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Health & Wellness

Should You Let Your Kids Eat Junk Food?

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted January 12, 2009.


Our readers sound off on a recent article about parents who who don't let their kids eat candy, soda and chips.
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As the staggering rate of childhood obesity continues to climb, many parents are trying to counter the influence of genes, peers and pretty much the entire marketing industry by strictly managing their kids' diets. In many homes, candy, soda and chips have been entirely banished in favor of the wholesome, unglamorous offerings of the organic fruit aisle.

But is forbidding junk food the best way to keep kids healthy?

Writer Laura Benneth doesn't think so. In "My War Against Food Nazi Moms," Bennett points out that far from arming their kids with healthy eating habits, health-obsessed parents deprive them of essential lessons about moderation and good decision-making. The child that rarely encounters junk food will desperately gorge itself on sugary, fatty treats when given the chance. The adult that never learned to moderate is prone to over-eating and other addictions.   

So how can parents protect their children's health? Is keeping junk food out of the house the best way to teach kids about nutrition? Or does banning junk invest unhealthy food with the thrill of the forbidden? Does sheltering kids stunt their ability to make good decisions?

AlterNet commentators had a lot to say about these questions and more.

Many readers agreed with the Laura Benneth, arguing that giving kids space makes them more responsible. Dyolfknip claims that his mother's permissiveness helped him develop important life skills:

When I was 15 years old I asked my mother if I could have a drinking party at our house … Since I had never up till this point been really drunk I just kept wanting more and more and more, until I realized that I was hanging over a toilet vomiting with such ferocity that some of it was splattering back onto my face … I cannot thank my mother enough. That torment is impressed upon my mind and when I drink now (and ever since) it is never to excess. It took till second or third year university for most of my friends to fully appreciate this lesson.

Realmuzik agrees that teaching kids moderation is key:

Moderation is what must be emphasized in teaching children how to be good eaters and discretionary food consumers. Kids indeed need to be taught that there are reasons why they can't have "junk food" treats at their beck-and-call demand. However, they should be treated as treats/rewards rather than be deprived of them entirely. 

Overseas writes that even their children's doctor is wary of entirely denying kids junk food:

We asked [our pediatrician) about nutrition …  What he found was … the more kids have Nazi parents on food the less they can self-moderate. In fact, studies in preschools show that if good and bad food is placed out for grazing over a period of a month kids will take a balanced diet.

According to Mom1, while it's important to guide your kids towards healthy eating habits,  it's much more important to help them develop good decision-making skills:

I'm into the organic stuff a fair bit now, but I don't plan to ever ban the junk because I have had visiting kids in my home from the exact scenario the writer described, and experienced the same thing! I want my kids to see it as 'no big deal' -- something they know how to manage.

Lady L brings up the point that our obsession with food is unhealthy:

I'm all for healthy eating, and I despair almost daily of my Aspie son's extremely limited palate, but like anything, focusing on whether everything you eat provides perfect nutrition is, well, unhealthy.

DeBear takes the argument a step further, pointing out that over-managing our kids is symptomatic of a larger surveillance culture in the U.S.:

All it takes to destroy kids is an oppressive surveillance culture backed by white-male dominant paramilitaries ... And we wonder why our kids go off to university and go batshit.

amazingatheist also argues that our health-obsessed safety culture has gone too far:


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Balance and variety
Posted by: jbro434 on Jan 12, 2009 3:52 AM   
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I appreciate the fact that there has been a renewed focus on healthy eating and that with a little effort , you can create a menu plan in your home that focuses on locally grown organic veggies, limited or no meat and delicious snacks that are not full of junk.
Studies have shown that not only are you reducing the amount of pesticides in your body by eating organic, you are getting more nutrients than conventionally grown produce. Deeper root systems on organic plants feed more vital nutrients into the fruits and pods. Of course, the best way to get great local veggies is to grow your own. I am amazed at what I can grow in a fairly small plot. I always wind up giving some away to neighbors. I need to learn to can my own next.
My wife and I can whip up some pretty mean veggie chili and pasta dishes using finely chopped veggies rather than meat. Our son never had ground beef in his dishes growing up unless he ate elsewhere. Going meatless for the majority of meals is easy and healthy.
Now as far as junk food is concerned, let's remember that the junk of today is not the same junk in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Corn syrup has replaced sugar and the endless barage of crap is growing faster than kudzu. PHO and palm oil are used in all types of junk food today unlike 20 years ago. If you look hard enough and in the right places, you can find healthier snacks than Doritos, Twinkies and Mrs. Field's cookies that taste better and are not filled with corn syrup and oils. Keep them around in small doses along with plenty of fruit and nobody will feel deprived. Educate your kid's as to why you do this and they will at least think twice when they are over at their friend's houses or in front of the snack machines at school.
Encourage them to stay active, limit TV and computer time.
There are no guarantees in how our kids will end up or what they will get in to when outside the house. All you really can do is try to get them off to a good start and plant the seeds.

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As I said ..moderate...
Posted by: overseas on Jan 12, 2009 4:21 AM   
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As an American who has spent 20+ years overseas due to my work I have lived side by side with Europeans and other cultures for many years and currently live in southeast Europe. I do not hear them OBSESSING about food, or wine or sex like we Americans do. On kids they are more relaxed and certainly they do not give dirty looks if a kid eats chocolate or ice cream or a croissant with butter in it. Most Europeans suffer less from obesity and lead generally happier lives in my view as they do not obsess so much about thier kids. STOP obsessing. Let them get dirty abit or eat a chocolate with a drop of booze in it. Laugh off abstinence theories that don't work. Life is about moderation and enjoyment...enjoy your kids and enjoy life. Being alittle European is not a bad idea.

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» RE: As I said ..moderate... Posted by: john mont
» RE: As I said ..moderate... Posted by: KAvatar
» RE: As I said ..moderate... Posted by: helenahanbasquet
» RE: on advertizing Posted by: Sushi
» RE: As I said ..moderate... Posted by: KAvatar
» RE: As I said ..moderate... Posted by: Yankeeinexile
» Others Don't Obsess ... Yet Posted by: femmyv
» Europeans Posted by: kepstein7777
Kids imitate their parents
Posted by: olderworker on Jan 12, 2009 4:37 AM   
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If you as a parent eat mostly healthy food, your kids will follow suit.

My parents loved to sneak cookies, cake, etc. though ate healthily most of the time, and guess what I do? Exactly the same thing! I'm not overweight, but do have a hard time avoiding sweets.

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The trouble
Posted by: andrushka on Jan 12, 2009 5:19 AM   
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with Americans, is that they immediately have a cop behind them when the dont do "properly" whatever they are supposed to do! Eat healthy food, of course, but do the supermarkets offer them food at a price that EVERYONE can afford?
It is an education that is also lacking. And yes, as a previous post mentions it is all a question of moderation, and eating should be a pleasant occupation 3 times a day with good company as we normally do in Europe. Unfortunately as Europe always seems to HAVE to copy what the US do, we now find that obesity is spreading here too. Industrially prepared food, sodas that are loaded with unnecessary sugar, etc...

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» RE: The trouble Posted by: Chaimirija
» RE: The trouble Posted by: notmom
» People don't know how to cook Posted by: suprmark
Toby
Posted by: Toby on Jan 12, 2009 5:47 AM   
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when I was a kid back in the 60s,candy and other junk food was considered a rare treat. It was almost never kept in the house but it wasn't banned or demonized either. I learned to associate it with special occasions such as holidays. Hence, subconsciously, having chocolates always available would have seemed like having the Christmas tree on display all year - strange and inappropriate. I grew up with little taste for the stuff and no taste for fast food. Good cooking and common sense wins out in the end.Further - my play was unsupervised, I was out of touch for hours at a time (no cell phones or kiddie GPS) I came home dirty, I experimented with various things that probably would have horrified my mother and through it all, learned to make choices, be responsible for my own actions and explore life with reasonable caution but without fear. Kids today somehow usually manage to learn the same lessons but controlling, over-protective parents do not make the process easier.

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Black-and-white is not the way to think about it
Posted by: artifax on Jan 12, 2009 5:53 AM   
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To only view parents who promote healthy eating as "obsessive" shows the bias that most "unhealthy" eaters bring to the issue. This would include the medical "experts" who in reality, rarely have a clue about eating well anyway.

We raised our kids on very healthy diets and rarely had junk food at home, but did allow a little on the outside. Our kids knew early on that the real world is not set up to support health, but they also learned the differences of each dietary style.

When routinely applied in relaxed fashion as just "what we do," eating well at home doesn't have to "feel" different than enjoying any other family cuisine, be it ethnic- or religion-based, or just a slapped-together pastiche. But the fact that eating well is so out of the mainstream, brings on the interpretation it is "obsessive" from clueless others.

In my family, our kids saw the benefits when we applied the principles of good health and learned from it. We accepted that they'd stray from eating great as they got older and more independent, but we also knew they'd know the difference, not slip as far into the routinely bad habits of most Americans and come back to it later in life when peer pressure lessens.

I don't think this approach was obsessive. But those so far into the other extreme – obsessed in their own way and far more locked in – seem to find it hard to think reasonably about the possibilities.

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And BTW ...
Posted by: artifax on Jan 12, 2009 6:07 AM   
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... If YOU don't educate your kids about eating well, the commercial interests will. So are you really being a nutsy,Nazi, control-freak or a responsible parent?

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» Educate Posted by: kepstein7777
Every "no" produces an opposing "yes" of equal power
Posted by: hagwind on Jan 12, 2009 6:51 AM   
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That's my loose translation of "Every action produces an equal and opposite reaction." It's a really useful guideline for understanding human behavior -- and that includes politics. Tell a kid (or an adult) that something is bad bad bad and what halfway gutsy kid isn't going to see for herself? If your mother goes up in the air when you come home with Mickey D's grease on your breath and you're looking to establish your independence of parental authority and/or get a reaction, where you gonna go?

And so often it's the mothers who act as enforcers on this one. Doesn't surprise me much. Way back in the early 1980s Kim Chernin wrote in her book The Obsession: Reflections on the Tyranny of Slenderness that the only things women were allowed to control were our figures. Now it's not just about what we eat, it's about what our kids eat -- and our pets! Checked out the high-end health-food market for dogs and cats lately? How much of it is actually about health?

My hunch is that the anti-food impulse comes from the same source as the anti-sex impulse: a fear of the out-of-(rational)-control body.

"Junk food is gonna kill you (or worse, far worse in this fatphobic culture, it'll make you fat)" is right up there with "Masturbation will make you blind" and "Smoking marijuana will turn you into a junkie."

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Pesticides and organic food
Posted by: Chaimirija on Jan 12, 2009 7:00 AM   
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As a chemist, I can tell you, everything is 'contaminated'. Eating overpriced food may make you feel better, but I doubt you will be lowering your intake of 'chemicals' significantly. Preservatives, btw, if they are free radical scavengers, are actually of benefit...

Also, it really is not what you eat, but the total calories.

In any case, no one should be running around telling others what to do, especially when it comes to some one elses children. This goes for the Le Leche Nazis, too!!!!

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» Yeah damned breastfeeders Posted by: Karina
» To be fair... Posted by: BreeMass
Grandnparents
Posted by: cmaukonen on Jan 12, 2009 7:11 AM   
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When I was growing up, healthy eating is what your parents were for.

Junk food was what your Grandparents were for. Well except my grandmother on my fathers side. She was the original health food person. (I won't say nut.) Her idea of a good breakfast was shredded wheat.

Chris

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» Hear!! Hear!! Posted by: dkm
"Excitotoxins, The Taste That Kills," Russell Blaylock-limits academic opportunities for all
Posted by: plantland on Jan 12, 2009 7:45 AM   
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Michael Jacobson, from the Center for Science in the Public Interest, asked the New York legislature to ban the sale of foods with particular food additives identified in a Lancet article as impairing attention. (MSG, benzoates...)
This is the proper course to take. Now, it is a matter of consumer choice and parenting philosophy, and availibility of kids pocket money and access to stores.

In our progressive state, the school breakfast program, paid for by tax dollars and requiring everyone to get to school earlier in case kids qualify, feeds kids food preserved and made more tasty with the additives that have been implicated in destroying attention span.

Then progressives object to homogenous classes for able advanced children, many of whom do not routinely eat as many additive laced foods, calling it tracking.

How a parent is perceived just doesn't mattter that much. But the number of children sent off the wall by food additives detracts from the tenor of the classroom. Now very little is even offered beyond projects, dioramas , and glorified scrapbooking.

The author of the original article was lucky that her brood went to school with many children who did eat well and organically. The learning environment of the classroom would thus help her children as well.

In addition to the Blaylock tip in the title, googling Lancet and food additives can help responsible parents get access to critical information. Opinions about various oils and cholesterol seems to change with the times, but nasty additives keep their bad reputations and no regulators or reformers go up against the processors or the FDA.

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» I agree - out the fuckers. Posted by: wolfgangmo
Disentagle Food Psychology
Posted by: apistogramma2296 on Jan 12, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Both sides of this discussion are correct, and the fulcrum around which they appear to conflict is our society's mythologizing of food as the psychological talisman of release and refuge. From an early age, children are taught to associate fat and sugar with happy times, where the world's concerns are held at bay, at birthday and holiday parties, at family get-togethers, everywhere. It is only natural that the desire for that place of refuge continues unhealthily throughout life.

To help children (and many if not most adults) learn moderation, we must strip food of its psychological baggage and emotional hangups, and allow it to exist as one of many non-addictive pleasures of this mortal frame.

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leftbank
Posted by: markw4786 on Jan 12, 2009 8:21 AM   
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...and let's let them smoke (in moderation, of course). This will take the mystery and allure away from smoking. Same with cocaine, meth amphetemine. Just a little now and then mind you.
Idiocy! Junk food is just that junk (ie. shit, poison, bad for you, disease causing). One does not moderate the intake of poison. The real problem here is adults don't want to stop eating this crap. If they forbade their kids from eating it, but they kept eating it....
As a society, a country, we must come to terms with reality. Our food industry's main, yea their only concern, is profits. Herbicides pesticides, high fructose corn syrup,coal tar dyes, benzene, formaldehyde, ALL CAUSE DISEASE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. BE A PARENT GOD DANMIT AND SAY NO!!! AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, CLEAN UP YOUR OWN ACT MOM AND DAD AND SET AN EXAMPLE FOR YOUR KIDS! That's what parenting is all about.

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» RE: leftbank Posted by: Shey
Theres junk food and then there is garbage
Posted by: Sunnydayz on Jan 12, 2009 8:55 AM   
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I also think people have lost sight of whats junk food and whats garbage. I would never allow my young child to eat garbage, but I did bake cookies and those were "junk food".

The store bought cookies are garbage, there are ingredients in those I cant even identify. The cookies I bake are made with real food, but have very little nutrition and far too much sugar and fat. Thats junk food.

I also taught my son to cook and he has been helping to prepare his food since he was 4 years old. He is now 17 and is great at making up his own recipes or finding new ones and trying them himself.

This has lead to him enjoying many things I dont personally like or make myself such as sushi, snails or curry dishes. I dont think he has ever felt confined by the way I taught him to eat and in fact has been rather adventurous and explored many different foods, but the key difference is that he DOES KNOW the difference between healthy food, junk food and garbage food.

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False dichotomy
Posted by: a_kestrel on Jan 12, 2009 8:55 AM   
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I don't blame the food nazi parents one little bit for wanting to keep the worst excesses of the food industry away from their children. A lot of these foods have ingredients in them that I don't even consider food and the nutritional consequences are devastating.

However, I also appreciate the viewpoint that food should be fun and liberty should be respected.

Fortunately for us, the health food industry has exploded in the last 10 years. It is now possible to get your junk food junkie cravings with foods that are not full of chemicals, dyes, fats that have been modified on the molecular level, etc.

Yes, you can get chips, cakes, cookies, pop and a plethora of other treats from your local health food store or the natural foods aisle of your major grocery stores. The taste is FAR superior to the name brand crap we all grew up with and the health consequences are minimal comparatively speaking.

I think I'll have my cake and eat it too, thank you very much.

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Before the AGE OF OIL, junk food was a rarity !
Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jan 12, 2009 8:56 AM   
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I found out that most junk food is made out of petroleum after my son did some research. Plus, he cured my addiction to junk food by substituting regular cooking oil with hempseed oil.

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PARENTS VS ADVERTISING AND AVAILABILITY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 12, 2009 9:17 AM   
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It's alot to ask parents to buck the tide in a world of junk food. It comes at us from all directions. Parents can nag their kids, set a good example, but they can't control what's on the TV set and the grocery store layout which revolves around junk food. It's become a part of life, no longer a treat. Truth is that even real food is 'junk', if you read labels. Government controls people but not the corporations that supply the children with what poses a real health threat. I wonder how many 3rd graders have high cholesteral even high blood presure? Schools pry into their private little lives and give all kinds of pills. But they won't touch this one. It's OK to interfere with private matters, but they won't interfere with corporate profits. The medical profession could use some clout here, but they won't. All their preaching about diet is aimed at parents. This is not a fair fight. ANNA

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A DIY Approach
Posted by: nen on Jan 12, 2009 9:23 AM   
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I'm a big fan of making my own food. I'm the primary cook of the family, despite being the husband. There's a weird shift for ya. Now, what this has to do with junk food and consumption-control is that I get to decide exactly what goes into my food.

Most kids love to experiment and when you take the time to actually bake a batch of cookies with their help, they learn so much more than just a straightforward lecture on the evils of junk food. Kids tune out preaching. They hate it. But give them a chance to get their hands dirty, and the pride of being able to say they baked their own cookies, and they're all over it like water on a fish.

What's also good about giving kids the autonomy of making their own food, is that it teaches them about serving sizes. They learn how much they can eat, and in turn how much food they ought to make. It's important not to get frustrated during this trial-and-error process. I mean, how many times have you made too much of something? That's where leftovers come from.

Also, think about buying a box of Oreo cookies. How long would it take? From shelf to checkout, not that long. But baking cookies takes time and effort. The kid's really got to want that junk food in order to stick with it for the whole making process for the payoff at the end. Patience is really hard for some children to learn and this is a great opportunity.

Junk food bought from a store is not only harming our physical health, but it's mucking with the dynamic of the family as well. It's easy. It doesn't require you to engage your child in any kind of group effort to construct. Sure it's alright to have easy food once in awhile as a treat, especially when you're out and about and can't return to the kitchen to make some food. Food Nazis are missing out on a fundamental point here. It's not that you're buying the wrong things, it's that you're not involving your child in the whole food-preparation and decision-making process. If you want them to learn how to make healthy choices, handing them a menu is not the way.

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» RE: A DIY Approach Posted by: notmom
Food Nazi moms?
Posted by: notmom on Jan 12, 2009 10:08 AM   
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OK, I haven't yet read the other comments to this article - nor have I read the comments to the referenced article (although I did read the earlier article - I have time issues!). But as the mother of three grown sons and a (mostly) vegetarian who definitely can't afford to "graze" the organic food offerings, my philosophy on feeding one's children is sort of middle-of-the-road. I grew up without the opportunity to make my own choices on anything more important than whether I'd wear the green shirt or the blue one - which still causes me some major difficulties and trauma. Admittedly, back then we didn't live in the current "safety culture," where everything from the wearing of seat belts to how far from a door one must be to smoke a (tobacco) cigarette is mandated by law. So let's step beyond the kid-food issue for just a moment. As adults (the legal definition of adult is a person exceeding - depending on location - 18 or 21 years of age), do we chafe at these restrictions on our individual freedom of choice? Are we willing to let some nebulous "majority" - through Government - make our choices for us, whether we view those forced choices as good or bad for us and our children? Shades of censorship! This is America, not George Orwell's 1984 - or is it?

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» RE: Food Nazi moms? Posted by: Shey
Fresh Food Addicts
Posted by: lynned2002 on Jan 12, 2009 10:20 AM   
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As a single parent I was always at work, but tried to make up for it by always making their lunches and cooking dinner 5 - 7 nights a week. I stayed away from package foods and kept things plain and simple: a protein (yes, animal or fish), a starch like rice or potato, and a vegetable. I did this consistently, but did not bar them from junk food. They had their fair share of chips and soda. My kids are grown except my youngest who is 16. None of them can stand fast food and don't like junk food at all, except for ice cream. My youngest son bakes and makes cookies and pies for family treats. I say just keep it simple, fresh and consistent and the rest takes care of itself.

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Forbidden fruit theory
Posted by: dkm on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM   
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The basic theory behind the idea that you shouldn't keep your kids from eating junk food sounds good, but it doesn't work so well in practice. My parents didn't get a TV until I left for college. To this day I can't tolerate sitcoms, soaps and other dopey programs and get really irritated when I have to be in the same room with a cop show on TV. The same with junk food.

On the other hand, I used to date a woman, a psychologist, who held the forbidden fruits theory. There were always a couple big bags of chips of one kind or another on the kitchen counter, and while she was slender, her two daughters were porkies in grade school. By then it was probably too late, but if she hadn't indulged their cravings for junk food early on, they would have been a lot better off.

Finally, going from the specific to the general, does the obesity epidemic affect those who have access to junk food or those who don't have access? Look around you and decide. Then tell me about the benefits of providing your kid with junk food.

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Not in the home
Posted by: snowhound on Jan 12, 2009 12:36 PM   
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Most processed foods are filled with chemicals that enhance flavors. There are many processed foods that contain natural ingredients and are less addictive. I think picking the type of snack food is very importatnt. Just because it isn't filled with artificial flavors doesn't mean it has to be boring and tastless.

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I have to agree with "healthy" options needing the support
Posted by: cindroo on Jan 12, 2009 1:28 PM   
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I was fairly shocked at the prominence the original writer got on Alternet with her Nazi story because I did not think she was balanced in what she was saying at all. I found her very blaming and negative. While in our household we make our own "junk food" and I buy carefully chosen chips, etc. my kids know exactly why I do not buy products with artificial colors, MSG, and other chemicals in them - because that is not really FOOD. It's garbage that the corporate food giants find it cheap to produce and load with tricks to make us eat quite harmful ingredients. While trying to make every nutritional calorie count toward something is indeed obsessive and unhealthy, there is a big difference between treats and snacks that are for pleasure and the garbage that is on many store shelves. It should all be about balance. One of the main things my kids know how to make are HOMEMADE chocolate chip cookies - using REAL flour, REAL butter and REAL chocolate - and without any added garbage. We decided never to buy corporate cookies again and they are rarely missed.

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Brenda Kay Winters
Posted by: brenniewinters on Jan 12, 2009 3:06 PM   
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When I was a child, we ate out of a garden and worked in one. We were healthy and even played in sewer water once without becoming ill. The soil was rested and manure and parts of the used vegetables were placed back into the soil. The doctor made house calls if someone was ill. If we did not like a food such as a carrot, it was cooked another way or we were told to eat it or go hungry. Today, I love most all foods.

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Article Image
Posted by: tlCampbell on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM   
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Of anything to comment on, it would be the article's image that made me laugh. Suckling a burger bun... couldn't summarize the mindset of mainstream America any better than that!

As many others have stated though, it's moderation and education rather than absolutes and inflexibility with scare tactics that is what we should aim for in all things, not just what to eat.

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Misinformation abounds
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Jan 12, 2009 4:09 PM   
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I remember sitting in a waiting room a few years back. Across the way sat a woman, about 38, her daughter, maybe 17 with her six-month old daughter. The grandmother was morbidly obese and the daughter was definitely following in her mom's footsteps. After all this time one horrifying bit of conversation stands out in my mind; the daughter, referring to the baby, said "Oh! She just LOVES French Fries!"

As much as this disgusted me, I had to ask myself; are these bad people, or is it that they just don't know any better? Are they morally reprehensible, or merely ignorant, misinformed, poorly educated, victims of a junk food culture run amok?

Yet I don't know what I find more sickening; these apparent bottom-feeding low-lifes, or the nagging holier-than-thou healthy-food fascists who want to impose their narrow, often faddish views on everyone else. Is there some sane middle of the road approach?

It would be great if everybody could read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and "In Defense of Food;" it would be even better if dietary moderation, good judgment and plain old common sense were genetically hot-wired into our psyches. It would be wonderful if everybody could grown up as I did, munching on raw veggies like candy and loving the home-made brown bread my mom baked for us (because we were too poor for that store-bought stuff). Obviously there's a great gulf between what is and what ought to be; perhaps we can begin to bridge that gulf with a little less prejudgment and a bit more compassion and good will.

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» RE: Misinformation abounds Posted by: Comrade Rutherford
Markob
Posted by: MarkOB on Jan 12, 2009 5:49 PM   
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It amazes to me that on a site such as this that mostly people have no clue what the issue is. Yes when I/we grew up I had lots of lollies, and alcohol and smokes (look at me, I'm OK, aren't I?). Yes in Europe they 'obsess' less - they also have far greater consumer protections re additives, GE ingredients than the US or Australia where I am from.
Problem is that food additives and preservatives actually affect how young brains develop, what neural pathways are supported and which ones are blocked, and these changes last a lifetime. The health of these neural pathways impacts how kids relate, their experience of themselves as (dis)connected beings, how they see the world, and determines to a greater or lesser extent their ability to forge meaningful relationships with others and the environment, to feel love.
Briefly, we may save our forests today, but kids loaded up with additives etc, raised by TV and Play Station, unbalanced by healthy nutritious foods, time in nature, will, when their time come, cut that forest down, simply because on a neurological level they will not care or even be aware that they should care. This is what the science says.
It is a bit like the circumcised male saying there is no harm in circumcising his son, when he can never know what he is missing, if anything.
See http://www.smh.com.au search for 'Revealed: why some foods are addictive' for some latest research. Also see Fed Up, a dvd on additives/behaviour. Do the same research on this and other kid related issues as you would if you were buying a new laptop or tennis racquet, don't just settle for whatever is easy cause that is what corporate food depends on - find out why people spend so much on additive and preservative free food. Are they stupid, got too much money, or just nazis?
In Australia it was not so long ago that people thought nothing of exposing children, their own and others, to their cigarette smoke, and objectors were also called nazis. Perhaps some day feeding kids processed food(?) will be viewed in the same light.
In Australia where health care is free, it means that my taxes are paying for other people's poor and uninformed choices, so I am naturally invested in other people being healthy.
And yes, fanatacism sucks, but just cause it makes us uncomfortable does not mean it is completely off track. Do you really think that corporate food people have any interest in your health? O course not, cause as that linked article indicates, they'd rather you were addicted to junk.

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The way I see it
Posted by: floridahank on Jan 12, 2009 6:08 PM   
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Q; Why is junk food is so cheap, despite having so many ingredients?

You’d think that all those added extras plus the costly refining processes and complex preparation procedures would raise their prices. So why can you buy ,Cheez-it, Little Debbie, and Twinkie snacks for a mere buck a box, while all the health foods (in similar categories) that contains one tenth the number of ingredients tend to cost two or three times as much? One big reason is that theadded preservatives in junk food improve shelf life, and stores can keep them on on sale for longer periods of time so their inventory costs are much cheaper.

One insidious real reason that’s never mentioned is that junk food is an effective method of industrial waste disposal. That’s right, instead of throwing away these unpronounceable chemical components that should end up in a waste containers, the chemicals are passed on to you in the ingredient list on your package. Chemists have found a new home for all of them in junk foods, soft drinks, tobacco, and cosmetic products. Waste is normally expensive to dispose of, but with invented demand it becomes another industry's treasure. You’re helping decrease our waste disposal problem by becoming a disposal receptacle for those companies.

You’ll not get much helpful information from the medical industry which makes billions in blood money from patients who have gotten cancer, neurological damage, allergies,
intestinal problems,and other ills from the consumption of these waste products. The low price attracts thrifty consumers, particularly lower class families.

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» RE: The way I see it Posted by: Comrade Rutherford
» Industrial waste disposal??? Posted by: plantland
Why am i shocked by this article (and debate)?
Posted by: RebelMars on Jan 12, 2009 10:01 PM   
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No one has attempted to questions the terms of debate as set forth:

Whose job IS it to teach kids responsible, healthy eating? Should we all be involved in getting our view reflected by what all parents do? Or is it peoples' right in a diverse world to raise their familes with the values that they believe in -- regardless with how close it is to the status quo?

Frankly it's noone else's job to say whether my child eats junk food. If a parent is not harming a child (according to the agreed upon norms of their culture or community) their own value system should be respected. Honestly, Americans are so quick to judge every parent's beliefs and tell strangers what to do with their kids, you'd think it was the U.S. living under the Taliban.

And how is it that homes in Gaza are bombed, civilians dead, under acts of "rooting out terror" -- but if I have strong beliefs and teach them to my child, I am a Nazi? People get upset if you call some fascist a Nazi these days -- but they'll use the word to describe someone just living their own private life with beliefs opposed to yours?

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Oy vey! Editors, read your articles first! The article was NOT about healthy vs. unhealthy
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 12, 2009 10:28 PM   
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It was the abusive mindfrack that the food Nazi mom was using her food choices as a legal pretext for trying to deprive her child of a father!

Good grief, sometimes I honestly wonder what planet I've landed upon... I coulda sworn I plotted my course right... first star to the left and straight on till morning... oh crap, maybe it was the second star to the left.... dammit, dammit, dammit.

And BTW, it's "DaBear" not "deBear".... as in "the" not "of"... although on this planet, anything is certainly possible....

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Why freak out because my kids don't get candy and soda?
Posted by: Comrade Rutherford on Jan 13, 2009 5:32 AM   
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My two kids, 5 and 7, don't get fruit juice or soda. They do get corn chips, straight chips, no chemical chips like Doritos, though. My kids are not obese, even though they watch TV and play computer games. I feel that's simply because they aren't drinking sugar-water (juice and soda).

Our pediatrician pointed out very early on: How many oranges do you have to squeeze to get one glass of OJ? 5? 7? Would you actually eat that may oranges at once? No? Well that's how much fructose is hitting your (or your kid's) blood at once. 7 oranges worth of sugar. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's good for you...

I have seen first-hand how my kid's behavior changes when they have even just white bread! When my youngest was 10 months old I gave her some of my (white flour) burrito wrap and she turned into a monster, acting up and doing exactly what she knew to be wrong. I see that excessive sugar causes tantrums and disobedience.

Our kids have always been praised in public because they are so well behaved. When they ask what out secret is we tell, them, No Sugar! Our anti-child friend says he only likes our kids, because they are the only ones that don't act like out-of-control maniacs. One day he served out ice cream to his guests. In a few minutes he asked us why our normally well behaved kids were suddenly acting out. We said, 'you gave them ice cream'. He realized that we weren't joking when we said sugar causes mania in children.

"when I was a kid back in the 60s, candy and other junk food was considered a rare treat."

Exactly. That's how it is in our house. They do get to have candy on special occasions, usually a couple times a month, when we are at home. My wife and I see obese kids or screaming brats and wonder how much sugar they eat every day.

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Sugar Is Addictive - But Maybe Healthier Habits Can Take Hold
Posted by: Liberty G on Jan 13, 2009 10:39 AM   
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The problem with "balance" and "moderation" is that sugar is addictive to a very large number of people. It tends to create a hypoglycemic effect - first jumping the blood sugar, which then crashes. So, some of have the problem that, once started eating, cravings for more take over.

There's no perfect answer, but many of the suggestions in this forum have been excellent. Natural food, uncomtaminated with additives, whole grain instead of refined flour (which acts in the body exactly like sugar), organic, non-hormone or antibiotic laden - these things can help.

Actually, it may be that the best you can do for your kids is throw them out the door to get healthful exercise as soon as they've eaten enough! It's one of the best "balancers" of bodily functions.

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MIRROR Mirror on the wall, Who is the FATTEST of them all?
Posted by: Ottomatic on Jan 15, 2009 5:40 AM   
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You are what you eat.
Genetically Manipulated (FRANKEN)Foods
Corn Syrup, Hydrogenated Oils and over refined White Flour is POISON.
Obesity Epidemic!
Clogged Arteries!
CANCER!
Oh! My!
AMA
FDA
BU__! SH__!

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