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American Legion Immigration Report Replete With Falsehoods

By Sonia Scherr, Southern Poverty Law Center. Posted August 20, 2008.


America's largest veterans organization has launched a hard-line attack on undocumented immigrants that's at odds with its mainstream image.

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Since its founding nearly 90 years ago, the American Legion has been a fixture of community life. It has hosted Memorial Day parades to remember those who died in America's wars. It has held bingo nights and dances at its 14,000-plus posts worldwide. It has supported thousands of Boy Scout groups, sponsored a baseball program that's produced numerous professional players, and helped children living in poverty or with special needs. From World War II to the war in Iraq, the legion has fought to improve benefits for veterans and their families.

Now, America's largest veterans organization has launched another campaign -- a hard-line attack on undocumented immigrants that's at odds with the legion's mainstream image. As part of this effort, the legion, which purports to speak for 2.7 million members, recently issued a booklet that regurgitates discredited and often completely false information about how "illegals" are bringing crime, disease, and terrorism to this country, even as they wreck the economy for natives.

The legion's 34-page booklet, A Strategy to Address Illegal Immigration in the United States, asserts that "poverty, political instability, disease and war" are "on our back doorstep" because of porous borders and the failure of the government to stringently enforce immigration laws. But in making its case, the legion repeatedly cites dubious sources, ignores well-known facts and makes baseless claims -- such as the false assertion that the undocumented infected more than 7,000 people in America with leprosy during a recent three-year period.

"They're sort of trotting out old tropes to do with immigration," said Richard Wright, a Dartmouth College geography professor who specializes in immigration. "These are hackneyed stereotypes that have no place in a policy document."

That's not all. On April 28, when it released its booklet -- which was actually a repackaged version of a May 2007 legion "white paper" -- the group announced that its campaign would include letters to the editor, news releases from posts around the country, and six 60-second radio spots. These spots revisit some of the nastiest claims in the report, portraying undocumented immigrants as sex offenders, gang members, terrorists and murderers. Remarkably, they are delivered by Richard Fatherly, Kansas City chapter media adviser for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps -- a group whose members President Bush once denounced as "vigilantes."

The Intelligence Report sought comment from the American Legion and was directed to Robert Caudell, assistant director of its Americanism and Children & Youth Division. Caudell requested a detailed list of false or misleading claims, but then declined to address those claims once he had received it. Instead, he E-mailed a general statement pointing to the legion's recommendations to the government and arguing that the Intelligence Report was simply interpreting the same facts and statistics differently than the legion. "It's quite the same when two individuals witness an identical incident," Caudell wrote. "Each has his perspective, his personal assumptions, and often a disparate ability to describe the event."

That's not the way Hispanic veterans organizations see it. Felix Vargas, a retired Army colonel and the director of government relations for the largest such group, American GI Forum, told the Intelligence Report that the booklet was misleading and untruthful and called it a slap in the face to Hispanic legionnaires. "We didn't need this distraction," said Vargas, who served as an Army Ranger and Special Forces commander in Vietnam. "The legion crusade is a disservice to both the veteran community and the nation." Added Eric Rojo, the president of Hispanic War Veterans of America and another retired colonel: "Their position is absurd and ignorant. Someone didn't sit down and check the facts." And John Amaya, a staff attorney at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, noted that 11% of the first 4,000 American casualties in Iraq have been Latinos -- and many of them are the children of undocumented residents of the United States.

The American Legion actually has been engaged with nativist groups for some time. In 2004, its national convention in Nashville, Tenn., featured Dan Stein, leader of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a strident nativist group that opposes both legal and illegal immigration. In March 2007, it held a forum on illegal immigration spotlighting nativist heavyweights like the leaders of NumbersUSA and the Center for Immigration Studies. It has allowed its posts to be used for gatherings of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. And this spring, it gave its "National Commander's Public Relations Award" to CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, who has himself regularly presented false data about immigrants.

At times in its history, the legion has made other forays into nativist politics. In 1937, the legion published A Review of Alien Isms, Revolutionary Communism and their Active Sympathizers in the United States, which linked immigrants to what was seen as the ultimate evil "ism": communism. The book claimed that immigrant children accounted for most of those attending communist summer camps and that other supposedly subversive groups were also heavily populated by immigrants. It demanded enhanced border patrols, immediate deportation of the undocumented and slashing of all immigration quotas by 90%. After World War I, when anti-Asian sentiment was sweeping the country, the legion on the West Coast championed policies that discriminated against Japanese-Americans. This attitude also affected the national legion, whose committee to investigate Asiatic immigration included a Seattle attorney who had served as president of his city's Anti-Japanese League, according to Tom Heuterman's book The Burning Horse.


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Illegal Immigrants = Net Cost Loss
Posted by: zeb on Aug 20, 2008 7:48 AM   
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Liberals, bleeding hearts, anarchists and illegal aliens huggers twist themselves into knots spewing false propaganda that illegal aliens are a benefit to our country and economy. Study after study after study proves just the opposite. Let’s call a spade a spade…illegal aliens are a huge NET COST LOSS to America, an economic drain and burden on our country.

The sooner we build the fence, secure the border, restore lawful order and rationality to our immigration system and deport those who are here illegally, the better off America will be.

Our national immigration policies have to work for the United States. While improving the plight of the world’s poor is a laudable goal, the finite resources we have available to fulfill that goal would be swamped if there wasn’t some orderly and manageable system in place to limit entry into the United States to what this nation can actually support. The more illegal aliens that are permitted to subvert the immigration system, the fewer immigrants we can accommodate who might actually produce a positive benefit for our country.

The more we become a nation of illegal immigrants, the deeper we fall into anarchy.

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» RE: Illegal Immigrants = Net Cost Loss Posted by: Donanobispacem
finer299
Posted by: coloradochick on Aug 20, 2008 9:00 AM   
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First let me say, I believe the booklet is more right than wrong.

Living in a State (CO)that protects ilegal aliens, I say ask yourself, is life better or worse than when the tidalwave of illegal immigration hit our country.

Our schools are overcrowded and education of our children has suffered.

It's almost impossible to get quality healthcare...Medical personnel have an impossible workload by the quantity of patients going through the system, many non-paying.

Those trying to dispute these facts are open-border advocates and will go to any lengths to do away with our sovereignty and Constitution!!!

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» RE: finer299 Posted by: Crazy H
» Crazy H, your name says it all Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: finer299 Posted by: Tombo
This article is wrong.
Posted by: Evola on Aug 20, 2008 9:44 AM   
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All one has to do is live in a sanctuary city for a while and you can see that the American Legion's stats are right. It is in the SPLC's best interest to keep the public calm about what is going on.

A friend of mine in LA had a strange case of food poisoning that was directly traced to the kitchen staff at a restaurant. It was a strain of jardia that is common in Central and South America.

Multiculturalism and mass immigration is a social failure for the West. We will never get employment or universal health insurance from our government as long as we continue with this mass 3rd World immigration.

The Left is really ruining this for us.

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» RE: Your post is funny. Posted by: Crazy H
» And the article is right! Posted by: JakobFabian01
The SPLC
Posted by: countingdaisies on Aug 20, 2008 2:07 PM   
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Another zionist organization . . . part of the plan.

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» RE: The SPLC Posted by: MdeG
» RE: The SPLC Posted by: emmas
» RE: The SPLC Posted by: gzuckier
» RE: The SPLC Posted by: Tombo
Truth!
Posted by: MdeG on Aug 21, 2008 11:03 AM   
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I am familiar with quite a lot of the sources SPLC is citing. They're telling the truth.

The American Legion should be ashamed of itself for publishing such tripe.

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Real Crime Statistics
Posted by: Durendal55 on Aug 21, 2008 11:26 AM   
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Once again the Sampson study about how ALL Immigrants have a lower crime rate than U.S. Citizens gets quoted. Does no one ever read the methodology of these studies? Legal Immigrants in the U.S. outnumber Illegal Immigrants by about 3.5 to 1. Since the Sampson Study was conducted on ALL Immigrants the statistics for Legal Immigrants wash out the statistics for Illegal Immigrants.

If you bring in data from 2005 (the last year of available data) from the Justice Department, the Census Bureau, and the Department of Homeland Security you find out what the real picture is. At that time an estimated 10.5 million Illegal Immigrants were living in the U.S. The number of prisoners under the jurisdiction of the Federal or State Adult Correctional Authorities at that time was about 2,184,000. Per the New York Times at least 270,000 Illegal Immigrants were incarcerated in 2005 and this was during “catch and release” so the incarcerations were primarily for non immigration related crimes. Our total Citizen and Legal Resident population in the U.S. was 288,280,000 people, of whom 254,037,000 were native born and 34,243,000 were foreign born. That makes an incarceration for Illegal Immigrants of 1 in 39 people. Meanwhile for the Native Born the incarceration rate was about 1 in 133 people. That also means that the incarceration rate for Legal Immigrants was almost zero, just at Sampson said.

Sampson proves only that our current Legal Immigration system works just great at selecting the most law-abiding to be Legal Immigrants. YEAH FOR LEGAL IMMIGRANTS! WE LOVE YOUR LAW ABIDING NATURE! Sampson was very right about LEGAL Immigrants! But very wrong to include ILLEGAL Immigrants in his conclusions as their incarceration rate is 3.4 times higher than for U.S. Citizens.

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» RE: eal Crime Statistics Posted by: MdeG
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» RE: eal Crime Statistics Posted by: MdeG
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» RE: eal Crime Statistics Posted by: note2self
» RE: eal Crime Statistics Posted by: Durendal55
» RE: eal Crime Statistics Posted by: note2self
» RE: eal Crime Statistics Posted by: Durendal55
What Hurts US Workers
Posted by: Durendal55 on Aug 21, 2008 11:47 AM   
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Obviously the person who wrote this article read the study "Immigration and Wealth", which lies behind the claim that Illegal Immigrants do not hurt the U.S. Worker. If you look at the detail behind the American Majority analysis you can easily see the weakness of their study. The Majority of states in their "High Immigrant States" have had strong economies for many years - long before Illegal Immigration was a problem. The Majority of the "Low Immigrant States" have been having economic problems for years. The "Low Immigrant States" have such economic non-powerhouses as the "rust belt" states, the Dakota's, Wyoming, Montana and such. Whereas the "High Immigrant States" include such places as California, New York, Illinois and other such economic powerhouses. So which came first, the immigrant or the strong economy? The answer is the strong economy, which in turn drew immigrants. To complicate matters, based on government published statistics, close to 70% of the Immigrants under study in this analysis are LEGAL IMMIGRANTS whose admittance to this country is controlled so as to encourage said Immigrants to locate where people are needed to fill growing economies. At best, this study proves that controlled immigration works. And it really has little to say about Illegal Immigrants and how they hurt the U.S. Worker.

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» RE: What Hurts US Workers Posted by: note2self
» RE: What Hurts US Workers Posted by: Durendal55
» RE: What Hurts US Workers Posted by: note2self
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» RE: What Hurts US Workers Posted by: Durendal55
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Who Is Hurt & How Benefits Are Gained
Posted by: Durendal55 on Aug 21, 2008 12:05 PM   
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From 'Immigration and Race' By Steve Bailey, The Boston Globe, February 8, 2008:

"And the preponderance of evidence indicates that the flood of illegal immigrants has hurt those on the bottom of the economic ladder most, blacks in particular and probably even American-born Hispanics."

From 'Illegal Immigrants Are Voting in American Elections' by Hans A. von Spakovsky, August 4th 2008:

"On the benefit side of the equation, a voter registration card is an easily obtainable document—they are routinely issued without any checking of identification—that an illegal alien can use for many different purposes, including obtaining a driver's license, qualifying for a job, and even voting... How aliens view the importance of this benefit was illustrated by the work of a federal grand jury in 1984 that found large numbers of aliens regis­tered to vote in Chicago. As the grand jury reported, many aliens "register to vote so that they can obtain documents identifying them as U.S. citizens" and have "used their voters' cards to obtain a myriad of benefits, from social security to jobs with the Defense Department." The U.S. Attorney at the time estimated that there were at least 80,000 illegal aliens registered to vote in Chicago..."

Sanctuary City Policies make it impossible for voter registration people and Police to find out about immigration status.

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Minor Economic Effect?
Posted by: Durendal55 on Aug 21, 2008 4:57 PM   
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In the July 2008 Federal U.S.B.L.S. Unemployment Report they list two categories of unemployment. The first is the one publicized on the news. It is 5.7% or 8.8 million people unemployed. The second is rarely reported in the news and includes those the government designated as “discouraged but still want to work”. This group currently numbers 5.0 million. So including our “discouraged” unemployed we now have an effective 8.6% unemployment rate and there are really 13.8 million out of work U.S. Citizens and Legal Residents who want to work versus about 7.2 million jobs currently held by Illegal Immigrants who have no legal standing to hold those jobs (statistics courtesy of the U.S. Social Security Admin., the U.S.D.H.S., and the Pew Center).

Effectively we currently pay two people to do one job. We pay Illegal Immigrant to work and we pay Unemployment and Welfare to the U.S. Citizen that the Illegal Immigrant caused to be unemployed. Per U.S. Gov. Statistics unemployment pays the equivalent of $7.00 to $13.00 per hour depending on State ($14,000 and $26,000 per year). Add in an average of about $2,700 welfare payments, multiply by 7.2 million, then assume that only two thirds of the unemployed actually get this and the net cost is $100 billion per year or $700 per year to each working American in taxes.

And with almost twice as many Unemployed as we have working Illegal Immigrants it is easy to see that the amount of money working Illegal Immigrants contribute to Social Security and Tax collections pales in comparison to that paid to Americans who are not working thanks to Illegal Immigrants. In fact a recent study placed the Tax and Social Security contributions of Illegal Immigrants at only $9 billion.

Per a recent study by George Borjas, Illegal Immigrants have depressed wages by 8% in the unskilled and craft labor market - construction, material handling, farm labor, food processing, cleaning, etc. Per the Pew Center, Illegal Immigrants make up less than 20% of the workforce across all these professions. Therefore we have about 29 million Americans ((7.2 million/20%)-7.2 million) who have seen their wages fall by 8% or about $2000+ per year assuming their wages average $25,000 per year. This amounts to a $58 billion loss in spending power for our lower paid hard working fellow Citizens.

Considering the size of the U.S. Economy 28 million Americans loosing $58 billion in spending power is a relatively “minor” effect. And a $700 per worker increase in taxes is small potatoes compared to the average income – unless you used to use that money to pay for things like health insurance. Then it suddenly becomes a very big deal. The vast majority of our uninsured citizens fall into this category.

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» RE: Minor Economic Effect? Posted by: countingdaisies
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Real crime statistics
Posted by: MdeG on Aug 22, 2008 11:51 AM   
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Durendal55: I am going to put this in a new message, to get it out from under the pile of other commentary.

A good statistical report on immigrants in the prison population was issued by the Immigration Policy Center in March 2008, "Immigrants and crime: setting the record straight." You can find it at http://www.immigrationpolicy.org /images/File/factcheck/ImmigrantsandCrime03-08.pdf

Synopsis: Immigration offenses are all federal offenses. Anyone who's incarcerated for an immigration offense is put in federal jail. Federal prisoners account for 8% of the national prison population. GAO's figure that 27% of occupants of federal prisons are "criminal aliens" is counting all non-citizens, including those who had legal status. (As note2self points out, minor civil infractions can result in loss of status.)

Incarceration rates for immigrants are lower than for the native-born. Undocumented immigrants do not commit criminal infractions at a greater rate than authorized immigrants or the native-born.

The paper contains links to both the 2005 GAO study that is the usual source for % of immingrants in federal prisons, and to several other sources. Do by all means go and read.

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» RE: eal crime statistics Posted by: MdeG
» Show us the evidence! Posted by: JakobFabian01
» RE: Show us the evidence! Posted by: Durendal55
» Wrong Posted by: dudelette
von Spakovsky
Posted by: MdeG on Aug 22, 2008 12:00 PM   
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IPC has a review of the evidence of voting by non-citizens at http://www.immigrationpolicy.org /images/File/factcheck/HeritageReport07-08.pdf

The evidence basically isn't there. They do a pretty good sendup of the Heritage Foundation report, pointing out that the author confesses "there is no reliable method to determine the number of non-citizens registered or actually voting." Recent conviction rate is 8 people per year nationwide, of whom about half were non-citizens.

Many of the problems actually stem from the government's taking an unacceptably long time to update its databases to reflect new citizenship status. I hear an echo of the chorus "But we **love** legal immigrants ..."

The likely motive behind von S' campaign is to prevent poor and elderly voters from casting ballots -- they're the most likely not to have birth certificates, and they also tend to vote Democratic. Hmmm. Any connection?

IPC's paper is amply footnoted, if you have any questions about sources of information.

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Must Go
Posted by: Durendal55 on Aug 22, 2008 6:02 PM   
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Sorry but I must go and will not be back soon. Good wishes to all!

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I know some Legionaires
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 23, 2008 10:33 PM   
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They fought for their country. They deserve our honor and respect ... for that alone. Many I've met are filled with a meanness and are racist or sexist. To a man they believed the swiftboat lies that impugned one of their own, John Kerry, which I saw as ironic, since it was Kerry's attacks on them post-Vietnam which they considered the greatest offense. So, do as I say, not as I do.

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Some people STILL not getting it
Posted by: Dboy on Aug 25, 2008 12:39 AM   
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America's largest veterans organization has launched a hard-line attack on undocumented immigrants that's at odds with its mainstream image.

Border protection and national sovereignty ARE mainstream. It's the pro-illegal immigration people who are out of the mainstream on this issue. This is NOT the same 20 people on Alternet always posting against illegal immigration, all I see are NEW people posting THIS time. We have seen what happened in the UK after their unfortunate influx of muslims. We have seen what has happened in LA over the past 20 years. We DONT want the rest of American to turn into a LA-style cesspool. That very much IS a mainstream opinion, and something that Right and Left (and further right and further left) can all agree on. Look at the postings here! This is generally a liberal/progressive website, and yet the opinions overwhelmingly favor national sovereignty and are against an invasion by illegal aliens. Alternet's position on this issue is very clear, however it is wrong. The Mexican population are for the North American Union, and want to see our border fall. Americans don't want it, and Canadians don't want it. It's up to us to pressure the federal government to provide proper border security. Because if they won't do it then private groups are going to have to do the job for them. It would be better to get the job done through official means.

dboy

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I am a Liberal Illgeal Aliens are a cancer
Posted by: HBoyer on Aug 25, 2008 4:05 AM   
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The American Legion is right to take a stand against ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Just think if we closed our borders to ILLEGAL ALIENS we would not be having this discussion.

But corporate greed and the rich want slaves and peasants to serve them. Who better than ILLEGAL ALIENS. Since SLAVERY IS ABOLISHED IN the USA.

I live in Texas, if you want to see the destruction ILLEGAL ALIENS bring to a state come and visit. Low wages, jails full, hospitals bankrupt, poor state services.

But the rich in Texas love all these servants, just ask them.

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» You are NOT a liberal Posted by: Rosasharn
It's not that complicated
Posted by: Brez on Aug 25, 2008 4:45 AM   
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Everyone else in the world can't live here. It doesn't matter that, for good reason, a lot of them don't want to - a lot of them do.

Given the above true postulate, logic requires a border, and that said border be regulated. Regulation is done by law.

Everyone still with me? OK, fine. Enforce the law. Allow legal immigration. Proscribe illegal immigration.

As to those who say we can't round up all the illegal aliens, you are right. We can't nor, unless we want to create another huge fascist republican powerocracy, should we. Just jail employers who employ illegals as felons and provide bus or plane (for H-1B's) tickets home for all who want them.

And yeah, the price of lettuce will go up a quarter a head - unless the price of oil keeps dropping.

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» Finally, some Sanity Posted by: Rosasharn
Hooray for the American Legion!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 25, 2008 6:48 AM   
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All I can say is: "Hooray for the American Legion!"

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» SICK RACISTS Posted by: Rosasharn
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» RE: SICK RACISTS Posted by: MdeG
What's up with this? Just doesn't seem fathomable - misconstrued again!
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 25, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Who besides the Native Indians legally belong in this country anyway, other than these indigenous peoples there are no legal immigrants!!!

If we're not happy with the so called illegal Mexican immigrants, why not give all of their land back that was stolen from them???

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blaming the victim
Posted by: cwjanack on Aug 25, 2008 8:57 AM   
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People would not come here if they had decent jobs at home. Would people risk death crossing a hostile border if they did not feel they had to? I think not. It is in the interest of corporate America that illegal aliens come here. CEOs can pay below poverty wages and mistreat their labor force, all without accountability. Government, local and federal, run for and by big business, benefits in multiple ways. They have their cheap labor that cannot complain nor unionize. And they can keep all labor costs down because of the "competition." When the border patrol raids a plant they truck the illegals out the front door, and waiting at the back door is another bus load. The workers are punished; the employer suffers not even an hour's lost production. Many of the posted comments take pot shots at "bleeding heart Liberals," which is certainly in vogue today. But such attacks are without justification as the root of the problem is abundant profit for CEOs and other ultra-rich elite Republicans. Blaming the illegal immigrants is much like blaming the rape victim for the rape.

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The True Heart of the American Legion
Posted by: Hachino on Aug 25, 2008 12:38 PM   
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I feel I must respond to this article as The American Legion is an organization which my family has had deep ties to. My grandparents, Eleanor and Louis Wood, served as presidents of the organization for 30 years and have been among it's leadership for nearly half of its existence. Many of the finest programs sponsored by the Legion have been the realization of their dreams and hard work. The recent rightist leanings and political character of the Legion is far away from and unrecognizable as the organization I have spent much of my life close to.

I must state for the record, for them and their memories, that these kinds of developments within the Legion are highly disturbing and lack the character and spirit which my grandparents struggled for decades to bequeath to the organization. They ran several charitable organizations and did much in their communities to foster good will and tolerance among all Americans, especially those who have worn the various military uniforms of the United States with honor and service to their fellow man and this country in their hearts.

When I read or hear of reports like this coming from the Legion, an organization built with such care and hard work from my family, I can hear the weeping of my grandmother for the current state of affairs infecting the Legion. Their dream was for an organization which held as its primary focus helping veterans and their families. Many of the brave soldiers who have fought and died for our country, it's flag, and most importantly it's spirit of freedom and empowerment of the individual have been newly arrived Americans, many of them not yet citizens. This spirit of selfless giving to a nation which for many new arrivals, has not yet had a chance to give it's true promise to them is something I would love to see again infect the heart of the American Legion and infuse and inform it's activities.

I am sorry to say that in it's current state my family and I see the Legion as an organization which has lost it's way and become out of touch with the true spirit of America, and the calling many hear to service it's shining promise. Indeed, in it's current state the Legion has become a stain on my family name and memory. I call on all members of the American Legion to look within their hearts and find a way to steer the organization back to it's true roots of service for all Americans, regardless of their political leanings, wealth, or military status.

Only then will the tears of my grandparents cease to flow and be replaced instead by the spirit of love, charity, hard work, openness, tolerance, and forgiveness which they left as the spirit at the helm of the organization they gave so much of their lives to.

Respectfully,
Philip M. Wood Jr.
San Francisco

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Disconnect Between Alternet and its Reader?
Posted by: justthetruth on Aug 25, 2008 12:54 PM   
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I cannot help but wonder why there is such a huge disconnect between the Alternet editorial staff and their readers over the issue of illegal immigration. Albeit that Alternet continues to promote an open borders/pro-illegal immigrant policy, its readership is quite clearly adopting the opposite point of view as evidenced by the majority of comments following each article. Indeed, this has been a growing trend over the past year.

One must consider the possibility that unbeknownst to Alternet, some of these articles have been written under the hidden sponsorship of organizations with an agenda that is not egalitarian. It is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility for an organization such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to take advantage of the empathy that many Alternet readers have toward illegal immigrants so that corporate America can exploit them as a source of cheap labor.

I think that Alternet and its readers would benefit from a candid and open debate about this issue that fully illustrates both the pros and the cons. Hopefully, the debate would feature references for the facts in support of each argument.

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Denial: it's not just a river in Egypt
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Aug 25, 2008 12:55 PM   
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No matter how much they may wish it to be true, the refusal of some writers to acknowledge the harm done to our society by illegal aliens is just an attempt to whitewash the facts, IMO. As a resident of one of the border states, I can tell you that illegal aliens do create tremendous problems for the cities that they settle into.

They often work for cash, "under the table", and thus pay few taxes. They send billions of dollars home, which takes that money out of our economy. They overload our public schools with their non-English speaking children, who also get free meals. They encourage others of their ethnic/linguistic group not to learn English by simply creating a large group of people who hang onto their home language and often don't learn English at all. They drive our border hospitals toward bankruptcy by using the emergency rooms for minor illnesses, then walk away from the bills. They may steal the identities of US citizens by using their Social Security numbers illegally. Some go all the way into identity theft, and can cause untold harm to innocent Americans that can take years to work out. At the very least, with two or more people using the same SS number, the real American could end up being totally messed up when it comes time to retire.

In short, illegal aliens cause more trouble than they are worth. We should make it as impossible as we can to get a job, even as a lawn cutter, without a valid SSN. The E-verify program could be very useful here, but maybe we need a tamper-proof biometric national ID. Whatever works. If illegals can't get work, they will have little reason to come here. And employers of illegal aliens should be punished, not given a free pass as they are now.

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Old Racist is more like it
Posted by: Rosasharn on Aug 25, 2008 5:06 PM   
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Enough said.

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I don't get it
Posted by: allUneedislove on Aug 26, 2008 6:47 AM   
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Are some of you saying that Alternet is beholden to some perceived majority opinion? Oh please.

I am thankful that there are some places where I can read thoughtful discourses on immigration as opposed to the virulent anti-immigration rhetoric.

When I toured Dachau, I was struck by the historical evidence that Germany's early Nazi rhetoric was essentially the same anti-immigration "logic" that I am hearing in the US today. Please take a moment to reflect on this.

There is nothing more important about being liberal, to my point of view, than being humanitarian. This doesn't mean looking out for ourselves first.

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So Sad
Posted by: Yam on Aug 26, 2008 9:36 AM   
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That our system is based on greed. Despite the apparent need to secure our borders, I doubt there will be much enforcement because illegal immigrants make too much money for the corporations. It's a shame that the American Corporations care more about making $$ than about how this trend is affecting their American citizen workers. What is a bigger shame is the illegals don't realize they are being 'got' as well. I say we create harsher punishments for corporate offenders...and encourage citizens to report if they know that illegals are being taken advantage of, to the proper authorities. I realize this is not a complete answer, but it may make companies think 2-3 times before knowingly hiring an illegal.

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American Legion is not...
Posted by: Halaby on Aug 26, 2008 2:33 PM   
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The American Legion is not a veteran's organization, nor is it mainstream. It was founded during the Red Scare to bust unions, destroy WW I pacifists and war resistors, and destroy the radical left. Local halls often had arsenals which they were not shy of using against IWW members and strikers.

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Hit men kill 5 in Juarez
Posted by: Dboy on Aug 26, 2008 10:22 PM   
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Today (Aug 26 2008):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080826/wl_nm/mexico_drugs_dc


As I mentioned in another post (probably the one that whats-his-name the Alternet cop deleted above), there's a drug war raging on the US/Mexican border right now. If you think that it won't spread to the US side you're dreaming. A few years ago we had Mexicans shooting at campers & kayaks at Big Bend National Park, we've had tunnels under the border dug by the drug gangs...this is much more than JUST illegal immigration.

dboy

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» RE: Hit men kill 5 in Juarez Posted by: gzuckier
no illegal immigration=racist?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 27, 2008 6:40 AM   
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Why does opposition to ILLEGAL immigration automatically get you labeled a racist by so many on the Left? I don't see the connection.

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The blame game again!!
Posted by: larazzafilms on Aug 27, 2008 6:59 AM   
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It is so fashionable for us to point the fingure at what we feelthreated by orfear or don't understand? Look the bottom line is, we have all been lazy thinkers all along. Republicans,Dem....blah blah blah! America we are no longer a shiny star and lets not pass the buck onto our immigrant population, as we know many don't even have the access to properly defend themselves. We are bullies and it is always easiest to blame the weakest in the survior of the fittest American mentality. Many of the negative comments about otherhuman beings are out of touch and very generalized. I see too many falsely complianing and no one taking responsability for the position in which this country now stands. I happen to know that "Intelligance" has much to do with the outcomes in which we are all in and the directions inwhich our country could be heading in. But back on ground level where most of us exsist and function in....When casting your needed vote again, please this time take the efforts and timeyou have wasted complianing and research your electing vote nominee to prevent further confusion and adding to the lack of taking responsibility. These are the wisest words one can hopefully reach you with.
DPH

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Note2self - New York Times Incarceration Data
Posted by: Durendal55 on Aug 27, 2008 7:42 AM   
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You indicated that you were interested in knowing the source of the New York Times figure 270,000 Illegal Immigrants in Federal, State, and Local prisons in 2005. I may know the answer. On April 7, 2005 the United States Government Accountability Office published a memorandum entitled 'Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails'. In that memorandum it stated that there are 48,708 Criminal Aliens incarcerated in Federal Prisons; 74,000 Criminal Aliens incarcerated in State Prisons; and 147,000 Criminal Aliens incarcerated in Local Jurisdictions for a total of 269,708 incarcerated Criminal Aliens.

There are two problems with this data. First, it only includes Criminal Aliens that the Federal Government pays at least some of the cost of incarceration. So the Criminal Alien population is actually larger than 270,000. Second, this figure includes Legal Immigrants who have been stripped of their citizenship or legal status because of the crimes they have committed.

I hope this sheds more light on the situation than it provides confusion.

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is that our Community Peace Officers beat fellow UNION ORGANIZERS
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 29, 2008 9:54 AM   
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at protests.

then they want a union raise for their police services.

???

whah??

its OUR OWN FAULTS that we do not educate the local police on how WE are the community they are sworn to protect...

not the corporations that whisper in the ears of their politicians...

or their 'political' police supervisors who love those cool new 'SWAT' toys they get from the military-industrial complex....

but they never spend any real money on CIVIL RIGHTS or NON-VIOLENT CONFLICT RESOLUTION skills training...

THAT is the problem.

when we teach our local boards, committees & political animals that WE are THEIR NEIGHBOURS & THEIR SWORN COMMUNITY for which they represent...

then we'll see change.


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not too worry
Posted by: gzuckier on Sep 2, 2008 1:22 PM   
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sure, people from other countries come to the US, often illegally, in an attempt to find a good job and make a good future for themselves and their families, and/or to escape repression at home; but the same folks who are defending against the immigrants are also taking the long range view; supporting the current administration's plans to eliminate good jobs in America and ship as many as possible to third world countries, as well as increasing repression within the US to the point where there will be a net efflux of Spanish speakers southwards across the border.

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