and her Oujii board to see if they can conjure up another Demonic spirit to once again help them in their Grand Delusion of World Domination? Worked for the last 30 yrs,better pick up some Black Candles along the ways boys.
another thing I will be glad never to hear again is Reagan referred to as the 'Great Orator'-What a Joke that Was- as Bumbling and confused as W and Mac..He just could read a Cue Card better.A 'B' Rated Thesbian with Early alzheimers when he Took Office!
I War Crimes Trials Propaganda is a Prosecutable offense Right? Yeah Boys you'd better start packing, maybe Al jeezera will have a place for you- wall decoration?

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Nov 8, 2008 5:48 AM   
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MSNBC's Rachel Maddow gets higher ratings than Bill O'Reilly. Poor Bill the hate-monger, give him a red sucker.

BARACK OBAMA USA

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» RE: BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM Posted by: Lauren
» RE: BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM Posted by: BlueTigress
Your compassion is sweet...
Posted by: snowdude38 on Nov 8, 2008 6:18 AM   
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but after 25 years of rightwing CRAP and the last 8 years of total domination of the airwaves by liars and dogmatic creatins, I feel we are entitled to a little jab here and a poke with a sharp stick into the sides of the bloated and now rotting corpse of the
neo-con facist corporatocracy!!!

Many people have lost everything; jobs, homes, entire industries that were the purist essence of the American middle class dream machine.

All because of these fake, repugnant, bloated, self-agrandizing, bigotted facist, racist, blowhards... these "people" deserve to hear and feel some of the abuse & pain they have inflicted on the rest of America and the world, if only for a few delicious days as we bask in their demise.

Don't feel bad because they never felt anything for us as they destroyed our lives.

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Woodman
Posted by: Woodenman on Nov 8, 2008 6:36 AM   
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Does anybody feel like Obamas win was too easy? The Republicans had 8 years to prepare for this election. Why did they give up so easily? I thought they would protest every vote screaming Acorn! Acorn! I expected 40 days of contentious upheaval. Did they put in the big cheat and costs us the predicted 6 million votes?

McCain seemed entirely too happy giving his concession speech too me. Maybe they did not want to tackle all the problems after they emptied the cash register.

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» RE: Woodman Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: Woodman YES TOO EASY PERHAPS Posted by: stopthemaddness2
meanness
Posted by: mwildfire on Nov 8, 2008 6:53 AM   
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I'm with the guy who was disappointed by the mean tone of this piece. I know very very well what the bloggers are feeling, having had such a horrible November four years ago, and having never in my life had a candidate I truly supported win (I'm 52). (I voted for Clinton in '92 and Obama this year but both are compromises--I still have hopes that Obama will be a better one than Clinton.)
These suckers do not deserve this contempt, nor is it helpful in any way. Yes, there ARE those who deserve punishment for the very real harm they have inflicted: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, Gonzalez, Yoo, Rice, many others. But the ordinary shmucks whose information stream is very different from ours deserve sympathy and some help figuring out that Obama does not represent the rise of fascism but its defeat. Making enemies of these people will make Obama's job that much harder. Why can't WE be the grownups?

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» RE: We ARE the grown ups. Posted by: Lauren
» RE: meanness Posted by: crashgrab
"Get thee behind me Satan"...Hell No!
Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Nov 8, 2008 6:54 AM   
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A favorite line by right-wing radical fundamentalist Christian extremists is, "Get thee behind me Satan". A favorite line by right-wing radical fundamentalist Islamic extremists is, "America is the Great Satan".

The reality is both these dangerous ideological assumptions are actually seeing their own reflections in a mirror they conjured up while deluded by their own propagandized lunacy.

Although the extremes in any philosophy/ideology/religion tends toward the Satanic, except for those who drank willingly/greedily from the right-wing Kool-aide cup, most normal Americans are caring individuals whose sympathetic attitude toward the rest of the world is best expressed by them being the first to want to offer help to the downtrodden in emergencies. Policy lately, by those in control of the US government, is another matter entirely. When we can get this policy to coincide with the 'will of the people' the world will begin thinking better of us, but rejection of the anti-social neo-CON con is a positive step in the correct direction (note I didn't say 'right').

As far as having Satan behind me, I say "Hell No!". We've had that these past 8-28 years, and the result was being stabbed in the back & our pockets picked. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson. Isn't it better to keep Satan in front of us so we can see what he is up to?

Our tools now are regulation, oversight, accountability, truth, and transparency (and this includes from/of the media as well).

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» The Real Axis of Evil has been broken Posted by: common intelligence
Hah!
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 8, 2008 6:58 AM   
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We switched over periodically to Fox throughout the evening, just to see what was going on. We kind of knew they were in trouble when Hume kept comparing McCain's numbers with Bush's in 2004, and not his performance in the ELECTION HE WAS IN.

This is like when the bully who's making your life miserable meets your 7-foot-tall Uncle Bubba, who has come to live with you. There are only a couple of ways for the bully to go after he pees himself: jump down the nearest hole and stay there, or put a cheesy smile on and say, "No, Sir, Jay and I, we're the best of friends!"

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The Conservative elite shows its true face
Posted by: sausage on Nov 8, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Ironic, isn't it, that Sarah Palin-skirt sniffers and Ted Nugent-fans, the know-nothing-est and most threats-of-violence prone faction of American reaction, are just now waking up to the fact that their FoxNews gods have more in common with the hated "liberal elites" than with themselves!

Sarah Palin-skirt sniffers and Ted Nugent-fans revel in hunting, fishing and all other manner of outdoor activity. One may logically conclude these folks would embrace the environmental movement, but no. They take the Ann Coulter Biblical view of nature, "take it, rape it, it's yours," and think nothing of tearing up the landscape on gas-guzzling ATVs while sucking down a few brewskis, the empties of which they gleefully litter the countryside.

Now can you imagine the "real-men" of FoxNews, Britt Hume, Chris Wallace and especially Chris Wallace shooting a moose a la le jeune femme Sarah Palin? Or how about Bill O'Reilly bow-hunting a trophy buck in a tree-stand with Ted Nugent? Ain't gonna happen.

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It is easy to predict the future
Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Nov 8, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Ole' Rupert is going to have ALL his minions begin a sweet form of backstroke, at least until he can find a way to torpedo the new Obama administration.

I don't have time or inclination to post all his holdings in America, much less in the rest of the world. Google it.

Under the Bush dictatorship, Rupert was able to get market share rules relaxed or even trashed. If he is forced back to a pre-Bush market share it will cost him untold billions.

(New York Times piece on this, June 25, 2007)


His minions don't preach right wing hate garbage for fun or even for a true belief in their foul nonsense, in my opinion. They do it because all his media outlets are mandated to be primarily a mouthpiece for the same branch of the Republican party that gave us the prewar propaganda.

Youtube has several videos about this from ex-employees.

Menopausal Mick

In addition:

He admitted that he tried to shape the agenda to the war:

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2007/2/3/20443/36412

There is also video of his statement out there from....hmmm..Infowars, I think.

I predict his minions will continue to tone it down a bit in a "wait and see" mode until he knows how much this election will cost him in revenue. Will he have to give back market share? How much will it cost him? etc.

It isn't about ideology. It's about money. It's always been about money.

(Sorry about the lack of easy links but I'm in the wilderness and on dialup. Some days that feels like the speed of smell.)

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I work next to a right-wing psycho
Posted by: Bob Horn on Nov 8, 2008 7:17 AM   
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I have learned a little about how the right wing lynch mob thinks. Every day I hear their words and know their "minds". I work next to one. She doesn't know for sure that the world is round, thinks the world is only 6,000 old and says that Obama is a terrorist. She makes only about 35K and her husband is disabled but always votes Republican. She is more crazy and hateful now than ever. These people will come at us with weapons to kill all who read books and all who don't wear Christian crosses the minute they think they can murder 6 or 10 million of us. I know they have to be taken seriusly like you take hurricanes or cancer seriously. I don't think they can ever be won over, but may be defeated.

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» Best wishes Posted by: mcubed
I agree...
Posted by: Yesican on Nov 8, 2008 7:35 AM   
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anyone who has Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, as a steady diet and their only source of news, is to be pitied.

They are ill. Granted, by choice...but they are so paralyzed by fear and hate. Think how miserable they are. We should remember how we felt in 2004. I actually had what I thought was a heart attack... the doctor diagnosed it as a panic attack. Something i never had before..or after.

Read Eckhart Tolle's A New Earth. A great guide to the kind of future I'm dreaming of.

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Nothing new about this-the fox news the bastion of anglosaxon lootocracy-will change tune 4 moment.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 8, 2008 7:49 AM   
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And try to lure obama into english men's agenda camp- that is follow the agenda decided in london and implemented in washington as was done in wilson time , in truman time. in reagon time. in bush time and also in clinton time.

When Clinton was elected in 1992 BC was saying that it was worrisome for the british foreing office because Clinton might want peaceful settlement in Ireland. No worry. Within 3 weeks of Clinton eelction the british bastards brought him into their grip.. But the same B and british were very happy when in 1994 and 1996 this Clinton lost congress to conservative majority-proof that british friendship was only to neautralize Clinton from straying from so called neutral attitude to uk.


In fact in the 1988 American election B.B.C. had invited the chief drug dealer of BAT-i.e. british american tobacco-(who of course is an englishman) and there was another American there. During discussion of Ducassis' candidature the B.B.C. anchor man suggested to the American that the opponent of bush was hardly an American as he looked to dark and was Greek, the country of geek being too much near Africa. It really happened. This shows a few things. According to B.B.C. not only Blacks were not American but also all those who the english agents have labelled ethnic Americans. In fact B.B.C. openly said (in that program-usually B.B.C. does not reveal its evil intention so easily) that the American means actually anglo-saxons. The whole propaganda and racial slur was provided by BBC.
the way George H.W. Bush finished off Michael Dukakis in 1988. Lee Atwater, Bush’s smear manager, picked up Al Gore’s use of Horton – the black rapist furloughed for a weekend, under a law passed by Gov. Dukakis – and retooled it, throwing in slurs about Dukakis as being some foreign outsider
Don't confuse that white includes Germans either. The same English agents (in America) who created a monstrous film like ``birth of nation`` are the same people who crated prohibition only because many German immigrants were drinking bear and they did not like it. It is the same england sympathiser crowd who went on killing blacks, Irish,
etc -

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Freerepublic.com
Posted by: eloots on Nov 8, 2008 8:11 AM   
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Having never visited Freerepublic.com is just tried to do so out of curiosity. This is what I got:

Safari could not open the page “http://www.freerepublic.com/” because the server is not responding.

I'd say, keep it that way !

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Yes!
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 8, 2008 8:15 AM   
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The "hard truth" is hitting home at Faux Noose! Seems they are LOSING BIG IN THE RATINGS to Olbermann and Maddow... for over a week straight!

Rupert's NewsCorp has tanked in the stock market... down some 30% this year!

What goes around, comes around. heheheh

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» Earl? Posted by: AlienSlave
I hate FauxNoise more than anyone but
Posted by: helenwheels on Nov 8, 2008 8:18 AM   
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I don't see the point of this piece. Granted, I couldn't get past the first page. There's too much attempted snarkiness and exaggeration to take it seriously and here's where he lost me: "47-year-old MILF-wannabe" - Um, WTF?

First off, it's an unnecessarily sexist thing to say. It's something those people Ames criticized would say. Second, Ann Coulter is not a mother and is not married. So, what the author is saying is that a 47 year old woman is desperate if she attempts to look attractive? I also despise Coulter but that doesn't justify the misogyny in that remark. I'll be the first one to make fun of the fact Coulter inappropriately wears the same little black cocktail dress to every function, no matter if it's a morning show or night. It's ridiculously weird.

But really, can we get past the gender bashing? Leave that to the wingnuts, they do it better anyway.

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Faux Noise
Posted by: Devil Dog on Nov 8, 2008 8:22 AM   
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For giggles and self punishment I also tune in there to see what the latest Obama bashing bunch are up to. I go there much more these days to watch their misery of the lost election.

I don't know if it's a hoax or not but in recent days I've seen Shep Smith call some of the nuts out. Joe the Plumber and the neverending candidate Nader for his crummy remark about Obama and Uncle Tom.

I also enjoy "No Lips" Greta and her loversick yearning for Palin's return. Greta practically drools on herself at the mere mention of Ms. Caribou Barbie's name. Makes a person want to puke.

For anyone who doesn't know check out www.newshounds.us/ They watch Fox so you don't have to.

Dee

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How does it feel
Posted by: premarachel on Nov 8, 2008 8:37 AM   
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to be the new white n....r? Suffer, suffer all you self righteous violent supporting, new minority republican extremists. May you suffer in return the angry evil you have tried so hard to spread. May all the nasty racism and hatred that has come out of your mouths surround you until you learn compassion for all people.

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Where are the links??
Posted by: Drume on Nov 8, 2008 8:48 AM   
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Where are the links to the slumping Kristol videos??? Please let's see them!!!

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» RE: Where are the links?? Posted by: BlueGorilla
No surprises here - the media effort to bury the real issues continues.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 8, 2008 8:53 AM   
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Not that Fox ever covered the real issues in any depth - but let's remember that neither did ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, CNN, the NYT, the WP, the WSJ, etc...

It's not like FOX was alone in drumming up the Bill Ayers nonsense, or in ignoring the economic aspects of the military occupation of Iraq, or in not covering Afghanistan at all, and smearing reporters like Lara Lohan who went and covered what was going on - I'm actually perversely glad that the corporate media ran the smear campaign against Lohan, because it really shows that the propaganda monkeys are running the show: editors and executives who slave away for shareholders who also happen to be major holders in all the DOW corporations... War has been profitable for them, mostly.

Until now, that is. War is non-productive investment - a tank doesn't do much creative work. Giant offshore wind turbines, on the other hand, pay back on their investment over time. A tank might help you seize some other country's oilfields, and so pay back in that manner... unless people won't stand for it. By pushing for investment in war instead of domestic infrastructure, the robber barons and their political allies have wrecked the economy. They're now trying to squirrel away enough loot to keep themselves in Lear jets and caviar for the next five years or so - that's the basic reason for the economic collapse. The explosion in oil prices, the speculative bubbles, the collapse of home values, the implosion of the credit system - just symptoms of War, Inc.

The U.S. press, however, is strictly forbidden from discussing the economic issues that go into war. War is fought for "noble reasons", and making a buck off death and destruction is not so noble... no matter how you spin it... and where are those biological and chemical weapons again, FOXsters?

A democracy needs several things in order to survive. One of those things is an independent press that is not beholden to government or business interests. Is that our press?

Okay, stop laughing... it's annoying.

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make the neocons show their real colours
Posted by: greatunwashed on Nov 8, 2008 9:48 AM   
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Yes this spilt in the right is wonderfull. The further enhancement of this spilt calls for more fuel to this fire. Time to hit them with total shock doctrine. The neo-elite will scream, and their reptillian followers will eventually see them as the flesh eaters that have been preying on them as well as their warm blooded bretheren.

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fox news is a klan rally
Posted by: wleming on Nov 8, 2008 10:00 AM   
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Fox news is not journalism.. nor is it anything "fair and balenced" other than racist, homophobic, corporate, greed driven drivel. lets not waste folks time debating their bogus journalistic stances. thats just lending credibility to what is already the biggest bs barracks murdock can buy.

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Dirty dancing
Posted by: shchef on Nov 8, 2008 10:22 AM   
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Dancing a "virtual dirty chicken" and pot-stirring over at Pajama Media is fine, but "losing 2 wars to sand monkeys"? I would hope that we could maintain some civility in all of this and not resort to offensive racial epithets. I thought part of being a good winner was projecting magnanimity and staying above the fray. I'm happy enough that we won the election; gloating only sustains toxic vengefulness. Just a thought.

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You disappoint.
Posted by: lamar777 on Nov 8, 2008 10:24 AM   
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I am an AlterNet reader and visit the site every day. I voted for Barack. I am unbelievably ecstatic over the election results and yes I allowed myself to gloat just a bit in the same way that you did by reading conservative blogs and smiling each time they began gnashing their teeth.

As much as I related to your article I was utterly disgusted by your bigoted grade school posts on those blogs. You sounded like a 12 year old hillbilly idiot and I for one will likely ignore anything you "write" on AlterNet in the future. You are the loser sir, look it up. A loser is a person or thing that has lost something and as a result of your childish posts you have lost some dignity and any further reading on AlterNet by me. I suggest you remove the link to Josh's posts before others catch on to the fact that they are wasting their time reading what you write.

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» RE: You disappoint. Posted by: shchef
Ha Ha Ha..and where now for the Republicans?
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Nov 8, 2008 10:44 AM   
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Oh its been terrible,these past few days,watching the suffering of these poor little neo-cons/theological fascists etc.Actually im lying,its great,i've luxuriated in it,my gloating schaidenfraude has been turned up to eleven,and i cant get enough of witnessing greedy,murdering,lying ,slimy,arrogant scum ,getting a little ,tiny bit of the crap they dish out.
Kristol is an extreme right winger,mugged by reality.That reality is that the Reps agenda, has become squeezed into a narrow,and rigid dogma.Shaped by those great incompatible's Christianity and class war,the central tenets of the rep agenda,is based on hating gays,being pro-life (up to the minute that any baby,has the misfortune to be born into poverty,or born Palestinian),being so zealously pro-Israeli that even Jews are shocked,zealously anti-environment and of course putting greed before need,by letting the market take its selfish course,until it needs a bail-out.
During his campaign, McCain for example ,embarrassingly became an opponent of Roe vs Wade,and generally acted as a more right wing candidate,than would have been his overall inclination.
That is because the reps,have been hi-jacked by complete basket-case evangelists,who read a bible ,filled with stories of Jesus,kicking the gays,and praising the money-lenders.
The reps,showed no charity,no care and no kidness during the Presedential campaign.Most of all,they showed ,little connection to the working classes and (smaller than you think)middle class,who have lost/will lose houses and jobs.All they saw was public money, going to the very rich in the pre-election period .
I beleive that the reps,could tear themselves apart,in a battle between nutters,and relative moderates,or lurch even further to the right,in a misguided beleif that ,they weren't hardline 'enough'in this recent campaign.The thin link with sanity,that the covert-Satanist right wing have,could well become further stretched.
I am not getting carried away with a Obama victory,but I am enjoying seeing the assorted scum of the earth getting a kicking..I know its not virtuous,to enjoy the suffering of others,but go tell someone who cares.

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GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT
Posted by: outrider on Nov 8, 2008 10:46 AM   
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Posted by outrider at 11/8/08 9:23 a.m.

Many, mostly RepubliCONs, are treating the election as if it had been a game which their team played and lost while ignoring their players, the positions and the roles they played. The election was not a game and it was more than a referendum; it was a trial. The players were on trial for the crimes they had committed over the last eight years, crimes for which they had not been penalized. They were found guilty on all counts by a jury of their peers. Are they to be forgiven for their war crimes, crimes against humanity, the financial crisis that we face, shredding the Constitution, and making a mockery of Christian ethics which they claimed to own? Will the last eight years be treated as though they never happened?

Before this article I had yet to hear or read anything suggesting that the guilty parties are showing any remorse or making any apologies for their crimes. Neither is the Republican Party as such accepting any responsibility
for how their team played or how it was managed.

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» Sweeping investigations? Posted by: BlueTigress
Is it any wonder
Posted by: willymack on Nov 8, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Given the fact that most TV is mind-numbing trash, that (far too) many people watch and listen to the drivel on fox noise? Should this situation change? You bet your ass it should, and that needs to begin with a first rate EDUCATION for all our citizens. We already spend more money per capita on education than any other nation, and are getting next to nothing in return, same as with "health care" here, which is a very unfunny joke. There are plenty of good examples of good education and health care outside our borders, and it's way past time to emulate one or more of them.

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I scream,you scream,we all scream for slumping-Kristol videos.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Nov 8, 2008 10:48 AM   
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This baying mob,must be fed,bring us the slumped head of Kristol.

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WAS OBAMA's WIN TOO EASY?
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Nov 8, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Yes, I agree. Perhaps too easy. What made me think this? Well, the choice they made in choosing Sarah Palin. Since, all the dust has settled, and she is SAFELY packed back to Alaska, the Wasillia Hillbilly finally opened her mouth in response to the recent accusations made about the in-fighting, the towel wearing, the mob-inciting, and the clothes spending had ended, she lost her cutesy "phonetic- fake accent." I was stunned!!! I then saw a ruthless, dangerous WARPED woman with an unwrapped agenda for a 2012 run for president. Struck by a national lime-light of fame, she is, unwilling to ever let get dim. But her light will never shine in the White House. Never! She is frozen toast, and thank GOD for that small favor.

Her accent was completely gone. The high pitched nasally shrill voice was .....GONE! Along with being severely uneducated, she was also a huge FAKE!

You can see her response on You Tube, and on Huffington Post. Play it, rewind it, study the voice we now here, her real voice. May the real Sarah Palin please stand up. It is clear she had her own agenda, but the over all scheme of things, how easy was this win for OBAMA? You had a 72 year old worn out man, with a lousy resume to begin with. His best pals were Gordon Liddy and Charles Keating, both had been convicted, and Keating and McCain were both involved in unethical actions. Gordon Liddy who was convicted of wire-tapping and money laundering. Keating also convicted of fraudulent practices involving McCain, and McCain misuse of his power as a Senator and unethical behavior.
You had a woman's Senator has been convicted Ted Stevens.

You have a woman who is nutty as a fruitcake, ill-educated, stupid, and who has reportedly been connected with the Alaska Independence Party, who has been called a Wasillia Hillbilly who was embroiled with Trooper-gate, and Fashion-gate. That alone, give reason to wonder why this ridiculous duo ever thought they could win. McCain's camp never had a political platform, and the ideologies were all stolen from OBAMA's campaign slogans and ideas. So, what did they have? Not much of anything. They did not vet Palin. They couldn't have.

True, Bush's approval ratings also left an open door wide open for OBAMA. But it all makes you wonder does it not?
It will be more than just interesting to see how OBAMA pulls this off. I do know one thing. We needed change, and a new direction. We needed someone smart, who would roll his sleeves up and be ready to clean up a terrific mess left by the BUSH Machine. I think he can. It is all new territory now. GOD HELP US ALL!

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and the british media is very happy with obama economic team of billionares and millionares.!
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 8, 2008 11:17 AM   
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Economic crisis is top priority, says Obama

President-elect promises to work with George Bush

By Stephen Foley in New York
Saturday, 8 November 2008

!Mr. Obama faced the press for the first time since his victory after spending more than two hours in Chicago with an economics "transition team" that includes the chief executive of Google, Eric Schmidt, and – via speakerphone from Nebraska – the world's richest man, Warren Buffett. None underplayed the enormity of the task facing the new president, particularly in light of the latest economic data.

The US unemployment rate has hit 6.5 per cent, it was revealed yesterday, and the economy has shed 1.2 million jobs since the start of the year. Last month 240,000 jobs were lost, the result of the collapse in business confidence that came when the banking system froze in September.

"We didn't get into this situation in a day or a week, and we're not going to get out of it in a day or a week," said Larry Summers, a Clinton-era Treasury secretary who is among those tipped for that job under Mr Obama.

Another former Democrat Treasury secretary, Robert Rubin, also attended Mr Obama's economics session, as did Paul Volcker, a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, the US central bank.

On the agenda was how best to spend the $700bn allocated by Congress to bail out the banking system, and how to extend aid to the American car industry – whose biggest company, General Motors, is just a few months from bankruptcy, according to figures it released yesterday.

Much will depend on who Mr Obama picks as his Treasury secretary. Tim Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which has co-ordinated the central bank's rescue efforts with Wall Street, is said to be on the shortlist with Mr Summers."

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WORLD WIDE APPLAUSE MAKES FOX FALSE NEWS PAUSE-- LOLO! A JOY TO SEE! LOLOL!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Nov 8, 2008 11:31 AM   
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I did enjoy the responses, the slow....long silences and slow robotic responses of applause they all felt forced to say especially when the entire World cheered for OBAMA! It was a sheer joy to see! PRICELESS!!!

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First mention of stagnating wages!
Posted by: Drume on Nov 8, 2008 1:14 PM   
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Well, I'm not sure if I've found the smoking gun, slumping kristol on the grassy knoll or not, it might be too elusive, but I did search the fox site and the vid leftward leanng offers some jewels, namely the first mention of the problem of stagnating wages, and at the very beginning, yes, there is a mini slump sighting.

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Dumb Dick.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 8, 2008 1:36 PM   
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I read the article, but hadn't bothered to go and read the posts on the blogs.

I just did.

What was the point of that? To give credence to the rich, white, Republican idea that we're all gibbering idiots?

I've never gone in for visiting Republican blogs. After the first couple of times, years ago, it seemed pointless and boring. I'm sorry I went back this time, to cringe at the sophomoric "Josh".

Y'know--those people seemed a hell of a lot more together than you did, pal. You stuck out like a masturbating monkey.

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» RE: Dumb Dick. Posted by: Beck
» RE: Dumb Dick, smart trick. Posted by: Lauren
How mature of you...
Posted by: sausage on Nov 8, 2008 2:01 PM   
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"Dumb dick?"

"masturbating monkey?"

Real mature, real mature.

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Thanks for doing the dirty work
Posted by: Jeanne on Nov 8, 2008 2:29 PM   
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I had an urge on election night to tune in to Fox just to see what they were saying. But, I couldn't make myself, not even to gloat. I appreciate the peep into that world via this text medium. I know I couldn't bear to actually witness such drivel and ignorance -- thank god it's someone else's job to watch/listen to this garbage.

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Is this the best you can do? I'm not impressed.
Posted by: Damhnait on Nov 8, 2008 3:43 PM   
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I checked out your "Bugs Bunny" character Josh over at pajamasmedia.com. Way to go, making the left looks like a bunch of childish jerks. I saw people on that board who behaved a lot better than a "screeching chimp". You made a monkey of yourself on this one, dude.
How would you feel if some rightwing troll came over here after a McCain victory and started doing the same kind if sh*t? You made us all look bad by representin' like that.

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milf
Posted by: gfatjax on Nov 8, 2008 4:28 PM   
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only 47? who'd have imagined?

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Sweet Schadenfreude
Posted by: moioci on Nov 8, 2008 5:10 PM   
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My favorite moment was the look on Hume's face when I flipped by to hear him say, basically, now that Ohio and Pennsylvania have gone for Obama, there's no way for McCain to win. This was about 8pm central. Looked like a whole case of lemons had felt his wrath.

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Murdoch has a news channel for every Market
Posted by: BigRon on Nov 8, 2008 5:19 PM   
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Here in the UK, his 24/7 news channel is called "Sky News"; the difference being.... it's not half bad. To be fair, he's up against local competition from the BBC and ITN, so that the Brits actually EXPECT and DEMAND fairly unbiased news. UK Law would also (almost certainly) make a channel as overtly biased as "Fox" impossible to air. The point is a simple one. Americans blame Murdoch for Fox, whereas those truly responsible for it are AMERICANS THEMSELVES. Fox was an amazing moneyspinner at a time when news services have been cutting costs and expecting News Departments to behave like other entertainment channels. It made so much money precisely because it was EXACTLY what so many American viewers WANTED to see. Without that demand for a channel to cater to prejudices already existing, it simply wouldn't have made money. Murdoch's in the business of making money - not of making news shows. Whatever's going to bring in the most cash is what he'll provide.

That Fox is what fits the bill in the USA says something pretty sad about America.

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That one line
Posted by: abstractedaway on Nov 8, 2008 5:47 PM   
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someone named kimchilover wrote, "For the first time, in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country"

I've got a question for kimchilover. Why do you hate America so much?

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ADIOS, MO FO'S
Posted by: yale on Nov 8, 2008 5:50 PM   
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The fact that bullshit has no foundation has just resurfaced. The Orielly, Rove, Limbaugh stratagy is whats killing the Republican party. Americans knew next to nothing as to who McCain and Palin really were. They both spent their valueable time at the debates and various interviews, armed with the FOX NEWS statagy of doing buiness, bad mouthing Obama and Biden. The only thing we as a country, really know about the pathetic pair is that they sure know how to sling shit. Its been fun listening to all their reasons for the their loss like, Obama brought out the young voters, and ACORN is Fraud, and countless other reasons that had little to do with the reality of it all. Fact is folks, the FOX stratagy has been dying for years, and this just put a lot more nails in their coffin. So its, adios mo fos, to the most, foundationless news broadcasters in the grand ole USA.

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The tears of the wingnuts
Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 8, 2008 6:16 PM   
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Obama realized in his election strategy he needed a landslide and he got one. If it had been closer you bet they would have been tooth and claw to challenge every vote and look to hollering 'foul' through the next decade.
But they cry for pity and shaking hands and yet repent not, so why should we be polite?
Good start by appointing Rahm.

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where are the Freepers now?
Posted by: smendler on Nov 8, 2008 7:40 PM   
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At the moment (around 10:30 PM ET, 11/8/08), freerepublic.com is nowhere to be seen. One wonders if they have failed to pay their hosting fees - or maybe they are going all darknet on us...? Headed underground? Or maybe they'll all move to Canada, which still has a conservative government - or New Zealand, which just elected one. Bon voyage, Freepers!

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STOP PUBLICIZING FOR FOX NEWS!!!
Posted by: elidude420 on Nov 8, 2008 8:55 PM   
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Everyone knows indy media scored big this election cycle. Any capitalist would love to ca$h in.

Please STOP ALTERNET FROM BECOMING NEWSCORP!!

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Celebrate after Rove's PROPAGANDA nework is Dismantled and DESTROYED!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 9, 2008 2:57 AM   
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Stop Censorship of the News!
Shut it Down!
BREAK up the Media Monopolies.
One outlet in One Market.
Equal time for opposing view points.
Stop The Crude Rude, Rabid Republicans from Broadcasting any more BU__! SH__!
One outlet in one Market.
Open the Airwaves up to local Independent Media Broadcasters.

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Foxnews wins, even when Obama wins
Posted by: Reader11722 on Nov 9, 2008 6:17 AM   
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Obama and McCain are both controlled by zioni$ts (so is Foxnews). Looks like Mo$sad already owns Obama (he picked Rahm Emanuel, the son of a terrorist). Obama will probably let Mossad slide on their 9/11 involvement and Obama will continue their wars. So who won? Israel did, as always.

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These "freeper" people are NUTS!!!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 9, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Just out of curiosity, after reading this article I went to the freerepublic.com website--the first time I have ever done so.

I have come away with one conclusion: these people are totally NUTS!

If you look at the posts dated later in the evening of election day, when it became apparent that Obama had won, you had a really wierd mixture of "The Rapture" and the movie "Red Dawn".

One business owner in New York said he was going to fire all his liberal employees the next day.

I consider myself moderately Progressive, but I can't believe the slime that exists in the underbelly of this country.

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Come on Alternet
Posted by: Drume on Nov 9, 2008 8:27 AM   
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the cream of right-wing/neocon punditry -- William Kristol, Fred Barnes and Mort Kondracke

Occasionally Alternet really distorts the picture. First of all, in this article we really want LINKS to see the slumping Kristol! None provided.

Second, Mort Kondracke is a rightwing neocon? Since when?

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Looking up at hell from a position below.
Posted by: Passacaglia on Nov 9, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Sometimes one has to sink below the depths of hell to understand that hell is where one has been. The scare tactics by the Palin/McCain campaign was egregiously disgusting to say it civilly. If they vanish from the face of the earth this very minute it wouldn’t be soon enough. News media is supposed to be objective so that the public may be informed not brainwashed! It was a debacle in the worst sense what Palin and McCain did and attempt to discredit Obama who showed them the mandate of the people, the real people of America, and not the mannequins of the right wing conservatives that Palin and McCain did for themselves and for whom they pandered.

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Ames has a great sense of humor
Posted by: Cathyblj on Nov 9, 2008 8:48 AM   
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I'm still chuckling at phrases like, "the missing link between homo sapiens and the Fleck's box jellyfish." It's also amusing to find the freepers comparing Obama to both fascists and communists. Make up your minds; which is it?

Thanks for watching so much Fox Noise, to see what they're up to. I just don't have the stomach for it, though on Election Day it must have been pure Schadenfreude.

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Gun Rights!
Posted by: timjofred on Nov 9, 2008 8:59 AM   
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I was struck by the comments about the people who feel the need to "stock up" on guns and ammo. To me this is just another example of the ignorance and fear factor of the right: In my home town/metro area, The Tri-Cities in Eastern Washington state there was an article yesterday in the local paper that local shooters are stocking up on guns and ammo because they fear a crack down from the Obama administration of imposing greater gun control. It clearly displays for all how the way the right wing has developed their messages. They ignore reality and ignore the message from the candidate himself. Fox news and Rush Limbaugh paint progressives and liberals as the second coming of Big Brother and this is what happens. A tunnel vision of the world is what they see. The irony is that the greatest loss of personal freedoms and rights in American history was happening with the Bush-Cheney junta.
Obama was quite clear during the campaign that he respected the second amendment. His concern, as is the concern of the overwhelming majority of police chiefs throughout the USA, is the availability and proliferation of assault style weapons to people of questionable intent. From Obama's own website: "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."
I am a liberal and a veteran and proud of it. I also own several firearms; two shotguns, two rifles,and four handguns. As a law abiding citizen I feel no need to "stock up" or worry about the loss of my rights under the Obama administration.
However, I imagine that this gun-store scenario is being played out in a number of communities throughout the country right now. The store owners and gun merchants are only too happy to reinforce the notion that gun control is coming because of the sales boost that they get from this. As we have seen so often, the right-wing thrives on ignorance, distortion, half-truths, spin, fabrication, propaganda, dishonesty, and deception. It just continues, sad but true.

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The pitchfork-wielders and the turncoats don't matter
Posted by: Hans B on Nov 9, 2008 12:51 PM   
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And that's true on the Democratic side, too. There will always be people too dogmatic to work with the majority, and people so spineless that they'll work with the devil (as in, "liberal" MSM cheers on the Decider's latest war plans, 2003). As a matter of interest I'd much prefer to read about Mike Huckabee and other Republicans who have a chance of picking up the pieces of their party, rather than about Palinistas and Obamacons who will go under in the night of the long knives.

In short an amusing article, but not one that gives any insight into where the conservative movement is headed.

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brainwashed is it
Posted by: jc1234 on Nov 9, 2008 3:01 PM   
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I have 4 brothers, all rethugs, all college educated with 2 with masters degrees and at least 2 of them are rabid. When I talk with them, they repeat rethug talking points verbatim like parrots ... so I give them crackers.
One of them has determined that I am the smartest in the family...why? Because I put $43k in each of their pockets because they didn't know how to sell a piece of real estate.
I sent the one who thinks I'm a genius (they mistake commonsense for genius) an article about brainwashing. It describes how Pavlov's experiments with dogs and making them salivate at the ringing of a bell. What isn't taught about Pavlov's experiments is that his laboratories got flooded by torrential rains and numerous dogs perished. The surviving ones lost all signs of the conditioning. I said to him that will happen to republicans when the full damage of the economy from bush's administration shows itself during Obama's administration and then sent him pictures of Berlin in 1945 and told him his investment portfolio will look like it. He told me he's lost 30%, I told him I've lost 1.28% but my precious metals will take off when the reality of the economic damage by the bush administration REALLY shows itself. Nobody likes me for what I say...nobody...but the canary in the economic mine are countries like Iceland and Argentina.

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Here's what really happened.....
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 9, 2008 4:44 PM   
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....the Republican Party controlled Capitol Hill since 1996, and when BushCo got in, they had total godlike control from 2000 to 2006.....and they ask themselves; "What happened?"

Let me help you out.....fill in the blanks when the jackass stole the election in 2000 to Election Day 2006, then you will have your answer....I already know the answer.

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Fye on Reconciliation!
Posted by: greenPuker on Nov 9, 2008 6:42 PM   
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This victory is NO time for grace. It is time for the most insulting in-your-face spittal that can be generated. These moronic fools will NOT learn by ...."wait a second while I turn my other cheek". There is NO sadness over such a significant segment of the population having been raised, taught, and manipulated into holding such extreme bigoted views? No lesson will be imparted if we do the gracious thing. They were the keepers of their immoral compass. I am not one to suck up extreme anger and disgust. We may all live in this country together but the appropriate response to what they have done is spittal in there face! Eight years of disgust! Let our new POTUS deliver tolerance and grace. I for one will spit in their face at every opportunity and reiterate the crimes they have perpetrated. It's time to list crimes, investigate, and punish!

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Well said!
Posted by: Parcival01 on Nov 10, 2008 7:03 AM   
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And thanks for introducing me to a few more right wing web blabs.

I noted many such diatribes on Amazon.com, where people would praise Corsi's and Fredosso's books as fact, and on some pages I'd listed under my "right wing loons" bookmark. My God, the rabies out there! They made McCain's smears seem almost civil! But now the right is going to have to eat their words for a while?

Well, I warned many--indluding elected officials whom I know--that if Obama wins, we should expect at least four years of constant whining. "Oh, we REAL Americans are such victims..." Sure, we heard it even when they were in the majority in the House, the Senate, the Courts and the media, but it'll be worse. But for the time being anyway we can revel in the right's looking like they'd just been released from Abu Ghraid.

Eat it you right wing loons. Now who's a "real American"?

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Gloating Gives Way to Worry. . .
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 10, 2008 11:04 AM   
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Like many others on AlterNet, I thoroughly enjoyed reading about the circular firing squad that the Far Right has indulged in in the days immediately after the election.

But my glee has rapidly given way to worry as I learned that white supremacist extremists have made over 500 death threats against Barack Obama and his family -- which I felt compelled to report on my blog today (See URL below; copy and paste it if the link doesn't work).

Knowing how armed tot he teeth some of these extremists can be, I'm suddenly forced to recall the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995 -- the worst act of terrorism on U.S. soil prior to 9/11.

My fear is that we will see a dramatic upsurge in domestic terrorism by right-wing extremist groups during Obama's presidency.

"The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance. . ."

http://www.skeeterbitesreport.com/2008/11/
secret-service-fbi-on-high-alert-after.html

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My Cuntry T'is of thee foul land of Bigotry on thee I swing
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 11, 2008 1:08 AM   
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People are not going to get a break from this quarter, I grew up in Indiana home of The KKK and the WAY ninnies. Incidentally I was against the NAZI regime when it was still under sway of Ford and Prescott Bush just after Der Furhres death.

And so listen chillin to dee call of dee wild. If you don’t like NAZI’s honk your horn! I is a white honky mo’ fo’ myself and proud of it; you black, yellow, red, brown, purple, blue and green folk can laugh your asses off at me but if you need help kicking NAZI asses call me up! You will find me in yahoo.com@komodo39 if you are too lazy to unscramble that forget it. I been in that business for forty eight years now and it just keeps getting funnier every time I kick one!

Bye the bye, not all NAZI’s are pure blood; some are fakes, in the business for the gore and glory of it. I recommend you superglue all their orifices shut to prevent pollution of the surrounding atmosphere. Slather their naked butts down with honey and turn loose a bunch of well fed hound dogs on them. No skip that last they might like it!

Do not let these people win your hearts to love or hatred. Defend yourselves if you must, but DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EXPECT THE COPS TO PROTECT YOU. When the cops get involved they’ll arrest you BOTH, it is their sworn duty to do so. When you get in the slam the NAZI’s will have a support group and you will have diddly squat. You will become “fresh meat”, “the walking dead” food for the machine you have created to give yourselves that false “feeling of security”.

You have more security if you provide it yourselves, note the locations of your nearest lawn waste processing and make sure they have a tree shredder. Anything left dead on your front lawn is yard waste. Pack it up press it down and drop it in a shredder on the other side of town. Do not expect protection from the Homeland Security Office they are the product of the PATRIOT ACT they are there to protect the NAZI’s from vermin like you! Have Doubts? Read public Law 107.54 you will see an Outline for The New American Century with Michael Chertoff at its head.
These are the people who brought us to this state : > Bush, McCain, Cheney, Clinton, Obama, Rove, Pat Robertson, and the pope are my enemies. Reason? They make my decisions for me without asking my approval or seeking my thoughts on the subject. And they have all OK’ed the Patriot Act!!!


NO ONE IS YOUR SUPERIOR! If you think that they are, you are a slave and your number is already stamped in your memory or carried in your hand or in your wallet. You cannot buy or sell without that number you cannot buy food nor support your family but that you have that number. It is called a Social Security Number.

It was not intended to be this way but you chose not to guard the guardians and now you will be paying the piper and the ferryman with stolen money. These people have stolen my birthright and yours right-out from in front of our noses. Who is to blame; go look into the bathroom mirror. I keep one above the mantel piece so I know who let these thieves into the hen house.

What they have done is personal; they did it with malice aforethought and with criminal intent. I will tell them I know them even If I am shot for it! Do not raise your fist in anger at these liars; they are protected by more riches than you ever knew existed. But, I for one will not allow them to get near me that I do not protest in the bitterness of my soul.

And you Pat Robertson you scheming money laundering servant of the bottomless pit, deserve to be pecked to death by Ducks! I have had it with the foul mouth hypocritical turn coat way you treat the least of Gods children. May your shorts wedge so tight you start singing Coloratura Soprano unbidden! May your dog show you the contents of his stomach!

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Republicans need mental health care
Posted by: metamind on Nov 14, 2008 6:51 PM   
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Consider it "re-programming" or "deprogramming" if you wish. Republicans have been abused with bad information and mental "memes" about politics, life and the universe.

Intervention is call for under these circumstances, just like with an alcoholic or drug addict. Programming can be a drug too.

Free Mental health care NOW for everyone, especially Republicans.

They really need it to recover from the lies they have believed for so long.

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Bull dooky! I am speaking on why MEDIA should be squirming!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 14, 2008 6:54 PM   
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There is no hodge poge about American choices and policies, no blame setting, if this then that. Horse shit! The Civil war was about STATES RIGHTS not slavery, get that through your thick mellons.

I don't give a rats ass what your High School history teacher gave you in that pabulum they pass as historical fact. GO TO THE SOURCE!

In THIS election in THIS TIME right Effig HERE I am concerned that we do not forget that the constitution as it was written was raped!

I don't want to hear any made up stories about how or why it was raped bring: me recorded FACTS or keep your maunderings to yourself.

X did this because y did that but because N was screwing z behind the Austrian boarder, holy Jesus jumped up Nelly! WHAT? I mean WHAT!!!! Where do these dingbats get this crapola You want my sources? Fine ask me I only trust books by PARTICIPANTS not wool gatherers, I will refer you to libraries or websites that deal with facts not nonsense. Facts are easy they give dates & times of meetings, names of people and places ivolved and who said what to whom; just like the minutes of a Legal Proceeding.

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Delicious, but temporary
Posted by: Naturalboy on Nov 15, 2008 12:52 AM   
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This is not over.

Buzz-kill though it may be, be apprised that so stacked against success did the neocons condemn the next admin, Barack can't possibly deliver the hope he promises, & the goons will be b-a-a-a-k.

It is less the fault of Faux, rather it is the vast crime of the red-state, rednecked, bible-belted electorate themselves that Hannity was so successful.

If Vietnam was not enough to prove to the 'illiterati' of this land that gratuitous, illegal amerigoon militarism is obsolete, then nothing logical can.

The fact that Limbaugh, Coultergeist, Billo & Hannity still have so much traction in the heartland (as in over 50% of families), and that the sinister alliance of neocons and evangelicals still made this election so close despite all, proves only one point:

America is indeed the beautiful, but THE USA SUCKS.

What will finally teach the 'What's the Matter With Kansas' miscreants of middle amerigaah the errors of their ways? Perhaps only total and lasting economic collapse.

Let their greed-based illiterate jingoistic 'pitchfork wielding' mob mentality be utterly imploded by poverty and perhaps a semblance of morality and humility might take root once again, as it did in the last depression (Once Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie represented popular american ideals in their songs).

At the very least the disaster of amerigoon militarism might be less virulent, if not because the newest custodian of the one constitutional convention nobody cares to defy, that of kommander in cheif of the most nauseating military machine ever concocted is any less suspect, but because this country may at long last run out of cash with which to spend over 50% of their revenue net of the Social Security trust, on weapons of war.

The failure of the liberals and Democrats of this ill-gotten nation to dissent the Iraq war (or the atrocities of all the US 'interventions'since the end of ww2), the failure of these same self-congratulatory Pelosi-ites to impeach Botchco and try them for genuine warcrimes before they get their blanket self-pardon, is a huge blemish on any reputation of the so-called literate left.

Be not so proud. The literate and the enlightened of the upper-west-sides of this land are as much complicit in the crimes of this nation for their brunch-munching, NY Crimes-reading failure to dissent, as are the 'flesh eating ghouls' who haunt the heartland.

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abusedbypenguins
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Nov 15, 2008 6:40 PM   
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Fix Noise (fox news) is the old fart channel, 'cause only old farts (or the seriously deranged) could take any of their nonsence seriously.

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After The Gold Rush
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Nov 17, 2008 4:55 PM   
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Once, long ago, a media conglomerate called Fox News appeared on the scene to give a dissatisfied horde of people flocking to their place on TV to look for an idea, a belief, a piece of gold, something to stir their passions about living in modern day America with a conservative bent.
Thorought the past years its audience grew as people began to see it as a claim to a gold mine, and they sought to mine its fascinating nuggets for what they were worth. Its reach touched every part of the nation, and its weight was tapped to further a particular cause of one group.
Pretty soon the minefield became crowded as the medium attracted a broad spectrum of people from talking heads to politicians to religious leaders-nearly anyone who staked a claim to this network. Those on the right thought if you didn't have a claim, you're were treated as an outsider; a "liberal" or some other underserving label. Fox was riding high.
However as we know about the law of motion-what goes up, must come down-and so after Obama's victory-the mine was closing. All the gold is practically gone from Fox-and with the void came a loss of viewers who felt they were holding a worthless claim of tenets from their beloved station.
What people failed to investigate is Fox had false claims to journalistic truth. People were hornswoggled to digesting all that came from that network to the Iraq war to everything about life in the U.S. under liberal values.
Fox is left answering to this angry horde of followers who bought into the network's bluster. They're mad and have nowhere to turn to. They won't seek help and are too proud to turn to another channel.
In Fox's view, the gold rush is over. Fox is trying to appeal to another audience. Many Fox watchers are disillusioned; they fell for their drivel. No they look to someone else with a claim but no one wants to reach out to them. Fox will keep on, but who knows what they'll do next. Haven't we grown weary of this kind of reporting? Will Fox change its mantra?
Someone tell Rupert Murdoch not to look over his shoulder; the mob is close behind him-with torches and pitchforks in tow.

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