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Could a High-Fat Diet Make You Healthy and Prevent Cavities?

By Tara Lohan, AlterNet. Posted October 27, 2009.


A controversial organization promoting foods high in animal fats has some ecstatic. Others think they're whack jobs.
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What if the secret to better health isn't so much a matter of more fruits and vegetables, but a steady flow of butter and lard?

Sally Fallon founded the Weston A. Price Foundation 10 years ago with the goal of "providing accurate information about nutrition and showing scientific validation of tradition foodway," she said. 

Specifically, her foundation advocates for diets high in animal fat and stresses the importance of it particularly for pregnant women and young children.

Bring on the butter! And no, this isn't your typical low-carb, Atkins-diet-style approach (although there are similarities). Her organization is based on the work of Weston Price  (1870-1948), who was a Cleveland dentist. He spent the later part of his life traveling the world in search of remote populations so he could study their teeth and find out what ultimately leads to dental decay.

Along the way, his dental research became enmeshed in studying diet, and he came to some controversial findings, which are recently beginning to see the light of day again. His work, which touts the benefits of high-fat foods, has some foodies ecstatic and others screaming "whack job."

The Case for Diet

Price's research led him all over the world -- to Gaelic communities in the Outer Hebrides, isolated villages in Switzerland, native peoples in North and South America, as well as aboriginal Australians, the Maori in New Zealand, Polynesians and various African tribes.

"Wherever he went, Dr. Price found that beautiful straight teeth, freedom from decay, stalwart bodies, resistance to disease and fine characters were typical of primitives on their traditional diets, rich in essential food factors," the Weston A. Price Foundation reports on its Web site.

According to his research, the closer these groups got to so-called civilization and the more they came in contact with sugar, white flour, pasteurized milk and processed foods, the worse their health and teeth. He documented that within one generation after switching from traditional diets, there were obvious differences in appearance and facial structure, including narrower faces, crowded teeth and lower immunity.

In light of his research, and other studies since, the foundation recommends a diet that includes raw, whole milk, butter, egg yolks, organ meats and cod liver oil. Fallon warns against vegetable oils (with the exception of olive oil).

"The good fats that you should be eating are mostly saturated animal fats, the stable fats," she said. "The bad fats are the trans fats, which are much worse than people think. And the liquid oils -- the polyunsaturated oils are a disaster."

Although Fallon says she likes eating fruits and vegetables, they aren't essential. "My order from the farm each week is half fruits and vegetables, but I'm under no illusion -- they're not nutrient-dense foods. There's 10 times more nutrients in meat, and 100 times more nutrients in liver compared to fruits and vegetables," Fallon said.

A diet high in animal fat is definitely not recommended by most doctors.

"In a country where the entire orthodox health establishment condemns saturated fat and cholesterol from animal sources, and where vending machines have become a fixture in our schools, who wants to hear about a peripatetic dentist who warned about the dangers of sugar and white flour, who thought kids should take cod liver oil and who believed that butter was the number one health food?" Fallon wrote on the foundation's Web site.

"The vital research of Weston Price remains largely forgotten because the importance of his findings, if recognized by the general populace, would bring down America's largest industry -- food processing and its three supporting pillars -- refined sweeteners, white flour and vegetable oils," she continued. "Representatives of this industry have worked behind the scenes to erect the huge edifice of the 'lipid hypothesis' -- the untenable theory that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease and cancer.

"All one has to do is look at the statistics to know that it isn't true. Butter consumption at the turn of the century was 18 pounds per person per year, and the use of vegetable oils almost nonexistent, yet cancer and heart disease were rare. Today, butter consumption hovers just above 4 pounds per person per year, while vegetable oil consumption has soared -- and cancer and heart disease are endemic."

Surely, many people would agree that lots of sugar and processed foods are not good for you, but is eating tons of butter and meat the best alternative? Some definitely disagree with this one.


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Sally, not Susan
Posted by: NowAge on Oct 27, 2009 2:28 AM   
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First, her name is Sally Fallon. And she's right. I've been in the natural food community for my whole life, and what I can tell you is it's the vegan thing that's controversial. Hopefully, your eyes have been opened now, and you can stop using this site to promote something that's truly unhealthy and dangerous, a vegan diet for pregnant women and children. Listen to Sally, she's a fountain of wisdom.

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» RE: Sally, not Susan Posted by: Tara Lohan
A Request: I'd like to see the results
Posted by: ZPaul on Oct 27, 2009 3:38 AM   
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Are there any available photos of Fallon's followers? I'd like to see what they look like.

After all, if what they advocate is healthy, I would expect it to be reflected in their physical appearance.

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Cholesterol Does Not Cause Coronary Heart Disease
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 27, 2009 3:59 AM   
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If you Google that sentence you will find a wealth of highly convincing research supporting it. Yet most people and most Doctors believe that High Cholesterol does cause heart disease, and vast quantities of Statins are prescribed to reduce it.

But who is telling the truth?

People lie about almost everything when there is a powerful financial, political or religious incentive to do so.

Tony

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» Maybe Save Your Life For $2.48 Posted by: tony_opmoc
» at a guess??? Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: So, kids... what DOES cause it???? Posted by: progressiveview
» Inflammation. Posted by: footlite
» RE: Inflammation. Posted by: Onestone
I like this article. I've been eating plenty of high fatty foods and I'm still doin' great.
Posted by: Laffing Garfield on Oct 27, 2009 4:03 AM   
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The only diet people need to go on is the Garfield diet. Enjoy eating what tastes great and forget about low fat low carb crap. No need to do too much excercise or pill popping either. Eat, sleep, and be merry.

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Jennifer Mclagan
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Oct 27, 2009 4:21 AM   
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When Jennifer Mclagan talks about people being disconnected from their food and fearing their food she nails it on the head. I constantly see this at the farmers market. It is time for those of us that are afraid of food and have NO CLUE where it comes from to acclimate yourselves with your food.. Its a really big part of who you are.
I believe the Weston Price diet is a good part of a good diet. MY diet is high in animal protein, very high in vegetables and little in the way of processed food..I buy ingredients, not food.

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No expert but . . .
Posted by: phindrup on Oct 27, 2009 4:37 AM   
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I grew up farming. Our jersey house cows gave extremely rich milk. As kids we wouldn’t drink other peoples milk as we thought that it was ‘skim milk’. Ie: milk that had gone through a separator to remove the cream.

We had unlimited butter, and used cream on porridge, puddings, (sweets) and thick chunky cream on scones and jam.

For the rest it was roast meat and vegetables and lots of eggs.

Nobody in the family was ‘overweight’. At 71 it is only in the past few years that I have had to watch how much I eat.

I do not eat breakfast — haven’t since I left farming, long ago. Getting out of bed and eating almost immediately never made sense to me.

All that I am saying is that it has worked for me!

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Living among the beautiful Philippinos
Posted by: alaskagrrl on Oct 27, 2009 4:41 AM   
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I have to agree with the article. I'm living in the Philippines and couldn't BELIEVE the amount of animal fat these people eat -- and eat it they do in great amounts ! It's like they haven't even heard of eating vegetables. They also love the skin and fat of pigs, chickens, etc. Food most people toss to the dogs.

But the people are absolutely beautiful, their teeth are amazing and they are almost all slim. The only ones fat are those who switched to Western diets.

Unfortunately, they have a very high salt intake from the cultural / historical necessity to preserve their meats in a tropical climate. Add sugar culture from the west and they are suffering more than probably ever. The combination is dramatic: There seems more Dialysis Clinics than McDonalds. It's quite shocking. Heard the American Indians are suffering the same fate.

I am a believer in eating according to genetic heritage. My cholesterol numbers are great on a high fat diet, I believe most important is keeping in line with how your ancestors managed the 'food culling' process over millennia.

Mine are from Northern UK -- guess it's sheep and potatoes for me !

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Disclaimer....
Posted by: Farmertim on Oct 27, 2009 5:38 AM   
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I do farming conferences for the Weston A Price Foundations just to be up front....
and I have countless stories of people who come up to me and say how eating traditional foods has changed their lives and those they have told about those changes and they too made incredible changes in their health..
As a producer of products promoted by Weston A Price I have way more stories of people who have changed their health to the better by simply eating animal fats and reducing the amount of sugar and processed food.
There is simply not enough charectors here to mention a small percentage of the variety of improvements people and children see in their health just by eating they way we use to..before advertising told us different.
As a volume consumer of butter lard beef lamb sausage cracklins, veggies and very little flour products...ok ok old fashion cream pies, from scratch pumpkin pies with lard crusts are my weakness... the last time I went to see about my colesterol they asked what my diet was (and precedded to ask me to lie down very slowly) but after the test they did it again because they didn't believe the results....it was so long ago I don't remember the numbers but it was way low.
I've know nurses in their 50's who just add butter and whole raw milk to their diet and track the colesterol over time and it raises early on then steadly drops and never goes back up from a very low level.
I think the very fact that because this is so easy and not a technical/drug response to health people think it cannot be that simple.
It is..it works..but try as best you can to source the locally grown products..and pay attention to your body it will tell you what you need..and not need...not that a piece of pie is not warrented every now and then..just make sure it is not a processed product and yes it is very easy to make.....
As for the cost argument..as the post above says..she shops for ingredients not ready made foods...convienence kills..and is very expensive and with local nutrient dense foods your are satisfied with much less than processed foods.
When starting with local meats and ingredients , you will be amazed at how easy it is to cook a great meal..and friends will ask to be invited over...
It is that easy..I talk to thousands of young mothers learning to cook they all have the same concerns..I say start simple..get a crock pot work up from there.. and find the oldest cook book you can find...their is a great Menonnite cook book Basics & More..
watch the Amish ones though they use MSG very heavily.
And of course Sallys cook book Nurishing Traditions..Thee last cook book you will ever need.
Farmertim

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» RE: Disclaimer.... Posted by: progressiveview
MMMMMMMMMMMMM !! Another Deluxe Breakfast and Two Mcskillet Burritos to go ! MMMMMMMMMMM !!
Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Oct 27, 2009 6:15 AM   
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Like my cousin Laffing Garfield, I'll be doing just fine. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!!

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» RE:Criticism without knowledge Posted by: creative-juices
Sally Fallon and Quackwatch
Posted by: arroyowash on Oct 27, 2009 6:32 AM   
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It speaks volumes that writer Tara Lohan cannot accurately give the name of person she interviewed. The correct name is Sally Fallon, not Susan. So we learn Lohan spent no time on the Weston A Price Foundation website researching Price or Fallon. And the first opposition she quotes is Quackwatch?

Steve Barrett and his associates are paid to foster the disease management system of American medicine. They attack everything that is not a pharmaceutical drug, and everything from Nature that naturally keeps us well. Barrett et all were given life after the AMA's nasty, high profile attempt to eliminate competition from chiropractors. The fight landed in the U.S. Supreme Court; the historic 1990 decision found the AMA guilty of illegally boycotting and conspiring against the chiropractic profession. As a result of their loss, the AMA thought it unwise to be seen fighting the competition so openly. And so it was that third party entities like Quackwatch, Casewatch, NCAHF and others were dispatched to discourage consumers from going outside the AMA type of medicine.

Since the mid-1970s, Victor Herbert, William Jarvis, Robert S. Baratz, Stephen Barrett and others, have worked to publicly discredit viable herbs, vitamins, homeopathic remedies, etc., and to cast dispersions upon those who practice non-allopathic therapies. They are silent as to the conflicts of interest at the FDA and the demonstrated dangers of many drugs, including 60,000 documented deaths from one drug alone, Vioxx.

Although Barrett denies that the AMA or pharmaceutical companies fund them and their numerous websites, he refuses to say who does:

“Quackwatch, Inc., has no salaried employees. It operates with minimal expense, funded mainly by small individual donations, commissons from sales on other sites to which we refer, sponsored links, and profits from the sale of publications. If its income falls below what is needed for the research, the rest comes out of my pocket.”

And the moon is full of blue cheese.

No member of this group filed for 501(c)3 or 501(c)6 status, therefore they are not legally obligated to file information in the public domain as a non-profit. They could choose to answer the funding questions which have been asked of them so many times. They could choose to provide a conventional accounting of donations, corporate contributions, and expenses. However, they choose not to.

Here is a taste of their pitch:

“NCAHF is not aware of a single contribution to public health or nutrition science attributable to the health foods industry or its cohorts (eg, organic foods growers, natural foods suppliers, supplement or herbal trade associations). These entities have merely exploited consumers' health interests and concerns, and reinforced misconceptions about the safety and healthfulness of the food supply that improved their marketing positions.”

When you see Sally Fallon, you see a woman who is trim and fit. When you work with Sally Fallon, you find yourself in the company of a happy, healthy person with a refreshingly positive outlook on life.

When you look at pictures of our grandparents and the pre-1980 movies, you see photographs of a populace that was much thinner on average than today. They didn’t have penicillin and many of the sanitary infrastructure advantages we have today, so more died to infectious disease. On the other hand, they didn’t have a situation were one in six children born has a developmental problem – their brains aren’t working right. They didn’t have skyrocketing rates of chronic disease. The medical books of 1900 did not talk about heart attacks because they were so seldom seen; today coronary disease is a number one killer. Today, cancer is the number one killer of children.

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» RE: Sally Fallon and Quackwatch Posted by: Tara Lohan
Continued
Posted by: arroyowash on Oct 27, 2009 6:34 AM   
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Where did we go so wrong? As Sally Fallon so well points out, we started to think we could fool Mother Nature and live better through chemistry. We began to "manufacture" food. One of the first unnatural ventures was the creation of margarine, patented in 1873. Margarine represented the introduction of lethal trans-fats.

Writer Lohan quotes the American Dietetic Association which proudly states, "PepsiCo: License to Snack. PepsiCo and ADA are working together to develop education programs that help consumers make improved choices and promote healthful, active lifestyles." The ADA nutrition fact sheet on "Balancing Calories and Optimizing Fats" is sponsored by two makers of mayonnaise. Their fact sheet on canola oil, "Good for Every Body," is sponsored by the Canola Council. Their fact sheet on dietary fats is sponsored by the company that makes Promise margarine.

The American Diabetes Association recommends you choose calorie-free "diet" drinks instead of regular soda. Among their corporate sponsors: the makers of Equal Sweetener and the makers of Splenda. There is no mention of the danger of aspartame and other synthetic sweeteners. There is also no mention of the diet soda - obesity connection, despite the presentation to the ADA at its annual meeting in 2005 of eight years of solid research showing how diet soda contributes to weight gain.

Lohan confuses third party marketing efforts with objective information. Do you remember what your grandparents ate for breakfast? Eggs and meat were common a hundred years ago.
When the low-fat craze started, many turned their backs on those mainstays and embraced the heavily marketed bread and cereal products. Today, the big food makers even claim their cereals are “heart healthy.” They put a big checkmark on a box of Fruit Loops whose first and primary ingredient is sugar. Marketing like this has made lots of money while at the same time ruining our health.
I used to own a Jane Brody cookbook, “Living the High Carbohydrate Diet.” Remember the high carb 80’s which spiked insulin levels? Then in the 90s, we entered the low fat craze. But Lohan is on to something. We are seeing the beginning of the end of that craze, thank goodness. The body needs good fat. It’s a major energy source, helps you absorb certain vitamins and nutrients, and increases immunity. It also gives you that feeling of fullness so you stop eating sooner.

Michelle Obama broke ground on an organic vegetable garden. Americans today are having a national conversation about food and agriculture that would have been impossible to imagine even a few short years ago. AlterNet – please give space to someone whose journalistic abilities include the ability to get the name right – and so much more. The health of our children is at stake.

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Lohan has a homework assignment
Posted by: arroyowash on Oct 27, 2009 6:38 AM   
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It speaks volumes that writer Tara Lohan cannot accurately give the name of person she interviewed, Sally Fallon, not Susan. So we learn Lohan spent no time on the Weston A Price Foundation website researching Price or Fallon. And the first opposition she quotes is Quackwatch?

Steve Barrett and his associates are paid to foster the disease management system of American medicine. They attack everything that is not a pharmaceutical drug, and everything from Nature that naturally keeps us well. Barrett et all were given life after the AMA's nasty, high profile attempt to eliminate competition from chiropractors. The fight landed in the U.S. Supreme Court; the historic 1990 decision found the AMA guilty of illegally boycotting and conspiring against the chiropractic profession. As a result of their loss, the AMA thought it unwise to be seen fighting the competition so openly. And so it was that third party entities like Quackwatch, Casewatch, NCAHF and others were dispatched to discourage consumers from going outside the AMA type of medicine.

Since the mid-1970s, Victor Herbert, William Jarvis, Robert S. Baratz, Stephen Barrett and others, have worked to publicly discredit viable herbs, vitamins, homeopathic remedies, etc., and to cast dispersions upon those who practice non-allopathic therapies. They are silent as to the conflicts of interest at the FDA and the demonstrated dangers of many drugs, including 60,000 documented deaths from one drug alone, Vioxx.

Although Barrett denies that the AMA or pharmaceutical companies fund them and their numerous websites, he refuses to say who does:

“Quackwatch, Inc., has no salaried employees. It operates with minimal expense, funded mainly by small individual donations, commissons from sales on other sites to which we refer, sponsored links, and profits from the sale of publications. If its income falls below what is needed for the research, the rest comes out of my pocket.”

And the moon is full of blue cheese.

No member of this group filed for 501(c)3 or 501(c)6 status, therefore they are not legally obligated to file information in the public domain as a non-profit. They could choose to answer the funding questions which have been asked of them so many times. They could choose to provide a conventional accounting of donations, corporate contributions, and expenses. However, they choose not to.

Here is a taste of their pitch:

“NCAHF is not aware of a single contribution to public health or nutrition science attributable to the health foods industry or its cohorts (eg, organic foods growers, natural foods suppliers, supplement or herbal trade associations). These entities have merely exploited consumers' health interests and concerns, and reinforced misconceptions about the safety and healthfulness of the food supply that improved their marketing positions.”

When you see Sally Fallon, you see a woman who is trim and fit. When you work with Sally Fallon, you find yourself in the company of a happy, healthy person with a refreshingly positive outlook on life.

When you look at pictures of our grandparents and the pre-1980 movies, you see photographs of a populace that was much thinner on average than today. They didn’t have penicillin and many of the sanitary infrastructure advantages we have today, so more died to infectious disease. On the other hand, they didn’t have a situation were one in six children born has a developmental problem – their brains aren’t working right. They didn’t have skyrocketing rates of chronic disease. The medical books of 1900 did not talk about heart attacks because they were so seldom seen; today coronary disease is a number one killer. Today, cancer is the number one killer of children.

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» RE: Lohan has a homework assignment Posted by: truly scrumptious
They Are All Just Theories
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 27, 2009 6:39 AM   
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We forget all these food theories are just that, THEORIES. Some people looking for meaning and structure in their lives try to fill the void with their diet, which they use as a talisman to ward off modern evils. Science is a process and people should not be so quick to jump on the latest trend. Whether it be weight loss, high fat, low fat whatever. In the end, they probably all have a little truth and a whole lot of baloney.

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» Eating real food is not a theory. Posted by: souffrantfleur
There was plenty of heart disease in the old days as well
Posted by: raginghormones on Oct 27, 2009 7:14 AM   
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It's just that at the turn of the century there were lots of other things that could kill you (infectious diseases) before you reached the age where heart disease would start to kick-in.

Also--I seem to have read that the basic causes of heart disease (plagues building-up in the coronary arteries)which we know so well today, was not generally recognized at the time. "Heart failure" was a generic term used back then to describe any heart trouble. They really didn't know what caused it.

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The last paragraph of the article
Posted by: souffrantfleur on Oct 27, 2009 7:13 AM   
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is the real mission of the WAPF. They promote traditional food, cutting out the middle man, and taking power back from the agro-industrial complex. The WAPF is a living example of what Pollan means when he says we should be listening to the collective wisdom of our elders. That the WAPF is on Quackwatch is not surprising, since doctors are taught absolutely nothing about nutrition.

The author should make an effort to attend the WAPF conference, scheduled a few weeks from now in Chicago. It would open her eyes.

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Farmers in the 1930's---no fat butts!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 27, 2009 7:29 AM   
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I am a farmer in Nebraska. Often I look at pictures of "the old days"--pictures from the local area of farmers, and also of my relatives. One thing I have noticed is that none of these guys are overweight at all. I remember my uncles when they helped on the farm--here were guys in their fifties and sixties, and they had the lean bodies of a twenty-year-old.

Yet, back then, my dad and grandparents ate TONS of lard, butter, eggs, fatty meat, etc.

My theory is that farmers just worked so darn hard physically back then that they rapidly burned-up they fat in their diets. My dad used to tell stories about how everything on the farm back then was done by hand. Can you imagine the physical effort it took to scoop (by hand) 1000 bushels of corn into a bin? Or harvest 80 acres of hay using pitchforks? I don't know but they were sure tougher then me! I had to hand-scoop out a wagon of about 100 bushels during harvest this year, and it about killed me.

My dad--who passed away a few years ago at the age of 89--often would remark at how FAT people in my town looked, compared to the old days. He even noticed how heavy young kids were today, compared to what they were when he was young.

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» More fat farmer butts! Posted by: zooeyhall
Ridiculous.
Posted by: goodyweaver on Oct 27, 2009 9:12 AM   
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There have been hundreds (perhaps thousands) of scientific studies proving that a diet high in vegetables and fruits and low in animal protein and fat results in the lowest disease rates. Further, the ONLY diet that shows any ability to extend life is a calorie-restricted diet. Probably the best book I can think of that discusses this is "Eat to Live" by Doctor Joel Furhman - it has something like 25 pages of citations of medical studies indicating that a diet high in vegetation results in exceptional health.

No, none of this means you "have" to be vegan - or even vegetarian. But it is unlikely that the majority of people could eat a diet high in animal protein and fat and live a long, healthy life.

Certainly if you travel the world and investigate traditional peoples eating a traditional diet, they are far healthier than americans - including american vegetarians. But you would most likely find that the vast majority of their diet was whole fruits, vegetables and whole grains - not animal fat (with some exceptions, such as the Inuit or some Polynesian cultures). Further than that, though, you would also find that traditional peoples are getting constant exercise, constant social interaction, constant fresh air, and a lifestyle that is generally low in stress. Dr. Paul Pearsall wrote a book called "The Pleasure Prescription" that talks about the low rates of heart disease in Polynesian cultures, despite their high fat intake. He theorizes that their health is related as much to their low-stress environment and philosophy that promotes calm reserve rather than aggression and thinking of others over onesself (we could use some of both in this country, obviously).

The average american certainly does NOT need to start eating a bunch of animal fat - unless they are going to also replicate a traditional lifestyle in other ways. In our sedentary, socially-isolated culture, sitting around eating a bunch of animal fat is deadly.

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Todays meat and butter do not compare
Posted by: PrinceRobert on Oct 27, 2009 9:49 AM   
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with the meat and butter of the early 20th century or even those of the 1950s, or with what I raised and produced in Canada in the 1970s. Even farmland that is now in the hands of diligent organic farmers is suspect if it was farmed with fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides before. It takes a long while and a lot of care to restore a natural balance to abused soil and that abuse seeps into the end product in many ways. The problems with meat and fat consumption today is mostly an issue of toxins or processing issues that are detrimental to human health. Homogenization, pasteurization, crowding of farm animals, shelf life enhancement and on and on, take our food products farther and farther away from anything which should be used to sustain healthy life. My cousin, an award winning dairy farmer in western New Jersey, told me that when the tanker truck would come to get his raw milk they'd test for bacteria. If the bacteria count was too high, they'd pour a bunch of chlorine bleach in the tank to kill the bacteria. That's only the start of the processing.

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» Well, why not? Posted by: franklyspanking
» RE: Well, why not? Posted by: progressiveview
» RE: Well, why not? Posted by: franklyspanking
You can't do it.
Posted by: Longdream on Oct 27, 2009 10:33 AM   
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You can't take the pure, super-fresh, clean-raised diet of a hard-working farmer of a century ago and use it as an example of how to eat today, because neither the muscular farmer with the sixteen hour workday, nor the unaltered, unadulterated good food he ate is the norm in our time.

We would need an overhaul of the commercial food industry and some kind of pain-of-incarceration mandate for people to exercise and slim down before we got back to that version of The Garden.

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» Overhaul is critical Posted by: souffrantfleur
» RE: Overhaul is critical Posted by: Longdream
» you want to jail fat people? Posted by: Grandma Crabby
REAL food...and REAL exercise!
Posted by: Onestone on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 AM   
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No... we are not all 'Nutters'!!:)....although, as with any group of people, it takes 'all sorts'...
Weston A Price, Mary Enig and Sally Fallon, are well respected among thousands globally, who understand that modern western diets of too much junk... sugar, processed carbs and sedentary life styles are the major cause of health problems.
Check out mercola.com for another good source of all kinds of health related issues, dietary myths and vested interest's influence!
NOBODY advocates eating vast quantities of fat , dairy and meat.Simply that your diet should NOT consist of predominately processed man-made carbohydrates,sugars, grains and vegetable oils.Eat less, eat real and exercise more would improve many people's health,energy and longevity.
As ever...and as Weston Price did, look at the real world for your answers... Anyone who follows this will find the results are always positive.
mercola.com is the best place to start if you are new to this fascinating topic of health and diet

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Ask the right questions...
Posted by: dseilhan on Oct 28, 2009 8:27 PM   
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Nitpick: Olive oil is not a vegetable oil, it's a fruit oil. Also, what WAPF specifically recommends against are soybean oil and polyunsaturated oils. The argument is that you need certain proportions of the different fats in your diet, and most of us get too much polyunsaturated fat. So nut oils are fine, coconut and palm are fine, and the animal fats are fine. By the way, the only oil I know of that's called "vegetable oil" is soybean oil--sometime when you have a minute and you're in the grocery aisle with the food oils, read the labels, and you'll see what I mean.

You know, when I was a kid the information about fats was presented to us in a way that seemed to convey, "Saturated fat is bad for you because it is solid at room temperature." It took me until maybe a year ago to realize how stupid that was. If my body is room temperature I have more important things to worry about than which fats I eat. Like, when to schedule my funeral. Only I won't be thinking about much of anything.

I started cooking regularly with cast iron a few years ago and noticed something interesting. When I tried seasoning it with soybean oil, it got all sticky (I've also seen this happen with my dad's cast iron). When I used canola in any sort of cooking utensil it left a scorched, plastic-like layer in the bottom of the pot. But I can use things like butter and lard in cast iron and don't get the stickiness; in fact I now use bacon grease to season it and it works beautifully, imparting the mirrorlike finish that cast-iron traditionalists say you are supposed to get. How we all decided to use plant oils for the job I do not know. Our ancestors sure didn't use them.

Not that that's any more relevant than the room-temperature propaganda, so let me share a more personal account. Three years ago I began suffering what I'll call reproductive health problems for the sake of any men reading this. It got so bad at times that I could not leave the house. I don't have health insurance nor a spare few hundred bucks lying around to pay a sliding-scale clinic, so as long as nothing acute happened I figured I'd just ride it out. It went on like that for three years, with varying degrees of severity, including pain as a warning signal the day before festivities started, always in the same area of my abdomen. I began to suspect endometriosis, it was that bad.

Earlier this year I read something at the WAPF site about how diabetics and people with hypothyroidism can't make the conversion of beta carotene to vitamin A. I have good reason to believe I am prediabetic, and I also suspect my thyroid has slowed down. I had been taking a multi with beta carotene in it, and snacked on baby carrots often, but as far as real vitamin A sources I was pretty short, so I began supplementing with retinol from fish liver oil.

That very next month, my pain had been reduced to almost nothing, and I could leave the house the first few days without having to be paranoid about my clothes. I thought it was a fluke, but it continued the next month and the next. The only time it bothers me now is if I've gone long enough without retinol! I did a little further research and discovered some websites about natural treatments for endo, and they mentioned real vitamin A as a supplement to try. Now remember that one of Weston Price's primary concerns about human health was the preservation of fertility, and he claimed that fat-soluble-vitamin-rich foods helped preserve that fertility. I was blown away.

Now think about what our government says about getting vitamin A via beta carotene, and about eating a low-fat diet. Only recently have experts begun conceding that we should not eat fat-free dressing with our salads. More recently than that they've been saying we need saturated fat in order to assimilate calcium, but that one apparently hasn't hit the mainstream yet.

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» continued... Posted by: dseilhan
Dave G
Posted by: cleotig on Oct 28, 2009 10:54 PM   
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I would just like to point to the work of Mary Enig, Phd, as well as Sally Fallon. The WAPF website contains a number of well worth reading articles (The Skinny on Fats, The Oiling of America etc) which appear to my lay eyes to be authoratively written. Certainly, I think, they are of considerable value in trying to sort out the wheat from the tares of what is and what is not healthy to eat.
Healthy lives to all contributors.

Dave G

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» RE: Dave G Posted by: truly scrumptious
Steroids
Posted by: Steroidea on Nov 1, 2009 8:21 AM   
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I dont understand why??
It is possible?
Stupid politics!!
I found a perfect article at http://www.steroidea.com
There are a lot of information about Naposim, Anabol, Danabol and a lot of Anabolic Steroids.
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WAP was an idiot...
Posted by: truly scrumptious on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 AM   
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.... and his followers claim that a baby's first foods should be liver and raw milk, and that soy will turn boys gay.

Those two facts should make them the butt of many a joke, but instead his anti-science followers have gathered crowds. Just another example of the dumbing-down of America. They're the laughing stock of the scientific community and their "research" is as shoddy and the "peripatetic" Price's was. "Hey! I looked at some people! They look healthier than other people I looked at!"

Sounds a lot like Hitler's science and his take on Jews: "when you measure their heads, you can see they must be brute animals, yes?"

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» RE: WAP was an idiot... Posted by: hbill
Living Proof!
Posted by: hbill on Nov 2, 2009 10:51 AM   
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My family lives in LA and ever since reading Sally Fallon's book, Nourishing Traditions, has literally been proof in the pudding to this article. There is no leap of faith, it is simply an excruciating researched diet that is common sense. Processed foods bad, home cooked meals good and cook with what has nourished human kind for thousands of years. These societies were cancer free, cavity free, heart disease free. As for my family of five, we actually cannot gain weight on all thegrass fed butter, milk, cheese, meat, eggs, etc. we eat and have not taken any medications whatsover of any kind for over ten years. Call it luck maybe, but here's the difference - it takes a 10 plus hours each week, so buy the book and start slowly. Also, go to the website, www.westonaprice.org and find a local chapter that will help you start. It's free, and no corporate sponsors!!

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Evidence versus ideology
Posted by: s.duplantier on Nov 2, 2009 2:29 PM   
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Fallon, Enig and the Price Foundation use evidence and the antifat people use ideology-=-things the "must" be right because they "should" be right (like fat makes you fat, and cholesterol causes heart attacks).

The antifat crowd is slowly winning some future Darwin Award.

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Insight on the Weston Price lobbyists...
Posted by: TomOfMaine on Nov 2, 2009 2:30 PM   
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Here's an interesting and telling article on the Price foundation...

http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/robbins_weston_price.htm

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I started cooking
Posted by: nikefilson on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 PM   
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I started cooking regularly with cast iron a few years ago and noticed something interesting. When I tried seasoning it with soybean oil, it got all sticky (I've also seen this happen with my dad's cast iron). When I used canola in any sort of cooking utensil it left a scorched, plastic-like layer in the bottom of the pot. But I can use things like butter and lard in cast iron and don't get the stickiness; in fact I now use bacon grease to season it and it works beautifully, imparting the mirrorlike finish that cast-iron traditionalists say you are supposed to get. How we all decided to use plant oils for the job I do not know. Our ancestors sure didn't use them.

Not that that's any more relevant than the room-temperature propaganda, so let me share a more personal account. Three years ago I began suffering what I'll call reproductive health problems for the sake of any men reading this. It got so bad at times that I could not leave the house. I don't have health insurance nor a spare few hundred bucks lying around to pay a sliding-scale clinic, so as long as nothing acute happened I figured I'd just ride it out. It went on like that for three years, with varying degrees of severity, including pain as a warning signal the day before festivities started, always in the same area of my abdomen. I began to suspect endometriosis, it was that bad.

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