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Health & Wellness

The Suicide Drug

By Martha Rosenberg, AlterNet. Posted April 28, 2008.


Drug company spin does not change the fact that Cymbalta has been linked to suicide -- even in otherwise mentally healthy people.
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Ask about published reports of 470 completed suicides of people on antidepressants since Prozac debuted in 1988 and the drug industry will say that's depression for you. Without our drugs, it would be worse.

But how does Eli Lilly and Co. explain the mounting suicides of people given Cymbalta (duloxetine) for urinary incontinence or peripheral neuropathy?

The planned debut of Cymbalta, now Lilly's number two drug, was even delayed by the suicide of a non-depressed person in 2004.

Traci Johnson, a healthy 19-year-old college student volunteer enrolled in a Cymbalta trial hung herself by a scarf from a shower rod in Lilly's Indianapolis, IN laboratory while withdrawing from the drug.

Johnson showed no outward signs of depression and Lilly said she had been screened for mental problems, but staff conducting a concurrent Cymbalta trial made comments about her "mental history" to at least four participants -- perhaps to keep them from dropping out of the trials as a fifth of volunteers did after the suicide.

After Johnson's death, Lilly was ordered to stop accepting new volunteers for the study and to have continuing participants evaluated by an independent psychiatrist and sign new consent forms. But in another Cymbalta trial of 4,124 depressed patients just weeks later, four more participants took their lives, according to a Lilly clinical psychiatrist, Dr. John R. Hayes.

Meanwhile, reports from abroad, where duloxetine was already in use as a stress urinary incontinence treatment called Yentreve, were just as grave.

Twice the expected number of suicide attempts among middle-aged women were seen with the drug -- 400 per 100,000 person-years versus a baseline of 160 per 100,000 person-years -- said the FDA on its Web site in June, 2005, leading Lilly to abruptly withdraw its application to sell Yentreve in the U.S.

Safety data for Cymbalta and Yentreve obtained by reporter Jeanne Lenzer under a Freedom of Information request for an Independent Sunday article disclosed 41 deaths and 13 suicides, which did not include Johnson's or the four cited by Hayes, says Lenzer.

In fact, in an article titled," Duloxetine: new drug. For stress urinary incontinence: too much risk, too little benefit," in the December 2005 issue of French medical journal Prescire International, the authors conclude that the drug should not even be in use:

"More than 40 different types of adverse effects have been reported, including suicide attempts and potentially severe hepatic disorders. Duloxetine is metabolized by the cytochrome P450 isoenzymes CYP 1A2 and CYP 2D6, creating a risk of interactions with other drugs that follow these metabolic pathways. In practice, purely symptomatic treatments that have no documented efficacy but many adverse effects should not be used, especially when there is an alternative treatment with a positive risk-benefit balance."

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Martha Rosenberg is staff cartoonist for the Evanston Roundtable.

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Yet again
Posted by: talkville on Apr 29, 2008 4:39 AM   
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What the heck is "stress urinary incontinence" and "urinary incontinence" and "peripheral neuropathy", and why precisely has this condition attained such prominence and apparent universality that it needs to be medicalized and monetized and advertised ubiquitously on tv??

It seems our entire societies are flipping over and our "researchers" and "scientists" (mostly industry-specific, heavily funded by some public funds no doubt) are more interested in researching and exploring the Language to craft and design a host of New Disorders first and then designing a drug to fit it. Our times are not THAT different than previous historical periods, although we have experienced a literal Flood of toxicity given the Growth of such industries as Chemical, bio-genetic, and others. And no doubt there are some people who genuinely experience hitherto unknown or mis-understood conditions which require some sort of treatment. But such rapid and universal advertisements of conditions like these or like "restless leg syndrome" or others, where a pill is sold as if one is selling soap or some new trinket to make life more interesting is becoming genuinely alarming.

There is another concept, long forgotten, once written about in relation to all these issues. The Iatrogenic Effect. And much more serious attention needs to be placed on a demonstrable response among many of us which is the use of fear, insecurity and risk manipulation which can easily lead people into a modality of living a mild or severe hypochondriacal "life-style".

Health and well being directly affect our entire society and social relations. To place this need (NOT a want or desire) at the service of capitalist profit-seekers is only a recipe for massive waste, fraud and ultimately loss of lives as well described in this article. Proportion and scale matter. Strict and severe accountability should be accessible and enforceable towards ALL these companies and industries. It seems that in the name of Health they are making us sicker and killing us off needlessly one way or the other. Our system is twisted and is becoming a Gordian Knot if it isn't already. The Pharma-Academy-Medical-Insurance Complex has grown into a lushly living many-headed Monster.

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» RE: Yet again Posted by: Lauren
» Pelvic Floor Exercises Posted by: Artkansas
» RE: Yet again Posted by: talkville
» RE: Yet again Posted by: bornxeyed
And they worry about the 'effects' of Pot???
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 2, 2008 5:02 AM   
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There is a moral issue which needs to be addresssed in the US- a reality check.
The legislators refuse to legalize a naturally occuring plant that has been used by mankind for millenia-thus having Past the Longitudinal Testing 'requiremnts' for its safe use. They constantly misrepresent the actual effects- while ignoring the more harmful and dangerous effects of alcohol and along with their latest psychtropics.
When used in the state in which they appear naturally- these are really 'gifts' to man-from either God or nature. Just like food when not Reprocessed and tampered with- causing disease, poisoning, obesity...
Why aren't the 'faithful ' and the environemtnalist pointing out what a 'sin' it is for man to deny the judging the essential 'gifts' by proporting to 'improve ' Them? Industrialized Agribusiness has not only killed the family farm it is Killing US in unison with other such industiries as the Pharmacuticals, none are interested in truly improving the human condition (or anything wlse)- just Profit margins.

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» to be fair.... Posted by: inverse_agonist
INDICT AND CONVICT...
Posted by: drricklippin on May 2, 2008 7:01 AM   
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It is time to get much tougher on those responsible for "legalized drug pushing" in this nation.I'm talking about Big PhRMA.

Some of their behvaviors are downright criminal.

It is time to indict and convict those Big PhRMA CEO's who are clearly culpable.Fines are not enough. I for one won't be happy unless I see jail time convictions. The sooner the better.

Enough is Enough.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» RE: INDICT AND CONVICT... Posted by: Gravitas
Yikes
Posted by: Gravitas on May 2, 2008 7:31 AM   
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This is absolutely disgusting. Yet, part of me is so frustrated with the American public. How can they keep on trusting Pharma after all that is happened??? I support the harshest penalites possible for Pharma. But at some point the people need to turn off Dancing with the Stars and do some research on their own.

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» RE: Yikes Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: Yikes Posted by: jvaljon1
Headaches do exist
Posted by: KeithRichardRadfordJr on May 2, 2008 9:21 AM   
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Some have never gotten a headache and dismiss the possibility outer do too. Seems to be enough evidence some do get them in spite of understanding them or not. Same goes for other physical ills.

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Anti-Ds
Posted by: Noah_Scape on May 2, 2008 11:02 AM   
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There are so many kinds of new antidepressants, it is hard to keep up. What about Pamelor/ Nortriptyline? "The mechanism is not yet known" is all it says about how it works, so they don't really know what it is doing in the brain, much less the liver and so on.
Anyone have more info on Nortriptyline?

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» nortriptyline Posted by: inverse_agonist
» RE: Nortriptylene Posted by: mclemens
Deregulation and looking the other way
Posted by: willymack on May 2, 2008 12:31 PM   
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Remember reaganomics, union busting, deregulation, and privatization? This is what it's all come to. Howdaya like it now, kiddies?

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Add to that the super personification of corporations too.
Posted by: nightgaunt on May 2, 2008 1:48 PM   
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As long as corporations don't have to prove they have been good for the people to survive,they will kill and maim with impunity. Next on their list is nat'l soverignty which would make it even more difficult to stop them.
The courts have already abrogated their role in prosecution of corporations and have instead allowed them to decide their own fates. Nice isn't it. Fascism in the round.

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Be careful not to overgeneralize, folks
Posted by: dolgre on May 2, 2008 2:18 PM   
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As a former mental health counselor, I would like to add to Laura's (under "Yet Again") sensible comments. I am a 46 year-old woman and have also been on Cymbalta for about three years. Although otherwise healthy, throughout my thirties I struggled with bouts of severe fatigue, achiness and joint pain, and mild depression and its accompanying cognitive effects. I blamed it on having had two babies two years apart, working full time in a stressful job, on being fat, on not exercising enough---whatever. I tried everything to feel better, including alternative therapies, SAM-e, Zoloft, exercise and nutritional approaches, but still felt awful. I left my job at a point when I know I just didn't have enough to go around for work and family anymore, and decided to stay home with our last two until they started school. Maybe I just needed a rest, I concluded.

Then, after having gynecological surgery 4 years ago, it all got WORSE. I used to run 10K's, and for months, I could barely get out of bed from pain and depression. My world got smaller and smaller. It was a huge deal just to get up and drive the kids to school, much less go to the grocery store. The less I could do, the more depressed I got to the point that I couldn't enjoy my family or life like I wanted to because I didn't have enough energy to do anything or block out the pain from "overexerting" myself.

Finally, my nurse practitioner suggested I try Cymbalta. I researched it, and knowing all the potential side effects, tried it. Within days I was essentially the person I had been in my 20's, with energy, little or no pain and an ability to focus on the future again. I feel terrific, so much so that I am now in college getting a second degree in nursing, and I know I never could have done it without the Cymbalta.

We don't know why some people respond to antidepressants positively and some negatively. But there are people who's lives have been saved by them. What we need is good oversight by healthcare providers, and active participation by patients in their own healthcare decisions. I will continue to be vigilant, especially in regards to my liver, blood sugar and blood pressure, and if I go off Cymbalta, I will also be vigilant for negative signs or effects. But this medication made life possible for me again, instead of laying in my bed watching my four kids grow up with an invalid mom. Just because some people are not doing well on it doesn't mean it can't help others. We all just need to be good consumers and directors of our health care choices, as much as possible, and remember that all drugs are a risk, no matter how innocuous they seem.

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Been there
Posted by: mattcoa on May 2, 2008 7:49 PM   
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I've been on Cymbalta 3 different times, and gone through the withdrawl twice. I can say that it generally helps with anxiety, and is very mildly effective on depression, but it has its downsides. It starts to loose its effectiveness after about 2 months. It can make you feel like a zombie, I described it as being excessively apathetic. Although I went on and off Lexapro and Zoloft with no problems(or positive effects), cymbalta is different. When you go through withdrawls from cymbalta, it makes you go batshit insane. There are intense bouts of rage where you wanna just stab somebody in the eye with a poolstick. The constant "brainshocks", twitching limbs, deep depression, and an all around feeling of shittiness. You end up going through a whole lot of vodka during the withdrawl process. All in all, its an interesting experience, that is likely to cause more than a few people to kill themselves.

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travelerwtoo
Posted by: travelertoo on May 2, 2008 8:10 PM   
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BIG PHARMA STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

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Brain Chemistry
Posted by: mike_burns on May 2, 2008 9:29 PM   
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Everybody doesn't eat the same, and live the same lives. Mild differences in body chemistry may have a profound response to brain chemistry when trying a new drug. The sources of depression can be varied, as well.
Until they are able to isolate the exact chemical imbalance in neurotransmitters, people should be monotored closely when taking a new antidepressent. I have taken many, over the years. Many has been beneficial. There have been times that being a zombie was an improvement. Many people take zoloft. That drug created the deepest darkest pit I have ever felt, and I had the urge to jump in head first. If I had a strong belief in modern medicine, I would be dead now.
I went through some very tramatic experiences in the last few years. I am on lexapro, xanax, welbutrin, and effexor. I have become stable. My instability may not be from an adnormal brain unbalance. It may be the reality that I am dealing with is more that a normal, healthy, brain should be dealing with. There is cause and effect, stimulus and response. Where they are really screwing up is throwing the pills at people without a full diagnoses, and post observation. Insurance companies hates dealing with depression, is the problem. If it was high blood pressure, they would want me to come back, once a week, to see how the medication is working. Instead, you get, come back in five months for a counsiling session. Then we will see if you need to change your meds.

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I love my Cymbalta! :)
Posted by: fluffmuffinmom on May 2, 2008 10:06 PM   
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I've taken Cymbalta for about 3 years and so far, so good. I've taken antidepressants for....get this.... 21 years. I know what you're thinking, all I need to do is cut sugar out of my diet or do some yoga or stop watching tv or something...please, don't insult me.

Here's the deal: I have had Panic Disorder my entire life and suffered from an eating disorder & agoraphobia as a result of my unpredictable panic attacks until a doctor finally gave me a prescription for Tofranil (imipramine) when I was 24. My almost daily panic attacks came to a rather abrupt halt and I haven't had one since - unless you count the couple of times I've weaned off of the meds because I felt so good I didn't think I needed them any more! In between Tofranil and Cymbalta I spent a few years with Effexor - no panic attacks, but nasty side effects.

Why do antidepressants work for panic disorder? I don't know, my doctor is not exactly sure either, but we both know they DO.

My point is this:
In my OPINION, antidepressants are way over-prescribed. Lots of people who don't really need them take them. In my EXPERIENCE, when prescribed by an ethical, experienced, concerned, attentive, trusted psychiatrist, they are a godsend.

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You cannot drink on anti-depressants!
Posted by: Beepath on May 28, 2008 6:58 AM   
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I have a friend who complains, with head in hands, that her Paxil just doesn't "work." This, while nursing her usual hang-over. Heard a lady setting up chairs for an AA meeting say, "I have to smoke a joint until my anti-depressant "kicks in." Anti-depressants are getting a bad rap because it's not being allowed to do its job. If they didn't have to contend with the interference of substance abuse: pot and booze....well, duh, the suicide depression would be alleviated, ferchrissakes.

I wouldn't be alive today had I not been put on Paxil 15 years ago, and recently, Cymbalta. The Cymbalta is for diabetic pain because my feet felt like they were on fire. What a difference its made. Living clean and sober with the proper meds prescribed by a competent health professional is about quality of life. And you deserve it!

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