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Ecstasy Is the Key to Treating PTSD

By Amy Turner, The Times of London UK. Posted June 27, 2008.


At last the incurably traumatized may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And controversially, ecstasy may be key to taming their demons.
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At last the incurably traumatized may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And controversially, the key to taming their demons is the 'killer' drug Ecstasy

An Ecstasy tablet. That's what it took to make Donna Kilgore feel alive again that and the doctor who prescribed it. As the pill began to take effect, she giggled for the first time in ages. She felt warm and fuzzy, as if she was floating. The anxiety melted away. Gradually, it all became clear: the guilt, the anger, the shame.

Before, she'd been frozen, unable to feel anything but fear for 10 years. Touching her own arms was, she says, "like touching a corpse." She was terrified, unable to respond to her loving husband or rock her baby to sleep. She couldn't drive over bridges for fear of dying, was by turns uncontrollably angry and paralyzed with numbness. When she spoke, she heard her voice as if it were miles away; her head felt detached from her body. "It was like living in a movie but watching myself through the camera lens,"she says. "I wasn't real."

Unknowingly, Donna, now 39, had post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). And she would become the first subject in a pioneering American research program to test the effects of MDMA otherwise known as the dancefloor drug Ecstasy on PTSD sufferers.

Some doctors believe MDMA could be the key to solving previously untreatable deep-rooted traumas. For a hard core of PTSD cases, no amount of antidepressants or psychotherapy can rid them of the horror of systematic abuse or a bad near-death experience, and the slightest reminder triggers vivid flashbacks.

PTSD-specific psychotherapy has always been based on the idea that the sufferer must be guided back to the pivotal moment of that trauma the crash, the battlefield, the moment of rape and relive it before they can move on and begin to heal. But what if that trauma is insurmountable? What if a person is so horrified by their experience that even to think of revisiting it can bring on hysterics? After hysterics, the Home Office estimates that 11,000 clubbers take Ecstasy every weekend. Could MDMA the illegal class-A rave drug, found in the system of Leah Betts when she died in 1995, and over 200 others since really help? Dr Michael Mithoefer, the psychiatrist from South Carolina who struggled for years to get funding and permission for the study, believes so. Some regard his study approved by the US government as irresponsible, dangerous even. But Mithoefer's results tell a different story.

MDMA was patented in 1912 by the German pharmaceutical company Merck. To begin with, it was merely an intermediate chemical used in creating a drug to control bleeding. In the 1920s MDMA was used in studies on blood glucose as a substitute for adrenaline. The Merck chemist Max Oberlin concluded that it would be worth "keeping an eye on this field." Still, no further studies were carried out until 1952, when the chemist Dr Albert van Schoor tested the toxicity of MDMA on flies. "Flies lie in supine position, then death," he recorded.

MDMA's therapeutic potential wasn't realised until 1976, when the American chemist Alexander Shulgin tried it on himself. He noted that its effect, "an easily controlled altered state of consciousness with emotional and sensual overtones," could be ideal for psychotherapy, as it induced a state of openness and trust without hallucination or paranoia. It quickly became known as a wonder drug, and began to be used widely in couples therapy and for treating anxiety disorders. None of these tests was "empirical" in the scientific sense no placebos, no follow-up testing but anecdotally the results were almost entirely positive.

Word, and supplies, of the new "love drug" got out, and in the early 1980s it became popular in the fashionable clubs of Dallas, LA and London, where it was known as Ecstasy, X or "dolphins." As use became widespread, the US authorities panicked, and by 1985 MDMA was an illegal, schedule-1 drug. UK laws were even tighter: MDMA, illegal under the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act, was categorised class A in 1977, carrying a sentence of up to seven years for possession.

Criminalization put paid to MDMA research almost overnight, at least until Mithoefer's current program began. But it didn't stop the ravers. The drug was popular in the late 1980s and early 1990s for its energizing, euphoric effects. There are no official figures for that period, but the UK Home Office estimates that in 2006/7, between 236,000 and 341,000 people in the UK took Ecstasy. Experts say the drug is far less fashionable now than in its heyday in 1988, the second so-called "summer of love."

The MDMA used in the studies the drug Dr Mithoefer gave Donna and other patients was the pure chemical compound, not the black-market Ecstasy bought by recreational users. " A lot of Ecstasy pills aren't MDMA at all," says Steve Rolles of the drug-policy reform group Transform. "They may be amphetamines, or unknown pharmaceuticals, or they can be cut with almost any drug in pill or powder form. That's when you magnify risks associated with taking a drug that's already toxic. Plus, people use it irresponsibly, mixing it with other drugs, not drinking enough water or drinking too much."

The images of Leah Betts and Lorna Spinks lying in hospital on life-support, bloodied and bloated, are familiar to all of us we know drugs cost lives. But has MDMA's reputation been tarnished so badly that its potential medical value has been overshadowed? That question is the reason that Donna agreed to speak to The Sunday Times about her MDMA treatment. "It's so important people know what it did for me, what it could do for others," she says. Her voice trembles: it isn't easy to talk about what she went through.

In 1993, Donna was brutally raped. She was a single parent living in a small town in Alaska, working as a dental nurse for the Air Force. She was due to work an early shift the next day and her two-year-old daughter was staying with a friend for the night. She was alone at home. At midnight she opened the door to a stranger who said he was looking for his dog. He asked if her husband was at home, and a second's hesitation was enough. He burst in, backing her up against the fireplace in the living room. Donna picked up a poker to defend herself. He said: "If you co-operate, I won't kill you. I've got a gun." And he reached into his jacket.

"I dropped the poker and that was it,"she says. "I thought, this is how I'm going to die. No life flashed before my eyes, I didn't think about my daughter. Just death. I left my body and I stayed that way. The next thing I remember, the cops were coming through the door with a dog."

She endured the rape with her eyes squeezed shut. That she hadn't physically struggled would later form a large part of the guilt and shame that contributed to her PTSD. "I guess a lot of women would say, Someone would have to kill me before I'd let that happen.' Well, I did what I thought I had to do to survive," she says. When she heard a shuffle of feet outside the door she screamed for all she was worth. Her attacker beat her. Two policemen, probably alerted by a neighbor, broke down the door and arrested the man, then drove Donna to the Air Force hospital where she worked. "Of course it was full of people who knew me," she says. "It was completely embarrassing. And after that, nobody knew what to say. People avoided me, they looked at me funny. It was miserable."

Afterwards, convinced that getting on with life was the best thing for herself and her child, Donna carried on as usual. She was embarrassed that people who knew her also knew about the rape, particularly as she was still working at the hospital. But she couldn't remember much of the attack itself, and didn't try. So she was surprised when, four years later, her symptoms started to kick in. "I had no idea it was PTSD. I couldn't understand why I was so angry, why I was having nightmares, flashbacks, fainting spells, migraine, why I felt so awful, like my body was stuffed with cotton wool. Things had been going so good."

She started drinking heavily and went from relationship to relationship, finding men hard to trust and get close to. Convinced that she was dying and wouldn't live to see her next birthday, she went to the Air Force psychiatrist. " And that's where it started take this pill, that pill. I've been on every kind of antidepressant Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro, Paxil. Wellbutrin made me feel suicidal. Prozac did the same. The pills were just masking the symptoms, I wasn't getting any better."

Yet she met her "soul mate," Steve, and married him in 2000. "When I first saw him I thought, This is the man I'm going to spend the rest of my life with.' We were like one person, finishing each other's sentences,"she says. They muddled along, with Donna putting on a brave face. She had two more children. But getting close wasn't easy: "The longer we were married, the worse I got."

Once, Steve and Donna were watching TV when she had a vivid flashback to the night she was raped. "I looked at the door, I saw it open, and that feeling came over me all over again.

I thought, My God, why won't this go away?' Steve tried to understand, but unless you've been through this, you don't know what it's like."

Donna moved to South Carolina in 2002 when Steve also in the services was posted there. She began seeing a psychiatrist called Dr Marcet, who diagnosed her with PTSD and attributed it to the rape. It helped to know that whatever it was had a name and a cause: "I was like, why hasn't anybody told me this before?"It was Marcet who referred her to the Mithoefers.

Donna had never taken Ecstasy before. "I was a little afraid, but I was desperate. I had to have some kind of relief. I didn't want to live any more. This was no way to wake up every morning. So I met Dr Mithoefer. I said, Doctor, I will do anything short of a lobotomy. I need to get better.' "That's how, in March 2004, Donna became the first of Mithoefer's subjects in the MDMA study. Lying on a futon, with Mithoefer on one side of her and his wife, Annie, a psychiatric nurse, on the other, talking softly to her, she swallowed the small white pill. It was her last hope.

"After 5 or 10 minutes, I started giggling and I said, I don't think I got the placebo," ' she recalls. "It was a fuzzy, relaxing, on-a-different-plane feeling. Kind of floaty. It was an awakening."For the first time Donna faced her fears. "I saw myself standing on top of a mountain looking down. You know you've got to go down the mountain and up the other side to get better. But there's so much fog down there, you're afraid of going into it. You know what's down there and it's horrible.

"What MDMA did was clear the fog so I could see. Down there was guilt, anger, shame, fear. And it wasn't so bad. I thought, I can do this. This fear is not going to kill me.' I remembered the rape from start to finish those memories I had repressed so deeply."Encouraged by the Mithoefers, Donna expressed her overwhelming love for her family, how she felt protected by their support and grateful for their love.

MDMA is well known for inducing these compassionate, "loved-up"feelings. For Donna, the experience was life-changing.

So what happened when she went home? Was she cured? She sighs. "I don't know if there's such a thing as a cure. But after the first session I got up the next day and went outside, and it was like walking into a crayon box everything was clear and bright. I did better in my job, in my marriage, with my kids. I had a feeling I'd never had before hope. I felt I could live instead of exist."

What makes MDMA so useful, Mithoefer believes, is the trust it establishes. "Many people with PTSD have a great deal of trouble trusting anybody, especially if they've been betrayed by someone who abused their trust, like a parent or a caregiver,"he says. "MDMA has this effect of lowering fear and defences. It also allows more compassion for oneself and for others. People can revisit the trauma, feel the original feelings but not be retraumatized, not feel overwhelmed or have to numb out to cope with it."

Before they can take part in Mithoefer's study, every participant undergoes rigorous testing. There are 21 participants per phase and the study is now in its second phase. First, they must be diagnosed with PTSD. Then its severity is measured on the Clinician Administered PTSD Scale (Caps) it must be at least "moderately severe." They must be "treatment-resistant," meaning they have failed to respond to at least one other type of psychotherapy and also drug treatment with an SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) antidepressant. They must sign a 20-page document giving informed consent; they cannot have an addiction, psychosis or bipolar disorder, because these conditions affect the ability to give consent. Then they have a physical examination, a full medical-history check and lab tests for cardiovascular disease.

After the screening, the patient has two 90-minute "preparatory sessions" with the Mithoefers, to begin to build trust and get an idea of what may lie ahead. "We make sure they understand that symptoms will be stirred up, that painful feelings will come before they feel better and that they should experience them as fully as they can, and express them, rather than blocking them out," Mithoefer says. "We have one rule: during the session they don't have to talk at all if they don't want to, or they can talk about anything they feel like. But if, after an hour, the trauma topic hasn't come up, we can bring it up. But it always does come up," he chuckles.

The patient lies on the futon in the Mithoefers' living-room-style office in Charleston, South Carolina. They wear eye shades to encourage introspection, and headphones through which relaxing music is played. Annie keeps an eye on the blood-pressure cuffs and temperature gauge. Mithoefer sits opposite, taking notes. Each patient is given a recording of their session afterwards.

The patient takes either a 125mg tablet of MDMA or a placebo pill, followed by a 62.5mg dose about two hours into the therapy session. The study is double-blind, so only the emergency nurse who carries the drugs from the safe to the office knows whether the patient is getting the drug. "We can always tell whether it's real or placebo. The patient can't some people thought they got MDMA when they didn't,"says Mithoefer. "But we're seeing very encouraging results. There's a real difference between placebo patients and patients who got MDMA, in terms of their ability to relive the trauma."

Michael and Annie Mithoefer "aren't your typical kind of therapists," says Donna. She was dubious about Michael's ponytail and sandals when they first met, but she is emotional as she talks about him now. "I don't think I've ever met two people who cared so much about people getting well. I'd see tears in their eyes when I told them what I went through."Three other former patients of the Mithoefers who contacted me about this article described them as "heroes," "pioneers," even "life-savers".

At the time the Mithoefers treated Donna, in March 2004, their study had been a long time in the pipeline. Convinced of MDMA's potential, Rick Doblin, founder of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), had been in and out of the courts seeking permission from the Food & Drug Administration for clinical research since 1984. Maps, a group set up to fund psychedelic research, agreed to fund Mithoefer's study in 2000. The next year the FDA approved it. Then approval was withdrawn because of research by the neurologist George Ricuarte, at Johns Hopkins University, claiming that MDMA was lethally toxic. Even a single use, he reported, could cause brain damage and possibly Parkinson's disease. Ricaurte retracted his findings in 2002 when it turned out that bottles had been mixed up and the monkeys used as subjects had received lethal doses of methamphetamine (speed), rather than MDMA. "It was incredibly frustrating,"Mithoefer says.

Mithoefer's study, which looks set to cost $1m by the time it finishes in four years' time, is scrupulously monitored. Doblin had 1,000g of MDMA made specially, each gram costing $4. Mithoefer had to obtain a licence from the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which keeps track of exactly how much MDMA each license-holder has, and periodically checks the stocks for purity. A defibrillator must be kept in the building at all times in case of cardiac arrest, and an emergency nurse must be present during the treatment session. Once the study is complete, it will be subject to peer review. Then, all being well, Mithoefer hopes to see MDMA therapy available on prescription, administered in controlled surroundings, in 5 to 10 years.

Interest is growing in the UK too, but scientists admit it will take time to change hearts and minds. Dr Ben Sessa of Bristol University's Psychopharmacology Unit has been writing papers on MDMA therapy for two years. "The Mithoefers' struggle has been ludicrous," he says. "There's plenty of anecdotal evidence that it could be really useful in psychotherapy. There they are, qualified doctors with experience and medical backup, giving people this tiny dose of MDMA with safeguards in place. It took them 20 years for Maps to get it off the ground and it costs $1m. The irony is that thousands of people are taking this stuff every weekend and there's a 15-year-old on the street corner who'll sell it to you for a tenner."

Sessa would like to set up a program of research in the UK, pointing to the thousands who could benefit: "For severe, unremitting PTSD sufferers, it could be a lifeline. What they're seeing in the US is people who have suffered for years suddenly saying, Wow, for the first time in my life I can talk about this, I can live with it.' And these are not young ravers. They're people in their thirties, forties, fifties who have never taken drugs. It's quite remarkable."

But what about the potential for post-study abuse? Might someone who felt deflated after the elation of their MDMA session find the urge to self-medicate irresistible and pop to that 15-year-old on the corner for a quick fix? Not at all, says Sessa. "I prescribe Valium all the time, and when the course is finished the patient could go and buy Valium on the street, but they don't. Very few people are interested in recreational drugs."

I ask Donna the same question. "Would I take the drug again? Yes, definitely,"she says. "But not without a therapist. It's illegal."

Another former patient of Mithoefer's, a 42-year-old woman, had severe PTSD after being repeatedly and horrifically beaten and locked in a basement by her father during childhood. She wished to remain anonymous because she is still in contact with her parents. When I asked her the question, she replied: "I did it to get better, not to get high. Before the treatment, I would drink to hide my symptoms. But I don't want to get drunk now, let alone take drugs. I just don't need it any more."

The harmful effects of MDMA are still under investigation. The type of research that is carried out normally with animals or with recreational users who also take other drugs means that the exact levels of toxicity it causes are unknown. In 2006 Dr Maartje de Win of the University of Amsterdam published research showing that Ecstasy could cause depression, anxiety and long-term memory damage after one small dose. "We really don't know how much Ecstasy affects the brain in the long term," she says. "I would be very cautious about giving it therapeutically. We need to conduct much more research. And even then it should only be given as a last resort, after weighing the benefits against the risk of harm."

Sessa is adamant that research into MDMA is justified. "Look at heroin. It's a class-A drug that's dangerous when used recreationally, but it's used widely in medicine, and so it should be it's a very useful drug. Can you imagine saying to the UK Royal College of Anaesthetists, You can't use morphine or diamorphine [heroin] or pethidine or codeine or any opiate-based drugs because heroin is dangerous and people abuse it?' It's culturally bound. MDMA has been demonized."

In 2004, the most recent year for which there are records, 46 people died after taking Ecstasy, as against 8,221 alcohol-related deaths. And most of those who die with MDMA in their system have mixed it with substances such as alcohol or cannabis, which confounds the picture.

Earlier this year, the police chief for North Wales, Richard Brunstrom, called for the drug to be reclassified, claiming it was "safer than aspirin." He was widely shouted down, but Steve Rolles of Transform believes he may have a point. "It's not appropriate to have Ecstasy in class A. In terms of indicators of harm toxicity, mortality, addictiveness and antisocial behavior it's not comparable to heroin or cocaine. But the government won't reclassify it. Reclassifying cannabis [from class B to C] in 2004 caused years of grief from opposition parties and the media."

The UK minister for drugs policy, Vernon Coaker, declined to comment on reclassification for medical purposes, but a spokesman said: "The government has no intention of reclassifying Ecstasy. It can and does kill unpredictably; there is no such thing as a safe dose. We firmly believe it should remain a class-A drug. In addition, the government warns young people of the dangers of Ecstasy through the Frank campaign."

It does. But it also gives advice on safe Ecstasy use or "harm minimization." This is precisely the mixed message that Rolles believes is damaging. "Harm reduction is reducing the harm that's created by illegal supply in the first place,"he says. "So you have harm-reduction information within a legal framework that maximizes harm. It's a clear contradiction."

Then there is the problem of funding. MDMA therapy is based on the idea of a single treatment, or a course of treatment sessions, rather than long-term prescriptive use. This presents little or no benefit to drug companies that have huge budgets for research as long as there's a saleable product at the end. And if MDMA does prove effective, companies could stand to lose millions from lost sales of long-term antidepressants prescribed for PTSD.

Sessa says: "There's no financial incentive for the pharmaceutical companies to look into it. Psychotherapy is notoriously underfunded and discredited by the drug companies. It could benefit the government to look into MDMA, but their funding is a drop in the ocean next to a company like Pfizer's research budget. So who's going to pay for a multi-centre psychotherapy trial for 10,000 people the couch-makers?"

PTSD therapy currently costs the UK's National Health Service $28 million a year, and with more veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, that figure is set to rise. Last year, 1,200 new veterans sought treatment for PTSD from the organization Combat Stress, compared with 300 in the year 2000. But realistically, would the government ever sanction MDMA research? "It's not impossible, but it's improbable,"says Sessa. "It takes a very brave politician to look at the evidence and say, Well, there might be positive aspects to this class-A drug. Let's look into it.' It's a conceptual, social battle which won't be easy to win."

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Amazing article
Posted by: jnelson4765 on Jun 27, 2008 4:14 AM   
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I've known about the capabilities of some drugs to provide peace and tranquillity - and it's good to see that drugs like MDMA are being recognized for therapeutic work.

The motivations of the drug companies are a fascinating take on the whole situation, but not unexpected. After all, we need to have more and more SSRIs, each "more effective" than the last so generics can't be made. So little Johnny can be drugged into behaving the way his parents want him to, or to provide disturbed or restless people the numbness to get through another soulless day.

I've seen X work wonders on some really f**ked up people, letting them have fun for the first time in years. And the effect lasts, even without therapy. But noooo, we need yet another front on the drug war.

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Just a comment
Posted by: talkville on Jun 27, 2008 4:26 AM   
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It's not too fortunate that this chemical compound, this substance, bears the name Ecstasy, or that it is this name which is the more popularized with regard to the other: MDMA.

Indeed, this particular substance, Ecstasy, may indeed go a long way into resolving the condition of the 'cannon-fodder' which returns with all types of symptoms and responses to their experiences (short of Death, of course; in that particular situation, it is moot).

But in a more generalized and socio-cultural, Ideological way, perhaps the use of this name Ecstasy is precisely what we do NOT need much more of; it is much too intimately close to other terms, such as Rapture, Purity, Zeal and such. And that, to a large degree, is what has brought all these PTSD-experiencers and the rest of us into the thoroughly despicable and barbarous conditions we are all now experiencing.

That kind of Ecstasy is currently still seen in such locales as Wall-Street and Corporate Boardrooms across the globe, while more and more of the multitudes are being cast into just those conditions which become more and more similar to the very PTSD exhibited by all these returning Cannon-Fodder.

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nope
Posted by: socialpsych on Jun 27, 2008 5:23 AM   
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Peace is the most efficient and effective primary preventative treatment for PTSD.

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Cross The Bridge
Posted by: loxias on Jun 27, 2008 6:43 AM   
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Hey, the future is now. War is peace, poverty is happiness, right? Let's just go ahead and let the ruling class create an army from birth. It should be easy to get a motion through this current Supreme Court to take 1 out of every 3 or 4 children, put them in camps, and raise them on military propaganda and Ecstasy, no? Problem solved. Endless war with half the friction. If parents don't want to give up their child, they get a free chance to perform on Am. Idol or Dancing With Stars, or a free gun, their choice! Who would say no? A Democratic Congress? lol...

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US DRUG POLICY...
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 27, 2008 6:47 AM   
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....is very terribly broken. This story just confirms that reality. THANKS!

I hope Obama,when(not if)he is elected, begins to address US drug policy beginning with the fiasco of marihuana laws.

Another mess the poor man is inheriting.

Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 27, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Ecstasy probably doesn't generate much of a profit. The current attempts to treat the results of long term exposure to combat simple don't work. But it is a money maker. Ecstasy is not '1 every 4 hours'. It would be done in a hospital by qualified people. People are treated everyday in ways that would shock us, but they agree to it. A patient is entitled to experimental treatment if they are willing to take the risk. There's more worry about treating them than there was sending them to war in the first place. Thanks, ANNA

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It works!
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Jun 27, 2008 7:54 AM   
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It works great, but sadly our American health care system is a complete and total failure. Our mental health system aside from emergency crisis in large metropolitan cities is horrendous and may as well be an episode from The Twilight Zone.

Ecstasy works, and I would think the real help would come in the follow up treatments with caring professionals trained to work with you at your own pace and level. I do disagree on one thing though, and that is that you do not actually need to relive your trauma at all. Knowing the trauma existed is enough. I think "the cure" comes from understanding and having compassion for yourself and for those who perpetuated the issues that caused so much pain. I really don't think you have to re-visualize the beatings or the rage or whatever has occurred in the past. One simply needs to accept and move on.

It's very spiritual. The whole idea of forgiving. Christians often say to forgive, but the part that is left out, is that to forgive, one has to gain sympathy. So, ecstasy can assist the patient in gaining clarity by allowing them a window in which to view the incidents of harm in their lives and to find forgiveness by seeing clearly how even the abusers were victims of one sort or another. This is my angle. And yes, there are monsters that can seemingly never be cured of anything, forever ignorant, trapped in delusion, but we can still have a sympathy, an understanding of the great ignorance and from there we can begin to move on.

Moving on and forgiveness has another essential element. We must forgive ourselves for any sense of guilt or blame. Ecstasy can open the window and allow us a fresh view. These researchers are on the right path, but I wonder if they administered the drug without the requirement of bringing up the issue, would their results not be remarkably similar.

Many people need to relive their traumas, but there are an equal number who have relived their traumas too many times and with no measure of healing, that for those people, it may simply not be necessary to do anything more than take the drug in the presence of loving friends or trusted professionals in a safe environment.

It's sad that these studies must move so slowly and be so restrictive. If a single doctor in a lifetime has labeled you bi-polar, you cannot qualify for this particular study. People are labeled by psychotherapist on first visits, and those labels can be applied to them for life. Every time you are depressed, someone can say, "Oh, it's because that person is bi-polar, or manic depressive." Depression is a normal part of being alive. Doctor's use these labels to prescribe all sorts of toxic drugs as the story mentioned, many of them having side effects which can cause depression, and in some cases suicide. Ecstasy should definitely be re-legalized, because if a half million people can use this drug with so little overall harm, then in my opinion, it has already proved itself to be safe.

Why then all the problems with ecstasy? I don't know. Maybe it's just not wise to take drugs with psychedelic or mind altering effects on a regular basis. Maybe some people are convinced by religious institutions that guilt is greater than joy. Without guilt, many people would not be seduced by religious notions of being saved.

One can have a spiritual outlook, a religious conviction, and a love for God without guilt. One can discover insights about themselves, their world, the past and the present with a little love and compassion. That ecstasy can open the window of perception and may be a lot easier to take than traditional psychedelics may make it the true miracle drug of this century.

I think before ecstasy can be fully accepted and embraced though, there will need to be a great reform in the mental health system that clings to 19th century ideas.

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» RE: It works! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: It works! Posted by: xmvince
» RE: It works! Posted by: Joni50
» RE: It works! Posted by: Bibsisis
» RE: It works! Posted by: xmvince
» RE: It works! Posted by: xmvince
» RE: It works! Posted by: sheilah
» RE: It works! Posted by: Meridius
modern trauma therapies avoid retraumatizing
Posted by: Jasmin on Jun 27, 2008 8:31 AM   
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Modern trauma therapies like Somatic Experiencing and Sensorimotor psychotherapy and even EMDR understand that to take a person back into their trauma without some kind of resourcing or buffer is retraumatizing. I imagine that MDMA helps partially because it allows for a "higher" perspective where one can experience the trauma from a safer vantage point. There are many newer trauma therapies not acknowledged in this article. I have a chapter on trauma therapies in my book, Healing From Trauma: A Survivor's Guide to Understanding Your Symptoms & Reclaiming Your Life (Marlowe/Da Capo/Perseus, 2008), which you can see on Amazon or my website: www.jasmincori.com.

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Did they try weed?
Posted by: xmvince on Jun 27, 2008 9:05 AM   
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Ecstasy has very negative side effects on your dopamine reuptake. After taking X, you are very depressed afterwards (like a day after, obviously) and some people's brains do not produce the "happiness" chemical anymore, which results in chronic depression. It's a very dangerous drug, the positive effects may outweigh the negative ones, but it needs to be developed/tested further or a different drug needs to be used. Did they try marijuana? I bet that would have helped cure her as well.. A nice joint a day keeps your stress away!

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I do stress neurobiology research for a living - what a dishonest headline!
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 27, 2008 9:18 AM   
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Specifically, I study the effects of stress hormones on learning and memory. I feel like I say that a lot on these boards, but I'm just trying to establish some credibility on the topic.

This article, like many of the articles about medical marijuana, overstates the case quite a bit. It's a pretty good rule to not trust "mainstream" or non-academic sources to report science. They just do not understand the cautious nature of science. "Ecstacy Is The Key To Treating PTSD" ? - what a dishonest, ill-informed headline! It's frustrating to see the political "left" use dishonest hype, just like the right does. AlterNet seems to do this all the time. Oh, well.

By the way, I am quite in favor of medical marijuana and I think it's my own personal business what molecules I have in my own personal bloodstream.

MDMA is not a wonder-drug. At all. It has very serious neurotoxic effects, especially on the brainstem raphe nuclei, where most of your serotonin is produced. So there is bad along with the good. The good can be quite impressive- under the eye of a doctor and with a keen eye for addiction- but I have serious doubts that the "good" it has done and can do is because of its chemical properties, per se.

A main reason that PTSD takes hold is due to what stress researchers call "controllability" - meaning, how much control did the person have over the stress. Years ago, there were some famous experiments (which I personally do not think are ethical, and would not participate in) which established a concept called "learned helplessness". Basically, control of a stressor is what makes it especially bad or not that bad. (incidentally, this is the concept behind the torture techniques used at Guantanomo and Abu Ghraib, etc.)

Being able to take a pill that temporarily takes away the bad feelings can, for some people, make them realized that they CAN have some control over their emotions. That's probably where the effect comes from, and not from some medical property of the MDMA molecule. The same thing can be achieved with therapy but that takes time and is not so simple as popping a pill. My prediction is that the use of MDMA in therapy will cause quite a bit of harm along with good. Not saying that's what I WANT, but that's probably what will happen, if it goes more mainstream.

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» No, I'm not. Posted by: fanny666
» RE: No, I'm not. Posted by: inverse_agonist
How about creating, "The war on PTSD"
Posted by: sirios on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 AM   
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The drug companys, govt., law enforcement and the military are terrified of physchotropics because they have the potential to produce an uncontrolled truely free thinking human being. What these powers really want is to" cure" PTSD so that the person can go back to being a compliant productive consumer. Any thing that producers creative thinkers in this country takes on " a class one status". Early studies on LSD by Stanislaus Groff[spelling?] revealed similiar results on physchological patients as ectasy is having on PTSD. these chemicals can produce a dominate experience of peace, clarity and well being , while silmultaneously allowing one to encounter their trauma. the trauma in this condition has no power to overshadow the "ectasy" experience and therefore can be experienced as non threatning. the trauma is as if coated with "teflon" and therefore is allowed to slip out of it's rigid dominate position in awareness and relegated to memory as a normally stored experience. The lasting effect is the result of the shifting of the identity off of the mind, intellect ,ego ,body to that which these objects and thoughts appear in. conciousness. Groff, I believe, said, he could accomplish more in one four hour LSD session with his patients than a year of "normal" physcho- therapy. Life on this planet in war torn countries and elsewhere has in part become a daily producer of PTSD. Anything, that can break this vicious cycle of suffering should be utilized at once. May all those who are in distress find peace immediately.

History buffs, please correct me about my references to Groff, if need be.

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» Stanislav Grof was wrong Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Stanislav Grof was wrong Posted by: Malkavian
After suffering with this for years maybe someone will hear.........
Posted by: The Big Raven on Jun 27, 2008 1:23 PM   
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The fact that mmda makes one feel happy and gives a feeling of well being and love is a great begining.For love and acceptence is the ONLY cure for P.T.S.D. I know! When people are sent off to do thier "duty"for NO GOOD REASONS or OUTRIGHT LIES there is no moral backstop to help the person resolve the inner-conflict that happens to all humans after seeing and being in tramatic events or causing mortal harm to other humans who are truly inocent, this is the result of supporting the fake war of this week and what is really sad is the people who support war so blindly and then after they see thier child suffer only then they see the truth. I work with people who suffer with this only because when it happened to me I tried in vain to find some help and I found there is very little(REAL) help avalible. So my brothers and sisters if any of you are reading this and you feel like giving up dont! I really thought my life was over and through the love of others who understood me and a little hard work and a few changes in my outlook Im doing allright for most of the time.
PEACE

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» Love Posted by: Cathyc
Gee, maybe another PTSD sufferer, who we all know, could be helped by MDMA therapy...
Posted by: buddyedgewood on Jun 27, 2008 2:09 PM   
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John "PTSD poster child" McCain!

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How about Stopping the War? Or Giving some Xtc to Bush!
Posted by: common intelligence on Jun 27, 2008 6:47 PM   
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This obsurd idea , regardless of who proposes it or tests it, of undonig damage done, by subscribing another pill is the most irresponsible approach to helping anyone attain a sense of well being.

The facts are that those that throw themselves in harms way believing or being lead to believe it's their duty to protect a lying bunch of bastard politicians bent on world domination under the guise of protecting our "national interests" and "homeland security are looking ing for someone to give them a reason to live, in life.
KIlling others in any way is no reason. And I have retracted any sympathy for those that loose their mental health because they choose to join the military expecting to be sane when they get out after being made pawns for corporations.

The future children of the world are being pschologically damaged, genetically by continuing in the beligerantly acceptable attitudes that killing anyone or others is an acceptable approach to ridding animals or people that they don't like or are different than themselves.

The never ending killing attitude that has been going on in the middle east , whether between sheites and who ever or between Israellies and Palasteinians will never be curbed until the continues way of believing is altered. Fore the attitudes each generation reiterates is genetically carried from generation to generation, Yes it is in the genes because there ihas never been a break in the thinking pattern or belif systems of thes people and others that seem to believe killing has become an perceived necessity in an approach to stop being attached.

It's the same as the mind set that permiates the so called military "brats", children whom carry on and accept military life as the only way to assure a personal economic security of the family lines.

Not until hiumanity approaches intensional mind training to change the minds habitual repeated patterns of violence will there be true hope for humanity.

Implying that any pill or man made drug can reverse the damage done to a persons mind by leading them to believe killing is a necessary evil , "but we can repair it" is the most unconscious irresponsible approach to medicine I have ever heard.

Education and embracing the power of personal mental inquiry is the best "Peventative Medicine". Implying medine after the damage is intensionally done ( by default ) is Stupidity of the whole human race in denial of recognizing their true higher being.

I have no sympathy any longer for those who knowingly throw themselves into the path of harmsway and expect they will be undamaged.

Like a Dr. I asked one time if he wasn't surprised whow many people get shot by guns. He said, "no". "What is surprising though is how many of them never thought it would hurt so much"!

Idiots! MAybe if Bush and Cheney had taken XTC before invading Iraq we wouldn't be in this sickening situation in the first place.

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But it's illegal
Posted by: sicntired on Jun 28, 2008 12:23 AM   
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How many illegal drugs could have medical applications that current drug policy disallows?Marijuana alone is now being tested for many medical applications many that have been known for years.Our drug laws and the hysteria that accompanies them is responsible for so many doctors being afraid to properly treat patients with issues such as chronic pain that it is inexcusable.If the law was changed and research was allowed,who knows how many such uses we could have available?No one should interfere with what a person puts into their own body.This is even more basic than our bedrooms.

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It's called punctuation.
Posted by: captain sassy on Jun 28, 2008 7:29 AM   
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Get some.

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» RE: It's called punctuation. Posted by: peacefullaim
I have seen "Ecstasy" work wonders on PTSD
Posted by: drblack on Jun 29, 2008 2:10 AM   
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I dislike sensational names like ecstasy because they hurt its acceptance by the ignorant.
MDMA (N-Methyl-3,4methylenedioxyphenylisopropylamine) is an amazing heklp to people with PTSD.
I used to date a girl who had been sexually and mentally abused by an uncle from age 5 to 10. She had classic PTSD.
We both took some MDMA to see what it was like. We did no therapy or anything like that. It cured her of 95% of her PTSD and began living a normal and happy life.That cured her of the rest
One dose cured her PTSD. It was the most incredible transformation I have seen in anyone by far. It was amazing.
Once again she had no therapy and only took MDMA once and she was able to overcome 5 years of childhood abuse of the most cruel nature.
Repeal ALL drug prohibition now. The War On Some Drugs causes problems and solves nothing.
American Drug Policy is the most damaging and failed public policy in human history.

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STOP the WAR and CURE PTSD! EX is GARBAGE!
Posted by: williameon on Jun 29, 2008 3:31 AM   
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Americo does everything backwards!
We spend Trillions buying placebos instead of
Curing the Disease.
Why is, the cheap and simple answer always left out?
What, Big PHARMA, Doctors, Lawyers and The War Machine would be left out?
GOOD!
They are all Blood sucking Vampires.
PARASITES!

Ex is Garbage with a big down side.
There are plenty of less harmful, Natural Psychedelics!
Use them.
All should be supervised and taken in the proper setting.
These minds are fragile and can be healed.
Sure a glimpse behind the curtain (reality) would do them some good.
But, how it is done is important.
It can be a Pharma Nightmare or the real thing.
Enough with the crap already!
Give them the good Shit, for once in their lives.
But, what would anybody know about that?
They have always been treated like Garbage.
Expendable.

When we become more Human and less Robotic this will stop happening.
Why should we be Victimized, Tortured, Spied on, Shattered, Broken, then Discarded and TERRORIZED by The Shrub and Dead Eye DICK?
What A-s Holes!
Is there anybody lower?

Is this what we where created for?
Is this all that we have to look forward to?
Endless, meaningless, death and destruction?
It makes me crazy to!
To think, that they get away with it!
This Hoax!
Apparition!
SHAM!
BU__! SH__!

All the Drugs in the world, can never save us from these Monsters or cure the broken system that created them.
Only changing it will.
Can we become more Humane?
Can we be Better Human Beings?
When we become what we truly are,
Peaceful, Neighborly, Helpful, Brotherly Loving, Cooperative, Compassionate, Human Beings.
Be what we are, instead of what they are trying to make us.
Like them.
SLAVES

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Try this FIRST!
Posted by: williameon on Jun 29, 2008 4:24 AM   
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First try this:
PRSD is also triggered by loud noises.
The sensitivity to them can be treated by doing regular things in a safe environment with loud noises happening normally for a day and one half.

RECONDITIONING

All should be supervised and done in the proper setting.
These minds are fragile and can be healed in a safe environment, very carefully.
Sure a glimpse behind the curtain (Reality) would do them some good.
But, why now?
And at what cost?

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» RE: Try this FIRST! Posted by: WireHedd
» RE: Try this FIRST! Posted by: Bibsisis
» RE: Try this FIRST! Posted by: Joni50
this drug was used for years for treatments in PTSD...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 29, 2008 6:35 PM   
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then the blackmarket got a hold of it and presto... instant millionaires!

then came the cries of rape [which i think was GHB and not MDMA] and its finally being denied its usefulness in the pharmacopoeia of serious depression disorders and treatment plans...

this drug when used properly can save a lot of lives, and bring serious relief to those on the borderline of becoming PTSD...
Another drug that needs a serious second look at medical uses is LSD

anything thats abused will cause problems and be an issue but the problems are going to be minuscule when compared to the millions of sufferers of mental anguish that could benefit with these 2 drugs and proper counsellings and care.

to me its about denying effective medical treatment and in having choices of treatments

the government has no right to interfere with my choices, especially when its concerning health matters that are discussed between a doctor and his patient!

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Let Big Pharm Take Care of our Troops ...
Posted by: billgee on Jun 30, 2008 9:28 AM   
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... like they do everything else
What we dont have enough problems?

And who would administer such a well intentioned program

Lets have thousands of shrinks running around popping pills in Other Peoples Mouths (OPM) but not their own. Theyll end up with their PhDs and MSWs in hand and everyone else will end up a mess.

Time to Yell Fire.
Those who fight wars never like them.
Time to go home.

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What about MDPEA?
Posted by: WizardofOhm on Jun 30, 2008 9:48 PM   
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For starters, MDMA needs to be explained a little better so we all understand what we are discussing.
3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine is a two part substance. It's one drug built on another. The first is the painfully obvious methamphetamine, I assume there is no need to go into great detail on the adverse effects of crystal meth. The stuff is horribly destructive and is one of the few drugs out there that really deserves the punishment associated with it.

It is the drug that Merck transformed it into that has such marvelous results when administered to humans. The drug it becomes is known as a phenethylamine, a relative of mescaline. This phenethylamine is where the studies should be directed. This is the EXACT substance found in 'extacy's' sister- MDA. MDA has never been as popular as it's derivative because amphetamine does not have nearly the addictive rush that methamphetamine has. BUT... it still has that icky amphetamine with its destructive characteristics stuck to the phenethylamine.

The Solution? MDPEA. despite the extra letters in the name (nescessary to stabilize the molecule without the complex speed weighing it down) this is the base phenethylamine without the troublesome upper. This would have an abundance of benefits for researchers. Despite being illegal because of it's similarities, MDPEA is essentially unknown. It does not have the potential for abuse that it's cousins do, and along with that addictiveness goes the majority of unfavorable side effects that could be a hindrance to reclassification for medical purposes.
Another advantage to MDPEA is that it is a lot more difficult to synthesis. Although that sounds like a disadvantage to us, it is seen as an advantage by pharmacuetical companies and the government. It is hard to reproduce- that means less potential for street versions to flood the market and diminish the profit margin. It is also more expensive to create, which helps large companies to undercut smaller producers while maintaining relatively high prices and profits. That is the kind of stuff that puts finances behind research. Most importantly nobody knows what
3,4-METHYLENEDIOXYPHENETHYLAMINE or HOMOPIPERONYLAMINE are.

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» RE: What about MDPEA? Posted by: Malkavian
wow
Posted by: sheilah on Jul 4, 2008 9:55 PM   
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just how stupid are we as a country? i am a registered nurse, and it just never ceases to amaze me how stupid we are, not only as a country, but it seems, worldwide, on "unconventional" medicines, and their uses. i wonder, how many of these people setting in their ivory towers, making decisions for the masses, that havent a CLUE to what patients with PTSD have lived through, and a government that doesnt hesitate to send our babies (18 year old kids that cant buy alcohol, but can be sent to a foreign country and kill everyone--yet not old enough to buy a beer legally) to war, then try to help them with the trauma they must live with the rest of their lives, (do i need to say vietnam?) just how stupid are we? if we see a drug that shows promise, and is helping people that nothing else has been seen to help, can some one, anyone, tell me, for the love of God, why not at least be open to give it a try? it just never ceases to amaze me how little common sense we seem to have when we look to the government and their agencies that we vote into office and trust to hear the people speak. just how stupid are we?

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please stop saying DISORDER
Posted by: caru on Jul 5, 2008 4:31 AM   
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one doesnt say broken leg disorder. i believe the continuous use of the word disorder with PTS continues the bad view and bad care of this set of responses that a human has to untenable circumstances.

please stop saying disorder simply say PTS.

thank you so much for being accurate and not part of the medical misnomer machine .... (BURN YOUR DSMV!!!)

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