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Health & Wellness

The Poor Get Diabetes, the Rich Get Local and Organic

By Mark Winne, Beacon Press. Posted January 9, 2008.


From the War on Poverty to new farmers' markets, a food expert tackles America's dangerous dietary split.
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The following is an excerpt from Mark Winne's new book, Closing the Food Gap: Resetting the Table in the Land of Plenty.

As a class, lower income people have been well represented in some of the best-covered food stories of our day, particularly hunger, obesity, and diabetes. As these issues have faded in and out of the public's eye over the last 25 years, another food trend was rapidly becoming a national obsession -- namely, local and organic.

At about the same time that Berkeley diva Alice Waters was first showing us how to bestow style and grace on something as ordinary as a local tomato, the Reagan administration's anti-poor policies were driving an unprecedented number of people into soup kitchens and food banks. And as organic food advocates were putting the finishing touches on what was to become the first national standard for organic food, supermarket chains were nailing plywood across their city store windows bidding farewell to lower income America.

Organic food and agriculture had barely climbed out of the bassinet in 1989 when 60 Minutes ran its now famous Alar story. The exposure it received before 40 million television viewers ignited a firestorm of consumer reaction that eventually made organic food the fastest growing segment of the U.S. food industry.

Yuppie families reacted first. Like every parent since time immemorial, these parents wanted what was best for their children, and the emerging evidence that our food supply was tainted accelerated their desire for the healthiest and safest food possible. Though the research surrounding the health and safety attributes of various foods remained foggy, competing claims opened up a never ending number of consumer options. One's food choices may be vegetarian, vegan, organic, grass-fed, free-range, humanely raised, or some combination of these. As to the source of this food, it could range from "generally local when it's easy to get" to "obsessively local and will eat nothing else."

In low-income circles, however, such food anxieties got little traction. Between getting to a food store where the bananas weren't black and having enough money to buy any food at all, low-income shoppers had little inclination to parse the differences between grass-fed and grass-finished. But this didn't imply that their awareness of organic food was non-existent, nor did it mean that low-income consumers were less likely to buy organic if they had the chance.

Low-Income Shoppers Speak

To better understand a variety of issues, the Hartford Food System, a Connecticut-based non-profit organization that I directed for 24 years, would often meet with low-income families to get their point of view. On one such occasion, we asked eight members of Hartford's Clay/Arsenal neighborhood to discuss local and organic food. Like other impoverished urban neighborhoods, Clay/Arsenal was entirely devoid of good quality food stores, and their residents experienced hunger, obesity, and diabetes at rates that were two to three times the national average. This group was comprised exclusively of Hispanic and African American residents.

First off, the group expressed an immediate consensus that fresh, inexpensive food -- the food they generally preferred -- was unavailable in their neighborhood. Everyone agreed that traveling to a full-line supermarket was a hassle because it required one or two long bus rides or an expensive taxi fare. As a result, they did their major shopping once or twice a month, and when they shopped, price was their most important consideration.

When asked what the word organic meant to them, the residents answered "real food," "natural," "healthy," and "you know what's in it." While they believed that organic food was preferable to food they described as "processed," "full of chemicals," or "toxic," they said that buying organic food wasn't even an option, because it was simply not available to them. One young woman made a point of saying that she didn't trust the environment where she lived or the food she ingested. "Everything gives you cancer these days," she said. Conversely, there was an underlying tone of confidence in the safety and healthfulness of food that they could identify as local and organic.

Their awareness of the benefits of local and organic food was very high. For the elderly, there was the nostalgic association with tastes, places, and times gone by. For those with young children, there was an apprehension that nearly everything associated with their external environment, including food, was a threat. Like parents of all races, education levels, and occupations, these moms wanted what was best for their children as well, even when they knew that what was best was not available to them.


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Mark Winne was the executive director of the Hartford Food System for 25 years. His first book "Closing the Food Gap: Resetting the Table in the Land of Plenty" was published by Beacon Press in January 2008.

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How to do local?Look out side the U.S.
Posted by: shinnam on Jan 9, 2008 1:12 AM   
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In Europe and Asia mobile vendors and little locals are the rule, megamarkets are the exception. In Europe there are small supermarkets, with fresh products, near most bus stops and subway stations. I live in a poor neighborhood in Seoul, S. Korea, at least once a day there is a truck driving by my house with some sort of fresh food, anything from fruit to seafood. For all the ballyhoo about health, I've never had a problem with stuff off the trucks and it tastes better than anything wrapped in plastic. Even though I can buy my staples cheaper at the big supermaket, I go to my locals because once I factor in the cost of transportation I break even. The U.S. needs to look outside to get solutions.

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My mother went from hippie to bargain hunter
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 9, 2008 1:29 AM   
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And we just found out she has diabetes. As she got older she became obsessed with getting a bargain for her food. She would go to the crappiest cheapo shops and I would find her cupboard filled with the cheap junk they sell.

She wasn't always like this: she once ate out of the hippie handbook: brown rice, curries, salads. But since getting into debt, she has now been going only for the bargains. And now I can see that the bargains kill.

The North American way of life is deeply unhealthy now. People need to live within walking distance of all their services at least (and preferably a short trip away from work). This is what politicians should be talking about; if they gave a stank about human health that is (and we know they don't).

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Farmers' markets have become boutiques
Posted by: kiel on Jan 9, 2008 4:19 AM   
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I grew up in the 70s & 80s on a farm, and it was my job as the only child to plant, weed, harvest, and sell the produce from 15+ acres of gardens--50,000 tomato plants, 40,000 pepper plants, 2,000 eggplant plants, 5 acres of cucumbers, melons, and squash, and scores of other types of produce. And it was all "organic" before the word was even used. I sold our produce door-to-door, from the trunk of my car at my HS, from the front yard, and at farmers'markets. In those days, our goal was to offer great produce at prices LOWER than supermarkets. Today, I can hardly afford to visit farmers' markets--prices are ridiculously high, and many of the "farmers" are snootier than Starbucks baristas. It is very clear who they consider their market to be, and it's not the same group I was selling to in my day. Sad.

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» RE: Farmers' markets have become boutiques Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» how about rooftop gardens ? Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: Farmers' markets have become boutiques--OK, OK Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
demand brings supply
Posted by: waltermoss on Jan 9, 2008 4:44 AM   
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I hate to be a breath of the negative, but you need to take into account food preferences of lower income people. I was educated in this when I returned home to the Bronx after college. I stayed back home for a year and tried to bring my new found nutritional/dietary knowledge to the family. I bought lots of tasty fruits and veggies, which ended up rotting because no one would touch them. I cooked "good" meat and eggs, that received a luke-warm reception (and no I am not a bad cook). The final straw was when I found that the hand-made pasta I brought home from Arthur Ave (Little Italy of the Bronx) was thrown to the dogs...literally.

What did they eat? Typical breakfast was wonder bread and margarine, maybe a grilled cheese for lunch and dinner could be a can of corned beef hash or tomato soup w/ American cheese. For restaurants, McDonalds was the place of choice.

What can you do? They like what they like, and are not at all interested in "college boy" eating habits. It's frustrating to see them abusing themselves and getting sick, which sadly they are...but it's their choice.

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Thank you for this article.
Posted by: mjabele on Jan 9, 2008 5:03 AM   
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Amongst all the debate about how we should eat - organic, local, vegan - one thing I haven't seen discussed at any length is how expensive it can be for the poorer segment of our population to "do the right thing". Seems to me that for folks who call themselves progressives, this should be a major issue. I certainly don't think we should be advocating for people to do things they literally can't afford.

I'm sure a lot of folks will immediately chime in to say that it's possible to buy organic, local, or vegan without burning a hole in one's pocketbook, but I'm not sure I believe that. Our own grocery bill certainly went up significantly when we started buying organic, despite purchasing as many items in bulk as we could and limiting the amount of meat we eat. I've also noticed that the clientele at the supermarkets where we currently shop appear notably more well-heeled than the working class patients I take care of at my office.

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Health-conscious eating doesn't have to be expensive!
Posted by: Kismagyar on Jan 9, 2008 6:19 AM   
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I certainly agree with the article’s observation that people in the lower income segments of society seem to have poorer eating habits and consequently, poorer health. However, I wanted to point out the inherent contradiction in this phenomenon. The poorer you are, the more inclined you should be to emphasize fruits and vegetables in your diet, since while they abound in nutrients they only cost a fraction of the price of meat and animal products. Since I switched to a whole-foods based vegan diet, I have been amazed how much my grocery bills have dropped, even when I buy part organic produce. During a typical trip to the supermarket, I spend about $25-30 and go home with two large canvass bags full of grains, beans and produce, which will keep me fed for a week or more. Even if someone can’t afford to buy the rather costly locally grown or organic food, eliminating animal products from the diet will result not only in significant savings but also health benefits.

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It's called RIGGED "capitalism"
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 9, 2008 6:44 AM   
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To begin with there is no free market/trade. The system was RIGGED to blow the poor and wipe out the middle class. Considering the regulations against the poor and middle class most "libertarians" don't want to tell you about, it's no surprise that healthy food that actually costs less to make compared to petroleum-manufactured "cheap" junk food is forced into higher pricing to prevent local lower/middle/working class farmers from attaining their freedom and prosperity. Don't let the Wall Street ass-kissing "libertarians" fool you otherwise.

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» true. apples versus top ramen Posted by: veggiegrrrl
It calls for being strategic
Posted by: kuro_neko on Jan 9, 2008 7:32 AM   
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When I was in college we lived off a lot of pancake mix, ramen, slimfast, taco bell, but once a week we'd get a bunch of vegetables at the farmer's market and make some vegetable-filled pasta sauce. This was over 15 years ago. I've since found as many cheap tricks to make healthy food as possible.

-no fast food
But: pasta, natural pasta sauces, hormone-free cheese (costs less than organic if available), whole grain breads (shop around to find the cheapest that doesn't contain HFCS), natural PB&J, bananas, apples/oranges, natural yogurt, nuts, bulk: lentils, beans, grains, potatoes, onions, brocolli, soda-water instead of soda, organic or hormone-free milk, free-range eggs (cheapest yet healthiest available), look for sales on natural beef/chicken and stock up.

I go to Costco and try to buy all my staples as natural as possible and in bulk. 9 lbs. oatmeal for cheap. I keep my eyes out for organic stuff on sale, or in bulk. 12 packages of organic mac/cheese at Costco. 3 lbs. almonds/walnuts for less than the grocery store. I make banana breads with leftover bananas and I use unbleached flour and sweeten with unsweetened applesauce.

Staples, basics, make from scratch or in crockpot....Big pots of vegetable soups with 1 cup lentils, potatoes, onions, diced tomatoes (organic bought cans in bulk at Costco, S&W brand), cabbage. This soup lasted me 3 days for lunches and part of dinner. Containers of organic broth in bulk at Costco. Much cheaper than individually bought at grocery store.

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it's not too expensive to eat healthy-it is strategic
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 9, 2008 7:42 AM   
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it's not too expensive to eat healthy-it is strategic. folks have to remember the $ they spend on good food now will save them the $ they would spend on their heart surgery or insulin later.

it's not hard to eat cheap if you buy what is in season.

when strawberries are 6.00 per pound, don't buy them. buy the green beans at 1.69 per pound. when green beans are 4.00 per pound, don't buy them and buy the plums at 1.29 per pound.

being healthy is about eating low on the food chain (grains, fruits, veggies, starches) even if it means eating rice and carrots for 3 days because that is what's on sale.

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South Central Fights for Food Rights
Posted by: grn1 on Jan 9, 2008 8:47 AM   
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http://www.southcentralfarmers.com/ Go to right corner of site and read "What We Are About" This is how the poor deal with bringing fresh foods and health education to their communities. It's not about guilt over what we have, they have. They made it their own responsibility. They fought like hell for this farm in their community and even though the farm lays fallow they are still educating their community.

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You guys are well meaning, but...
Posted by: ailei on Jan 9, 2008 9:02 AM   
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You're all missing one of the crucial points in the article. Sure it's 'easy' to eat healthy cheaply, but many people in poor inner city neighborhoods literally do not have access to a supermarket, farmer's market, or anything other than the bodega on the corner. The supermarkets do not do business in those neighborhoods. It makes buying all that fresh produce a pie in the sky dream for many. I just get a little fed up at all the holier than thou privilege I see here sometimes in response to articles on poverty. So you, an educated person, manage to have a 30 buck per week food bill shopping at the market with fresh veggies available. Fantastic! Now try to put yourself in the position of an inner city mother. You:

*Have several mouths to feed
*Must work long hours for a pittance
*Rely solely on public transportation
*Have no supermarket nearby
*Must either take a cab or beg a ride off a friend with a car to shop once or twice a month

How in the hell do you load your kids up on all those grains and veggies? When are you going to cook? You leave at 7 am and get home at 6 pm. You've been on your feet all day doing some crap job that leaves you exhausted. Seriously, what do you DO? Do you make a pan of hamburger helper that costs 3 bucks for the whole meal, everyone will eat, and that still affords you a tiny modicum of time with your kids, or do you cook for an hour? Oh, and don't forget - you also have to do all your OTHER second shift work - child care, cleaning, laundry, homework assistance.

Empathy? ANYONE? Or maybe even a good imagination? The programs described in the article are encouraging, and they show that there are plenty of inner city families that know very well they cannot provide 'the best' for their children to eat. How hard that must be, knowing day in and day out that you have to make those compromises just to keep bellies full.

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quality and cheap
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Jan 9, 2008 9:08 AM   
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quality food can be expensive, no doubt. Organic even more so...BUT as a poor gal who is concerned, I eat lots of home made soups which are cheap as heck. There are lots of cheaper tings to eat which are also healthy. BEANS for one!

the people in the article seemed more concerned with pesticide, etc. in their food, but that is not what causes obesity or diabetes. eating foods high on the gylcemic index is the bigger problem there. White breads. Yuck. The whiter your bread, the sooner you're dead.

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» RE: quality and cheap Posted by: irisgray
"let them eat organic tofu"
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 9, 2008 9:14 AM   
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It is great to finally see on Alternet an article that puncture holes in the elitist food people. Too often, Alternet has had elitist articles about vegetarinanism or whatever that seemed to be preaching the "Lexus Liberal" party line.

As an active farmer myself (I raise grain crops now, but until 2 years ago I was also a dairy farmer) I have wondered how many people who write these articles (such as the notorius Kathy Freson) really have a clue to what is involved with agriculture and producing food.

If you are living on $500/mo., how are you going to buy that $5 organic tomato or that $4/gal organic milk and pay your heating bills at the same time?

I myself had had some conversations with the organic-vegetarian-vegan-whatever people, and most of them strike me as a bunch of self-righteous spoiled types who have never felt true hunger in their lives or faced the prospect of NOT getting any food in the near future. People who think that driving off to the store in their Lexus to pick up that organic cabbage is a profound act of worship.

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» RE: "let them eat organic tofu" Posted by: kcampbell
Diabetes
Posted by: irisgray on Jan 9, 2008 9:22 AM   
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Type 1 diabetes is not linked to weight, diet, lifestyle or income. No one knows for sure what causes it, but it certainly has nothing to do with what a person can or cannot afford to eat. I'm tired of all people with diabetes being tarred with the same brush.

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A problem of Regulation
Posted by: jwhitneywise on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM   
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And Let us not forget, if we are to compare our lack of fresh food in lower-income foodstores to Europe, that most of the crap that is being sold to the poor wouldn't even pass food inspection standards in most other industrialized countries. The reason you find fresh food in your average inner-city European grocery store is that it's illegal for it to be anything else!!! If we could get the FDA out of the pocket of big agro-business, and raise the standard for acceptable produce, then we'll see a drop in diabetes and obesity amongst those with limited means.

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The way it should be
Posted by: audiodef on Jan 9, 2008 10:18 AM   
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The whole mass production thing is about MONEY - a little paper and metal bargaining chip that means NOTHING on its own.

Keeping things local and organic means an end to a lot of things that are hurting us - pollution, global warming, and needless suffering from hunger and homelessness. There is NO reason for this species not to have local communities supporting themselves on less monetary bases while still maintaining links with other communities and having all the technological innovation we want for the common good.

Geez.

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why always organic?
Posted by: allroy on Jan 9, 2008 10:22 AM   
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Whenever I read conversations like this I find myself wondering how non-organic gets so confused with the fat-laden, overly processed foods that is cheap and readily available. I mean really, is the issue that these people aren't eating 'organic' or that they are eating Totino's pizza, Coco Puffs, and fast food burgers as the main items in their diets? There are many people out there (poor and middle-class and possibly even rich) who eat like crap because it's what they like and very likely because they don't understand how much better they would feel and how much healthier they would be if they ate lean meats, and fresh vegetables. But does this always have to be organic? I know that there are health benefits to organic, but surely the focus should be on healthier eating habits first and 'organic' items second.

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» RE: why always organic? Posted by: aonghus36
Where did economic meat go?
Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM   
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Where are boiler chickens? The old hens past laying eggs. These are very good for making nutritious stocks and soups requiring lengthy cooking. The same is true of older cattle and sheep - they can be used to make good nutritious and tasty food, but where are they? Offal is also good nutritious food, but where are all the livers, kidneys, hearts, brains, kidneys, and glands?

I suspect that most of these potentially nourishing foods for people are used to make pet foods.

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» RE: Where did economic meat go? Posted by: Cooltruth
Also, BEWARE of the Corporate Takeover of "organic" happening right under your noses !
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 9, 2008 11:35 AM   
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Organic agriculture is becoming more popular because consumers are demanding healthful and environmentally-friendly food. This shift in consumer behavior is good news, but unfortunately, increased demand for organic foods has attracted large agribusiness corporations that intend to profit from the trend.

Although it’s not obvious to consumers, large corporations own many popular organic food brands. For example, Silk soymilk and Horizon dairy products are produced by Dean Foods, the nation’s largest milk producer. viii ix The corporate takeover of organic food is further encouraged by Wal-Mart, as it recently expanded their organic food sales in spring 2006.x Such corporate involvement does not only threaten the existence of small sustainable farmers, but also deteriorates the quality of organic food and makes it harder for small organic farms to compete.

Corporate-owned organic brands can push down the prices of organic products because they’re willing to cut corners in the production process and share a smaller portion of their profits with the farmers. They’ll confine dairy cows most of the year and sacrifice animal welfare,xiwhich allows them to sell their “organic” milk at low prices that small organic farms with higher standards can’t match.

This problem is aggravated by agribusiness’ push to weaken USDA organic standards. In 2005, agribusiness lobbied the Congress to pass a bill that allows for the use of 38 synthetic food substances in the processing and handling of certified organic foods. xiiThe new rule requires consumers to pay more attention to the ingredients of organic food products and to pay more attention to the difference between various organic foods and brands.


P.S.: Don't let the motherfucking ass--licking-Wall$treet fake "libertarians" or for that matter rightwing social fundies fool you otherwise.

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You can lead a horse to water...
Posted by: badkitty on Jan 9, 2008 12:32 PM   
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In my lower income, mostly black and Hispanic neighborhood, a group runs a local/organic farmer's market at the local public (mostly Hispanic) daycare at our park once a week. The produce is sold at cost, any bread is free (donated by the local boutique bakery), the hours are 3:30 to 6:30, and who shops there? A few Hispanics, a very few blacks, and low and not so low income white people. I brought flyers to my block party but no one comes from my block (we are the white family on the block). They have done extensive outreach, but very little response, even after three years. The produce is good, fresh, cheap, has recipes, but the market it's primarily aimed at still won't come.

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One bag of food a month for elderly poor? Bush just vetoed it!!
Posted by: johngary on Jan 9, 2008 12:55 PM   
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Don't be too optimistic. George Bush recently vetoed a bill that provides one, that is one single bag of food per month for the eldery poor as too expenive!! The cost 130 million per year!!
Talk about genocide. God may love the poor, but the rich sure dont.
And by the way, anthropologists claim the first sign of civilization in culture is when the society starts looking after its sick and aged!!
Did anyone notice how uncivilized the rich are? And we are upposed to worry about the Babarians at the gate. Hmmm arent they already here?

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» The uncivilized rich Posted by: Cathyc
I Am Glad You Mentioned that Loser - Ronnie Regan
Posted by: tommy1957 on Jan 9, 2008 1:38 PM   
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Yes in the Republican eye "Ronnie" was a god. Lowered taxes while the deficit exploded. Created 10 million new "minimum wage jobs"; wow! Introduce "crack cocaine" to the urban poor to rid red central america of a commie threat. I believe the voters eventualy removed that threat without contra rebels. He made deals with the devil (Iran Revolutionary Guard) by supplying them with arms and parts for US made war equipment. He made that under handed deal and smeared the only truly honest President in my life time "Jimmy Carter".

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» Parenthesis, inverted commas? Posted by: veggiegrrrl
organic food in the subarctic
Posted by: jpquist on Jan 9, 2008 2:31 PM   
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Upon reading your article on organic food, I remembered another one published in our local newspaper about 32 years ago, on a similar subject. It informed the Fairbanks (Alaska) consumers about the waxy coating on apples, cucumbers and other produce used to keep them fresh and appealing to the consumer. The food stores i Fairbanks are 4 days away (by road) from the closest produce wholesale outlet and trucking was and is the most cost effective way of shipping anything to Fairbanks which is at the end of the road. Back then we were not aware of organic foods as we are today. When we shop we see the sign above the "dull" looking fruit and the price that definitely indicates a better and safer product.

As one travels further north, where everything has to be flown-in such as in Barrow on the Arctic Slope, where no road leads to that village of almost 4000 residents, you can see bananas for 7.00 per pound, milk 12.00 a gallon, strawberries for 10.00 a pint and so on. Adding to these prices the cost of organic products would make them more prohibitive.
In Fairbanks tomatoes cost anywhere between 1.79 - 3.00 and the organic start at around 3.50 an have seen them as high as 4.25 per pound. All produce and dairy products are much higher in Alaska than in the lower 48 states.

In recent years the summers have been earlier and warmer with a killing frost later into the season thus allowing for local non-commercial growers to form farmer's markets with organic and relatively low cost produce. This is however a win-lose situation; as we see fresh, organic produce being available to us, we feel guilty for enjoying them as it appears that our cornucopia, and long warmer growing season are directly linked to global warming.
Julia
Fairbanks, Alaska.

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Its ignorance, not poverty...
Posted by: Cathyc on Jan 9, 2008 2:43 PM   
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... that determines peoples' choices - not just in what they choose to eat, but in how they behave, in general. And that ignorance is the result of how they were conditioned as children. Remember, old habits die hard.

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I am poor and I eat all organic.
Posted by: SOWILO on Jan 9, 2008 3:30 PM   
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My wife and I are poor, and we eat organic. We make things from scratch and eat whole, organic foods.

I see a lot of poor people with big-screen TV's, Nikes, and lots of video-games.

I have no TV, lots of books, a laptop, little furniture, etc.

There really is no excuse to not eat healthy. Sorry.

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» RE: I am poor and I eat all organic. Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
The WIC Program
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Jan 9, 2008 3:32 PM   
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In my experience folks who are using the wic coupons tend to buy produce even after they run out of coupons... Some of the farmers in my area do more than half their business from WIC coupons at selected markets... I am not big on Govt programs, but this one is good... It really does encourage people to go to the market even when their coupons run out.

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Organic & Local Is NOT Elitist!
Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Jan 9, 2008 11:10 PM   
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It is for the Earth. Pesticides and chemical fertilizers should be outlawed and gasoline taxes should be dramatically increased so that all food would be local because it would be too expensive to ship it long distances. The Earth is more important than the social concerns discussed here, and this is supposed to be the environmental section, not the social section

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Rooftop Resource Project in Richmond, Ca.
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 10, 2008 6:35 AM   
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Rooftop Resource Project in Richmond, Ca. is working with poor folks (mostly black, hispanic) to grow food on their roofs.


http://www.baylocalize.org/projects/rooftop

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