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Health & Wellness

An Immoral Philosophy

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times. Posted August 1, 2007.


What kind of philosophy says that it's O.K. to subsidize insurance companies, but not to provide health care to children?
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When a child is enrolled in the State Children's Health Insurance Program (Schip), the positive results can be dramatic. For example, after asthmatic children are enrolled in Schip, the frequency of their attacks declines on average by 60 percent, and their likelihood of being hospitalized for the condition declines more than 70 percent.

Regular care, in other words, makes a big difference. That's why Congressional Democrats, with support from many Republicans, are trying to expand Schip, which already provides essential medical care to millions of children, to cover millions of additional children who would otherwise lack health insurance.

But President Bush says that access to care is no problem -- "After all, you just go to an emergency room" -- and, with the support of the Republican Congressional leadership, he's declared that he'll veto any Schip expansion on "philosophical" grounds.

It must be about philosophy, because it surely isn't about cost. One of the plans Mr. Bush opposes, the one approved by an overwhelming bipartisan majority in the Senate Finance Committee, would cost less over the next five years than we'll spend in Iraq in the next four months. And it would be fully paid for by an increase in tobacco taxes.

The House plan, which would cover more children, is more expensive, but it offsets Schip costs by reducing subsidies to Medicare Advantage -- a privatization scheme that pays insurance companies to provide coverage, and costs taxpayers 12 percent more per beneficiary than traditional Medicare.

Strange to say, however, the administration, although determined to prevent any expansion of children's health care, is also dead set against any cut in Medicare Advantage payments.

So what kind of philosophy says that it's O.K. to subsidize insurance companies, but not to provide health care to children?

Well, here's what Mr. Bush said after explaining that emergency rooms provide all the health care you need: "They're going to increase the number of folks eligible through Schip; some want to lower the age for Medicare. And then all of a sudden, you begin to see a -- I wouldn't call it a plot, just a strategy -- to get more people to be a part of a federalization of health care."

Now, why should Mr. Bush fear that insuring uninsured children would lead to a further "federalization" of health care, even though nothing like that is actually in either the Senate plan or the House plan? It's not because he thinks the plans wouldn't work. It's because he's afraid that they would. That is, he fears that voters, having seen how the government can help children, would ask why it can't do the same for adults.

And there you have the core of Mr. Bush's philosophy. He wants the public to believe that government is always the problem, never the solution. But it's hard to convince people that government is always bad when they see it doing good things. So his philosophy says that the government must be prevented from solving problems, even if it can. In fact, the more good a proposed government program would do, the more fiercely it must be opposed.

This sounds like a caricature, but it isn't. The truth is that this good-is-bad philosophy has always been at the core of Republican opposition to health care reform. Thus back in 1994, William Kristol warned against passage of the Clinton health care plan "in any form," because "its success would signal the rebirth of centralized welfare-state policy at the very moment that such policy is being perceived as a failure in other areas."

But it has taken the fight over children's health insurance to bring the perversity of this philosophy fully into view.

There are arguments you can make against programs, like Social Security, that provide a safety net for adults. I can respect those arguments, even though I disagree. But denying basic health care to children whose parents lack the means to pay for it, simply because you're afraid that success in insuring children might put big government in a good light, is just morally wrong.

And the public understands that. According to a recent Georgetown University poll, 9 in 10 Americans -- including 83 percent of self-identified Republicans -- support an expansion of the children's health insurance program.

There is, it seems, more basic decency in the hearts of Americans than is dreamt of in Mr. Bush's philosophy.

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Where does the money go?
Posted by: TT5 on Aug 1, 2007 2:57 AM   
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Good question!

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You Rock, Krugman!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 1, 2007 3:09 AM   
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As usual, Paul Krugman nails it (Yes, kiddies, there still is a reason to spend your hard-earned money on the New York Times). A society can be judged by the way it treats its children. As you can plainly see, we rate very low.

Remember when the First Fool ran for the White House way back in 2000? Remember all the nonsense about "Compassionate Conservatism"? Remember when he said, "I'm gonna restore honor and integrity to the White House"? Remember when he said "I'm a reformer with results"? Well, my goodness! He sure gave us some results, didn't he?

Someday we'll look back on all this and laugh....

No we wont.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: You Rock, Krugman! Posted by: VZEQICVA
» I know what Bush's problem is... Posted by: fearless flower
» RE: I know what Bush's problem is... Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon
» Kiddies? Posted by:
sigh
Posted by: mombot on Aug 1, 2007 4:34 AM   
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Once again Bush shows no grasp of what most of us have to endure. HE doesn't have to go to the emergency room for his care! I'd like to see him wait 6 hours to get care. My now 3 year old fell when he was about 2 while at a friend's house and needed stitches to his forehead. I got to the emergency room at 7pm. We saw the doctor at 1am. The emergency room was at capacity plus. One lady left to take her chances elsewhere. She was having heart problems! The next time they do the colonoscopy on Bush, maybe they can shove some sense in there...

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» RE: sigh Posted by: custersbud
» RE: sigh Posted by: mombot
» RE: sigh Posted by: Bozwell
» ER's are FULL Posted by: gellero
Not Im-moral, Un-moral
Posted by: talkville on Aug 1, 2007 5:00 AM   
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The single value is profit as an end in itself. All other values, in whatever order, are made irrelevant, indifferent and/or inferior to that value. It is non-ethics.

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Bush's policy makes perfect sense
Posted by: daw13 on Aug 1, 2007 6:55 AM   
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if your goal is to shift control over all policy from government to the private sector. Think Tammany. Think fascism.

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» Think Dark Ages. Posted by: Sojourner
Hey nutcase...LEGAL solutions only please
Posted by: harpy on Aug 6, 2007 7:41 AM   
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posts like yours will bring the SS to your door, and Bill'O making crazy statements about Alternet on Faux Noise. Hope they pull you quickly.

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Careful
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 1, 2007 8:01 AM   
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Be careful, lest you attract unwanted attention with such comments from people who don't realize that you're joking (you *are* joking!).

What do you suppose is the most minor offense required to label somebody an enemy combatant? That's right: nothing. Filing charges - even needing a charge to file - is passe.

DON'T publish comments like these even in jest. Somebody may mind.

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» Ditto: Careful Posted by: Sojourner
Ever hear of succession?
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Aug 1, 2007 8:55 AM   
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Depending on where you are writing this your comment may very well be illegal and even if it isn't you are foolish to post it for several reasons.

1) If Bush were to be assasinated it would be an absolute political victory for neoconservatism. There are countless ways that such an act could be capitalized on.
2) If Bush were to expire, for any reason, Dick Cheney would become President.
3) The secret service takes comments like yours seriously.

Think before you write.

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Practice on yourself first
Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 1, 2007 9:49 AM   
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If you live, go read the Constitution. Laws prevent owners from selling people like you to Chinese salt mine conglomerates. Use laws to make change.

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» RE: Practice on yourself first Posted by: talkville
I find it ironic...
Posted by: djnoll on Aug 1, 2007 7:54 AM   
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that Republicans in 1995 re-wrote welfare programs and our children and their families were devastated. Now their President is doing the same to the health care for these very same children. It is apparent that this thing who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has no concept of what Emergency
Rooms are for - after all he never has to go through one, and if he did, the Secret Service would clear the room before he ever arrived for care.

One of the biggest problems in health care since 1995 has been the need for families to depend on the Emergency Rooms for basic medical care, not emergencies. These facilities are set up for trauma care, not colds and flu or sprained ankles. Their staffs are specially trained and costly, as is the specialized equipment that must be kept there for emergency use. I have been in an emergency room on only a few occasions for emergency matters, but my bills were through the roof, and I did not have insurance! How can any parent, short of a life or death situation, justify going to an emergency room before it become life or death? They can't, so they wait hoping that some miracle will help their child. by the time it reaches the state of an emergency, the costs are enough to bankrupt the average family.

Now they run into the situation when they get to the ER that people who have taken to using these services for everyday matters are clogging up the services and the wait is for hours. My 8 month old granddaughter is alive today because when I reached the hospital, the overworked doctors had pushed her aside to "see what developed" even though she was having convulsions and a temp of over 104 degrees. I grabbed the first doctor I saw near her, and asked if tests had been done for spinal meningitis, and was asked why I would ever think to suggest such a thing. I went purple with rage, and shouted because she has a history of penicillin usage over the last six months, rigidity in the neck area, a high fever, and convulsions - all indicators of meningitis! I then told this doctor that unless she was tested immediately I would be on the phone to the media and my lawyer over hospital neglect and malpractice within 10 minutes! I guess they believed me, did the test, and immediately medivac-ed her to the local pediatric ICU with one of the most severe forms of meningitis.

No one should have to do this to get emergency help, but when doctors and nurses triage patients based on first come first served or whether they have insurance (treatable), state health care or Medicare (secondary treatable), or no insurance (wait and see if they die before they are treated), you have a problem in the medical profession. I would suggest that the first step is to get the HMO's out of the hospitals and put hospitals back as non-profits run by doctors and philanthropists (I know, I know... not going to happen). so what would anyone suggest? Maybe we should teach humanity first to the up and coming doctors and nurses, rather than how to manage their portfolios?

As long as we have big business controlling health care, we and the future generations of this nation are in serious danger of dying through incompetence, poor policy, and the greed of others. Like everything else that has been touched by the tentacles of big business, what was once an honorable profession is now anything but.

By the way, good luck seeing a doctor these days. PACs are now so pervasive in the industry, that the only time you might actually see a doctor is just before he or she cuts you open or as you are dying and the doctor needs to sign the death certificate. PACs are not doctors, only nurses with more training, and they encourage you to call them doctor. What happened to properly trained doctors? Oh right, they are having lunch with their lawyers and bankers and insurance companies and the President!

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» RE: I find it ironic... Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Gee Doc...... Posted by: gellero
» RE: Gee Doc...... Posted by: mjabele
» Another innaccurate comment Posted by: gellero
» Some Family Posted by: gellero
» RE: I find it ironic... Posted by: swordoftruth
» Doesn't that hurt? Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: Doesn't that hurt? Posted by: swordoftruth
» RE: Doesn't that hurt? Posted by: stormchilde1975
PHILOSOPHY ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 1, 2007 7:58 AM   
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The Reagan, Bush, Bush philosophy over the years is and has always been a disdain toward the poor. Opportunites for people to improve their lot did not disappear, they were removed. Poor health at an early age has a devestating effect on a child's ambition and energy. Kids know when there's no light at the end of the tunnel and they give up at a very early age. I'm not for handouts, but the government shouldn't be taking either. And they are. Thank,s ANNA

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» War against the voiceless Posted by: du2vye
Bush is an idiot when it comes to health, but then so are most Americans...
Posted by: fearless flower on Aug 1, 2007 8:05 AM   
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It's easy to tear Bush to shreds on health issues because he deserves it. But after doing that, there still remain huge health problems for Americans that have little to do with managed health care.

Here are some statistics to think about:
The highest source of calories for Americans is now high fructose corn syrup, consumed mostly in the form of soft drinks.
Americans spend an average of ten minutes a day in their kitchens (preparing food) and four hours in front of their TV sets.

With these kind of norms in our culture, it won't matter what kind of health care system we have, it will be overwhelmed with sick people whose problems are not going to go away with medications!

An EXCELLENT ally in the battle for your health is Mercola.com, a free email service. Dr. Mercola has written a book called "Take Control of Your Health", a must read for everyone interested in keeping healthy.

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» Fat people Posted by: mombot
PARTLY THANKS TO
Posted by: Roverton on Aug 1, 2007 8:36 AM   
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... Mean, rich people who don't want to share with their neighbors. The ones who always cry "Hey I earned it. Why should I give it to the poor?" are the ones who know they didn't earn it, they stole it. They're frauds.

We have all helped the crooks become more crooked. You too.

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» RICH ??? Posted by: gellero
THINK THIS ONE OUT
Posted by: Roverton on Aug 1, 2007 8:41 AM   
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zyxwvut writes,

"It's time to assassinate President Bush. We're all beating around the, well, bush on this issue. Many of us know he needs to be gone, and his death would not be a big deal compared to the pain and misery he has inflicted on millions of people worldwide. The Democrats are not impeaching him. It's time for a gunman to take matters into his (or her) own hands to rescue the nation. [Bush] declared that he'll veto any Schip expansion on "philosophical" grounds. He is a worthless piece of human garbage."

Two words for you "PRESIDENT CHENEY".

There, see what you're actually saying?

Gather your wits.

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» Zounds Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: THINK THIS ONE OUT Posted by: badkitty
» RE: THINK THIS ONE OUT Posted by: peacefullaim
Tobacco Tax is Regressive and Mean-Spirited
Posted by: Puffin on Aug 1, 2007 10:39 AM   
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Totally in favor of expanding children's health insurance but the plan to fund it by increasing tobacco taxes is regressive and stupid. Suppose taxing smokers is successful...the revenue for the children decreases. And why tax smokers and not, say, people who are addicted to elective plastic surgery to such an extent that their eyebrows and hairlines will soon join? At least that's a group who can afford higher taxes. Really tired of the constant attacks on cigarette smokers. There's a lot of lung pollution that has nothing to do with cigarettes and everyone ignores it...the latest example? Office printers. Wanna tax those?

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Another question
Posted by: Dianka on Aug 1, 2007 10:45 AM   
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What kind of a society is it that ends basic humanitarian aid (a.k.a., welfare) for the poor while using billions of taxpayer dollars to provide "tax relief" (i.e., pay the tax bills for...) to the wealthiest 1%? We can blame the government for the fact that we now have economic disparities that surpass that of all modern nations, but it couldn't have happened without the implied consent/indifference of the American people.

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» But Not All... Posted by: bob t
here's his philosophy:
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 1, 2007 10:56 AM   
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GREED IS GOOD.

On 2nd thought, take out one of those Os.

plur

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Bush is just the front man, his cabal needs to be removed first
Posted by: Trazom on Aug 1, 2007 11:18 AM   
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But President Bush says that access to care is no problem -- "After all, you just go to an emergency room" -- and, with the support of the Republican Congressional leadership, he's declared that he'll veto any Schip expansion on "philosophical" grounds.

This is the very reason why the founding fathers devised a way to override a Presidential veto. The problem is it requires 2/3 majority to override it, and with nearly a 50/50 split in the Senate, that means no veto will ever get overturned. We need to blame every single one of these Republican dirt-bags without consciensces (or spines?) in the Senate who continue to back him up with unswerving fervor, even as he drags the rest of us down into the depths of hell.

There is another way to override a veto without 2/3 majority, but it would require Bush to be absent for 10 days while Congress is in session. Hmmm, maybe we make him sit in a typical ER for a while? That might do the trick.

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Where did Bush learn to pile outrage on top of outrage?
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 1, 2007 12:19 PM   
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How can anyone hear him talk about "philosophy" without giggling? "Love of wisdom"? "Me first" is not a philosophy; it's childishness. Spoiled brat is not a philosophy.

Do Americans love spoiled brats? Turn on your tv. Go to the cinema. Read a novel. The spoiled brat is the American hero. We think it's funny.

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easy peasy
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 1, 2007 4:32 PM   
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things go on as usual

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IMMORALITY INDEED-KEEP USING THAT WORD!
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 1, 2007 8:06 PM   
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Glad we are seeing this accurate powerful word in Krugman's title-"IMMORALITY"

As a US physician I harbor increasing shame about the immorality of American Medicine

I will say childrens' overall health is linked to early childhood healthy families,healthy education, healthy environments and healthy communities.

All of this of course is linked to low SES=Socio-Economic-Status

Also as Sen. Chris Dodd (presidential candidate) says we cannot unlink health care from education, jobs, poverty etc

He is correct!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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No subsidies for ANYONE
Posted by: swordoftruth on Aug 2, 2007 1:15 PM   
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How about a philosophy that says don't subsidize insurance companies and don't subsidize (socialize) medical care? If you want to maximize the quality and quantity of medical care, the profit motive is the quickest and surest way to do it, just as the profit motive has provided us all with adequate and affordable amounts of shoes and house paint. If you want to contribute to child care for "those who can't afford it", no one's stopping you. Forcing everyone to pay for it is a very different proposition, and one that should be banned from society. Introducing force into the equation is the immorality, not the alleged lack of care for children. I'd rather live in a society where every indigent's child is not born with a claim on my money, and I get to choose who receives my charity.

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» RE: No subsidies for ANYONE Posted by: gellero
» RE: No subsidies for ANYONE Posted by: swordoftruth
» Finally, a Rational thought Posted by: gellero
» RE: Finally, a Rational thought Posted by: talkville
» RE: No subsidies for ANYONE Posted by: talkville
» RE: No subsidies for ANYONE Posted by: swordoftruth
» RE: No subsidies for ANYONE Posted by: lfranks
» RE: No subsidies for ANYONE Posted by: swordoftruth
» Wow. Hard to believe Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: Wow. Hard to believe Posted by: swordoftruth
» RE: Wow. Hard to believe Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: Wow. Hard to believe Posted by: swordoftruth
» RE: Wow. Hard to believe Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: Wow. Hard to believe Posted by: swordoftruth
The Bush Administration Philosophy
Posted by: the islander on Aug 6, 2007 6:46 AM   
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The Bush administration philosophy is one-dimensional. It is purely mental, completely and utterly disconnected from the physical and the spiritual.

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You may not have noticed,
Posted by: warrior woman on Aug 6, 2007 7:49 AM   
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However, of late, the Republican strategy is to rate hospitals on care. Of the ratings, emergency room service is a key factor. If there is an abundance of poor people using a particular emergency room and patient etc ratings are low, the purpose is to "punish" the facility for poor care through lower reimbursements, further diminishing care for the poor and further putting their lives at risk. What better strategy could there be?

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Voters are more seduced by Pat Robertson and James Dobson to realize
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 6, 2007 7:55 AM   
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Paul Krugman's valid points. Myself a VA Beach native, I can't tell you enough how sickening it can be when I hear blue collared voters cheering about Bush cutting down healthcare for all when they themselves are sorely in need of it. Worse, a lot of them love this kind of middle-finger response from Bush, Robertson, Dobson, etc ... I'm afraid this country will need a thorough soul cleansing to cure the dog eat dog madness.

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When I was a child
Posted by: willymack on Aug 6, 2007 8:00 AM   
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Funny this article should begin with these words. When I was a Child in school taking tests for this or that subject, many of the questions suggested the answer through their wording. What kind of system would subsidize insurance companies and not children's health care? An EVIL one, composed of greedy, uncaring bastards, that's what. See what I mean?

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I've said for years
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Aug 6, 2007 8:37 AM   
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that tobacco is a social engineering sheme: milk the underclass of tons of extra tax revenues, and kill them before they can collect social security...

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Our Conservative Christian President once again makes us all ashamed to be Christian and American
Posted by: jgdewey on Aug 6, 2007 8:50 AM   
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Did he see sicko? Of course not. If you did, you surely remember the mother in LA who took her child to emergency (she had kaiser but it was to far) with a high fever and sore throat. Very dangerous in the very small and young. The hospital refused to help her saying go to Kaiser. Kaiser refused to send any vehicle to transport the baby and she didn't have any transportation. She should have just taken a taxi and said screw it, but she was poor. Finally Kaiser sent a van to transport the baby, and the baby died before getting to the hospital. Flash over to France. Same situation. Single mother, takes baby to hospital terrified, high fever etc. They keep the baby overnight (huh) for observation, administer immediate antibiotics, the mother stays with the child, she remains in the hospital until out of the woods and she takes her child home. Cost ??? Nothing. Now reflect on this, and wonder why this heartless, brainless, boob that we have running our country is even listened too. Why does he still get his way? Who is giving him respect. Only the rich. Only the very very rich. I for one have also lost all respect for our Christian community. Speak out for Gods sake loud and clear. The man doesn't have an ounce of compassion in his little finger. Speak out and say, he does not serve Christ, He does not serve the constitution, he does not serve America or Americans. Put Christ and country before politics and power.

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» Thank you Posted by: Beck
The same "Judeo-Christian" philosophy that allows the US enough nukes to destroy the planet 10 times
Posted by: xbj on Aug 6, 2007 9:35 AM   
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Make that 100 times over.

Anyone that thinks America is a "Christian" country, and WAS EVER FOR A SINGLE SECOND a "Christian" country, HAS GOT SHIT FOR BRAINS.

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Too bad kids have to pay the price for adult greed and stupidity!
Posted by: MAD on Aug 6, 2007 10:52 AM   
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As someone mentioned previously, a society is best judged by the manner in which it treats it children. I rather think a society should be judged by the manner in which it reacts to incessant scheming, corruption and lies. It should be judged by the way it reacts to the incestuous relationship its government has with corporate America. It should react quickly and with a steady resolve in order to protects its children.

Now, here's what the fat, lazy and ignorant bags of shit that inhabit this country are doing about it: *chirp, chirp, chirp*. "Well hon, let's just keep our heads down until 2008. Surely the second largest recipient of monies from Big Med is gonna initiate REAL reforms, right?"

You Alter-morons keep voting mainstream Democrat and see where it gets you. Keep voting form over substance and pass up a candidate who seems to have integrity (but is short and rather unattractive) for a couple of consummate players who would sooner stab you in the back than turn on their corporate overlords.

Ignorant losers that we are, we truly get what we deserve. It's just too bad that children have to pay the price for your stupidity! Go Hillary!! Go Obama!! Go Edwards!! Will the last person with a brain please turn out the lights on the way out?

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Rich country, poor people
Posted by: Jimbo33 on Aug 10, 2007 5:55 AM   
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It's really a shame that media shows rich people only how they check in into expensive hotels like bimbo P Hilton while the average Joe has to go to cheap motels.

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