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McCain's Health Care Plan for Americans: Don’t Get Sick

Center for American Progress Action Fund. Posted June 10, 2008.


McCain, a cancer survivor, would be unlikely to get coverage under his own plan if he did not have government-provided insurance.
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While Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has revealed little about his health care plan, the broad outlines of his proposal represent a "radical" departure from the current employer-based system, providing less coverage and imposing higher costs. McCain envisions a system under which most Americans shop for health insurance on their own in a highly deregulated market, which would charge higher deductibles and co-payments and provide less coverage. Ultimately, McCain's vision places the 158 million Americans who receive their health care through their jobs in danger of losing coverage. McCain replaces the current tax breaks for employer-sponsored health insurance with a one-size-fits-all tax credit of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families, equalizing the tax treatment of employer and individual plans and enticing healthy workers to buy cheaper but less substantive insurance in the individual marketplace. But the departure of healthy workers from employer insurance pools would drive up average health costs, forcing more workers to opt out entirely. The entire employer health insurance system could unravel, "ending this as an option for Americans who prefer it," as the Center for American Progress Action Fund has noted. Among those who would lose their health care are 56 million Americans with pre-existing chronic health conditions. Thus, McCain, a cancer survivor, would be unlikely to get coverage under his own plan if he did not have government-provided insurance. The McCain plan offers a simple prescription for Americans: Don't get sick.

Less Coverage

Plans in the individual insurance market cost less but also cover less, and furthermore, provide inadequate safeguards against insurers who refuse to cover patients with pre-existing illnesses, deny coverage outright, or engage in other discriminatory practices. As Elizabeth Edwards points out, "Nine out of every ten people seeking individual coverage on the private insurance market never got it. Insurers will disqualify you for just taking certain medicines because of the possibility of future costs ... and insurers make it a practice to deny coverage to individuals in high-risk occupations, such as firefighting, lumber work, telecom installation and pretty much anything more risky than working in an office." Georgetown University professor Karen Pollitz noted, "It's true that the advertised prices for many individual policies in many states are eye-poppingly low. The policies often cover very little: $5,000 deductibles, four doctor visits a year, no drugs." In addition, individual plans have lower premium costs because state laws offer much weaker protections in the individual market than they do in the group market and therefore can avoid covering sick people. Moreover, as healthy patients develop medical conditions over time, their costs increase dramatically. In what is known as the death spiral, insurance companies in the individual market "stop accepting new customers in a plan" and increase costs for customers. "Healthier members find cheaper plans, but sicker ones are effectively forced out because they can't afford coverage," according to Consumer Reports.

Increased Costs

While McCain's individual tax credit may assist a limited number of families who currently lack any kind of health insurance, workers who receive a higher tax subsidy through employer-based plans would experience a tax increase. The individual consumer would also have to stretch McCain's tax credit to cover the ever-growing costs of medical premiums. McCain indexes the growth of his initial tax credit to inflation, not premiums. Since premiums grow at a higher rate than inflation, McCain's proposal could impose an estimated $3.6 trillion tax increase on workers. At the same time, administrative costs would increase dramatically. Individual plans would require greater "marketing and processing" and waste premium dollars on the medical review and legal costs of underwriting. According to a new study released by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, McCain's plan could generate as much as $20 billion in new administrative costs -- representing an increase of more than 20 percent in 2007 dollars. Since McCain's plan would allow insurance companies to ignore in-state consumer protections, companies would offer cheaper plans to healthier Americans, charging higher premiums -- or not offering any coverage -- to the sickest Americans.

Millions Left Uninsured

In April, Edwards astutely noted that McCain's plan offered nothing for the sickest Americans. In response to her criticism, McCain offered to subsidize state-sponsored high-risk pools to the tune of $7 billion to $10 billion. But experts suggest that McCain's proposed funding boost is "nowhere near enough (to cover the uninsured), particularly given the large number of people with pre-existing conditions who would need this help if employers send their workers out to the open market." In fact, historically, high-risk pools have led to inadequate coverage or high costs. "Only 200,000 Americans are covered by state high-risk pools, with health expenditures of $1.6 billion. This means that a similar national program funded at $7 billion per year would cover only 875,000 people -- a fraction of the 56 million Americans with employer coverage who have chronic illnesses. Even if participants had to pay half of their own premiums, as is generally the case today in state high-risk pools, less than 2 million Americans would be covered," noted reporters Laura Meckler and Anna Wilde Mathews. Most high-risk pools impose pre-existing condition exclusions on potential enrollees and have higher premiums, deductibles and co-payments -- preventing chronically sick patients from receiving the health care they need.

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McCain Proves he doesn't know ANYTHING about Health Care
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 10, 2008 12:13 PM   
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This proposal is stupendously BAD and when Elizabeth Edwards rightly points out that John HIMSELF could not get Private Insurance due to his preexisting Condition he makes it up on the fly by talking about helping to subsidize HIGH RISK State plans and pulls a number out of his butt as to funding .
Interesting that a guy who had the military pay for his recuperation after Vietnam objects to Employer provided Health Insurance . Let's not forget the benefits that Congress gets by dint of their being eligible for treatment at Walter Reed etc .
The idea of removing the tax break for Employer provided health Insurance will cause many to drop their plan coverage and there is NOTHING to force them to give the money to the employees so it will probably go right to the Shareholders .
As the article points out the chance of being able to purchase a good Family Plan for $5,000
is not very good . Individuals can't get the same rates that Groups can and are far more likely to have claims denied . It is one thing to have a Company to fight for your claim quite another to have to fight he Insurance Company on your own .
I myself have thought that the Dems should resurrect Harry and Louise and have them talking about McCain's Plan . Harry can note that his new policy will cover less and cost more than his old Employer provided plan . Louise could then chime in that AT least Harry could get coverage SHE has been refused Coverage for a preexisting Condition perhap a Skin Cancer (like John's) .

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» Problem with Obama's plan.... Posted by: bthespoon
NZ Reader
Posted by: GrantBruce on Jun 10, 2008 1:27 PM   
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We have a political party in NZ that wants to move to your health insurance model. Currently most health costs are paid through our taxation system. So whether you're working or not, rich or poor you get treatment. Where would you rather be ill??

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» I own a clinic in the US Posted by: wolfgangmo75
Health Care, Skyrocketing Oil Prices, Low Wages, War... Who Cares?? Let's Talk About SEX!!
Posted by: yellow on Jun 10, 2008 2:04 PM   
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I'm really disappointed that these other threads get way less attention than threads about the popularity of extra-marital relationships, sex industry workers, the comparative promiscuity of sluts vs. studs, and the new Sex and the City Film. I don't mean to be sexist but are most Alternet Users Women? And what did the Jews ever do to get women so upset with them?

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gods own country
Posted by: richholland on Jun 12, 2008 2:10 AM   
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- health CARE for everone
- un employment money for at least 3 years
-minimum wages $ 12,- an hour
- paid vacation at least 1 month a year
- mortgage quarantees
- payable education for everyone.
this is the western european SOCIALISTIC democratic system.

Why so many americans try to export their system, why they call this slaverymodel FREEDOM???
Nowadays tiny CUBA has a better medical record then USA.
When the communist ruled their propaganda was;
Communisme is better then capitalism
Capitalisme is bad for the majority and good for a small minority.

We didnot believe their propaganda but 50% was true.

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» RE: gods own country Posted by: BlueGorilla
A Huge McCain Vulnerabilty
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 12, 2008 4:09 AM   
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The Dems must be salivating on this one.

McCain's health care plan demonstrates how truly out of touch(on other than national defense issues)this candidate is.

If this plan weren't so pathetic and freightening it would be incredibly embarrassing.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Problem with Obama's plan
Posted by: bthespoon on Jun 12, 2008 5:33 AM   
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...is that it feeds the profit-driven health insurance companies that ARE (by FAR the biggest part of) the problem. We must eliminate their share of our health care dollar pie if we are to have any chance of solving the rest of what is wrong with our health care system. We need to unite into one very large and very protected pool under one set of nondiscriminatory rules in order to gain the transparency we need to save both money and lives. Obama has promised he will NOT help do that for American consumers.

"Cover children first," Obama says. Here in Illinois we pay $1750 per kid to health insurers while our kids receive $600 worth of medical care in return. Such a deal for health insurers, not so hot for us or our children. (The same insurers will use everything on our childen's medical records to discriminate against them the moment they turn into adults and have to switch policies.) Obama wants to take this mislead plan to a national level. No wonder health insurers are contributing more to his campaign than they are to McSame's. Our children are insurers' actuarial dreamboats (money trains) and insurers can't wait to be extremely overpaid for taking care of the healthiest group possible. Yay Barack.

It's sick people, small businesses and Americans over 50 that no insurer wants to touch with a ten foot pole, and those are the people we need to cover FIRST (because they're the first ones who are going to die if we don't).

REAL REFORM should not cost billions MORE but rather billions LESS. Any policy that feeds the beast that is the problem (insurance middlemen) MORE billions of our dollars (Obama) is a sham solution that will only extend and deepen the problem (which IS insurance middlemen). We're paying them too much and getting too little in return already; giving health insurers more money to line their coffers is not the answer. Moving the vast amount of money they're currently diverting from desperately needed care back to consumers and care givers is what we need, and we need a leader with the courage to do what REALLY needs to be done. It takes real courage to be a real hero.

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Definitely worth the flight to CR
Posted by: anneliese-nyc on Jun 12, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Much cheaper and better medical attention than the blood sucker medical community of the USA.

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Health Care will Be top Priority as Boomers Grow Older
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 12, 2008 6:47 AM   
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Having Worked in Long Term care and have seen the atrocities of it's system first hand, I feel this Problem has been Long Standing.
The Excuse is 'No Money' or Even more Heinous 'Such Funding is a hand Out'.
Now the Boomers are beginning to retire- granted many have Stolen enough to keep themselve quite comfortably through their Golden Years. Considering they were the Biggest Generation Group- why is it We still could Not afford the necessities required to provide Proper care for Our elderly. Why Now is their finally a Push to cover All citizens when Our Helath Care sytem has done a Crap ass job of truely Caring for the Old and Sick for so long?
I have No doubt the health Care system will suddenly be Well funded as the Boomers begin to have to rely on it.There will be Well funded Movements to Change to system so that They do not have to suffer and struggle under such conditions.
Of Course people like McCain Married the golden goose,so this does not concern him at all. Same goes for those who will still gain assistance from the last vestiages of Medicare and Medicaid- Sucking th elast few Drops out of it before they pull the plug.hell they 've already sacked their younger siblings and children of any possility of a Retirement Now anyway.Now telling US we'd better have our Own Private accounts if we have any thoughts that we could stop working before we fall over dead.
Oh and they will expect all to be at their beckon call for every wish and Whim their generation Dreams Up. They coudl careless what it demands of US. Tehy certianly did not care what price their Parents an dGrandparents paid to afford them their lifelong entitlements.
This Lil Sis wants to give all the Boomers who have F*cked Up this country a big Hug and and A Sicilian Kiss for All You've Done!

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OBLIVOUS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 12, 2008 7:07 AM   
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McCain has lived almost all of his life on the tax payers dime. School, medical care, a monthly disablitiy ck. ($58M Yr.), senator's pay, Cindy and a great retirement plan. Nothing wrong with it. But to be completely out of touch with the way most of America lives,despite his age shows a lack of experience and worse than that, a complete lack of caring. Case in point: voting against any and all help for veterans. Sounds familiar. 8 yrs. is enough. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: But...his JOWLS! Posted by: benzene
» RE: But...his JOWLS! Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: OBLIVOUS Posted by: opalescentscales
Richies don't need govt insurance
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Jun 12, 2008 7:15 AM   
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Richies like McCain--whose wife could buy her own doctor for cosmetic or cancer coverage--do not need insurance. That is for plebes like us--the 'folks' he demeans over and over in terming us as jest folks. WHY can't the American people, who pay McCain's health insurance--have the same benefit?

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» RE: Richies don't need govt insurance Posted by: opalescentscales
healthcare
Posted by: Levon on Jun 12, 2008 8:00 AM   
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It is immoral for to make money from peoples suffering.

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» RE: healthcare (morality?) Posted by: Old Skeptic
» Universal Care Done WRONG Posted by: bthespoon
» RE: healthcare (morality?) Posted by: Outsidetheboxlookingin
Help, save us from another idiot in charge
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 12, 2008 8:06 AM   
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You know as someone that has better medical benefits than the rest of us, I'm sure he wouldn't vote in Congress to change that. However, this man is really either suffering from Alzheimers and doesn't realize what he's saying, or PTSD is really doing a number on his brain, or he's so busy sucking up so he can be President that it's really not funny. In any case he just proves why he doesn't need to be considered for the West Wing. So much for the Maverick, I think it's more like the nag - except his rich wife will support her man.

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health care problems
Posted by: mtnprivy on Jun 12, 2008 8:57 AM   
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The problem with the health care system is not the greedy wolves making a living as doctors, nurses, insurance salesmen etc., but it is US. We wait until we are sick to think about exercise and reading labels on the manufactured food we eat, and then we want a pill to get rid of 30 plus years of bad living.
We can't fix the system till we fix OURSELVES. If we earned a lot less money, but spent time in our vegetable gardens, or walking in a park somewhere we would be a whole different society. Instead we circle the walmart six times looking for that space that is right next to the front door. We wouldn't want to walk too far or anything.
Dr. Rick Lippin has a plan for the health care system that makes sense, and it is different from anything I hear out there. He has written about his points on alternet, so search it out.
Don't blame the system that is there, just ignore that system. It will only make your problems worse, anyway. Quite whining and go to the local farmers market. Remember, you can't have anything sweet till you have eaten ALL your vegetables. Go for a walk, and get to bed on time for once! That is my prescription.

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» RE: health care problems Posted by: CatDad
» RE: health care problems Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: health care problems Posted by: Outsidetheboxlookingin
» RE: health care problems Posted by: JERSEYDAN
» Exercise almost killed me Posted by: Maxwell House
health care problems
Posted by: mtnprivy on Jun 12, 2008 8:57 AM   
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The problem with the health care system is not the greedy wolves making a living as doctors, nurses, insurance salesmen etc., but it is US. We wait until we are sick to think about exercise and reading labels on the manufactured food we eat, and then we want a pill to get rid of 30 plus years of bad living.
We can't fix the system till we fix OURSELVES. If we earned a lot less money, but spent time in our vegetable gardens, or walking in a park somewhere we would be a whole different society. Instead we circle the walmart six times looking for that space that is right next to the front door. We wouldn't want to walk too far or anything.
Dr. Rick Lippin has a plan for the health care system that makes sense, and it is different from anything I hear out there. He has written about his points on alternet, so search it out.
Don't blame the system that is there, just ignore that system. It will only make your problems worse, anyway. Quite whining and go to the local farmers market. Remember, you can't have anything sweet till you have eaten ALL your vegetables. Go for a walk, and get to bed on time for once! That is my prescription.

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health care problems
Posted by: mtnprivy on Jun 12, 2008 8:57 AM   
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The problem with the health care system is not the greedy wolves making a living as doctors, nurses, insurance salesmen etc., but it is US. We wait until we are sick to think about exercise and reading labels on the manufactured food we eat, and then we want a pill to get rid of 30 plus years of bad living.
We can't fix the system till we fix OURSELVES. If we earned a lot less money, but spent time in our vegetable gardens, or walking in a park somewhere we would be a whole different society. Instead we circle the walmart six times looking for that space that is right next to the front door. We wouldn't want to walk too far or anything.
Dr. Rick Lippin has a plan for the health care system that makes sense, and it is different from anything I hear out there. He has written about his points on alternet, so search it out.
Don't blame the system that is there, just ignore that system. It will only make your problems worse, anyway. Quite whining and go to the local farmers market. Remember, you can't have anything sweet till you have eaten ALL your vegetables. Go for a walk, and get to bed on time for once! That is my prescription.

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» RE: health care problems Posted by: bornxeyed
If we all do what you say then
Posted by: bthespoon on Jun 12, 2008 9:14 AM   
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... are you claimimg no one will ever get sick or be in an accident or need health care?

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The title of this article
Posted by: willymack on Jun 12, 2008 4:31 PM   
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Reminds me of an "alphabetical glossary" of American terms I read in a National Lampoon magazine years ago. Under the word "Black", (as in black people), the description was "Don't Be". Mcstain is at least as worthy of a barb like this as other clueless numbskulls are.

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Songbird Mccain and "Missing, Presumed Dead"
Posted by: securacom-wtc on Jun 12, 2008 4:44 PM   
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John McCain was the primary opposition to the Senate Select Committee on POWs. He bitterly opposed any attempt to rescue any other POWs. This is very strange since John McCain was himself, a POW. The POWs that might have been rescued, would have been able to give testimony about the 32 propaganda tapes that John McCain made for the communists, while in Viet Nam. The 32 propaganda tapes are still "classified" so that no one can see them. http://www.rense.com/general80/manchur.htm
John McCain in "Missing, Presumed Dead"
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

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WHEN will YOU EVER learn?
Posted by: Prairie Waif on Jun 12, 2008 8:21 PM   
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The ECONOMY is tied to wages.

GM and other big manufacturere just announced lay-offs and plant closures costing somewhere in the neighborhood of 40,000 jobs, that doesn't include the spin-off jobs, the suppliers, clothing stores, etc. etc. etc.

BENEFITS PACKAGES!! What part of the USA ECONOMY do you NOT UNDERSTAND???!!!

People take jobs because they have benefits packages that pay a miniscule amount of their medical care after you take their deductable (and the fact they could only afford 40% coverage) and then there are the co-pays, etc. etc. etc.

A SINGLE-PAY SYSTEM means the jobs are not being outsourced to CANADA, EUROPE or other countries with Socialized Medicine where our people make living wages and have health care.

WHAT PART OF THIS IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??!!

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I don't understand a country that claims to be founded on Christian prinicples and yet behaves like a pack of wolves when someone is ill; wait long enough and we can financially feast on the carcass.

At this VERY moment, I have a brother-in-law DYING in a hospital in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. THAT should be *all* there is to worry about.

The insurance company, gave us another few weeks of coverage.

Nice of them, right? I mean, he could just die on the sidewalk, but they need to eek out that last drop of financial security from the family so, give the coverage then harass them for payment on the bill until long after the corpse has been in the ground and seasons worth of flowers have bloomed and died along with him.

Waif

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Don't Get Sick has been around long before McBush
Posted by: dayahka on Jun 12, 2008 8:26 PM   
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Don't get sick--at least not very. That has been around a long time. It exists in the private insurance systems as well as in government-sponsored ones like Social Security (where hospitalization comes with an upfront payment and limits, and medical care the same). As you might expect from someone who's just going to continue the Bush foreign debacles, so he is also going to do the same old for the domestic scene. But I wouldn't worry, as McBush hasn't a snowflake's chance in hell of being president; on the other hand, if Obama gets in (or even Hillary), there isn't enough money to fund anything but--If you get sick, goodbye fellow.

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what about Obama?
Posted by: Josei on Jun 16, 2008 1:36 PM   
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Isn't he in the same boat? Health care for kids and if you aren't a senator you are on your own.
Too bad Kucinch or Edwards or Clinton aren't running.

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Blind leading the blind
Posted by: bulldog831 on Jun 16, 2008 1:47 PM   
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Take control of your own health. The mainstream model we live in is disease maintenance(at your expense), not healthcare. Learn that only you can take care of your good health, that 99% of health problems are caused by what we eat, drink, and smoke.Take charge of your own health with Natural Hygiene or the Ann Wigmore approach.
You will have to give up processed food, sugar, salt, all condiments, caffiene, alcohol, nicotine, soda pop, drugs(legal and illegal). You will have to eat a simple, predominately raw food diet(fresh fruit and salad), and start exercising regularly. If that seems impossible, then continue to live with your ill health and your addictions to non-nutritive, toxic, carcinogenic, and energy sapping food and drink.
I now keep my health insurance just in case I need a trip to the emergency room.

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» RE: Blind leading the blind Posted by: opalescentscales
The USA could do with a bit of socialism.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jun 16, 2008 4:13 PM   
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The concept of freedom is so conveniently thrown about, used contradictorily, and misused that it has become almost devoid of meaning.
Nothing strikes to the heart of the freedom concept, more than the power imbalance between rich and poor.

Few can be really said to be free in a capitalist world,as we masses must always labour in order to be paid.Our fight for our own freedom,has taken the form of banding into trade unions,to improve our pay and conditions..ie to take away as many of the slavish elements of the owner/worker dynamic as possible.Through our percived political representatives we have sought to gain improved union and other rights and vital public services.For millions of people such responses, to the unrestrained free market, have given us greater freedom.

Somehow though,we are sold the notion that government help is a form of slavery,and a challenge to freedom..Not that this prevents the uber-wealthy,from sponging billions off the state (Lockheed -Martin and other war profiteers ,do pretty well when it comes to scrounging off the people).Hayek never seemed too bothered about this latter group,when he talked about the states erosion of freedoms...what happened there eh Fred ?

The propagandised and erroneous notion perpetuated by the ruling class,is that the dictatorship of the rich is freedom.Of course it isn't..only so many people can be rich,and class largely reproduces itself (with the exceptions held up as the rule ,in order to legitimate an unfair system).

Now I am no supporter of the lack of freedoms, available in the miserable Chinese and Eastern European regimes.These are the bogeymen,held up to scare anyone, who might be showing signs, of not bowing to the money.
There are though one or two good examples, of socialistic policies in operation too..the Nicaraguans and Chileans were doing okey till the USA took away their democracy,and Chavez has started to improve health and education in Venuzuala..this despite an undemocratic nation called America trying to curtail any fairness (the US elite obviously hate fairness)..also welfarism or market socialism has done pretty well in Scandanavia.

So really it would be wrong to write socialism off..it would be like dismissing capitalism because Chile and America's models didnt/dont work.

America's rulers seem to have made the US fairness-phobic,and disguised its class war with a flag,a myth created by Horatio Alger,and a non-Christian Christianity.
In reality what McCain is proposing is an attack on the living standards of the American people.In reality this is class war..the US right,(well there really aren't many politicians on left are there ?) don't talk about class,but they sure know how to kick as a class..and who to kick.

They aren't on their own,from France to the UK,to anywhere that welfare/education/health gains have been made by the masses..there is a neo-liberal attempt to "roll back the frontiers of the state"..no no,not the part that gives to Walmart and Lockheed,but the bit the ordinary Jo or Josephine relies on to,stave off bankruptcy.Freedom to be bankrupt and in the gutter,is one freedom that the rich never seem to share..funny that eh!
Even by the standards of the capitalist west,the US health system is a laughing stock,a model of how not to do it.For financial effectiveness,health outcomes etc ..the worlds richest nation is third world.
Forget what you've been told Americans,a public funded,universal healthcare system won't magically turn you into 1930s USSR,it will however give you a lot more freedom,if it is done right.

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