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Overkill in New Orleans

By Daniela Crespo and Jeremy Scahill, AlterNet. Posted September 12, 2005.


Blackwater mercenaries are some of the most feared professional killers in the world. What are they doing prowling the streets of NOLA?
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Heavily armed paramilitary mercenaries from the Blackwater private security firm, infamous for its work in Iraq, are openly patrolling the streets of New Orleans. Some of the mercenaries say they have been "deputized" by the Louisiana governor; indeed some are wearing gold Louisiana state law enforcement badges on their chests and Blackwater photo identification cards on their arms. They say they are on contract with the Department of Homeland Security and have been given the authority to use lethal force. Several mercenaries we spoke with said they had served in Iraq on the personal security details of the former head of the U.S. occupation, L. Paul Bremer and the former U.S. ambassador to Iraq, John Negroponte.

"This is a totally new thing to have guys like us working CONUS (Continental United States)," a heavily armed Blackwater mercenary told us as we stood on Bourbon Street in the French Quarter. "We're much better equipped to deal with the situation in Iraq."

Blackwater mercenaries are some of the most feared professional killers in the world and they are accustomed to operating without worry of legal consequences. Their presence on the streets of New Orleans should be a cause for serious concern for the remaining residents of the city and raises alarming questions about why the government would allow men trained to kill with impunity in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to operate here. Some of the men now patrolling the streets of New Orleans returned from Iraq as recently as two weeks ago.

What is most disturbing is the claim of several Blackwater mercenaries we spoke with that they are here under contract from the federal government and the state of Louisiana. Blackwater is one of the leading private security firms servicing the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. It has several U.S. government contracts and has provided security for many senior U.S. diplomats, foreign dignitaries and corporations. The company rose to international prominence after four of its men were killed in Fallujah and two of their charred bodies were hung from a bridge in March 2004. Those killings sparked the massive U.S. retaliation against the civilian population of Fallujah that resulted in scores of deaths and tens of thousands of refugees.

Who Sent In the Mercs?

As the threat of forced evictions now looms in New Orleans and the city confiscates even legally registered weapons from civilians, the private mercenaries of Blackwater patrol the streets openly wielding M-16s and other assault weapons. This despite Police Commissioner Eddie Compass' claim that, "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."

Officially, Blackwater says its forces are in New Orleans to "join the Hurricane relief effort." A statement on the company's website, dated Sept. 1, advertises airlift services, security services and crowd control. The company, according to news reports, has since begun taking private contracts to guard hotels, businesses and other properties. But what has not been publicly acknowledged is the claim, made to us by two Blackwater mercenaries, that they are actually engaged in general law enforcement activities including "securing neighborhoods" and "confronting criminals."

That raises a key question: under what authority are Blackwater's men operating? A spokesperson for the Homeland Security Department, Russ Knocke, told the Washington Post he knows of no federal plans to hire Blackwater or other private security. "We believe we've got the right mix of personnel in law enforcement for the federal government to meet the demands of public safety," he said.

But in an hour-long conversation with several Blackwater mercenaries, we heard a different story. The men we spoke with said they are indeed on contract with the Department of Homeland Security and the Louisiana governor's office and that some of them are sleeping in camps organized by Homeland Security in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. They told us they not only had authority to make arrests but also to use lethal force.

Where the Real Action Is

We encountered the Blackwater forces as we walked through the streets of the largely deserted French Quarter. We were talking with two New York City police officers when an unmarked car without license plates sped up next to us and stopped. Inside were three men, dressed in khaki uniforms, flak jackets and wielding automatic weapons. "Y'all know where the Blackwater guys are?" they asked. One of the police officers responded, "There are a bunch of them around here," and pointed down the road.

"Blackwater?" we asked. "The guys who are in Iraq?"

"Yeah," said the officer. "They're all over the place."

A short while later, as we continued down Bourbon Street, we ran into the men from the car. They wore Blackwater ID badges on their arms. "When they told me New Orleans, I said, 'What country is that in?'" one of the Blackwater men said. He was wearing his company ID around his neck in a carrying case with the phrase "Operation Iraqi Freedom" printed on it. After bragging about how he drives around Iraq in a "State Department issued level 5, explosion-proof BMW," he said he was "just trying to get back to Kirkuk [in the North of Iraq] where the real action is."

Later we overheard him on his cell phone complaining that Blackwater was only paying $350 a day plus per diem. That is much less than the men make serving in more dangerous conditions in Iraq.

Two men we spoke with said they plan on returning to Iraq in October. But, as one mercenary said, they've been told they could be in New Orleans for up to six months. "This is a trend," he told us. "You're going to see a lot more guys like us in these situations."

If Blackwater's reputation and record in Iraq are any indication of the kind of services the company offers, the people of New Orleans have much to fear.

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Jeremy Scahill, a correspondent for the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!, and Daniela Crespo are in New Orleans.

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Outrageous
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Sep 12, 2005 1:41 AM   
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I always keep thinking: the government can't shock me anymore. Then some new unprecendented bizarreness comes up.

Homeland security pays mercenaries to occupy an American city. Meanwhile, they have firefighters with HazMat training handing out brochures from FEMA.

I'm having trouble not swearing and ranting here. This is not recognizable as the America I grew up in.

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Thankfully Its Your country
Posted by: Captainmagic on Sep 12, 2005 2:11 AM   
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All these glaring examples of how you do business in your country will really make it easy for the rest of the world to wipe its hands of your so called LAND OF THE FREE. ' LAND OF THE GUN" down the drain you go.

» Go Home Posted by: Diecash1
Not NeoCons but NeoNazis
Posted by: EJW on Sep 12, 2005 3:31 AM   
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My god. There is no doubt left. It's time for the people to take over as they have in eastern europe (orange/rose revolutions) - but it will probably require blood to oust these cretens. What kind of world have we left for our children.

» No! Anarchist are cancer to freedom Posted by: Turdworldcountry
Dubya's Very Own SS
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 12, 2005 3:31 AM   
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For years now, the one thing I've worried about more than anything with regard to this administration (and let's face it, folks, there really is a whole awful lot to worry about) was the possibility of George W. Bush unleashing his own version of an all American SS on the land of the free. Could this be the the beginning of our own brand of "made in America" totalitarianism? Could a Gestapo (all American, mind you) be next? During the administration of Ronald Reagan, dumb as he was, this kind of talk would have been considered crazy - but think about it, it's not that crazy anymore. As a matter of fact, it is definately within the realm of possibility as far as Bush and the hideous jackasses that make up his administration are concerned. I need an asprin.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Lee in Maine
Posted by: Lee in Maine on Sep 12, 2005 3:36 AM   
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Bush appears to have morphed into Saddam Hussein. How can we support using hired killers - anywhere? Have we no conscience? Is it all about money and power?

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Shouldn't Be A Surprise
Posted by: lady4truth on Sep 12, 2005 4:01 AM   
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Unfortunately this should not be a surprise to anyone who has known and seen the Bush dynasty for what they are. I keep thinking I cannot be more scared for the USA future, but then I keep hearing and seeing things such as this. Dubya's SS is a very apt description of these "forces." One can only hope that mainstream media will begin focusing on some of this information.

Toilet Boy, where are you?
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 12, 2005 4:01 AM   
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Tom Degan has relayed as usual what many of us feel.

But I need one of our resident whipping boyz to explain just what the fuck is going on here?

Toilet boy, tell us in your succinct neocon way just how much fucking money it takes to make sure that blackhawk will continue protecting us and not move on to say the KKK for a few dollars more?

The idea of mercs is nothing new, but in an american city is truly fucking chilling.

Just who the fuck polices blackhawk? haliburton? Who polices haliburton? Trillions of dollars? The chain of command is fucking us.

If we continue to believe that the demolition of big government is anything but a plan to move it into the hands of private concerns, who are we going to hire to protect us and how the fuck much is it going to cost.

I have about ten bucks, how about the rest of you?

And where do I register to vote for the delegates of Blackhawk?

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» RE: Price concerns? You liar. Posted by: nitsua1023
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Richard
Posted by: z on Sep 12, 2005 4:16 AM   
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More evidence of Corporate America as the true rulers of the kingdom.....

Eternal vigilance
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 12, 2005 5:09 AM   
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"Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom". Good advice. But more is needed. All the vigilance in the world without action is useless. We cannot just stand by and watch the corporations run the country. The first step is to stop them from electing our officials without casting one vote. The corporatizing of America will continue until we, the people, stop it. The essential first step to save our way of life is to have campaigns financed solely by the taxpayers.
Please visit:
http://www.lincolninitiative.org
Ideas and opinions solicited.

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American Horror Show!
Posted by: Ivor on Sep 12, 2005 5:25 AM   
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I know that a lot of good Americans are trying to head the ruthless reptiles off at the pass. I sure hope they succeed. The latest spine chilling blockbuster produced by the Pentagon is soon to be shown around the world.

Premptive nuclear strikes on any one who the Prozac Brigade consider to be a threat. No evidence required. New Orleans is just a curtain raiser to martial law. I hear that Walmart is doing a nice line in cheap Chinese made shrouds. They should sell well because it looks like the whole world may soon have to reap the whirlwind.

» RE: American Horror Show! Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
Asleep at the wheel
Posted by: Erin on Sep 12, 2005 5:42 AM   
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Well, America, what did you expect when you voted this guy into power? TWICE!!! If we don't act quickly and get this guy impeached, and if we don't stop putting people of this kind in office we will deserve the consequences. It is outrageous that under our new Homeland Security banner that Blackwater mercenaries and their ilk are running around our streets. This is only the beginning of our problems. Remember, these guys answer to no one and can do whatever they like without consequenses.

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You become what you fear most...
Posted by: JustAMom on Sep 12, 2005 5:43 AM   
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And now, we are turning ourselves into our own enemies. We not only send these operatives against our enemies, but we are now using them on our own people.

I understand that we are fighting against terrorism, but nothing is stopping us from becoming terrorists. There need to be better ways to solve problems than fighting fire with fire.

Please consider the consequences of our actions. Please stop hurting ourselves and others. Wage Peace.

Blackhawk killers...
Posted by: xenacat on Sep 12, 2005 5:44 AM   
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The use of hired killers to roam NO and kill at will is nothing short of Nazism. Bush and his family have brought this to us and a large segment of the U.S population either bought into the hate or willfully buried their heads someplace dark, smelly and unpleasant. Shame on them. It is interesting to me that usual crew of rabid Bush defenders that usually disrupts this site hasn't posted anything yet. Could it be that they can't even come up with a defense for this one? No, this isn't the good ol' US of A anymore. Hell, it isn't even the Texas of my Daddy's youth, either. It is a totalitarian state wrapped in red, white and blue hyprocracy.

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Uhh, blackwater killers....not blackhawk
Posted by: xenacat on Sep 12, 2005 5:47 AM   
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sorry about that - I was thinking chicken hawks, war hawks, black hearted... the company name is Blackwater - appropriate in a sick way.

When will it end??!!
Posted by: erinroses on Sep 12, 2005 5:48 AM   
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This government's callous disrespect for the American people never ceases to amaze me. I don't think people know about this as I haven't heard this covered in the mainstream media. I for one am forwarding this information to as many people as possible. I think I will also contact Moveon.org as this links to their present petition.

» RE: When will it end??!! Posted by: Roverton
no surprises anymore
Posted by: kablooie on Sep 12, 2005 6:38 AM   
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Mercenaries on the streets. While FEMA sends huge convoys of semi-tractor trailer trucks loaded with ice, water, and supplies in circles for a week. The drivers were interviewed here in Memphis after being directed all over the southeast by FEMA, just going in circles without delivering their goods, getting more frustrated by the day.

Also, Arkansas National Guard members who were finally activated a week after the storm sat around playing cards for two days and then were sent back home. Is this a pattern?

Amazing
Posted by: hill on Sep 12, 2005 6:44 AM   
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You complain when people are dying and shooting other people in the streets and when the government does respond, you complain about a temporary beef up in security. It seems to me that JS is just looking for something to complain about so that he can write an article. Mr. JS why don't you try writing about all the good things the hard working men and women are doing in New Orleans. Maybe, for once you should try looking at the big picture.

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Another interesting New Orleans item.
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 12, 2005 6:48 AM   
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Another item of note to some is the fact that the USGS maintains a magnetic observatory in NOLA.

On the surface it seems inconsequential, but when you consider that the US military utilizes readings from magnetometers to synchronize gyroscopes to the earths magnetic fields for weapons to be guided to strategic places, it requires scrutiny.

Was it damaged, and does it matter to the security of our country? Is Blackwater guarding that?

» Deep Posted by: Olympiada
War on terror is a war on us
Posted by: wbblack on Sep 12, 2005 6:52 AM   
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It’s beginning to get more and more clear what the real purpose of Homeland Security, The Patriot Act, and the war on terror are: to oppress and repress the residents of the U.S. Those of us who have been hyping this idea since September11, 2001 may not seem so off the wall anymore. These Blackwater guys are clearly storm troopers and I’d lay odds that those four guys who got roasted in Fallujah were some kind of hit squad. That’s why they were treated so brutally. We need to make some big changes and the Democratic Party is not the answer.

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...and this is not all!
Posted by: Riverside on Sep 12, 2005 7:11 AM   
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In addition to the President's very own Special Security (SS) force, the Washington Post yesterday announced that the Department of Defense has completed a draft policy to be approved by Rumsfeld that authorizes pre-emptive nuclear attacks. Here is the excerpt from the lead paragraph:

"The Pentagon has drafted a revised doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons that envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to use them to preempt an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction. The draft also includes the option of using nuclear arms to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons." - Source: The Washington Post 9/11/05

Imagine Iraq today, if this option had been authorized based upon the faked WMD intelligence the White House used to declare war on Iraq. Talk about civilian casualties. Course they can now try it out on Iran if it persists in developing nuclear weapons. Shoot if we can't force the Middle East to become overnight democracies then we will just have to crisp them up a bit. Yekkkkkkkk.

This is a Christian President, right?

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FACTS
Posted by: hill on Sep 12, 2005 7:52 AM   
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Things are not always as they appear and unless you are actually involved you do not always know the real story. Too many people jump to conclusionis or try to paint something as being a certain way to get attention. This doesn't mean you shouldn't question things particularly when the govt. is involved, but that you should find out the whole picture. Too many people on both sides twist numbers and facts to suit their own agenda. Katrina is an excellent example of this.

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End the NOLA blockade!
Posted by: ScottP on Sep 12, 2005 8:35 AM   
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If the national guard opened their minds for a few moments and thought about the impact of their blockade on the city and nation, perhaps they'd drop their guns and let the refugees and their friends and relatives return to their city (at least the parts not underwater, which is most of it). Instead they continue the blockade, so that mercenaries can execute the takeover and razing of all the "condemned" properties, which will be anything the carpetbaggers see and like. Into the rubble will be bulldozed grandma's silverware, baby photos, clothes, and everything ever owned by many. No court will stop the stealing of the properties for a nickle on the dollar. The owners and renters will not even get a chance to salvage their memories. The whole "reconstruction" job will be done by corporate construction companies that make political contributions, the community will remain locked out.

So now we've lost our right to travel to our home and the right to the property in our home. Land of the free? Write your congressperson today and demand that the blockade be lifted so the community can begin to heal!

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Blackwater Contras
Posted by: lamar on Sep 12, 2005 8:59 AM   
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George W. Bush let the situation get so far out of control that he was forced to bring in the Contras, er, Blackwater fellas, to clean up the mess. In fairness to the president, we did know he was an idiot before we elected him.....

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Cyclone
Posted by: hill on Sep 12, 2005 9:50 AM   
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So true Johnny, I am often mystified that the only reaction you seem to get is littered with name calling and unsubstantiated rumors, articles etc, rather than a discussion of the facts.

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They are prowling the streets of NO to finish the job FEMA started!
Posted by: Pepper on Sep 12, 2005 9:59 AM   
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Killing as many of the people as they can to cut down on other budgetary services that are interfering with the military budget. That is why they are there.

I think its time for the shoe to be on the other foot, don't you?

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overkill
Posted by: hill on Sep 12, 2005 10:04 AM   
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The person in the article was stating it was overkill to have such highly trained individuals, not that it was overkill to have private security guards. The person in the article was stating they could have hired more typical security guards. However, given that some of the shots being fired were from semi automatic weapons etc, I don't think a security guard with 3 months training and a revolver would be a good solution to protect private property.

They were hired by private business and property owners to protect their property. No different than the security guard at a mall.

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What goes around, comes around.
Posted by: Artkansas on Sep 12, 2005 10:14 AM   
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The chicken hawks have come home to roost. The circle is not round. We tried to warn people. They bought the lies anyway.

» I agree the voters were framed Posted by: Olympiada
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rinthy
Posted by: rinthy on Sep 12, 2005 11:30 AM   
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I am one pissed off American!
Would someone explain to me who is paying these clowns $300.00 and change PER DIEM while Bush recently relieved companies of the burden of union wages to union workers for clean up and reconstruction? In the name of 'saving taxpayer's money'?
For that matter, why are workers being shipped in from other states, while New Orleans workers languish in shelters. Certainly, there will be those who can't work for any number of legitimate reasons, but there must be hundreds who would welcome a job and an income, and a chance to help put their city back on it's feet.
The red Cross is conducting training sessions in San Francisco and other cities in the skills to help with the crises. Were the southern homeless even offered the option?
There are more questions. Doubtless others have asked and answered them. And doubtless, I am not the only pissed off American you'll meet today.
Rinthy

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Be afraid
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Sep 12, 2005 11:33 AM   
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New Orleans is teeming with all kinds of law enforcement-and now we have these "security" forces masquerading as cops.
The Blackwater thugs who roam the flooded city are just looking for a reason to blow away anyone they suspect as a "criminal." What is their purpose? Are they the ones who are going to do the dirty work? To drag the remaining residents out of their homes?
If these guys want "action", why won' they go to Sierra Leone or some other hell on earth, where the killing is a daily sport.
New Orleans is an occupied city bristling with police activity in our police state of a nation.
Be afraid, folks. They may come to your city sooner than you think.

Roberts just resigned
Posted by: cyclone on Sep 12, 2005 12:02 PM   
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Michael Roberts just resigned his FEMA post. Now, how do we get Booshco to resign?

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Sorry, Michael Brown
Posted by: cyclone on Sep 12, 2005 12:04 PM   
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The excitement is overwhelming, I said Roberts above. Big whooo. Again, how do we get Boosh to not get away with cleaning up the mess by dumping Brown and hold HIM accountable?

Last time I looked, Americans still had a right to private property.
Posted by: Gun Bunny on Sep 12, 2005 1:22 PM   
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Black water is simply doing what is needed to preserve the peace with superior firepower, and that's one hell of a deterrent to looting and pillaging by drug addicts and assorted felons.

I'm kind of sorry that I haven't heard reports of widespread killings of looters by anyone, be they police or private security contractors. That leads me to think that the process is working, and Blackwater is doing what it's being paid to do.

Gun Bunny

Quote of the Day
Posted by: demidesigrrl on Sep 12, 2005 1:31 PM   
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A comment from Canada...

"Years of “downsizing” of democratic governance in the US — both ideological and fiscal — means that for millions of Americans the only public service they can truly count on is to be shot dead by the National Guard."

Add Blackwater to that as a privatized service. Yeesh. Disgusting.

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Power outages in LA
Posted by: philame on Sep 12, 2005 2:04 PM   
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Maybe I am feeling all apocalyptic after Katrina, but now there are power outages in LA. Will other countries even take us seriously anymore? Our system of governance is obviously broken. The budget cutting and spend, spend, spending and rampant consuming obviously isn't working.

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Under what authority?
Posted by: jfdunphy on Sep 12, 2005 3:13 PM   
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That is a very good question. In planning for disaster response under FEMA's normal process, one key step is for the emergency manager to have a book with all the "authorities" (laws and regulations) that they are supposed to operate under. That covers Federal, state and local. The object is to do everything legally, and within the bounds of the authority granted. It is also used to find potential conflicts in the laws and regulations, and point them out so that legislators can de-conflict them.
Here, apparantly, the governor of the state hired a third-party contractor, who is also a federal government contractor.
It is an interesting question as to how many such contractors can be hired, before it begins to "degrade" the federal effort in Iraq.
At both levels, contractors are supposed to be Equal Opportunity Employers, and conform to federal and state laws. In a gung-ho business like mercenaries, it is not probable that their employers are in strict conformance with those laws and regulations. Another question raised is whether some of the money from the contractors gets funneled into political campaigns somehow.
Another can of worms has surfaced.

It's not called looting. Moron.
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 12, 2005 3:37 PM   
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If you wouldn't loot in that situation, you are an idiot. Your family is starving, no water, no food, no help coming. You walk past a Walgreens, which has been flooded with a foot of water. That Wallgreens is FILLED with food. They can't legally sell that food once the store floods, so what would you do? Just decide to starve? Let your family starve? Install a mercinary to protect all those precious snickers bars, t-shirts, soap? I know Johnny boy would stick a gun in somebody's face before letting them take food to their kids.
"Hey that bottle of water belongs to Sam Walton! Stop or I will kill you!"
They are sending mercinaries to protect the trash from the starving.

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PROTECT THE TRASH FROM THE STARVING!
Posted by: nitsua1023 on Sep 12, 2005 3:49 PM   
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Someone has to keep all those hungry people away from the food.

Bubbas with AK's are protecting TRASH.

From what threat? The hungry?

There is no excuse. Just shame, pity, regret, loss of American esteem.

Skeptics need names.....
Posted by: visualdata on Sep 12, 2005 5:07 PM   
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Why weren't any names given regarding this story. Skeptics need some names to verify or they dismiss this as just so much BS. I support your right to tell this story regading New Orleans and I believe it is true. But in order to convince skeptics regarding this story there needs to be more info given.

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Johnny Boy, tell us about your bad self.
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 12, 2005 6:01 PM   
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Terlet boy (see, I told you).

I have made great friends in the past after a good brawl and drinking beers with them, so I'm offering up a beer.

I want to know what makes you tick and whether you have well formed opinions or some that are actually regurgitations. It is necesarry for me to understand whether you are a nut or I am a nut or both. I happen to believe many of us are slightly unhinged by the thought of Blackwater carrying guns around a flooded city.

It could be memories of Kent state for some, or the LA riots, Stonewall, even a Rosa Parks.

Where does your heart and head really sit in this thing. You started out slinging pretty hard, but seem to be considering what is being discussed here. Is that the case?

I know after I read some posts by BadLawDog that there was a part of me that wanted to load up my pistol and circle my wagons. My "forced sterilization" was that I never wanted children twenty years ago, so I just didn't make any. I read Ely Whitney, and Olypiada, oldwoman, Tom Degan, Bogey11, countless others, and you.

Your rant was quite opposite my own. Mine is one of desperation, fear, loss, and many things I cannot even post here.

If you wish, tell, please. and I'll call you toilet boy some more, cause it makes me smile as much as kablooie. I argued with a guy just like you, twenty years ago, because I thought Reagonomics was the stupidest idea I ever heard, still do and he is still a friend.

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I never thought I'd say this
Posted by: spyderbaby on Sep 12, 2005 6:39 PM   
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This makes me change my mind about gun control. I was for it, but reading this about the citizens of NO having to turn in registered guns -- yet these Blackhawk thugs have guns -- has made me reconsider. What's that saying the NRA types like: "outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns"? Well, now these government-sanctioned outlaws are the only people in NO with guns!

Diggin Johnny Boy...
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 12, 2005 6:48 PM   
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Toilet boy, another one on me.

I met a lady named Maureen Orth about six to eight months ago out in Californy. She is the wife of a guy named Tim Russert, and in time or you may already know, she does articles for Vanity Fair and he is Tim Russert. I listened to her talk about Bill Clinton and how the man knew every one in the room and could make them feel like the center of attention. That is personality and charisma. He is the guy that singled handedly killed the Democratic party in my mind. All he did was refused to admit to a lie and ask for the forgiveness of the American public. Love him or hate him, he did some great things. As did Reagan, just by appearing to be a strong leader when this country needed it. Jimmy Carter, arguably a very smart man, and damn good as an elder statesman. Bush I, - a guy that may never know how much a loaf of bread costs, but a CIA director with inside knowledge of the world. Ford, and all he did for Nixon, in allowing us to drop that shit and move on. Nixon – there is a period of time you must look at, you must look at the foot soldiers of that administration and look where they are today to realize that it took years, money and persistence to bring us to this point.

I think there is an agenda that we, as common folk will never be privy to. It involves careful planning over the last perhaps 75 years. I believe that this administration is a product of that agenda. I believe that Karl Rove is perhaps the smartest man in DC right now and one of the most cutthroat ever to work there. Karl has people to study everything we think, and do. He knows with laser-like precision what it takes to win.

But he is missing, in my mind, one key understanding, arrogant in nature, that assumes we are mostly pickles. It assumes that one party held tightly together with threats or by whatever means can adequately run a country of 300 million people.

I believe in a closer balance. I need pragmatic democrats, idealist republicans, and anyone else that represents a larger voice to be able to foster harmony.

Harmony is disrupted when a private security force shows up without much warning in our midst. It may be a knee jerk but it is warranted. If no one gets hurt, fine, but we had damn sure better be paying attention. Dig Johnny, let me know what you turn up.

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Lord have mercy
Posted by: Olympiada on Sep 12, 2005 8:17 PM   
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I am back to my end times thinking now.
God help.
What is this?
What is going?
Can someone please explain?
Never mind.
It is evil. Lord have mercy there is so much evil in the world today. Has it always been this bad? For a long time.
Is this the reign of the Anti-Christ? Has it always been?
Who is the prince of this world?
Now we are getting somewhere.

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Death Squads
Posted by: Ashington on Sep 12, 2005 9:06 PM   
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to qoute a very shrewd political speaker "The reason why we dont have death squads like in haiti and south america, is because the corporations think we dont need them."

it made too much damn sense to me. 350 dollars a day to pay for mercs while our soldiers are probably going to be dicked with forced renewals of tours? i wonder where that pay is coming from? makes me want to stop working, and starve in the street if it means not having to fund mercs. Or, is this perhaps coming from our Charitable donations?

or the debit cards they ceased handing out? blackwater...blackshirts.

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The Era of Big Government or the era of Big Bussiness
Posted by: franco on Sep 12, 2005 9:32 PM   
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The people in this administration may be quite incompetent but I think they are competent mercenaries of the big bussiness'.

When Pres. Clinton said the era of big government is over, he might have been thinking of a more efficient government still keeping the big scary bussiness' under control...

What one can see since the neo-cons have taken over, is a steady proccess in dismantling US government power in management, finance and military.

Outsourcing management and control is the basic tenet of the neo-republican party. Because Big bussiness does tolerate standards and people-government interferences..

This administration represents big bussiness that its growth has nothing to do with well being of the average americans. They will prosper with cheap labor, low quality of life, no freedom and no accountability.

Facism
Posted by: mf-roe on Sep 12, 2005 10:06 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism

Benito Mussolini was very clear in his vision of what was needed, a totalitarian government wedded to a a political system in which legislative power is given to corporations that represent economic, industrial and professional groups.

In other words, a dictatorship of the Rich. The puppet in front doesn't matter. When Bush leaves there will be another empty suit to take his place. It will without doubt be another decoy serving to distract attention from the real action, the transference of wealth and power to the new rulers.

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The US President has always been a muppet
Posted by: Smiggsy on Sep 12, 2005 11:05 PM   
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GW Bush is clearly just a front for the problems in the USA. He can't help it if he is stupid, simple & a recovering drug addict. I don't think even he is aware of whats going on around him & ever has been. No wonder those around him appear like manipulative tyrrants, they've had the hand up his ass since has texas beginnings.

He can't help being what he is. Monkey see monkey do. How can bush be the primary problem?. He's purely a muppet like Kermit & the cookie monster. The spin has been turning on the people of the USA since long long ago. Americans are too placated & too brainwashed. The system have been in palce since the 1970's. Its really is some more powerful sinsiter force thats been acting on a plan for well over 40 years. Luckily history shows empires (good or bad) don't last.

You all know bush is merely a distraction for what is really going on in behind the closed doors of power in the USA. Calls to impeach Bush will just draw the attention away from the real focus of modern american problems - a failure of general government and the consequential abuse of power. Look at the farce reaulting from the last attempt to impeach a US president. What is wrong with the US is the fooling & dumbing of the citizenery.

Clearly a country which today globally spawns crap stuff like American Idol tv, fast- food franchises & an over-the-top obsession with the cult of celebrity has greater problems to deal with than being discourgaed by & blaming poor leadership.

Taking a chip of the top of the pyramid will do nothing to it. And it will stand for 1000 years. Eroding it from its very foundations from the bottom will topple it
to the ground. Only then can plans be drawn up for an improved or new vision of america.

American education...
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 13, 2005 5:29 AM   
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When you drop off your children for twelve years with total strangers and ignore the importance of phonics in learning to read, you get a populace that should be capable of two things; not thinking for themselves and being able to push the buttons down at the rubber dogshit factory.

You have to go back at least 150 years to understand why you do something so fucking crazy on a second glance.

My wife teaches remedial English and humanities to incoming freshman at a business school here in Florida. This year she is faced with full classrooms of students from many areas of Florida, mixed with the trickle of international students still showing up there. She is reduced to rants every night because of the domestic student’s inability to read and an inability or complete lack of critical thinking skills. The international students are clearly much, much better at our language than we are. Why?

John Taylor Gatto has written a book about this called “The Underground History of American Education” I urge anyone to read it if you wish to understand how we have become such idiots in the eyes of the rest of the planet, and more precisely, the mindset from which it came. It dropped a bomb into my brain about the why-to-for on what I have always seen as my own failure in education.

Read it and judge for yourself what has been created and why. Then understand the fear of some that are training the rubber dogshit molding machine operators how to operate them with pictures instead of words because they can’t read.

If we want better leaders as a whole, we must build better minds. There are those that think the masses can not think for themselves, in one respect they are correct. I think those guys are running my country right now. Guns and Daisies will not bring us any closer to what we need to survive as a nation. We need reading skills, badly.

I have a friend that is a doctor. He brags about how he got through school without reading much at all. He hates reading because he can’t very well. He also is a Republican in mind and spirit that has no intention of ever paying back his student loans. He cannot defend his views at all but does so anyway with vitriol, anger; it is all he has. Sound familiar?

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Goodbye
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 13, 2005 8:21 AM   
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I have to go now.

I am heading to New Orleans to give away what tools I no longer need; It is all I have to offer those that I have never given to before, so I hope it helps.

Toilet Boy - I hope you discover critical thinking skills, I think your heart is in the right place but your mind is in neutral. Pick this all apart for your well being, it is important.

Olypiada - Continue to read everything you can. Knowledge is one thing no one can take from you. It will fuel your engines and stir your passions and make you a tiger to be reckoned with.

Captain Marvel - If you are still out there, save us all.

Bogey11 - Scream from the rooftops, rant, write, and roll.

Ely Whitney - invent us another cotton gin and make sure we know how to use it.

BadLawDog - Be careful with that forced sterialization thing, we may need some smart kids with wit to protect ourselves.

Sojourner - Continue the side trip into this world of craziness and help people understand it.

Colin, across the pond - Don't take your eyes off of our country for a single moment.

And many others I have read here, take this dialogue to the street, don't let anyone bury their head any longer. Make sure that everyone knows what is at stake and hammer it home.

It has been a great experience to stop here for a while, and I hope for all of us that something good will spring from it. I am inclined to think so, just because of what I have seen in the public forum over the last fifteen years. I am encouraged, because we are beginning to scream together even if does not now appear so.

I have to go, I have work to do. Good luck to us all.

X

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I work for blackwater
Posted by: bw1* on Sep 14, 2005 6:55 AM   
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ere go my poor little fingers again. I think I explained that some guys are current law enforcement officers in some capacity and may be displaying their badges for identification puposes.. I don't think anyone has been deputized, but it wouldn't be a crazy idea considering the circumstances. However I did ask about it unofficially and I was told that no one had been deputized. We may have some contracts protecting some federal agencies or organizations. Again it would be no surprise. The whole insistence on authority to shoot to kill is ridiculous. You people need to research use of force law a little bit. We can only use the same amount of force that is legally permissible for a citizen or security guard. We have the use of force information in our possession and have been briefed on it. Deadly force can not be used simply to defend property. If someone was deputized they would still fall under these rules but would be allowed to use force to make misd. arrests and under specific circumstances (ten. v. garner) would be allowed to use deadly force to prevent escape of violent felons. Why can't we get this crazy idea out of our heads. Are we authorized to use deadly force against a deadly force attack on us? Hell yes, but so is everyone else. I think there is some miscommunication going on on both sides of the story. Some BW guys may not have explained the situation in the proper terms, and some people in the media may be twisting words to better fit their agendas.
I am in contact with the guys downtown and we had a good laugh at all of the allegations we have heard. I had a team on speaker phone and we all laughed together for about 20 minutes. All of us have military and/or police background and we are trying to do the right thing. The last thing any of us would do would be to confiscate weapons from joe public.
what is up with the mercenary cliche? I am a us citizen operating on us soil. Is a guard at the bank or grocery store a mercenary. We serve us interests at home or abroad.
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Thinking on I-75
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Sep 14, 2005 8:06 PM   
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I've had a million thoughts today, and one that occurred to me regarding the way the dialogue is playing out has to do with the media. My mother was a journalist for a while so I have been exposed to a world of that shit in my miserable life.

There is the big media money machine(s). There is the editorial board. Then there is the reporter. The Machine doesn’t want to piss off the one it has cocktails with; not a lot of reporters in that group. There’s the editorial board; the buffer between the money and collection of friends of the machine, the network, and the reporter, the guy tasked with writing out the facts. Traditionally, the editorial board had to base decisions on what was best for the machine, and the ideals and realities of the reporter. The editorial board had one important mechanism that influenced the direction up and down in the entire picture. It placed it’s hand on the pulse of the populace in many ways, but the most important is what it receives in the letters to the editor. Very fucking important in deciding what to run and when, or killing a story altogether. When the letters dry up, that decision process is operating in a vacuum; it must go with what is there. Think about how the media has become so rudderless with the advent of the technology that removed the typewriter and the hand written letter from the process in terms of time. Look at how we have communicated since the internet has become mainstream. Think about that vacuum, and how the blog is becoming the voice once directed at the editor. Think about an editor that didn’t know where the voice went.

So while everyone says “write your congressman” we fucked up, we missed; we could have been doing it the same old way, but we didn’t. In any relationship, communication is key. Without it, we create a vacuum, filled with miss-information, conjecture, rumors, or outright lies.

It is a paradox to me that a vacuum can exist with so much inside of it. Yet it is there, as is apparent in the examination of the last ten years of American history. About the same time frame as this crazy thing called the internet.

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I LONG FOR THE GOOD OL' DAYS WHEN IGNORANCE WASN'T TREATED LIKE A LEGITIMATE POLITICAL POSITION
Posted by: JohnW on Sep 16, 2005 1:24 PM   
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... Nowadays, conservative radio polemicists convulsed with hatred, writhing with rage, whip-up the uninformed, inciting them to extremism and intolerance, attitudes which are antithetical to the spirit in which this country was founded. Individuals claiming to be “pro-Life” barely hide their willingness to squeeze the life out of those who would dare to disagree with them. What does this lead to – public policy driven by hysteria and superstition, members of congress threatening judges and home grown terrorists blowing up people (I wonder what conservative radio hosts Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph liked to listen to.). These conservative mouths tell those who are frustrated and disappointed with their lives that the source of all their woes is Big Government. Conservatives like to preach about he evils of Big Government, but they are very comfortable using government power to go after their political enemies (Tom Delay used Dept of Homeland Security to hunt down Texas Democrats). Republicans show a frightening facility for the techniques of totalitarianism.

The NeoCons preach morality but practice politics of personal destruction, viciously attacking and libeling anyone who disagrees with them rather than addressing their policy positions. First, an outrageous accusation about a political opponent, attributed to an “anonymous source”, appears on a conservative web-site, then Neo-con talk show ‘mouths’ or propaganda sheet ( The Washington Times, Neo-Conning the Media ) “columnists” pick up the fraudulent charge and toss it around producing a heated stream of meaningless chatter. They are hoping that all the talk about the shadow charges will educe an actual material wrong-doing (if only in the minds of the gullible). The libel is later revealed to have no basis in fact, and all the participants in the mini-hysteria scurry for the nearest crack in the floor-boards. No one ever retracts anything said or admits to their contribution to the misinformation. The mainstream media who often repeat the outlandish rumors also don’t bother to clarify or admit that they were party to a hoax. And an enduring lie takes on a life of its own. ..to be continued.

I LONG FOR THE GOOD OL' DAYS - continued
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The members of the rabid right have become consummate practitioners of the Big Lie. They make up a factoid and keep repeating it till people begin to think there must be something to it. Their effectiveness at spreading disinformation and the maligning of opponents would thrill Joseph Goebbels. Frequently, these surreal charges against a perceived enemy are so twisted you have to wonder about the tortured creatures that can conjure such disturbed fantasies (Ann Coulter and Lucianne Goldberg are cases in point. I won’t even repeat some of the obscenities they have given birth to). These individuals are not journalists they are pornographers. They got their training, as it were, as political hacks or writing for wealthy conservative supported magazines and newspapers (they don’t survive on paid circulation or advertising but are kept in business by wealthy ultra-conservatives who lose millions of dollars each year keeping these propaganda sheets in circulation). The over-all purpose of the Big Lie is to confuse and thus to sabotage the informed public debate of issues.

Conservative anti-think tanks (e.g. Heritage Foundation, among others ) funded by billionaires (e.g. Richard Mellon Scaiffe , and others) and corporations (ExxonMobil) were created to ape real think tanks and turn out phony studies, propaganda dressed up to look like actual legitimate examinations of an issue, spreading disinformation, unsupported conclusions and retreaded urban legends (Banana Republicans, Republican Noise Machine, Republican Noise Machine). These ‘studies’ only reach print because they propound the beliefs of their funders. The predations of these Conservative anti-think tanks upon an informed public debate of issues have spread confusion, created controversy where there was none and helped to stop real progress from being made.

THE GOOD OL' DAYS continued (2)
Posted by: JohnW on Sep 16, 2005 1:33 PM   
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. These anti-think tanks are funded by the same people who buy the Government through their front men – the lobbyists. There are now 35,000 lobbyists in Washington, not counting the Republicans. The number of lobbyists has DOUBLED since the Republicans took the White House in 2000. The corporations hear the Republican prayer: “Show me the money!” and respond generously. But they know it’s money well spent.

The Neo-Cons have intimidated the main-line media (especially television network news) from covering events as they should (The Brooks Brothers Riot of 2000 Election, Bush's Conspiracy to Riot) or from exposing the obvious distortions of fact, fallacies and twisted logic endemic to their arguments. For example, the recent tax cuts were justified with very optimistic estimates for growth of the economy (leading to increased tax revenues) but the prediction of the imminent demise of the Social Security system is based on a very different, much less optimistic estimate of economic growth – this was never pointed out by anyone in the main line news media (except for Paul Krugman in the New York Times).

It is in radio that the Neocons have been most successful at restricting the free discussion of ideas and issues. Rush Limbaugh and his evil clones were set loose by the killing of the Fairness Doctrine by Reagan FCC Chairman Mark Fowler in 1987. Congress restored the fairness doctrine by a wide bi-partisan majority but the legislation was vetoed by President Reagan. This action and media consolidation shepherded by Republican administrations opened the doors for the riot of one sided conservative talk show radio. Rush Limbaugh and some of his imitators have been quite successful, getting strong ratings, but talk shows with liberal leaning commentators have also garnered good ratings but were cancelled (Charles Grodin had the highest ratings in CNBC history but was moved from a prime-time slot to 11:00 PM and then cancelled, Jim Hightower and Phil Donahue had high ratings were also cancelled by their networks – cf. The Republican Noise Machine - Brock).

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Posted by: JohnW on Sep 16, 2005 1:35 PM   
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Media consolidation in the hands of fewer and fewer large companies has helped the Neocon effort to limit debate. A 2003 study of ownership consolidation in the radio industry conducted by the Future of Music Coalition found that “ten parent companies now dominate the radio spectrum, radio listenership and radio revenues, controlling two-thirds of both listeners and revenues nationwide… Virtually every local market is dominated by four firms controlling 70 percent of market share or greater. In smaller markets, consolidation is more extreme. The largest four firms in most small markets control 90 percent of market share or more” (The Republican Noise Machine – Brock). “Today the top five radio station owners in the country, controlling 45 powerful radio stations, broadcast 310 hours of nationally syndicated rightwing talk every weekday. Only 5 hours of non-conservative talk are aired nationally on those stations” (Republican Noise Machine, p300).

Television personalities imitating reporters produce slanted, deceptive reports to appeal to Neo-Conservative interests add more disinformation to the air-waves (John Stossel). This all adds to a dumbing down of the debate. People are spending time just trying to correct so many fantasy facts and phony charges (Bushes Allege Clintons Vandalized White House Computers ) - what are commonly referred to as lies. (I wonder if there is a conservative who can present an argument, a plan or a proposal that isn’t based on lies, twisted facts or logic from some other dimension.)

Taken altogether these Neo-con radio mouths, phony television reporters and print propagandists form a circus of the disturbed, the seriously weird and the stubbornly perverse. They really are not interested in anything being accomplished. They seek to get in the way of anything getting done. The strange thing is they actually owe a debt of gratitude to those they so viciously attack. For without the targets of their seething anger they would have no purpose to their lives at all. And they certainly wouldn’t be enjoying the ample compensation they receive from the satisfied corporations and wealthy ultra-conservative billionaires they strive so hard to please.

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Posted by: JohnW on Sep 16, 2005 1:36 PM   
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To understand how the Neo-Cons are undermining our democracy read Banana Republicans by Stauber and Rampton. Then read The Republican Noise Machine (especially chapt. 11: “Hate Radio” and Chapt. 12 “Information Wars”) by David Brock. These are two extremely important books which describe the destructive Neo-Con political strategy. They are both meticulously documented and thoroughly referenced. David Brock is particularly feared and hated in the Neo-Con attack machine because he has seen it work from the inside (see Blinded by the Right – Block). The tactics of the Neo-Cons will only succeed with the acquiescence of an apathetic electorate. Those who don’t get informed and don’t call them on their propaganda and lies (by objecting to media sycophants who repeat Neo-Con Big Lies) only help those who would undermine our Democracy.

Move-on.org has it set up so you can email newspapers across the country to register your disgust at the way the media sycophants are pandering to Neocons by slanting their presentation of the news and by not aggressively reporting cases of the Republicans use of propaganda delivered by the news media. It is up to YOU, who are reading this article(not somebody else) to take a stand for democracy. Without your voice we might see it slip away and sooner than you might think!

Damned if you do...
Posted by: ssantee on Sep 18, 2005 1:05 PM   
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So, do you want the city secured or not?

OOhh, I have an idea, let's use some of that tax money to send all of you down there and let you guys take care of the problems as you see fit!

Hey, has anyone wondered what New Orleans is doing with a massive football arena while their levee system is inadequate? That is probably The Presidents fault also, right? I'll bet Mr. Bush was there supervising the whole evil conspiracy; keep them entertained while we work to flood them... HAHAHAHA(Evil laughter).

By the way, there is a happy solution to the whole mess of national issues... Liberty! Vote Libertarian!

Misunderstanding "mercenaries"
Posted by: cstefansky on Sep 19, 2005 8:33 AM   
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The introduction of so-called “mercenaries for hire” to the relief effort in New Orleans has caused a great deal of confusion as to the scope and purpose of the private security industry.

The term “mercenary,” often misused when discussing private security officers, is a misnomer and is deliberately misleading. A mercenary refers to a soldier who engages in warfare outside of his home country primarily for private gain rather than moral, ideological, or political considerations. The term conjures images of gun-toting extremists, operating on their own whims, without regard for the rule of law.

This does not, however, reflect the reality of the modern private security industry. Despite many misconceptions, today’s professional contractors operate under very strict regulation. Legislation like the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) was enacted to foster transparency and accountability within the industry. Many companies today work under codes of conduct that help to establish general industry standards. For instance, the International Peace Operations Association, a trade association, ensures that its members contribute their services ethically and lawfully for the benefit of international peace and security.

By committing themselves to business contracts with clear and limited mandates, private companies have a legal responsibility to operate efficiently and effectively. In many cases, because of their relative high levels of experience and specialization, even small outfits are generally able to fulfill their mandates more cheaply and capably than state militaries or UN forces. Although possessing a different sort of mandate than in Iraq, employees of Blackwater were able to assemble a rapid response team to work alongside the Coast Guard and the Federal Protective service, a division of the Department of Homeland Security.

This information is inconsistent with Jeremy Scahill’s assertion that Blackwater’s presence should raise “alarming questions about why the government would allow men trained to kill with impunity in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to operate [in New Orleans].” The fact of the matter is, the heavily armed mercenaries Scahill is so worried about are too busy securing petrochemical facilities, transporting necessary supplies, and assisting insurance companies in conducting assessments to be running around killing indiscriminately.

In response to Lord have mercy
Posted by: caryfriend on Sep 19, 2005 6:56 PM   
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We live in what the Bible calls the Last Days.
Things taking place now are clearly identified in the Bible as a sign that we are living in the final scenes of this bedarkened World.

Satan the Devil is behind these things, but Jesus Christ as the Rider on the White Horse depicted in the Bible Book of Revelations, will defeat him and bring about peaceful conditions.

We are tempted to point our fingers at individuals as the cause of the problems of Mankind, but it is not men that are behind these events, it is the wicked spirit creatures, the unseen Demons that work under Satan that are the ones causing so many woes to mankind.

We need to look to Jehovah God and his Son Jesus Christ as the answer to mankinds problems. Only by decisively taking a stand with Jehovah as the One that can solve our problems will we be able to be successful.

We cannot take a stand with any human as the solution. Our only hope comes from Heaven, Our only hope is our creator.....

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