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Health & Wellness

The Longest Hangover: 23 Years as an Alcoholic

By Tania Glyde, The Independent UK. Posted February 12, 2008.


Getting plastered can only hide other problems for so long.
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I woke up in a cold bath. My neck was stiff and hurting, but it soon became clear that I wasn't dead. This wasn't supposed to happen. On the third go, I thought I had assured my demise by drinking as much vodka and smoking as much heroin as I could manage, and then getting into a hot bath. This time was supposed to be IT.

It became too cold to stay in the bath, so I went into the living room. I walked around naked for a while, and then slumped on the loo, mission aborted. I had been very, very lucky, but, even in this early morning haze, I knew something had switched in my head, and I was now on a mission to rebuild my entire life.

My third suicide attempt came at the end of a three-year period where pretty much everything that could go wrong had done so. My nomadic housing situation was an embarrassing disaster and had, in itself, driven me almost to a breakdown, I had been dumped by an agent who had been unable to sell my third novel, my health was ropey, I didn't have a penny to my name, and, if all that weren't bad enough, I couldn't even get myself admitted to a mental hospital.

After two years of this, I met a man who was a troubled soul, a coke addict and an alcoholic, who took me on lots of holidays in return for which I supplied sex on demand and an enormous amount of therapy. Suntan aside, I paid a very heavy price for this relationship. When I discovered the extent of his dishonesty -- the receipts, the condoms -- I unravelled for the last time, not helped by the amount of cocaine I was taking. I look back and cringe at my total lack of self-respect, and anyone might have thought I was determined to destroy myself. But let's remember: like guns, alcohol and drugs don't kill people -- people kill people.

I'm well aware that a person can be a problem drinker without ever touching illegal substances, but for me, and millions of others, alcohol was the ultimate "gateway drug". Although, bizarrely, I lost my virginity sober, I didn't have sober sex for another 23 years , and every other new substance or behaviour I tried was done while cushioned in alcohol. People do more sexual, narcotic, or violent things under the influence of booze than anything else. It's the sheer weight of numbers that I can't get over.

I just don't know why governments don't do anything about all the crime that's committed, day in and day out, which, without alcohol in the mix, simply wouldn't happen. Alcohol is, exponentially, an bigger gateway drug than cannabis has ever been or ever will be, and it's about time that the Government woke up and stopped wasting everyone's time with the "war on drugs", which is about as nonsensical as the "war on terror". And now it's January, official "wagon" month in the modern British citizen's calendar. Everybody's doing what they spend the rest of the year talking about -- giving up alcohol and other intoxicants. People are desperately proud of their January abstinence, not least because this excessive self-denial will entitle them to party all the harder come 1 February.

I remember one of these parties, called Candle Massive by the hosts, in homage to the religious festival. The day leading up to that party sums up my final drinking years pretty well. I got up in the morning incredibly depressed and desperate to talk to someone, but turned up for my appointment at the mental health unit only to be told I had got the wrong day. Reception claimed that this was my fault, and, when I protested, the security guard stepped forward in that staggeringly inappropriate way they do in hospitals. This being the NHS, there was, of course, not a respite counsellor. I nearly, so nearly, threw myself under an ambulance. In the evening I did a spoken-word gig at the ICA, where one of my fellow performers cunningly stepped on to the stage while I was reaching the climax of my piece, spoiling the effect completely. Afterwards, at pay time, the promoter made a great show of writing another performer's cheque away from where I could see the amount.

I got to the party at midnight, where a social worker sat on the bed, blissfully hugging a mirror laden with all manner of powders and pills, and teachers, lawyers and media types craned over all the available flat surfaces, and took it in turns with a straw. Sometime in the early morning, when our noses were crusted and we were all shouting, a man told a group of us girls that he would give us each a line of Charlie in return for a lick of our you-know-whats. Without a second thought, we formed a queue.

There was no way I was going to give up my only source of pleasure in life. How do you give up alcohol for good, in our culture -- a culture where people rush to the bar like starving animals at any opportunity, and where celebration and ritual have been completely obliterated in the name of -- what?


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Um....
Posted by: Longdream on Feb 12, 2008 4:37 PM   
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Ho-hum?

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» RE: Um.... Posted by: GEM-592
I couldn't help but notice
Posted by: lib3288 on Feb 12, 2008 6:04 PM   
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it sounds like you're trail-blazing your way straight back to the bottle!

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» RE: Hear, hear aethr! Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» RE: Hear, hear aethr! Posted by: aussidawg
» Information Posted by: jmooney
A Courageous Article
Posted by: jpandjf on Feb 12, 2008 6:28 PM   
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As someone who has dealt with many alcoholics both personally and professionally, I feel certain that lots of people with substance abuse problems---women especially---would find this useful and even inspiring. The most primal stories are "reruns", sure---but they're new each time a new person experiences them. I don't think that AA is for everyone, either, but in sharing her story, the author is engaging in much of what that org. encourages: Taking a fearless inventory of oneself, and sharing one's experiences with others so that they can benefit.

Getting through an addiction of any kind (to a substance, a behavior, a person, whatever) is one of the most difficult challenges there is. It's a heroic, but unheralded and very lonely journey.

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» RE: A Courageous Article Posted by: Lycas7x
WoW
Posted by: meranting on Feb 13, 2008 1:44 AM   
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I have very strong addiction patterns, and grew up with Mother that to this day is an extreme alcoholic. I learned early on that alcohol wasn't for me and where I'm definitely a pot addict, I can't really say that it's ruined my life in any way shape or form.

I think it's remarkable for anyone to pull out of something like alcoholism - it takes an extremely strong person to do this. I don't think any of the people that commented - except for the person before me - really know what it's like. I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic either but I've taken my mom to so many rehab clinics, saved her from killing herself unintentionally while having an epileptic seizure from withdraw, that I think I can at least say that I know what it does to people. Unfortunately like with any addiction, it's very hard to stay clean - falling back is just so damn easy.

As my last word I'd like to say that Tania Glyde has done something remarkable, and I hope she has the strength to keep on her path of sobriety.

Read My Blog!

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» RE: WoW Posted by: jennymac
» RE: WoW Posted by: Suz
» RE: WoW Posted by: Lycas7x
» RE: WoW Posted by: GEM-592
ALL DUE RESPECT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 13, 2008 9:31 AM   
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What exactly would you like us to do? The typical alcoholic gives it up in his/her own good time. When they're ready. It has nothing whatever to do with what the rest of us think. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: ALL DUE RESPECT Posted by: Turiye
» Typical alcoholic? Posted by: Declan
» RE: Typical alcoholic? Posted by: aussidawg
???
Posted by: g on Feb 14, 2008 5:39 PM   
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Is this person blaming the government for her problems? is she advocating prohibition ism? Is she saying that because she had long-lasting drinking and substance abuse problems no one should even be allowed a glass of wine or a Margarita? She rambles pointlessly for so long that it's quite unclear what exactly she's talking about-except that she feels very, very, very sorry for herself.

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I needed 12 Steps.
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 15, 2008 12:47 AM   
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I so wanted to do what Ms. Glyde did--get back control of my life all by myself. I could see that my problem was me. So why couldn't I fix it?

Took me a long time to realize that is what it means for me to be an addict. That is, maybe the excessive attraction to the substance could be acknowledged but that still did not end the addiction.

I only succeeded after finding a group that I let help me. I went to lots of groups where I did not and could not allow it. Just by chance and by luck and by trying a lot of times, I made contact where I felt I could belong. Hanging out with sober folks taught me that while other people could drink and use without losing control, I could not. I drank and used so I could lose control.

That some of the posters upthread need to write nasty comments in defence of others or themselves who might be the subject of Ms. Glyde's critical comments indicates that it is not OK in our world for people to struggle. My 12 Step world became the one place where needing to struggle was understood and accepted.

If you don't have a substance abuse problem, more power to you. If you do and you cannot ask for help, hearing your story told by others who learned how to accept help might help.

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» RE: I needed 12 Steps. Posted by: GEM-592
» RE: I needed 12 Steps. Posted by: Lycas7x
Is not drinking a feminist act?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 15, 2008 3:00 AM   
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So, if all the party girls stopped drinking for just three months, maybe they would wake of from their cloud of oppression, see what the patriarchy has been doing to them, and finally get out there and shake up the system?...

"Hey, Ashley. I never noticed this before, but my paycheck is like 75% of a man's paycheck on average. That is soooo totally unfair!...And I just noticed that I've been spending all my money at the mall on clothes and makeup...And all that money I spent on wine coolers and Margaritas was supporting the Alcohol Industrial Complex, which is run by men. EWWWWWWWWWW!!!"

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» RE: Yeah: them too Posted by: Declan
After reading this, looking forward to a drink
Posted by: war_on_tara on Feb 15, 2008 4:21 AM   
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Believe it or not, many of us had horrible parents and we didn't turn into alcoholics and don't wallow in self-pity. As for "everyone should quit drinking for three months," how about "everyone should try minding her own business for three months." Then there's this:

I just don't know why governments don't do anything about all the crime that's committed, day in and day out, which, without alcohol in the mix, simply wouldn't happen. Alcohol is, exponentially, an bigger gateway drug than cannabis has ever been or ever will be...

I read this several times and can't make any sense of it. America is screwed up in many ways but at least we're aware that most petty crime is alcohol-fueled. Are the Brits really clueless about this? The difference is, here we made alcohol illegal once and that made things worse. Slowly the same lessons are being learned about cannabis too, but at least teenagers have a hard time getting served in "pubs" in the U.S., no matter how tall they are.

AlterNet could have thought twice about reprinting her attacks on nationalized health care (heh, anybody else notice that?) - but maybe we can chalk that up to more self-pity and neediness for attention, even from well-meaning, overworked bureaucrats.

I bet she really likes it when those people at parties ask if she quit drinking because there was a "problem." More attention!

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» RE: making it illegal Posted by: bitsfick
» Wallowing in ignorance Posted by: Declan
» !!! Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: !!! our misunderstanding Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: Oh My! Posted by: Beepath
Weird article.
Posted by: heid on Feb 15, 2008 4:55 AM   
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At times poignant, the point of the article seems to be. . .Well, frankly, I haven't the foggiest. Many points made are excellent - women's treatment by media/society, AA being more a cult than anything else, causes of alcoholism being deep and varied. All good stuff. Some bad stuff, too - like a sideways attack at the NHS, but without any idea of what might be done.

But, it left me wondering what the point is.

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It is a difficult task
Posted by: Rprice on Feb 15, 2008 5:20 AM   
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Getting sober sucks, staying sober is difficult, but with a lot of work staying sober becomes the most brilliant part of living. It is funny though how when reading a story about use, the experience however painful, is not so unique after all. What is unique and engaging and hardly ever told in such great dramatic detail, is the story of life, years later in sobriety--and yes, that after many years of battle peace is possible.

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Take what you like and leave the rest
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 15, 2008 5:24 AM   
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This may sound politically suspect to some readers, but really: you don't have to pick out some aspect of this story (or any other story) that you don't like and use it to dismiss the whole thing. I did indeed roll my eyes at the AA part. For plenty of right-on lefties, bashing AA is de rigueur, and the bashing points don't change much: it's a cult, some AAs smoke too many cigarettes, some AAs drink too much coffee, belief that there might possibly be powers in the universe beyond your control means you're a self-hating toady for the PTL Club, etc., etc. My own experience is that the 12-step program only works if you work it -- it's not a one-size-fits-all solution that you buy off the shelf. That's true for anything worth having, isn't it?

Is the author a dry drunk? Damned if I know. If what she's doing works for her, cool. If next month or next year she feels herself slipping into her old self-destructive habits but she manages to make course corrections before she goes into a tailspin -- then it's working.

My own first months working the steps were pretty rocky. Fortunately I'd picked a sponsor who'd been there, done that, and didn't spend a lot of time refuting all my grade-A left-brain feminist-politico arguments. Eventually it dawned on me that you can win all the arguments and still be living a royally screwed-up life.

What really sold me on the 12 Steps and 12 Traditions was the fact that AA had survived and thrived for (at that point) more than 50 years. An international grassroots organization run by recovering drunks! Now it's 70+ years. The founders are long since dead. Meetings are being run and new members are being greeted by people who weren't born when AA started -- hell, some of their grandparents weren't born yet. How many of our left-of-center organizations can say the same??

Seems to me it would be smart to defer the arguments with AA and start trying to figure out its secret.

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» AA's secret? Posted by: BlueTigress
» Yeah I Took The Cure Too Posted by: BAKslider
» The International Posted by: BAKslider
Welcome to Your Real World
Posted by: jmmartin on Feb 15, 2008 5:27 AM   
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After drinking for forty years -- heavily for 15 to 20 -- I stopped cold turkey. Believe it or not, Buddhist scripture (and especially the Dhammapada) kept me off, and I've had 14 years of sobriety. I feel, look, and act so much better I don't even miss the hootch. I have an older brother who quit long before I did, and he started at 12 or 13. I have a younger brother who just did recently quit -- when an M.D. told him he had onset cirrhosis. The best thing about quitting is, as you say, discovery of who you are and being free from a false sense of who you think you are. Congratulations and keep up the good work!

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I Put Off Reading This Article, Then Read It With Mixed Feelings. Now My Feelings Are On the Rocks.
Posted by: grumble-bum on Feb 15, 2008 5:35 AM   
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As many Alterneters know, I'm a recovering Alcoholic (AA/12 Step model) of several years. Lord knows I bring it up all the time, applying concepts I've learned in getting my life back together to domestic Politics, International Affairs, etc. on these "pages". Not to mention in my real life!

I started reading this piece a couple of days ago with the intention of wading in with my usual caustic, & often less-than-humble, um... brilliance. I had to take a break & come back to it because my initial reaction was so negative, I knew anything I might say would be counterproductive.

I still think, on second reading, that this article is mostly a mess. I can only assume that it was hacked down from a considerably longer piece, due to its fragmented, generally incoherent feel. Or, perhaps this is intentional. Maybe the author's random bursts of venom (against other sufferers, society-at-large, the publishing world, & herself) are meant to put us inside the head of someone in an anger-fueled, direction-less & solitary recovery. If so, it's a resounding success.

I like to think of myself as being "open minded" about different types of recovery. I like to say that the path one takes in battling addiction is ultimately irrelevant if it works for that individual. I guess I've been fooling myself.

The sense I get from this article is that the author is still obsessed with her life as an addict, still chewing over wrongs done to her by other addicts, & (understandably) terrified of taking the often scary step of giving up control. Instead of using her addictive behaviors as a defensive weapon, she seems to have moved on to using her recovery as one.

The idea of "giving your Will over to a Higher Power" is all kinds of freaky (I still struggle with it from day to day), & it means different things to different people. But ultimately, it means surrendering one's need to constantly be running the show all alone & becoming open to the opportunities that the Universe is constantly offering.

Whenever I hear that someone has "tried" a 12 Step program, but that it "wasn't for [them]", I think of my own longstanding feeling that I was too unique for that approach, that I could do it alone & by picking & choosing only those aspects that were comfortable for me. & I think about how, while I managed to stop drinking for a period using that method, I was intensely unhappy & ultimately relapsed (almost to the point of no return).

Yeah, when one is involved in a 12 Step program, one meets many different individuals, some of whom are difficult to deal with. Some of these broken & healing people do indeed take on something of an Elder role to other participants. Just as in the society at large, some of these folks are less qualified for these roles than others. That's hardly a reason to scrap the concept as a whole, although it's an understandable (& all too common) excuse. The trick (for me, anyway) is to try & learn from everyone, regardless.

I wish the author all the best on her go-it-alone path. I'm not a betting man (thankfully, that's one potentially addictive pastime I never developed a taste for), but I would predict she'll be back off the wagon eventually. Anger & self-disgust are powerful but ultimately inefficient fuels for the long haul.

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» Grumble-bum, you nailed it. Posted by: hagwind
The only game in town is recovery!
Posted by: Beepath on Feb 15, 2008 6:08 AM   
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Thank you, Tania, for your powerful story. As a radical feminist with 26 years clean and sober, I entirely understand your experience with AA. AA got me sober and has kept me sober, and while it is the grandaddy of all the 12 step programs, I rarely disagree with its critics. It's sexist as hell, from the male-bias in its literature to the sicko, psycho people you find there. That said, I want to assure you that I was there just to learn how to stop drinking and drugging. Oh it's a process alright. I learned that not all people who drink are alcoholic, that I have to allow people, especially men, to be assholes, and I have to work on myself and I have to learn tolerance in all things, people and places. But, I don't have to put with crap, I've had to redefine what strength truly is. And if the dumb-ass wants to know if I had a "problem." I just tell them that I have an allergy to alcohol. And that's all it is to an alcoholic. That cuts the drama when someone is pushy about giving me a drink. Nothing is more boring than an allergy and it sure as hell backs 'em off. Even the boring men who couldn't keep up with me when I was drunk don't have anything to say to me no that I'm sober. Look at all the bacon and eggs I've saved, heh heh. Being in recovery raises the bar on what foolishness I will put up with, which is none. There is a wonderful book I hope you give a flip through. It's "Getting Better" by Nan Robertson. It's an expose on AA that will cheer you on. A lot of oldtimers don't want newcomers to read about the irreverent behavior of Bill Wilson and the crap Lois Wilson put up with, which was a lot. I like hanging out with alcoholics who're trying to get better and ignore the losers. I raise hell about the sexism, the anal tradition "lawyers" and the people who think they own AA. I work with the newcomers and work the steps as needed. I've done everything right and I've done everything wrong. I go to meetings, I go years without meetings. I work the steps. I don't work the steps. I just don't use or drink, no matter what. I don't have to struggle anymore and I pick my battles. I can do and be anything I want, I just don't want to drink or use. Easy does do it. Blessed Be!

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» Yer right Posted by: Declan
» Feeble attempts ... Posted by: skoog5600
It's about AA Traditions
Posted by: sghaas63 on Feb 15, 2008 6:33 AM   
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I found this section interesting:

"Disturbingly, a well-known media figure, who is a recovering alcoholic, refused to give a cover quote for this book, not because they thought it was bad (they didn't, apparently), but they felt it was critical of AA. This appalled me. That kind of collusion, that kind of self-censorship, is simply wrong, and no one can persuade me otherwise."

Tradition 11 in AA states: "Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films." This has been in place since the 1940s.

It's not hard to figure this out. When celebrities start talking publicly about how being a member of AA has helped then, and then a week later wrap their car around a tree and get a DUI, the reaction is "see, AA doesn't work." Rather than collusion as is accused, I see evidence of practicing the Traditions, something this alcoholic appreciates.

Coming up on 17 years sober I've seen lots of people go "in and out" of AA. My experience has been that it works miraculously for those who do what is suggested; it doesn't for those who don't.

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» RE: It's about AA Traditions Posted by: hagwind
Us alcoholics
Posted by: kerttu on Feb 15, 2008 6:59 AM   
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Once again I'm amazed how like we alcoholics are when drunk and how unique when sober.

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» Amen! Posted by: steven w
... so exactly, how do you FEEL?
Posted by: Cannoliamo on Feb 15, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Having shared very similar and parallel experiences (except, btw, I happen to be of the heterosexual male persuasion), I find your bio replete with abbreviated memories but rather devoid of emotional reflection and behavioral insight. Suicide and depression is discussed in the same tone as sex and parties.

As I'm sure you're aware, alcohol is one of the great crutches for emotional repression and I'm also sure you were able to spend your 23 years uninvolved with and unattached to your underlying guilt, fear, anger and other emotions that so many AA participants spend countless hours facing and coping with both in private and in public.

So, .... have your feelings awakened? I can't quite tell from the perspective you are sharing with the world through your revealing (yet rather detached) incidental memories.

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» RE: ... so exactly, how do you FEEL? Posted by: H.R. Chuckn'stuff
Yawn...
Posted by: H.R. Chuckn'stuff on Feb 15, 2008 7:35 AM   
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Look, I hate when people post snarky comments to articles, but I felt compelled to say something.

I'm glad this woman finally decided to get her shit together, but what compelled her to tell a story we've all heard a billion times before without anything resembling new insight or some form of message.

Tania...I'm happy for you that you're not a mess anymore, but don't perpetuate the stereotype of the self-obsessed former addict by dumping your drugalogue on the public. We've heard it all before. I was a drug addict, I did terrible things, I even went to prison. But what's the point of recounting these old, stale, boring tales of decadence over and over? What healing do you get from that? To me, it's just a form of porn: stimulation without participation.

Not to mention, your experiences were boring and mundane, hardly worthy of the time it took to read them, and I wonder, for a writer, how much effort you put into writing them. And what a revelation to discover your mother was mean. Gosh, none of us can claim that...

Ok, I know I'm being a jerk, but it drives me crazy when former addicts jump up and down for attention and praise and accolades simply because they stopped fucking their lives up. Why didn't anyone respond to your "Wagon Update!"? Because most likely they still don't trust you, and they see it as another form of self-obsessed self-indulgence. "Look at me, I'm doing something right for once! Give me praise!" Stay sober for a few years and maybe they'll begin trusting you. Stop talking about yourself all the time, and they might respond to you.

Addiction is a manifestation of the sick, disconnected, material culture we live in, and the lack of love, nurturing, respect, and support we humans are supposed to give one another. It's a symptom of a much greater spiritual malaise that plagues humanity, not just the individual. And it's an orchestrated pretext to wield greater and greater control over the public. If you looked at where most of the drugs were coming from, you'd understand... US intelligence services just may be the biggest drug traffickers on the planet. And that's not coincidence.

So Tania, either take off your suit of narcissism and help the greater good, or have a little humility. No one is impressed that you snorted and fucked and drank your way through life. It's not new, it's not impressive, and it's not even tragic. It's just normal. Welcome to industrial civilization. You're not special.

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» You WAS a drug addict?! Posted by: Beepath
» Yes, was... Posted by: H.R. Chuckn'stuff
» RE: Yawn... Posted by: GEM-592
» Easy To Be Hard. Posted by: JoAnne
23 years drunk
Posted by: wittler youth on Feb 15, 2008 7:39 AM   
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yep..thats exactley how many years i been drinking..and if i wasnt drunk every day i would of wrote a book by now of my escapades..yes i play muscic..but guilt is not flowing in my vains..aa ha ha cult..4000 thousand ciggeretts and a hundrerd cups of coffee can suplant them..right..? drugs and alcahole rule..look what it did for g.g.allen..and all you straight edge cretins want fame..but you just dont want to do that kill yer self or die shuffle..im drunk right now..are u down with that?..drunk people on the inter-net..oh my! lions, tigers, and bears..quick! blog me to salvation.

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» And how's that working out? Posted by: Declan
» Bless his heart Posted by: steven w
Who wants her to stay sober?
Posted by: Declan on Feb 15, 2008 8:21 AM   
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Apparently not too many, judging from the tone of many responders posting here. There are some notable exceptions. Many run the short gamut from condemning her writing style and supposed self-pity to "pitying' her and "wishing" her luck. A lot simply believe she won't ("if I were a betting man")and imply she shouldn't stay sober. Why? Because she is: A) a whiner; B) not an AA member.
Tsk, tsk

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God's "Green Herb"
Posted by: lc on Feb 15, 2008 8:31 AM   
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Just smoke pot. It is herbal medicine. It reacts with neuron receptors made specifically for the THC molecule. That is why God gave it to man on two of the 6 days of Creation and to Noah after the Flood. Everybody, smoke God's Green Herb and do not poison yourself with alcohol and tobacco. God's Green Herb is medicine that does not cause cancer or tumors (medical fact). No wonder the big three drug industries spend so much money making sure pot is at the top of all get tough on drugs lists.
Alcohol, tobacco and PX drugs contribute the majority of funding to the Partnership for a Drug Free America. Connect the Dots if you can see through the nicotine smoke screen and alcohol poison haze.
IM
Belteshazzar

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» RE: God's "Green Herb" Posted by: steven w
» Oh, puhleaze Posted by: Declan
Congratulations
Posted by: steven w on Feb 15, 2008 8:33 AM   
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on your recent abstinence. I am always happy to see someone quit drinking and drugging no matter how they choose to do it.

However, in my opinion, I hope that you can do something about those resentments and selfishness.

For me, alchohol was only a symptom of what was truley wrong with me.

Resentments would have killed me if they had not been resolved. That's just me. I would never tell you what to do, just what worked for me.

Try it your way and if it works, great! But if it does not, please remember that there is a place where the other zebras are. AA. You are not the first one to say, "AA is not for me."
It is true AA is not the only way. But please believe me, we will always be there for you if you change your mind.

If nobody told you they love you today, well I do love you. I love drunks like me.

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Everything in moderation
Posted by: nfamous on Feb 15, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Everything in moderation. I don't believe that alcoholics somehow get more dopamine released in their brains from drinking than non-problem drinkers. I believe people make decisions on life based on how they interpret personal events emotionally. If you tend to interpret things in painful ways and internalize them then you will require abnormal amounts of pain relief, a la alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. When alcohol turns off your inhibitions it also turns off that little voice inside your head until the hangover replaces it. I actually was in alcohol treatment several times and found their methodologies laughable. The twelve steps are overtly religious in their approach and ineffective in their results. Even the people that came up with them admitted they were not that effective.

Introverts are probably more prone to suffer from alcoholism but I believe this is just corporations doing what corporations do: making money at the expense of the health of humanity. If people gave up alcohol they would just do more of other kinds of drugs and corporations would want a piece of that action too. From my point of view at least marijuana is natural. That means it can only be so bad for you. I've never seen a pothead die from cirrhosis.

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» RE: verything in moderation Posted by: aussidawg
Worth celebrating
Posted by: leigh on Feb 15, 2008 10:35 AM   
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I appreciated the opportunity to read this article: Tania's story is worth celebrating and I'll be forwarding the link to friends.

Some of the comments left an unpleasant taste in my mouth though.

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I think her story is damned interesting....
Posted by: morticia on Feb 15, 2008 2:01 PM   
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Any time an articulate person reports on a hellish condition, especially one as ubiquitous as alcoholism, it's valuable. Recommended reading: THE LOST WEEKEND by Charles Jackson, published in 1944. He pulled no punches, let me tell you....

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Same Old Demons, New Light
Posted by: scottml on Feb 15, 2008 2:10 PM   
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Yeah. I could come up with some petty criticisms of this piece too, but the fact remains that it made me re-examine my own addictions through a different filter (I'm a gay man living on the other side of the Atlantic). For that, I am thankful (both the living on the other side of the Atlantic and being able to see the same old same old through a new perspective thanks to good writing) and willing to give props where props are due. I fall into the cohort of folks who are currently treating their alcoholism with marijuanaism. Yeah. No chirrhosis, no seriously embarrassing public behavior. I feel so good about myself, I could shit.

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I love alcoholics...
Posted by: circanow on Feb 15, 2008 7:28 PM   
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I love alcoholics/addicts, mainly because I am one. I've been clean/sober for 21 yrs., continually active in AA. Our brains are capable of spinning out the most convoluted, sometimes comic, sometimes tragic, sometimes even downright brilliant rationales to keep on using. When our drug(s) of choice no longer are working for us, AND/OR the family, the law, our boss, etc. puts the flame to our butts, We are equally good at deciding that AA is bad, sick, hypocritical, a cult, etc. Anything but that!!! AA is for the desperate - the ones who are fortunate enough to be out of solutions. Period. Drinking/using/trying other addictions doesn't work any more, and staying dry/abstinent dosn't either. We are miserable. The author concludes that the problem is the world out there. We never can change that world, so that's a one-way ticket to relapse or being a discontented control-freak. If we're lucky enough to give up doing it our way and become willing to try what has worked for millions of people, we can actually be comfortable in our own skins, and ok even though the world and people are way less than ideal. Before I was done, I used the pot plan for 7 years. True, I didn't drink, but unlike the nonalcoholic person who can smoke a few/drink a few, and take it or leave it without causing problems in some area of his life, it became central to my life. It was fun, at least at first, and I had some truly brilliant ideas and insights, and all kinds of plans, but my butt was glued to the couch, and I don't really remember any of my great ideas. I felt depressed and anxious when not high, and the pot wouldn't obliterate my anger, so I drank again until I fully realized I could not use ANY substance successfully ever. Then I was willing and open-mided enough to work a program. We have a saying in AA. If you try it and it doesn't work, we'll gladly refund your misery!

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