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When Riding the Bus Turns into a Ticket to Jail

By Caroline Kim and Jenna Loyd, ColorLines. Posted June 23, 2008.


Border Patrol agents are checking the citizenship status of travelers passing through by bus and train every day in New York, deporting immigrants.
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In December 2007, Artemio and two of his friends were traveling by bus through Syracuse, New York on their way to their homes in Mexico. Rather than celebrating Christmas with their families, however, the three men were arrested by immigration agents at a bus station. They were then detained at a county jail before being transferred to the ICE facility in Batavia, New York, and eventually deported to Mexico.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection, also known as the Border Patrol, confirms that its agents in Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo check the citizenship status of travelers passing through by bus and train every day. These three cities are within 100 miles of the US-Canadian border. But more important than the border zone is the location of these cities on a major transportation corridor linking the Northeast (New York City and Boston) with the Midwest (Cleveland and Chicago). Border Patrol agents use Syracuse's location as the functional equivalent of the border to police people traveling within the interior of the country.

Agents check for citizenship in the bus and train station -- often waiting at the Greyhound ticket counter, or watching people as they disembark for food -- and onboard buses and trains already filled with passengers. People who have witnessed or been subject to Border Patrol agents questioning describe two practices: agents explicitly target a group of people or ask everyone on board about their citizenship status.

According to reports from the Detainment Task Force, a Northern New York group, people routinely singled out for questioning include those who appear to be Mexican, Central American, South Asian, Asian, Afro-Caribbean, or Middle Eastern. Border Patrol officials deny that the agency racially profiles, insisting that they look for suspicious behaviors and, "question people with blond hair and blue eyes as much as anyone else." But common understandings of race in the U.S. fuse nationality and ethnicity so that some groups are permanently deemed to be "foreign."

The story of Tomas, who is from Guatemala, illustrates the ways in which law enforcement's use of racial profiling -- and the collaboration of local law enforcement with Border Patrol agents -- impedes people's ability to travel.

In July 2007, Tomas and his friend Salvador were driving to a doctor's appointment. As they pulled out of the toll plaza from the I-90 throughway in Syracuse, a state trooper stopped them. Tomas has a valid U.S. driver's license and a properly registered vehicle. The state trooper gave no indication of why he had stopped the vehicle, but he did ask Tomas and Salvador about their immigration status and then called Border Patrol agents. "The police officer stopped us because we have Hispanic faces," Tomas said.

Tomas has had the same experience traveling by bus. Last October he was traveling to Syracuse on Greyhound when Border Patrol agents boarded the bus at the Rochester bus station. "The Border Patrol agents questioned all the Hispanic, Middle Eastern and Asian passengers," he recalled. "They did not question any of the white passengers except some women who were wearing veils. Border Patrol had dogs with them and checked the whole bus. They even looked in the bathroom."

A separate incident occurred in December when Tomas was at the Syracuse bus station with another friend. They were speaking to each other in Spanish as they approached the ticket counter where a Border Patrol agent was stationed. "As soon as the Border Patrol agent heard us speaking Spanish, he asked me for my papers," he said.


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Caroline Kim and Jenna Loyd are members of the Syracuse-based Detainment Task Force.

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Posted by: ArtemInox on Jun 23, 2008 1:16 AM   
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What else are they supposed to do? Are these agents not tasked to do exactly what they are doing? Cops are typically racist, it's a symptom of a much larger problem that isn't going away anytime soon, and has very little to do with persecution of illegal aliens.

Real cute how the author put "immigrants".

People here legally don't get deported most of the time. Yeah I know, but the country was settled some time ago, times have changed.

What I would be interested in knowing is why no real measures are taken to prevent illegals from coming in, places where it can be done.

Another one of those insoluble problems for us to jabber on and feel outraged about, I suppose. I'll get my bag of fist shaking and angst out now.

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» RE: No suggestions? Posted by: desidid
They are not "deporting immigrants"
Posted by: willie.horton on Jun 23, 2008 3:42 AM   
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They are deporting criminals who have broken the law by coming to, or staying in, the United States without a valid visa. For real immigrants, this is an important distinction.

The many millions of people who have become American citizens and permanent residents -- including most of our ancestors -- are "immigrants."

People who have entered illegally, or overstayed their visas, are "criminals."

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» RE: They are not "deporting immigrants" Posted by: republicanwriter
Criminals no longer safe and secure on the buses? What next?
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jun 23, 2008 4:18 AM   
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You gotta love these Alternet article titles. Of course the arguments will be made that these immigration authorities are racist because they deport so many Latinos. In other news, the people of Nigeria elected a black president.

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This article is very misleading.....the Peace Bridge.....
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Jun 23, 2008 5:30 AM   
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....connects Buffalo NY to Canada. I'm forty four years old and have been going up to Canada via the Peace Bridge......or the Rainbow Bridge in the Falls for my entire lifetime.
They ask EVERYONE in a vehicle their citizenship EVERY TIME you cross the border. No one person or vehicle is singled out. They've been doing this since I was a boy......long before the word terrorism was in our common vocabulary.

The practice of singling out a vehicle for more detail inspection has also been standard procedure.......and was always more of a quota than profiling. I'm sure today, profiling is a big part of a more detail inspection.........but what are agents supposed to do???

People in law enforcement have to profile.......it's impossible not to.
Of course, it should be done with as much dignity and haste as possible.



Allstar Cookie

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What should they do?
Posted by: ankhet on Jun 23, 2008 5:33 AM   
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They're doing their job. If they're asking everybody, then it's not 'racial profiling', is it? This approach is a little intrusive, but as long as people aren't being roughed up and their human rights are respected, it should be ok.

The issue is also somewhat muddied, isn't it? And I think it's being muddied on purpose. Don't people have to apply for immigrant status, no matter where they're from? Aren't there months of paperwork, doctor's appointments, and waiting time before immigrant status is granted? Isn't that normal? Why then is it acceptable for Mexicans and Central Americans to be in the country without the relevant papers? Why do those illegals demand the rights of citizens, healthcare, and education?

Could it be that someone is actually benefiting from the illegal status of the southerners? Though not the only transgressors, Smithfield-Tyson comes to mind - low pay, no health and safety standards, no benefits, worked half to death in the factory or as cleaning staff, and on payday - the Immigration Police rounds everybody up! That's the pattern; that's the evil. The wealthy and industrialists are the people who benefit from this "crime". They somehow never get arrested for breaking the law in hiring illegals and violating human rights.

I'd keep my eye on the day and time of the bus round-ups - after work hours and on payday.

America must push to get rid of NAFTA and all the other AFTA's that are messing up the lives of people south of the Rio Grande. Bringing back unions will also help protect you from the practice of abusing illegals.

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why the fuss?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 23, 2008 6:31 AM   
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Sounds like they're doing their job, to me. Enforcing the law against people who are here illegally, who knowingly broke the law.

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Too Easy
Posted by: Axiom69 on Jun 23, 2008 6:48 AM   
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I am all for securing the borders. Not because of Mexicans coming here to look for a better life but because of terrorists coming here to destroy that life. The fix to illegal immigration seems simple enough. Figure out how many people come here illegally each year and make that amount of work visa's available. That way everyone is legal and paying their part in taxes. Then secure the border with a physical or electronic fence to prevent terrorists and smugglers from sneaking in. Too easy. Yes I know it's a little simplistic and there are other factors involved but the basic concept will work. The reason this won't be done is because big buisness wants the cheap labor without paying a living wage or health benefits. The politicians are owned by big buisness so this country will not see any real change in the current immigration policy. That's why the Border Patrol has been woefully under staffed and under funded for decades.

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An Issue of Civil Liberties
Posted by: EKSwitaj on Jun 23, 2008 7:06 AM   
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If you believe in civil liberties, then you should have a problem with cops skulking bus stations to demand IDs. Travel within the US is not supposed to require papers, remember?

If you believe in civil liberties, then you should have a problem with people showing their papers and still being detained and subjected to interrogation.

Why do these violations become acceptable when they're done in the name of uncovering immigrants who lack legal papers?

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» RE: An Issue of Civil Liberties Posted by: john mont
Investigative reporting
Posted by: L.A.Lynn on Jun 23, 2008 7:29 AM   
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I had a friend, a few years ago, from Poland who had overstayed her visa. She was questioned on a bus in upstate NY. She was detained, and eventually deported. She's white, light brown hair with blue eyes. Was she upset? Yes! It was an incredible hardship for her. She didn't have advocates writing for her though. These writers are prejudiced against anyone who doesn't have brown skin. She's now on a waiting list for citizenship.

What research have these journalists done to prove only certain ethnic types are questioned? Why, they were TOLD by Tomas , Artemio, and the Detainment Task Force -- all have stakes in making that point. It is amazing what passes for investigative reporting these days. I have a friend from El Salvador who told me twenty years ago that Latinos think Americans are suckers. Think I could write an article and get national publication from that story? I'd think there was something seriously wrong with journalistic standards, but given the depth of real investigation on these stories on immigration maybe that's just the problem.

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» RE: Investigative reporting Posted by: Old Skeptic
A hablo el Espanol es peligro de vez en cuando
Posted by: 8 nontheist on Jun 23, 2008 7:29 AM   
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I'm a very pale skinned American. I was born in the USA before WW II. I speak both English & Spanish. Often people who speak English only think that everybody who is speaking Spanish is talking about them.
When I'm speaking with Spanish speaking friends in Spanish, we get dirty looks. My favorite move is telling a monol-lingual English speaker who asks to speak English is to reply in English. "It took me a lot of time & hard work to learn Spanish; if you don't like it when I speak Spanish to my friends, that's tough.". When the monolingual American hears me speaking English with a US southern accent, they look very confused.
Cops are a trip. When they speak to me in Spanish or English, I reply in my Dixie, English drawl. I make sure to say "Yes, sir or yes, mam" Often I carry my US passport & show it to a cop who hassles me for speaking Spanish. Cops act astounded when I show them my passport which shows that I was born in the mid-west & my pocket sized laminated copy of my birth certificate & start speaking English to them in my slow Dixie drawl. I was raised in N Fla & stayed there till I got a job in Miami. Miami, Fla is now the northern most suburb of Havana, San Juan & Caracas.
I now live up north but still speak Spanish among my Spanish speaking associates. The manager of my bank's local branch & I do business in Spanish. Spanish is commonly used in business up north too.
Nace un gringo pero no hay nada deraho que dice hablar Ingles solamente.

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"Hispanic faces"? In NY state, usually Puerto Rican of course
Posted by: war_on_tara on Jun 23, 2008 7:45 AM   
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This article seems like a load of b.s. to me. Nobody in upstate New York stereotypes "Hispanic faces" that way.

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Immigration agents in Mexico also stop buses to check papers
Posted by: SD on Jun 23, 2008 8:17 AM   
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What's the big deal with checking everyone's ID on a bus? Or with only checking those who appear to be foreign (including how well they speak English)? As long as people are treated respectfully, the goverment has a right to verify that immigration laws are being obeyed. My only concern is the citizens (and others with the legal right to be in the country)who aren't carrying papers and are mis-identified as "illegal immigrants."

I am an American who is a legal immigrant living in Mexico. Over the years, I have never been asked to show my immigration papers anyplace other than while travelling on a bus (or when entering or leaving the country, of course). But I fully recognize that it is the Mexican government's right to ask me at any time because I am a guest in this country.

In the "interior" of Mexico, buses typically aren't stopped, but when approaching either border (but before reaching the 18 mile zone where Americans don't need tourist permits), buses are repeated stopped. I have had to show my papers dozens of times. Sometimes they check everyone's papers, but typically they just come straight to me (light skinned, blond hair, blue eyes) and to anyone else who speaks Spanish with a non-Mexican accent. Eventually people without papers are detained and the bus goes on without them. Everyone on the bus knows the drill, and we are all delayed at each stop.

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» question for SD- Posted by: ptown
t.mc
Posted by: t.mc on Jun 23, 2008 10:30 AM   
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Riding a bus does not lead to deportation. Being in this (or nearly any other) country ILLEGALLY is FINALLY leading to deportation. U.S. population is increasing roughly five million annually. 90% of this increase is related to immigration. 50% of the 90% is related to ILLEGAL immigration. Taxes paid by these 2+ million ILLEGALS come nowhere near the expense incurred by working Americans for their being here (e.g., the high costs of 'quality' education, hospitalization, energy consumption, etc.. There are also the issues of crime and the uncontrollable potential for terrorism). In their own countries, the vast number of these people are fine citizens. When they cross another country's border without invitation, they are lawbreakers. Just as Americans are lawbreakers when we cross into foreign countries without authorization. Immigration agents must certainly botch up their responsibilities too often, but if they are working toward being respectful and professional while making difficult and sensitive decisions, I support and applaud their willingness to serve all of us in this manner.

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Driving while Black
Posted by: PaulK on Jun 23, 2008 12:04 PM   
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The black community objects to being pulled over again and again, sometimes on trumped-up charges which stick, so the police can casually look for drug deals. Numbers of pro athletes with nice cars get pulled over because of the stereotype that they must be drug dealers to be rich and to be able to work out.

That's the problem with driving while black. Equal justice is not in fact given to the wrong skin color.

Now, what's wrong with riding a bus while tan? First, bad things happen so police can make up for making a bad charge. Second, it's inconvenient to be singled out and worked over by any form of cops. I'd hate it. Third, it's discrimination. Why should all tan people -- dark skinned Italians, for that matter dark Irishmen whose ancestors came here two centuries ago, descendants of Mexicans who found themselves living in Texas or California at the end of the War with Mexico, or second or third generation descendants of immigrants -- be discriminated against?

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» RE: Driving while Black Posted by: Old Skeptic
» RE: Driving while Black Posted by: desidid
» RE: Driving while Black Posted by: john mont
» RE: Driving while Black Posted by: desidid
the same everywhere
Posted by: sureshot45 on Jun 23, 2008 7:06 PM   
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i lived in central america for a few years and every time we made a visa run they asked everyone on the bus for their ids. i think this is a pretty standard practice..in most nations around the world and it shouldnt be used as fuel for the fire that is racial profiling. im pleased to see that most commenters on here agree that this piece is not well researched and doesnt deserve much of our time or concern.

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» RE: the same everywhere Posted by: sureshot45
Americans do not have to carry "papers" on their person at all times.
Posted by: Don on Jun 23, 2008 8:42 PM   
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I was born in USA, and I don't always carry "papers" on my person.

I have never heard you are legally required to carry ID at all times anywhere in the country, unless you are operating a motor vehicle.

Ironically,I have been carded when I purchase beer more times since I retired a year ago than I ever was when I was under 25.

The ID charade at airports, which went into effect before 11SE01 was originally driven by the airlines, for revenue protection reasons. Otherwise, rather than waste a non-refundable ticket, you might give it to a friend or relative.

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Observer
Posted by: davy on Jun 24, 2008 12:51 AM   
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Wow, america really has become scary. Amazing isn't it that a whole country has been stolen by "the good americans" and they've got everyone blaming the Mexicans. Good thing there are plenty of minions to carry out their orders. Better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone america.

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Missing the point
Posted by: Beagle17 on Jun 24, 2008 6:43 PM   
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Wow, maybe it's all the Ron Paul sympathy effect or something, but I'm a bit surprised by all the posters here that don't seem to get it.

Do you really want to live in an America where authorities board buses randomly to search for "illegals"? I've traveled around a lot of places in Asia, and the only places I've ever been where that was practiced were southern China and Tibet.

So, does your Pavlovian fear of a "porous border" and craving for "national security" really require such actions in order for you to feel at peace?

Why do you think it is the buses they are checking? Well, that's where all the poor folk and "illegals" are more likely to be found. This is not a border security issue- it's not even happening at the borders - this is about getting the public used to the idea of arbitrary search and detainment.

So, sure, all you folks who think illegal immigration is such a serious problem that you want to live under authoritarian conditions visibly akin to China and other dictatorial regimes just to make things more difficult for those illegal immigrants who you probably join in the exploitation of, one way or another, directly or indirectly, you will get your wish soon enough I think. If you happen to be white and not use buses or trains, then you may not even notice. If you are of low-income or a visible minority, you will surely be affected and annoyed. In the end, the establishment powers are the ones who truly get what they want - sending the message out to all the peons - Big Brother is looking for you. As if there isn't something better to do with the tax haul.

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» RE: You're Missing The Point Posted by: desidid
» RE: Missing the point Posted by: WWMD
I Recognise this...
Posted by: Goizeder on Jun 27, 2008 11:10 AM   
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If the bus is going over state lines, it's legal for border patrol agents to check the bus--at the border, not before (I think).
I am a boarding student who regularly heads home for the weekends. The Bus I take goes from Bangor (Maine) to I believe Loring. In Houlton, which is just across the border from Canada, but does not cross the border, Border control agents get on the bus and ask all the passengers about their status. That is illegal, since the bus is domestic only.

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» RE: I Recognise this... Posted by: L.A.Lynn