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Readers Write: Can Moore's SiCKO Make Health Care Reform Happen?

By AlterNet Staff, AlterNet. Posted August 21, 2007.


Will Moore's message travel beyond the progressive sphere and up the ranks on Capitol Hill? AlterNet readers weigh in.
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To say that Michael Moore's latest documentary, SiCKO, has created a buzz is a lot like saying the Bush family has dabbled in politics. In the nearly two months since the film has been out, discussions about it have exploded, making health care a hot topic in the media, among politicians and online -- especially among AlterNet readers.

This summer we published upwards of 20 blogs and articles on SiCKO, many of which generated a flurry of comments. In dealing with the frustration of America's broken health system, some of you shared your personal HMO horror stories; some of you moved to other countries; some of you pleaded with Michael Moore to run for President. And nearly all of you agreed that America's health care system is in a state of crisis and needs to be fixed immediately. Which prompts one question: Will SiCKO help make it happen?

Readers like Maryanne are counting on it. Seventeen years ago, her father was admitted to the hospital with heart failure. While there, he was left unattended in the bathroom, and when he tried to rise, he fell, broke his hip and needed surgery. He was then transferred to another hospital for rehab but again was left unattended, fell, broke his other hip and needed another surgery.

The problem, Maryanne writes, was with payment. The insurance company paid for his initial hospitalization and surgeries but refused to pay the cardiologist for continued visits after the fall. Maryanne's father became further weakened and confused and was placed in a nursing home. She considered suing but ultimately decided against it. "Money," she writes, "would not get us our Dad back."

Stories like Maryanne's, which Moore uses to form the narrative spine of his film, have left many viewers a combination of shocked, sad, angry and motivated for change.

"As much as I'd I looked forward to seeing Sicko, I didn't expect it to bowl me over as much as it did," daw13 writes. "Moore really captures a sense of how sick we are as a nation compared to others, raising the question, Why?

"The film left me more deeply aware of our pathology than I think I've ever been, in a way that causes me to feel even more sad than angry. As if seeing my homeland from a distant place."

To a reader who posts under the pseudonym zyswvut, Moore's film has the potential to be "a rallying point for people seeking progressive change."

"The two most important indices on whether a government gives a rap about its people are how it performs in the areas of health care and education," zyswvut continues. "Obviously it hasn't cared much in recent years. ... It's time that most Americans are honest with themselves about the exploitative nature of our health care system."

But is Moore preaching to the choir? Will his message travel beyond the progressive sphere and up the ranks on Capitol Hill, or are the forces he is up against too powerful?

For starters, Moore must deal with unfair attacks from the mainstream media and right-wing spin from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and Fox News -- a group that reader David V calls an "emboldened minority."

For years, he writes, these people have been drumming a dangerous message into American's brains: "'Conservatives are always right. Liberals are always wrong. Anything that is spoken, printed or written that goes against this fact is to be attacked without mercy, regardless of the facts. Rational debate is to be shunned. Name-calling, subjecting changing and personal insults are the preferred method.' Listen to any of the above-mentioned propagandists and you'll hear examples of this on a daily basis."

After seeing Moore's film get slimed on CNN, CatDad wrote, "The corporate media will not tolerate any ongoing and profound debate on our national shame of 47 millions Americans without access to health care in the world's wealthiest nation. Any profound "debate" will be intercepted and diverted away from the core issue of the critical need to provide health care to all Americans."

If Moore can get past conservative propaganda, he is still up against money-hungry industry.

"The lack of national health care in this country is just a symptom of a much deeper sickness in American social and political culture," Zooeyhall writes. "... As long as the measure of success in our country is 'if it makes money, you don't make apologies' nothing substantial will happen. And the health industry has been VERY good at making money for certain groups. You think they aren't going to give this up without a fight?"

"Knowing this 'fine' nation as I do, it won't be "sicko" that finally gets healthcare passed," writes a commenter who goes by the name paschn. "... What will get it done is the fact that BIG BUSINESS is behind it now. Because this nation, this culture hasn't the ability to think beyond their own comfort. As long as they're working, they could care less that millions of OTHER U.S. sheeples' jobs have been subsidized with our tax dollars for moves to 3rd world countries."

"Private health insurance, HMO's etc., are the nemesis preventing reform of health care in America right now," sofla100 writes in a similar vein. "With deep pockets and legions of lobbyists, they have many a politician under wraps. But, what may help is that many big corporations now feel under siege from health care costs. Recently, Toyota decided to locate a new auto assembly complex in the already heavily industrialized area of the Hamilton-Toronto corridor in Canada, instead of placing it in the USA. The health care costs were the factor. ... So, it may ultimately be that as America continues to loose ground due to rising health costs, losing industries might bring some pressure to bear on the Congress. Of course, it will not be the individual citizenry that brings about a change, despite Moore's polemic, they stopped mattering in money-controlled America [a] long time ago, but the corporate world vs. the corporate world (insurance), might bring about change."


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To my horror, CBC's Harper-kissing article...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 21, 2007 1:19 PM   
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on how actually, Canadians RESENT the quality of our HealthCare.
OH REALLY?

if there are ANY resentments about Canadian HealthCare, its NOTHING that certifying accredited foreign-educated/trained physicians...

or slamming some policies about spending fortunes in subsidizing Canadian physican's education... so they can spend all their 'spare' or non-required hospital hours billing @ pay-to-play Caribbean or US resorts for spoiled UberRiche or ButlerClass facelifts & 'jump the queue' for organ donations...

or even dare I suggest ... 'where do you think all those **Asian organ transplants** happen??

seriously. In those pay-to-play hospitals, right?
duh.

I'm not saying anybody actually ever uses all those organs sourced from Developing Nations or a 'human rights challenged' nation... much less imply that Canadians would be a party to it... but when one does all their $$$ surgeries overseas & outside their own communities...
maybe PEOPLE should be asking their friends where all those 'free BigPharma vacations' are from...

or those lovely gifts that are given to physicians...

what that hell is going on?

why are people training people in universities if they're all graduating bastards...?

maybe, something is wrong with North American medicine.

ON THE SAME period when the History of HealthCare in Canada documentary is being DELAYED for release until after an election...

nice...
all so ... convenient during a period of SPP protests where CANADIANS pepperspray FELLOW CANADIANS.

what is WRONG with us?

BlueBerry Pick'n
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Michael Moore is one of the most polarizing people in the country?
Posted by: Ellie1 on Aug 21, 2007 4:17 PM   
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I would say George W. Bushit wears that crown. May it wear heavy on his empty head.

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cumulative effect
Posted by: Ames on Aug 22, 2007 12:18 AM   
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movies like Sicko, even the great but now forgotten John Q, can only help in generating awareness, information and interest. What the public decides to do with it is up to the public. Unfortunately Michael Moore can't make it happen. WE must make it happen with our voices and our votes.

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Of course not... did his last movie hurt any deals with the Saudis?
Posted by: xbj on Aug 22, 2007 3:48 AM   
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Didn't change a thing but the slightest perception of the public. And that unfortunately is the hardest way to get anything done in this Nazi republic, because elected officials for the most part don't give a damn what the public thinks; they TELL them what to think through PR and political advertising, and the public ain't the ones giving them the money for it.

Why else do you think they let him succeed when they stop so many others dead in their tracks? He gives their regime legitimacy, the appearance of free speech and democracy.

The annointed. The judas goat. Hey it's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.

Which is why he's only NOW coming around to hinting at 9-11 truth.

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"Broken" medical system
Posted by: willymack on Aug 22, 2007 4:42 AM   
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Our medical system isn't broken. It's predatory. It's based on "pay up of get out". It's immoral. It's unregulated and unchecked. Michael Moore's movie "Sicko" is mostly preaching to the choir. Nine out of ten of the fatheads I talked to have no intention of seeing it, either at the theatre or on the DVD. I guess they're afraid it'll make them THINK, or challenge their dormant consciences. As long as there are so many dummies in our country, we'll NEVER have universal health care.

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Michael Moore is too polarizing
Posted by: drouse on Aug 22, 2007 4:57 AM   
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I can only judge by what I see myself in North Carolina, but his affect on people seems to be a bit like Rush Limbaugh's.

At first everyone who already agreed with him were encouraged that they were right (almost smug about it, in some cases) and everyone who already disagreed with him dismissed him (and some of them got quite angry with him).

By now, it seems that the only people who really pay attention to Rush/Moore are people who already agree with him or really, really hate him. Everyone else has other things to do and think about, I suppose.

Moore aside, I think most people instinctively know that the state of medicine in this country isn't fixable in the short term for the host of reasons mentioned in the article. Also, I think a lot of people believe that for every private medicine horror story Moore can come up with, someone can come up with a national medicine horror story from the UK or Canada. In fact, I be prepared to say that most people don't believe in perfect solutions in the first place -- no matter if they are being sold by Bush (the war) or Moore (medical care reform).

Unless you can afford a golden crap umbrella, crap will fall on you -- not that Americans are that cynical or depressed, again we've got other things to do and think about -- but it is a common sense philosophy.

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» RE: Michael Moore is too polarizing Posted by: KeepsonTickn
» RE: Michael Moore is too polarizing Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» RE: Michael Moore is too polarizing Posted by: SatanicJamboree
One disease with many symptoms
Posted by: NumberSix on Aug 22, 2007 6:13 AM   
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If we pull back a few thousand and study with a wider lens, we soon realize that issues like health care are but part of a bigger problem we face. We tend to get lost in the "symptoms" of this nation, without realizing they are all intertwined into one big, nasty, and yes, lethal disease.

But, let's do the ladder logic:

-To get a universal health care system operational, that will require legislators who don't listen to the whining lobbyists..

-To eliminate whining lobbyists, we must create a mechanism to nail their yaps permanently shut, so, our legislators listen to we, the people instead.

-Add to this ladder our other problems created by the influx of corruption and yes, bribery. Lobbying is bribery with another coat of paint to it.

Global warming. Oil Peak. Interference in global matters. Jobs. Health care. Many symptoms, one disease.

The disease is us. Period. We've a nation that crave profits and power. The America we knew disappeared, replaced with a fascist mentality, and the only god this nation knows is the Golden Calf.

Fix that, everything else will fix itself.

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Mike Moore is on point.
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 22, 2007 7:27 AM   
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government workers have universal healthcare, cause they take a portion out their checks each time, and I know the military has it too, and it's not much, either for I am a former military.

The only reason why it will never happen in this country, the richest-so far- in the world.......MONEY, MONEY MONEY!!!!!!!
that's what they want.

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Problem: One/Third Party System
Posted by: Moe Snodgrass on Aug 22, 2007 9:32 AM   
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The Repubs and Dems got into bed together to create the Commission on Presidential Debates, a private institution operated in collusion by prominent Democratic and Republican party operatives, to dictate total control over debate format, moderators, and who is invited to participate. Imagine the result in 2000 if Ralph Nader would have been granted the freedom to debate the ruling parties unencumbered? It would have been revolutionary to those citizens whose only source of info is broadcast news and the TV commercials of the candidates. Please realize that the CPD exists only to serve the complicity of the two major political parties and will be displaced or forced to change only in the face of powerful, organized opposition. The Repubs and Dems are too solidly entrenched in -- and empowered by -- a corrupt system to change anything and must be relegated to the dust bin of history along with the CPD. New voices must be widely disseminated and heeded until they too become corrupt and we relegate them, too. Please write your newspaper editor or blogger to initiate momentum NOW to end the rule of the CPD before the 2008 elections.

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Capitalist disease
Posted by: pzzp on Aug 22, 2007 9:51 AM   
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which causes people to look for profit on the way up, and on the way down. Shortage, catastrophe war, disaster, illness etc., are now all part of the "market economy". Eventually, they will remain the only basis of it.

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See IT
Posted by: Jeanne on Aug 22, 2007 10:41 AM   
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See it. SiCKO is revelatory; it is humorous; it is humiliating. I have to admit to being the "choir," but there were many elements that I was completely ignorant of. Some who have posted here liken Moore to Limbaugh, in that their audience bases are polarized. I would say the difference is that Moore's information is factual, researched, from-the-mouth, and true. You can choose not to believe it, you can choose to ignore it, but you can't say it is wrong. And the delivery is very palatable.

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» RE: See IT Posted by: CatDad
Moore, although correct, is too polarizing
Posted by: Jordonquits on Aug 22, 2007 12:37 PM   
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In SICKO, Moore brings a bunch of American's to Cuba to recieve healthcare that was unavailable to them im the States. The film gives the impression that any person, Cuban or American, can simply walk into a Cuban hospital and recieve first class healthcare. This is incorrect. The Cubans have a high doctor to patient ratio, and their healthcare is excellent compared to any other developing nation, however, the ease of access the Americans experience in the film must be partly staged. Both Moore, and the Cuban government, stand to benefit from giving the impression that the Cuban healthcare system is that good, so obviously, the Americans were given special treatment. Most people who watched this film will recognize this, and it will take away from the message Moore is trying to get across. If Moore spent more time giving an objective analysis of Canadian, British, and American healthcare, perhaps his message would reach more ears, instead of turning so many people off. Though Moore is correct in his analysis of the American healthcare system, his over the top style preaches only to the choir.

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ONLY WHEN WE MAKE IT HAPPEN
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 22, 2007 12:46 PM   
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We're the ones that has to get Healthcare for the People. We have the money hidden in 'Black Projects' and other secret funding. There's enough to fund healthcare fully. Expand Medical Research and all we want for our People.
We just have to put people into office that will do it,and do it now.
That would be me.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez
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I LOVE MICHAEL MOORE
Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 22, 2007 1:01 PM   
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I desperately wish and hope his movies can change this country.
I am afraid though, at this point the cancer is so deep-that the only real choice at this point is outright REVOLUTION.

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It's not just HMOs - it's academics and pharmaceuticals as well.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 22, 2007 1:17 PM   
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What needs to be done is to repeal Bayh-Dole - the legislation from the early 80's that allowed corporations to use public universities as their own private research parks.

As a result of this, you have incredible levels of corruption and dishonesty within the US academic system, particularly in the biomedical research areas - and more and more, university administrators are coming from this area, or right out of the pharmaceutical industry. As a result, US public universities are becoming little more than corporate research parks, run for the benefit of wealthy private interests.

The issue largely revolves around patents (especially in international trade agreements). Drug patents can be worth billions - but the truth is that older generic drugs are far cheaper and often work much better than the new, patented 'miracle drugs'. Thus, Big Pharma is fighting to find ways to preserve their grossly inflated profit margins - and they've come up with some very creative strategies to keep cheap generics from taking over.

A great example is Schwarzenegger's recent 'Prescription Drug Discount Bill' in California.

"The sweeping program would serve the uninsured who earn up to $60,000 a year for a family of four – about triple the federal poverty level – providing them with discounts of up to 40 percent on brand-name drugs and 60 percent on generic drugs, Schwarzenegger said yesterday at a news conference."

Sounds pretty good, doesn't it? However, a 60% discount on generics means they can't be sold. Generics sell at prices close to cost-of-production, while patented drugs sell at hugely inflated prices, far far above cost-of-production (joys of monopoly).

So, what's the real issue here? Read on:

"Medi-Cal, the federal/state program that serves about 6 million low-income residents, spends about $4 billion a year on prescription drugs.

Once a drug is taken off the Medi-Cal list, physicians have to obtain special permission to prescribe it, which could dramatically lower sales, costing drug companies millions in revenue."

Thus, what this program will do is kick the cheap generic drugs out of the Medi-cal program, forcing governments to foot the bill for the more expensive patented drugs.

For more on this, see Drugmakers' Control of Branded Product Affects Possible Savings, Washington Post, 2006

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» ABSOLUTELY !!! Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
Viva la revolution
Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 22, 2007 6:33 PM   
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Sadly, nothing short of a revolution will create the kind of momentum that will help fix our broken health care system. I don't watch conservative media as a whole. When I do, I get sick to my stomach. The wealthy producers know nothing about not being able to take their children to a dentist because they can't afford it. Their hospital stays are in the best private hospital rooms. Congressmen pay nothing out of pocket for their medical care. They need to sit in an emergency room and see what goes on with the "real" people. What's the likelihood that this will happen?

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» RE: Viva la revolution Posted by: WitchyNy
Why not nationalize the automotive industry?
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 24, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Why not nationalize the automotive industry?

GM and Ford have been major screwups over the last decade. They failed in countless ways. So does the government come in and bail them out? Or does another company come along and offer a better product for cheaper? Like Toyota perhaps?

What happens to companies like Toyota if the government comes in and starts running GM and Ford?

You have to apply the same logic to the health care industry as well. Because as far as the Constitution is concerned, health care is just like a car. Not everyone is entitled to own one. This aint a utopia we're living in here, and it never will be.

You think Big Pharma is going to just go away once the government comes in and takes over health care? LOL Big Pharma is the reason why the health care system is broken. They are a big part of the reason we really don't have a free market health care system. Blame the lobbyists, and blame the legislators, and blame ourselves for not getting more involved in the process. That would be the smart thing to do, no? Makes a bit more sense than blaming the market itself? (That sounds about as logical as Bush with his war on terra. Or the war on poverty.)

We already have more than enough government meddling in the healthcare system. They are chipping away at the free market every time they pass a law that unduly benefits Big Pharma. That is what needs to change. It is mere delusion to think that more government can somehow counter Big Pharma. There is no problem that can't best be solved by an informed, responsible citizenry and a free market. So if you want to change things then start from that approach. Either that, or shout out for national health care along with all those other naive feel-good ideas. If it feels so good, then shout it out while you are on your way to WalMart... to pick up another lead coated toy made in China. Either way, I'm sure your kids will love you for it.

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