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Defining a New 'New Deal'
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A profound political question is suddenly on the table: Must the country continue to give precedence to private financial gain and market determinism over human lives and broad public values? Or shall we now undertake a radical restoration on behalf of society and people?
New Orleans, strange exception though it seems, is actually an extreme microcosm of the nation's general afflictions and social inequities. It's the place where reform politics can launch its long-deferred counteroffensive. The conservative mindset is flummoxed by these tragic new circumstances. Republican ideologues acquired governing power by promising to liberate Americans from the government's intrusive powers, but they succeeded all too well. If "market forces" are allowed to design the recovery program, much of New Orleans and environs will be plowed up (think no-bid contracts for Halliburton and Bechtel) and reduced to a theme park for hot jazz, good restaurants and grubby jobs.
Newt Gingrich, always a reliable bellwether for the right-wing zeitgeist, is preaching that the right must change its tune "quickly" or face big losses. The old politics -- provoking culture wars about "moral values" -- will no longer suffice, he explained in a memo circulated among Republicans and the press. The new politics is about "performance," in which GOP government has to deliver. But while Gingrich's rhetoric is different, his ideas are the same old, same old. He urges George W. Bush to create a huge tax-free zone along the Gulf Coast where business enterprise will be subsidized and the oil industry relieved of meddlesome environmental regulation. The President's first noble gesture after the flood was to cut wages for construction workers on public projects.
More encouraging evidence of changed politics comes from the left. Some bold Democrats are doing what they haven't dared to do for many years, even decades: They are invoking their New Deal legacy and applying its liberal operating assumptions to the present crisis. In the totality of the Gulf Coast destruction, the economy and the society have been collapsed. As New Dealers understood, you cannot fix one without fixing the other. And only the federal government has the resources and authority to lead such a complex undertaking.
Senator Edward Kennedy calls for a "Gulf Coast Regional Redevelopment Authority," modeled after FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority, to lead the rebuilding. Former Senator John Edwards proposes a vast new jobs program, patterned after the New Deal's Works Progress Administration (WPA) and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), in which the displaced and the poor are hired at living wages to clean up and rebuild their devastated communities. In the week after Katrina, Representatives Dennis Kucinich and Stephanie Tubbs Jones swiftly rounded up 88 House co-sponsors, including some from Mississippi and Louisiana, for a similar initiative.
As the dimensions of this challenge become clearer, reformers will discover other New Deal models they can emulate and adapt to present circumstances. For instance, in the 1930s Roosevelt's Reconstruction Finance Corporation was a central player in rebuilding the industrial economy, because it acted like a public-spirited investment banker empowered to channel startup capital to collapsed companies, provide temporary protection from creditors and impose equitable terms on how the private firms relate to social priorities. This time cities and schools need similar help.
The government, meanwhile, must quickly become the employer of last resort across the region. Neither local school systems nor small-business employers can recover unless their communities have a large, reliable base of wage incomes -- that is, government-financed jobs to sustain customers and taxpayers. You can't rebuild homes without tools and materials or temporary relief from mortgage defaults. You can't reopen schools if their tax base is gone. You can't prevent poor people from sliding back into desperate conditions unless government creates ladders of upward mobility. Recognizing such social-economic connections was the essence of New Deal innovation. Serious politicians need to jump-start their imaginations. This born-again New Deal spirit isn't backward-looking but instead can seize the opportunity to address grave issues -- such as the myriad ecological dangers spawned by our hydrocarbon economy--that status-quo politics neglects, like the New Orleans levees.
This new ferment is only just beginning, but the crisis is young, and the hunger for big reform is rapidly gaining momentum. The media haven't paid much attention so far because the New Deal proposals probably sound like historic relics. But the aptness of the ideas -- aggressive government intervention, integrated across many fronts -- will become clearer to people if Democrats re-educate the electorate.
That re-education can begin if progressives first provoke a big argument among Democrats themselves. What do they now believe about government's obligations to society? This is a good fight to have and, besides, intramural political spats are always newsworthy. This one will be substantive as well. Terrible events have handed Democrats the material for a strong and enduring governing agenda.
George Bush, meet "Dr. New Deal." Reactionary Republicans loathed FDR and sneered at his corny slogans, while he wickedly ridiculed them in return. The voters understood his spirit and forgave the mistakes. They laughed with him and loved him for caring.
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Posted by: dearkitty on Sep 21, 2005 1:42 AM
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Posted by: sovinformburo on Sep 21, 2005 2:03 AM
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Yes we need a new deal. But this will not arise by reasoned debate with a political party that is basically built on a platform of HATE and not REASON.
All language is coded but the Republican party has dismanted the New Deal based upon a mandate of HATE FILLED special interest groups who have hi-jacked language - agents of hate cloaked in the garb of the bible...., agents of greed raping and exploiting the country..... basically self absorbed perverts and vultures.
There is no dialogue with possible with such a party. The only option for a "New Deal" is to be in the driver's seat to implement it.
This means organising the opposition to MOBILISE and OVERTHROW the present administration and the various attendent carpetbaggers riding on the coattails.
We do not need POLITICAL DEBATE with these ill-intentioned people. They need to be LIQUIDATED and DESTROYED as a political party and political class. Political strategy should aim at OBTAINING POLITICAL POWER and then shredding the disparate hate filled components of the Republican party into confetti.
Alas, all I see in Alternet is ineffective bellyaching. We know what the problem is. Let's focus on riding these Republican perverts and vultures out of Washington, back into the stinking dark hole they crawled out of.
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Posted by: menckenman on Sep 21, 2005 5:13 AM
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Civil government drowned in a bathtub, an enormous military power controlled by born-again Christians, propping up crony corporate control over global resources and life processes.
A lot of heathens will have to die so a few christians can be saved. All in the plan, reason be damned.
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Sep 21, 2005 6:06 AM
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All levels of government failed 'we the people:''
The Louisianna wetlands are diseased,
We can no longer deny that class and racial injustice are a part of the American landscape in the 21st century.
The American people are better than the government we now have and 'we the people' have an incredible opportunity at this moment to wake up and recognize the fact that any institution only has power because 'we the people' recognize that institution as having power and authority.
When the institution no longer serves 'we the people' reform and transformation becomes the ultimate challenge and opportunity for all the people to DO SOMETHING...
www.wearewideawake.org
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 21, 2005 6:47 AM
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There is no progressive alternative. The Democrats are dependent on the same dirty money as the Republicans and are as desperate for power. As long as they are part of the corporate elite/lobby system they will continue to serve the interests of corporate America.
I agree that some democrats are more progresive than others and made excellent proposals for rebuilding the areas damaged by Katrina. But where was Ted Kennedy on the war and military occupation of Iraq? Where was Ted Kennedy when a Senator's signature was needed to force a debate on the 2000 and 2004 presidential election? Ted Kennedy is a consumate politcian and knows the boundaries within which he must opertate to remain a viable candidate for re-election. The same is true of the other so-called progressive Democrats.
I live in Canada and if you want a glimpse of a real progressive party check out the NDP (New Democratic Party). They don't have to worry about accepting corporate donations because corporations in Canada just wish they would go away.
I am sorry to rain on your parade but it will take a lot more than Katrina to bring in a progressive government in the U.S.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 21, 2005 7:37 AM
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Let’s educate the young about how we got to where we are now.
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Posted by: memememem on Sep 21, 2005 8:39 AM
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Stop being ethnocentric just for a jiffy.
The Germans rejected this weekend unbridled runaway free marketing. Before that the Dutch and the French rejected a European Constitution that smacked of Anglo-saxon liberalism.
Before that Spain kicked their conservative arrogant bush lover government.
It does not have to be the way the US unilaterally dictates. Low wages, insecurity, patriot act, blairist spin. The Germans, the French, the Dutch and do not forget little Norway etc.. resolutely chose a system of goernment however imperfect, that tries to balance Business Interests with social needs.
The number of people in those countries living in Poverty is less than 10% , still high but how does it compare with UK 17% and US 24%.
Sure there are more Billionnaires in America. What do they give back to the rest of society?
As the world watches with deepening concern America self -distructing and losing credibility, I sort of feel reassured selfishly that my best years are behin me.
But the look of distress on children's faces from Gaza to Irak, Aceh to Timor.
When I was last in Hanoi, I simply could not go walking alone as cries of FUCK YOU YANKEE came out of every street corner.
Thirty years later!
Has America enough inner resources to regenerate itself?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 21, 2005 9:32 AM
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I never know whether the dream of overthrow is youthful enthusiasm or an excuse for the inability to close a deal.
Sure, continue to demand radical change. But don't run away from the table. Radicalism will never be dominant in the US. But it can push for meaningful change.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 21, 2005 9:56 AM
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'Promote Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness' or
'Provide for the Common Defense' of the People.
Firstly you don't scheme away Healthcare,Socical Security and W2. Make these FULLY FUNDED, OFF BUDGET programs that the greedy in D.C. can't ever get their hands on.
Life,Liberty and Happiness we DON'T HAVE here. How the hell are we supposed to convince other nations we're exporting 'Freedom and Democracy' when they are non-existant in America. Women are far from equal and if you are a person of Color,you already know the tail. A 'Common Defense' might be HONEST
dealings with other nations,respecting the sacred sites instead of buliding military bases on them, not dealing with the scum-sucking bottom feeders that pass for Leaders. Stop the supporting oppressive regiemes with laws,guns,and money. It's time to get TRUE PEACEMAKERS into politics, cut the monied well-wallets out of politics,the only folks they care about are corruptivly rich.
We can rebuild New Orleans into a model City that's energy efficeint and supportive for all people regardless of income.
The same is true of the GOV. We just have to remove the Human Debris.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 21, 2005 9:55 AM
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1- The Rabid Right would label us terrorists, which leads to objection #2
2- Since they command the military, they could use our insurrection as an excuse to commit genocide.
3- No courageous democratic leaders have stepped forward to legitimize and lead a rebellion.
4- Civil War is bad for Big Business and the corporate media would side with them.
Let me offer another suggestion:
Civil Disobedience raised to the level of Individual Guerilla Warfare. All of us taking individual initiative.
1- We could stop filing tax returns.
2- We are everywhere in government and corporations. As individuals, we can attack from within from top to bottom. Money is the root of their power. We could disrupt the flow of money upwards. For example: Power company filing clerks could shred billing records, and meter readers falsify reports.
We would have no leaders, no organization, and no power structure for them to attack. We would be anonymous Freedom Fighters.
True, we are at the bottom of the heap, but we are everywhere and they can’t fire all of us.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Sep 21, 2005 10:21 AM
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I implore all americans to really get into new some of these new aims, ideals & strategies & start to improve the terrible situations forced upon the populace of the USA by these fart-brain politicians. Keep up the good work people.
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Posted by: reason on Sep 21, 2005 2:54 PM
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Those who have became rich under the "new deal" are working overtime to destroy it. We can't let that happen.
Look where the republicans have taken most of us with their new ideas. Downward. And they have just began. They are hellbent on destroying the middle class, social security, labor unions, and cut taxes to where the working people pay more than the rich.
They have given health insurance free reign to rip off Medicare. It will soon be unaffordable. They are raising rates again. We had a large surplus in one part of Medicare until Bush threw it to market forces, with no bidding.
The home insurance companies have 400 billion dollars put up for any disaster that comes up. Yet, they are telling Katrina disaster victims that have hurricane insurance, they don't cover water damage.
Health insurance probably has more money put up than the homeowners insurance companies do. They are raking it in. They are making those on insurance pay a higher deductible and higher costs on their medicine. It is $50 for most people's part of one prescription. It is less for generics, but not all medicine has generics.
Bush has said that America will be a good place to do business. We want America to be a good place to live, not the playground of the rich.
It is becoming clearer what Bush means when he talks of freedom. It is freedom for the wealthy to raid our government programs.
They keep saying the tax cuts work. They are making more money, so are paying more taxes. If that is true, why is the market where it was 5 years ago? Why are we in debt? It must be from oil, insurance and having a captive buyers in Iraq for Bush's buddies. It isn't trickling down.
Insurance is going up, they are saying, because of Katrina.
The wealthy don't want to pay the expenses of keeping up the intrastructure of America. They don't want to pay the Social Security surplus back. They want to let our grandchildren be saddled with a deficit. They are deadbeats driving around town in a Mercedes while using our retirement savings.
They may be making more money, but they are draining the rest of us and America.
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Posted by: spanky on Sep 21, 2005 6:56 PM
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Call it selfishness or human nature or whatever, but for many as long as they still have the SUV in the driveway (probably doesn't fit in the garage), can still afford the latest jumbo teevee, and can still go gorge on a pile of animal fat at the Outback, they will not rise up for the greater good and demand change.
We are conditioned to not think too long or too deeply about world events or to connect the dots, and the lunatics in power count on this.
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Posted by: Wells on Sep 22, 2005 1:27 PM
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There is no replacement for petroleum. There is no way to manage the amount of travel and transport which General Motors, Standard Oil, City Bank and Walmart corporate fascism has constructed. Every American city is on the rocks.
The rich are constructing their isolated retreats and will let loose the dogs of war and the priests of damnation. There are too many of us workers and useless eaters. Solutions are possible, marvelous reorganizations of development, economics that equitably provide higher standards of living and restorations of our natural heritage, but these include a redistribution of power. The rich will not relinquish control even for their own survival.
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Posted by: sovinformburo on Sep 21, 2005 2:03 AM
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Yes we need a new deal. But this will not arise by reasoned debate with a political party that is basically built on a platform of HATE and not REASON.
All language is coded but the Republican party has dismanted the New Deal based upon a mandate of HATE FILLED special interest groups who have hi-jacked language - agents of hate cloaked in the garb of the bible...., agents of greed raping and exploiting the country..... basically self absorbed perverts and vultures.
There is no dialogue with possible with such a party. The only option for a "New Deal" is to be in the driver's seat to implement it.
This means organising the opposition to MOBILISE and OVERTHROW the present administration and the various attendent carpetbaggers riding on the coattails.
We do not need POLITICAL DEBATE with these ill-intentioned people. They need to be LIQUIDATED and DESTROYED as a political party and political class. Political strategy should aim at OBTAINING POLITICAL POWER and then shredding the disparate hate filled components of the Republican party into confetti.
Alas, all I see in Alternet is ineffective bellyaching. We know what the problem is. Let's focus on riding these Republican perverts and vultures out of Washington, back into the stinking dark hole they crawled out of.
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Posted by: menckenman on Sep 21, 2005 5:13 AM
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Civil government drowned in a bathtub, an enormous military power controlled by born-again Christians, propping up crony corporate control over global resources and life processes.
A lot of heathens will have to die so a few christians can be saved. All in the plan, reason be damned.
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Sep 21, 2005 6:06 AM
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All levels of government failed 'we the people:''
The Louisianna wetlands are diseased,
We can no longer deny that class and racial injustice are a part of the American landscape in the 21st century.
The American people are better than the government we now have and 'we the people' have an incredible opportunity at this moment to wake up and recognize the fact that any institution only has power because 'we the people' recognize that institution as having power and authority.
When the institution no longer serves 'we the people' reform and transformation becomes the ultimate challenge and opportunity for all the people to DO SOMETHING...
www.wearewideawake.org
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Sep 21, 2005 6:47 AM
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There is no progressive alternative. The Democrats are dependent on the same dirty money as the Republicans and are as desperate for power. As long as they are part of the corporate elite/lobby system they will continue to serve the interests of corporate America.
I agree that some democrats are more progresive than others and made excellent proposals for rebuilding the areas damaged by Katrina. But where was Ted Kennedy on the war and military occupation of Iraq? Where was Ted Kennedy when a Senator's signature was needed to force a debate on the 2000 and 2004 presidential election? Ted Kennedy is a consumate politcian and knows the boundaries within which he must opertate to remain a viable candidate for re-election. The same is true of the other so-called progressive Democrats.
I live in Canada and if you want a glimpse of a real progressive party check out the NDP (New Democratic Party). They don't have to worry about accepting corporate donations because corporations in Canada just wish they would go away.
I am sorry to rain on your parade but it will take a lot more than Katrina to bring in a progressive government in the U.S.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 21, 2005 7:37 AM
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Let’s educate the young about how we got to where we are now.
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Posted by: 2+2=5 on Sep 21, 2005 8:03 AM
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Posted by: memememem on Sep 21, 2005 8:39 AM
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Stop being ethnocentric just for a jiffy.
The Germans rejected this weekend unbridled runaway free marketing. Before that the Dutch and the French rejected a European Constitution that smacked of Anglo-saxon liberalism.
Before that Spain kicked their conservative arrogant bush lover government.
It does not have to be the way the US unilaterally dictates. Low wages, insecurity, patriot act, blairist spin. The Germans, the French, the Dutch and do not forget little Norway etc.. resolutely chose a system of goernment however imperfect, that tries to balance Business Interests with social needs.
The number of people in those countries living in Poverty is less than 10% , still high but how does it compare with UK 17% and US 24%.
Sure there are more Billionnaires in America. What do they give back to the rest of society?
As the world watches with deepening concern America self -distructing and losing credibility, I sort of feel reassured selfishly that my best years are behin me.
But the look of distress on children's faces from Gaza to Irak, Aceh to Timor.
When I was last in Hanoi, I simply could not go walking alone as cries of FUCK YOU YANKEE came out of every street corner.
Thirty years later!
Has America enough inner resources to regenerate itself?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 21, 2005 9:32 AM
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I never know whether the dream of overthrow is youthful enthusiasm or an excuse for the inability to close a deal.
Sure, continue to demand radical change. But don't run away from the table. Radicalism will never be dominant in the US. But it can push for meaningful change.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 21, 2005 9:56 AM
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'Promote Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness' or
'Provide for the Common Defense' of the People.
Firstly you don't scheme away Healthcare,Socical Security and W2. Make these FULLY FUNDED, OFF BUDGET programs that the greedy in D.C. can't ever get their hands on.
Life,Liberty and Happiness we DON'T HAVE here. How the hell are we supposed to convince other nations we're exporting 'Freedom and Democracy' when they are non-existant in America. Women are far from equal and if you are a person of Color,you already know the tail. A 'Common Defense' might be HONEST
dealings with other nations,respecting the sacred sites instead of buliding military bases on them, not dealing with the scum-sucking bottom feeders that pass for Leaders. Stop the supporting oppressive regiemes with laws,guns,and money. It's time to get TRUE PEACEMAKERS into politics, cut the monied well-wallets out of politics,the only folks they care about are corruptivly rich.
We can rebuild New Orleans into a model City that's energy efficeint and supportive for all people regardless of income.
The same is true of the GOV. We just have to remove the Human Debris.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 21, 2005 9:55 AM
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1- The Rabid Right would label us terrorists, which leads to objection #2
2- Since they command the military, they could use our insurrection as an excuse to commit genocide.
3- No courageous democratic leaders have stepped forward to legitimize and lead a rebellion.
4- Civil War is bad for Big Business and the corporate media would side with them.
Let me offer another suggestion:
Civil Disobedience raised to the level of Individual Guerilla Warfare. All of us taking individual initiative.
1- We could stop filing tax returns.
2- We are everywhere in government and corporations. As individuals, we can attack from within from top to bottom. Money is the root of their power. We could disrupt the flow of money upwards. For example: Power company filing clerks could shred billing records, and meter readers falsify reports.
We would have no leaders, no organization, and no power structure for them to attack. We would be anonymous Freedom Fighters.
True, we are at the bottom of the heap, but we are everywhere and they can’t fire all of us.
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Sep 21, 2005 10:21 AM
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I implore all americans to really get into new some of these new aims, ideals & strategies & start to improve the terrible situations forced upon the populace of the USA by these fart-brain politicians. Keep up the good work people.
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Posted by: Asses of Evil on Sep 21, 2005 11:30 AM
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Posted by: reason on Sep 21, 2005 2:54 PM
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Those who have became rich under the "new deal" are working overtime to destroy it. We can't let that happen.
Look where the republicans have taken most of us with their new ideas. Downward. And they have just began. They are hellbent on destroying the middle class, social security, labor unions, and cut taxes to where the working people pay more than the rich.
They have given health insurance free reign to rip off Medicare. It will soon be unaffordable. They are raising rates again. We had a large surplus in one part of Medicare until Bush threw it to market forces, with no bidding.
The home insurance companies have 400 billion dollars put up for any disaster that comes up. Yet, they are telling Katrina disaster victims that have hurricane insurance, they don't cover water damage.
Health insurance probably has more money put up than the homeowners insurance companies do. They are raking it in. They are making those on insurance pay a higher deductible and higher costs on their medicine. It is $50 for most people's part of one prescription. It is less for generics, but not all medicine has generics.
Bush has said that America will be a good place to do business. We want America to be a good place to live, not the playground of the rich.
It is becoming clearer what Bush means when he talks of freedom. It is freedom for the wealthy to raid our government programs.
They keep saying the tax cuts work. They are making more money, so are paying more taxes. If that is true, why is the market where it was 5 years ago? Why are we in debt? It must be from oil, insurance and having a captive buyers in Iraq for Bush's buddies. It isn't trickling down.
Insurance is going up, they are saying, because of Katrina.
The wealthy don't want to pay the expenses of keeping up the intrastructure of America. They don't want to pay the Social Security surplus back. They want to let our grandchildren be saddled with a deficit. They are deadbeats driving around town in a Mercedes while using our retirement savings.
They may be making more money, but they are draining the rest of us and America.
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Posted by: ebdotkom on Sep 21, 2005 4:53 PM
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Posted by: spanky on Sep 21, 2005 6:56 PM
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Call it selfishness or human nature or whatever, but for many as long as they still have the SUV in the driveway (probably doesn't fit in the garage), can still afford the latest jumbo teevee, and can still go gorge on a pile of animal fat at the Outback, they will not rise up for the greater good and demand change.
We are conditioned to not think too long or too deeply about world events or to connect the dots, and the lunatics in power count on this.
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Posted by: Wells on Sep 22, 2005 1:27 PM
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There is no replacement for petroleum. There is no way to manage the amount of travel and transport which General Motors, Standard Oil, City Bank and Walmart corporate fascism has constructed. Every American city is on the rocks.
The rich are constructing their isolated retreats and will let loose the dogs of war and the priests of damnation. There are too many of us workers and useless eaters. Solutions are possible, marvelous reorganizations of development, economics that equitably provide higher standards of living and restorations of our natural heritage, but these include a redistribution of power. The rich will not relinquish control even for their own survival.
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» RE: It's the car, man. - Absolutely correct, Wells!!!
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» RE: It's the car, man. - Absolutely correct, Wells!!!
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» RE:insanityprevails - It's more than just the car!
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