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Will the Economic Meltdown Push Fixing a Broken Immigration System to the Back Burner?

In his recent address to Congress, Barack Obama didn't mention immigration once -- what does it mean for the prospects for reform?
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On the campaign trail last year, Barack Obama promised to make comprehensive immigration reform (CIR) "a top priority in my first year as president."

Stressing the importance of "finally bring[ing] undocumented immigrants out of the shadows," Obama laid out the basic framework of  the deal that died twice in Congress in recent years: "they should have to pay a fine, and learn English, and go to the back of the line," he said. "That's how we'll put them on a pathway to citizenship. That's how we'll finally fix our broken immigration system and avoid creating a servant class in our midst." 

But in his recent address to Congress, immigration was nowhere to be found in the 6,134-word speech. That left some wondering if the new administration had decided to put immigration reform on the back burner, especially in light of the tanking economy. In a recent interview with a Spanish-language radio station, Obama said that because of the economic meltdown, the environment for passing a comprehensive reform bill in this Congress would be even more difficult than in past years. But he also said he was "very committed" to making it happen. 

The basic outline of CIR is a grand bargain between proponents of stronger enforcement efforts and immigrants' rights advocates. It would beef up border security, increase workplace enforcement, give employers the ability to check the immigration status of potential hires and create a path to legalization that would allow undocumented immigrants to "get in the back of the line" for a green card if they pay fines, learn English if they aren't already proficient and prove that they've paid their taxes in full.

As an approach that tries to split the difference between ideological camps, it is imperfect; I've called it the "least bad solution" that has a chance of getting passed.

Immigration reformers are hopeful that it will get done. Frank Sharry, director of America's Voice, a leading reform group, told me, "it's our guess that the legislative debate will commence in the fall and that the president will lay relatively low on the issue until then." Sharry said that the reason he's hopeful is that "there's a growing recognition among policy makers that the election this past November was a game-changer.  Latino and immigrant voters turned out in record numbers, they helped turn at least four red states blue, and immigration emerged as a defining issue for the fastest-growing group of new voters in the nation." 

Doug Rivlin of the National Immigration Forum agreed. "The prospects for reform are very good if advocates continue to build power and make it happen," he told me.  "The Obama administration can read election results."

Rivlin predicted "strident but weaker Republican opposition to legal immigration, legalization, and commonsense reform led by Reps. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, and Brian Bilbray, R-Calif., in the House and Sens. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., David Vitter, R-La., and other Southern Republicans in the Senate." But, he added, "if the legalization, due-process protections, worker rights and family components of a bill are strong enough, workable enough and generous enough, there will be wide Democratic support and enough Republican support to get a bill to the president." 

Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told the Detroit Free Press, "there's been an agreement between Obama and [Arizona Republican Sen. John] McCain to move forward on that. ... We'll do that." When asked if he had the votes to pass some form of CIR, he said: "We've got McCain, and we've got a few others. I don't expect much of a fight at all." Reid promised to work with the administration on the timing, but most of the analysts I interviewed expect a push for comprehensive reform this fall. 


Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.
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RE: The current laws, when enforced, ARE JUST FINE!
Posted by: Rolomax on Mar 13, 2009 3:09 AM   
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"I hope furthermore that the Supremes can finally revisit the 14th Amendment and stop the madness of birthright citizenship and revise it to the lower status of the two parents at the time of birth."

Native Americans (Indians?) probably won't disagree with you there. ;-)

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RE: The system is NOT BROKEN; Illegals are BUSTED instead!!
Posted by: Rolomax on Mar 13, 2009 3:16 AM   
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I'd like to see your citizenship papers NOW. If you can't provide them, then you are under arrest.

I'm sorry. You're driver license is not an approved form of ID.

If you don't like the cell we have provided for you, then you can apply for a better one in three months. Backlogs. You understand.

;-)

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Biased Article
Posted by: davidhhahn on Mar 13, 2009 1:24 AM   
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The headline of this article betrays its bias. "Broken Immigration System" is the mantra of the liberal left. I am a liberal, in the sense of a liberal arts education, etc; and I can spot a biased approach to this issue when I see one.

Here are some questions and proposed answers:

Q. What is broken about the current immigration system? A. Not much except a lack of enforcement.

Q. Do all of the "Latino Community" support illegal immigration and the "rights" of those here illegally? A. No. Talk so some, you'll find out that many Americans of latino descent do not support illegal immigration. They understand the moral hazard of just ignoring the law.

Q. Why is a fence such a bad thing? A. It is not. Geez, last time I looked there was a fence around the White House, and from the pictures, it looks to me like there is a pretty hefty fence around Obama's home in Chicago. Fences are for a reason and they work.

So, Alternet, continue with your bias, but you need to understand that many of us who are liberal and progressives are onto the game and understand that supporting en masse illegal immigration in not a way to provide a foundation for progressive politics in the United States ... not one bit.

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» Excellent! Thank you! Posted by: frantic1971
» RE: xcellent! Thank you! Posted by: zipoka
» Why is a fence such a bad thing? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Biased Article Posted by: dissentisgood
» immigration prison Posted by: zipoka

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warped thinking
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 13, 2009 1:33 AM   
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An economic crisis will not divert attention from illegal immigration.

It instead will remind Americans who play by rules and now are out of work that their govt has betrayed them by winking at unscrupulous employers who replace citizens with illegals who will work for substandard wages.

Illegal aliens are a part of the unemployment picture, even before the financial crash of October 08. Furthermore, the anchor child matter must be clarified; it is clearly a fraudulent loophole that diverts much needed education and health dollars to those who play on the goodwill of the American public to take benefits that US citizens should have.

Halt illegal immigration and deport illegal immigrants and their children: a real prolabor policy along with card check and stopping China trade.

Will Obama have the guts? Is he really pro-Americanlabor?

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» Not a priority Posted by: bizeeb

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unfreeinus
Posted by: losingmyliberties on Mar 13, 2009 5:43 AM   
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I hope they budget some more to enforce the immigration laws. There 16 to 20 million illegals now,just how many people do you want (illegally). When O sends the troops to stop the flow of drugs, they should shoot any thing that don't follow the orders. Oh I forgot,that's only condoned when your a legal citizen.

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the only "fix" needed
Posted by: frantic1971 on Mar 13, 2009 6:29 AM   
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When you have an "economic meltdown", when it comes to immigration--the only "reform" needed is NO IMMIGRATION.

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No more immigration: Legal or Illegal
Posted by: bcainw on Mar 13, 2009 6:40 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
4 of 5 of the first comments I read are diametrically opposed to Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR). But readers should understand that Alternet is financed by the Ford Foundation and other groups that are very much interested in CIR.

Yet given looming resource shortages (e.g., water) this is tantamount to insanity. It has to stop right now. And here are two videos that make that case both clear and compelling:

==============
Where is the Bailout for the American People?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j57qdQi8Qg

Why Lou Dobbs Should Demand A Stop To Legal Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kVA5UA38nE
==============

Please distribute both video far and wide. The time for "change that the Legal American Citizens can believe in" needs to happen NOW! And that means no more immigration: Legal or Illegal.

Got it?

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I work with three Koreans and a Chinese immigrant, and will shortly be going to work for...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 13, 2009 7:14 AM   
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...a Singaporean educated in England.

Our immigration system works, if you give a damn about following the rule of law.

Enforcement is the problem, or your single-minded passion towards your angels at our Southern border. Treating everyone fairly is the key. The 14th amendment was a hard-fought reinforcement of certain truths that we hold self-evident. You remember?

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» A new constitution... Posted by: zipoka

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citizens?????
Posted by: pacto on Mar 13, 2009 9:58 AM   
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sorry, but the thought that the people who are illegal ^want american citizenship^is bull.when mexican people go to the US, they go for money and money alone.Mexicans are fiercly patriotic, pride is the factor, not in the country,so much, but pride in la raza...the roots...to them the USA is a cash cow, and most think USA stole much of mexicos land.

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A THOUGHTFUL AMERICAN
Posted by: foxxx on Mar 13, 2009 11:27 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I SUGGEST THAT WE LET OUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN COME UP WITH A LAW TO STOP ALL THIS FREE MONEY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, WHILE AMERICANS ARE OUT OF WORK. I SUGGEST THAT OUR GOVERNMENT RETURN ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES AND STOP GIVING MONEY AWAY TO ALL OTHERS WHILE AMERICANS ARE HOMELESS AND OUT OF WORK. THE IMMIGRANTS THAT HAVE GREEN CARDS AND HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN AUTHORIZED TO LIVE HERE AND ARE OUT OF WORK, THEN ALONG WITH AMERICAN RULES BE GIVEN WHATEVER FROM WELFARE OR UNEMPLOYMENT. WHILE OUR ECONOMY IS IN JEOPARDY NOW I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY FOR ALL CONCERNED. I'VE ALSO HEARD ALOT OF MEXICANS ARE SELLING DRUGS AND SENDING THE MONEY HOME. I ALSO SUGGEST ALL THAT ARE CAUGHT BE RETURNED HOME PERMANENTLY. ONE FURTHER THOUGHT THAT HEALTH AND WELFARE CHECK ON ALL FOREIGNERS, BECAUSE ALOT ARE FORCING OTHER FAMILIES TO MAKE THEM LIVE IN THERE HOMES AGAINST THE OWNERS WILLS. I SUGGEST SO MANY TO A APARTMENT AND SO MANY TO A HOUSE. ALSO CHECK FOR CLEANLINESS FROM DISEASE, SO THERE'S NO EPIDEMIC OF WHATEVER MOVING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

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check the id
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 PM   
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no employer can do business if they dont use verification software that exposes these frauds for what they are: thieves. cut off the jobs with verification and most will crawl back home. those that stay to live by crime will be incarcerated, brutalized, and then after release deported. we can cut down on the 20 million real quick. and keep the brats out of our schools. that will also cause the job stealing illegals to go back to their own nations. they are not americans. america is an anglosaxon nation. we welcome nonanglosaxons who assimilate into our anglosaxon culture. others go bye bye.

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Melpol
Posted by: zipoka on Mar 13, 2009 9:00 PM   
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I think you're being sarcastic, and don't mean what you've written, but I agree anyway. Mexico doesn't mind when american redneck retirees go down there to live the poor boy's dream of a house with servants. Mexico doesn't mind it that San Miguel has more american and canadian expats than mexicans living there. Mexico doesn't mind having americans buy timeshare properties at beach resorts there.

Open borders seem like a good idea to me, with an equal exchange of culture, jobs, commodities. Mexicans have better manners than americans. I can't ever remember when or why Mexico became the enemy.

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RE: Open Borders baloney
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Mar 14, 2009 1:59 AM   
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That is nonsense! Who wants to share their Third World culture (whichever one it may be)? Seal the borders and deport all illegal aliens!

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» RE: Open Borders baloney Posted by: Old Skeptic

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Bush has fired ICE
Posted by: travelertoo on Mar 13, 2009 6:27 PM   
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A family member has alot of inherited wealth and hires illegal aliens even though he can easily afford to hire legal workers. I called immigration to turn him in 3 times. Each time I was put on hold for 30 minutes and I finally hung up. I have given up now.

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Just keep being IGNORANT and u will never get anywhere
Posted by: dm_chivalry on Mar 13, 2009 7:31 PM   
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Well, in my opinion, the immigration system doesn't work at all. if it did work, there wouldn't be 12 million ILLEGAL immigrants in the US right now. So those of you who say that the system works are wrong, and go read an article or two about the current immigration in the US.

To continue, those illegal immigrants that you do not like enable you to enjoy the the fine American life. There would be total chaos if anyone tried to send all those illegal immigrants back to their countries.

I wonder who you will hire or how much more you will pay to get your grass cut, or your toilets plumbed, or your fruits and vegitables picked.

However, you peoeple can keep telling yourselves that it will be fine, that nothing will happen. On the contrary, I am sure you will never see that day, because the lives of 12 million people are more important to than your ignorant thoughts.

To conclude, Americans always needed slaves, and always will. You people are just afraid that these slaves will have the same rights as you, and will demand more. You are all afraid that someone like Martin Luther King will come out and make it all happen. And to tell you the truth, it will happen. And i will laugh at your ignorant faces as I watch these illegal immigrants mix into your communities like real American Citizens.

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Out of the shadows?
Posted by: mygirlboo on Mar 13, 2009 7:55 PM   
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Don't forget that when the illegals are shivering in the shadows and too fearful to leave their homes, they don't appear to be too afraid to trot down to our brightly-lit hospital delivery rooms to give birth to child after child they can't even feed when the breast milk is gone. They aren't too fearful to trot down to our brightly-lit WIC and welfare offices to sign up for everything from soup to nuts. Also, don't forget those hospital ER's where they get all their health care for free. Then there are those Headstart and schools, not to mention their marching down our streets waving their foreign flag in our faces and making threats and demands. Some very selective fear, I would say.

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» RE: Out of the shadows? Posted by: dissentisgood
» Nope, she's a dumbass Posted by: Bliss Doubt

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imigration
Posted by: om7buss on Mar 17, 2009 8:44 PM   
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this word has been used to Hate our human bros; we all are immigrants in one way or another, aren't we?. who wants to leave their country, town or ranch; looking for new ways or better life just for fun?. it is good to do it when you have lots of money and want to see how other cultures live, then back home with your family and friends. If we just pay the fair price of natural resources to other countries, we won't see these mass migrations to this part of the world. stop HATE, it lives in you and don't let you think properly, thanks

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usedtobesupermom
Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Mar 19, 2009 11:47 AM   
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NO AMNESTY!!! To reward illegals HARMS the citizens of this country. After welfare reform many of the jobs that should have gone to these former recipients instead went to ILLEGALS!
Other jobs that illegals took away from citizens were in construction,$25.00 an hr.went down to $10.00-$15.00 an hr. The meat packing industry in 1986 paid $16.00-$19.00 an hr. with benefits, now pays $10.00 an hr. no benefits. In fact most of the hospitality industry like hotels are fully employing ILLEGALS.
The 14th Amendment does NOT grant birthright citizenship to babies that are born from parents that are illegally here.
In Calif. a law was passed that grants children of illegals eligibility for direct deposit welfare payments for 18 years! When they turn 21 they can petition for their parents to become citizens! See taxpayerrevolution.com
I'm Italian/Mexican. I'm not racist. But I'm not stupid either. I know the US Chamber of Commerce, The Business Roundtable & other powerful special interests want them here because it lowers the wages of everyone else EXCEPT CEO's. They also want to continue to bring in 138,000 LEGAL foreign workers on the H-1B Visa program EACH MONTH! (They are) Another issue of importance is that Senator Arlen Specter & 24 co-sponsors are trying to pass a bill to triple the number of H-2B Visas
which is currently 66,000 a year. These are LOW SKILLED workers! See numbersusa.com
This is going on even though MILLIONS of Americans have lost their jobs! E-Verify was eliminated from the "Stimulus Bill" (some parties in both houses made sure of it) so up to 300,000 ILLEGALS can/will get jobs in construction alone! numbersusa.com

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RE: The current laws, when enforced, ARE JUST FINE!
Posted by: Rolomax on Mar 13, 2009 3:09 AM   
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"I hope furthermore that the Supremes can finally revisit the 14th Amendment and stop the madness of birthright citizenship and revise it to the lower status of the two parents at the time of birth."

Native Americans (Indians?) probably won't disagree with you there. ;-)

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RE: The system is NOT BROKEN; Illegals are BUSTED instead!!
Posted by: Rolomax on Mar 13, 2009 3:16 AM   
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I'd like to see your citizenship papers NOW. If you can't provide them, then you are under arrest.

I'm sorry. You're driver license is not an approved form of ID.

If you don't like the cell we have provided for you, then you can apply for a better one in three months. Backlogs. You understand.

;-)

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Biased Article
Posted by: davidhhahn on Mar 13, 2009 1:24 AM   
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The headline of this article betrays its bias. "Broken Immigration System" is the mantra of the liberal left. I am a liberal, in the sense of a liberal arts education, etc; and I can spot a biased approach to this issue when I see one.

Here are some questions and proposed answers:

Q. What is broken about the current immigration system? A. Not much except a lack of enforcement.

Q. Do all of the "Latino Community" support illegal immigration and the "rights" of those here illegally? A. No. Talk so some, you'll find out that many Americans of latino descent do not support illegal immigration. They understand the moral hazard of just ignoring the law.

Q. Why is a fence such a bad thing? A. It is not. Geez, last time I looked there was a fence around the White House, and from the pictures, it looks to me like there is a pretty hefty fence around Obama's home in Chicago. Fences are for a reason and they work.

So, Alternet, continue with your bias, but you need to understand that many of us who are liberal and progressives are onto the game and understand that supporting en masse illegal immigration in not a way to provide a foundation for progressive politics in the United States ... not one bit.

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» RE: xcellent! Thank you! Posted by: zipoka
» Why is a fence such a bad thing? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Biased Article Posted by: dissentisgood
» immigration prison Posted by: zipoka

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warped thinking
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 13, 2009 1:33 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
An economic crisis will not divert attention from illegal immigration.

It instead will remind Americans who play by rules and now are out of work that their govt has betrayed them by winking at unscrupulous employers who replace citizens with illegals who will work for substandard wages.

Illegal aliens are a part of the unemployment picture, even before the financial crash of October 08. Furthermore, the anchor child matter must be clarified; it is clearly a fraudulent loophole that diverts much needed education and health dollars to those who play on the goodwill of the American public to take benefits that US citizens should have.

Halt illegal immigration and deport illegal immigrants and their children: a real prolabor policy along with card check and stopping China trade.

Will Obama have the guts? Is he really pro-Americanlabor?

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» Not a priority Posted by: bizeeb

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unfreeinus
Posted by: losingmyliberties on Mar 13, 2009 5:43 AM   
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I hope they budget some more to enforce the immigration laws. There 16 to 20 million illegals now,just how many people do you want (illegally). When O sends the troops to stop the flow of drugs, they should shoot any thing that don't follow the orders. Oh I forgot,that's only condoned when your a legal citizen.

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the only "fix" needed
Posted by: frantic1971 on Mar 13, 2009 6:29 AM   
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When you have an "economic meltdown", when it comes to immigration--the only "reform" needed is NO IMMIGRATION.

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No more immigration: Legal or Illegal
Posted by: bcainw on Mar 13, 2009 6:40 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
4 of 5 of the first comments I read are diametrically opposed to Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR). But readers should understand that Alternet is financed by the Ford Foundation and other groups that are very much interested in CIR.

Yet given looming resource shortages (e.g., water) this is tantamount to insanity. It has to stop right now. And here are two videos that make that case both clear and compelling:

==============
Where is the Bailout for the American People?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j57qdQi8Qg

Why Lou Dobbs Should Demand A Stop To Legal Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kVA5UA38nE
==============

Please distribute both video far and wide. The time for "change that the Legal American Citizens can believe in" needs to happen NOW! And that means no more immigration: Legal or Illegal.

Got it?

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I work with three Koreans and a Chinese immigrant, and will shortly be going to work for...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 13, 2009 7:14 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...a Singaporean educated in England.

Our immigration system works, if you give a damn about following the rule of law.

Enforcement is the problem, or your single-minded passion towards your angels at our Southern border. Treating everyone fairly is the key. The 14th amendment was a hard-fought reinforcement of certain truths that we hold self-evident. You remember?

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» A new constitution... Posted by: zipoka

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citizens?????
Posted by: pacto on Mar 13, 2009 9:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
sorry, but the thought that the people who are illegal ^want american citizenship^is bull.when mexican people go to the US, they go for money and money alone.Mexicans are fiercly patriotic, pride is the factor, not in the country,so much, but pride in la raza...the roots...to them the USA is a cash cow, and most think USA stole much of mexicos land.

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A THOUGHTFUL AMERICAN
Posted by: foxxx on Mar 13, 2009 11:27 AM   
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I SUGGEST THAT WE LET OUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN COME UP WITH A LAW TO STOP ALL THIS FREE MONEY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, WHILE AMERICANS ARE OUT OF WORK. I SUGGEST THAT OUR GOVERNMENT RETURN ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES AND STOP GIVING MONEY AWAY TO ALL OTHERS WHILE AMERICANS ARE HOMELESS AND OUT OF WORK. THE IMMIGRANTS THAT HAVE GREEN CARDS AND HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN AUTHORIZED TO LIVE HERE AND ARE OUT OF WORK, THEN ALONG WITH AMERICAN RULES BE GIVEN WHATEVER FROM WELFARE OR UNEMPLOYMENT. WHILE OUR ECONOMY IS IN JEOPARDY NOW I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY FOR ALL CONCERNED. I'VE ALSO HEARD ALOT OF MEXICANS ARE SELLING DRUGS AND SENDING THE MONEY HOME. I ALSO SUGGEST ALL THAT ARE CAUGHT BE RETURNED HOME PERMANENTLY. ONE FURTHER THOUGHT THAT HEALTH AND WELFARE CHECK ON ALL FOREIGNERS, BECAUSE ALOT ARE FORCING OTHER FAMILIES TO MAKE THEM LIVE IN THERE HOMES AGAINST THE OWNERS WILLS. I SUGGEST SO MANY TO A APARTMENT AND SO MANY TO A HOUSE. ALSO CHECK FOR CLEANLINESS FROM DISEASE, SO THERE'S NO EPIDEMIC OF WHATEVER MOVING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

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check the id
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 PM   
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no employer can do business if they dont use verification software that exposes these frauds for what they are: thieves. cut off the jobs with verification and most will crawl back home. those that stay to live by crime will be incarcerated, brutalized, and then after release deported. we can cut down on the 20 million real quick. and keep the brats out of our schools. that will also cause the job stealing illegals to go back to their own nations. they are not americans. america is an anglosaxon nation. we welcome nonanglosaxons who assimilate into our anglosaxon culture. others go bye bye.

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Melpol
Posted by: zipoka on Mar 13, 2009 9:00 PM   
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I think you're being sarcastic, and don't mean what you've written, but I agree anyway. Mexico doesn't mind when american redneck retirees go down there to live the poor boy's dream of a house with servants. Mexico doesn't mind it that San Miguel has more american and canadian expats than mexicans living there. Mexico doesn't mind having americans buy timeshare properties at beach resorts there.

Open borders seem like a good idea to me, with an equal exchange of culture, jobs, commodities. Mexicans have better manners than americans. I can't ever remember when or why Mexico became the enemy.

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RE: Open Borders baloney
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Mar 14, 2009 1:59 AM   
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That is nonsense! Who wants to share their Third World culture (whichever one it may be)? Seal the borders and deport all illegal aliens!

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Bush has fired ICE
Posted by: travelertoo on Mar 13, 2009 6:27 PM   
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A family member has alot of inherited wealth and hires illegal aliens even though he can easily afford to hire legal workers. I called immigration to turn him in 3 times. Each time I was put on hold for 30 minutes and I finally hung up. I have given up now.

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Just keep being IGNORANT and u will never get anywhere
Posted by: dm_chivalry on Mar 13, 2009 7:31 PM   
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Well, in my opinion, the immigration system doesn't work at all. if it did work, there wouldn't be 12 million ILLEGAL immigrants in the US right now. So those of you who say that the system works are wrong, and go read an article or two about the current immigration in the US.

To continue, those illegal immigrants that you do not like enable you to enjoy the the fine American life. There would be total chaos if anyone tried to send all those illegal immigrants back to their countries.

I wonder who you will hire or how much more you will pay to get your grass cut, or your toilets plumbed, or your fruits and vegitables picked.

However, you peoeple can keep telling yourselves that it will be fine, that nothing will happen. On the contrary, I am sure you will never see that day, because the lives of 12 million people are more important to than your ignorant thoughts.

To conclude, Americans always needed slaves, and always will. You people are just afraid that these slaves will have the same rights as you, and will demand more. You are all afraid that someone like Martin Luther King will come out and make it all happen. And to tell you the truth, it will happen. And i will laugh at your ignorant faces as I watch these illegal immigrants mix into your communities like real American Citizens.

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Out of the shadows?
Posted by: mygirlboo on Mar 13, 2009 7:55 PM   
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Don't forget that when the illegals are shivering in the shadows and too fearful to leave their homes, they don't appear to be too afraid to trot down to our brightly-lit hospital delivery rooms to give birth to child after child they can't even feed when the breast milk is gone. They aren't too fearful to trot down to our brightly-lit WIC and welfare offices to sign up for everything from soup to nuts. Also, don't forget those hospital ER's where they get all their health care for free. Then there are those Headstart and schools, not to mention their marching down our streets waving their foreign flag in our faces and making threats and demands. Some very selective fear, I would say.

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imigration
Posted by: om7buss on Mar 17, 2009 8:44 PM   
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this word has been used to Hate our human bros; we all are immigrants in one way or another, aren't we?. who wants to leave their country, town or ranch; looking for new ways or better life just for fun?. it is good to do it when you have lots of money and want to see how other cultures live, then back home with your family and friends. If we just pay the fair price of natural resources to other countries, we won't see these mass migrations to this part of the world. stop HATE, it lives in you and don't let you think properly, thanks

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usedtobesupermom
Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Mar 19, 2009 11:47 AM   
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NO AMNESTY!!! To reward illegals HARMS the citizens of this country. After welfare reform many of the jobs that should have gone to these former recipients instead went to ILLEGALS!
Other jobs that illegals took away from citizens were in construction,$25.00 an hr.went down to $10.00-$15.00 an hr. The meat packing industry in 1986 paid $16.00-$19.00 an hr. with benefits, now pays $10.00 an hr. no benefits. In fact most of the hospitality industry like hotels are fully employing ILLEGALS.
The 14th Amendment does NOT grant birthright citizenship to babies that are born from parents that are illegally here.
In Calif. a law was passed that grants children of illegals eligibility for direct deposit welfare payments for 18 years! When they turn 21 they can petition for their parents to become citizens! See taxpayerrevolution.com
I'm Italian/Mexican. I'm not racist. But I'm not stupid either. I know the US Chamber of Commerce, The Business Roundtable & other powerful special interests want them here because it lowers the wages of everyone else EXCEPT CEO's. They also want to continue to bring in 138,000 LEGAL foreign workers on the H-1B Visa program EACH MONTH! (They are) Another issue of importance is that Senator Arlen Specter & 24 co-sponsors are trying to pass a bill to triple the number of H-2B Visas
which is currently 66,000 a year. These are LOW SKILLED workers! See numbersusa.com
This is going on even though MILLIONS of Americans have lost their jobs! E-Verify was eliminated from the "Stimulus Bill" (some parties in both houses made sure of it) so up to 300,000 ILLEGALS can/will get jobs in construction alone! numbersusa.com

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