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Americans Demand a Public Option in Health Care -- When Will Politicians Listen?

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted June 23, 2009.


Even in special-interest-dominated Washington, it's rare for politicians to so blatantly privilege a private industry over the will of the people.
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The usual knock on government programs is that they’re not as efficient as the private sector, which we’re told can provide the same product for less money and with higher quality. Thus, it should be no big deal when the public and private collide because the private sector should prevail.

However, in providing health insurance, those rules clearly don’t apply, which is why congressional Republicans and so-called “centrist” Democrats are going to such lengths to deny the American people access to a public option on health insurance.

Indeed, if a public option were to be piggybacked onto the existing Medicare bureaucracy, the chances for savings could be impressive for average Americans and the overall American economy.

Insurance middlemen could be eliminated; investigators who ferret out “preexisting conditions” wouldn’t be needed; doctors could save on administrative costs; the burden on U.S. industry providing health benefits could be reduced; and more money could be freed to cover the nearly 50 million uninsured or for actual doctoring.

For a nation facing multiple fiscal crises – all complicated by the costs of health care – one might think that the most sure thing in the health care debate would be to allow a cost-saving public option, which as President Barack Obama says would help keep private health insurers “honest” regarding their promises to trim waste and control premiums.

According to a New York Times/CBS poll, that point is obvious to 72 percent of the American people who favor “offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan like Medicare that would compete with private health insurance plans.”

It’s also reflected in a study cited by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and other insurance industry defenders saying that 119 million Americans would bolt from their private insurers to the public option if they were given the chance.

To put that figure in perspective, it is about two-thirds of Americans who have private insurance through their employers or as individuals. In other words, the industry's defenders say two of every three customers want out.

Though some analysts doubt the defection rate would reach 119 million, Grassley’s argument is that Americans would so prefer a government-run plan that it would destroy the private insurance industry – and that therefore the public option simply can’t be permitted.

Grassley’s fear of 119 million Americans voting with their pocketbooks against private health insurance represents a remarkable admission of failure by the industry and its backers. It says, in effect, that the industry’s treatment of its customers has been so highhanded over the decades that the industry can only survive if Americans are left with the unappetizing choice of private coverage or no coverage.

Representing Whom?

So, not only are the Republicans – and some Democrats – standing against the desires for 72 percent of the population but, in effect, they also are trying to lock in 119 million unhappy customers for a profit-making industry. To add another windfall for the insurance industry, Congress may compel the near 50 million uninsured to buy insurance under penalty of fines.

Even in the sorry history of special-interest-dominated Washington, it is rare for politicians to so blatantly adopt defense of a private industry over the will of the people.

One might think that Democrats would take this club and beat the Republicans over the head with it. The Democrats could argue that the public option is not only popular but could save money for struggling U.S. businesses by bringing down their health insurance costs and freeing up more money for investment and for the hiring of new workers.

One of the key factors that drove General Motors into bankruptcy was how its health insurance benefits for employees inflated the company’s costs-per-worker total and thus hurt its competitiveness against rivals who operate in countries where the government pays for health care.

The public option issue also would seem ready-made for Democrats given that the New York Times/CBS poll found that a solid majority of Americans (57 percent) were willing to pay higher taxes so that all Americans could have “health insurance that they can’t lose no matter what.” [NYT, June 21, 2009]

Nevertheless, key “centrist” Democrats, such as Sens. Max Baucus of Montana and Kent Conrad of North Dakota, are ready to scuttle the public option to secure a few GOP votes so they can claim their plan is “bipartisan.” Conrad has called for substituting a privately run, non-profit “cooperative” for the public option.

While Conrad’s “cooperative,” which would be ostensibly owned by its members, has some superficial appeal, it would require the creation of an entirely new bureaucracy – rather than relying on the government’s existing infrastructure for Medicare – and would likely be run by high-paid executives recruited from the existing private insurance industry.

Critics of Conrad’s plan also note that the cooperative would have far less leverage in negotiating lower prices from pharmaceutical companies and other parts of the medical industry, so the savings would be marginal – which is exactly why the idea appeals to industry groups.

Patrons and the People

It goes without saying that the medical-industry complex has made generous contributions to all the key lawmakers, especially those like Grassley and Baucus who are at the top of the influential Senate Banking Committee.

But the obsession of some Senate Democrats, like Conrad, to find “common ground” with Republicans seems to go beyond simply rewarding benefactors. Though it’s clear that many, if not most, Republicans have a single-minded goal – to sabotage the Obama administration – Democrats nevertheless continue in their quest for the elusive “bipartisanship.”

This quest goes on despite the fact that Republicans were trounced in the last two elections, are down to 40 senators, and are facing historically low approval ratings. Still, “centrist” Democrats insist on bending over backwards to accommodate the GOP desires, even when those desires fly in the face of popular opinion and do not represent the most sensible policies.

These Democrats – sometimes including President Obama – appear deeply influenced by Inside-the-Beltway chatter coming from pundits who still reflect the Ronald-Reagan-to-George-W.-Bush conventional wisdom that “government is the problem,” that tax cuts are the answer to every question, and that “self-regulating markets” have made bureaucrats largely irrelevant.

Despite the nation’s cascading crises – which can be traced to too little government, excessive tax cuts and a lack of sound regulation – the chattering class has not been shaken from its biases. So, the minority Republicans are given far more time and space than they reasonably deserve (and much more than minority Democrats got during George W. Bush’s presidency).

Amid Republican charges of “socialism,” the reaction of Democrats, like Baucus and Conrad, is to position themselves in what they must consider the safe center, earning praise from the pundits for their courageous willingness to stand up to the Democratic “base” – and to the overwhelming majority of Americans – in order to stop the public option.

But Baucus and Conrad will likely find that the safe center isn’t so safe. When half-measures and half-baked compromises leave the American people disappointed or angry, the fault will be laid on the government’s failure to do the job right.

And that failure will be cited by Republicans and the pundits as further proof of the superiority of the private sector.

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RE: What will of the people?
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 23, 2009 2:51 AM   
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"The people voted against Hillary Care."

How d'ya figure? Hillary's plan was never voted on by the people, and she received more votes than Obama in the primaries.

Technically, this means the voters rejected Obama's plan.

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» More votes? Posted by: brunowe
RE:Honky sounds like a Rethug mouthpiece.
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jun 23, 2009 4:03 AM   
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nt

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Yeah, numbers are pesky.
Posted by: freelyb on Jun 23, 2009 6:34 AM   
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Hope you've found someone reliable to balance your checkbook.

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Recall Baucus and Grassley and Conrad
Posted by: orda on Jun 23, 2009 7:19 AM   
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If they are not going to "represent" the People's will, then they need to be recalled.

Impeached. Or whatever process it takes.

Their whole point of existence is to represent the People and their will.

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» There has to be a way Posted by: orda
RE: What will of the people?
Posted by: Tweck9 on Jun 23, 2009 7:19 AM   
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Hillary Care wasn't a public option.

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Honkythescumbag, is that you Ann?
Posted by: Karlh on Jun 23, 2009 10:45 AM   
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Folks, I have figured it out, we have a celebrity in our midst, Honky is really Ann Coulter.

Hey Ann, now that we know who you really are, I have a few questions.
1) What’s up with the cocktail dresses? Every time I see you, you’re wearing a cocktail dress. It could be 7:00 in the morning and 30 below outside, and you’re wearing a cocktail dress.
2) Is it true that your diet pretty much consists of booze and cigarettes? I mean that would explain a lot. It would certainly explain your behavior and why you look so anorexic.
3) Is it true that you were doing Bill Maher? I like Bill but when I heard that, I couldn’t believe it. I figured that Bill, being the notorious hound he is, did it on a bet. I bet someone said “Hey Bill!!! Betcha won’t do Ann Coulter.”, so he did.
4) Is it true you were once a man? Every one wonders about that adams apple of yours.

One more question is it true that 2thePoint is really Rush Limpdick and Seattlepackedshitcolidedwithloofahs is really Bill O’Liely?

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Bi-Partisanship is a Ruse ... Beware of a Watered Down Public Option
Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 AM   
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Conrad, Baucus and the rest of the " centrist " Democratic Senators are only using the bi-partisanship bogeyman to cover their private health insurance ties ... and the lucrative political donations it brings them. Just last Friday we find out that Baucus and the White House have been negotiating with Big Pharma in secret ! Big Pharma has already bypassed scrutiny!

They are going to pass something. We need to make sure the public option is there ... Without a strong and vibrant "public option" this Health Care Bill should be KILLED. We need to let our Senators know that its's Public Option or nothing at all ...

Tell Your Senators: Strong Public Option or NO BILL!

and

NO to the Pharma Bill that was hatched behind our backs!

And ask them: Where did this Big Pharma Bill come from?

Senator Look Up by Zip

It only takes 3 minutes, do it now! Take another 3 minutes and CALL your Senator ... their phone numbers are right there under the "contact" option ...

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Screwed By Obama Again ?
Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 23, 2009 1:08 AM   
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The Policy That Dare Not Speak Its Name
by Robert Kuttner

"However, that's only the beginning of the story. The reform package, as drafted by the Obama administration and the House leadership, is dubious legislation even with the inclusion of a public option. Basically, it leaves the two worst aspects of the system intact. First, private insurers will continue to dominate. Second, most people will continue to get their insurance through their employers. Given these two bedrock realities, there is no way that the bill can make serious inroads on cost without cutting back on care. The high cost of the approach is already causing key legislators to back off. The current system wastes huge sums, but because it is so fragmented the money flows to profit opportunities and not to the most cost-effective forms of health care.

Also, as my American Prospect colleague Paul Starr warns, a mixed system with a public option effectively invites the most expensive and hard-to-treat people to opt for the public plan, while private insurers will seek to insure the young and the healthy. This is a familiar problem known as adverse selection. The private insurers will then smugly point out that the public plan is less "efficient," when in fact it simply will have a more costly population. The only way to avoid this problem is to have everyone in the same universal plan--what's otherwise known as a single-payer plan."

Screwed By Obama Again ?

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how about class action suits against individual elected representatives?
Posted by: Suzon on Jun 23, 2009 2:39 AM   
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Evidence of loss and damage can certainly be proven.

Where is it written that the government cannot be sued? I know that "the Crown" cannot be sued, but then we're talking about a monarchy.

Somehow I doubt that the founding fathers would have wanted to retain that aspect of the old regime in the constitution.

Start talking law suits against individuals for misuse of public office or discrimination (providing a great plan for themselves while ignoring the needs of their constituents) or (I like this one best) taking money under false pretenses.

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If you don't like the fix we're in, thank a progressive
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 AM   
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In our goofy political system, politicians have to raise a fortune to even run for office. Then we call them crooks because they did what they did in order to get elected.

Are we Americans brilliant or what? ;)

World-class athletes are in a similar situation. They have the choice either of using performance-enhancing drugs, or of not competing. Then we call the them dopers.

I just wish candidate Obama hadn't destroyed our chances for publicly-financed elections. In one shot, he destroyed our chances of getting to the root of the problem.


PS: Plangent yet oddly gratifying sound of Rupert Murdoch in Pain

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US Health Care Reform WILL Happen in 2009
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 23, 2009 3:48 AM   
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The power of personality of a popular president and an increasingly restless public will carry the day.

A weak and cowardly US congress will have to come on board kicking and screaming but on board they must come.

A public health option WILL be included.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
my blog

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Our so-called democracy doesn't work very well
Posted by: Moonray on Jun 23, 2009 4:13 AM   
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There are always more ignorant and apathetic voters than smart and knowledgeable ones. Politicians know this and use it to their advantage. They always have, but now they don't even bother to pretend that we have a democratic system.

The politicians, Dems and Repubs, now say: "We're going to do what we want, and what are you going to do about it? All we have to do is pull strings with the MSM or call Rush Limbaugh, and we will have wall-to-wall media coverage touting our industry-oriented plans, regardless of the issue. Resistance will be token and futile."

They're right, of course. The idiots where I live voted for Obama, but they also voted in a Neanderthal Republican congressman and an entire slate of knuckle-dragging Republican legislators. Most folks around here think Jesus is coming soon anyway and we can all ride to heaven on the backs of the same dinosaurs Adam and Eve rode on 6,000 years ago. Morons. No wonder "tyranny is always on the throne." Maybe the old saying is correct: In a "democracy," people get the kind of government they deserve. To hell with it, I'm moving to Europe.

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» RE: Good luck on your move Posted by: kettleblack
Adding to the unemployed
Posted by: GPFrank on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 AM   
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With health care reform as I understand it
we will end up with an army of unemployed middlemen.

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» So what? Posted by: freelyb
» RE: Adding to the unemployed Posted by: willird
When will politicians listen???
Posted by: swooshy on Jun 23, 2009 4:37 AM   
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The ONLY thing that scares these people is getting KICKED OFF THE POLITICAL GRAVY TRAIN. It is time for voters to organize, research their representatives,find out how they vote, WHERE they get money from and make it clear they won't be getting in again no matter HOW much money they throw at buying big media brainwashing. If they have a brand on their ass we need to know whose it is.

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» RE: I feel your pain Posted by: kettleblack
Why talk about Republicans and Democrats only? Might as well give a 3rd party a chance.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 23, 2009 4:47 AM   
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Neither party for the most part cares about true health care reform and yet we fucking losers keep electing and reelecting them anyway so of course they'll say FUCK YOU and never bother to listen. Try talking to my fucking Senator Mark Warner who was a lousy DLCer even as governor. I'd smack that son of a bitch in his face if I were in front of him for badmouthing single payer in a cowardly manner. The truth is that the Democrats are working furiously hard to give Congress back to the Republicans in 2010 and ensure Obama is a one termer by 2012 and taking single payer off the table has already alienated more moderates and independents in addition to the base voters than you'd realize.

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The set up
Posted by: Douglas_Wilson on Jun 23, 2009 4:55 AM   
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...72 percent of the American people who favor “offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan like Medicare that would compete with private health insurance plans.”

Lets suppose this is true. Why would this be the case. We understand what a false flag operation is. What we generally fail to see is these operations at work in our every day lives. It's the same tactic. You write legislation, or rewrite the constitution, which allows predators to feed on the public. Then you act as if you're the answer. This allows your own business to profit. Both health care industries are set up to pay the governments debt. Everything that happens here and abroad is conducted to pay back the governments loans from the federal reserve.
Every crazy idea. Every new bill. Everything we see around us was created to pay interest. A debt, by the way, that is impossible to pay because it was set up to be impossible.
If we want to gain control, or even influence, of our health, and all things related to health, we will need to have our own money. In any monetary system the ability to act is exclusive to those who control the money. It's not us, it's not the government. The government is , for the most part, an agent of the money trust. So the short answer is: If you're looking to congress for help - you're barking up the wrong tree.

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Conspiracy Theory?
Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 23, 2009 6:17 AM   
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Sure sounds like a conspiracy by the insurance industry.
Of course, they couldn't be working together with our Congress, or it could be called a conspiracy.
And, we all KNOW there is no such thing happening here.
Because there is no such thing as a conspiracy - only theory.
Authorities have spoken.
Now fall in line, shut up, and pay your insurance or be fined!

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» our selfless docs Posted by: johnwinthrop
REALITY IN AMERICA
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 23, 2009 6:23 AM   
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"Americans Demand a Public Option in Health Care -- When Will Politicians Listen?"

NEVER!!
That's right--NEVER!!

Nothing-NOTHING will be done any different than the constant theft of the people BY THE INDIVIDUALS IN GOVERNEMT AT ALL LEVELS till America is GONE.
I'm 70 and have seen this DECLINE AND FALLS OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE every fucking year on my life.
This country MAY last till I'm gone however, it won't exist much longer after that.

What all of you who constantly blame the "libs", the "dems", the "neocons", the "progressives" the "gop's" and others need to BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND is that THERE IS NO GODDAMN DIFFERENCE AMONG ANY OF THEM.

They are ALL in the same closet/bed/YOUR pocket, etc.

Not a goddamn one of these theives is any different from the other one.

Till Americans~~ALL Americans begin to band together against ALL OF THEM, not one thing will be done FOR THE PEOPLE.

If you are unable to understand that it IS them against US-ALL OF THEM AGAINST ALL OF US, nothing will ever be done FOR THE PEOPLE.

Bring them ALL down, one thief at a time.

THEY are playing the game of setting Americans against each other with their bullshit of dem v. gop, etc.
THEY have this game set up and it only sucks in the gullible.
THEY want it that way and do everything THEY possibly can to keep the game going.

THEY do not want the AMERICAN PEOPLE to be on to THEIR game and, it IS a game for THEM.
THEY start bullshit arguments with bullshit issues to draw attention away from their REAL intention--living off of us while selling our wool.
STOP THEM!!
The scumbag thieves cannot put all of us in prison all together, yet THEY KNOW THEY can do it one American at a time.

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» RE: ALITY IN AMERICA Posted by: ellie
» You're right. Posted by: freelyb
Its Single Payer that American wants and needs, NOT the public option red herring
Posted by: edf on Jun 23, 2009 6:33 AM   
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Read what is included in H.R.676; health care, mental health care, dental care, long term care. The public option is merely access to a plan (not fully flushed out in detail though hundreds of pages long) that mirrors plans currently offered by for profit insurance companies. It is claimed that the public option would be a magnet for those cast away by current health insurance providers (read: NOT health care providers) due to pre-exisiting conditions, etc. No, the public is not asking for a public health option, the public is asking for H.R. 676 Medicare for All, the single payer solution. See thomas.gov, search on bill number h.r.676, read it, all 28 pages of it.
pure and simple, not your typical congressional behemouth. Single Payer Insurance is your right, it is a civil rights issue. Don't be bamboozled.

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» Thanks for your clarity. Posted by: freelyb
» RE: Yes. Posted by: oregoncharles
Class Action Suit
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Our first national document was the Declaration of Independence which stated unequivocally every American citizen has the right to "Life Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness". How can any of these Three Fundemental Rights be exercised if Our health is jepordized or endangered by lack of healthcare coverage or undercoverage?
Failure to provide adequate healthcare to All citizens is a violation of Our Civil Rights.
This fact alone is worthy of a Supreme Court Case.
But beyond those Innately American rights, is the Right to access the Free Market from ALL sides of the Table. 'We the people' are represented by our Democratically elected Public servants- a Gov't Body which is 'Of, for and By the people'...Thus so is our Collective entities Right to act as our proxy in the Free market as a producer/provider/supplier/Vendor.The Corps and their pocket politicians have relegated "We the people" to merely the labor which produces their 'wares' or the consumers who are forced to purchase the 'wares' only they produce or offer. Considering the economic reasons for Our Founders to draw up and wage a War to Declare our Independence, this lop sided Market access is fundementally UnAmerican. Our ancestors faced the same prohibition when it came to the market place- only allowed to be the labor or the consumer, but never the 'merchant' of Goods and Services. It required financial advantages and often a 'Family Crest' to be afford the priviledge to work the other side of the market table.
Failure to pass a Public Option for healthcare is not merely a violation of our Civil rights, but also a violation of our most basic Founding principles. Those Public Servants who block or deny our rights to 'Life,Liberty and the pursuit of happiness' and as Merchants in the Free market, are not only committing a grave Dereliction of Duty, but an act of Treason.

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b kenneth mcgee author: Eyes Shut Tight
Posted by: rfgtile on Jun 23, 2009 7:43 AM   
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I am a life long Democrat and a veteran of one hundred political campaigns as a professional.

I am ready, willing and able to work against any Democrat that does not declare and vote for a public option.

At the least we should demand that they give up their "free" health insurance. To my knowledge there is only one Congressman that has done so.

It is time to "throw the rascals out"

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» RE: You Can Do Better Than That Posted by: oregoncharles
Americans demand ...
Posted by: LMNOP on Jun 23, 2009 8:00 AM   
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LOL. So what?

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» Re: LOL. So what? - Exactly ! Posted by: maxpayne
You are telling Dr. NiceGuy You're only paying 40 bucks, not 100 bucks a visit? Ha!
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 23, 2009 9:04 AM   
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We have no leverage. The docs have the skills. They control the referrals. They control the labs. They control admissions to hospitals where they sit on the committees that run the hospital. Go ahead. Cut prescription costs-good. Go ahead-cut the hospital daily rate and the fifty dollar aspirin. Doc Nice Guy says screw you to lower doctor fees. What are you gonna do? Tell a radiologist you need a MRI for that headache or memory problem? The radiologist will bow in best Bengali tradition and say, "no sir, malpractice you know". Then he giggles. Then you die.

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Bullshit
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 AM   
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Look carefully at the questions in those polls: people thought they were being asked about single payer health insurance, not a half-assed "public option." And they reconfirmed that, yes, that's what they want, just as they have for decades now, since before the Clintons sabotaged health-care reform for half a generation.

And as the Dems are now discovering, they have good reason: it's the only way to AFFORD reform; it's the CHEAPEST option, precisely because it eliminates the private insurers and the confusion that comes with them.

But Parry is a hired DP shill, so he's careful to never mention that reality. And he also comes up with BS like this:

Baucus and other "centrist" (meaning Right-wing) Democrats are opposing (even) a "public option" " to secure a few GOP votes so they can claim their plan is 'bipartisan.'"

Does anyone really believe that's their reason? Is that an even slightly plausible excuse?

They're doing it for the same reason the Democratic Party is AGAINST single-payer: they're CROOKED.

This subject is making me shout.

Whether it's the wars or health insurance you're losing your temper over (or both), I can suggest a strategy:

Go down to the County Clerk's office and CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION, from Democrat (if it still is) to Green Party. People I know are already doing this. The national organizations should be calling for it: if enough people do it, the Democratic Party will actually feel your pain.

Granted, there are states where this isn't possible - you don't register by party, or the Greens aren't on the registration form and you can't write them in. In those states, you'll have to fall back on extremely impolite demonstrations or personal contacts with your Congresscritters.

(Note: even in Oregon, Democrats are now running their public events the way Bush did, keeping out anyone who may raise uncomfortable issues; Blumenauer and Howard Dean did this specifically on health care. Take it up with your city gov't.: why are city police participating in this sort of police-state stuff?)

Campaigns for 2010 are already starting; take advantage. If you want Green Party signs to help make your point, you can get them from the website: www.gp.org.

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» RE: Bullshit Posted by: Amy27605
» RE: Depends on the state. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Changing parties Posted by: hedgewytch
» This Bullshit is BULLSHIT Posted by: Will Miller
» RE: Hey, at least they noticed. Posted by: oregoncharles
A fascist nation
Posted by: hedgewytch on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 AM   
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With the recent supreme court decisions favoring the "rights" of corporations over the citizens of this country and the behavior of our elected officials listening to the lobbyists and CEO's instead of the people, then you know that we are undoubtably a fascist nation.

Maybe we should take to the streets and start closing down the insurance company offices.

Maybe we need a new Amendment to the Constitution. Please consider this:

Draft Language for the 28th Amendment - Separation of Corporation and State

Draft language for a proposed 28th Amendment is being co-created via discussion on Facebook and being vetted by constitutional attorneys. Please join us for conversation on this topic on the Facebook page One Million Strong for Separation of Corporation and State.

Current proposed language: "This amendment affirms that constitutional rights extend only to human persons. Corporations, partnerships, and other organizational entities are not human persons and, therefore, are not entitled to constitutional protections."

http://www.ultimatecivics.com/?p=233

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How can private be cheaper, more efficient, and better?
Posted by: MT512 on Jun 23, 2009 11:31 AM   
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Often the canard is that the private sector can do anything the government does, do it in less time for less money while providing a better service and profits to shareholders.

This is not possible, especially when talking about a program like Medicare, long lauded for its extremely low overhead and its efficiency. How horribly, monumentally inefficient must a government program be before a private company can do its job faster and cheaper and better and profitably? If they can achieve any of these goals, it is done at the expense of the other goals, or by paying their employees even less than the government was. To say they can achieve all the goals simply by virtue of being private business (I guess thanks to that wacky and wonderful "free market" magic) is simply not realistic.

It's much more realistic (to me) that the nature of capitalism is to insert middlemen into everything such that even more money is transferred upwards. When it's just the government serving the people, how can the rich get richer?

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US Healthcare needs fixing but does anybody here care the poll is bogus?
Posted by: pg on Jun 23, 2009 11:33 AM   
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The statistics of the poll show the sample is bogus and heavily skewed.

My son is in the hospital right now and I dread the thought of a government bureaucrat, or cost saving protocols dictating his care.

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» Public but simple Posted by: johnwinthrop
» Government Bureaucrat??? Posted by: CatDad
State's Rights only way to get Single Payer
Posted by: MFox1948 on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM   
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I am a nobody, but think the public is going about this all wrong. If we want to have Single Payer Health Care there is only one way. I believe there is enough public support (word has it 57%) and in Congress, all but a handful are all bought off, so let's start a States Rights initiative for a Single Payer Plan!

First off let's realize the status quo health care industry and drug lobby is pumping tens of millions of dollars into Congress, which will cause that legislative body to never allow Single payer see the light of day. The State's Rights process is a little slower, but I do believe that it will shock the Congress and worthless news media to take notice when the Public takes the initiative to pass a Single Payer plan outside of the Congressional process.

As stated the process will be a little longer, but it would appear to be the only chance we as a Country has of getting true Public Health Care like civilized countries around the world currently enjoy.

Any more talking to the Congress or media is 'spitting in the wind'. Please get with other Public Health Care organizations to back a State's Rights initiative.

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STATES RIGHTS WILL NOT HAPPEN FOR A SIMPLE REASON. IT IS, IN FACT, BEING ADVOCATED
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM   
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as a Trojan horse. Industry groups are big enough to buy state legislatures. I saw it happen in my state with compulsory car insurance. I saw the lead legislator leave the legislature and become a wealthy cattleman. Cattle have no serial numbers on them. They are a good place to launder illegal money. He was bought. I don't know how many others it took.

Jim Hightower reports that lobbiests (sp?) walked onto the floor of the Texas legislature while it was in session. They carried packets of cash amounting to 10,000 dollars. It wasn't even illegal. But it is the way that life works. Money talks; bull____ walks.

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THIS IS A GOOD ARTICLE. IT IS NICELY WRITTEN. BUT THE SIMPLE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 23, 2009 5:53 PM   
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fact is that the big money is speaking. Will big money speak louder than the voter? Perhaps. It happened that way with Bill Clinton. Harry Truman tried for national health. The AMA blocked him. LBJ would have done it if he thought he could. He was backed by the KERR-MILLS bill. Kerr-Mills had a short life. It covered the doctor and hospital when an old man died penniless and left unpaid medical bills. The doctors and the hospitals didn't like absorbing the loss. It wasn't such a giant step from Kerr-Mills to medicare. The doctors were losing money on old people even with Kerr-Mills.

Doctors know that there 40,000,000 patients out there that they are not making any money on. The undertakers do though. That is why some practioners support public option.

Fining or jailing everybody with out health insurance is going to get really messy. Some of us will simply go to jail out of defiance. The insurance companies are all criminals.

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What's with the title on this piece?
Posted by: Centavo on Jun 23, 2009 8:02 PM   
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AlterNet shilling for the establishment again, as usual?

I don't want a public option, I want single-payer, a safety net for everyone, and nothing less.

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You Have To Be A Patient First
Posted by: philosimphy on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 PM   
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On my local representative's site (a republican), there is a poll which is worded like this:

Do you favor:

Government Controlled Healthcare

or

Patient Controlled Healthcare

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I almost chose patient controlled, but then I thought, hey wait a minute, I'm NOT a patient yet, because I don't have health insurance.

Lousy Scummy Shady tactics. Totally Typical.

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4U, YES, 4ME...NOT SO MUCH
Posted by: reelman on Jun 25, 2009 10:04 AM   
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Update: Its being said that congress and unions will be exempt from most of the ObamaCare provisions...

will the network/print media dig into this or just keep fawning?

(shucks, a few people are actually reading a democrat bill...that is a no no)

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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History shows government run healthcare fails.
Posted by: violawall on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 AM   
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Government run health care failed in Tennessee and Massachusetts. They ran out of money! Hawaii tried government run healthcare for children and it failed also. Medicare is failing! It's about to run out of money! Having a public option that is cheaper compared to private will put private insurance out of business. Also, I didn't give any kind of mandate to President Obama or the Democrats. One of the 3 greatest lies: I'm from the government and I'm here to help you! Please! Leave me alone to live my life the way I best see fit! The Democrat Party is the party of oppression.

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When are you going to figure it out?
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 26, 2009 10:07 AM   
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Obama is another globalist. Just like Bush, Cheney and every other politician, they said what they had to say to get elected, and now they'll do what their corporate masters tell them to do. We don't count at all until the next lying season - election season, that is.

Ian

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When Will Politicians Listen?
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 29, 2009 1:36 PM   
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When We the People tie them up, forcibly remove their heads from their asses, clean their ears out and CONVINCE them that if they do ANYTHING but what WE tell them to do, they'll be pounding the sidewalks looking for work after the next elections. Anything less than that just won't get their attention.

Ian

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Obama: The Bernie Madoff President
Posted by: Triton on Jun 30, 2009 6:08 AM   
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In no time it became apparent that the American people, unknowingly, bought into a mega swindle, when they fell for the smooth talking Mr. Obama. The "Yes We Can" slogan in reality applied to the corporations, Wall Street, the CIA, NSA and the Congress. It was not meant to improve the lives of the vast majority of citizens. No meaningful investigations or punishment of those responsible for the torture program, unlimited support of the crooked bankers and other assorted criminal parasites. Continued electronic surveillance of the population, repression of dissenters (low level terrorists) and the ongoing use of signing statements to further increase the power of the imperial presidency. More troops in Afghanistan to fight a war which is winnable. Obama is no leader. Obama is merely a sweet talking cats paw of the establishment which, based on greed and corruption, is leading this nation down the path to destruction. Nothing will come of the efforts to improve health care which is so desperately needed because he is a man of words not of actions. We thought we would see improvement based on his slick speeches, instead, like all those who invested with Bernie Madoff, we are going to lose hope and be subjected to on going failed policies and contempt.

America- Have a nice day!

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