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It's the Governance, Stupid!
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But they will inevitably overlook the most frighteningly obvious lesson from all of this.
What Katrina revealed about our federal government was an utter lack of competence, and the sorry state of its institutions after 30 years of spending on the wrong priorities.
There was plenty of government to go around somewhere. The image of hundreds of school buses, which could have evacuated New Orleans residents, that were lying under 10 feet of water in an abandoned city depot is emblematic. The federal government had water, medicine, food and security at hand, in addition to the transportation needed to get it down to the coast in a hurry. As the Washington Post's Bill Arkin wrote, "The problem wasn't the lack of resources available. It was leadership, decisiveness, foresight. The problem was commanding and mobilizing the resources, civil and military."
And the sad and unsettling statement by President Bush that the military is the "institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations" only drove the point home. Katrina showed that Americans need a more inclusive idea of security from their representatives, instead of just the usual platitudes about "strong defense."
The vivid failure to protect American citizens in harm's way gives progressives a rare opportunity to change the subject in an important national discussion; right now, a unified left could reframe the debate about the role of government from whether smaller is better to a discussion of what we expect it to do. The way to do that is to highlight a concept that should become a shibboleth for progressives: the imperative of good governance.
Good governance is a catch-all phrase used by scholars of comparative politics. They define it differently, but in its most succinct form, the idea has four parts. First, and most importantly, good governance means responding to the needs of your citizenry. That may seem painfully obvious to you and me, but the world is full of leaders who don't get it -- or don't care to.
Democracy is just as important -- in it is embedded the all-important principle of self- government. Good governance also rests on the rule of law and a healthy respect for judicial independence. The final pillar is transparency -- it's inconceivable that we could govern ourselves well without keeping tabs on what our representatives are cooking up in our name.
Katrina has brought into sharp relief that in each and every measure of governance, the current Republican leadership has failed miserably. And they're vulnerable for it -- the fog is beginning to clear.
People are starting to see that, in an administration that has elevated politics to a religion, governing is but an afterthought. That became clear, even to the mainstream media, when political guru Karl Rove was elevated to Deputy Whitehouse Chief of Staff in charge of "coordinating domestic policy, economic policy, national security and homeland security," also known as everything.
In a disaster like Katrina, people fall back on the familiar -- they revert to form and "trust their gut." So it's telling that the first thought for rebuilding the Gulf Coast that came to the least transparent administration ever was: "Let's authorize a huge supplemental spending bill to be doled out to the same administration supporters that have bungled the reconstruction of Iraq under the same kind of controversial no-bid contracts."
And it should come as little surprise that a President who once responded to a question about the U.S. commitment to treaty law by snickering, "Oh, international law, well, let me call my lawyer," should also skirt domestic law in his zeal to depress wages for people working on the Gulf Coast reconstruction.
But nowhere is the shoddy governance of the current crop of Republicans more clearly illustrated than in their apparent inability to respond to the needs of ordinary American citizens.
Don't listen to the rhetoric coming from either side, just look at their legislative proposals and ask, cui bono?, or "who gains?" The legislation bouncing around makes one thing clear: No matter what the Nader set says, there is without a doubt a dime's worth of difference between the two parties' governing philosophies.
Just a few examples. While Illinois Democrats Rahm Emmanuel and Barack Obama were pushing legislation to speed tax refunds to hurricane victims, UPI reported that Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., were busy searching for a dead body rich enough to pay estate taxes so that they could put the repeal of the so-called "death tax" back on Congress's legislative agenda. Unfortunately for them, so few people are wealthy enough to pay the tax that, so far, their search has been fruitless.
Legislators went to their pet issues, and it was so revealing that the Washington Post ran a story headlined, "Some GOP Legislators Hit Jarring Notes in Addressing Katrina."
While Representative Jim McDermott, D-Wash., formerly a child psychologist, offered legislation that would extend benefits to tens of thousands of children in need of relief, Rick Santorum, R-Penn., was looking out for his donors, one of which is the corporate AccuWeather meteorological service. So he got busy in the days following the disaster by advancing legislation that would keep the National Weather Service out of the business of predicting the next deadly storm.
Naturally, both parties approved the emergency supplemental spending bill by a wide margin. But while several dozen conservative legislators led by Todd Aiken, R-Mo., were trying to push an amendment that would mandate cutting the non-defense budget by 2.5% across the board, Democrats were also proposing comprehensive, long-term aid to the stricken areas for housing, keeping kids in school and healthcare.
Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. suggested forming a Gulf Coast Redevelopment Authority modeled on FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority. In fact, there's been quite a bit of talk about a "new New Deal" in progressive circles. As William Greider wrote in The Nation:
Some bold Democrats are doing what they haven't dared to do for many years, even decades: They are invoking their New Deal legacy and applying its liberal operating assumptions to the present crisis.At the same time, the New York Times reported that "Republican leaders in Congress and some White House officials see opportunities in Hurricane Katrina" to advance controversial legislation like "giving students vouchers to pay for private schools, paying churches to help with temporary housing and scaling back business regulation." In addition to President Bush's suspension of federal prevailing-wage laws, Senator James Inhofe, R-Okla., offered a bill that would allow the EPA to suspend environmental regulations during the reconstruction. These acts are the very essence of poor governance: placing cronyism and ideology over the needs of devastated communities.
And, worryingly for GOP leaders, this is obvious to the point where it defies ideological barriers. According to the Washington Post's David Ignatius, even Newt Gingrich is talking about how the Republicans need to move away from the "culture wars" in the wake of Katrina and start focusing on "performance."
Which is why progressives should be watching, collectively, for more stories about this profound disconnect to continue to be reported, as they surely will, and progressives should shout them from every street corner in America. Message Americans need to send to Washington: it's the governance, stupid!
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Posted by: sovinformburo on Sep 21, 2005 1:49 AM
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Not quite. I would say Katrina may be the catalyst to enable the opposition to MOBILISE and OVERTHROW the present administration and the various attendent carpetbaggers riding on the coattails.
We do not need POLITICAL DEBATE with these ill-intentioned people. They need to be LIQUIDATED and DESTROYED as a political party and political class.
We will only be safe when the Republican party is destroyed to the point it becomes irrelevant as it was between 1932-1952.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 21, 2005 2:29 AM
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But Nader could not have been more wrong with his bone-headed comment about the Dems being no different from the R'Pukes. With all of its deficiencies, America would have been infinitely better off with Gore in 2000, even with Kerry in 2004. The Republican Party is like a lethal case of AIDS when compared to the burning blisters of its political counterpart. Yeah, both are bad, but if I had to choose one, it would be easy.
Al Gore would NOT have invaded Iraq. He would not have ceased hunting Bin Laden nor diverted America's military away from that effort or the National Guard from defending America's cities. He would NOT have cut corporate and inheritance taxes or promoted repealing the estate tax. He would NOT have spoon-fed contracts to the corrupt Halliburton corporation nor been lax in the pursuit of the Enron criminals.
Gore would NOT have flouted the Kyoto accords. He would not have insulted America’s allies and isolated the US. He would NOT have instituted a policy of torture for the military or set up gulags in Guantanamo. He would NOT have signed the Clean Air or Clear Skies acts. NOR would he have signed the USA PATRIOT Act. He would NOT have made Ashcraft or Gonzales US Attorneys General, he would not have nominated Priscilla Owens or William Pryor for lifetime seats on the US Courts of Appeals, and you would never have heard of the name of John Bolton.
Gore's administration would not have outed Valerie Plame, which endangered the lives of other operatives and compromised their ability to collect important intelligence. NOR would Gore have fabricated intelligence. He would not have been nearly as secretive with the people and the press, NOR made the government as opaque as it is now.
Gore would NOT have politicized gay civil union or stem cell research, nor would he have intervened with Terry Schiavo's right to die. He would NOT have quietly condoned Diebold's et al. paperless black ballot boxes or Florida's and Ohio's voter intimidation and disenfranchisement shenanigans.
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Posted by: diof09 on Sep 21, 2005 4:16 AM
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1)conservative position: individuals decide their own course unfettered by taxes and government intervention... how many have been suckered by this? This sounds wonderful but what about those left behind? Herd them to another large arena and let nature take it's course? Social Darwinism, from the same people that ideologically believe that evolution is a dirty word and God had "intelligently designed" them to be in charge. I wonder if these same people know Ayn Rand was an atheist? OMG!!!
2) position two: the high-minded reverential esteem that conservatives hold constitutional originalism in, that the constitution should be interpretted as it was "originally" written, precedence should be ignored, and legislating from the bench is tantamount to treason. Yeah right, and wasn't it in the 1880s that the ultra-conservative, pro-business supreme court legislated the most widely-impacting decision: that corporations are persons with rights of due process just as humans? My impression of the founding fathers is they despised corporations (or the King's chartered companies as they were called then) as the Boston Tea Party demonstrated. I don't think we'll see that in a revised edition of Phyllis Schlafly's screed against SCOTUS activism: The Supremacists.
3) I also think there is a shifting position of the wingnuts' stance on 14th amendment protection for unborn life, privacy for the mom, and corporate persons' rights, but perhaps someone with more legal knowledge than me can respond.
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Posted by: fredo1012 on Sep 21, 2005 6:12 AM
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Why is it ok when this government commits the same and even more heinous attrocities? And why do the many good people of America put up with this Presidency?
This REALLY is no longer the America I gladly escaped to in pursuit of a free and ethically responsible society. The transition I've witnessed since 9-11 and now Katrina perturbs me deeply, and I fear the next five US Presidencies may never erase the damage done by the Bush II Presidency. That the many good people I know in America put up with such a potential threat to humanity's progress befuddles me.
Let's call a spade a spade. This is a corrupt government. It deserves impeachment, if not more.
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Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Sep 21, 2005 6:34 AM
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However, once the hurricane season subsides, the growing Abramoff scandal will ensnare so many Republican cronies in the executive and legislative branches that the public will demand better. Monday the government's top procurement officer (and Bush toady) was arrested for corruption for crying out loud. Absent the hurricanes, this would have been a major story.
With the Katrina failure as a backdrop, and what we'll probably learn from various Halliburton probes, the public will demand better. Who knows, maybe the government geek will become chic again.
On the Muse The United States of Halliburton
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Posted by: churchofone on Sep 21, 2005 7:01 AM
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Only by keeping the attention on the results of bad governance will be finally be able to shift the political debate from trying to legislate morality to the effectiveness of the current administration.
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Sep 21, 2005 8:08 AM
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The apotheosizing of "individual responsibility" is part of the ideology. Who among us are capable of providing for every eventuality entirely by and for themselves? Only the super rich! The merely well-off (who foolishly imagine themselves members of the ruling elite) will be stranded on the same rooftops as the rest of us.
Only when "we the people" assert our collective strength can we stand against the reptilian rich. These insatiable plutocrats HATE strong civil government for this reason; because it limits their individual power by providing for the COMMON good. Plutocrats have no use for anything common -- especially the common people. We are good only for fighting their wars (the offspring of the rich don't fight; self-styled "aristocrats" stopped providing cannon fodder after World War One) and for working in their factories -- where, if we demand living wages, the factories are now simply moved to countries where wage-slavery is openly supported (as opposed to covertly supported, as it is in the U.S.).
No one could be so naieve as to believe it a mere expediency that the first move GWB made toward the "re-building" of the Gulf Coast, was to suspend the federal regulation that requires re-builders to PAY THEIR WORKERS the "prevailing wage" of the region! By the way, Senator Kennedy was correct when he pointed that the prevailing wage of this region (I live in Arkansas) is only about $8 to $10 per hour, anyway. Only a glutted, arrogant plutocrat (i.e., a Bushite) could support reducing those wages to $5.15, which has for many years been the minimum wage in this, the "richest country in the world"!
As James Thurber (of all people) correctly pointed out, "Government of the rabbits by the foxes and for the foxes MUST perrish from the earth!"
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Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 21, 2005 9:53 AM
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We don't need a utopian theory of a perfect world. We have a long list of grievances that are obvious. Pragmatism is called for. There's work to be done. Resolve the existing problems. The remaining ones will then be easier to see.
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Posted by: malcolmartin on Sep 21, 2005 10:30 AM
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They are drenched in profits as we are drenched in blood. Their mass murder knows no limits and recognizes no national boundaries. The people of New Orleans were as thoughtlessly slaughtered as the people of Fallujah. Not a moments vacation spoiled. In the years to come this planet will either become a vast slave labor camp or capitalism will be uprooted and destroyed.
The people of the world feel this threat to life and liberty in their bones but they are leaderless, confused and unaware that there is a way out. But a resistance can be built and our vast numerical superiority gives us a shot to win! No matter our chances, we must prepare to fight now! This resistance movement will be labeled a socialist revolution and it will frighten privileged Americans and the progressive intelligentsia. So be it because events have made it crystal clear that only the choice of slavery and death or survival and liberty remain on the table.
How to get to an effective insurgency in the United States?
First, no deluding the American people that there will be any more elections in this country or that if you beg long enough they will put Karl Rove or Tom Delay in jail or that the House Republicans will draw up impeachment papers if enough of this Administration's high crimes and misdemeanors are exposed. It's tragic to hear the suffering masses offered hope for change based on the 2006 elections or this or that Democratic candidate for president in 2008. The mass media and electoral machinery is now fully under the control of those in power. Elections that matter are a quaint feature of America’s past. As long as George Bush remains a useful idiot of the ruling clique his approval rating could drop to zero and he will sleep in the White House. At the same time Bush is expendable in the blink of an eye if a scapegoat is required. He will be replaced by another slicker actor, a man better able to read the script and parrot the talking points. The men in charge of this country will only release their grip on us when their hearts are stopped or they are confined to prisons by a powerful armed force capable of overcoming their hired killers.
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Posted by: mors on Sep 21, 2005 10:39 PM
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (read: persons) are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator (nothing about a Christian creator) with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men (read: persons), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends (life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness), it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government.
Then, the Constitution was written to control the liberty of the people by rule of law (read: force).
If you truly consider yourself American, if you truly value yourself as a patriot and believe in the founding principles of your country, then rebel with the only tool at your disposal and the only tool that matters in this dispicable disgrace of a country: let's remember the Boston Tea Party. Wonderful tale. If Americans could get organized enough and fearless enough to refuse to pay taxes, that would be the single, most powerful weapon against this government. Then, the only tax base it would have would be those select few, the have-mores, who receive the BIG tax breaks. Think of it as ironic justice.
It's all very 'progressive' to sit around on the Internet and belly-ache and preach and rage against the latest outrage. It's all very 'progressive' to demonstrate against this or that injustice. Who's listening? When you empty their pockets, they'll listen for good or ill, whichever way the wind blows...
Revolution or absolute tyranny is in the wind.
Lie free or die.
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Posted by: ssantee on Sep 25, 2005 10:38 PM
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Thanks!!! You whiney idiots, we do not live in a commune. Sometimes bad thiings happen. All of the COMPASSION in the world will not stop them. But no, we can't just help out, we have to claim that the President was the only one able to help, the only one with any responsiblilty. You people make me sick. New Orleans had a SUPERDOME! Do you think that George Bush was there, whispering in ears and pulling strings, to make those morons use THEIR money to build a SUPERDOME instead of fixing THEIR levee problems??
This is ridiculous aleady. The government is already too large and costly. The more you people cry for socialist policies, the larger it gets. And more the empirical, by the way. Oh yes, it's easy and convenient to forget but there were Democrats behind the Iraq war too.
So congratulations. Now we are talking about giving the US military tangible authority inside of the country. One step closer to being ruled by that evil military-industrial complex that you are all so sure is in power today.
Look, we are not a group(I hear you people complain about special interests, it makes me laugh). The U.S, is not comprised of Blacks, Whites, The Poor, and The Rich. Each of us is an individual. The federal government is there to protect our rights as individuals, not to; raise our kids, give us homes, sell us insurance, plan our diet, cultivate our compassion, read us bed-time stories, etc,etc.
If this sounds like your ideal government, move to N. Korea!
So, please, please, figure out what you are complaining about, take a position for government action, then read the constitution and find out why the government should not be involved!
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Posted by: sovinformburo on Sep 21, 2005 1:49 AM
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Not quite. I would say Katrina may be the catalyst to enable the opposition to MOBILISE and OVERTHROW the present administration and the various attendent carpetbaggers riding on the coattails.
We do not need POLITICAL DEBATE with these ill-intentioned people. They need to be LIQUIDATED and DESTROYED as a political party and political class.
We will only be safe when the Republican party is destroyed to the point it becomes irrelevant as it was between 1932-1952.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 21, 2005 2:29 AM
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But Nader could not have been more wrong with his bone-headed comment about the Dems being no different from the R'Pukes. With all of its deficiencies, America would have been infinitely better off with Gore in 2000, even with Kerry in 2004. The Republican Party is like a lethal case of AIDS when compared to the burning blisters of its political counterpart. Yeah, both are bad, but if I had to choose one, it would be easy.
Al Gore would NOT have invaded Iraq. He would not have ceased hunting Bin Laden nor diverted America's military away from that effort or the National Guard from defending America's cities. He would NOT have cut corporate and inheritance taxes or promoted repealing the estate tax. He would NOT have spoon-fed contracts to the corrupt Halliburton corporation nor been lax in the pursuit of the Enron criminals.
Gore would NOT have flouted the Kyoto accords. He would not have insulted America’s allies and isolated the US. He would NOT have instituted a policy of torture for the military or set up gulags in Guantanamo. He would NOT have signed the Clean Air or Clear Skies acts. NOR would he have signed the USA PATRIOT Act. He would NOT have made Ashcraft or Gonzales US Attorneys General, he would not have nominated Priscilla Owens or William Pryor for lifetime seats on the US Courts of Appeals, and you would never have heard of the name of John Bolton.
Gore's administration would not have outed Valerie Plame, which endangered the lives of other operatives and compromised their ability to collect important intelligence. NOR would Gore have fabricated intelligence. He would not have been nearly as secretive with the people and the press, NOR made the government as opaque as it is now.
Gore would NOT have politicized gay civil union or stem cell research, nor would he have intervened with Terry Schiavo's right to die. He would NOT have quietly condoned Diebold's et al. paperless black ballot boxes or Florida's and Ohio's voter intimidation and disenfranchisement shenanigans.
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1)conservative position: individuals decide their own course unfettered by taxes and government intervention... how many have been suckered by this? This sounds wonderful but what about those left behind? Herd them to another large arena and let nature take it's course? Social Darwinism, from the same people that ideologically believe that evolution is a dirty word and God had "intelligently designed" them to be in charge. I wonder if these same people know Ayn Rand was an atheist? OMG!!!
2) position two: the high-minded reverential esteem that conservatives hold constitutional originalism in, that the constitution should be interpretted as it was "originally" written, precedence should be ignored, and legislating from the bench is tantamount to treason. Yeah right, and wasn't it in the 1880s that the ultra-conservative, pro-business supreme court legislated the most widely-impacting decision: that corporations are persons with rights of due process just as humans? My impression of the founding fathers is they despised corporations (or the King's chartered companies as they were called then) as the Boston Tea Party demonstrated. I don't think we'll see that in a revised edition of Phyllis Schlafly's screed against SCOTUS activism: The Supremacists.
3) I also think there is a shifting position of the wingnuts' stance on 14th amendment protection for unborn life, privacy for the mom, and corporate persons' rights, but perhaps someone with more legal knowledge than me can respond.
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Posted by: fredo1012 on Sep 21, 2005 6:12 AM
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Why is it ok when this government commits the same and even more heinous attrocities? And why do the many good people of America put up with this Presidency?
This REALLY is no longer the America I gladly escaped to in pursuit of a free and ethically responsible society. The transition I've witnessed since 9-11 and now Katrina perturbs me deeply, and I fear the next five US Presidencies may never erase the damage done by the Bush II Presidency. That the many good people I know in America put up with such a potential threat to humanity's progress befuddles me.
Let's call a spade a spade. This is a corrupt government. It deserves impeachment, if not more.
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However, once the hurricane season subsides, the growing Abramoff scandal will ensnare so many Republican cronies in the executive and legislative branches that the public will demand better. Monday the government's top procurement officer (and Bush toady) was arrested for corruption for crying out loud. Absent the hurricanes, this would have been a major story.
With the Katrina failure as a backdrop, and what we'll probably learn from various Halliburton probes, the public will demand better. Who knows, maybe the government geek will become chic again.
On the Muse The United States of Halliburton
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Posted by: churchofone on Sep 21, 2005 7:01 AM
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Only by keeping the attention on the results of bad governance will be finally be able to shift the political debate from trying to legislate morality to the effectiveness of the current administration.
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Sep 21, 2005 8:08 AM
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The apotheosizing of "individual responsibility" is part of the ideology. Who among us are capable of providing for every eventuality entirely by and for themselves? Only the super rich! The merely well-off (who foolishly imagine themselves members of the ruling elite) will be stranded on the same rooftops as the rest of us.
Only when "we the people" assert our collective strength can we stand against the reptilian rich. These insatiable plutocrats HATE strong civil government for this reason; because it limits their individual power by providing for the COMMON good. Plutocrats have no use for anything common -- especially the common people. We are good only for fighting their wars (the offspring of the rich don't fight; self-styled "aristocrats" stopped providing cannon fodder after World War One) and for working in their factories -- where, if we demand living wages, the factories are now simply moved to countries where wage-slavery is openly supported (as opposed to covertly supported, as it is in the U.S.).
No one could be so naieve as to believe it a mere expediency that the first move GWB made toward the "re-building" of the Gulf Coast, was to suspend the federal regulation that requires re-builders to PAY THEIR WORKERS the "prevailing wage" of the region! By the way, Senator Kennedy was correct when he pointed that the prevailing wage of this region (I live in Arkansas) is only about $8 to $10 per hour, anyway. Only a glutted, arrogant plutocrat (i.e., a Bushite) could support reducing those wages to $5.15, which has for many years been the minimum wage in this, the "richest country in the world"!
As James Thurber (of all people) correctly pointed out, "Government of the rabbits by the foxes and for the foxes MUST perrish from the earth!"
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We don't need a utopian theory of a perfect world. We have a long list of grievances that are obvious. Pragmatism is called for. There's work to be done. Resolve the existing problems. The remaining ones will then be easier to see.
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Posted by: malcolmartin on Sep 21, 2005 10:30 AM
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They are drenched in profits as we are drenched in blood. Their mass murder knows no limits and recognizes no national boundaries. The people of New Orleans were as thoughtlessly slaughtered as the people of Fallujah. Not a moments vacation spoiled. In the years to come this planet will either become a vast slave labor camp or capitalism will be uprooted and destroyed.
The people of the world feel this threat to life and liberty in their bones but they are leaderless, confused and unaware that there is a way out. But a resistance can be built and our vast numerical superiority gives us a shot to win! No matter our chances, we must prepare to fight now! This resistance movement will be labeled a socialist revolution and it will frighten privileged Americans and the progressive intelligentsia. So be it because events have made it crystal clear that only the choice of slavery and death or survival and liberty remain on the table.
How to get to an effective insurgency in the United States?
First, no deluding the American people that there will be any more elections in this country or that if you beg long enough they will put Karl Rove or Tom Delay in jail or that the House Republicans will draw up impeachment papers if enough of this Administration's high crimes and misdemeanors are exposed. It's tragic to hear the suffering masses offered hope for change based on the 2006 elections or this or that Democratic candidate for president in 2008. The mass media and electoral machinery is now fully under the control of those in power. Elections that matter are a quaint feature of America’s past. As long as George Bush remains a useful idiot of the ruling clique his approval rating could drop to zero and he will sleep in the White House. At the same time Bush is expendable in the blink of an eye if a scapegoat is required. He will be replaced by another slicker actor, a man better able to read the script and parrot the talking points. The men in charge of this country will only release their grip on us when their hearts are stopped or they are confined to prisons by a powerful armed force capable of overcoming their hired killers.
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Posted by: mors on Sep 21, 2005 10:39 PM
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (read: persons) are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator (nothing about a Christian creator) with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men (read: persons), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends (life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness), it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government.
Then, the Constitution was written to control the liberty of the people by rule of law (read: force).
If you truly consider yourself American, if you truly value yourself as a patriot and believe in the founding principles of your country, then rebel with the only tool at your disposal and the only tool that matters in this dispicable disgrace of a country: let's remember the Boston Tea Party. Wonderful tale. If Americans could get organized enough and fearless enough to refuse to pay taxes, that would be the single, most powerful weapon against this government. Then, the only tax base it would have would be those select few, the have-mores, who receive the BIG tax breaks. Think of it as ironic justice.
It's all very 'progressive' to sit around on the Internet and belly-ache and preach and rage against the latest outrage. It's all very 'progressive' to demonstrate against this or that injustice. Who's listening? When you empty their pockets, they'll listen for good or ill, whichever way the wind blows...
Revolution or absolute tyranny is in the wind.
Lie free or die.
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Posted by: ssantee on Sep 25, 2005 10:38 PM
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Thanks!!! You whiney idiots, we do not live in a commune. Sometimes bad thiings happen. All of the COMPASSION in the world will not stop them. But no, we can't just help out, we have to claim that the President was the only one able to help, the only one with any responsiblilty. You people make me sick. New Orleans had a SUPERDOME! Do you think that George Bush was there, whispering in ears and pulling strings, to make those morons use THEIR money to build a SUPERDOME instead of fixing THEIR levee problems??
This is ridiculous aleady. The government is already too large and costly. The more you people cry for socialist policies, the larger it gets. And more the empirical, by the way. Oh yes, it's easy and convenient to forget but there were Democrats behind the Iraq war too.
So congratulations. Now we are talking about giving the US military tangible authority inside of the country. One step closer to being ruled by that evil military-industrial complex that you are all so sure is in power today.
Look, we are not a group(I hear you people complain about special interests, it makes me laugh). The U.S, is not comprised of Blacks, Whites, The Poor, and The Rich. Each of us is an individual. The federal government is there to protect our rights as individuals, not to; raise our kids, give us homes, sell us insurance, plan our diet, cultivate our compassion, read us bed-time stories, etc,etc.
If this sounds like your ideal government, move to N. Korea!
So, please, please, figure out what you are complaining about, take a position for government action, then read the constitution and find out why the government should not be involved!
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