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Short Memories: AIDS Denialism and Vaccine Resistance

By Greta Christina, Greta Christina's Blog. Posted October 15, 2007.


Those who think that vaccines and AIDS drugs are pharmaceutical hoaxes, don't remember the worst of the epidemics.
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A friend of ours was telling [my partner] Ingrid about this new woman she's been dating. Things were going along swimmingly ... until it turned out that the new inamorata, a youngish thing in her early thirties, was an AIDS denialist. She was swallowing all that bullshit about how HIV doesn't really cause AIDS, AIDS drugs are what causes AIDS, and the whole thing is a vast conspiracy by the drug companies to get rich selling people drugs they don't need and that just make them sick.

This was absolutely the wrong thing to say to our friend, who had been an AIDS activist since the early days of the epidemic, had nursed several beloved friends through the illness, had seen way too many of those friends die ... and had seen others come back from the brink of death when the protease inhibitors and combination therapies finally came out.

So Ingrid and I were talking, not only about how ignorant AIDS denialism is and what a perfect example of the Galileo Fallacy it's proving to be ... but also about how profoundly insensitive and clueless it was for this woman to talk this way to someone who'd been through the worst days of the epidemic. Doesn't she remember? we said. Doesn't she know what AIDS was like before the drug cocktails came along?

And it occurred to both of us:

No. She doesn't remember.

And that's the problem.

There are some AIDS denialists who were around in the '80s. But an awful lot of them don't remember. They weren't around during the early days of the epidemic, when there was absolutely no treatment and your life expectancy when you got diagnosed was a few months, a year or two if you were lucky. They don't remember the days when a diagnosis was pretty much a death sentence -- a sentence to a slow, painful death. (Some people with AIDS lived through those days to tell the tale, but not many.) They don't remember having half their gay male friends get sick and die. They don't remember people lying in the streets screaming for the medical establishment to fucking pay attention and work on a treatment, some treatment, any treatment at all.

And they don't remember what it was like when the cocktail came along, and suddenly people started getting better and living longer. They don't remember the wonderful (although not entirely trivial) "problem" of people with AIDS who had quit their jobs and run up huge credit card debts, and now actually expected to live for a while. They don't remember what it was like when AIDS turned, almost overnight, from a deadly illness to a chronic but often survivable one.

To them, AIDS has always been what it is now. They look at HIV and AIDS, and they see a bad disease, one that still kills a lot of people and makes a lot of people pretty damn sick, but also one that people have a decent chance of surviving for a good long time. They see the cocktail making some people feel crappy. And they see the cocktail being really expensive, and making drug companies very rich indeed.

What's more, they have little or no awareness of what AIDS is still like in Africa, and other places where prevention and treatment still range from lousy to non-existent ... and where the pandemic is as bad or worse as it ever was in its early days in the U.S.

So it's much easier for them to ignore or dismiss the effectiveness of the cocktail, and to treat it as a drug-company conspiracy. It's easier for them to see themselves as brave Galileos for resisting the "lie" of HIV drugs ... because they have no memory of the harsh, horrible truth of HIV before the drugs came along.


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What you see is what you get...
Posted by: mandiwrite on Oct 15, 2007 3:23 AM   
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Anyone who doesn't, as the author says, 'get' it, I invite to visit me in South Africa. I'll take you to see the Big Five, the Victoria Falls, and an informal settlement where people die daily in falling-down shacks...
Last week, a friend of mine found a 31-year-old woman in a lean-to, a black woman who'd gone yellow, about 5"8', weighing in at 32 kilos (that's, ummm, about 70 pounds). Dying. When she was packing her few clothes, my friend came across an almost full month's supply of antiretrovirals. She asked the family what this was all about. Their reply? "She took them for a few days, then she felt sick. So she went to the clinic. The sister there told her, she mustn't take these things, they are poison."
Denialism will kill this young woman (probably already has). It is incumbent on those of us who saw, or are still seeing, the effects of this disease, to keep the knowledge alive.

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AMEN!!!!
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Oct 15, 2007 3:41 AM   
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FINALLY!!!!!! An intelligent article!!!!!!! I cannot tell you how many times i have argued with people about vaccines. I'd like to keep my kids ALIVE thank you, and not crippled.

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nitpicking, but...
Posted by: montims on Oct 15, 2007 4:44 AM   
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When did denial become denialism? When did denyer become denialist? The article is very worthy, and makes good points, but irritates me intensely with words such as these...

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» RE: nitpicking, but... Posted by: EKSwitaj
Some of my own experience
Posted by: l_m_n on Oct 15, 2007 5:56 AM   
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I am about to graduate and head off to work (probably) for Big Pharma.

Purely for my own interest I've been trying to figure out what they've done that is so bad and what they've done that is commendable. However, it drives me nuts to listen to some of the ignorant criticisms of the industry that, for better or for worse, does keep people alive.

There are some genuine points to be making! Yes, Big Pharma pays gobs of money to keep our health care system in the state it's in. And that money could be used in much better ways.. perhaps in R&D, so then they wouldn't have to push their semi-useless (and over-prescribed) cash cows on people for the same effect. That would be a perfect world.

BUT, so much more often I hear about "teh evil autism vaccines" and so much tripe that it seems to me that this is the Intelligent Design of the left. It's unfounded, debunkable within 10 minutes to whoever is interested, but appeals to everyone's "corporations are EVIL" side so people just line up. Sad.

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Flip side..
Posted by: messedup on Oct 15, 2007 6:04 AM   
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I'm not sure who the author is ripping on but it sounds like he's ripping on stupid people. It seems to me that the stupid people are breeding more than anyone. And, thanks to big Pharma they can have even more surviving children than ever before! And.., they don't remember. It's easy to say the educational and health care system suck in this country, but the real problem is our sick government.

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» RE: Flip side.. Posted by: goldmarx
Remember the red ribbon?
Posted by: charemor on Oct 15, 2007 7:29 AM   
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And this is one of the reasons that I get so pissy when I see how the ribbon symbol has been hijacked by breast cancer, support the troops and everything else from bad breath to hangnails. I would be the last person to deny the seriousness of breast cancer, but everytime I see a pink ribbon, I literally see red. How long has it been since you have seen the ORIGINAL RED RIBBON that was a reminder of AIDS? People have forgotten what it was like.

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» RE: emember the red ribbon? Posted by: cellorelio
And governments can embrace it too
Posted by: brunowe on Oct 15, 2007 7:42 AM   
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Exacerbating South Africa's severe AIDS problem has been the HIV-AIDS denial from the highest levels of government. As recently as 2005, the health minister had suggested consuming beetroot, garlic or lemon juice and that anti-retroviral drugs weren't useful and President Thabo Mbeki had long disputed the HIV-AIDS link.

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AlterNet is Pro-drug
Posted by: snowhound on Oct 15, 2007 8:43 AM   
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I've never seen writing on this website that recognizes the power of nutrition or alternative medicine, so it does not surprise me to read this pro-drug propaganda. Anyone who researches government statistics on the mortality rates of infectious disease will find that all of the diseases were in major decline before a vaccine program was ever introduced. To believe that vaccines were the major contributor to this decline is extremely weak science. Mortality rates are the best indicator of disease rates because incidence rates are not accurately reported. The statistics show that the mortality rates of measles, pertussis, scarlet fever, and diphtheria combined, decreased by 95% before mass vaccinations. The true hero of infectious disease decline is improved sanitation and living conditions.
As far as polio is concerned, there are many reasons for the reported decline of polio after the vaccination program began. It was well known Paralytic polio cured itself 50% of the time within 60 days. After the Salk vaccine was introduced, the definition of polio was changed by the CDC. Now, in order to have paralytic polio, you had to have it longer than 60 days. This obviously would correlate into a reported decline of reported polio. There is also strong evidence that the use of DDT during this time period may have been a cause for the drastic increase in polio during the 1950’s.
One thing for certain, is that the increase of neurological and immune disorders is epidemic in today’s society. Vaccines ingredredients include: Aluminum, Neomycin, Mercury, Formaldehyde, MSG, Bovine, Human Fetal Cells, Monkey kidney cells and many others.
If you truly believe the corporate controlled government puts children’s health over billions of dollars of subsidized profits for the drug industry then you are more trusting in than I. In 1983 children received roughly 12 vaccinations before the age of 5 years. Today the CDC recommends up to 42 vaccinations before this age. It is common sense that tells us that children’s immune systems would ultimately break down under this onslaught.

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great article!!
Posted by: rebeers01 on Oct 15, 2007 9:08 AM   
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Excellent article.

As a registered nurse and a liberal, I'm so happy to see this discussion on Alternet.

We need to make clear distinctions between legitimate questioning of current institutions and authorities and absolute hogwash conspiracy theories that are held mostly by self-serving individuals.

Well done!

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Vaccine Ingredients
Posted by: snowhound on Oct 15, 2007 10:02 AM   
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Provided by Kent Heckenlively, Esq., http://www.rescuepost.com/rescue_post/

Albumin from eggs, humans, and cows are used as a growth medium. Albumin refers generally to proteins with water solubility, normally found in blood or serum.

Aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate are all used as adjuvants to stimulate the immune system.
Amino acids are used as components of growth mediums.
Ammonium sulfate is used for protein fractionation. When not used in vaccines, it is commonly utilized as an agricultural fertilizer.
Amphotericin B is used as an antibacterial. This drug is often used intravenously for system-wide fungal infections.
Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is used as an antioxidant. You can also get it in your morning orange juice.
Bacto-peptone is used as a component of a growth medium. It is derived from a papaic digest (enzymatic activity) of gelatin.
Beta-propiolactone is used as a viral inactivator. It is listed as an air contaminant under the Occupational and Safety Health Act, an extremely hazardous substance under the Superfund, and a hazardous air pollutant under the Clean Air Act.
Benzethonium chloride is used as a preservative. It is toxic orally because it may cause failure in neuromuscular transmission as a result of pathological disturbances at the myoneural junction.
Bovine (cow) protein is used as a vaccine culture media.
Brilliant green is a dye used in vaccines. In addition to being used to dye silk and wood, it’s also effective against gram-positive microorganisms.
Calf skin is used as a vaccine culture media.
Chick kidney cells are used as a vaccine culture media.
Chicken embryos from fertilized eggs are used as a vaccine culture media.
Cohen-Wheeler, modified pertussis components are used as a vaccine culture media.
DNA is a manufacturing residue found in the vaccines.
Ethylenediamine-tetraacetic acid sodium (EDTA) is used as a preservative. Hey, isn’t that the chelating agent that when we use it is supposed to be so dangerous?
Egg protein is found as a manufacturing residue. (Aren’t some people allergic to eggs?)
Formaldehyde is used as an anti-microbial and preservative. I’m sure we all remember that wonderful chemical smell from biology when we did dissections.
Gelatin is used as a stabilizer in freeze-drying and as a solvent.
Gentamicin is used as an anti-bacterial. It works by binding the 30s subunit of the acterial ribosome, interrupting protein synthesis.
Glutaraldehyde is used as a toxin detoxifier. It’s used for industrial water treatment and as a chemical preservative.
Glycerin is used as a solvent.
Glycine is used as a protein stabilizer.
Human diploid tissue culture, specifically WI-38, is used as a vaccine culture media. This cell line was developed in 1962 by the Wistar Institute in Sweden from the lung cells of an aborted female fetus. The parents were reported to be healthy.
Human diploid tissue culture, specifically MRC-5, is used as a vaccine culture media. This cell line was developed by the Medical Research Council of England from the lung tissue of a fourteen-week old male fetus, removed for psychiatric reasons from the mother in 1970.
Hydrochloric acid is used to adjust pH.
Lactose is used as a stabilied as a solvent. Many autistic and even otherwise healthy children have trouble with milk products.
Lathman medium derive from bovine casein (cow’s milk) is used as a vaccine culture media.
Linggoud-Fenton media containing bovine extract (cow parts) is used as a vaccine culture media.
Glycine is used as a protein stabilizer.
Hydrochloric acid is used to adjust pH.
Magnesium stearate is used as a lubricant for capsule filling.

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vaccine ingredients continued
Posted by: snowhound on Oct 15, 2007 10:03 AM   
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Monkey kidney tissue culture, specifically from Vervet or African green monkeys, is used as a vaccine culture media.
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) is used as a stabilizer. Many Chinese restaurants advertise that their food is MSG-free. I wonder if that means it’s healthier?
Mouse brain is used as a vaccine culture media. I’ll bet you’d never have guessed that one.
Mouse serum protein is found as a manufacturing residue.
Mueller-Miller media is used as a vaccine culture media.
MRC-5 cellular protein is also found as a manufacturing residue. This protein is derived from the lung tissue of a male fetus which was aborted in England in 1970.
Neomycin is used as an anti-bacterial. It is also nephrotoxic and can cause kidney damage.
Phenol is used as a preservative and antibacterial. Phenols refer to any compound which contains a six-membered aromatic ring, bonded directly to a hydroxyl group.
Phenol red, or phenolsulfonphthalein, is used as a dye and pH indicator. It is also a weak estrogen mimic and can enhance the growth in culture of cells that express the estrogen receptor.
2-Phenoxyethanol is used as a preservative. It has the ability to inhibit phagocyte activity, meaning it is toxic to all cells. It can cause systemic poisoning, headaches, shock, weakness, convulsions, kidney damage, cardiac failure, and death.
Phosphate buffers such as disodium, monosodium, potassium sodium, and sodium dihydrogen phosphate are used to adjust pH.
Polydimethylsilozone is used as an anti-foaming agent.
Polyethylene glycol p-isooctylphenyl ether (Triton X-100) is used for viral inactivation. (I wonder what else it might inactivate?)
Polymyxin B is used as an anti-bacterial. It binds to the cell membrane and alters its structure, making it more permeable. The resulting water uptake leads to cell death. Side effects include neurotoxicity and acute renal tubular necrosis.
Polyoxyethylene 9-10 nonyl phenol (Triton N-101, octoxynol 9) is used for viral inactivation.
Polysorbate 20 is used as a surfactant.
Polyscorbate 80 is used as a surfactant.
Potassium glutamate is used as a stabilizer.
Rhesus monkey fetal lung tissue culture is used as a vaccine culture media. At least we’re more closely related to monkeys than mice!
Sodium acetate is used to adjust pH. Sodium acetate is the chemical that gives salt and vinegar chips their flavor.

Sodium borate is used to adjust pH. This substance is toxic to all cells, and has a slow excretion rate through the kidneys.
Sodium chloride is used to adjust tonicity. Also known as common table salt.
Sodium hydroxide is used to adjust pH.
Sorbitol is used as a stabilizer and solvent.
Soy peptone broth is used as a vaccine culture media.
Stainer-Scholte is used as a vaccine culture media.
Streptomycin is used as an anti-bacterial. Streptomycin stops bacterial growth by damaging cell membranes and inhibiting protein synthesis.
Sucrose is used as a stabilizer.
Thimerosal (mercury) is used as a preservative. We know the controversy this chemical has caused.
Unspecified vitamins are used as a component of a growth medium for the vaccines.
Yeast proteins are used as a component of growth mediums.
Okay, there’s no Z, but the list above contains just abut every other letter in the alphabet. Personally, I was exhausted by the time I got to thimerosal. But now you have a little more complete information about what’s in commercial vaccines, aside from the mercury and viruses.
I found forty-two different ingredients in the vaccines which cause me concern, especially when one is listed as an air contaminant under the Occupational and Safety Health Act (beta-propiolactone), causes “pathological disturbances at the myoneural junction (benzethonium chloride).

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Don't remember the epidemics of the past?
Posted by: Ruby on Oct 15, 2007 10:15 AM   
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How about the epidemics of the present? Autism, asthma, allergies, lupus, MS, diabetes, etc.--all the autoimmune diseases that are crippling our children and us right now? You think vaccines made us HEALTHIER? Open your eyes.

Read here: www.nvic.org and here: www.medalerts.org and here: nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm and here: members.aol.com/doctorrmosk/articles/immunizations_1.html and here: www.vaccineinfo.net.

Or keep your blinders on and keep repeating: All vaccines are equally wonderful and safe.

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The big Study
Posted by: snowhound on Oct 15, 2007 5:45 PM   
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That the government will forever refuse to conduct is a study between vaccinated children and unvaccinated children. This would prove once and for all if vaccines are causing all the immune disorders or not. How simple would it be.....
Alternet is run by the medical establishment.

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A brief look the story of HIV holds, dig into it, it falls apart
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Oct 15, 2007 8:41 PM   
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While I do not dispute the human suffering occurring, we must not forget this is still a scientific theory kids. It has not been proven.

While I doubt any of us here are world renowned virologists or microbiologists, I do try to listen to these scientists.

The brightest minds on the planet (in my opinion) are saying the theory that HIV causes AIDS is flawed. They cite the list of 60+ opportunistic infections which give false-positive results on HIV tests, as a possible source for gradual immune deficiency. AZT is highly toxic, and was a failed chemo-drug from the 60's.

So indeed these people are sick with something.
However after 20+ years of failure, it might be time to rethink our approach.

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I am a long term surviver
Posted by: tedster on Oct 15, 2007 10:19 PM   
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I have been positive for 18 years. I would challenge anybody to find somebody who has been positive that long without taking meds. The only ones that had are 1% of the population that has a genetic immunity.

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The AIDS controversy continues....as for Alternet...
Posted by: ekipnrut on Oct 17, 2007 2:06 PM   
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been there ..done that:
check out all the comments but particularly the next to last
one (mine) and the link therein...
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Remember more ...
Posted by: artifax on Oct 18, 2007 9:48 PM   
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if those who say they "remember" the terrible epidemics REALLY remembered well, they know that things like polio disappeared in Europe with little help from vaccines. American "Pharma-Logic" dramatically deduces that the vaccine killed off polio here without addressing its demise elsewhere without it. And, of course, without these heroics the assumption is the world would not have been saved.

Some points to ponder:

Viral and bacterial epidemics run their course. They don't continue to grow and wipe out the planet. They wax and wane, unless created by artificial means (like repeated mandatory toxic injections maybe?).

The reason chiropractors, homeopaths. nutritionists, herbalists and many other alternative practitioners may be down on vaccinations is that they understand that no pathogen has a chance against a well-functioning immune system. And they know that they (and we, with out lifestyle changes) can do things to strengthen it. Medicine NEVER strengthens immunity and has no clue how to do it, so it endlessly subjects us to dangerous substances and procedures to kill things the body can do better with some help.

And BTW, I've experienced the value of this type of work firsthand. The term "healing crisis" is foreign to the vaccine geniuses, but I assure you it's very real.

So if those who "remember" understood these points, maybe they'd also remember the stupidity of medicine in not understanding and applying the basics of natural human function that alternatives work with routinely. No vaccines necessary.

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