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More Americans Fear Losing Their Health Insurance Than Being in a Terrorist Attack

By Ezra Klein, The American Prospect. Posted May 21, 2008.


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If health insurance were cheap, we could all buy it. If universal health care could get 60 votes in the Senate, we'd all have it. But these two imperatives -- the need to control costs and the need to attract the 60 Senate votes required to overcome a filibuster -- point in opposite directions. This is the central paradox of health reform.

The most intractable policy problem is not, fundamentally, the 47 million uninsured or the fact that insurers have a business model right out of Dickens. It's cost. In 2006, the average family policy cost $13,600. This is why one out of six Americans are uninsured; they can't afford the premiums. An October 2007 Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that more Americans were "very worried" about being priced out of their health insurance than feared losing their job, their house, or being in a terrorist attack. And with good reason: Premiums have gone up 98 percent since 2000. Wages have not.

Corporate America's outlook is similarly grim. Better Health Care Together, a health-reform coalition that includes Intel, Wal-Mart, and General Mills, recently issued a report, Health-Cost Crossroad: Why American Businesses Urgently Need Health Care Reform. The paper warns that "health care cost growth threatens businesses, workers, and the overall health of the American economy," and frets that "if trends continue, health benefit costs will exceed profits in Fortune 500 companies in 2008."

Likewise government. Absent reform, government health spending would be 37 percent of gross domestic product by 2050. (The entire federal government now consumes about 20 percent of GDP.) David Walker, the U.S comptroller general, warns that "we have been diagnosed with fiscal cancer, and we need to start treating it." At the Congressional Budget Office, the normally staid Peter Orszag gives an Al Gore-esque slideshow on the looming threat of health costs that risk bankrupting government finances.

The question, then, is how to limit heath-care costs while still surviving the legislative process. A single-payer system would increase efficiencies, but critics fear that it would control costs excessively, limiting care. Politically, single-payer would mean restructuring about 17 percent of our economy and eliminating multibillion-dollar industries that provide tens of thousands of jobs. It would have to be legislated over the fierce objections of the Republican Party and all conservative Democrats. Conversely, many Republicans, John McCain included, advocate a radical shift of costs onto individuals, controlling spending by pricing care out of reach for tens of millions. Few Democrats or moderate Republicans -- or voters -- favor this course.

Kids First?

Looking at this blockage, many observers instinctively grope toward a political stopgap -- starting with kids, a very attractive and cheap-to-insure part of the population. Coverage for all kids, they theorize, could make it through the Senate. Once accomplished, the rest of the country would view that success and green-light full reform of the health-care system. The logic of this strategy fails on two counts. First, as George W. Bush's obstinance on the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) has shown, many Republicans view health-care expansions the way the National Rifle Association looks at gun control -- there's no such thing as a little bit. Second, both the Republicans and the Democrats who see S-CHIP as the road to socialism are wrong. Medicare, despite its popularity, hasn't advanced the single-payer movement. It just took seniors out of the constituency for reform. And S-CHIP hasn't even led to its own successful expansion, much less that of the whole health system.

Moreover, covering kids is just covering kids; it does nothing to reform the system. Universal coverage of children, grafted onto the existing system, could actually exacerbate problems of inefficiency and cost. Worse, politicians could posture as if they had made major progress on the health-care crisis, while in fact they would be letting it deteriorate.

Single-Payer by Stealth

Another strategy would incrementally move toward single-payer, alert to the electorate's fear of change. That's one lesson many reformers learned from 1994 -- know your audience. Among those reformers was Yale political scientist Jacob Hacker, whose book on the failure of the Clinton proposal, The Road to Nowhere, concludes that President Clinton had built a plan for wonks, not voters. Cost containment was front-loaded (global budgets, managed care) and required total restructuring of the system. Clinton's plan scared people, introducing unfamiliar and untested concepts like "managed competition" and changing current health arrangements. "They couldn't defend it in simple terms," Hacker says, "because it actually meant a complex set of changes for most Americans."

Following his book, Hacker devised a plan to avoid these pitfalls. His final proposal was embraced last year by the Economic Policy Institute and the Campaign for America's Future, the latter of which worked hard to push it to the candidates. The final plans from Clinton, Obama, and Edwards all looked a lot like the Hacker plan, with some crucial and perhaps fatal political compromises thrown in. More on that in a moment.

Hacker's plan works on a few basic principles. First, no one loses what they already have. You like your current insurance? Keep it, unless your employer kicks you off. Second, a new group market is created (the Health Care for America market, henceforth HCA), where insurers can compete for the business of individuals and employers (who can buy their employees in for 6 percent of payroll). Third, the group market contains a strong public insurer modeled on Medicare, creating competition between private insurance companies and the public offering. The hope is that the public insurer, which will not need to turn a profit and will be free of some of the perversities of private insurance, will prove the most cost-effective and attractive option, leading individuals and businesses alike to gravitate toward it. Over time, it would evolve into something approaching a single-payer system.

The Lewin Group, currently the gold standard in health-care consulting, has analyzed the Hacker plan and estimated that it will save about $1.04 trillion over 10 years. Some of these savings will come through basic efficiencies, both administrative and technological. But the savings depend heavily on the quiet cost controls built into the HCA. There, spending per enrollee will only be allowed to increase at a fixed rate of that year's GDP growth plus a half percent. Basically, the government mandates spending growth at a far slower rate than that of the private marketplace.

If it works, this has two effects: First, it saves money by mandating that a portion of the system -- the HCA -- spends less money. This, in effect, is the same way single-payer saves money. It simply caps spending and induces providers to use available funds more cost-effectively. But it also makes the most cost-effective HCA a progressively better deal for businesses to buy into, thus expanding it. Over time, more Americans end up within the cost-controlled structure. According to Lewin's estimates, the HCA would have an initial enrollment of 128.6 million enrollees (mostly individuals and small businesses), while 122 million Americans would remain in private, mostly employer-provided insurance. By 2017, the HCA would have 177.4 million members, while private insurance would be down to 93.5 million. Under these assumptions, the slower spending in the HCA alone would result in $1 trillion in savings.

Can It Work?

But therein lies the danger for the plan. The HCA is created to compete with the traditional private market. With its more attractive terms, the hope is that the HCA will largely overwhelm the private market, becoming a sort of de facto single-payer plan. Indeed, the Lewin analysis factors in this competition, and the brutal effect it will have on the private market, explicitly. "The combined effect of increased market share and a constrained rate of growth in Health Care for America spending would result in pressure on providers to shift costs to the private insurance market," Lewin says, "which will increase private insurance premiums and generate an even larger difference in premiums between HCA and the private insurance market."

But it isn't a single-payer plan. There's still a large private market to contend with, one that won't appreciate being knocked around this way. Private insurers outside the HCA will presumably compete in kind, only in the opposite direction. They'll attempt to cost-shift onto the HCA by insuring healthy, young firms that still offer private insurance at advantageous prices, and pressuring sicker, older companies and individuals into the government options. If they succeed, the risk pool in the HCA will grow expensive, the premiums will grow inordinately pricey, and cost savings won't be realized without cutting care, no matter what the government mandates.

Politically, a robust version of the Hacker plan remains a huge reach. Democrats weren't even able to attract 60 votes to allow Medicare Part D to bargain down drug prices, much less set them centrally. Even with a Democratic president embracing some version of Hacker, and a pickup of several Senate seats, many Democrats remain skeptical of price controls by government diktat.

While there are differences between the health-care plans of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama -- notably, the much discussed individual mandate -- they are both based on structure similar to Hacker's. However, while both include his new, "Medicare-like" group market, neither uses the group market to set cost controls. Given that this is the prime source of $1 trillion of Hacker's $1.1 trillion in savings, it's hard to see how the Obama or Clinton plans will adequately control costs. They will see some savings from administrative efficiencies and more cost-effective care, but these will be comparatively minor. Nor are Obama or Clinton clear about what employers would have to pay. So they have basically embraced the politically savvy part of Hacker's plan while leaving out the cost controls -- and that's before the insurance industry and Congress get into the act. We could be left with a system very much like the current one, just with more subsidies for coverage and more clearly structured insurance choices, but with relentless cost increases that translate into reduced actual care.

Bipartisan Reform?

Hacker, it should be said, is not the only game in town. While versions of his plan are getting the most attention at the presidential level, in Congress, the action is around the Healthy Americans Act sponsored by Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon. Along with Sen. Robert Bennett of Utah, Wyden has attracted 12 more colleagues, six Democrats and six Republicans, as co-sponsors. Given that any health-care bill will likely need Republican Senate votes, it's the closest thing to a viable legislative process currently in existence.

Wyden's plan differs from Hacker's in two key ways. First, it lacks a public insurer, meaning that there won't be public-private competition. But it compensates for that absence with much more radical system integration. Hacker's plan creates a new group market with about 44 percent of the population, leaving the existing private market with 41 percent or so and most of the remainder in Medicare. The success or failure of the plan will depend on which market can most effectively undercut the other. Wyden's plan, by contrast, does away with employer health coverage almost entirely. Rather than encouraging employers to transition to a single group market, as Hacker's does, Wyden's forces them to redirect all the money they were spending on employee insurance into paychecks. At the same time, it creates "Health Help Agencies," one in each state, which act much like Hacker's group market -- they're regulated structures where various insurers compete for business. No cherry-picking, no high premiums or denials of coverage for pre-existing conditions. Everyone pays the same price, but everyone has to buy insurance that's at least as comprehensive as the current Blue Cross-Blue Shield Standard Plan. There are subsidies for those with low incomes, and penalties for those who don't buy in. Medicare still exists for the elderly.

The Lewin Group also evaluated Wyden's proposal, and they see the possibility for even more drastic savings: $1.48 trillion over 10 years. In Wyden's case, the savings don't come from explicit spending caps in the group market, but because consumers who now see exactly how much they're spending on health care (before, their costs were obscured because employers paid most of the bill) will become more price-sensitive and choose cheaper options. Namely, HMOs. In other words, rather than asking the government to cap spending, as Hacker's plan does, Wyden's plan pushes individuals to do it. Lewin estimates that under Wyden's plan, HMO enrollment will jump from 30 percent to 70 percent, which will bring large cost savings, as HMO enrollment did in the mid-1990s.

As a contingency, Wyden sets up future cost controls if needed. Currently, it's impossible to impose targeted cost reforms because there's no system to impose reforms on. We have a health sector, composed of thousands of self-contained private insurers routed through myriad employers, not a health system. If the system is entirely under one roof, as it is in Wyden's plan, and as it comes closer to being in Hacker's plan, implementing cost controls becomes much easier. A public insurer could be the benchmark, and there could be better incentives to adopt best practices, with smart forms of cost sharing and incentives to only offer cost-effective treatments.

Overcoming the Blockage

But where the basics of Hacker's structure have a reformist political logic, Wyden's risks running into the same fears that detonated the efforts in 1994. By blowing up the employer-based system, Wyden's risks triggering the natural status quo bias of voters and insurers. In Hacker's plan, the majority of the country sees no change unless they volunteer for it. With Wyden's, the majority needs to buy new insurance. The question is whether Wyden's plan can compensate for that political risk by attracting more support from stakeholders -- employers who no longer want to run health-care businesses on the side and insured individuals worried about losing what they have. Also, to realize cost containment, Wyden's state agencies would need to define, which is to say, regulate, qualified plans -- a sensible policy that led the insurance industry to oppose a similar idea under a different name when Clinton proposed managed competition in 1993.

Moreover, both of these plans are in their idealized forms. Neither has been through the legislative process, or vetted by a White House, or larded up by special interests, or subjected to attack ads. Hacker's plan would face serious trouble attracting Republican votes. Wyden's plan would require a Democratic president's strong support to attract liberals, and it would have to persuade voters to let go of their present coverage.

Either way, it will be a tough road. But look at the numbers. One way or another, reform must come. We really don't have any choice.

Reprinted with permission from Ezra Klein, "The Elusive Politics of Reform," The American Prospect, Volume 19, Number 5: May 07, 2008. The American Prospect, 2000 L Street, Suite 717, Washington, DC 20036. All Rights Reserved.

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Simple ~ Medicare for Everybody ...
Posted by: mmckinl on May 21, 2008 12:20 AM   
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Cut out the middlemen and save 20-30% in overhead costs and profit margins.

Can't any leading politicians or prominent writers from the left just say it .,.,

MEDICARE FOR EVERYBODY...

Now , wasn't that easy ...

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» Now , wasn't that easy ... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Pointless. Posted by: heid
» I would like to see Posted by: bthespoon
BOOOOOOM
Posted by: carbon-based on May 21, 2008 3:50 AM   
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Managing ones way through our screwed up healthcare system is worse than a terrorist attack.

You stand a better chance of surviving a terrorists attack then an attack by your insurance provider as they refuse payments, increase rates and just make your life miserable!..

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» Right on! Posted by: kiel
eliminating multibillion-dollar industries that provide tens of thousands of jobs.
Posted by: nonaste on May 21, 2008 3:56 AM   
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This is one predatory industry that would not be missed. As far as the lost jobs. Too bad. We've already lost millions of good jobs to the fascist corporatocracy. These people can go out and find another job which contributes to society.

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Life is cheap and America is ruthless
Posted by: blogbooks on May 21, 2008 4:27 AM   
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Don't hold your breath.

You're only as valuable as the amount of money you can generate for your overlords.

Anyone without insurance is unable to generate sufficient income for the owning class and therefore worthless human waste that the ruling powers want to see die a painful, and preventable, death.

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American health insurers kill at least 101,000 innocent
Posted by: bthespoon on May 21, 2008 5:05 AM   
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...and involuntary Americans every year (study published in Health Affairs and Commonwealth Fund). That's like an airline full of 277 Americans crashing each and every day, or thirty-four 9-11's every year after year. They cost us at least $350 billion every year in health care dollars spent but diverted away from desperately needed care (according to www.pnhp.org). They needlessly and senselessly are responsible for the disabling, bankrupting and terrorizing of millions more. They rob us of our security and hard earned dollars, limit our health care choices and destroy our ability to remain competitive on all levels. Their business model for success is the opposite of a successful one for America. Al Qaeda can only hope to wreak such havoc upon us.

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The Lewin Group was bought by United Health Group
Posted by: bthespoon on May 21, 2008 5:20 AM   
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UNH, our nation's largest profit-driven health insurer whose CEO retired with $1.6 Billion (with a "B") in stock options (not including the hundreds of millions he'd already cashed out or his multi-million dollar salaries before that or his retirement compensation), bought the "gold standard" of health policy information under the guise of a UNH subsidiary named Ingenix. I believe we might need to reclassify Lewin as the Fool's Gold Standard. Lewin has said their new owner will not make a difference, but I am highly skeptical.

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KenTerry
Posted by: KenTerry on May 21, 2008 6:04 AM   
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Thanks, Ezra, for a very insightful analysis of the Hacker and Wyden proposals. Here are a few additional points: First, $1.1 trillion or $1.48 trillion over 10 years is a drop in the bucket. Annual health spending is forecast to double to $4.4 trillion in 10 years. Even if either of these proposals were adopted and worked as advertised, it would have negligible impact on the affordability of health care.
Second, any national or regional insurance market set up by the government is bound to fail unless everyone is required to buy insurance in that market. You hinted at the problem when you noted that private insurers are likely to lure away the healthy prospects outside of the government-sponsored market. This is a problem that the federal employee health benefit program doesn't have, because every federal employee who wants the government to provide insurance for him or her has to buy it through the FEHBP, thus insuring a broad spread of risk.
Third, cost containment through the mechanism of forcing consumers to buy affordable insurance is a race to the bottom. It would result in people getting the poorest available coverage, whether through HMOs or high-deductible plans. As a result of people not being able to access care when they needed it, health spending would accelerate. Moreover, the Wyden/Bennett plan is a transparent gift to employers, who would be off the hook for future cost increases.
If we want real reform, we have to stop thinking about how to change the method of insuring people. Instead, we should focus on changing how care is delivered and paid for, and restructure provider organization and incentives to get more value for the money already in the system. Any other approach is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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» Why buy health insurance? Posted by: Cathyc
» Cool Truth - right play - wrong game Posted by: wolfgangmo75
The Problem is Profit
Posted by: ChairmanMetal on May 21, 2008 6:25 AM   
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Democrats weren't even able to attract 60 votes to allow Medicare Part D to bargain down drug prices...

Here again, the influence of corporate interests on public policy is painfully evident. Radical campaign finance reform is absolutely necessary to end this madness.

How can any rational human being believe that profit is the proper motive to ensure delivery of quality health care? What is wrong with breaking even, earning a good living, and doing some good?

And a "good living" does not require that tens of millions of dollars be spent to compensate any one individual. For so long as greed run amok is tolerated, nothing will change.

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If It Were Easy
Posted by: Southern Gal on May 21, 2008 6:35 AM   
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The US has been working on healthcare reform since the first Clinton administration and before. The same obstacles are still in place except more powerful. The healthcare and pharmaceutical industries are stronger than ever, spend more money lobbying and are among the most profitable industries in a sagging economy. Reform for the healthcare industry and for health insurance will be a battle royal. Get ready to put pressure on your Congress and your Whitehouse, but expect that you will not get the product or end result that you want. Money is power and the people be damned.

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We're feeding the beast that is the problem
Posted by: bthespoon on May 21, 2008 6:47 AM   
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...by buying private health insurance, which is a captive (not a free) market.

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No-one is going to put Big Health out of business
Posted by: shellac'd on May 21, 2008 7:30 AM   
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No-one is going to vote to put the health care profit industry out of business. It's not about taking care of people, it's about the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle-class to the richest of the rich: the corporations.

Those we elect are never going to vote to harm their corporate masters.

America: The First-world country with a Third-world standard of care.

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» Its an Illusion Posted by: Cathyc
Great coverage of this issue
Posted by: chaoslegs on May 21, 2008 7:30 AM   
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Here are few comments:

1. Early in the article, David Walker, the U.S comptroller general, was mentioned, until he stops combining social security with Medicare and Medicaid, I don't consider him an honest person.

2. The small non-profit that I work for, which has health care coverage for less than 20, is facing 20% premium increase this year. But not because of our costs, but because of the costs of other small groups we have been bundled with.

3. In 1989-90, as a student in Toronto, I paid $180 for 6 months of coverage.

4. In 1992, while in Costa Rica, my friend Nils dislocated both joints on his pinky, they set it in town, but drove him 20 miles by ambulance and did x-rays in the bigger town in the region. His out of pocket cost was only $10 for all of that.

5. In 1993 when the US press was bashing Hilary Care and denigrating the Canadian system, I never heard a single Canadian say they wanted the US system.

6. If you are in a group plan, with your employer, then the insurer can NOT deny coverage on pre-existing conditions of an adopted child. However, if you have individual coverage, your insurer could deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

7. John McCain wants to allow the insurance industry to divide and conquer the US populace, so that we have to try and get our own insurance and have it be based on our risk, not the shared risk.

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» RE: Which came first Posted by: chaoslegs
» RE: Which came first Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
More Americans Fear Losing Their Health Insurance.....
Posted by: CatDad on May 21, 2008 7:55 AM   
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Hmmm....three or four color-coded terror alerts between now and November should do the trick to "change" minds. I'm not one to bet, but I'd be willing to put the odds of at least one terror alert before the election as the same odds that tornadoes will hit Kansas in the Springtime....

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An Excellent Idea First Proposed ...
Posted by: The_Curmudgeon on May 21, 2008 8:12 AM   
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... by a blogger in Jan., 2007, and found at http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/5089.

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Healthcare not health insurance, when will it change?
Posted by: solrev on May 21, 2008 8:25 AM   
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I hear all the time that we need to control healthcare costs, however no one ever defines what costs they are talking about. Doctors, hospital or clinic costs, patient transport and medication are the only healthcare costs that would be paid by a single social security payer. The actual payments made to doctors or hospitals would not have to be controlled at all. It would be a nightmare trying to incorporate the differences in geographical cost of living into the medical costs. Let the local markets work, except start with a windfall profit tax to take greedy people out of the game. A national database that could be searched by any variable in minutes would make fraud easily detectable. Hospitals and clinics would be non-profit institutions, submit a budget and maintain the budget. Local county social security offices would have to absorb the initial cost of displaced insurance labor, some of which would actually be needed to process payments and for data entry. If this would bankrupt the government, how does this not bankrupt insurance companies? We are not going to compete for the pennies on dead men’s eyes. We currently pay plenty in taxes to provide health care and not health insurance for we the people. The problem is not the people the problem is the government. Like Bernanke said the average taxpayer’s money should not be used to provide healthcare for the average taxpayer. So much for a government established to secure the entitlements of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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Alternet goes on a delete-my-comment rampage...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 21, 2008 9:02 AM   
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here it is!
Welcome to the Saudi Arabian Model (for the U.S., this time)

Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 21, 2008 8:24 AM
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In Saudi Arabia, guest workers are imported to do menial functions - it is essentially a legalized slavery system, in which workers that do not have jobs are immediately deported, and union organizers are treated similarly.

This is the exact goal of the U.S. Wall Street sector: destroy unions and organized labor, roll back everything FDR accomplished, and return us to an era of autocratic rule by robber barons who use slave labor.

The key element in creating this captive foreign workforce is to make sure they have no better opportunities at home - and the U.S. has been invading and destroying Mexico's economy with the assistance of the ruling elites in Mexico and the ruling elites in the United States, who both worked together to sign NAFTA and the SPP, against the interests of the vast majority of citizens in each country.

In Mexico, this means impoverished farmers are forced to either migrate to the U.S. or work in sweatshops for very sub-par wages. Those sweatshops used to be in the United States and had to obey labor and environmental regulations, but were immediately moved to Mexico after NAFTA was passed - since factory owners would rather pay $10 a day than $20 an hour to their labor staff. Thus, in Mexico, labor costs are abut 5% of what they are in the U.S.

This is why repeal of NAFTA is not a topic you'll see discussed by any elite-supported private institution. It'll be very interesting to see if the second installment of this series contains a detailed analysis of how U.S. trade policy, as determined by the ruling elites in the United States, has led to this immigration situation.

In fact, you won't even see a mention of NAFTA in this context here at Alternet, I imagine. Indeed, concerns about NAFTA and SPP have been portrayed here as a manifestation of xenophobia that would do the John Birch Society proud.

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The basic viewpoint promoted by these foundations re NAFTA is as follows: "While there is much more to know, it is clear that trade liberalization accompanied by robust environmental policies can help achieve sustainable development—just as freer trade without adequate environmental safeguards can trigger degradation,” noted Shantora. “The key lesson is that policy matters.”

However, the fact here is that it is not "trade liberalization" - it is capital liberalization, and that is the problem.

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» They're deleting your shit Posted by: meetmeineleusis
Piece Missed the Big Health Care Story...
Posted by: drricklippin on May 21, 2008 10:18 AM   
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... which is the econonomic unsustainability of high tech,high cost treatment based "disease care"(not health care)systems in any nation.

This reality will drive at least two imperatives going forward:

-federal guidlines or "god forbid" requirements for efficacy(does something actuallly work?)

-individual(health behaviors) and institutional(public health)prevention

Without emphasis on these we are spinning our proverbial wheels at best -headed over a very steep cliff at worst.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» RE: Hey CatDad- Stop Smearing Me Posted by: drricklippin
» Amen. Posted by: heid
Healthcare
Posted by: modeler on May 21, 2008 10:31 AM   
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I am going to be 88 years old this coming Saturday. I get my medications at $ 2.83 a pop, even if the cost is in the $ 1900 range as one specific prostate treatment. I do not have to pay my docotors visits, nor those to specialists as a Professor of Urology in a University Hospital of world renown, neither are there any costs for hospitalization. And that goes for anyone over the age of 65. And my country is not going broke. The US could well afford a similar system were it not for the waste of billions, nay trillions on an idiotic war experiment to bring "Freedom and Democracy" to Iraq. It seems that the interests of the oil industry and the Blackwaters, Halliburtons and their likes are more important than the well being of the American people. I am glad to be Canadian and not worried about the Bush like Harpercrite who tries to wreck my country in true Bushit fashion. He wont last much longer either.

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» RE: Healthcare Posted by: babs
» RE: Healthcare Posted by: halg
» RE: Healthcare Posted by: halg
DUH!
Posted by: woodford54 on May 21, 2008 1:13 PM   
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Thinking people do realize that they are a lot more likely to lose their health insurance than be attacked by terrorists! People are losing their insurance coverage everyday and some companies are coming up w/creative ways of accomplishing this. As for the terrorist attack thing....fear mongering...UNLESS we don't do anything about the idiot in the Whitehouse and we hit Iran. Then, I'd say the odds are about even. Of course losing your health coverage isn't your fault. Allowing Bush to remain in office, thereby provoking a terrorist attack IS. Again... DUH!

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Media propaganda
Posted by: LeeAnnG on May 21, 2008 1:35 PM   
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This week CNN had a short segment on the US debt early one morning. The commentator (I forget which one) said that the trillions of dollars of debt are due to Social Security and Medicare costs.

No mention of the $6,000 per second being spent in Irag, no mention of tax cuts for the wealthy, bridges to nowhere, corporate welfare, or off-shore tax shelters for large multinational corporations.

This is the kind of thing that scares people away from single payer systems. It makes the less informed among us believe that social programs are the largest suckers of their hard-earned wages that exist in the world today.

Simply lifting the ceiling on social security taxes would probably remove any problems with social security solvency. I'm not an economist, but I know injustice when I encounter it, and the fact that I pay a far higher rate of SS taxes than someone who makes over $200,00 a year is not right. And it's even worse for those of us who make minimum wage.

We need universal health care, and it's possible to pay for it. However, if the corporate media continues to spread the propaganda that our social programs are the main reason for our debts, there will be more fear than support among our citizens.

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dead end street
Posted by: sirios on May 21, 2008 1:40 PM   
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" turn around "the woman said to her partner ," we are going the wrong way " "no", he said "we can get there if we just continue a little farther". We need to just stop, and turn around. the present direction is not working. finding out how to pay for something that in the end is causing harm, is a disease. The entire planet and its inhabitants are in dis- ease . our individual and collective conciousness is in daily violation of natural laws, what we think feel and act out causes turmoil. we have even created a so called health system that is making us sick in part by ingesting drugs that subdue symptoms while silmultanously disrupt the entity. we are surrounded by toxic chemicals in our homes and unwittingly eat food that is laced with pesticides ,fertilizers and who knows what else. the govt. allows the chemical companys to poison us and then look the other way because money ,the economy, is more important than health. all of this and everything else takes us further away from internal and external balance, health. The patient has become ill in a way that the doctor does not comprehend. this planetary dis-ease will have to be replaced by a massive shift in the collective mind and heart of the earth and its inhabitants. impossible task? most likely if it is on the level of legislation, but not impossible if the mysterious unseen choherence that is the basis of nature steps in. barring the luck of that occuring, we as humans appearing inside of this unseen balance, could at the very least lead lives free from as many mental,physical and emotional pollutants as possible thus getting sick much less, and therefore reducing the need to strain the present system. it will be difficult to break away from a basic phenomenon of the world that keeps us trapped in ignorance ie:" the carpenter desires timber, the physician disease".

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» RE: dead end street Posted by: mtnprivy
"Will a new administration and Congress get universal health care right this time?"
Posted by: Rune on May 21, 2008 2:39 PM   
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As explained just a couple of days ago, the most likely answer is "no".

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Without even reading the article
Posted by: buddha's bud on May 21, 2008 2:45 PM   
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I thought America had a policy of "Not negotiating with terrorists", for isn't the act of giving them any attention at all, akin to a form of negotiating? The more ANY attention is given to their ilk, the more you hear about the dasterdly acts. I say quit giving them so attention and we'd have more money to put into health care. Hint, Hint get us out of Iraq, didn't that same phrase get used on Viet Nam?

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Universal (single payer) health care
Posted by: willymack on May 21, 2008 4:13 PM   
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Anyone who has taken the time to think about our voracious health care business knows it's time to join the rest of the civilized world and institute a health care system similar to Canada, France, or Scandinavia. To hell with the greedy, amoral bastards in the drug and insurance companies. They've proven themselves unworthy of our trust many times over, and it's time to dump them. The first order of business is to rid ourselves of the bushie thugs and their ass kissers in Congress and the Senate. This house cleaning doesn't have to be a total one, as once the worst of them are voted out of office, the rest will read the writing on the wall and fall in line. One thing that we don't need is a repeat of the fiasco that occurred during the Clinton presidency. A President Obama or Clinton MUST tell Congress and the Senate that he/she will not hesitate to go over their heads and go directly to the people for a vote if their complete cooperation is not forthcoming.

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YaDa YaDa YaDa
Posted by: bobtr900 on May 21, 2008 4:29 PM   
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There is no shortage of ideas. But the problem is always the same, the crux of the damn problem is always the Republican Party. It will jam up and stall anything that is good for people, because they worship only profits and they just don't give a damn about anything else. And their right wing religions endlessly support them in everything they do.So muc for their religions, so much for Pro-Life and Family Values. to them money comes first. It doesn't matter that most countries in the western world can provide their citizens with health care, it just matters whether it costs them money and if so the answer is no, no and N-O, no.

As long as the Rethug party runs this country with an iron fiist and poor people keep voting for what their religions tell them children will starve and people will get sick and die for want of medicines. As John Grisham, the famous novelist, said on Bill Moyers Journal: Republican voters are "people who vote rich and live poor".

Anything that has even a hint of socialism the Rethugers and their religions, mine included, will not allow. They call this Pro-Life and Family Values. They are fearful people and so the rest of us who cannot afford insurance will have to die.

It's the very same thing with a women who has an Ectopic pregnancy, which is almost a sure death sentence. Ask the Pope and he will let her die. Oh, yeah, he'll pray for her. I don't want to forget that. Same-same, nothing different, just stand around and let her die. You see Fetus' don't cost them anything.

If the child is born with Spina Bifuda due to lack of Folic acid(I think thats the one) tablets tough, just let the child suffer for his entire life and let the totally helpless parents die a little inside each and every day, each and every time they look at or think about their child.. So just screw 'em, let 'em suffer. And we all know suffering is so good for the soul. Never mind that medical science has ways to treat these conditions.

Lest we forget, the Pope has the best health plan in the world. So what does he care. And he just loves his Repub party, and they all deserve each other. Bush and the Pope, 'back together again'. I thinkBuck Owens sang that song. Sooo, da Pope goes his way and I goes mine.

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» RE: YaDa YaDa YaDa Posted by: CatDad
Which party or candidate will give us Non-Profit, One-Payer, Universal Health Care in 2008?
Posted by: halg on May 21, 2008 8:28 PM   
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Answer: The Green Party. The GP platform calls for exactly this kind of coverage for every human being. Damn it, even 3rd-world nations have health care for their citizens! And I don't see any nations clamoring for U.S.-style health care systems. Therefore, all of the arguments against true health care for everyone seem to be summarily disproven.

That said, can we please move on now?

All of the D and R presidential candidates are discussing plans for mandatory or otherwise market-driven insurance health care. And you can be sure the Libertarians will not permit anyone in their party to promote "socialist" notions of care, even if it meant that their oh-so-wonderful capitalist economy would be left about 1000 times healthier by it. (Canada's economy has been much stronger than ours during periods of recession on the U.S. side, largely because of measures like UHC). Penny wise, perhaps, but definitely pound foolish.

But you Dems will continue to rant on something to the effects of "well, the Democratic Party may not be perfect, but it's the best we have ..." which totally equivocates every issue you say you care about. Of course, my favorite rant is the old "the Greens would just spoil the vote for the Democratic Candidate," without realizing that they are giving up all chances of genuine universal health coverage, not to mention the end of violence at home and abroad, social justice (not just for some!), creating a sustainable economic system and thereby a sustainable environment, and a raft of other reforms too long to list here. See gp.org and click platform to get an idea. Still worried about spoiling the vote, as if there were enough Greens to cause that to happen (it never has actually, but that's a different thread, not here please!), then why don't Democrats support RCV and instant runoff voting? Why isn't RCV on the 100 days agenda for 2009? I know Obama supports this, but how much?

I don't see why Dems continue promoting their party when the party higher-ups have not supported common people for decades. You have to join a DP reform group to cause any change at all, and those are failing miserably from what I see. Face it, Hillary and Barak are just more of the same old thing (although I admit that Obama would probably be more steerable by the left). Please check us out and stop slamming us. We might just have some offerings that will help all people.

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Universal Pain; Effect of Economic and Emotional Depression
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on May 21, 2008 9:31 PM   
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Dearest Ezra Klein . . .

I greatly appreciate this tome. I recently read a Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured report.
The Cost of Care for the Uninsured:
"In 2004, uncompensated care is estimated to be $40.7 billion.

Uncompensated care represents 2.7% of the projected total personal health care spending for 2004 of $1.5 trillion.

The primary source of funding for uncompensated care is government dollars. Projected federal, state, and local spending available to pay for the care of the uninsured in 2004 is $34.6 billion—about 85% of the total uncompensated care bill."


I was reminded of a truth. In America, physicians realize the cost of health care and insurance affects the health of society at-large. For years, doctors have advocated for a Single Payer Not For Profit Health Care Plan. Many medical professionals think this program is essential.

While the Presidential candidates "promote" the idea of Universal Health Care, none support what might help cure the country's ills, a Single Payer Not For Profit Health Care program that insures all Americans.

Presidential aspirants will never hear tales such as Teresa Madison's sad story. Her experience reflects the reality of a broken Health Care system exacerbated by economic woes. The hopefuls will not learn of those deeply in debt and threatened with foreclosure. Those most severely affected will not have an opportunity to tell their tales. Many have already committed suicide. Others still contemplate the possibility. These persons do not attend fundraisers or rallies. They are too sick, tired, and financially strapped for these events.

Perhaps, we the people can bring the depth of Ms Madison's and other people's pain to the attention of Presidential hopefuls. Statistics tell some of what is, but personal sagas reveal more.

I invite your review and reflections. The essay speaks to Ms Madison's narrative.
Universal Pain; Effect of Economic and Emotional Depression

Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org

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I'm insured, but not happy.
Posted by: tatamchwh on May 21, 2008 10:35 PM   
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The insurance industry has profited from the health industry at the expense of both patients and health care professionals, who are both victims of this bunch of insurance corporation CEOs who siphon off health care dollars.

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CatDad- Stop Smearing Me
Posted by: drricklippin on May 22, 2008 1:26 PM   
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Have you bothered to read the dire projections of former GAO head David Walker on the imperative of cost containment?

I think the hospice movement which provides both dignity to the dying and cost savings is one of the very few things going well in US Medicine.

Stop calling me a "euthanagist"

I am a caring physician

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa

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The US can't afford,universal health care! Don't make me laugh.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 26, 2008 6:03 PM   
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It is a damning indictment of the World's richest country,that so many voices are questioning whether or not you can afford, a half decent healthcare system.

Look at the examples, of those countries with the best health outcomes,in the world.That is those countries which treat the greatest percentage of the population,to a good standard.. re infant morbidity,curing diseases,immunising against infection,treatment for injuries etc,and a whole range of internationally agreed measures of quality.

These are countries,which have a model based around meeting the objectives of providing the best treatment,for all people,regardless of ability to pay.

It is the same countries,which are at the top of the league's..time and time again.The Scandinavians,France,Germany etc.Even the UK ,which for a long period,had low (compared to the European high acheivers) state investment,is overall way ahead of the states..I think Cuba is doing much better than the States ..Which is just so sad,when you consider the disparity in GDP.

The UK suffered in the 80s and 90s,due to underinvestment,in the National Health Service (NHS),by the right wing,Conservative government of Thatcher.Thatcher had a pro-US ,bias,and a dislike of the working class (please note,the UK uses the clasification "working class",for blue collar ,and if you call any well paid ,blue collar worker middle class,then that person is likely to correct you).

To my mind,where there is a will,there is a way.Our post war Labour/democratic socialist government set up an efficient,universal,publically funded healthcare system..when our country was economically on it's knees (after helping others give the nazi's a kicking in WW2).
All excuses about affordability,of a socialized(or even slightly more socialized )system are pathetic excuses.These excuses are so laughable,that they are tragic.

The USA could really do with a good dose of socialism..(which does not mean immediate Stalinist mind control,before some buffoon,gives me their zomboid ,Fox-fed views).The wealth is so concentrated at the top,with those who seem the least honest,the laziest,and the luckiest.Plus inequality is getting worse.

Market socialism,as practiced in say Sweden for years,as seen in the UK welfare state..is more efficient than the "Rich-Aid" US health system.
There are no ,or relatively far less, hucksters,CEO's ,shareholders etc to pay,also nurses are not employed in any financially adminsitrative,role.We do have a lot of admin,but we have far more paitient contact than an equivalent in the States.

I am a nurse in our ,nhs,and when I talk,to US nurses,I am struck by the disparity in our roles.I work for the paitients,not some fat cat board members.It is rare that I have reason to be aware of the cost of treatment.Also we treat anyone,in need,not just anyone lucky enough to afford it.
Our system has deteriorated in the last couple of decades though,with Thatcherite cuts in provision (whilst allowing the private sector,to take from the nhs),followed by Tory-lite Blair's encouragement of business vultures, to get their share of the public purse.

It remains though, free at the point of use.It has enabled people to survive,and live long healthy lives,who otherwise would be dead or suffering lifelong injuries.

I don't know what the US media and political parties,have said about social-democracy..but it's not true.
Good luck to all Americans,who strive for a fairer health system,you have my full support.

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you deserve what you get...
Posted by: Bearzerker on May 26, 2008 9:08 PM   
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...AND WHEN YOU FINALLY GET MAD ENOUGH, MAYBE YOU WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

stop talking about doing something...
and just do it already!

until you you physically get off your asses and demand change your going to get just the basics that the your for profit system will approve!

get it yet!...
the buck stops at the voting public base, not with the special interest bought and paid for politicals that somehow got in on your dime!

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Health Insurance Song
Posted by: paintingtasters on May 27, 2008 9:28 AM   
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Why is this surprising? People will work a crap job they hate for decades just because it offers health insurance. People will do just about anything to keep their health insurance. Osama and friends only wish they had this kind of power.

At least you know a "terrorist" is out to kill you. With the heath care companies, you really don't know what they're going to do. You pay and pay but will they pay for the operation or treatment that can save your life?

I hate my health insurance. I hate paying for it but feeling in my gut that when I need it most, the health care company will do everything they can to deny my claims. Nobody should feel like this. I hate paying and watching the premiums rise and rise and feeling like the system is working against me. So I wrote a song about it. I don't know what else there is to do.

http://www.fandalism.com/index.cfm?songid=216157

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The System Definitely Needs to Change
Posted by: Liberty G on May 30, 2008 3:52 PM   
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1. Safe, cheaper, tested and effective natural, herbal and alternative/holistic health care is used around the world, getting better results for far less money.

2. The proclamation by big medical industry corporations that they have the answers and their methods are the only legit ones is quite false.
a. Conventional medicine fails a good part of the time - it is by no means as dependable as it claims. Large percentages of people in tests are NOT helped by the medications being evaluated.

b. Conventional treatments are dangerous - people are killed by their system-approved prescriptions, etc. at a rate of 100,000 or more a year. "Side-effects" affect even more - many prescriptions are to treat the sickness caused by other drugs!

c. Research is often mis-designed and biased because it is done or financed by those with a financial interest in the outcome. Bisphenol-A, the encocrine-disrupting synthetic hormone in baby bottles, other plastics and food cans, was found perfectly safe - by 100% of industry sponsored/connected studies. However, 100% of independent research considered BP-A of extreme concern.

Bottom line - we need prevention, including education about toxic chemicals in everyday life and products - and we need health care that includes a variety of modalities, especially the inexpensive, natural ones.

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