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Warning: Health Care Lobbyists Are Winning the Battle to Screw All of Us

By Marie Cocco, Washington Post Writers Group. Posted June 18, 2009.


Lobbyists sense that their chances of protecting big insurers, drug companies, medical specialties, technology companies are improving.
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WASHINGTON -- You can't get there from here. Not if there is defined as health insurance coverage for everyone in the United States, lower costs for the millions of insured who are being crushed by its price, and relief for employers who are burdened by an expense many wish they could wipe off their books. And not if here is where the health insurance political debate is stuck.

At the moment, Republicans are gleeful and Democrats glum because of a Congressional Budget Office analysis -- based on an incomplete and early draft of what is likely to be the most liberal-leaning health care proposal to emerge from the Senate -- that shows the measure just won't get the job done. The budget office says the partial draft put together mainly by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., would reduce the number of uninsured by only about 16 million (out of upwards of 47 million) and cost about $1 trillion over the next decade. That's very little bang for a lot of bucks. But no one should be surprised at either number. For starters, candidate Barack Obama never ran on a platform to provide universal coverage. Of course he always said -- then and now -- that his goal is to cover everyone. But he has never put forward a concrete proposal for doing so, and hasn't endorsed a firm mandate that everyone purchase insurance. Remember those primary-season debates in which rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards criticized him for this? Attention should have been paid.

Now President Obama has left the legislative "details," as the White House likes to call them, to our esteemed lawmakers on Capitol Hill. This has fed an every-member-for-himself mentality, an instinct that needs no nourishment. Lawmakers of every political leaning are putting forward their own ideas, none of them as tough-minded or comprehensive as a single administration-initiated proposal might have been. Why? Because senators and members of the House represent discrete districts that are driven by their own local and political imperatives. They don't represent the country as a whole -- nor, when the subject is as complicated and has so many regional differences as health care, should we expect them to.

The result is a raft of proposals that are patch-and-fill jobs on the current system -- a system that pretty much everyone believes is crumbling to the point of collapse. This is an odd way to begin a major reconstruction project.

No one has seriously proposed concrete cost controls such as discount purchasing of prescription drugs by a government entity, which would demonstrably cut costs. In fact, the initial CBO analysis that my fellow liberals are so upset about shows not cost savings but a great deal of cost-shifting: The government would save money it now uses to subsidize tax-free insurance premiums, because some employees would drop workplace plans and purchase insurance through a new "exchange." But this savings would only partially offset the cost of providing subsidies to those who can't afford to purchase a policy outright. Meanwhile, the private insurance industry would continue to be the chief source of coverage -- and the only one, if the industry gets its way and Democrats produce legislation that does not create a public insurance plan as one purchase option.

Advocates of a single, national insurance system that would involve explicit cost controls and guidelines for care -- that might put an end to such wasteful practices as over-testing -- have been shunted aside. This is in part because Democrats quiver when Republicans call them "socialists." But Republicans cry "socialist" even when Democrats promote weak reforms that barely nick the vested interests. That's what's happening now. No one has seriously proposed an overhaul that would achieve what a single-payer system has been shown to accomplish in most other countries: universal coverage with lower costs that delivers better results than we now get in the United States.

Instead, Democrats have all but abandoned the idea that everyone be covered without exception. They've so far avoided endorsing clear cost-containment measures that would pass the budget-scorers' test of legitimacy. The wished-for savings that Obama says he wants the private insurance industry to achieve are exactly that -- wishes. The winners so far are health-industry lobbyists. They sense that their chances of protecting the interests of big insurers, drug companies, medical specialties, technology companies and the like are improving every day. They're probably right.

Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco(at)washpost.com.

(c) 2009, Washington Post Writers Group


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Marie Cocco is a prize-winning syndicated columnist on political and cultural topics for The Washington Post Writers Group. She is a frequent commentator on national TV and radio shows.

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here's how you'd benefit
Posted by: whoopingcrone on Jun 18, 2009 3:17 AM   
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personally,from a comprehensive singe-player plan:
1. the cost of mental health care would be covered.
2. those among us who suffer from fear-inspired antipathy and cynicism could learn non-destructive ways of feeling okay about themselves, if they chose
3. you could join them, at no extra cost

metta

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» Excellent, but... Posted by: freelyb
RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 18, 2009 4:24 AM   
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Well since you're a self-proclaimed social Darwinist, it's tempting to leave my comment at "figure it out for yourself."

But even selfish, amoral punks would benefit from a national single-payer plan. It would simply save you money.

You'd be paying the government instead of some greedy business man, but if you factor all the money that you currently pay for health care (or if you're young and healthy, the money you will eventually pay) under the current system, you will save significantly under a single-payer plan.

And the good news is, that since most single-payer plans I've seen bandied about only socialize the insurance and not the entire system, you still get to choose any health care provider you like -- which is also an improvement over most private plans we have today.

So to sum up. It will be cheaper and you'll have more choice. And for those with a moral conscience it will also provide health care for everyone.

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RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: WakeUpHadEnough? on Jun 18, 2009 4:46 AM   
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Typical "I got mine, fuck you" attitude. This is fine for you, until you need help from anyone. If it hasn't happened yet, it will. Plus, if you have health insurance now, what are you paying? Are you ok with your dollars going to pay CEO's like United Health Care's Bill McGuire 1.7 BILLION dollars in retirement compensation. Are you ok with hard working Americans that get cancer being dropped from insurance?

If you're a libetarian, you should be outraged by this. If you're an anarchist, then you probably live by yourself in a cabin and are off the grid all together.

No, I think it's more important for you to rail against "the other" (welfare trash) and blame the country's woes on someone else.

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Honky: I always thought you were a moron …
Posted by: DJC11 on Jun 18, 2009 5:23 AM   
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and now I know it's true. Hard facts? How about the fact that the US people pay the most for healthcare, yet they don't live the longest.

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little miss muffet
Posted by: widdydupree on Jun 18, 2009 5:26 AM   
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Listen, folks: Venom and sarcasm are not going to cut it with this guy...

Nihilist, here's how you would benefit: As of now, uninsured people who are sick or injured are shipped to the ER at the nearest (taxpayer-funded) public hospital. The ER's are required by law to provide treatment for these people; but bear in mind that emergency care costs 2-3 times what it would cost to be treated at the doctor's office for, say, a sprained wrist, or case of flu, whatever. If the playing field were leveled, so to speak, and drug companies, for example, could no longer charge at a 500% profit margin, then yes, you'd still be buying health care for "welfare kids", but at a greatly reduced price. So, your pocket would actually benefit from this reform. Not to mention that, somewhere, somehow, some uninsured someone that you might actually come to care about might be saved!

But Nihilist, I'm still trying to figure out what your camera has to do with health care...

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RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: herronsmith on Jun 18, 2009 6:28 AM   
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http://cthealth.server101.com/
the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm

Generally I would leave this for anyone to research for themselves. I am disgusted with folks who spew vitriol but are either too lazy or ignorant to find answers on their own. I am breaking my rule since I believe this article is fairly complete with arguments for single-payer.

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If you like saving money...
Posted by: james108 on Jun 18, 2009 6:38 AM   
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With single payer there is absolutely zero chance a catastrophic event will wipe out all your savings due to medical costs alone.

With single payer, the rational for cost shifting, which is where hospitals and providers are allowed to overcharge, with no real accountability, for money they say they lost due to uninsured and underpaying clients, is simply not there.

People will not be in a situation where they cannot even afford the drugs their tax dollars helped produce, test and market, but that's another discussion maybe.

Has any single payer system cost anything near what we're paying now? Granted, we don't have to take the Canadian model and can do much better than that, if we could get rid of the democrat and republican's monopoly of the national political discussion on the subject. I'm reminded of the election, where the only figures and proposals allowed in the debates were the democratic and republican inferior ones. Somehow, none of the 4 other main candidates proposing withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and many of the other troops policing the world, establishing a balanced approach with the help of the Palestinian and Israeli peace moments, getting rid of FISA and the Patriot Act and making the government accountable to the people, requiring truthful disclosure of our reasons for war, and many other things were not even allowed into the national debate. We're not much different from Iran, in terms of stifled debate, at least in the government, where only democratic or republican "solutions" seem to be up for discussions.

Why not establish a bare minimum of what we consider essential services, see what that would cost versus what we're paying, and go from there?

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RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: richholland on Jun 18, 2009 7:13 AM   
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in holland on an nett income of $ 1400 this 66 yr old has deduction of $ 100, and a personal premium of 125, per month and a yearly own risk of $ 200,

but nearly everything covered.

the system is a combi of state quarantee and competing companies.
preexisting conditions are no reason to exclede.

health care shouldnt be a profit vehicle.

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What are the lobbyists doing for you?
Posted by: sliver on Jun 18, 2009 8:09 AM   
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Name one way you would benefit from a lobbyist-run health insurance program.

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RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: cberkland on Jun 18, 2009 8:34 AM   
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As much as I disagree with your complete lack of concern for the less fortunate, I am very impressed with your honesty. Selfishness and greed is what is really behind the conservative ideology in our country but the vast majority are too cowardly to admit it. Thank you. It's refreshing for a change.
Out of curiosity, I have a question for you. I'm not religious at all but wondering if you are, particularly a Christian. I'm asking because it's not that infrequent that who I hear such selfishness from ironically enough call themselves Christian. However, Jesus taught compassion, forgiveness, empathy, etc. If you have any thoughts on that, I'd love to hear them.

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RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: clthompson on Jun 18, 2009 8:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Everything doesn't always have to be about you and your money. Providing universal health care is simply the right thing to do. It doesn't matter if Welfare Kids are covered or not. Helping others is part of what it means to be a human being. Humans developed a system of reciprocity when they came out of the trees. We used to live in communal groups where everyone helped everyone else because it made evolutionary sense.

My sister works in a doctor's office. She works long and hard hours and has a terrific work ethic. She is hardly a welfare recipient. Even with her insurance, though, she can not pay the 20% of her bills from the Cancer she contracted last year. Not only does she have Cancer, now she has to worry about claiming bankruptcy as she works 40 long and hard hours a week while taking chemotherapy which makes her miserable. My sister is not alone. There are millions like her who work hard, but are devastated when illness actually does come.

Don't tout that ugly canard that "we have the best medical care in the world." We do not. Maybe for the super rich we do, but for average people, medical care is pitiful. We have the lowest health measures on multiple issues: longevity, infant mortality, general health, than any other so-called first world country. That includes you, I suspect, unless you are fabulously wealthy. Perhaps health care reform would improve health care so that we can begin to reclaim our place at the top of the health care pinnacle in the world.

The lobbyists for the drug companies, AMA, and insurance agencies are getting rich off of your back. That's what's in it for you.

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OK, here's the real deal!!!!!!!.
Posted by: progressive-life on Jun 18, 2009 9:35 AM   
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Here's how we SHOULD benefit..

right now the "unisnsured" can get medical treatment at any hospital. They may wait in the emrgency room for hours unless they have an actual emergency. But under Obamainsurance they'll wait months to get in, if at all!.

Now the patient files for a charity case with the state..most if not all poor qualify and the state picks up the tab. Now, the "state" is really us..so we pick up the tab and its more expensive than what an insurer would agree to pay - we know how incompetent and wasteful government programs can be.

So under Obama , the government will only pay those participating docs and hospitals a certain (lower) amount, AND considering how long it takes a person to get an appointment under government insurance with less doc participating you have to figure they'd be healed BEFORE they ever get to ses a doc, hence NO COST!!!!!!

Ingenious!!!!!!

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» RE: Ignorant!!!!!!!. Posted by: sasquuatch55
RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: mattylou on Jun 18, 2009 9:37 AM   
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You may not be "shown" what you need to see until a crisis hits. OK, you're 20 & no crisis in sight but as a nurse I have seen what happens when the cost & length of your treatment for anything from hives to cancer exceeds the expectation that you will die or recover while a piece of the profit remains intact. It's a disgusting system until you or your mom must deal w/ some serious issue. Then get ready to fork over a great deal of cash even if you've been covered in the past. If your head injury from the fall off the bike means months & months of rehab & repeat surgery you will be on your own & best hope you have a few good friends to see you through. I can't imagine how you could be so unfamiliar with healthcare in the USA. Just got your HS diploma & a job w/ insurance? Ever travel outside the US?

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RE: The Right wingers are trying to confuse the Single payer issue.....
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jun 18, 2009 11:04 AM   
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..... by asking and polling, are you happy with your health care? Health CARE is not the problem or the issue, it's the Ins. companies.
More spin to keep us dazed and confused.

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RE: Honky the Nihilist VII: ME; Me; Me!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jun 18, 2009 11:07 AM   
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nt

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RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Jun 18, 2009 12:28 PM   
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You should really go back to your mother's womb and her mother's and so on until you get to the wild wild west days in some Los Vegas brothel then you can come out and crow your f...ing stupid barbaric claims. You are the type that needs to get f..k or be f..ked there is no humanity in your type

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You better be good or FatDaddy's gonna take your allowance away.
Posted by: judette on Jun 18, 2009 2:46 PM   
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You're disgustingly selfish and I'll bet your hands are all soft and clammy, too, like Cheney's.

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Show me how I would benefit from responding to you,...
Posted by: freelyb on Jun 18, 2009 11:36 PM   
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...jerk.

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Hey Moron, You're already paying for them!
Posted by: Cameo on Jun 19, 2009 12:22 PM   
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you are the problem with this world.

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TOO PESSIMISTIC
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 18, 2009 3:09 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maria- I believe you are being too pessimistic.

Here is my forecast. Meaningful healthcare reform will happen in 2009 and will include a public health option. This will be the gateway to someday single payer.

The President- recognizing that Congress is weak- will use his high popularity and power of personality to get reform accomplished.

Also Peter Orszag- head of OMB- and others who have Obama's ear know that health care reform is central to our nation's long term economic well being.

The public health option plan will contain provisions that will put an end to the excessive greed of the for profit vested interests- most notably Big PhRMA and Big Insurance who are "on the ropes" already.They know it.

There will be many justifiable economic losers but Obama will get a plan where the real winners will be all American health care consumers

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: TOO PESSIMISTIC Posted by: drone
» SOMEDAY singlepayer? Posted by: Centavo
» Too optimistic Posted by: DJC11
» Well, Doc Posted by: progressive-life
» RE: TOO PESSIMISTIC Posted by: wwittman
» RE: TOO PESSIMISTIC Posted by: robbrian
Reform efforts are just political theater
Posted by: Moonray on Jun 18, 2009 4:44 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It should be clear now to everyone paying attention that the Democrats are not serious about reforming anything, and certainly not health care. Look at the big picture, like the billionaire executives who really run this country. The Obama administration is an exercise in managing rising public expectations. It's a kind of political masturbation designed to relieve the growing pressure on the status quo.

After a terrific presidential campaign and a large amount of political tap-dancing, many "reform" efforts will be undertaken (sort of), but none really any threat to the status quo. That's the way our system works. The two-party system was co-opted by multinational corporations decades ago and ever since Congress has been kind of a political theater troupe. Obama just happens to be the hot new star of the moment.

Reforms will be strangled in their cradle by right-wing groups that will flood the TV and radio networks with misleading ads. Arms will be twisted in Congress. Lots of money will change hands, some of it by electronic transfers to obscure offshore banks. And gradually Obama will emerge as an impotent idealist, like Jimmy Carter; or a reckless letch, like Bill Clinton (if that can be arranged) or as just a political curiosity, like Gerald Ford. But four years from now -- or eight, if Obama becomes an obedient servant of the financial-military-industrial complex -- America will return to the slimy embrace of the Republican Party, hardly aware that we ever left.

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» Boots Posted by: Perry Logan
» Terrific post. Posted by: DJC11
» We need new blood... Posted by: freelyb
"I enjoy being a dick to you clowns"
Posted by: bthespoon on Jun 18, 2009 4:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
says it all.

Ignore dicks.

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We need another FDR NOW, more than ever
Posted by: bthespoon on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 AM   
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and Obama is no FDR.

We're so screwed. Fascist Capitalism is what we have, and our choice is between Tweedle Dum or Dee. Tweedle Dum doesn't have a clue, and Tweedle Dee knows what needs to be done but refuses to do so for "practical" reasons.

We've got Barack "Tweedle Dee" Obama in charge....yay.

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little miss muffet
Posted by: widdydupree on Jun 18, 2009 5:14 AM   
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Listen, folks: Venom and sarcasm are not going to cut it with this guy...

Nihilist, here's how you would benefit: As of now, uninsured people who are sick and injured are shipped to the ER at the nearest (taxpayer-funded) public hospital. The ER's are required by law to provide treatment for these people; but bear in mind that emergency care costs 2-3 times what it would cost to be treated at the doctor's office for, say, a sprained wrist, or case of flu, whatever. If the playing field were leveled, so to speak, and drug companies, for example, could no longer charge at a 500% profit margin, then yes, you'd still be buying health care for "welfare kids", but at a greatly reduced price. So, your pocket would actually benefit from this reform. Not to mention that, somewhere, somehow, some uninsured someone you might actually come to care about might be saved!

But Nihilist, I'm still trying to figure out what your camera has to do with health care...

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Treated Like Iranians
Posted by: Triton on Jun 18, 2009 6:27 AM   
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In the recent massive coverage of unreset by the Iranian people over an election result similiar to one we had not long ago in this country I encountered the following comment:

"In Iran all pretentions of popular will are thrown by the wayside."

This is exactly the same situation which exists in the Senate of the United States. With regard to single payer health care, what makes our government any different than that of Iran?

In many ways the efforts of the CIA to destabilize the government of Iran resemble the efforts of corporate American to destabilize our own government.

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» Absolutely! Posted by: freelyb
No compromise - single payer now. Fuck the insurance rip-offs and
Posted by: thekidde on Jun 18, 2009 6:35 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
brain-dead right wingers who don't have a clue. Follow Iran's lead and hit the streets with clubs and torches. If the US gestapo come out, bring a fucking gun.

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» Okay Posted by: freelyb
This goddamned corptocracy is killing us!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 18, 2009 7:39 AM   
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Corporations have merged with government, which was basically Mussolini's definition of fascism:

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini.

Wake-up, sheeple!

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HR676 and HR1866 are the lobbyists' worst enemies.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 18, 2009 8:11 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Legalizing hemp and opening the doors to allowing more alternative natural cures to penetrate the market and compete with petroleum based poison pharmaceuticals coupled with passing single payer and putting the pompous frauds of Big Insurance on the defensive and making them pay is Corporate America's biggest nightmare and they're desperately counting on Washington to keep bailing them out so that they can keep on churning the money to keep their fascist propaganda running. Osama bin Laden and his terrorist allies are enjoying every moment of the corporate fascists destroying this nation with their puppets in Washington working hard as hell to crash the country the same way the 19 hijackers crashed those planes into WTC and the Pentagon.

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The devil (or the promise) is IN the "details."
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 18, 2009 8:36 AM   
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"Of course he [Obama] always said -- then and now -- that his goal is [for healthcare] to cover everyone. But he has never put forward a concrete proposal for doing so ... Now President Obama has left the legislative "details," as the White House likes to call them, to our esteemed lawmakers on Capitol Hill. This has fed an every-member-for-himself mentality, an instinct that needs no nourishment."
. . . . .

This is not leadership, Obama, this is "followship"; the same old "pass the buck" and political maneuvering most of us wanted the "Change You Can Believe In" administration to leave behind. And we need concrete to anchor all those pretty ballons that were floated in front of us during the campaign; that is, if we don't want to watch the future for ourselves and the American Dream float away with them.

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Ok since they want to play
Posted by: jstepp590 on Jun 18, 2009 9:57 AM   
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We should use the power of the purse against them. Let's all stop paying insurance and just go to the hospital when we need to, since they aren't allowed to turn us away.

Insurance, out of business. HMO's, out of business. Government, no choice but to go to the same system that works well in every other country or we go bankrupt. Drug companies, forced into price controls. Wars, can't afford them any more and our troops get to come home where they belong.

I say, let the games begin. Let's play.

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» Absolutely! Posted by: DJC11
» RE: Absolutely! Posted by: 1gma
» Fantastic Idea, But... Posted by: red godowar
» Sounds good, but... Posted by: photon's feather
» Exactly Posted by: james108
» RE: Sounds good, but... Posted by: jstepp590
» RE: Sounds good, but... Posted by: photon's feather
» No. I didn't think you'd have a reply... Posted by: photon's feather
Nobody ever tells me anything
Posted by: willymack on Jun 18, 2009 11:58 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So the defenders of our rights and spokespersons for the public good are going to cave in to corporate interests yet again? Tell me it ain't so!
Lesse now; that'd mean that our elected oficials are part of the PROBLEM, and not part of the solution, right?
Why didn't anybody tell me? (as if it'd do any good).

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» Not really Posted by: james108
It's 1993 again!
Posted by: susanhathaway on Jun 18, 2009 2:52 PM   
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The Congressional "debate" over how to preserve and increase insurance industry profits at taxpayer expense while giving some appearance of attempting to confer a benefit on the public is making me think we may be lucky if we get the same result we did in 1993. Then, as now, everyone except the public was given a "seat at the table," and the result was such a conflicting mess of half-assed regulations that it was a relief when the bill failed to pass because it looked like a good bet to make things worse, not better.

Unless Obama puts aside his reluctance to go against his corporate idols and instead calls strongly for a public option, we have zero chance of seeing that public option in the final legislation. In other words, we're screwed.

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Two words
Posted by: leighsure on Jun 18, 2009 3:40 PM   
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With 83% of Americans desiring healthcare insurance reform and with Congre$$ dithering, obfuscating, and ignoring while bowing to the Golden Idol, it is time for the Idle, we the Sheeple, to think about the easiest and most effective way to voice our displeasure -

GENERAL STRIKE.

For the cynical: how do you know until you've tried? It works elsewhere in the world under governments with less of a democratic tradition.
If enough people start TALKING about this as a consequence of legislative failure, it might persuade Senators and Reps that we are FUCKIN' SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!

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We have the numbers
Posted by: james108 on Jun 18, 2009 5:05 PM   
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We can make this part of the political discussion and demand real numbers and real answers to our questions.

Physicians for a National Health Program claims to have more than 16 thousand members.

How many people voted for Nader or the Green Party? You know they were all for single payer.

How many uninsured are there that won't be helped by the democrats most rosy projections, and we've known them to fudge the numbers in their favor.

How many people will lose their existing coverage as the democrats tax and tax to pay for this wasteful proposal?

And I'm not even thinking of the conservatives that may want a real explanation of the cost shifting tax they're paying, what they're paying now in outright taxes to the under insured, and what would happen if fate twisted just a little. In other words, there may be conservatives that can do the math and are not morally resistant to helping others if it helps themselves.

This should be part of the national political discussion, and one of our options.

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HOSPITAL INSURANCE FRAUD
Posted by: Kimberly on Jun 21, 2009 9:59 PM   
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Misprison of a felony: Termination of INDIVIDUAL Federal HMO Health Policies, to force illegal State Medicaid KICKBACK Conversions T42CFR417.1 Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR T18CFR1518CRIME ) processes BY the Department of Justice [ T18CFR242CRIME ] and throughout the Executive Branch of the federal government
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1998 U.S. Attorney General and HHS OIG Provider Self-Disclosure Protocol (SDP), see 63 Fed. Reg. 58,399 Program ~ 1996 HIPAA Violation | T18CFR286CRIME | T18CFR371CRIME ~ Color of Law T42CFR417.1 Willfully failed to keep individuals from harm T18CFR242CRIME RACKETEERING
DATED: November 24, 1998 June Gibbs Brown [ HHS ] Inspector General
DATED: November 24, 1998 Nancy-Ann Min DeParle [ HCFA ] Administrator
DATED: January 16, 2008 Daniel R. Levinson [ HHS ] Inspector General
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Office of Inspector General, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services -- Organization URL(s) PUBLIC AFFAIRS ~ The Inspector General's Hotline was established to protect the integrity of programs of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). HHS employees, Federal Contractors, and the GENERAL PUBLIC can call or write the Hotline to report violations of law [ white collar crime HHS T42CFR417.1 Anti-dumping and Anti-Kickback Violation T18CFR24Crime ] and regulations in HHS programs and operations.
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The OIG has created a 'SPECIAL SECTION' in its Investigations Division to process these complaints. This section will * Identify the More SERIOUS * Civil Rights and civil liberties allegations and assign them to OIG employees for ( T18CFR1518CRIME ~ T18CFR242CRIME ) investigation. The OIG will refer other complaints to Department components for their review and handling.
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2003 Federal Budget Committee ~ knowingly ~ Financed $130 Billion Dollars for 1998 U.S. Attorney General and HHS OIG 'Volentary Discloused' Health Care Fraud and Abuse T42CFR417.1 AGAINST Entitled Federal Beneficiaries and Federal Health Care Programs ~ Claiming it ~> HCFA State Medicaid Kickback Conversions T18CFR242CRIME

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» RE: HOSPITAL INSURANCE FRAUD Posted by: Kimberly
We Need A Revolution for The Grand Children
Posted by: robbrian on Jun 23, 2009 6:06 AM   
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It will probably be too late, as ususal (the financial bailout really ripped us off), by the time American's who need health care most realize what the Congress, again, has done to them. This population of basically, semi-literate whiners,will skulk and bloviate that they were screwed and why didn't someone clue them in?

With Obama playing both ends toward the middle and placing the burden of "real" leadership on a hapless Congress, intelligent citizens, who in the majority, want a public health care option can just kiss their majority goodbye.

Obama does not care since he is the acolyte of the financial masters of the universe. He must appear to be our leader, not actually lead. Since we have no majority amongst elected officials, and there is no fortitude in the White House, it is our responsiblility to obtain what we the majority claim to be our due.

We are not strangers to demonstrating our will by marching in the streets, filling the National Mall, jamming the Halls of Congress, or getting out the vote to replace those who look down their noses at we the majority.

Over the next four months, July-October, you will see massive amounts of money thrown at elected officials, coupled with unrestrained MSM spewing misinformation about the pro's and cons' of a public health care option.

What you will need to do is stay linked to your computer to visit sites like www.Globalresearch.com, www.Alternet.com, www.huffingtonpost.com, www.politico.com and many other reliable cyberspace investigators of reality and unvarnished reporting on those who shirk their responsibility by ignoring the majority.

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