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Health & Wellness

Contaminated Veggies Are the Meat Industry’s Fault

By Allison Kilkenny, Buffalo Beast. Posted June 24, 2008.


The latest salmonella scare shows that even vegetarians are still at the mercy of the meat industry.
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Despite being one of the most grotesquely overfed populations in recent memory, Americans remain preoccupied only with the quantity, not the quality, of their food. They don't mind if scientists inject their french fries with high-fructose corn syrup as long as McDonald's super-sizes their order for a nickel.

Yet, the attitude toward vegetarianism is changing in the United States. While it's difficult to quantify how many vegetarians live within our borders, it's easier to observe the attitude toward vegetarians. Twenty years ago, "What're you, a Commie?" was a typical response to a confession of veggie brotherhood. Nowadays, despite the occasional stink eye, meat eaters at least understand that vegetarianism is healthy, if not a lifestyle particularly suited for them.

Even though the United States is more veggie-friendly these days, it's still difficult to avoid crappy food, even if one chooses to become a vegan, as I did six years ago. Despite my decision, I found myself projectile vomiting into my toilet last week. Diagnosis: food poisoning. Suspect: tomatoes. Unfortunately, becoming a vegetarian or a vegan doesn't ensure healthiness. Sure, vegetarians enjoy many health perks (low rates of: heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer, etc.) but we're still at the mercy of the meat industry in many ways.

For starters, the meat industry poisons the environment. A 2006 United Nations report described the devastation caused by the meat industry as "one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." Aside from global warming, meat production is a large factor in deforestation, wasted land, and air and water contamination.

Water contamination may play a large part in increasing reports of vegetable and fruit contamination. In 2007, a California produce company recalled bagged fresh spinach after a sample tested positive for salmonella. Nearly a year before, an outbreak of E. coli in fresh spinach killed three people and sickened 200. The recent tomato salmonella outbreak has affected at least 145 people, resulting in 23 hospitalizations, and many believe water contamination is the cause of the affected tomatoes.

It's not the veggies that are to blame. The problem is the meat. Salmonella is an animal pathogen, so it doesn't originate from tomatoes. Most experts agree that the bacteria probably come from groundwater contaminated with animal feces.

You read that right: Cow shit is in your tomatoes. Actually, cow shit is in everything: the water, hamburgers, other plant life, and if one ascribes to the hippie New Age belief that we are all one pulsating organism upon Mother Earth, then cow shit is in all of us.

But in a realer, more concrete sense, frenzied production lines coupled with lax management have resulted in a dramatic increase in food poisoning. The shitty (literally) food is so prevalent that it's affecting non-meat-eaters. While salmonella prefers fleshy fruit like tomatoes, our friend E. coli prefers leafy greens like spinach.


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Great piece, worth contemplating.
Posted by: TwinsFanatic on Jun 24, 2008 12:09 AM   
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Another reason to go vegetarian:

meat.org

And some more great info about food contamination, etc.:
Meat Contamination

Kudos to the Alternet for including veg and animal issues within their realm of progressive concern--so did Gandhi, Tolstoy, Schweitzer, Einstein, and many others.

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» RE: Posted by: sasquuatch55
themanwithadog
Posted by: the man with a dog on Jun 24, 2008 3:52 AM   
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No Shit!

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» RE: themanwithadog Posted by: MyLeftFoot
The author is full of shit
Posted by: bookie on Jun 24, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Salmonella is a bacteria that lives in the intestinal tracts of humans and other animals. It usually is transmitted to humans by eating food contaminated with animal feces.

There is no proof the salmonella comes from beef farming. There are plenty of other sources for salmonella. I have plenty of sympathy for the vegan lifestyle. But this article is simply an emotional rant.

So come on everyone, flame on.

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» So much for a reasoned discussion... Posted by: TwinsFanatic
» Oh, dear lord. Posted by: Biflspud
» I recommend Posted by: bookie
» RE: The author is full of shit Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: The author is full of shit Posted by: jareilly
» RE: The author is full of shit Posted by: undrgrndgirl
Cooking kills salmonella.
Posted by: colinmeister on Jun 24, 2008 4:15 AM   
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So I am happy to eat plenty of vegetables along with my meat, as long as they are well cooked. As long as people stay away from raw veggies, there shouldn't be a problem.

Another point which the author didn't make is that organically grown vegetables are very likely to have been grown using animal waste as a fertilizer. Manure has been a part of farming for a very long time.

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» RE: Cooking kills salmonella. Posted by: Frank J.
» Manure Posted by: 6ndi333
» RE: Manure Posted by: colinmeister
» RE: Manure Posted by: 6ndi333
» Composting Posted by: Cooltruth
» RE: Cooking kills salmonella. Posted by: zeldavross
» RE: Cooking kills salmonella. Posted by: HoboHomo
Yes and no
Posted by: BaruchZ on Jun 24, 2008 4:32 AM   
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Cow shit is not the problem. In fact cow shit, chicken shit, goat shit, rabbit shit...all great fertilizers. The problem is centralized "holocaust style" meat production.

Veganism is great for some bodies. For some folks, like myself, who have had traumatic injuries, protein needs can be more than a vegan diet makes possible.

It is possible to eat meat responsibly by growing it and/or supporting local farmers, and for me personally by understanding the sacrifice involved and at the very least having gratitude for the life given to support mine.

Permaculture! http://www.youtube.com/user/earthactivistas

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» RE: Yes and no Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: Yes and no Posted by: YogiBear
Salmonella conveniently coming from Florida
Posted by: scheherezade on Jun 24, 2008 4:36 AM   
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Salmonella is an animal pathogen, so it doesn't originate from tomatoes. Most experts agree that the bacteria probably come from groundwater contaminated with animal feces.

Can somebody with a Ph.D. explain how a tomato plant gets a systemic salmonella contamination via its roots?

According to various studies, researchers have been able to infect tomato fruit, sometimes, by glopping infected material directly onto the developing flower.

We're told some 250 people nationwide have been sickened with salmonella, but have been offered no evidence of how, exactly, we know it came from tomato plants.

Meanwhile, Florida tomato growers are having to pay laborers more, due to a recent lawsuit. If only something would come along and jack the price of tomatoes up, perhaps they could recoup those losses.

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Time to start ....
Posted by: farhada on Jun 24, 2008 4:49 AM   
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War on Cows!

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» RE: Mooooooooooo! Posted by: warble
It is ridiculous to blame meat
Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 24, 2008 4:51 AM   
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Meat is not the problem. The problme lies in how our society has decided to GROW that meat. Meat can be grown in the most ecological and sustainable ways, enriching the soil, utilizing in a healthful way large amounts of the earth's surface for food. It is far better ecologically to graze animals on much of the earth's land, than to till it and try to grow crops. Grass fed livestock is a great and sustainable product.
Man's ancestry is all about getting meat. It was almost impossible for early man, before 10,000 years ago, to live without some animal protein and fat. Our bodies have changed little, if at all, since then. Our bodies are evolved to ingest meat as part of an omnivorous diet. The most healthful diet for man today is a combination of meats and seafood, veggies and fruits and nuts, and NO grains or sugars, which are truly poisons for a large portion of our population, as can be seen from the rising diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, and heart disease, none of which are seen in hunter/gatherer groups. Eating Paleolithically is the most sensible way to eat, and if we support a meat industry that is environmentally sound, we have the best of all worlds.
You vegetarians can do what you want, but don't blame being poisoned, or environmental problems, on eating meat. It is unsound agricultural practices, most of which is in the growing of plants, and the processing of ALL of our food, that is the problem, not eating good, well grown, healthy meat.

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faulty reasoning is like fertilizing our thinking process
Posted by: QCao009 on Jun 24, 2008 5:26 AM   
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This is why and how vegetarians and vegans come accross as being full of it !!! This is why we don't believe the people who tell us to eat more meat to lose weight, and use as much splenda as they want to replace sugar.

The key to what we put in our body is a balanced diet, where quality is the prime and key consideration. In the guise of using better technology to increase production and to allow us more convenience, we have gone further and further away from that balance and that quality. The number of people switching to a vegetarian and a vegan lifestyle has precipitated more products which increase the convenience of our access, but not necessarily the quality of those products; conversely I am not sure how much longer, the access to fresh and quality organic foods is also going to be sacrificed through canning, through packaging, through processing.

It seems in most things we do here in the US, the profit motive changes the balance we value. As access to water and air decreases because of human engineering, we will have to sacrifice a lot of what we deem as convenience. Blaming fertilizer is not the answer. The answer is in the way each of us views the world, each other, and our part in the food chain. Being respectful to our environment is a good start. Blaming others and other species simply begs the question.

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Another possibility that noe one prior even mentioned
Posted by: Phred42 on Jun 24, 2008 5:53 AM   
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The conditions in the field for the farm workers can be rough even slave-like in some areas. Don't tell me that farm workers aren't forced (by circumstances) to take a dump in the middle of the veggies some times.

Is this another cover-up by the Farm owners to hide working conditions in the field, and by farm workers who don't want bad PR and get blamed for poisoning Americans?

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» Call BS on that! Posted by: devilsh
» RE: Call BS on that! Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: Call BS on that! Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: Call BS on that! Posted by: HillbillyBob
another alternet article ignoring the real causes and blaming meat...
Posted by: mnlefty on Jun 24, 2008 5:55 AM   
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I can't believe this one took two pages. Salmonella can come from bird droppings too. There is virtually no way to completely eliminate the chances of your produce being infected with it - maybe hydroponically grown produce, but blah. Cow manure as fertilizer has been composted and is clean. Plain old poop is a different matter entirely. Once again, factory corporate farming and mass production is more likely the cause. I can't believe as a vegan the author would even be eating conventionally grown tomatoes instead of organic. I eat meat, but I also make sure I know where my food comes from.

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vegans can be obese too
Posted by: somegirl on Jun 24, 2008 6:09 AM   
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people have different dietary needs and it's just plain foolish to ignore that.

i think the biggest culprits in this country's obesity epidemic are corn syrup and hydrogenated fats. eliminate them from our food system, and people's bodies will have a chance to normalize.

as for the food contamination, i agree it is silly to blame cows or meat eating. the author sounds like a hysterical teenager. even if everyone stopped eating beef, there would still be cows and other animals shitting all over the place. get a grip. the problem is factory farming and the loss of oversight and regulation under the bush regime.

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» RE: vegans can be obese too Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Knee-jerk as usual...
Posted by: loxias on Jun 24, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Amazing to find out that Alternet readers are as fast to misappropriate text as conservative pundits. No one is blaming MEAT, people. Can you make sense of words in sentences arranged into paragraphs? (Obviously not well) But why stifle an outburst just to make a reasonable reply, huh? The problem is the INDUSTRY. Over-production, mismanagement of waste, poor worker treatment, poor animal treatment. As soon as the author said the word vegan, people immediately feel preached to and freak out. Probably the same people who ride home to work shouting at the radio. Why the defensiveness? Eat what you want, but why defend a bloated, environmentally hazardous industry? May a hog-processing plant open in your neighborhood soon.

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» RE: Knee-jerk as usual... Posted by: mnlefty
» Good point, mnlefty Posted by: Cathyc
» Did you read the article? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Knee-jerk as usual... Posted by: HoboHomo
Just another scare
Posted by: billgee on Jun 24, 2008 7:09 AM   
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Even if it hit you, its a minor scare in a major Crisis
Save the World

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Biased garbage "Eat Shit and Die: Contaminated Veggies Are the Meat Industry’s Fault"
Posted by: the baron on Jun 24, 2008 8:39 AM   
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"frenzied production lines coupled with lax management" That about covers any fuck up. Period.

The vegan/vegetarian industry does not have a monopoly on being clean. Some of the "biological" pesticides have been proven to be 60 times more fatal to bees than any "chemical" pesticide.

Not making an attack just a point. No one has a monopoly on ethics, goodness or health. Regardless of what their ideologies or beliefs tell them.

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ahskwali
Posted by: sgreen on Jun 24, 2008 9:10 AM   
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Most folks are unaware that sewage sludge, particularly from hog factories, is being sold as fertilizer and spread on fields of vegetables. Human and animal waste disposal is a growing problem but is very problematic for the meat factory farms. They have been marketing the sludge as fertilizer for over a decade. There will likely be more cases of e-coli and salmonella in the future. Environmental organizations in the midwest have been fighting the practice but with minimal success. While buying organic might give the consumer a higher percentage of safety it's not a guarantee since organic and non-organic farms can be adjacent to one another. Run-off can contaminate the organic fields. We just have to know where our food is grown and under what conditions. The agencies charged with oversight are unreliable. For more information just google 'sewage sludge as fertilizer'. You'll unearth the entire debate.

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» RE: ahskwali Posted by: 6ndi333
» Manure Posted by: gellero1
Grow a Garden, Harvest Truly Fresh Vegetables
Posted by: luciennh on Jun 24, 2008 9:11 AM   
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Because profit is key in agriculture and in all of commerce, our food of all types will continue to make us ill...
Most of us have at one time or other visited grandma's house to partake in her newly harvested tomatoes, or even freshly picked onions in the quaint back yard garden patch. You knew they were fresh because the garden soil had to be washed off those that were dug up.

Grow a Garden, Harvest Truly Fresh Vegetables

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Best Headline Ever!
Posted by: fomented on Jun 24, 2008 9:14 AM   
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I used to worry about those little greens onions from Mexico. Now I know it is not a "them" problem, but an "us" problem too.

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Cows Poison the Groundwater?
Posted by: Elmo409 on Jun 24, 2008 9:16 AM   
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Having spent 12+ years as the person responsible for the water produced by our community water system, I'm a little bit skeptical of the claim that animal wastes poison groundwater. Surface water -- yes -- but groundwater?

Regulatory agencies worry a lot about public water supplies drawing from surface water or from wells that might be infiltrated by surface water. They also have requirements for testing and treatment of water. The water that washing the spinach may have had e. coli bacteria in it, but unless it was from an untreated, unregulated source then it is highly unlikely that the bacteria originated in the water. More likely, some of the vegetables were contaminated and the water spread the bacteria to uncontaminated vegetables.

If you want high quality foodstuffs, you have to pay for them. Either by having an effective regulatory agency that insists on testing and inspections or (my preference) by getting it from a local organic producer who is inspected and tested regularly and uses sustainable methods that might well include spreading cow, pig, or chicken manure on the fields.

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» Did You Expect More?? Posted by: gellero1
ahskwali
Posted by: sgreen on Jun 24, 2008 9:24 AM   
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In a perfect world, pure animal manure on the crops is an old and generally safe practice. Factory farms and urban sludge shipped to farmers fields as fertilizer is questionable since there are many more unknown variables in those environments. Yes, buying from local farmers is better. Growing our own gardens is better yet ... not always possible, though. Better oversight from the regulatory agencies must also happen.

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best. headline. ever.
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jun 24, 2008 10:07 AM   
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lol!

jdfu!

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» Monsanto is your enemy Posted by: Mexitli
» opps Posted by: Mexitli
» RE: opps Posted by: undrgrndgirl
well grow your own food
Posted by: Joe on Jun 24, 2008 10:46 AM   
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stop being lazy. on one hand you hate corporate america. on the other hand you want corporate america to service you. stop being lazy hypocrites, grown your own food.

look on the bright side, it will lower your CARBON FOOTPRINT.

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What's wrong here?
Posted by: devilsh on Jun 24, 2008 11:06 AM   
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Though it is easy to blame problems on the things you hate, but the truth is that meat production hasn’t been isolated as the root cause of the salmonella outbreak. There are two real factors at work here that are exacerbating the issue. First is farming has become a specialized industry. Because of the ability to transport products from anywhere to markets that were once unreachable, it has become profitable for a company to specialize in one particular fresh produce crop like tomatoes, spring mix, squashes, etc. While this is good for the farmer and workers (more specialization means more efficiencies in growing and harvesting, cheaper food for you and me) it doesn’t come without risk. One farm was responsible for the spinach outbreak last year. By all indicators, THAT contamination (E.coli 0157:H7) came from wild boar; not from meat production. It was probably a single tote of harvested spinach that was contaminated that then contaminated the entire production line for an hour. One farm, one tote, lots of people nationwide got sick. All the latest outbreaks fall under this model, spinach, green onions, etc. Tomatoes aren’t going to be different. It used to be that if a product was contaminated; it was geographically isolated and quick to stop.

The second point is; we as a society are completely disconnected from our food supply and are not aware where our food comes from. It used to be organic labeling was a way to buy local but those days are long gone as organic has gone mainstream. Even small specialty organic markets and farmers markets aren’t above sourcing their produce from Mexico, Florida, California and Canada. We expect to eat melon in December, fruit in fall and tomatoes and salads year round.

The silver lining of these outbreaks is that it exposes the flaws in our food safety programs including pathogen testing and product trackback protocols. In essence our food becomes safer. Blaming meat though is a bit premature it seems.

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» RE: wild boar? Posted by: lilith
your backyard garden ain't so necessarily pristine
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 24, 2008 11:20 AM   
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There are germs everywhere, and while some of these vegetarian True Believers have an almost Howard Hughes-like obsession with bacteria, I have to break it to them that germs are everywhere--even your idyllic backyard garden. I used to have a garden, and the neighbor's dog will come over and leak on your cabbage. The cat might decide to use your onion bed for a toilet. And of course the flies and bugs that alight on your Precious Produce--might have come from that neighbor's open garbage can down the street.

I grew up on a farm (and still farm) and used to help with home processing of food, including from Mom's garden. And believe me there are plenty of ways for germs to get into even the most carefully processed home foods.

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» So what's wrong with that? Posted by: Cathyc
The problem is not meat...
Posted by: Cathyc on Jun 24, 2008 11:21 AM   
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... as the author of this article claims.

"It's not the veggies that are to blame. The problem is the meat."

The problem is food (both meat and vegetables) contaminated with all sorts of lethal pesticides and chemicals that do serious short and long term damage to human health. In other words, the problem is the insane way the general food supply is mass-produced and laced with all sorts of toxins that are detrimental to those who eat such *shit*.

What's in that bag of fresh-looking lettuce/spinach? Stuff humans shouldn't be eating, stuff one can't see. Stuff that can cause projectile vomiting...

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Holy cow
Posted by: zorba1 on Jun 24, 2008 11:41 AM   
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I must be a walking bomb.
When i was a kid on our 1,800 acre dairy farm, one of my favorite pastimes was jumping out the third floor hay mow in winter into a big gushy pile of freshly scooped cow manure and piss.
Yeah man its true, i loved the smell and feel of that soft mushy cow shit.
It was warm to with vapor raising off it.
Weird kid huh?
Actually my nieghbor buddies came over and we made a game out of it.
Even today at 62 i love the smell of cow shit.
Told my wife they ought to make perfume that smells like fresh cow shit and fresh mowed hay.
She does not like that idea to much.
My mom and grandma did not like it much either,I had to strip and bath outside, then wash my own clothes but i thought it was worth it.
I almost never got sick in those days.
I could only do it in winter when the manure spreader froze up.
Like i said in another post we cut the hearts out of veggies as thats where the poisons collect, and we wash each leaf of cabbage and lettuce as things collect as the heads form.
Boil, stew, bake, broil, stirfry it.
In Europe thats what most people used to do, Americans went fresh salad crazy.
In many countries of the world "night soil" is used. (Human shit and piss) So when you travel be careful of "fresh vegetables".

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» RE: Holy cow Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Holy cow Posted by: zorba1
» RE: Holy cow Posted by: YogiBear
» Just plain stupid. Posted by: DJC
The solution? More inspections and enforcement of FDA regulations
Posted by: dwilliamsamh on Jun 24, 2008 12:35 PM   
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The solution is not the elimination of the meat industry. Contrary to your premise this is one meat AND vegetable eater who does not "see" that vegetarianism is healthy. I see sickly looking, allergy ridden vegetarians who live miserable live all the time. Just as often as I see omnivores w/ heart disease.

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What we eat
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jun 24, 2008 12:38 PM   
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Interesting that I just read an article in Alternet about how a school pulled a scam on students by letting them believe some of their classmates were killed by drunk driving. It was not true, and it traumatized the kids until they learned it was a "lesson" in the dangers of drinking. The point was that when people lie to kids or exaggerate, it often leads to kids not believing anything they are told.

This article is similar in that it's an obvious propaganda rant to convince people that eating meat or animal products is all bad bad bad bad bad. Why, it even hurts those who elect to be vegetarians or vegans. It's like second hand smoke; you can't get away from it!

Unfortunately, my experience with vegetarians and vegans is that they are mostly self-righteous, preachy, annoying, and pushy about their agenda. This is not 100% true, but it's the general tendency. It's like they are saying, "Hey! I have found the way, the truth, and the light. No one can be healthy or a really good person without following my guidelines." Sort of like most religions.

I agree that large agribusiness has extremely bad consequences. I even agree that eating a lot of meat is not a good thing. In fact, I even admit that perhaps being a vegetarian is better for the planet and maybe even somewhat healthier. But I sincerely get tired of the holier-than-thou routines by vegetarians. Recently one of them had an article on this site claiming it's impossible to be a progressive and still eat meat.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and very often vegetarians and vegans have some quite valid ones. But when the tone of the conversation is combative and condescending, it's hard to glean the positive from the barrage of nastiness toward anyone with a different inclination.

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» Temper tantrum... Posted by: Cathyc
» bravo leeanng! Posted by: undrgrndgirl
Just add water
Posted by: Lost in the Valley on Jun 24, 2008 1:22 PM   
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I've always found washing vegetables a great solution to any sort of dirt.

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Try and force us to eat a vegan diet
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jun 25, 2008 3:58 PM   
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That is, if you want to feel what a bayonet feels like when it hits your spine going in from the front to the back.

Starving us ominovores (who are free to eat what they wish) is a sure way to get a WAR. And I do not plan to be on the losing side.

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THat is because to many veggies, "response" is synonymous with "defense"
Posted by: Beck on Jun 30, 2008 6:56 AM   
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You read us as defensive because you've started out thinking we're wrong, so a response to you sounds like a defense. You think a response in general is a kind of affront because the fundamental viewpoint of many vegetarians here is that you expect no response whatsoever to THE TRUTH as you see it.

Giving up meat would be healthier if plant foods gave us any B12 (they do not; google and read the article by a very well-known vegetarian titled "Top Five Nutrients Vegetarians Lack" which states that vegetarians must do research to avoid short-term and long term consequences) and any significant iron. Spinach may contain alot of iron; unfortunately, humans get little or none of it. This is of far greater consequence to women than men, especially if the women are pregnant or nursing.

It's amazing that that article about the missing nutrients was even written, given the religous fervor to paint vegetarianism as a cure-all. And it's sad that probably not even 1% of the 2.8% of the US population that is vegetarian knows or feels they should pass on the fact that a vegetarian diet simply cannot be sustained for more than 2-3 years by most people. Start asking around. Many, many people say they were a vegetarian for about that long. If this diet made us feel as great as I keep reading, no one would ever take that first bite of meat again, ever. And if one of us did, according to all of you, we'd feel so dreadful that we wouldn't take a second one. This, however, is not the case. Most who have tried it gave it up. Most of you who are preaching here WILL give it up. And, having seen last week yet another example of someone who calls themselves a vegetarian eat meat, I greatly suspect that the preachiest of you eat meat fairly regularly, tell yourself it was just a fluke and this time you'll REALLY give it up, and proceed as usual, eating meat once or twice or three times a week, calling yourself "vegetarian" because you intend to be one, and preaching perhaps out of guilt?

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so is...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jun 24, 2008 2:22 PM   
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"healthiness" the medical/nutritional equivalent of truthiness???

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Thanks for pointing out the connection between meat and foodborne bacteria.
Posted by: ESloan222 on Jun 24, 2008 2:32 PM   
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I'm a vegan too and few meat-eaters seem to realize that veggies do not naturally carry E.coli or salmonella bacteria. They usually become cross contaminated from fertilizer or manure runoff. If we stopped raising animals for food, the problem would be decreased dramatically.

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Biased and reactionary
Posted by: zaxtervid on Jun 24, 2008 3:20 PM   
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Biased article with little or no evidence to support claims. Interesting how the author one hand goes against the grain by being a vegan, yet easily falls for the "obesity epidemic" nonsense, which is nothing but a bunch of PR spin coming from the insurance and diet industires, which serve to boost their bottom lines and keep Americans in a constant state of self-worthlessness. Which makes them spend more money.

And oh yeah, I've eaten vegan food. My personal opinion is that it sucks. I'm all for moderation, but extremism in any form just pushes people away from causes. Especially in America.

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Laughable lies and propaganda. Same as the other side.
Posted by: throck on Jun 24, 2008 4:50 PM   
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E-coli occurs in nature. Birds poop while flying. No one is safe. Ever. Accept the risks associated with eating or give up eating entirely. I will continue to eat.

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Fabulous article - Meat kills
Posted by: meria on Jun 24, 2008 7:56 PM   
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As a 7 yr vegetarian, it's disgusting that we have to suffer for the meateaters and animal pharmed food. We also pay a portion of our taxes to subsidize the industry that kills animals and people eventually and the world.
Americans know less about their food and what's in it, than any other country on Earth.

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Full of Shit
Posted by: hilly7 on Jun 24, 2008 8:02 PM   
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I read this because I like fiction, and bullshit. It's nice to see what the chemical, petro, and NWO are feeding sheeple. What are the facts?
1- The alternative to manure use as fertilizer is chemical, actually petro based.
2 - Corporate farming is an outrage, but different than family farming.
3 - Contamination that supercedes deforestation is soy beans and other crops.
4 - #1 contanination of water is pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers (petro chemical).
5 - Perhaps GM & GE created foods with animal DNA injected into vegetables and fruits play a large part.
6 - The reason that most countries will not accept meat, eggs, dairy, and many crops from us is because of genetically modified foods.
7 - For thousands of years people (self included) have used seasoned manure to grow crops, green manure will burn the plants up, ie: kill the plants.
8 - I will not even go into the horrors of the UN, but look at the cradle of civilazation, Africa. If these people are so ignorant and dependant, none of us would be here today.
9 - If you are young and reading this today, chances are you will not out live your parents, which many will not out live theirs.

Moral - Before writing such a piece, actually research, it's not that hard.

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» RE: Full of Shit Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: Full of Shit Posted by: hilly7
WHO ARE THESE SCIENTISTS???
Posted by: gellero1 on Jun 24, 2008 8:08 PM   
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"Some scientists claim the cure for salmonella and E. coli contamination isn't scrubbing clean the fruits and vegetables because doing so could remove the good bacteria humans rely upon for survival."

This is science?? Or made up bullshit. Perhaps the author would be so kind as to site the source.

But we know that won't happen....might ruin a good story for the ignorant masses........

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Author knows little about farmimg
Posted by: Tubeguru on Jun 24, 2008 8:38 PM   
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Of course cow shit is in your tomatoes. What do you think organic fertilizer is ? I grew up on a farm and we used manure on our garden and in the fields. Never had food poisoning from our veggies. The only way that salmonella poisoning could occur would be from fresh manure. The problem with that scenario is that manure that fresh would kill the plants...
Possibly what happened is that the farms were spraying manure "tea" and the manure used was too green,although spraying is an unlikely delivery method. Irrigation is preferable. Perhaps a wild animal took a crap on the tomatoes themselves. A wild animal is unlikely though because animals tend to stay away from tomato plants, they have a strong odor. Could've been a farm worker with salmonella poisoning and the obligatory diarrhea, when you've gotta go.....
Most likely contamination occurred after the fruit was picked. Someone with dirty hands.
At the end of the day I'd rather have manure on my tomatoes than the god awful chemical fertilizers that strip soil of its trace elements and essential bacteria.
I can't say as I blame the author for being down on the meat industry. If people could see
how the meat we eat is prepared and how the animals are raised and what they're fed they'd at least think twice about eating meat.(and that is a whole other rant...)
The author is just plain wrong in this case and there is no evidence to support her ill informed argument. Hey, if it really upsets you that much, grow your own!

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Just Use Composted Manure To Avoid Salmonella
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jun 24, 2008 9:03 PM   
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Not fresh ... anyone with any knowledge of organic farming can tell you that. The whole blame-the-meat-industry angle is just a red herring. If vegetable farmers do not use manure for fertilizer, they must use synthetic NPK fertilizers derived from petroleum.

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Bioweapon
Posted by: HoboHomo on Jun 25, 2008 10:01 AM   
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From my handy-dandy electronic dictionary:

Noun: salmonella (salmonellae, salmonellas)

Rod-shaped Gram-negative enterobacteria; cause typhoid fever and food poisoning; can be used as a bioweapon

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Out of the anus and into the frying pan.
Posted by: HoboHomo on Jun 25, 2008 10:45 AM   
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Seems to be an ugly stereotype: Mexican labor pooping on our home land's produce. Ay chihuahua!

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Sorry, 127 people getting food poisoning is no "crisis"
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jun 25, 2008 3:52 PM   
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I eat every tomato that gets near me. And if maybe I gotta hurl once every few years, life goes on.

Grow up people, perfect "safety" is a fantasy. Some cancer will kill you dead while you worry about "nuclear accidents" or "salmonella" or (for my right-wing nutball friends) the dreaded "terrorists".

Sorry to see you go George Carlin, but you were right, this IS a country of whining ninnys.

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It's simple, people:
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jun 28, 2008 11:28 AM   
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Thanks to the Bush War Against Our Government, There's no more--NO MORE--oversight, from the decimated FDA.

More to the point: illegals picking our produce are treated like the slaves that they actually are:

Can slaves just 'up and go' to the bathroom when the need arises? HELL NO! Pick that cot--'scuse me--I meant to say: Pick those tomatoes-what do you mean, YOU GOT TO GO! YOU DO? THEN GO! Nobody will notice if you accidentally get a little on the tomatoes...

Now multiply this scenario and put it together with the "lack of oversight" which is actually, "lack of staffing" at the FDA, and you'll get the idea. Hopefully in time for the November Elections...

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go ahead, eat a germ and give your immune system exercise!
Posted by: xonk on Jun 30, 2008 4:46 PM   
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In the day and age in which we live, where antibacterial soaps, air fresheners, toilet bowl cleansers, and (yes, I saw this one today) antibacterial window cleaner, (still trying to imagine the scenario where anyone's going to be licking their windows) people seem to be trying to distance themselves even farther from nature, of which we are still part... The immune system needs exercise. When I was young, (years ago!) my parents took us to measles parties, where the neighbors' children had come down with measles, or mumps, or chicken pox, and we played together, in hopes of contracting the disease. Great fun, sure we caught it, then we had our own measles party, and the neighbor kids that hadn't caught it the last time would get to try again. Didn't need vaccinations for it back then, getting the disease improved the immune response!
Living in a germ free environment is sure to put the immune system into a coma, so that when a germ does make an entry, there's no guard at the door, and then it's all over!
Getting sick is actually the immune system's opportunity to strengthen itself...

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Salmonella caused by Fish Genes in Geneticaly Enginered Tomatos?
Posted by: Thorslittlebrother on Jul 18, 2008 6:47 PM   
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Why is it that no one know were the thousand of sick peoples toamatos became infected with salmonella? I remember hearing about how the New Geneticalyy Enginered Tomatos had Fish genes in them to keep the Skin tough so they could travel farther to market... rotten Fish cause salmonella...

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