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Health & Wellness

Can State Governments Set Up Universal Health Care on Their Own?

By Ezra Klein, Washington Monthly. Posted August 8, 2007.


The idea of letting states continue to take the lead on universal health care may sound tempting, but here's why it would likely be disastrous.
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It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system," Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis once mused, "that a single courageous state may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country." Well, quite. These days we practically expect the states to try their hand at fixing tricky national problems before the federal government steps in. So to many observers, when several states recently turned their attention to providing health care for the uninsured -- one of the thorniest domestic problems of all -- it looked like cause for considerable optimism.

For a start, both Massachusetts (which passed a near-universal plan last year) and California (which is seriously debating one) are trying something relatively new: individual mandates that require every person in the state to have health insurance. The fact that Democratic legislatures have pushed Republican governors -- one a presidential candidate (Mitt Romney), the other a celebrity (Arnold Schwarzenegger) -- to back the notion of universal care has given this perennial liberal dream a bipartisan cachet. It has also helped revive the national conversation around universal health care by moving the discussion from airy, moral exhortations to practical examples of possible paths forward. In fact, the leading Democratic presidential candidates have all committed themselves to universal health reform, some with plans that seem more than a little influenced by those statewide R&D centers. The laboratories of democracy appear to be in fine working order.

So far, so good. But we know that the politics of health care is treacherous. In the last half century, two presidents (Truman and Clinton) mounted serious efforts to provide health care to all the uninsured and failed, while another (FDR) scotched his ambitions when he appraised the obstacles. There's no reason to think that things will be any easier this time around. Consider this: congressional Democrats, despite their new majority, were recently unable to pass even minor tweaks to the Medicare prescription drug benefit. If a Democrat wins the presidency in 2008, he or she will face a daunting array of moneyed interests aiming to kill any universal health care program they attempt to pass.

Faced with such long odds, a conventional wisdom will soon develop that it would be better for Washington to defer efforts to pass universal health care, perhaps indefinitely, and instead just leave the problem to the states to figure out. Indeed, such arguments are already being voiced by ideological opponents of expanded federal power. "Let's just try many different approaches in many different states and see what happens," the Heritage Foundation's Stuart Butler told me. "The more complex an issue is, the less possible it is to actually know the best system in advance -- therefore a system of trial and error in which all these pieces work together is the best way to push forward."

The idea of giving universal health care a little more time in the laboratories of democracy may sound tempting to certain cautious, bipartisanship-loving Beltway observers. But letting states continue to take the lead would be disastrous, for one very simple reason: providing health care for all citizens is one of those tasks, like national defense, that the states are simply unequipped to manage on their own. The history of state health reform initiatives (and there's quite a history) is a tale of false hopes and great disappointments. The deck is stacked from the start, and the house -- in this case the insurers, the providers, and other agents of the status quo -- always wins. The new raft of reforms may prove different, but they probably won't. Universal care advocates must be realistic about that, and think hard about how to convert the energy in the states into a national solution before the current crop of novel experiments fail -- because fail they almost certainly will.

The current appetite for universal health care in state capitals may seem thrilling and unprecedented to some, but to those who follow the issue it carries an unsettling charge of déjà vu. Over the years, states have tried programs of many different ideological and economic persuasions. All of them failed, and not because the programs were insufficiently inventive, but because states are structurally incapable of sustaining them.


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Failure of National Will
Posted by: CatDad on Aug 8, 2007 2:46 AM   
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I guess those at top want lower taxes at all costs....doesn't matter if our road infrastructure is crumbling or if 15% of the population in the world's richest nation is denied access to health care....They want their "permanent" tax cuts to stay regardless....damn the consequences....bridges crumbling into rivers or self-employed workers without health insurance being forced into financial ruin/bankruptcy caused by a catastrophic medical event. Perhaps this is all end result our national narcissistic ideology: "I've got mine...screw you."

The USA has embraced conservative "free market" ideology with almost the same fervor as religious fundamentalism. The "free market" largely controls the entire health care system excluding coverage to seniors. To switch to a vastly more efficient single-payer plan that would cover everyone would create a huge problem: This would be an open admission that the our state religion of the "free market" is untrue....sort of like a Baptist minister getting in front of his congregation and saying that he doesn't believe that Jesus is the son of God.

We have all been propagandized into believing that private enterprise is ALWAYS more efficient than a government-run system. The gargantuan waste created by the multitude of private insurers...which chews up hundreds of billions in health care dollars in marketing and high-paying CEO jobs...flies directly in the face of our national state religion of the "free market."

Our leaders in government, who feign to represent us, will never admit that this "free market" has failed under any circumstances.

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» RE: Failure of National Will Posted by: richholland
» RE: Failure of National Will Posted by: richholland
Excuses, excuses, excuses
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 8, 2007 3:12 AM   
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I am tired of politicians and government workers shirking responsibility on these issues by moaning about it being somebody else's responsibility. I don't care where you sit in the hierarchy - city, state, regional, national - when you walk through those doors of your office building, you own your area. And when you own your area, you serve the people to the highest level with the money you have NOW. And, yes, that means being creative, ingenious, and resourceful. But you do it.

So, for the issue of health care, yes universal is possible at the state level. Just change the parameters. Make it more like a Cuban service if you are flat broke. But you can do it.

The city of Toronto is a good example of the sort of weak-willed, dithering politicians who pass for progressive these days (they don't make em of the same stuff as they used to). The weak-willed mayor likes to ride the subway with a giant mock cheque of all the money that the city is owed by provincial and federal government. He then waves it around whenever people complain about all the potholes, or the subway being partially shut down, or all the homeless people freezing to death in the winter. But you know what? That is so deeply lame. What such 'progessives' should do is this: of course always fight for more money and the money you are owed, but then shut the fuck up and do an audit of the needs and what resources you really have right now. And then make sure that the city is run well for everyone there. And that will mean some services will need to be no-frills. But no-frills doesn't mean crappy or shit. That means maybe you don't get to spend half your week jetting to conferences in exotic locations with your assistant with the fuck-me pumps and the micro skirt. Maybe you will need to take her to Motel 6 more often.

Focus more, get thick on the ground in your area. Bring people together, rather than like Hillary pushing them away. You can do it: people in the past did, often with a lot less than we have these days.

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Difficult, not "disastrous"
Posted by: JoshM on Aug 8, 2007 3:31 AM   
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The struggle for universal coverage is alive and well in Washington State. Click here for some idea what it might look like:

http://www.wacitizenaction.org/hc/shc.shtml

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State Health INsurance no solution
Posted by: richholland on Aug 8, 2007 3:35 AM   
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The confederation of Europe has experiences with;
1. state health insurance
2. non profit health insurance
3. health insurance by profit aiming insurancecompanies.

The result is that in the end state health insurance was more expensive then private insurance.
However below a certain salary you were obliged to be insured by the non profit health insurance.

Since a couple of years everybody is insured by profit aiming companies but the premium is quaranteed by the state.
The companies are allowed to have a healthy return on investment. In the shareholdersmeeting you will find civil servants and trade unions and capitalists.
If you want extraas like the dentist, travel insurance etc etc. you can have additional insurance.

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» No Profits Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: No Profits Posted by: richholland
» Holland? Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» This is simply not true Posted by: themotie
If you make a point, prove it.
Posted by: edith on Aug 8, 2007 3:36 AM   
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Klein spends considerable, nearly all his time showing why prior state health care plans haven't work. He introduces his essay with the assertion that only federal health care can work. However, after a thorough review of unsuccessful or unique health care plans that won't work for every state, he fails to demonstrate why the federal govt would fare any better. He simply asserts that the feds will do better, without empirical evidence or without reasonable examples of how federal health care would avoid state pitfalls.

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» RE: If you make a point, prove it. Posted by: richholland
» The Weather is Changing Posted by: edith
You forgot Wisconsin
Posted by: jlohman on Aug 8, 2007 4:32 AM   
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How can you write a story like this and leave out one of the best state solutions ever? Wisconsin is heading in the right direction; eliminating the health insurance bureaucracy that consumes 31% of costs without ever providing direct patient care. Massachusetts is an insurance industry protection racket.

See the following Wisconsin web sites:

About Healthy Wisconsin: www.healthywisconsin.net
From a Republican senator: http://tinyurl.com/yunecm
From the Business Coalition for Single-Payer Healthcare: www.businesscoalition.net

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This article is full of crap
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Aug 8, 2007 5:47 AM   
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single payer should proceed at the state level. That is the way to go because the citizens of a state are more trusting of each other than at a national level.
THe only problem that could stop it is immigration. If the populist insurgency against mass immigration continues to succeed at the federal level, that could help the states succeed with their own single payer plans.

Also helping the states suceed in single payer is the trend even in the democratic party to decrease middle class taxes. That would leave more room for the states to tax to fund single payer healthcare.

But it will never happen. For one we have fakeLeftist propagandists spreading propaganda to kill off single payer healthcare at the state level, based on all sorts of bogus rationales.

Ahem.....

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» Absolutely NOT correct. Posted by: jlohman
» Glad you asked. Posted by: jlohman
» RE: Glad you asked. Posted by: attw3
» Good thing you showed up, EG Posted by: hagwind
» Wow... Posted by: jlohman
» Don't like the USA? Posted by: sausage
Universal + privatized = Failure
Posted by: antiapathy on Aug 8, 2007 6:29 AM   
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So the author has proven that states can't force private health insurance companies to cover the sick and the poor at reduced premiums. well, DUH.

Have any states tried to convert to single payer? Single payer would reduce the costs put into the system and vastly improve the benefits we get from it. The only downside is the hundreds of private insurance bureaucrats and application-deniers who will lose their jobs. Fortunately they'll still have health insurance :)

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Health Care Does Not Equal Health Coverage
Posted by: mthemba on Aug 8, 2007 6:58 AM   
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Although I appreciate Mr. Klein's analysis of health coverage policies at the state level, the all too common confusion of coverage and care is not helpful. As long as we tie care to insurance companies -- public or private -- we miss the point. Universal care, best provided in a single payer system, has not yet been done by any state. The Massachusetts plan attempts to provide a mix of financing approaches to *coverage* but does not provide universal care. In fact, most health care activists there will readily tell you that theirs is a political solution. The lesson is in how they built the political majority not the plan itself.

Although there are real options for states to advance single payer alternatives (and they should), it is at the county level where there is the most leeway (and likely progressive political power) to create alternative systems of care.

Of course, we have to continue our fight for a national single payer system while we work to ensure people are cared for right now. The mechanics of providing care are simple. It's the politics that are complicated.

For more info on single payer, visit Healthcare Now at www.healthcare-now.org

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Ezra Klein's article sounds pro-free market
Posted by: skepticgod on Aug 8, 2007 7:05 AM   
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Ezra Klein's article sounds pro-free market, in favor of the free markets taking care of our health? What we need is nationalization of the health, not privatization of it !!

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cripes!
Posted by: lordzombie on Aug 8, 2007 7:06 AM   
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if you want a lab to test it, why not look at the systems of other countries, european countries have been doing this stuff for years, their citizens are healthier, and last time i checked theyre not going down the tubes.

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Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Aug 8, 2007 7:10 AM   
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Why not let states experiment? Saskatachewan pioneered the excellent Canadian system in 1938 and it wasn't until 1970 and a federal mandate that British Columbia finally joined in. In fact, their system is still administered at the provincial level although the governing rules are federal. This permits accounting for the radically different costs of living throughout the country - something the US has as well.

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» RE: Paul Cardwell Posted by: jmooney
Attack The Insurance Vampires
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 8, 2007 7:12 AM   
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Universal healthcare does not work unless you remove the insurance companies utterly. That's a pretty steep uphill battle for you because they have their tentacles tightly wrapped around both parties.

In reading numerous articles about health insurance in America, I had never seen anyone mention how much the average person pays and I was curious. So I went to the Blue Cross/Blue Shield site and did an online quote for a family of four, non-smokers.

Man! The monthly premiums were as high as $1100.00 per month, depending on coverage. That's outrageous! If we were asked to pay that in Canada, there would be riots. I don't know how you guys pay these premiums, even the lower ones. Hell, my car insurance is $120.00 a month, and I think that's a rip off, but your health care premiums are highway robbery.

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unsupported conclusion
Posted by: garella on Aug 8, 2007 7:41 AM   
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Klein reviews a series of flawed attempts to expand health care coverage and concludes: "the results are pretty clear: states are no good at delivering universal health care."

If he had been advising Thomas Edison during the development of the light bulb, Edison would have given up after the horsehair filament burned out. We might still be using gas lamps.

Of course, in this case there's no need to rely on insufficient experimental evidence from previous state efforts. There is working proof of a state-based (strictly speaking, province-based) solution right next door.

The problem is that no state has tried what works. The health insurance lobby and its friends doesn't want to see that experiment, even in one state out of 50 -- because they're afraid it will work.

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Curious pattern of failure
Posted by: sausage on Aug 8, 2007 8:18 AM   
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According to the story just when a state healthcare program seemed on the road to success there followed came a sudden and devastating economic downturn and increases in unemployment which translated into more need for the state-run healthcare system program, causing shortfalls in tax revenues, which in turn led to draconian cuts in benefits. Finally said state-run healthcare programs collapse under their own weight. And, naturally, the free marketeers say, "We told you so."

But of course, in our "free market" economy these downturns are as unforeseen as hurricanes or tornadoes, and occur with the same frequency. The "free market" works in the mysterious ways of nature; some "invisible hands" push while other "invisible hands" pull the economy willy-nilly without, and so much the better, human intervention.

Despite the fact that Dempublicans and Republicrats have made all us of accessories in propping up the "free market," through the expansion of 401k and IRA personal responsibility retirement schemes, in reality a tiny group of wealthy investors have far greater influence on the economy that the rest of us combined. But never mind the Plunge Protection Team only exists in the fevered imaginations of conspiracy nuts.

So it must be true that mighty, unseen forces of nature, like earthquakes, hurricanes, doomed Hawai'i', Tennessee, Oregon and Washington's healthcare programs. Thusfar Massachusetts' mandated health insurance law, as Ezran Klein points out, is working. Undoubtedly this due to the state's stronger fiscal seawalls and fianacial tornado warning systems put in place by its heavy economic dependence on defense-security contrators.

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North to Canada I am a-goin'
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 8, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Ok---maybe I am suffering from "liberal despair", but I am SERIOUSLY thinking about moving to Canada. The attiudes displayed by the ruling calls in this country over the recent impetus for national health care has been the straw that broke this camel's back.

As a farmer in rural Nebraska, I live in the middle of the swamp of the Jesus saves-god hates fags-"where's the nearest Walmart"-"my AK-47 or my life"-beer drinking--pickup driving--tractor puller yahoos. I am absolutely climbing the walls!

The lack of national health care is only one of the symptoms of a much much deeper malaise in body of American society. I am getting out before it reaches the terminal stage.

The local mega-hog farm has offered me big bucks for my land. Why not take it now and move north? I know that Canada isn't perfect and has it's problems also. But at least they recognize it and don't try to shove the bible or the flag in your face when you try to discuss them or find solutions.

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» RE: welcome to your new home! Posted by: Bearzerker
The feds do such a great job with levees, wars, energy policy...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 8, 2007 8:28 AM   
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...so why shouldn't we put them in charge of health care, too?

That's probably unfair. Piling up earth beside flood-prone bodies of water abutting sub-sea level dense population centers was probably too complicated; after all, who could have ever foreseen the need for a well-maintained, good levee around the Big Easy?

Let's let them start out with something easy like brain surgery; that's a fair...err...handicap, right? After all, they're just trying to take care of children. Or something.

Bring on the universal payer (taxpayers), single-provider (BushandHilaryCooperativeInc) model. Bonus: establishing a prominent role for the feds--maybe call it Federally Established Medical Agency*--in the health care sector will throw a bone to the population reduction advocates.

*the acronym has a catch ring to boot, no?

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» Yet ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Unfortunate reality. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Unfortunate reality. Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Commonly phramed argument, respun. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» That would be ... Posted by: themotie
At this time we need to eliminate all privatized health insurance...
Posted by: djnoll on Aug 8, 2007 8:55 AM   
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I know this sound radical, but even Medicare takes its lead from the private health insurance industry, and if anyone thinks that Medicare is paying the bill, they have not used that system lately. If my father had not had supplemental private insurance two years ago, a need pushed on him by Medicare cutbacks, he would have owed nearly $50,000 in medical bills for a medical emergency. The amount paid these days by Medicare does not even begin to cover even the most basic of medical care needs for those with chronic or critical medical care. Forget such things as mental health care or some forms of new treatments for cancer or AIDS. This program is administered at the federal level in so far as that agency overseas the private insurers who actually administer the payments. Try finding a doctor who will take a Medicare patient without a prolonged wait for an appointment, when they will take a private insurance patient or cash patient immediately for the same problem, I can tell you from personal experience it is nearly impossible. In addition, many of the supplemental programs dictate what doctors you can see and PPOs limit your options dramatically.

There is a history in this country of taking successful local programs and attempting to expand them into national programs. Health care and health coverage is just the latest argument to come up. When a program is successful on a small scale, it does not always expand successfully because the funding and administration become political footballs. Unfortunately, we are talking about the lives of people and children when we discuss health care, and these should never be political footballs.

One of the other posters indicated that states can better meet the needs of their citizens because they have a better understanding of their needs locally. Health care cannot be a "one size fits all" type of program. For example, Arizona and Florida have very large populations of elderly patients who need geriatric medical services, while states like California and New York have large family populations and large low-income populations which all have medical needs that are different from those of the middle American farm belt populations.

A universal health care program on a national level would have to be constantly be fought over by the states for funding. Doctors would find themselves being dictated to as to length of treatment or need for hospitalization (oh, right, Medicare does that now) by administrators from the government. (of course, some doctors like that because it gives them a scapegoat for poor medical care). It is time for the states to hire the doctors needed to administer a statewide, universal health care program that would include actual medical care based on medical training, not technicians and glorified nurses; get the private insurance companies out of the practice of medicine; and get the federal government out of universal health care and all the politics attached to it.

As for Medicare, it needs to be revamped and become either a truly federal program administered by federal employees, not private contract insurance companies, or it must be left to the states to create universal health care on a localized level and scrap Medicare completely. Personally, I am voting for a state program as the best alternative for the people of this nation.

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The Govt owes us Healthcare
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 8, 2007 9:17 AM   
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For better that 150 years we've been stoking the fires of hell in creating the Industrial Era. Chief agent in this energy debacle was coal. It gave us alot of things we did'nt have before,steam heat, better indoor heating, fuel for industry,soot so thick you could taste it. Adding the fossil fuel of oil and gas and you had the total chemical gas package.
Now we all have been exposed to the horror stories of acid rain,CO2,global warming, changing atmosphere. They are all true. They just left out the real bad part,the part that would have shut them down 150 years ago, and the reason the Government OWES US HEALTHCARE. Fossil fuels are chuck full of millions of years of MERCURY.
Now fast forward 150 years to today and what have we got?
Metric tons of the crap falling on us,contaminating the ground,the plants we eat, the water we drink,swim in,bathe in,boat in, It has creeped into every cell in our bodies and will do so for hundreds of more years.
Because the Government has set the air quailty standards, they bear the responsibiliyt of caring for the people they have affected by their laws,ALL OF US. Mercury damages the circulatory system, the heart and veins and arteries. It can cause them to malform,cause weakness in the walls of the vessels and you die from them blowing up. Mercury destroys the nervous system in the body. Giving us autisim, slowed brain develpoment , strokes,migrains,numbness and sensitivity issues. Mercury in pregnant women causes embryo development problems, problems carrying the baby full term. Mercury contamination will lead o early death.
The three compounds i've detailed are alone enough to say to the government, " GIVE US HEALTHCARE!" There's hundreds more compounds in the air and just as deadly. I say " YOU OWE US HEALTHCARE" They the "Elected Ones' have been vomiting up plan after plan and yacking about who is the one that shot it down,and they're all full of bullshit. If it was'nt for the fact that most of them have contributors that want to see healthcare in private hands,we would have had it a long time ago. I think the line 'to promote the General Welfare' pretty well screams healthcare,but I'm told you don't have to live up to a preamble. Horse shit!!
If the thoughts were strong enough to to be expressed they should certainly be honorable enough to follow as domestic policy.
That's why Healthcare would be in an 'Always Funded' sector of the Federal government, Black Projects are there,we'll just dump a few and that will be that. Dare to imagine a healthcare system where you could get treated for any ailment at any age,advances would be rapid because they would'nt be fight over R/D dollars. We can havee it that way. Hell we deserve uit that way.
They've been poisoning us for generations. Their 'price of progress' has a toll. We can have the nation we want we just have to;
THINK OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM

DRAFT JEFFREY7 FOR PREZ '08 it's the only vote that counts!!!

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» Huh? Posted by: hagwind
» RE: Huh? Posted by: attw3
SPAN
Posted by: dayenta on Aug 8, 2007 10:00 AM   
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Here in Ohio, we have a rapidly growing movement for Single Payer Action Network/SPAN. We KNOW it can work. If the federal government won't get off its tush and give us what we need, we can certainly get it here in Ohio!

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» RE: SPAN Posted by: attw3
bullshit
Posted by: lindalee on Aug 8, 2007 10:03 AM   
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A few years back I saw a list of companies that had the most workers getting state health care in Massachusetts. Walmart, Stop and Shop (they are unionized!) and Dunkin Donuts were in the top 3. This new law has employer responsibility of $295 a year per employee if employers do not cover their workers (Mitt tried to veto this part of it but failed). Whoopee. Walmart can choose not to put any money into healthcare and let the taxpayers pay the rest. The whole thing disgusts me.

The idea of personal responsibility instead of corporate responsibility is a GOP idea and we are a democratic state.

On a side note, Mitt Romney was the worst governor we ever had. He did nothing and left a deficit in the billions....and lied about it. The man is a joke.

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Don't stop thinking about tomorrow!
Posted by: MAD on Aug 8, 2007 10:26 AM   
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"If a Democrat wins the presidency in 2008, he or she will face a daunting array of moneyed interests aiming to kill any universal health care program they attempt to pass."

Maybe it's time to start KILLING the moneyed interests?!

This shithole of a country is the decaying apple resting in the gutter, crawling with greedy flies. There is no reasonable solution. Wake the fuck up! Now, let's all sing along:

"No Health Insurance Blues"

"Whether it's a toothache or a coronary occlusion. you can rest easy cuz the Dems are gonna fix it - yessirreee!

Feeling down? Just have another Paxil! Feeling stiff from a bout with arthritis? Just pop another Vioxx and you'll be feeling better in a jiffy!

Scared and frightened cuz some Lexus drivin' business man drove over your uninsured daughter? Never fear the Dems are gonna make sure your little one gets the best third-rate care state money can buy!"

Dems - the wonder party that does nothing!!

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This article's premise is wrong
Posted by: tomkara on Aug 8, 2007 10:53 AM   
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The main premise of this article is that "the house" (meaning the forces against a single payer universal system) "always wins". The author doesn't seem able to imagine that "the house" doesn't have to win - if we begin to elect representatives who will actually represent our interests instead of the interests of lobbyists. For starters, we can begin to join with those who are demanding that Democrats start acting like Democrats. Organizations like MoveOn have started to call Democrats on their votes, but not enough to make a difference. I suggest they begin to LIST those Democrats who are not voting progressively, and focus on those problem Democrats by doing what we can to see that they aren't nominated again, or if nominated, aren't elected -make sure they know progressive voters will desert them! The problem Democrats need to be put on notice. A recent MoveOn action alert asked me to call my (Republican ) representative about FISA. The problem, of course, isn't my Republican representative - it's the Democrats who, if they all voted as progressives, could have refused to give Bush more FISA power. So with health care, we need to call Democrats whenever they compromise progressive principles. As others have noted, requiring everyone to buy private health insurance is not progressive.

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Er...
Posted by: EKSwitaj on Aug 8, 2007 11:08 AM   
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Why is there a sentence about requirements for gaining access to the Oregon market in the paragraph about the state of Washington? The two divided quite a long time ago, you know.

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Change is coming
Posted by: MrLucky on Aug 8, 2007 2:51 PM   
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Please come to the Great Health Care Rally in Los Angeles CA on Saturday August 11th @ 1P.M. at Los Angeles City Hall.
We will be supporting Senator Sheila Kuehl's SB 840 for Universal Single Payer Health Care

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Prevention is THE only way out of this mess-State Or Feds
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 8, 2007 3:32 PM   
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Here we go again talking about who is going to pay for a treatment oriented disease care system we cannot economically afford or sustain at the federal level but even more so at the state level.

Some of the state plans have incorportated prevention. I like former Gov Dr.John Kitzhaber from Oregon for example and hopefully these creative states will embarass the FEDS to move. I say before 2110.

Also Mayor Mike Bloomberg of NYC is pushing prevention.

Basically however I agree with Ezra Klein. Unless Vermont's succession from the US movement succeeds, US Health Care Reform,desperately overdue,belongs at the Federal level

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» Agreed!... Posted by: Bearzerker
» RE: Agreed!...GREAT Bearzerker Posted by: drricklippin
"Standard" Medical Care Extremely Wasteful And Expensive
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Aug 8, 2007 4:34 PM   
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Because it is treatment and technology oriented, instead of focusing on prevention and natural methods. The cost of standard "Western" medicine is growing exponentially with the invention of every new drug and technology. At the current rate of growth, this increasing complexity will eventually put it out of the price range of all but the wealthy few. It's time to look for simpler and cheaper methods of maintaining health, rather than frantically rushing around trying to find methods of funding this expanding monstrosity.

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Health insurance isn't health care
Posted by: solar on Aug 8, 2007 6:28 PM   
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Can we please, please, please, please do everything we can when engaging in this discussion about health care to avoid equating health insurance with health care? I see the two terms used interchangeably, as you did in this article and it's making me crazy. Let's remember that Moore's movie wasn't about uninsured people it was about people who were insured but who weren't getting health care they needed.

We can't have an honest discussion of the real problem in this country if we don't clearly identify the nature of the problem and create solutions to address that, not just do more of the same old crap that hasn't been working.

If the people that do have health insurance in this country can't get decent health care then simply expanding health insurance to everyone won't solve the health care crisis.

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Before praising the Massachusetts law
Posted by: Lizmv on Aug 8, 2007 7:08 PM   
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Let's see how well it works first.

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We are already paying for universal health care--
Posted by: eridani on Aug 8, 2007 7:29 PM   
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--we just aren't getting it. Of course states can't take care of people with the money they currently have in their annual budgets which of course fluctuates. What they don't have is access to the money siphoned out of the health care dollar pool by private insurers. They can get it with single payer legislation, and they can put it in a separate trust fund like Social Security and not have it competing with roads and schools every legislative session.

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RE: Failure of National Will
Posted by: sea4th on Aug 8, 2007 9:34 PM   
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I have learned over the years that most objections to change are not a matter of possibility, but of ideology. An example is how there never seems to be enough money for the programs you don't like, but plenty for the programs you do like.

Take Bush's War for example. According to the conservative, America can not "afford" the costly and ruinous social health
care the liberals have always wanted. But, we can always afford the wars for fun and profits that "defending America"
provides for the investor class.

Don't get caught up in this BS that America can't "afford" universal health care provided by a single payer system administered by Medicare or a new organization dedicated
to the health of people rather than corporations. It's all part of defending the "stability" of the system.

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» RE: Failure of National Will Posted by: richholland
States should form a Health Care co-operative until...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 9, 2007 1:59 PM   
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... the federal Government gets their shit together...

Consider it like a single desk solution of the willing... it would drastically reduce costs to all member states and "a constitution of principles" could/should be adopted...

Also it would be the starting of a domino effect that will definitely force the hands of obfuscating federal politicians... It's disgusting that this kind of pressure is needed when they are being elected on a single platform promise...

A marketing board in health care makes a lot of sense for the short term, but it is most desirable to have a federally recognized system in place ASAP...

Keep this election cycle simple, keep the principles focused and on "ONE" principle concern...
Vote for Universal Health Care!

LET THE DEBATES BEGIN... THE SOONER IT STARTS THE BETTER IT WILL BECOME...
LETS START HEARING THE CANDIDATES PLANS NOW PLEASE!

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If the Federal Government wont act...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 14, 2007 9:05 PM   
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... a co-operative solution between like minded states could act as a purchase house to drastically reduce costs to the end user of these services.

What I mean is ...a Co-op between State Legislatures... to get cost effective medical coverage to there voting base. The more states that get on board this Co-Op, the cheaper it would cost the voters and the more pressure this would put on the federal government to nationalize a cogent national system...
Its how we up here in Canada got our national coverage... it all started by a crazy Saskatchewan Premier named Tommy Douglas... and his little push ended up as a national program...

Maybe thats all thats needed... a little farmer Co-operative initiated by individual State legislatures to get the ball rolling federally...

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