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Eight Big Lies About Katrina

By Raphael Schweber-Koren and Jeremy Schulman, Media Matters for America. Posted September 9, 2005.


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In the past week, Bush administration officials and conservative commentators have repeatedly used the national media to spread misinformation about the federal government's widely criticized response to the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina.

1. Bush: "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees"

On the Sept. 1 broadcast of ABC's Good Morning America, President Bush told host Diane Sawyer, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" that protected New Orleans from flooding. As Media Matters for America has noted, Sawyer did not challenge Bush's claim, despite numerous, repeated warnings by government officials, experts and the media that a major hurricane could cause levee breaches resulting in catastrophic flooding. A September 2 New York Times front-page article  repeated Bush's false claim without challenge -- even though a Times editorial the same day declared, "Disaster planners were well aware that New Orleans could be flooded by the combined effects of a hurricane and broken levees."

A Sept. 5 CNN.com article reported that Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff falsely told reporters that "planners" did not predict a breach of the levees that would flood the city. As CNN.com reported, Chertoff said, "That 'perfect storm' of a combination of catastrophes exceeded the foresight of the planners, and maybe anybody's foresight." But unlike the Times, CNN.com noted that "officials have warned for years that a Category 4 [hurricane] could cause the levees to fail." The CNN.com article added that in an August 31 interview on CNN's Larry King Live, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) director Michael Brown said, "That Category 4 hurricane caused the same kind of damage that we anticipated. So we planned for it two years ago. Last year, we exercised it. And unfortunately this year, we're implementing it." But in the same Larry King Live interview, Brown responded to complaints that rescue efforts were not moving quickly enough by insisting, "And I must say this storm is much, much bigger than anyone expected."

Additionally, as journalist Joshua Micah Marshall noted on Talking Points Memo, National Hurricane Center director Max Mayfield "talked about the force of Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas" on August 28 [St. Petersburg Times, 8/30/05]. The Washington Post quoted Mayfield on September 6: "They knew that this one was different. ... I don't think Mike Brown or anyone else in FEMA could have any reason to have any problem with our calls. ... They were told ... We said the levees could be topped."

2. Chertoff strained credulity in defense of Bush, claimed levee breaks and massive flooding came as a surprise -- more than 12 hours after local media reported them

On Sept. 4, Chertoff appeared on NBC's Meet the Press and attempted to explain Bush's discredited claim  that "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." After host Tim Russert asked Chertoff how the president could "be so wrong, be so misinformed," Chertoff suggested that Bush had been referring to newspaper reports the morning after the storm that New Orleans had "dodged a bullet" because the eye of the storm had passed to the east of the city. But more than 12 hours before the appearance of those headlines in print, a post on the weblog of the New Orleans Times-Picayune -- dated August 29, 2 p.m. CT -- reported, "City Hall confirmed a breach of the levee along the 17th Street Canal at Bellaire Drive, allowing water to spill into Lakeview." This initial report on the Times-Picayune weblog was followed throughout the afternoon and evening of August 29 by reports of other levee breaks and massive flooding.

While Chertoff said he recognized that the city's levee system failed sometime Monday night or Tuesday morning -- in fact, the first breaks occurred earlier, as noted above and as Think Progress noted in its detailed Hurricane Katrina timeline -- he insisted that "it was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap and that essentially the lake [Pontchartrain] was going to start to drain into the city." According to Chertoff, this "second catastrophe really caught everybody by surprise" and was a major reason for the delay in the government's emergency response.

Questioning Chertoff further, Russert pointed out that the Times-Picayune published a five-part series in June 2002, in which it warned that if a large hurricane hit New Orleans, the city's levees would likely be topped or broken -- resulting in catastrophic flooding and thousands of deaths. Russert added that "last summer FEMA, who reports to you, and the LSU Hurricane Center, and local and state officials did a simulated Hurricane Pam in which the levees broke. ... Thousands drowned."

Chertoff then clarified, "What I said was not that we didn't anticipate that there's a possibility the levees will break. What I said was, in this storm, what happened is, the storm passed and passed without the levees breaking on Monday. Tuesday morning, I opened newspapers and saw headlines that said 'New Orleans Dodged the Bullet,' which surprised people. What surprised them was that the levee broke overnight and the next day and, in fact, collapsed. That was a surprise."

Even accepting as true Chertoff's incredible suggestion that he -- the secretary of Homeland Security -- and the president of the United States relied on the print media for their information on the situation in New Orleans, as Think Progress points out, had administration officials "bothered to read the full text of the three articles they found with favorable headlines, they would have realized that federal government help was needed immediately." Moreover, while Chertoff did not indicate which headlines he was referring to, many newspapers -- in addition to the Times-Picayune -- did report on broken levees and significant flooding. For example, on August 30, the Los Angeles Times reported that a levee break had occurred by late morning August 29, with water from the break "spill[ing] through the area, flooding the town's two main shelters and swamping the local National Guard armory, leaving even public safety officials homeless."

Or Chertoff could have turned on the television. On the August 30 broadcast of NBC's Today, NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams reported at 7:05 a.m. ET, "There has been a huge development overnight ... the historic French Quarter, dry last night and it is now filling with water. This is water from nearby Lake Pontchartrain; the levees failed overnight."

Indeed, Chertoff's and Bush's professed ignorance notwithstanding, the federal government was well aware of the continuing threat of the levees breaking. Just hours after the storm passed on Monday, August 29, FEMA director Brown confirmed that the potential for catastrophic flooding remained. In an interview with Brown, NBC Today co-host Matt Lauer noted, "In New Orleans, in particular, they're worried about the levees giving way or the canals not holding, and they're worried about toxic runoff." Brown responded that even though the storm had weakened, there was still a 15- to 20-foot storm surge causing "the water out of Lake Pontchartrain and the Gulf and the Mississippi continue to converge upon Louisiana." Brown added, "So we're still ready for a major disaster."

3. Brown: "We've provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day"

On the Sept. 2 broadcast of NBC's Today, FEMA director Brown told host Katie Couric, "We've provided food to the people at the [New Orleans' Morial] Convention Center so that they've gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day." Couric did not challenge this statement.

But on Sept. 1, NBC News photojournalist Tony Zumbado reported on MSNBC Live:

ZUMBADO: I can't put it into words the amount of destruction that is in this city and how these people are coping. They are just left behind. There is nothing offered to them. No water, no ice, no C-rations, nothing, for the last four days. They were told to go to the convention center. They did, they've been behaving. It's unbelievable how organized they are, how supportive they are of each other. They have not started any melees, any riots. They just want food and support. And what I saw there I've never seen in this country. We need to really look at this situation at the convention center. It's getting very, very crazy in there and very dangerous. Somebody needs to come down with a lot of food and a lot of water.
4. Chertoff: "Apparently, some time on Wednesday, people started to go to the convention center spontaneously"

On the Sept. 1 edition of CNN's Paula Zahn Now, Brown claimed, "Every person in that convention center, we just learned about that today [Thursday, September 1]." During a September 4 interview with Chertoff on CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, host Blitzer replayed Brown's comments. In response, Chertoff said:
CHERTOFF: Well, I mean, this is clearly something that was disturbing. It was disturbing to me when I learned about it, which came as a surprise. You know, the very day that this emerged in the press, I was on a video conference with all the officials, including state and local officials. And nobody -- none of the state and local officials or anybody else -- was talking about a convention center. The original plan, as I understand it, was to have the Superdome be the place of refuge, of last resort. Apparently, some time on Wednesday, people started to go to the convention center spontaneously.
Chertoff's claim that hurricane survivors sought refuge in the convention center under their own initiative echoed his September 4 Meet the Press interview, in which he suggested, "We became aware of the fact at some point that people began to go to the convention center on their own, spontaneously, in order to shelter there." Chertoff's statements were false, but neither Blitzer nor Russert challenged them.

Though scenes of thousands of hurricane victims awaiting water, food, and buses at the convention center were not broadcast on television until Thursday, Sept. 1, Chertoff and Brown would have had access to media reports about the convention center before then. As early as Aug. 29, Times-Picayune staff writer Bruce Nolan wrote an article for the Newhouse News Service in which he reported, "City officials said they might open the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center as a temporary refuge to shelter an estimated 50,000 people made homeless by the storm." Nolan's article appeared in the Times-Picayune on August 30.

Beginning Aug. 31, other reports of survivors at the convention center emerged:
  • Knight Ridder, Aug. 31: "Derwin DeGruy had been kicked out of two  hotels, the first on Sunday right before the storm hit, and the second one  on Tuesday morning after it hit. He and about 50 other people found  makeshift shelter on a ramp leading to the mall and parking garage at the New Orleans Convention Center. They rigged places for people to go to the bathroom,  pooled their water for the babies, placed some blankets on the concrete  and decided to wait and see what happened."

  • Associated Press, August 31: "The 37-year-old banker -- who admitted to  looting some food from a nearby supermarket -- said the hotel guests were  told they were being taken to a convention center, but from there, they  didn't know."

  • Associated Press, Aug. 31: "After several hours, a small fleet of rented  moving trucks showed up to take the people to the downtown convention  center so they could be taken out of the city. Police herded people up  metal ramps like cattle into the unrefrigerated boxes."


By Sept. 1, when Brown claimed FEMA first learned about the situation at the convention center, TV networks were broadcasting footage of thousands of survivors waiting for water, food, and evacuation buses. Despite Chertoff's later insistence that New Orleans residents "spontaneously" converged on the convention center, the September 1 broadcast of ABC's Nightline included footage of a law enforcement official instructing survivors to go there:

SURVIVOR: Ain't nobody helping us.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL: I understand.

SURVIVOR: No, ain't nobody doing anything for us.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL: Y'all got to go to the convention center.

5. Chertoff pointed fingers: "New Orleans officials and the state officials ... called for the Superdome to be the refuge of last resort"

In his Sept. 4 interview on NBC's Meet the Press, Chertoff attempted to place blame for the conditions at the Superdome solely with state and local officials. Chertoff asserted, "My understanding is, and again this is something that's going to go back -- we're going to go back over after the fact -- is the plan that the New Orleans officials and the state officials put together called for the Superdome to be the refuge of last resort."

But this claim is misleading at best. As The Washington Post reported on September 3, a FEMA official acknowledged participating in meetings in which the plan to use the Superdome as a shelter for thousands of evacuees was discussed:

Brown, the agency's director, told reporters Saturday in Louisiana that he did not have a sense of what was coming last weekend.

"I was here on Saturday and Sunday, it was my belief, I'm trying to think of a better word than typical -- that minimizes, any hurricane is bad -- but we had the standard hurricane coming in here, that we could move in immediately on Monday and start doing our kind of response-recovery effort," he said. "Then the levees broke, and the levees went, you've seen it by the television coverage. That hampered our ability, made it even more complex."

But other officials said they warned well before Monday about what could happen. For years, said another senior FEMA official, he had sat at meetings where plans were discussed to send evacuees to the Superdome. "We used to stare at each other and say, 'This is the plan? Are you really using the Superdome?' People used to say, what if there is water around it? They didn't have an alternative," he recalled.

Moreover, the plan to use the Superdome as a shelter for evacuees was widely known. The 2002 Times-Picayune series on the potential for a catastrophic hurricane reported that of the estimated 200,000 New Orleans residents who would likely remain in the city, "[s]ome will be housed at the Superdome, the designated shelter in New Orleans for people too sick or infirm to leave the city."

6. Chertoff falsely minimized federal government's role in Katrina response as subordinate to states

The Bush administration has responded to criticism of its role in the Katrina disaster by attempting to deflect blame onto state and local officials in Louisiana [The New York Times, 9/5/05 ]. One way they are doing that is to claim that the federal government's role in a natural disaster of this magnitude is to provide support to state and local governments and work at their behest. Conservative media figures immediately fell into line, echoing the administration's claim that the federal government's role was subordinate (see here and here). In fact, the Department of Homeland Security's December 2004 National Response Plan clearly indicates that in these situations, the federal government will pre-empt state and local efforts and provide immediate assistance to the affected area.

On Sept. 1, two days after the levees were breached, Chertoff, at a press conference announcing the start of "National Preparedness Month 2005," characterized the federal role in response to Katrina as that of providing support to state and local officials: "The Department of Homeland Security will continue to work with federal, state and local partners to support efforts on the ground in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida. We are working tirelessly to make sure that federal resources are being applied where they are needed all across the Gulf" [Federal News Service, 9/1/05]. But on Sept. 2, Chertoff told reporters that the situation had changed and that federal agencies would now take over the primary role: "The fact of the matter is, this set of catastrophes has broken any mold for how you deal with this kind of weather devastation, and so we're going to break the mold in terms of how we respond. The federal government is not going to play merely its customary role in giving all necessary support to first responders. The federal government is going to step up and take a primary role, working with state and locals to deal with the outcome of this tragedy." [National Public Radio, 9/3/05]

But Chertoff's Sept. 1 statement ignored the administration's own homeland security response plan, which directed the federal government to act on its own authority to quickly provide assistance and conduct emergency operations following a major catastrophe, pre-empting state and local authorities if necessary. According to DHS' December 2004 National Response Plan (NRP), "catastrophic events," such as what occurred in New Orleans, call for heightened and "proactive" federal involvement to manage the disaster. The response plan listed "guiding principles" to govern the response to these major events. The "Guiding Principles for Proactive Federal Response" make clear that, in these "catastrophic" cases, the federal government will operate independently to provide assistance, rather than simply supporting or cajoling state authorities:

  • The primary mission is to save lives; protect critical infrastructure, property, and the environment; contain the event; and preserve national security.

  • Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of catastrophic magnitude.

  • Identified Federal response resources will deploy and begin necessary operations as required to commence life-safety activities.

  • Notification and full coordination with States will occur, but the coordination process must not delay or impede the rapid deployment and use of critical resources. States are urged to notify and coordinate with local governments regarding a proactive Federal response.

  • State and local governments are encouraged to conduct collaborative planning with the Federal Government as a part of "steady-state" preparedness for catastrophic incidents."


The NRP also says that, when responding to a catastrophic incident, the federal government should start emergency operations even in the absence of clear assessment of the situation. "A detailed and credible common operating picture may not be achievable for 24 to 48 hours (or longer) after the incident," the NRP's "Catastrophic Annex" states. "As a result, response activities must begin without the benefit of a detailed or complete situation and critical needs assessment."

A Sept. 5 Los Angeles Times article quoted former FEMA chief of staff Jane Bullock saying that "[t]he moment the president declared a federal disaster [on Aug 29], it became a federal responsibility. ... The federal government took ownership over the response." Moreover, DHS' own website declares that DHS "will assume primary responsibility on March 1st [2005] for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort."

7. Wash. Post, Newsweek, Gingrich falsely claimed that Blanco did not declare a state of emergency

In recent days, two news articles falsely reported that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco had failed to declare a state of emergency, which had supposedly hampered the federal response. An article in the Sept. 13 edition of Newsweek claimed that "Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco seemed uncertain and sluggish, hesitant to declare martial law or a state of emergency, which would have opened the door to more Pentagon help." Likewise, a Sept. 4 Washington Post article incorrectly claimed that "As of Saturday [Sept. 3], Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency," citing an anonymous senior Bush administration official. (The Washington Post's article was later corrected, although Newsweek has yet to correct its article.) Fox News political analyst Newt Gingrich repeated the point on the September 5 O'Reilly Factor, saying, "As you [O'Reilly] point out, the governor [Blanco] failed to call the emergency. And initially, it was the governor who had to call an emergency." In fact, as the Post later noted, Blanco declared a state of emergency (PDF) on August 26.

8. Gingrich falsely claimed that Nagin could "have kept water pumped out" of city had he ensured that pumps worked

On the Sept. 5 O'Reilly Factor, Gingrich also claimed that if New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin had been able to keep the New Orleans pumps working, the flood waters could have been pumped out of the city. "[F]irst of all, the mayor of New Orleans had a real obligation to make sure the four pumps could work. Three of them didn't. It would have kept water pumped out." In fact, New Orleans has 22 "notoriously fickle" pumping stations, according to an Aug. 31 New York Times article. The Times also reported that, according to Dr. Shea Penland, a coastal geologist, "When the pumping systems are in good shape, it can rain an inch an hour for about four to six hours and the pumps can keep pace. More than that, the city floods." The Times also noted that "[e]fforts to add backup power generators to keep [the pumps] all running during blackouts have been delayed by a lack of federal money."

A June 2002 Times-Picayune article, part of a series exploring the probable consequences of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans, indicated that New Orleans' pumps would have been overwhelmed by the rapidly rising floodwaters:
Soon waves will start breaking over the levee.

"All of a sudden you'll start seeing flowing water. It'll look like a weir, water just pouring over the top," [Louisiana State University engineer Joseph] Suhayda said. The water will flood the lakefront, filling up low-lying areas first, and continue its march south toward the river. There would be no stopping or slowing it; pumping systems would be overwhelmed and submerged in a matter of hours.

"Another scenario is that some part of the levee would fail," Suhayda said. "It's not something that's expected. But erosion occurs, and as levees broke, the break will get wider and wider. The water will flow through the city and stop only when it reaches the next higher thing. The most continuous barrier is the south levee, along the river. That's 25 feet high, so you'll see the water pile up on the river levee."

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Jeremy Schulman and Raphael Schweber-Koren are members of the research department at Media Matters for America.

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dr. emerit.
Posted by: cohrt on Sep 9, 2005 3:41 AM   
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Do you still after this event insists on living in a fully working democracy guarding all principles of humanity.

Why not in the open annihilate all poor spenders, the disposessed, white trash and black trash and no racial animosity here

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Action Time
Posted by: navistic50 on Sep 9, 2005 4:22 AM   
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I have found a bit of a sense of relief in writing to senators, congress people and the news media in attempts to keep the pressure on these groups for accountability and responsible behaviors.

The political elite in this country are useless at this time. None are able to be truthful or for that matter, are even true patriots. They are failures as politicians and as human beings.

I for one will not back down to Bush and Co. They deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent for their many and varied crimes againt the people of the U.S. and the world.

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Bush Is An Inveterate Liar
Posted by: Commie_Ricko on Sep 9, 2005 5:04 AM   
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What can you expect from a liar and cheat and a murder! Assigned to assess the errors in rescuing the dispossed Bush is all set to white wash another terror and put the blame on white and black trash. Slowly but surely this felon is murdering our citizenry and no one has the gumption to stop him so we deserve all the hell he can dish out. Get ready for that suitcase nuclear terrorist attack next on his agenda so he can turn the whole country into a complete dictatorship!

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Levees bursting in New Orleans
Posted by: robchapman on Sep 9, 2005 5:15 AM   
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In the article on the gov't/media misstatements on the Katrina Katastrophe; point three; the correspondents review remarks by DHS Secretary Chertoff regarding press reports the President read stating New Orleans had dodged the bullet.
This interview is eerily reminescent of open mike reporting aired in WBET in NYC September 10, 2001.
In a rambling press conference, President Bush made numerous remarks concerning wanted posters for the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack.
When asked to explain what he meant, the President referred to wanted posters, like those posted" when we were children."
The President apparently was unable to distinguish between the toy wanted posters we played with in the fifities and sixties and the real thing.
Although the media cleaned this up and made Bush out to be a decisive and competent leader in the aftermath of 9/11, the truth is different.
Perhaps this time, with the emergency occurring in our own country and the possibility for people to analyze the events themselves, the media will not be able to shield Bush and we will finally get to see him as he is.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

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The President Leads An Investigation
Posted by: Sandra on Sep 9, 2005 5:41 AM   
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And now we hear that our esteemed leader is to lead an investigation into this national tragedy, along with the Republican controlled Congress. Rove will keep spinning misinformation and the so called leaders of this country will whitewash the whole mess.

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Maybe I'm prescient
Posted by: bookwoman on Sep 9, 2005 6:53 AM   
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On Tuesday morning, I read the articles on the internet and heard reports of the flooding and stranded people on the radio. I accessed a Relief and Development Fund website which is run by my denomination and sent some money. I have the dated receipt from my email. If I could see there was going to be a tragedy, why did it take Bush, Chertoff and Brown so long to see the problem.

Also, I am a Republican, but it is making me really angry to see all these Republican apologists pointing fingers at the local Administrations to redirect attention away from the ham handed way this whole mess was and still is being undertaken. The stories just coming out of the debacle over the $2,000 debit cards are amazing. The public relations guy for FEMA is even denying any knowledge of the cards.

I am also thunderstruck about the Bush apologist comparisons between the delay in the lower Gulf region and overseas relief activities. Overseas is thousands of miles away in countries with very little infrastructure. New Orleans and the lower Mississippi region are here guys, less than a thousand miles away from our nation's capital, and, up to the point where the roads are underwater and inaccessible, the roads, airports and railroad tracks are in good shape. There was no excuse that flies, but I can tell you, the Bush Administration has finally created a situation of "shock and awe" amongst a people. Its too bad it their own people who are watching in wonder and dismay.

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krose
Posted by: krose on Sep 9, 2005 6:58 AM   
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Maybe finally, some of the more DECENT journalists are waking up from their "long winters' naps," and are beginning to realize the extent of the corruption and inadequacy of this MOB, and are feeling guilty about their own complicity in this mess. I would also guess that they are AFRAID! They realize that they and their own families could be trapped in the next disaster. As a result, they are slowly exposing this Administration for what it truly is, STUPID, RECKLESS, and MORALLY INFERIOR!

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Caution: Morons at Work
Posted by: Grouchoman on Sep 9, 2005 7:10 AM   
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If any of you think the suits in DC will even raise more than a hand to Bush and Co. , then you got another thing coming. Washington is total bullshit, even the Dems are pussies. We need new blood, some bastards who dont have to wear ties and armani to tell us how to live and breathe.

"When the levee breaks, have no place to go..."

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I lost hope
Posted by: sydmil on Sep 9, 2005 7:14 AM   
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The most frustrating thing is, that they will get away with it. Most people in this country don’t hear your arguments. And when the time comes to vote again, the few arguments that ever made it to the mainstream media will be forgotten or overshadowed by some well orchestrated sensational claims about the moral and religious depravity of the liberal proponents. It’s Jeb Bush for 2008 and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

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Another Approach
Posted by: L. J. Allen on Sep 9, 2005 7:22 AM   
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Actually I'm going to forget about that feeling that pops up from time to time that says, "Bush and the federal government's response to this disaster is the result of insensitivity to the urban and Black poor." That feeling, that sentiment isn't really necessary. On Thursday 8 September 2005 I watched reports of how First Lady Laura Bush took aim at her husband's critics. She noted that the slowness of federal response had nothing to do with the fact that so many of the victims of this disaster in New Orleans were Black and members of the lower class.

Considering that the Bushes probably don't personally know any members of the Black urban poor, it is not likely that they hate them; it is more likely that they just don't really think about them too often, which in some respects is worse than hatred. Hatred is awful, but it is at least an identifiable feeling or experience for both the hater and the hated. Indifference is worse because it renders the suffering of people to an almost invisible status. But I digress...

So here's a thought. If the socio-economic class and/or race of New Orleans' hurricane victims did not play a factor in the slowness of federal response, then the only other reason for delay would have to be either incompetence in general and/or a lack of readiness for disaster. The information in this article is more than enough proof. No one really has to label Bush, Chertoff, or Brown classist or racist. You can just say--with confidence--that they're incompetent.

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...Do not attempt to Adjust your TV...
Posted by: asque on Sep 9, 2005 7:23 AM   
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This administration has stolen the opening from the Outer Limits and made it thier own. Of Course they do not watch TV or read the news-why bother when they know that it has been scripted to their specifications. It is only when reality diverges from the script and the "media experts" report a problem that action is taken, and even then, it is largely limited to coming up with the "correct spin'."

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Who knew
Posted by: Wandy on Sep 9, 2005 7:46 AM   
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Who know people would fly airplanes into buildings? Who knew the NO leeves could break? Right; anybody into spin? The NO leevies have been in blues songs synce before I was born. And I'm old. Wonder what his magisty was strumming on that guitar. Could it have been 'When da Leeve brake' (traditional).

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Frustrated in Canuckland
Posted by: Canadianbeaverlover on Sep 9, 2005 8:09 AM   
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I find it incredibly frustrasting to watch what is going on to our brothers and sisters down there south of the border. Not that we don't have our own morons up here, BushCo. is driving the whole world into the ground and there's fuck-all I can do about it, but bitch.
Because first of all I don't have a US vote. Secondly I feel that I could be told that it's none of my business, and Thirdly it takes and incredible amount of reading and research to know the facts, not the spin. You can't convince people who don't do their own homework. Crap my wife thinks that Bush is in Iraq because he invaded Kuwait! wtf? But this is so typical of people who do not have the time or inclination to question anything that shows up on Corporate Media.

Just my two cents worth.
Man, my heart goes out to the disaster survivors. I've shed more that a couple of tears for those people. I hope Canada is watching and learning the lessons as I am.

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what peeves me most...
Posted by: theonestonecutter on Sep 9, 2005 8:45 AM   
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about this is that i saw a picture someone had taken of the school buses in new orleans sunk to the windows in water in the parking lot, must have been hundreds of them. with three days warning and an ordered evacuation why were these buses not driven into town to the more depressed areas and loaded with people and driven out? A FLEET OF BUSES THAT ALREADY HAS A FLEET OF DRIVERS. what an absolute boondoggle. having survived a hurricane in turkey under bush 1 i can assure you they have no problems leaving humans to die.

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To Honor thousands who were killed, Every Citizen must demand Justice!
Posted by: kuma on Sep 9, 2005 8:46 AM   
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Bush and his feckless minions have committed multiple acts of Reckless Homicide, killing thousands in NOLA alone. The evidence is in, the evidence is massive and incontravertable! No amount of bush/rove lies and spin can hide all these crimes. First 9-11, then Iraq, and now NOLA; Bush and company have committed repeated acts of negligence and depraved disregard for human life, resulting in Mass Reckless Homicide. They must be charged, before their serial lies and depraved recklessness kill again.

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Who will rescue us?
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 9, 2005 9:07 AM   
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Where does "the buck" stop? In our country "the buck" stops at each citizen's doorstep. We have to rescue ourselves. We the people seem to have forgotten that "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty". We did not heed the warning of (Republican) President Eisenhower to beware the "military-industrial" complex. Now our government is controlled by corporations. Both parties are bought with campaign contributions. Our votes only choose which candidates will carry out the agenda of the corporations. To regain control of the government should be our first priority. That will only come about if campaigns are totally funded with taxpayers' money. If every citizen will convince every politician that his vote is entirely dependant on the candidates support of campaign finance reform, both parties will include it in their platforms. Unlike other issues e.g. prayer in schools, pro-life, pro-choice, gun control, etc. that can divide us: campaign finance reform is an issue that can unite us.
http://www.lincolninitiative.org

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Time for a recall
Posted by: BuckFush on Sep 9, 2005 9:20 AM   
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The POTUS is the inept, arrogant, and above all DEAD wrong on everything. Impeach the phucker now!

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No words really,.....
Posted by: nakis on Sep 9, 2005 9:19 AM   
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There spinning more lies to cover their collective asses. Who is going to believe them? Only those who want to believe them despite the insurmountable evidence against them.
Who are they fooling? Not many. Just the foolish enough who want to be fooled. Not the overwhelming majority from around the world.

Two things really bother me.

One. Once again they are faced with self-evident facts. Even if the facts didn't dictate their criminality, the failure would demand accountability from those in charge. In the very least they failed. Shouldn't that mean they should be held accountable? Blame whomever but the buck is supposed to stop at the man in charge. Shouldn't they be at least fired for gross incompetence? Which means that even with this wagging the dog, they know they will get away with it. They know that even when the majority will know of their guilt, they will get away with it. Our government is owned. Not by the people.

Two. In five years of this presidency, the incredible and outrageous has happened. We've been attacked like never before by terrorists. Our economy is worse off than before they came to office. We've engaged in two wars. We're spending billions more on the military each succeeding year even though the cold war ended. Our infrastructure is decaying. The tax burden has been dramatically shifted to the poor from the rich. Each year we have more people in poverty and more people without health insurance. Wages are going down steadily. The wealth of the wealthiest 2% is dramatically increasing. We have engaged in a unprecedented pre-emptive war. The United States of America, unprovoked attacked another nation without just cause. The leaders who started the attack did it upon lies and were not held accountable. Our environmental laws are being gutted. Pollution has increased. The government is actively waging war on the middle and lower classes.
Then a catastrophy hits that clears away the lies and shows what they are doing. They are deregulating our industries and engaging in free trade policies. Corruption in at all time highs and is being rewarded. While whistleblowers are being punished. The media is owned and controlled by the wealthy.
I could go on but I'm nearing the limit.

Just how far does America have to fall? Just how far are these people willing to go? A lot farther I am afraid to say.

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Lessons Learned
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 9, 2005 9:32 AM   
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This disaster shows us exactly what failure to plan can bring.
To say 'they had no idea of a levee break' is beyond contempt. I personally have watched several programs on this very same topic. All quite a time before this event took place. In some cases the shows were years ahead of the storm. To think as mayor of a large city that you don't have the authority to mobilize every form of public,city and private transportation to achieve a 'complete evacuation' for the good of the people,could be seen as being overwhelmed by
the magnitude,but, an evacuation should never degrade to
'Ya'll have to fend for yourselves". Every military base within 24 hrs. drive time should have been on alert, to move with
medicine,food,water and tents for shelter. When the storm passed Key West the Navy should've benn following the storm with rescue ships. Ol' 'Dub' sitting on his vacation ranch
should've made his ranch available,it has fresh water,a stocked fish pond and a lot of edible critters walking about. The fact that the poor were 'Hung out to Dry' proves the utter contempt that the leadership and a fat chunk of the wealthy
have for the poor and low income. Not withstanding the fact that the very structure of our economic society demands that
in order for the few to become fabulously wealthy, 40% must
be kept incredibly poor. I tell you all now,sure as the sun rises in the east, the poor and low-income districts will be bulldozed like most of the area,but, their housing won't be rebuilt,and what goes up will be too expensive for the poor to live there. The People are leading the Relief Effort, The People are getting the job done,and, when it's all finnished and over with The People will see that the government,with all it's trappings of wealth and honor are truly neither and always have been. Are therefore obsolete,ineffective,corrupt failures,as leaders and Humans.This alone proves that a pay-cut should be instore for them,removal from office with no retirement or 'warchest' monies in their pockets. We can do better without them. We've proved it to ourselves,and, they've proved it to us.

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"The Truth Sets Everybody Free"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 9, 2005 10:17 AM   
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When different media outlets report different versions of the same factual information by using spin-by-omission or by negligence and/or laziness, the public doesn't know what to believe. In response, the public will trust their greatest authority figure, which, in our previously-democratic system, has been the president – and the public is 'way behind the curve on the malfeasance and ineptitude that has infected that most-important office for the last four years.

If media outlets would do their jobs; if they would follow their own mandate, they would stop being unwitting (and in some cases half-witted) accomplices to administration lies, and would instead insist on following a nearly-outmoded standard that everyone can agree on: the truth.

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BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED
Posted by: raidousa1 on Sep 9, 2005 10:45 AM   
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How many people have to suffer... or have to be killed... indirectly due to bush and his bush-league politics? PROFITS B-4 PEOPLE-TO THE MAX!

He should be impeached immediately and tried for crimes against humanity!

Due to his actions and inactions, thousands of people have died. Wait- maybe that only counts if the dead are wealthy white bush supporters- THE MAN IS A CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH!

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"The Brainless Have A BIG Soapbox"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 9, 2005 10:49 AM   
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Boy, I just get all warm and comfy when I read of appallingly ignorant statements – like those from self-styled "experts" like useless, fat-bastard Gingrich and "Loofa Boy" O'Reilly – that get so much air time. The insane are not only running the asylum, they are advertising their lunacy to the rest of the world. From what I read in the foreign press, America is becoming the laughing-stock of Europe.

When is the public going to wake up and realize that 2/3 of the morons on political talk shows are nothing more than loudmouths with microphones, and that actually, they know very little about anything – except how to manipulate their pathetically unproductive careers.

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Overhead says what
Posted by: DAC on Sep 9, 2005 10:49 AM   
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Let’s face the sad and disturbing truth that the middle and lower classes will never be represented by the inner-beltway mob. Compassionate freedom-loving citizens need to wake-up and stop participating in the process. Stop paying federal income taxes to the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. Send the monies to your local schools and infrastructure directly. Stop purchasing products which undermine the local economy. The whole pyramid is supported by the working classes and they are the first to be squeezed. Our lives are filled with the overhead of corporate advertising, government spin, unrepresented taxation and Federal Reserve Bank created inflation. This undermines our relationship with each other. Fight the good fight and stop this fascist juggernaut.

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SHOCKED AND IN AWE!!!!!!
Posted by: Tonna on Sep 9, 2005 11:21 AM   
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We have been totally betrayed by this admministration. Our trust has been stolen. The lies continue and the spin, spins.
When I heard Mrs. Bushes comment- the "Let them eat cake" attitude, I was reminded of just how far removed from the real world this administration truly is.

I am outraged, fearful, angry, shocked and in awe of the lack of concern for AMERICAN CITIZENS. Those of us with eyes wide open see what can happen to any of us in any town here in OUR country.

They prosecuted Martha for lieing to the feds- Now we all know the feds have not only lied, but betrayed us all. But they will never be charged, they are the elite.

I watched Bush today making statements about 9/11 and his beloved war. He was very happy with himself. I thought, no weapons of mass distruction- no ties proven between Al Quida and Iraq, our dead soldiers, what an unbelievable betrayal.

Havent we learned anything from 9/11. Protect our nation, protect our citizenry. Be prepared. Utilize the mass amount of intelligence we have in this nation to respond to natural disasters just as we would a terroist attack.

With disgust I flipped the channel to see a split screen. The right screen: poor folks being evacuated at gun point, handcuffed, and lead off to who knows where. The left screen: a press conference was being held - officials stating that in New Orleans they were not using force to remove evacuees.
Thank you, CNN for showing the truth.

I am in utter shock- the things I feared true, are true. These are very serious times we live in... My prayer is that ALL AMERICANS pay attention, hold the correct people accountable and correct this horrible tragic mess we have allowed our country to become.

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This is the deplorable right's talking points
Posted by: denaud on Sep 9, 2005 11:49 AM   
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From: armchair@troi.cc.rochester.edu at Slate.com

"So those are two reasons we might want to rethink the policy of giving federal assistance to disaster victims. It encourages people to live in dangerous places, and it denies people the opportunity to accept higher risks in exchange for lower housing costs. Those abstract principles might be partly offset by any number of real world considerations. But if we want to build a better world, no truth should be ignored."

(Nice. Beautiful people.)

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Halliburton
Posted by: denaud on Sep 9, 2005 11:51 AM   
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If there were 10,000 Halliburton employees trapped in the Convention Center, you damn well better believe they would have been removed in 24 hours.

Follow link to the Cheney video from yesterday:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/08.html#a4856

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sherry
Posted by: se8332 on Sep 9, 2005 12:13 PM   
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I just do not understand what is wrong with us people here in this country. We have some very wealthy people. Actors, Musicians, etc... Why not just give. If we all donated money,our time, help we could solve the situation. It takes money to do media ads, funtions,concerts. Just give the money and save the people. Everyone makes it way more about media coverage than just giving directly to the problem. They should have taken every army,navy,airforce person,cops from everywhere to go get these people out.Quit doing so much talking, thinking and do action. That is what is wrong with us, it takes a big production to get anything done. So lives are lost. How sad.But nothing will change here in this country,its all politics.There is so much money out there and we are self absorbed greedy people. we need to start taking care of our own. And it sickens me to hear racial remarks in time of crisis. Does it ever stop being an opportunity to to use race as a crutch.People are people, everyone deserves life.every quit discussing and get out there and save the people.
Sherry

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Katrina Karma
Posted by: susjs on Sep 9, 2005 2:17 PM   
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I have some suggestions for consequences that Bush, his cabinet, family, congress, etc. should experience as a result of their handling of the Katrina survivors:

* Bush is sent to Abu Ghraib prison - without benefit of counsel or any outside contact - until either the war in Iraq is over and all of our soldiers are home or until the Gulf Coast region is rebuilt - whichever takes the longest.

* Bush's daughters become Army privates and go to Iraq for at least three tours of duty. They use different last names so no one knows who they are.

* Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice and Bush's father go to New Orleans to help with the pickup and identification of dead bodies and breaking the news to the families of the dead. No contact with outside world. They do this for at least a month and take it as next year's August vacation. Rice is not allowed to buy any shoes during this time.

* The rest of the Cabinet and the Senators and Representatives are divided in half. One half cleans up the Superdome and the other half cleans up the Convention Center. None of them are allowed any contact with the
outside world other than reporters. They are not given water or food during this time and each day they are promised that help is going to arrive the next day which, of course, it doesn't.

* All of the children of the Cabinet members, Senators and Representatives who are ages 18-35 drop whatever they are doing and go to Iraq to fight the war - three tours of duty.

* Laura and Barbara Bush go to Houston and stay in the Houston shelter passing out medicine and taking care of people suffering from E.coli infections. Laura can read to the children during her free time. Barbara Bush on display at the Houston Astrodome as a "person of privilege" who has a difficult time (chuckle) adapting to these circumstances.

Anybody want to add anything?

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Anybody Want To Add Anything ?
Posted by: kww355 on Sep 9, 2005 3:22 PM   
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Nothin' but a hearty AMEN !!!

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rebuilding New Orleans
Posted by: snarej on Sep 9, 2005 3:37 PM   
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By the time they've finished appropriating funds for reconstruction, Katrina is going to rival the War in Iraq in terms of cost! (incidentally, both disasters were preventable) Listen, I know this site is populated with old-style FDR welfale lib types, but y'all have just seen "big Govt" in action! like what you see? me neither, but I never put my faith in Govt. to begin with. How many people honestly think that things would have gone swell if only Kerry was in office? True, Bush Screwed up royally, and this failure shows him and his "vote for me and i'll protect you" administration for the frauds they really are, but I'm not all that hip to seeing additional hundreds of billions of dollars piled on top of the deficit to pay for this thing. So we can have KBR and Halliburton profiteering on the homefront also? Heres an Idea, Declare the Gulf Coast Area tax and regulation free for 20 years. no need for central planning or Jimmy carter--an I guarantee the influx of business, capital investment, trade and other various economic activity flowing into the area will have New orleans looking great again in no time. Then the liberals can start taxing and regulating again! :)

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misskitty29203's SPIN...
Posted by: Scott on Sep 9, 2005 4:06 PM   
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THE ONLY thing that any one needs to spin is "why" did THAT MAN remain on VACATION for a WHOLE WEEK before Katrina when HE should have been in D.C. declaring martial law, filling C130's, C141's, C17's with paratroopers with back pack supplies, radio; when trucks, planes, boats, buses, etc. were rolling the highways of America to be in place on the edge of the storm track-so they had to deal with 30-40-50 miles an hour wind; when Navy ships should have been plowing the Gulf waters behind Katrina's path; when the Red Cross, Fema, hospitals, doctors, nurses, governors should all have been pre-staging; when HE should have called Congress or certainly the Congressional leaders of these states to D.C. and all should have been planning like crazy for THEY ALL knew a week before that Katrina would hit where IT hit!!!!! I knew that watching the weather news here in SC, WHY DID not BUSH know that?? That is the only spin we need to know? WHY did HE do VACATION instead of his job? THEN WE need to IMPEACH the whole damm lot..............

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Balance your Blame
Posted by: jakealeah on Sep 9, 2005 6:45 PM   
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I am a liberal, but there is too much blame on the federal government from the confused..Blame the government...local, state, and federal.

Empower yourself, break free from the bonds of slavery caused by hating Bush, republicans, conservatives....or worse someone that thinks different than you. Liberalism is about tolerance and respect, not intolerance and anger.....

In this case all aspects of government failed to defend us, the people. This is a primary function of government.

If you are going to lay blame, lay it in against all who failed....not just the republican conservative...not just the president, not just the head of FEMA, not just Mayor Nagin...They all failed...

Guess what? you better learn to defend yourself, when tradegy happens to your town, the masses will be like rabid animals.

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Balance your Blame
Posted by: jakealeah on Sep 9, 2005 6:45 PM   
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I am a liberal, but there is too much blame on the federal government from the confused..Blame the government...local, state, and federal.

Empower yourself, break free from the bonds of slavery caused by hating Bush, republicans, conservatives....or worse someone that thinks different than you. Liberalism is about tolerance and respect, not intolerance and anger.....

In this case all aspects of government failed to defend us, the people. This is a primary function of government.

If you are going to lay blame, lay it in against all who failed....not just the republican conservative...not just the president, not just the head of FEMA, not just Mayor Nagin...They all failed...

Guess what? you better learn to defend yourself, when tradegy happens to your town, the masses will be like rabid animals.

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Balance your Blame
Posted by: jakealeah on Sep 9, 2005 6:45 PM   
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I am a liberal, but there is too much blame on the federal government from the confused..Blame the government...local, state, and federal.

Empower yourself, break free from the bonds of slavery caused by hating Bush, republicans, conservatives....or worse someone that thinks different than you. Liberalism is about tolerance and respect, not intolerance and anger.....

In this case all aspects of government failed to defend us, the people. This is a primary function of government.

If you are going to lay blame, lay it in against all who failed....not just the republican conservative...not just the president, not just the head of FEMA, not just Mayor Nagin...They all failed...

Guess what? you better learn to defend yourself, when tradegy happens to your town, the masses will be like rabid animals.

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Ezekiel 34
Posted by: knitter on Sep 9, 2005 7:11 PM   
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Here is a chapter that speaks about those who have been looking out for themselves instead of those whom they are pledged to protect. I was startled to see how timely and current Ezekiel 34 is. The prophetic books of the Bible do not mince words about those who misuse their responsibility. Read for yourself.

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willymack
Posted by: willymack on Sep 9, 2005 9:50 PM   
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Who's got the courage, moral uprightness, and rectitude of conduct to begin the process leading to the downfall of these traitorous swine? Haven't we had enough of dirty lies, foul deeds, and denial of blame for several impeachments? What the hell are we waiting for? Do the people themselves have to take matters into their own hands, since Congress is gutless and corrupt? SOMEBODY has to do something, and soon.

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A bigger lie
Posted by: julianlee on Sep 9, 2005 10:58 PM   
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A bigger lie about Katrina is that Bush is the prime one to blame, rather than New Orleans' incompetent mayor, and Lousiana's incompetent governor. Local authorities always have primary responsibility for disaster preparedness. The federal government is a backup. As it is, the feds got up to speed pretty fast, even with the governor failing to make the necessary request for four days. In the end it is Bush and the feds, et al, who are rescuing these people.

Oh yeah, and some other lies are is that the federal government is supposed to do everything for us, that they can be competent to do so, that this an efficient stategy, and that the feds can protect us from all harm.

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Criminal Liability
Posted by: nomore on Sep 9, 2005 11:12 PM   
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I believe that criminal liability can be proved here - against those misrepresenting themselves and their qualifications in order to obtain high positions responsible for the safety of thousands or millions of Americans; and against those who appoint unqualified persons to positions of responsibility thus endangering the lives of Americans. Merely firing or impeaching those guilty of negligence is not enough! People died because of the incompetence! This was only in part a natural disaster. The rest is a man-made disaster!

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ECLECTICIST S JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Sep 10, 2005 4:38 AM   
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In our current disaster configuration with selected members of BUSH 43's cronies, any words stated by the adminstration is suspect...

Even though this article cites eight lies about the Katrina fiasco, the administration exclaims them from a "half-truth" perspective..." But this characterization is like stating that a women is "half pregnant..." Either the woman is pregnant or not...Bush 43 is following his Bush doctrine he has indicated in the past as denoted below from an excerpt :

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." -- George Bush, "President Participates in Social Security Conversation in New York," May 24, 2005.

Moreover, as hard as Bush 43 tries to emulate a Texas cowboy - wears jeans, has a big buckle, has a ranch, and lives in Texas, etc - he has left one pervasive ingredient of his character - "He has failed to admit he has made a mistake..." Not once, but several times - Iraq, Katrina, budget deficits, tax relief for the rich, SSA, etc...

Yes, the American voter made a mistake in selecting this transplanted cowboy to lead our nation...Just ask the American citizens in New Orleans...

S...JIM...RODRIGUEZ+++EL ECLECTICIST
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» RE: CLECTICIST S JIM RODRIGUEZ Posted by: oldwoman
Private Charities, Not Government, to the Rescue
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Sep 10, 2005 7:40 AM   
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"Former President Bill Clinton on Monday said the government 'failed' the thousands of people who lived in coastal communities devastated by Hurricane Katrina, and said a federal investigation was warranted in due time," . CNN.com reports "He and former President George H. W. Bush have launched the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund to help raise money for those left homeless by the storm."

In "Civil Society to the Rescue," Michael Tanner, Cato's director of health and welfare studies, observes, "Private charities have been more successful than government welfare has at actually helping people for several reasons.

"[Perhaps most importantly], private charity requires a different attitude on the part of both recipients and donors. Recipients learn that private charity is not an entitlement but a gift carrying reciprocal obligations. Donors learn that private charity demands they become directly involved. There is no compassion in spending someone else's money--even for a good cause. True compassion depends on personal involvement.

"Thus private charity is ennobling for everyone involved, both those who give and those who receive. Government welfare ennobles no one."

Cato's Handbook on Policy states: "Any time there is a natural disaster FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) is trotted out as an example of how well government programs work. In reality, by using taxpayer dollars to provide disaster relief and subsidized insurance, FEMA itself encourages Americans to build in disaster-prone areas and makes the rest of us pick up the tab for those risky decisions. In a well-functioning private marketplace, individuals who chose to build houses in flood plains or hurricane zones would bear the cost of the increased risk through higher insurance premiums. FEMA's activities undermine that process. Americans should not be forced to pay the cost of rebuilding oceanfront summer homes. This $4 billion a year agency should be abolished."

Civil Society to the Rescue

Cato's Handbook on Policy

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greybeard
Posted by: greybeard on Sep 10, 2005 8:44 AM   
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Nero fiddled while Rome burned, George pluckled while New Orleans sank.

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What the Hell Did You Expect?
Posted by: stoney13 on Sep 10, 2005 11:25 AM   
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BUSH LIED AGAIN!!!!! OH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!! OH GIMME A FUCKIN' BREAK!!!!

What did you expect? Honesty? Integrity? From the Republicans? GET REAL!!!!!! When you stick your hand in a bee's nest, you know what to expect!! When Bush opens his pie-hole, you know what to expect!! LIES!!!

Dogs eat shit, Republicans tell lies!! That's life!!

I said it once, I'll say it again! If the Republicans run Congress after Novemember 2006; This country deserves the son of a bitch !!!!!!!!!!

Now what the fuck are we gonna do about it?

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» RE: What the Hell Did You Expect? Posted by: kelly.nickell
about reconstruction...
Posted by: snarej on Sep 10, 2005 12:40 PM   
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When some Alaskan dickhead tacks on a 200 million+ bridge building project to the highway bill that would benefit all of 50 people, while Bush and his buddies cuts funding for the Army Corps of Engineers resposible for maintaining the main levees of NO, supposedly in full knowledge of the inevitability of such a scenario we have now, all the while defining his administration as "security from terror" and a full 65% of Republicans still support this man, informed democracy is in danger.

As far as rebuilding new orleans goes, I don't have a choice about where my tax dollars go--they could be funding the fine arts, rebuilding NO or buying cruise missles in preperation for war with China. But why should my children and grandchildren suffer even more under a greater burden of govt. debt by letting the reconstruction of NO be centrally planned and federally funded? and who needs Jimmy Carter anyway? This country has been suffering under Political Capitalism and corrupt rent-seeking since its founding. Whats wrong with finally establishing a free city with minimal intervention as an incentive to bring back the business and entrepeneures who build cities in the first place? In a disaster-prone area such as NO, its always better to let private firms mitigate the risk of development, rather than have a chunk of my paycheck do it. Or at least let the state and local govt. float some bonds, which people can CHOOSE to buy or not to buy! I'm struggling enough as it is, give me a good reason why I should be FORCED to subsidize reconstruction (which would be contracted out to KBR and Halliburton anyway) with my hard-earned money. If I want to Volenteer or donate, that is MY perogative, and I have, on my own terms and initiative. The problem I have is with an extortion of tax dollars going towards something (like the Iraq war) that I profoundly dissagree with. +, theres been no vote no referendum, no consent of the people in terms of how our money should be best spent in the effort. Thats democracy? Thats tyranny my friends.

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» RE: about reconstruction... Posted by: kelly.nickell
» it won't matter Posted by: jv in kc
» RE: about reconstruction... Posted by: stoney13
Here Come the Gov't Contracts!
Posted by: jv in kc on Sep 10, 2005 2:35 PM   
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Pwew! Just when I started to think nobody's going to profit from the disaster!

Two clients of lobbyist Jow Allbaugh, W's former campaign manager and friend of "Brownie," won no-bid contracts for cleaning up and repairing the damage caused by Katrina. Oh, did I mention one of them was Halliburton? The same Halliburton that continues to be a source of income for Cheney. The same Halliburton that has billed the Pentagon for $1 billion in "questioned" costs and $422 million in "unsupported" costs. All they need now is the Medal of Freedom.

The only suprise is that this didn't happen sooner. They have no shame.

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» surprise, surprise! Posted by: beetruetoyou
Rebuilding New Orleans Part I
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Sep 10, 2005 4:26 PM   
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Forty years ago, an electric grid failure plunged New York and other northeastern cities into a long blackout. But law and order prevailed. Ordinary citizens went to intersections to direct traffic. People helped each other. After the blackout was over, this experience left many people with an upbeat spirit about their fellow human beings.

Another blackout in New York, years later, was much uglier. And what has been happening now in New Orleans is uglier still. Is there a trend here?

Fear, grief, desperation or despair would be understandable in people whose lives have been devastated by events beyond their control. Regret might be understandable among those who were warned to evacuate before the hurricane hit but who chose to stay. Yet the word being heard from those on the scene is "angry."

That may be a clue, not only to the breakdown of decency in New Orleans, but to a wider degeneration in American society in recent decades.

Why are people angry? And at whom?

Apparently they are angry at government officials for not having rescued them sooner, or taken care of them better, or for letting law and order break down.

No doubt the inevitable post mortems on this tragic episode will turn up many cases where things could have been done better. But who can look back honestly at his own life without seeing many things that could have been done better?

Just thinking about all the mistakes you have made over a lifetime can be an experience that is humbling, if not humiliating.

When all is said and done, government is ultimately just human beings -- politicians, judges, bureaucrats. Maybe the reason we are so often disappointed with them is that they have over-promised and we have been gullible enough to believe them.

Government cannot solve all our problems, even in normal times, much less during a catastrophe of nature that reminds man how little he is, despite all his big talk.

The most basic function of government, maintaining law and order, breaks down when floods or blackouts paralyze the system.

During good times or bad, the police cannot police everybody. They can at best control a small segment of society. The vast majority of people have to control themselves.

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Rebuilding New Orleans Part II
Posted by: bdcbryan@hotmail.com on Sep 10, 2005 4:27 PM   
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That is where the great moral traditions of a society come in -- those moral traditions that it is so hip to sneer at, so cute to violate, and that our very schools undermine among the young, telling them that they have to evolve their own standards, rather than following what old fuddy duddies like their parents tell them.

Now we see what those do-it-yourself standards amount to in the ugliness and anarchy of New Orleans.

In a world where people flaunt their "independence," their "right" to disregard moral authority, and sometimes legal authority as well, the tragedy of New Orleans reminds us how utterly dependent each one of us is for our very lives on millions of other people we don't even see.

Thousands of people in New Orleans will be saved because millions of other people they don't even know are moved by moral obligations to come to their rescue from all corners of this country. The things our clever sophisticates sneer at are ultimately all that stand between any of us and utter devastation.

Any of us could have been in New Orleans. And what could we have depended on to save us? Situational ethics? Postmodern philosophy? The media? The lawyers? The rhetoric of the intelligentsia?

No, what we would have to depend on are the very things that are going to save the survivors of hurricane Katrina, the very things that clever people are undermining.

New Orleans can be rebuilt and the levees around it shored up. But can the moral levees be shored up, not only in New Orleans but across America?

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How are the rich and famous faring after Katrina?
Posted by: mom'z the word on Sep 10, 2005 11:12 PM   
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There is talk of an independent investigation similiar to the 9/11 commission sponsored by Senator Clinton. Independent investigations are good. However, an independent media asking the right questions might be better. How long did it take the 9/11 commission to conduct it's investigation? Investigative reporting can be documented, sourced and interviews videotaped for the record. Your article is a good example of how information can be verified. Who in the free press has a problem with doing the independent investigation? If the opportunity presents itself these are some of the questions I would like answered.

The focus on the aftermath of Katrina naturally has been on the poor and downtrodden. And rightly so. To be fair though, What about the rich and the famous? How are they faring? How has Hurricane Katrina changed their lives? Do they need government assistance? Are they getting government assistance? To really be able to understand everything that has occured we need to know the whole story. I care how the rich are faring but not in the same way I care about how the poor are faring. I want to know if the rich are getting special treatment. Where are they in the rebuilding process? Have they received any money, settlements, insurance, government assistance yet? If so, how were they able to access these services so quickly? What was their course of action? Who did they contact first after the Hurricane? I think knowing the answer to these questions would give us a more detailed and insightful understanding of how our system of government works. Thank you. momztheword.

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I agree and thank you
Posted by: freedomfrBush on Sep 11, 2005 8:38 AM   
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I agree and thank the writers of this column for giving me/us more factual "ammunition" to take to the deaf, dumb, and blind-metaphorically speaking of course. People like my mother and many others who say they are in the middle of this conversation we are all having, expressing our views about Sept. 11, 2001 and Katrina-and how it's been handled. We instinctly know what is wrong. But, many like myself, need the facts when presenting the truth to the indifferent minds around us..the "Oh, I try to stay in the middle of the controversey" types. Either, they are simply dumb, or dont care (how could that be?), or are afraid to express their views. It's been long overdue, that we revive the spirit of the '60's and speak out about the corruption and degradation of our government and leaders. Jump on the bandwagon, folks. Bush and all of his crooked buddys have to go, and soon!
Just think about all the changes, bad ones, that have occured since Bush and his cronies took over. Patriot Act-suspicion and mistrust of our neighbors etc, rolling back the Endangered Species Act, rolling back (now) the pollution standards because of the high cost of gas and the hurricane Katrina, liars like Arnold and the closure of so many Calif schools,,,there's too much to put here. KNOWLEDGE IS THE BEST AMMUNITION that there is, find it and USE IT. Go to sites like Common Dreams, Truth Out, and above all, of course, ALTER NET. Thanks, again Alternet writers.

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One lie that needs to be addressed and fast; is the one about “Responsibility”
Posted by: Kuni on Sep 11, 2005 9:12 AM   
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From the Whitehouse
Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act . . .


The following quotes are from the Fed's NPR.

What happened to being “Proactive”?
(Page 61 of the PDF. Page 43 of the Document)
Proactive Federal Response to Catastrophic Events

Guiding Principles for Proactive Federal Response . . .

. . . Notification and full coordination with States will occur, but the coordination process must not delay or impede the rapid deployment and use of critical resources.

(Page 70 of the PDF. Page 52 of the Document)
In certain emergencies involving Federal primary responsibility, the Stafford Act allows the President to provide emergency assistance without a Governor’s request. Appendix 5 provides an overview of the request process under the Stafford Act.

And let’s not Forget the Annex.
(Page 359 of the PDF. Page 341 of the Document)
A detailed and credible common operating picture may not be achievable for 24 to 48 hours (or longer) after the incident. As a result, response activities must begin without the benefit of a detailed or complete situation and critical needs assessment.

Federal support must be provided in a timely manner to save lives, prevent human suffering, and mitigate severe damage. This may require mobilizing and deploying assets before they are requested via normal NRP protocols.


From the NYT
. . . "I need everything you've got," the governor said she told the president on Monday. "I am going to need all the help you can send me." . . .

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hillstreet
Posted by: hillstreet on Sep 12, 2005 6:00 AM   
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Media Matters and Alternet are both lying when they say that the December 2004 National Response Plan states that the federal government pre-empts state and local.

This is not true and people can look it up for themselves.

Also conservatives never said government does not have a roll.

Are yoiu people stupid or lying.

I mean I am a liberal but you guys are giving liberals a bad name.

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» RE: hillstreet Posted by: oldwoman
A Few Facts
Posted by: davidt on Sep 14, 2005 11:05 PM   
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Can someone explain this to me?

In his first term Bush had a meeting with Gingrich who had a list of targets that he wanted to reduce funding or eliminate altogether. The funds for maintenance, reconstruction of the New Orleans levees was one of those targets. Bush signed off on it and cut the funds that were put in place by Clinton.

By the way, under Clinton FEMA had a good reputation!

Now Bush is criticizing the federal response as unacceptable. And Newtie Sweet Patewtie is criticizing the Governor of Louisiana, a woman and a Democrat.

What did they expect would happen when they cut the funds? Money would fall from the skies after a few prayers? I know that is how it happens in Bush's Biblebrain but in the real world a devastated community faces a greased chute to an early and grisly death!

Maybe the fact that Bill O'Reilled Up, who had to pay off a Fox intern for his sexual advances on her that she taped, and Tush Dimbulb haranging those "druggies who should be in jail" even though he is a junkie who forged prescriptions for Oxycontin & other painkillers are still spewing their bile to a rapt & faithful audience has something to do with it.

This reminds me of a joke:

Bush makes the front pages with pictures of him having sex with a sheep, he then sets the sheep on fire and watches it burn yelling out an exuberant wahoooooo!

Thousands flood the airwaves complaining:

Our President sees a lonely sheep and offers it companionship then he builds a fire to keep it warm. Why do hate our President so much? I am going to cancel my subscription!

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» RE: A Few Facts Posted by: stoney13
rabid invective
Posted by: thisthreadisdumb on Sep 16, 2005 8:21 AM   
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Even with full funding in recent years, none of the flood-control projects would have been completed in time to prevent the swamping of the city, as Democrats yesterday[Sept1] acknowledged.
The Corps of Engineers,has stated that additional money would not have made a difference this week because the defenses of New Orleans were designed to withstand a Category 3 storm, not a Category 4 hurricane such as Katrina. "It was not a funding issue," said Carol Sanders, the chief spokeswoman for the corps. "It's an issue of the design capabilities of these projects."
Michael Parker, former assistant secretary of the Army for civil works, said the culprit is not the president but government-wide resistance to investing long-term in projects such as flood control."You have watched during a period of 72 hours a modern city of New Orleans [become] a Third World country, and it is all because of the disintegration of infrastructure," Parker said. "Everybody is to blame -- it transcends administrations. It transcends party."
Parker said the biggest institutional obstacle to protecting levees and bridges and waterways is the Office of Management and Budget, which has sought to rein in the Corps of Engineers' budget under Bush and predecessors. Critics say the corps sometimes works with lawmakers to secure congressional spending authority on wasteful programs.
Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, the Corps' chief of engineers, denied that funding problems contributed to the crisis in New Orleans. "It is my opinion that based on the intensity of this storm, the flooding of the central business district and the French Quarter would still have occurred. I do not see that the level of funding was really a contributing factor in this case."
Joseph Corrigan, who spent 2002-2004 as the deputy engineer for the Corps' Mobile, Ala., District, stated: "Not all of the levees, particularly in Mississippi and around the country, are federal," he said. "You may have a county or a local levee run by a local levee board, and private levee, and a federal levee that all have to work together, because if you have one fail, it can be disastrous." The coordination process is "excruciatingly difficult," he said, because the expertise and ability of local levee boards varies greatly. He also noted that projects frequently get delayed for years because of conflicts between state and federal agencies and environmental-related litigation.

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