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Lou Dobbs, Looking at Public Office, Says He's in Favor of Policy He Used to Spin as "Shamnesty for Illegals"

Dobbs said he now favors the very legalization process for unauthorized immigrants that he's long derided as a brain-dead "amnesty".
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First, under pressure from above, Lou Dobbs gave up on the birther conspiracy theories. 

Then he said that perhaps he'd been wrong to assert that illegal immigrants were spreading leprosy far and wide across the U.S. (or at least he claims to have said he'd been wrong).

And now, in the ultimate betrayal of the faux-populist shtick he's been riding all these years, Dobbs told Telemundo (in an interview caught by the Wall Street Journal) that he now favors the very legalization process for unauthorized immigrants that he's long derided as a brain-dead "amnesty" policy pushed by pernicious liberal elites in order to keep down the wages of good, hardworking Americans.

If you've followed Dobbs' career at all, you'll understand that this is no standard-issue flip-flop:

Former CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, pondering a future in politics, is trying to wipe away his image as an enemy of Latino immigrants by positioning himself as a champion of that fast-growing ethnic bloc.

In a little-noticed interview Friday, Mr. Dobbs told Spanish-language network Telemundo he now supports a plan to legalize millions of undocumented workers, a stance he long lambasted as an unfair "amnesty."

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Mr. Dobbs twice mentioned a possible legalization plan for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., saying at one point that "we need the ability to legalize illegal immigrants under certain conditions."

Perhaps reports in The Onion are accurate, and Lou Dobbs really is an undocumented Mexican immigrant named Luis Miguel Salvador Aguila Dominguez who's been passing as an American citizen since 1961.

The only other explanation for Dobbs' eye-opening reversal on comprehensive immigration reform is that the "fiercely independent" talk-show host is one of the greatest hypocrites the universe has ever known. Dobbs is reportedly eyeing a senate run in New Jersey. And here's a fun fact: in the 2000 census (PDF), Jersey was one of just six states with a foreign-born population of more than a million! And according to America's Voice, it was one of the three states in which Latinos represented the highest share of new voters since 2000.

But I'm sure Dobbs' sudden embrace of what he's long derided as "shamnesty" is heart-felt, and a result of sober introspection on the issue rather than some crass political calculation.

One has to pause for a moment and consider how Dobbs' most loyal fans must be taking this news (in the unlikely event they're fans of Telemundo). He's always sold himself as a fearless, plain-spoken everyman whose lack of mushy-headed political correctness drove him to call it as he sees it, never mind the repercussions. And this ostensibly put him a world apart from those craven political elites who would sell out the white working-class in a heartbeat for a few dusky "new voters."

That straight-talking right-populism has always been his appeal, and Dobbs' most ardent supporters lapped it up. What a sad joke it is -- sold out by their most passionate and visible champion. And how insulting it is to those fans that Dobbs even thinks he can hold onto their devotion and also try to soften his image with Latinos by going jiggly on the very issue on which his' hard-line stance has long defined him.

He won't be able to do it. Dobbs' problem is one shared by anyone who goes too far with the anti-immigration rhetoric and then seeks public office -- it reliably pleases the base and loses general elections (PDF). Dobbs' rants averaged 650,000 viewers out of a nation of more than 300 million; to grab a Senate seat he needs over half of New Jersey's 3.6 million voters.

Now let me offer an easy prediction. Dobbs has always lied, quite blatantly, about the legalization provisions in the comprehensive immigration reform bills Congress considered during the Bush years. If he's called on this flip-flop, he'll continue to do so. He'll say that he's for legalization, "with conditions," and spin it as if they weren't the exact same conditions in the Senate bill which prompted Lou to shake his abnormally large head and marvel: "This is no longer amnesty, but shamnesty."


Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.
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Posted by: packers1 on Nov 26, 2009 7:02 PM   
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The author writes that Americans are far more receptive to illegal aliens if they meet such standards as paying fines and back taxes, learn English and American History, and go to the back of the line for entry into the country."

I could not disagree more with that conclusion.

If there is a full and intelligent debate of the topic, it will be exposed that any fines will be negligible, and in effect, a joke.

Same goes for back taxes of which few will owe much, if any at all, due to illegal aliens overall low income and thus few federal taxes (Remmber 50% of the population only pays 2.8% of federal taxes and over a third pay nothing at all. Indeed, if they have larger families they will be eligible for the Earned Income Tax credit.

As for learning English and American history. Again, this is nonsense. What type of test and who will actually administer it honestly for millions and millions of illegals? This type of junk is pablum to fool the masses nothing more.

Legalization and going to the back of the line? What line, where, and how would you abosrb that many illegals even with the overly generous immigration quotas that allow for over a million legal immigrants to enter. The numbers and reality don't add up: unless, of course, you just inflate immigration quota numbers- a neat little slight of hand!

All of this is even more strained with high unemployment levels and access (remember they would be legal) to health care if ObamaCare passes.

And what people might say over a phone to make themselves sound good would be far different if they actually could vote upon it.

Naturally, the poltical elites and business interests will push amnesty anyway. That is for certain. But do not assume that the American people support it no matter what language is used or how much you try to fool them.

I would be please to have the author of this article respond to me. He has my email.

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Just drop his ass in a dark alley, in the middle of downtown Ciudad Juarez
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 AM   
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So, did the Telemundo interviewers
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 27, 2009 1:26 PM   
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do the largest spit-take in broadcasting history for the largest, most flagrant lie for political gain in electoral history?

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Sarah Palin makes shit up and
Posted by: surfreality on Nov 27, 2009 2:27 PM   
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has it published. She gets called a liar BY REPUBLICANS and doesn't bat an eye. She told a lot of whoppers on the campaign trail too. Now there's a pundit at WAPO who say she's a credible candidate in 2012.

Reality is less important to people like Dobbs and Palin than perception; which they both work hard at manipulating. Didn't Colbert say something about reality having a liberal bias?

No way Dobbs wins the Senate seat in NJ though. No way he beats Menendez.

What'll be interesting to see is if anyone on the right calls Dobbs out on this...

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Corporate Elections = Special Immigration Dance
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 27, 2009 2:49 PM   
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If Dobbs is running (2012) then he'll have to raise some Serious Corporate Cash, and the Corporate Immigration Agenda (labor = commodity = imported wage slaves) requires a Special Campaign Dance.

Dobbs' opponent - Robert Menendez (D) - is on the record promoting legislation that either: (1) puts the brakes on workplace immigration raids; or (2) protects recently naturalized citizens caught up in confusing circumstances.

So, if there are major meat processing facilities in New Jersey owned by Big Corporate Donors that Dobbs' campaign manager and fundraising manager want to court, then a good issues handler and a better media booker might be advising Dobbs to: (1) back-peddle for cash and prizes; and (2) save the wedge issue demagoguery for the actual race when the Big Corporate Donors' checks have already been cashed and spent.

They can reconcile and play all nicey-nicey in January 2013 once Dobbs starts shopping in DC for new drapes.

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Lou Dobbs or Not? The battle lines are drawn.
Posted by: Brittanicus on Nov 27, 2009 5:15 PM   
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GET--YOUR--POSTCARD WRITTEN OR PHONE WASHINGTON. TELL FAMILY MEMBERS, FRIENDS, CO-WORKERS TO DO THE SAME?

The open border movement has started a drive to get those who approve of another disastrous AMNESTY, to send postcards to Washington. Well anti-illegal immigration, pro-sovereignty and--NO--Comprehensive Immigration Reform can do-one-better? Opponents of AMNESTY should call their politician at 202-224-3121, or go there in person to their offices. SPELL OUT TO THE SCREENER OR AID, to take your name and phone number, stating decisively--NO AMNESTY. Then every American, black white, red or brown person, who see this as a treasonous portrayal of American and legal immigrant workers, should also buy a postcard and bombard your Senator or Representative. We can stop this travesty to our immigration laws, because under President Obama, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Sen.Gutierrez D-IL, Sen.Harry Reid (D-NV), Speaker N. Pelosi (D-CA), Sen. Diane Feinstein D-CA, and the rest of the cast of Un-American characters, will have us paying billions of dollars, to support the 20-30 million plus already here, and then the rolling uncountable numbers that will attack the border once the word is heard from Belize to China.

Another Amnesty will just start a stampede, which all taxpayers will have to support. As the fence is now, the underfunded barrier will not stop the human deluge. It is a catastrophe waiting to happen and a matter of survival in America. A majority of tourists who overstay their tourist visa are illegal aliens. Neither crossing the border or overstaying tourist visas, is a violation against THE RULE OF LAW. Unlike other countries--entering America without permission is a minimal offense/'.This is thanks to globalists, business organizations that politicians have catered to for generations. If our laws--WERE ENFORCED--from the beginning, not weakened or dismantled by previous White House occupancy we would not have been--INVADED? NOW WRITE YOUR POSTCARDS AND REMEMBER TO PUT A STAMP ON IT. GOOGLE--your local and state policy makers or find their electoral address, email address and phone numbers. Even your local phone book has this information. THE OTHER SIDE THINKS WE DON'T HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, TO STOP THIS CRAZY MOVE TOWARDS THIS ILL-CONCEIVED AMNESTY? THEY WILL SOON FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE--DEAD WRONG!

We can derail the open border zealots, ACLU, Council of Foreign Relations, Catholic Church, and other congregational faiths and the business owners--NOT FORGETTING FOREIGN NATIONALS--AS WE CAN BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME? Want to save America from OVERPOPULATION, rising illegal immigrant crime, paying for all their education, health care and other unrevealed government ENTITLEMENTS? VOTE THE MORONS OUT! VOTE SEN. HARRY REID, JOHN McCAIN OUT NEXT YEAR Demand E-Verify as a permanent addition to 287 (g) local police restriction, ICE audits of piratical business. Demand E-Verify to eject illegal workers taking your jobs, so they will leave when unable to obtain a job. EVERYBODY IN THE WORKFORCE MUST BE IDENTIFIED--THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED FOR YEARS--AND NEW HIRES--EVERYBODY? OTHERWISE IT'S A GOOD EXCUSE FOR OPPONENTS TO FILE A DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST BUSINESSES WITH DEEP POCKETS. THAT WAY THE COMMUNIST (FOUNDER) ACLU WILL BE UNDERMINED BY THEIR RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF DESTROYING E-VERIFY, 287 G, ICE RAIDS AND OTHER ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES.

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Postcards from the edge
Posted by: Brittanicus on Nov 27, 2009 5:15 PM   
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This is a battle we must--WIN--against illegal immigration, but we must have an orderly flow of legal newcomers specially professional people in the highest pinnacle of Engineers, computers and other skills. We cannot, shouldn't accept anymore poor people, when our nation has millions of mixed gender at the bottom rungs of the employment ladder living in poverty. NO AMNESTY, but amendments to the 1986 (IRCA) can achieve this goal, even though the American people are constantly lied to by those in power. Prior to any new laws all those potential immigrants waiting in other lands, already processed should be given first priority in receiving a work visa. While we spend billions of taxpayer dollars on the incessant wars, some of The People's money should have been appropriated for the originally designed border fence, not the single-layer barrier that was underfunded, with no intention of stopping the rush of desperate humanity to satisfy the money-craving business community.

NUMBERSUSA will show you the illegal immigrant costs and the enforcement gradings of those in Washington. CAPSWEB will explain irreversible population growth in California and nationwide. Other sites of interest on Immigration enforcement is ALIPAC and AMERICAN PATROL and THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. OH! DON'T FORGET THE 28 CENTS POSTCARD TO THOSE WHO THINK THEY CONTROL US.

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I'd call him a whore
Posted by: ellspouses on Nov 27, 2009 10:07 PM   
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but that would be an insult to prostitutes. I cannot believe the people who think that they could/should run for office at any level above dog catcher simply due to the fact that they have had their mug on TV.
My wife keeps telling me that I ought to run for local office in our town, and I feel like I'm not qualified. Maybe I'm missing the boat! Why run for city council when I can run for a state opening, or even for the national house or senate? I guess the main qualification is some loopy policy issue. Oh, yeah, and money.
Damn... I'm not rich, and none of my friends are. If I can't buy face time and favors I'll never get out of the gate, while flip flopping liars will get tons of publicity and money to support a campaign doomed to crater.
Where did my country go? And, what does the common person do to get it back?

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Lou Lou shame on you!
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Nov 28, 2009 1:24 AM   
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Shame on you for flip-flopping on illegal aliens just because you are thinking of running for office. Illegal aliens are still taking American jobs and sopping up American resources: nothing has changed. Suddenly you are talking about amnesty for these lawbreakers? Shame! What did you spend your 30 pieces of silver on, Lou?

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Lou Dobbs didn't create opposition to amnesty
Posted by: lclark on Nov 28, 2009 2:26 AM   
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“Dobbs' problem is one shared by anyone who goes too far with the anti-immigration rhetoric and then seeks public office -- it reliably pleases the base and loses general elections.”

The majority of citizens are opposed to amnesty, open borders, and the various convoluted scenarios the political elite come up with to bamboozle.

The situation faced by politicians running for public office, especially Federal office, is the huge amount of money required to mount a campaign with costly media exposure. And those funds come from special and Corporate interests, not the voting public. So in that way the candidates are “pre-screened” in that process so only those who will support the interests of their funding sources and not the interests and concerns of citizens actually get in the running to begin with. We can’t actually say we have free elections since real choice is removed in the process.

The ones that make it through that process then have the parties committees and caucuses to contend with. Play ball or lose all support and funding.

Then we have the ideologues and media hacks that will spin words to convince people they are for something that simply are not for.

Lou Dobbs didn’t create the public that opposes amnesty or its convoluted variations. He is no longer on cable TV. Get over it.

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Question for Lou
Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 28, 2009 2:31 AM   
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If the tables turned, and you had to sneak into Mexico to feed your family, would you do it, or would you let them go hungry because you respect Mexico's immigration laws so much?

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Lou Dobbs
Posted by: electron on Nov 28, 2009 4:24 AM   
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Talk about a total turnaround. I think Dobbs needs to sit back with his 8 million bucks and enjoy retirement.

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So, nobody's even buying the possibility?
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Nov 28, 2009 7:18 AM   
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"Perhaps reports in The Onion are accurate, and Lou Dobbs really is an undocumented Mexican immigrant named Luis Miguel Salvador Aguila Dominguez who's been passing as an American citizen since 1961."

No?

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popham
Posted by: popham on Nov 28, 2009 8:05 AM   
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Who is Lou Dobbs anyway? Never have I read any
article that exhibits the hypocrisy of one
potential presidential candidate. He isn't even
in politics and already he has flip-flopped on
major issues, that, as a T.V. personality he was
spewing about every day. Sure, America needs to
have independents like Dobbs run in
2012. This would make it easier for me to run
again as a third party candidate. At least I
have a substantive vision for America, though
I clearly do not support amnesty.
Cannot wait to take you on Mr. Dobbs.
America is ready for a third party; to place
someone in that high office with no particular
party affiliations. The American people will
support and elect such a person, because they're
sick and tired of the two-party system. Let's get it on Mr. Dobbs.
www.popham08.com

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Yo (corazon) Mexicanos! Honest!
Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 28, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Te amo, mi amigo Latino! Y yo aprendo el Espanol para ti.

Su amigo Lou Dobbso, el Presidente por todos los Latinos en los Estados Unidos, except for those who shoot at my casa en Nueva Jersey.

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Oh, joy
Posted by: willymack on Nov 28, 2009 10:22 AM   
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Another bonehead in a public office.
I await that golden moment with breathless anticipation.

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Re:He helped create it
Posted by: lclark on Nov 28, 2009 10:58 AM   
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"hostility towar(t)ds immigrants who arrived after them".

"Human" in many languages referred to members of a tribe, city-state, whatever; the barbanian was the outsider. To have an idenity is not a particularly "American".

"American" identity is unusually broad as we have the most diverse populace than other nations of the world to begin with. You indulge in the typical "church" guilting of citizens, accusing them of hostility and ignorance.

Previous mass immigrations were because of economic needs and the needs to grow the population to fill the continent. Those needs don't exist and people really don't need immigrants to mow their lawns. There are a lot of unemployed teenagers to do that who would benefit from the experience and the earnings.

And again, I believe Lou Dobb's addressed the issue of open borders and illegal migration which you and other opponents re-language..."new-speak" as immigration.

He did address the issue of improper use of immigration to bring in knowledge skill workers to replace citizens at a lower cost, such as in the IT industry. Perhaps its a bit more difficult to bring in political issue essayist so you can't "grock" the problem. Not only have I see that 1st hand, I've seen the mass migration of related jobs go over seas.

People are pissed, and rightly so, by the systematic dismantling of the economic status of citizens, of which illegal migration is a large part of the process.

It not a issue of race or ethnic-centric hostility, but Big Goverment assistance to a Corportocracy that would breakdown the status quo and replace it with lower wages and a government that can ignore the interests and concerns of its citizens.

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The title of another alternet article posted today
Posted by: lclark on Nov 28, 2009 11:12 AM   
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Shocking: High School Grads 234% More Likely To Be Jobless Than College Grads - and Right-Wingers are Profiting From Their Pain

Don't they need jobs?

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LOTS of old footage still archived...
Posted by: LightningJoe on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM   
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Dobbs has a big problem with this idea of turning over a new leaf.

There is lots of old footage available, that shows his real opinion on illegals.

Hard to shake that off, Dobbs. It was recorded when you (thought you) were untouchable. Now, when you're looking for a job, you change your tune?

Sorry, we're just not that stupid. Those you intend to vote for you one day certainly ARE that stupid, but we're not going to let them forget what you said when you meant it.

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^$#%$#*^%*#
Posted by: bukoo on Dec 3, 2009 6:51 PM   
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is that a cowboy's dream /
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Posted by: packers1 on Nov 26, 2009 7:02 PM   
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The author writes that Americans are far more receptive to illegal aliens if they meet such standards as paying fines and back taxes, learn English and American History, and go to the back of the line for entry into the country."

I could not disagree more with that conclusion.

If there is a full and intelligent debate of the topic, it will be exposed that any fines will be negligible, and in effect, a joke.

Same goes for back taxes of which few will owe much, if any at all, due to illegal aliens overall low income and thus few federal taxes (Remmber 50% of the population only pays 2.8% of federal taxes and over a third pay nothing at all. Indeed, if they have larger families they will be eligible for the Earned Income Tax credit.

As for learning English and American history. Again, this is nonsense. What type of test and who will actually administer it honestly for millions and millions of illegals? This type of junk is pablum to fool the masses nothing more.

Legalization and going to the back of the line? What line, where, and how would you abosrb that many illegals even with the overly generous immigration quotas that allow for over a million legal immigrants to enter. The numbers and reality don't add up: unless, of course, you just inflate immigration quota numbers- a neat little slight of hand!

All of this is even more strained with high unemployment levels and access (remember they would be legal) to health care if ObamaCare passes.

And what people might say over a phone to make themselves sound good would be far different if they actually could vote upon it.

Naturally, the poltical elites and business interests will push amnesty anyway. That is for certain. But do not assume that the American people support it no matter what language is used or how much you try to fool them.

I would be please to have the author of this article respond to me. He has my email.

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Just drop his ass in a dark alley, in the middle of downtown Ciudad Juarez
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 AM   
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So, did the Telemundo interviewers
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 27, 2009 1:26 PM   
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do the largest spit-take in broadcasting history for the largest, most flagrant lie for political gain in electoral history?

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Sarah Palin makes shit up and
Posted by: surfreality on Nov 27, 2009 2:27 PM   
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has it published. She gets called a liar BY REPUBLICANS and doesn't bat an eye. She told a lot of whoppers on the campaign trail too. Now there's a pundit at WAPO who say she's a credible candidate in 2012.

Reality is less important to people like Dobbs and Palin than perception; which they both work hard at manipulating. Didn't Colbert say something about reality having a liberal bias?

No way Dobbs wins the Senate seat in NJ though. No way he beats Menendez.

What'll be interesting to see is if anyone on the right calls Dobbs out on this...

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Corporate Elections = Special Immigration Dance
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 27, 2009 2:49 PM   
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If Dobbs is running (2012) then he'll have to raise some Serious Corporate Cash, and the Corporate Immigration Agenda (labor = commodity = imported wage slaves) requires a Special Campaign Dance.

Dobbs' opponent - Robert Menendez (D) - is on the record promoting legislation that either: (1) puts the brakes on workplace immigration raids; or (2) protects recently naturalized citizens caught up in confusing circumstances.

So, if there are major meat processing facilities in New Jersey owned by Big Corporate Donors that Dobbs' campaign manager and fundraising manager want to court, then a good issues handler and a better media booker might be advising Dobbs to: (1) back-peddle for cash and prizes; and (2) save the wedge issue demagoguery for the actual race when the Big Corporate Donors' checks have already been cashed and spent.

They can reconcile and play all nicey-nicey in January 2013 once Dobbs starts shopping in DC for new drapes.

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Lou Dobbs or Not? The battle lines are drawn.
Posted by: Brittanicus on Nov 27, 2009 5:15 PM   
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GET--YOUR--POSTCARD WRITTEN OR PHONE WASHINGTON. TELL FAMILY MEMBERS, FRIENDS, CO-WORKERS TO DO THE SAME?

The open border movement has started a drive to get those who approve of another disastrous AMNESTY, to send postcards to Washington. Well anti-illegal immigration, pro-sovereignty and--NO--Comprehensive Immigration Reform can do-one-better? Opponents of AMNESTY should call their politician at 202-224-3121, or go there in person to their offices. SPELL OUT TO THE SCREENER OR AID, to take your name and phone number, stating decisively--NO AMNESTY. Then every American, black white, red or brown person, who see this as a treasonous portrayal of American and legal immigrant workers, should also buy a postcard and bombard your Senator or Representative. We can stop this travesty to our immigration laws, because under President Obama, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Sen.Gutierrez D-IL, Sen.Harry Reid (D-NV), Speaker N. Pelosi (D-CA), Sen. Diane Feinstein D-CA, and the rest of the cast of Un-American characters, will have us paying billions of dollars, to support the 20-30 million plus already here, and then the rolling uncountable numbers that will attack the border once the word is heard from Belize to China.

Another Amnesty will just start a stampede, which all taxpayers will have to support. As the fence is now, the underfunded barrier will not stop the human deluge. It is a catastrophe waiting to happen and a matter of survival in America. A majority of tourists who overstay their tourist visa are illegal aliens. Neither crossing the border or overstaying tourist visas, is a violation against THE RULE OF LAW. Unlike other countries--entering America without permission is a minimal offense/'.This is thanks to globalists, business organizations that politicians have catered to for generations. If our laws--WERE ENFORCED--from the beginning, not weakened or dismantled by previous White House occupancy we would not have been--INVADED? NOW WRITE YOUR POSTCARDS AND REMEMBER TO PUT A STAMP ON IT. GOOGLE--your local and state policy makers or find their electoral address, email address and phone numbers. Even your local phone book has this information. THE OTHER SIDE THINKS WE DON'T HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, TO STOP THIS CRAZY MOVE TOWARDS THIS ILL-CONCEIVED AMNESTY? THEY WILL SOON FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE--DEAD WRONG!

We can derail the open border zealots, ACLU, Council of Foreign Relations, Catholic Church, and other congregational faiths and the business owners--NOT FORGETTING FOREIGN NATIONALS--AS WE CAN BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME? Want to save America from OVERPOPULATION, rising illegal immigrant crime, paying for all their education, health care and other unrevealed government ENTITLEMENTS? VOTE THE MORONS OUT! VOTE SEN. HARRY REID, JOHN McCAIN OUT NEXT YEAR Demand E-Verify as a permanent addition to 287 (g) local police restriction, ICE audits of piratical business. Demand E-Verify to eject illegal workers taking your jobs, so they will leave when unable to obtain a job. EVERYBODY IN THE WORKFORCE MUST BE IDENTIFIED--THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED FOR YEARS--AND NEW HIRES--EVERYBODY? OTHERWISE IT'S A GOOD EXCUSE FOR OPPONENTS TO FILE A DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT AGAINST BUSINESSES WITH DEEP POCKETS. THAT WAY THE COMMUNIST (FOUNDER) ACLU WILL BE UNDERMINED BY THEIR RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF DESTROYING E-VERIFY, 287 G, ICE RAIDS AND OTHER ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES.

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Postcards from the edge
Posted by: Brittanicus on Nov 27, 2009 5:15 PM   
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This is a battle we must--WIN--against illegal immigration, but we must have an orderly flow of legal newcomers specially professional people in the highest pinnacle of Engineers, computers and other skills. We cannot, shouldn't accept anymore poor people, when our nation has millions of mixed gender at the bottom rungs of the employment ladder living in poverty. NO AMNESTY, but amendments to the 1986 (IRCA) can achieve this goal, even though the American people are constantly lied to by those in power. Prior to any new laws all those potential immigrants waiting in other lands, already processed should be given first priority in receiving a work visa. While we spend billions of taxpayer dollars on the incessant wars, some of The People's money should have been appropriated for the originally designed border fence, not the single-layer barrier that was underfunded, with no intention of stopping the rush of desperate humanity to satisfy the money-craving business community.

NUMBERSUSA will show you the illegal immigrant costs and the enforcement gradings of those in Washington. CAPSWEB will explain irreversible population growth in California and nationwide. Other sites of interest on Immigration enforcement is ALIPAC and AMERICAN PATROL and THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. OH! DON'T FORGET THE 28 CENTS POSTCARD TO THOSE WHO THINK THEY CONTROL US.

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I'd call him a whore
Posted by: ellspouses on Nov 27, 2009 10:07 PM   
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but that would be an insult to prostitutes. I cannot believe the people who think that they could/should run for office at any level above dog catcher simply due to the fact that they have had their mug on TV.
My wife keeps telling me that I ought to run for local office in our town, and I feel like I'm not qualified. Maybe I'm missing the boat! Why run for city council when I can run for a state opening, or even for the national house or senate? I guess the main qualification is some loopy policy issue. Oh, yeah, and money.
Damn... I'm not rich, and none of my friends are. If I can't buy face time and favors I'll never get out of the gate, while flip flopping liars will get tons of publicity and money to support a campaign doomed to crater.
Where did my country go? And, what does the common person do to get it back?

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Lou Lou shame on you!
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Nov 28, 2009 1:24 AM   
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Shame on you for flip-flopping on illegal aliens just because you are thinking of running for office. Illegal aliens are still taking American jobs and sopping up American resources: nothing has changed. Suddenly you are talking about amnesty for these lawbreakers? Shame! What did you spend your 30 pieces of silver on, Lou?

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Lou Dobbs didn't create opposition to amnesty
Posted by: lclark on Nov 28, 2009 2:26 AM   
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“Dobbs' problem is one shared by anyone who goes too far with the anti-immigration rhetoric and then seeks public office -- it reliably pleases the base and loses general elections.”

The majority of citizens are opposed to amnesty, open borders, and the various convoluted scenarios the political elite come up with to bamboozle.

The situation faced by politicians running for public office, especially Federal office, is the huge amount of money required to mount a campaign with costly media exposure. And those funds come from special and Corporate interests, not the voting public. So in that way the candidates are “pre-screened” in that process so only those who will support the interests of their funding sources and not the interests and concerns of citizens actually get in the running to begin with. We can’t actually say we have free elections since real choice is removed in the process.

The ones that make it through that process then have the parties committees and caucuses to contend with. Play ball or lose all support and funding.

Then we have the ideologues and media hacks that will spin words to convince people they are for something that simply are not for.

Lou Dobbs didn’t create the public that opposes amnesty or its convoluted variations. He is no longer on cable TV. Get over it.

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Question for Lou
Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 28, 2009 2:31 AM   
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If the tables turned, and you had to sneak into Mexico to feed your family, would you do it, or would you let them go hungry because you respect Mexico's immigration laws so much?

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Lou Dobbs
Posted by: electron on Nov 28, 2009 4:24 AM   
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Talk about a total turnaround. I think Dobbs needs to sit back with his 8 million bucks and enjoy retirement.

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So, nobody's even buying the possibility?
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Nov 28, 2009 7:18 AM   
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"Perhaps reports in The Onion are accurate, and Lou Dobbs really is an undocumented Mexican immigrant named Luis Miguel Salvador Aguila Dominguez who's been passing as an American citizen since 1961."

No?

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popham
Posted by: popham on Nov 28, 2009 8:05 AM   
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Who is Lou Dobbs anyway? Never have I read any
article that exhibits the hypocrisy of one
potential presidential candidate. He isn't even
in politics and already he has flip-flopped on
major issues, that, as a T.V. personality he was
spewing about every day. Sure, America needs to
have independents like Dobbs run in
2012. This would make it easier for me to run
again as a third party candidate. At least I
have a substantive vision for America, though
I clearly do not support amnesty.
Cannot wait to take you on Mr. Dobbs.
America is ready for a third party; to place
someone in that high office with no particular
party affiliations. The American people will
support and elect such a person, because they're
sick and tired of the two-party system. Let's get it on Mr. Dobbs.
www.popham08.com

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Yo (corazon) Mexicanos! Honest!
Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 28, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Te amo, mi amigo Latino! Y yo aprendo el Espanol para ti.

Su amigo Lou Dobbso, el Presidente por todos los Latinos en los Estados Unidos, except for those who shoot at my casa en Nueva Jersey.

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Oh, joy
Posted by: willymack on Nov 28, 2009 10:22 AM   
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Another bonehead in a public office.
I await that golden moment with breathless anticipation.

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Re:He helped create it
Posted by: lclark on Nov 28, 2009 10:58 AM   
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"hostility towar(t)ds immigrants who arrived after them".

"Human" in many languages referred to members of a tribe, city-state, whatever; the barbanian was the outsider. To have an idenity is not a particularly "American".

"American" identity is unusually broad as we have the most diverse populace than other nations of the world to begin with. You indulge in the typical "church" guilting of citizens, accusing them of hostility and ignorance.

Previous mass immigrations were because of economic needs and the needs to grow the population to fill the continent. Those needs don't exist and people really don't need immigrants to mow their lawns. There are a lot of unemployed teenagers to do that who would benefit from the experience and the earnings.

And again, I believe Lou Dobb's addressed the issue of open borders and illegal migration which you and other opponents re-language..."new-speak" as immigration.

He did address the issue of improper use of immigration to bring in knowledge skill workers to replace citizens at a lower cost, such as in the IT industry. Perhaps its a bit more difficult to bring in political issue essayist so you can't "grock" the problem. Not only have I see that 1st hand, I've seen the mass migration of related jobs go over seas.

People are pissed, and rightly so, by the systematic dismantling of the economic status of citizens, of which illegal migration is a large part of the process.

It not a issue of race or ethnic-centric hostility, but Big Goverment assistance to a Corportocracy that would breakdown the status quo and replace it with lower wages and a government that can ignore the interests and concerns of its citizens.

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The title of another alternet article posted today
Posted by: lclark on Nov 28, 2009 11:12 AM   
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Shocking: High School Grads 234% More Likely To Be Jobless Than College Grads - and Right-Wingers are Profiting From Their Pain

Don't they need jobs?

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LOTS of old footage still archived...
Posted by: LightningJoe on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM   
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Dobbs has a big problem with this idea of turning over a new leaf.

There is lots of old footage available, that shows his real opinion on illegals.

Hard to shake that off, Dobbs. It was recorded when you (thought you) were untouchable. Now, when you're looking for a job, you change your tune?

Sorry, we're just not that stupid. Those you intend to vote for you one day certainly ARE that stupid, but we're not going to let them forget what you said when you meant it.

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^$#%$#*^%*#
Posted by: bukoo on Dec 3, 2009 6:51 PM   
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is that a cowboy's dream /
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ed hardy
Posted by: mxcm428 on Dec 22, 2009 4:50 PM   
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