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Fat: What the Experts Don't Know About Obesity

By Maggie Mahar, Health Beat. Posted December 5, 2008.


A recent documentary shows how fat prejudice is keeping even some doctors from understanding obesity.
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This article originally appeared on Health Beat.

The film opens with a fetching redhead puffing away on a treadmill. She's perspiring, but she's smiling gamely into the camera.

"It's not an average workout, but I wasn't an average weight," she explains. "I have to do above and beyond what any of you guys would have to do. I have to try twice as hard, sometimes three times as hard -- just to maintain this level of ... chubbiness."

And she is right. She is chubby. By 21st century mainstream (and magazine) standards of beauty, this young woman is probably 30 pounds overweight. The dimples, the ponytail, the strawberries-and-cream complexion and the undeniable on-camera charisma make her very appealing. But there is no doubt that most physicians would urge her to lose weight. 

Later in the film, we learn that she exercises three hours a day. And when her mother was dying of cancer, this thirtysomething nursed her and learned a great deal about nutrition. Dedicated and determined, she eats healthy meals and sticks to a strict exercise regime.  Why, then, is she "chubby?"

Doctors don't know. That is one of the first things you learn in Fat: What No One is Telling You, a 2007 documentary that is, by turns, entertaining, moving and eye-opening. (The PBS home video, directed by Andrew Fredericks, can be rented on www.netflix.com or purchased on www.amazon.com).

The questions are endless, a narrator tells the audience. "Is it her genes, her childhood, a flaw in her character, stress, sadness, a lost love, processed food, television, seductive advertising, lack of sleep, a government that subsidizes corn, sugar and beef?"

All of the above may well contribute. But taken together, they still don't constitute an answer. Doctors cannot help the vast majority of obese people lose weight -- and keep it off -- because doctors don't know what causes obesity.

"If It Were That Simple…"      

Although many physicians still "believe that obesity is caused by eating too much and not exercising enough, such thinking is too simplistic," says Dr. Robert Lustig, of the Division of Pediatric Endocrinology at the University of California, San Francisco. An expert in the field, he knows that obesity is "a chronic condition." And we don't have a cure.

This is why, even when patients enter medically supervised weight-loss programs and stick with the rules, Lustig explains, 95 percent regain whatever pounds they lose. 

"This is not simply ‘energy in and energy out.' If it were, we would have solved it a long time ago," says Harvard's Dr. Lee Kaplan, who heads the Weight Reduction Program at Massachusetts General Hospital and has established a new, comprehensive basic and clinical research program.

"Obesity doesn't seem like a subtle disease," adds Kaplan, who appears in the documentary. "But it is. If something is off kilter by just 1 percent in your system, that can lead to a 100-pound weight gain. More than 400 genes are involved in weight regulation. And that doesn't include the environmental factors."

Fat goes on to introduce us to a very bright 300-pound 18-year-old who has sought medical help, researched obesity and, with the support of his doctor, is now planning on bariatric surgery (a.k.a. "stomach-stapling"). "They just haven't figured out this obesity thing," he says. "There is something haywire in your body.

"You become depressed when you realize that … you're going to die earlier. And when they bury you, they'll need 20 people to carry you rather than four." 

Obesity is "indescribably complex," he adds. In his own family, it is a mystery: "My twin sister is skinny. I'm not. When we were born, we were the same weight and length.  But many people in the family are overweight, which suggests a genetic component."

Another person in the film was not heavy as a child. "A tomboy, I was always very athletic," this young woman says. And the pictures of her as an adolescent confirm that she was an extremely attractive female athlete. No fat -- just great muscle tone. But then "I moved into the corporate world," she explains.  "And since I've been at Microsoft, I've gained 125 pounds."

As an executive, she travels frequently, and, "If I'm traveling coach, it's really tight. Last time, I was in a center seat, and kept apologizing to the people next to me. They were squished, but very nice about it," she says, still obviously terribly embarrassed by the memory.

Many young athletes move into the corporate world and don't gain 125 pounds. Why would a young woman who loved sports suddenly find herself too heavy to play? This is the conundrum that medicine hasn't cracked. Meanwhile, this Microsoft executive would do anything to lose weight. 


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Maggie Mahar is a fellow at the Century Foundation and the author of Money-Driven Medicine: The Real Reason Health Care Costs So Much (Harper/Collins 2006).

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» No way! Posted by: countingdaisies
Blood type diet is the solution
Posted by: Carts on Dec 5, 2008 1:18 AM   
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Blood type is the critical issue

Blood type O can't tolerate dairy or wheat - they cause weight gain

Type A can't tolerate meat, wheat or dairy - causes weight gain

Type B's and AB also have unique characteristics

See www.dadamo.com

Very simple really!

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» OSA Posted by: BlueTigress
One does not disprove the other
Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 5, 2008 1:20 AM   
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To point out that some people are predestined towards weight and others gain weight for unknown reasons does not negate the extreme health crisis obesity represents in this day and age. Those types have always existed, yes, but adults and children in the U.S. are becoming obese at an alarming rate that is easily correlated to bad diet and loss of physical activity.

Possible reasons for the woman in the example's weight gain?
1. Workplace stress.
2. loss of everyday activity that equals exercise without people realizing it.
3. Marital bliss.
4. workplace snacking. Them little bags of chips really add up.
5. Lunching out with coworkers.
6. Physiological changes in the body.

I had a morbidly obese roommate years ago who had once been very thin. He was a linebacker in school and then joined the Navy and was very fit early on. Turns out that his lack of everyday activity turned those muscles into fat. Then the fat in his neck was strangling him, causing him to wake up hundreds to thousands of times each night (without his being aware). It's called sleep apnea. The body didn't funcion right for him. He didn't eat more than skinny me. He had surgery to remove the neck fat and in six months he was skinny again.

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Obesity
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 5, 2008 2:26 AM   
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This article is all over the place, which is a reflection of the weight loss business as a whole. The most sensible point seems to be that the focus should shift from an obsession with weight to the other benefits of eating well and exercising.

If obesity on average is indeed a function of living in modern society, then the most logical way to reduce your weight is to live a more primitive lifestyle. Simplify your life, eat real food, and get outdoors.

Of course, modern society will continue to chase after shortcuts, magic formulas, convoluted explanations, miracle cures, and those nasty frozen diet meals. That's fine with me, because one of my favorite parts of the outdoor experience is the peace and quiet.

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» RE: Obesity Posted by: mtnprivy
Important books to read
Posted by: starsailor on Dec 5, 2008 5:41 AM   
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...are The Fat Resistance Diet by Leo Galland, Eat Right for your Type by Peter D'Adamo and Detoxify or Die by Sherry Rogers.

Galland explains Leptin Resistance and how obesity is the result of hormonal imbalance that can be restored by eating correctly, not less.

Match Galland's advice with D'Adamo's do's and don't's depending on your blood type, then get informed about the enironmental toxins our modern living has saturated our bodies with. Toxins from plastics, heavy metals and an array of unseen sources of pollution surrounding and within us disrupt the body's hormonal regulation of metabolic, immune and detox systems.

But they can all be restored, once you know how.

Happy learning!

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» RE: Important books to read Posted by: BreeMass
WE NEED TO STOP EATING MEAT...
Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 5, 2008 6:29 AM   
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...that would help alot

Bu, conversely, America's obsession with body image especially among women remains a serious problem

so check out a project I helped on years ago called REAL WOMEN

Thanks!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: Body image? How bout diabetes Posted by: BlueTigress
Never underestimate the power of denial
Posted by: tonequeen on Dec 5, 2008 6:50 AM   
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I have read Alternet's fine articles for years. However, this is the first time I hav ever posted a comment. I feel for the many people in this country that are struggling with obesity. Though I have never been obese I have struggled with fluctuating weight for years. I got it under control when I decided to learn more about food(exercise just wasn't enough anymore). I knew for years that I needed to understand more about food. I just didn't want to badly enough. I just ate what I wanted and thought I could workout enough to cancel out the bad nutrition. AS I got older this didn't work anymore. So I knew I had to finally get more info about the food side of the equation. I bought a great book called "flip the switch". It taught me what I needed to know about food and how my body processes it. It does require you to get real about all the junk that is out there. and you have to have some understanding of evolution and how it shaped the human race (and its relationship to food). That said, I found it very simple to think about how our ancestors ate and moved when I had to make choices about how I ate and moved. It has made weight control the easiest thing for me. Also I am in much better health. you really are what you eat! I know that in the deepest way now. I work with people who are obese (some of them are 100 or more pounds overweight) They all have the same thing in common. DENIAL! They complain that they are constantly dieting and getting no results. yet what I see them doing is eating candy EVERY DAY! Biscuits EVERY DAY! Chicken Mcnuggets EVERY DAY! It is amazing and sad. When I try to share what I know about eating whole foods (fruits, vegitables lean meats, etc in small portions throughout the day accompanied by small spurts of movement(not long sweaty workouts) throughout your day, their eyes glaze over. They don't want to know. They want to keep doing what they are doing and wait for a magic pill to make them thin and beautiful. It is so sad. They have every right to do this. It is their body after all. What is most sad is the passing on of these terrible habits to their children whom they claim they sacrifice everything for. Yet they are setting their kids up for a lifetime of misery(obesity and major health problems). I know I am probably going to be getting many negative responses to this comment.
At this point, I just had to say something. Until these people are willing to really learn about their own body functions and the effect of the kinds of foods they eat, they are not going to get anywhere. I feel for you, but it is time for you to get real! Think about it.

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» Yes, YOU are in denial! Posted by: Gravitas
» Sad and rude Posted by: Bonita
» RE: Yes, YOU are in denial! Posted by: mtnprivy
» RE: Yes, YOU are in denial! Posted by: TheLimit
I Want to Scream!
Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 5, 2008 8:29 AM   
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First, I do want to thank Alternet and the author for attempting to educated and breakdown stereotypes. But as a sociologist who researches this issue, I just want to scream!

"What we do know is that "Obesity is the one disease where your body fights the cure" If Mother Nature keeps undermining weight loss, did it ever occur to the medical profession SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING???Perhaps the real problem is faulty thinking. Here is one way medically "ideal" weights are derived. They take a sample of people in different weight categories and see in which one do the majority of people live the longest. I am not even going to go into the methodological flaws in the research. Lets ask this question. Longevity is a HUMAN value. Who said Mother Nature intended for us all to have exactly the same life span? Biologists tell us that the more diverse a species, the better its chance of survival. What we forget was that in different time periods, it would have been fatter people who lived longer because they had a better resistance to the killers of that time. From what I understand, the individual is nothing in evolution, it is the survival of the species that counts. That is why she will always undermine radical weight loss efforts. We have no idea what the future holds for us, or who will have biological advantage. Differences are a good thing. Lets not forget, in past times homosexuality, menopause and even "rebellious" women were all pathologized too. Sometimes "disease" is simply something that is socially undesirable.

I also applaud the article ending with the importance of exercise. With the advent of national health care, it is important for everyone to know health can improve and costs can go down with exercise alone. Of course the medical industry doesn't want this to be the only solution. Weight obsession funnels billions into BARFMA (BigDiet/Phama.) The "crisis" part of obesity was invented by PHARMA marketers, to insure their cut of the profit. If we could just get people to exercise more, we would see a dramatic improvement in health. In England, there is a nightclub that gets its electricity by the power of the dancers on the floor. I say we built gyms with stationary bikes that send power up the grid. Instead of valuing buns of steal, we could value those that went and did their part consistently regardless of external results. These could be community centers with child care, "stuff" exchanges, even live musicians to get people going. Like almost every other "crisis" we face, if we cut out trying to fashion a solution that allows some special interest group at the top its "take," there is no limit to what we could do.


This article is dead on in that our own prejudices, lack of knowledge, and lack of compassion are certainly exacerbating the issue!

p.s. Many people are braver when they post anonymously. I am not afraid to put a face by my convictions.
www.myspace.com/vortexresister113 - My size acceptance blog
" "fatnsassier My own personal blog

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» Obesity is not a disease! Posted by: countingdaisies
obesity vs. overweight
Posted by: maggiemahar on Dec 5, 2008 9:17 AM   
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Thanks for your comments.

Let me underline one important distinction that sometimes gets lost in discussions of "obestity"--the difference between being "obese" and being "overweight."

I don't think you can put an exact number to obesity--BMI over X, or 5'10" and over Y pounds. The proportion of muscle to fat is very important, as is the amount of stomach fat.

But in general terms, a person is "obsese" when their weight threatens their health, their ability to get around. A football player might be "enormous"--but not obese in the sense that he has a health problem (assuming he eats a healthy diet, and exercises in a variety of ways.)

The people I'm writing about in the post--the people who honestly cannot take it off and keep it off--are obese, not just overweight.

When the medica writes about the "epdidemic of obesity" in our society, they are usually writing about what shoudl be called "The Epidemic of Overweight." Thanks to a sedentary lifestyle, junk food, etc. a growing number of Americans are 20, ,30, 40 pounds overweight. Eight-year-olds can be 25 pounds overweight.

Most of these people could lose weight through a combination of a better diet and exercise.
Many of them are poor and would greatly benefit from public investments in building safe playgrounds and parks in very poor neighborhoods, gymns and playgrounds in public schools, gymn teachers and healthy nutirtiious free breakfasts and lunches in poor schools.

These investments could create jobs--at a time when we need them--while also adding to the health and wealth of the nation.

The truly obese have a different problem that is much harder to solve. They need to get as much exercise as possible; they'll feel better and will be healthier even if they don't lose weight. In the meantime, they have to wait for scientific reserach to reach a better understanding of why some bodies fight weight loss so fiercely. Finally, they need society to understand that bodies simply come in different shapes and sizes.

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» Thank you! Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: obesity vs. overweight Posted by: westomoon
Overlooked Thyroid problems
Posted by: harpy on Dec 5, 2008 9:24 AM   
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can cause weight gain. Also, those pesky carbs cause serious problems that most "diets" don't address. Even whole grains are not helpful for some people who just can't handle the grains, or more specifically, the gluten. Most thyroid tests are too narrow and may show normal when it's not normal for an individual.

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Brand New Concept in Weight Loss
Posted by: topview on Dec 5, 2008 10:04 AM   
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If you want to lose weight and keep it off, you need to read labels and stop eating all the garbage, Corporations have added to the food source for profit only.

Farming has been taken over by corporations that cut corners and could care less about the nourishment of the food, the soils have been depleted of minerals and nutrients, so they just put chemical fertilizers and pesticides in the soil and that makes the food very bland.


We have to return to what nature provides us and has for centuries. That is all organic with all the minerals and nutrients our cellular system requires, that way you get the balance you need and the liver is not over worked and forced to store junk in fat and make more fat to store it all in.

The oceans and Sea of the world now hold all the food source we need for complete balance, and we will have to look for our future food source there if we want what nature intended to balance our bodies nutrition.

There is a new concept in weight loss that seems to be working very well now for very obese people, that is better then Gastric bypass surgery.
It is a capsule you take with a glass of water 1/2 to 1 hr before eating a meal that swells up in your stomach and the stomach then tells your brain you are full with little food intake.
They also have a packet with all the minerals and nutrient rich you drink for breakfast then at lunch and dinner you take the capsule and drink the glass of water and then you don't eat very much at those meals.
People are losing about a pound a day on this product.
Here is where you can find out about it
o3world here I think it is a very good thing for the people that need it.

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Sympathy for the obese
Posted by: Tim V on Dec 5, 2008 10:44 AM   
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I was happy to see that a friend of my wife was the president of his high school class in spite of being fat. A worker in a local fast food restaurant we know is morbidly obese, but seems like a lovely woman. I hope she finds a way to loose all the weight, but I'd rush to her defense if someone said "oink oink" or called her "fatso". It's very hard to believe this woman could will herself to become thin by diet and exercise - she would have done so a long time ago if she could have. However, it is wrong to give her flak even if it were somehow shown that her obesity is due to poor dietary restraint - her obesity in and of itself is more than adequate punishment for any weakness of character that may be the cause.

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» RE: Sympathy for the obese Posted by: westomoon
eml256
Posted by: anonymous46 on Dec 5, 2008 12:54 PM   
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Picture accompanying the advertisement for this article makes me wonder if the guy is taking a statin drug. i have heard of "lipitor belly", the accumulation of belly fat attributed to taking Lipitor. Many individuals who posted on a web site "Rx drugs" attributed this occurrance to the drug.

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» RE: eml256 Posted by: TheLimit
Human behavior, objectivity, and materials/energy balances.
Posted by: hiryuu75 on Dec 5, 2008 1:28 PM   
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As an engineer, I've got a bit of a bone to pick with the viewpoint that it's not "energy in, energy out" in terms of weight loss/gain. Frankly, it has to be that simple, since the body simply cannot manufacture physical material (fat, in this case) out of nothing. I will readily concede that we may not fully understand the parameters by which food is processed and energy expended in the body, and I will also agree that people's ability to burn or store energy will vary greatly from person to person. If all other conditions are kept the same - amount of work (as defined in physics) performed, for example - and food intake is continually decreased, eventually the balance tips toward weight loss.

It's that latter part that becomes the difficulty for so many people - maintaining a serious, consistent exercise regimen is not easy, particularly if one happens to be decreasing food intake (and therefore readily-available energy) at the same time. It's hard. It's really hard. I say that as someone who doesn't struggle with weight, so I do have some understanding how much harder it is for someone who is actively trying to come down from being overweight.

I believe that one of the biggest challenges in understanding any issue that involves "hot-button" human behaviors - things that come with stigma, prejudice, or negative identity aspects - is that people don't deal well with cognitive dissonance. When it comes to self-assessment, understanding, and judgment, people are often at odds with accepting what is with what they wish. Ask anyone who's done a serious study of sexually-transmitted diseases, and they'll tell you that a lack of honesty on the part of the subject is a challenge. People don't want to admit to themselves things that come with social consequences, negative images, or potentially being judged by themselves or others. As a result, they fail to be honest and objective, pushing themselves into deliberate ignorance through denial. Likewise, they sometimes indulge in behaviors that carry risk and/or negative consequences, but don't want to judge themselves (nor be judged) for having done so, and so they convince themselves quite effectively that they never did anything "bad."

The point there is that I believe obesity is an area of understanding that is similarly affected. Some of the choices to be made in weight-loss and weight-management are unpleasant. Some of the options are really unpalatable. Some of the behaviors require a lot of work and self-control, sometimes to a near-obsessive level. When we cave into preferred behavior - eating unhealthy foods, eating too much food, not maintaining a physical activity regimen - we might rationalize it, or excuse it, or "pretend" it didn't happen. If we fail to be honest with ourselves, doesn't it stand to reason that we would fail to be honest with a health care professional, or with a clinician who's studying the issue? When someone asks us "did you stick to your prescribed diet?" and we haven't even been honest with ourselves about it (so that we can maintain the idealized self-image), doesn't it stand to reason we won't be honest with them, either?

I want the readers (those who've made it this far, anyway) to understand that this is not a blanket statement about what happens in every case of obesity. I don't pretend that it even involves a majority of cases. I do think it happens often enough that it makes understanding obesity and weight-loss more challenging and complex, simply because the dataset becomes distorted due to the nature of human psychology, and means that our lessons are that much more hard-won.

(On a personal note, and in my own defense, lest some readers cry for my head for my prejudices and insensitivities, my wife and previous partners can vouch for my belief that the most beautiful women are Rubinesque.)

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Poor Maggie Mahar
Posted by: westomoon on Dec 5, 2008 2:13 PM   
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She keeps writing these excellent articles, demonstrating the ways in which conventional medical wisdom is wrong, and the role of the medical-profit sector in shaping that erroneous conventional wisdom. And here at AlterNet, we don't pay attention to a damn word she says.

She wrote a great article several months ago about the extensively-proven fact that there is no correlation between high cholesterol and heart disease. AlterNet readers' comments? Tips for reducing cholesterol. People couldn't turn off their Big-Pharma "cholesterol will kill you" programming even long enough to notice that she'd made a radically different point.

Same thing here -- a great article indicating that there is a real difference between obesity and garden-variety overweight, and that they are both different from ill-health. What's our response? Weight-loss tips and diet gurus, with one shining exception -- fatnsassy girl, you rock!.

Funny, while I was reading this, I was making bets with myself as to how many of the comments would be hysterical rejections of the concept that being fat could be okay. Turns out I was overestimating us AlterNet readers -- most of us skipped the step of disagreeing and went straight back into programmed denial. It's truly disheartening.

[Maggie Mahar -- See, I told you I was a serious fan. I still think Dr. Emmanuel skunked you. . . (grinning) If he's anything like his brother, I can understand that. But it was a naive and myopic policy suggestion, IM-enduring-O.]

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» APOLOGIES! Posted by: westomoon
Poor Maggie Mahar
Posted by: westomoon on Dec 5, 2008 2:13 PM   
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She keeps writing these excellent articles, demonstrating the ways in which conventional medical wisdom is wrong, and the role of the medical-profit sector in shaping that erroneous conventional wisdom. And here at AlterNet, we don't pay attention to a damn word she says.

She wrote a great article several months ago about the extensively-proven fact that there is no correlation between high cholesterol and heart disease. AlterNet readers' comments? Tips for reducing cholesterol. People couldn't turn off their Big-Pharma "cholesterol will kill you" programming even long enough to notice that she'd made a radically different point.

Same thing here -- a great article indicating that there is a real difference between obesity and garden-variety overweight, and that they are both different from ill-health. What's our response? Weight-loss tips and diet gurus, with one shining exception -- fatnsassy girl, you rock!.

Funny, while I was reading this, I was making bets with myself as to how many of the comments would be hysterical rejections of the concept that being fat could be okay. Turns out I was overestimating us AlterNet readers -- most of us skipped the step of disagreeing and went straight back into programmed denial. It's truly disheartening.

[Maggie Mahar -- See, I told you I was a serious fan. I still think Dr. Emmanuel skunked you. . . (grinning) If he's anything like his brother, I can understand that. But it was a naive and myopic policy suggestion, IM-enduring-O.]

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Poor Maggie Mahar
Posted by: westomoon on Dec 5, 2008 2:13 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She keeps writing these excellent articles, demonstrating the ways in which conventional medical wisdom is wrong, and the role of the medical-profit sector in shaping that erroneous conventional wisdom. And here at AlterNet, we don't pay attention to a damn word she says.

She wrote a great article several months ago about the extensively-proven fact that there is no correlation between high cholesterol and heart disease. AlterNet readers' comments? Tips for reducing cholesterol. People couldn't turn off their Big-Pharma "cholesterol will kill you" programming even long enough to notice that she'd made a radically different point.

Same thing here -- a great article indicating that there is a real difference between obesity and garden-variety overweight, and that they are both different from ill-health. What's our response? Weight-loss tips and diet gurus, with one shining exception -- fatnsassy girl, you rock!.

Funny, while I was reading this, I was making bets with myself as to how many of the comments would be hysterical rejections of the concept that being fat could be okay. Turns out I was overestimating us AlterNet readers -- most of us skipped the step of disagreeing and went straight back into programmed denial. It's truly disheartening.

[Maggie Mahar -- See, I told you I was a serious fan. I still think Dr. Emmanuel skunked you. . . (grinning) If he's anything like his brother, I can understand that. But it was a naive and myopic policy suggestion, IM-enduring-O.]

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» APOLOGIES! Posted by: westomoon
the obvious
Posted by: Jim McCulloch on Dec 5, 2008 2:16 PM   
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The author doesn't really pay much attention to the really, really obvious, which is, fast food and junk food. If you look at crowd photographs in America from the beginning of photography until the mid 1960s, you cannot but be struck by the fact that Americans for the most part were what we would now call skinny.
Our genetics have not changed. Our morals have not changed. Our will-power has not changed. Only one thing has changed (at least wrt this problem) and that is the overwhelming prevalence of fast food and junk food. What we now have is an industrialized, "food-science" flavor-enhanced junk-food and fast-food eating system.

Americans have always had plenty to eat. Plenty to eat is not the problem. Even during the great depression, my parents and grandparents had plenty to eat. But they cooked and ate real food.

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» RE: the obvious Posted by: TheLimit
Slender To Convex
Posted by: QQOblivion on Dec 5, 2008 3:44 PM   
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I think I should add my two cents, since I had anorexia nervosa as a teenager, and now, at 42, I have a BMI of 30-point-something, just barely obese.

Everybody, STOP STOP STOP blaming the obese and overweight for their condition!
Weight gain, as I know first hand, is NOT a matter of will-power or lack of it. And exercise doesn't always help either, as I personally know.
Our society acts as if fat people WANT to be that way. No one I know wants to be fat. But should we want to be skinny either? That too can't be the best for our health.

I almost died when I had anorexia. And the experience triggered hallucinations and psychosis in me. I know that the only reason I was "successful" with the weight loss then was that I was a growing boy at the time. My calorie intake need to be relatively high to maintain my weight.
But now I am on antidepressants, and they have the unfortunate side effect of weight gain. Funny how my doctor who prescribed me the meds (and who switched me off a drug with fewer such side effects) blames me for the weight gain. (And, yes, despite what he thinks, I DO exercise regularly!)

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» Sympathy Posted by: westomoon
Evolution
Posted by: Artkansas on Dec 5, 2008 8:53 PM   
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What I haven't heard anything about is the fact that within a few generations, we may well have a population of very, very heavy yet very fit people on this planet. What will the medicos say then?

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inflamation and pH
Posted by: sunspot on Dec 6, 2008 6:46 AM   
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The elephant under the carpet is pH. Chronic acidosis leads to pounds and pounds of extra fat. Read Robert O. Young: The pH Miracle, or Felicia Kliment: The Acid-Alkaline Balance Diet. Fat protects the organs from acids, just as cholesterol protects the arteries from acids in the blood. Get an alkaline water machine, drink 3-4 liters a day, and lose 10 lbs/month. Eat a more alkaline diet and lose even more. I'm not an MD or a nutritionist, but the pH information and the blood type diet information works in our household. We're thin & fairly healthy.

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Obesity Myth
Posted by: GSC on Dec 6, 2008 9:59 AM   
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It seems that using genetics, stress and other issues to explain obesity is a red herring. These issues are relevant. But the over-riding issue is diet. I once asked a doctor if some people are bound to be overweight regardless of how much they ate. His callous remark was, did you ever see a fat person in a concentration camp? This obviously is extremely insensitive. However, it also seems logical. Weight is a simple physics equation. If you take in less calories than you burn up, you will lose weight over time. It seems the only exception to this rule would be death. Of course some people lose weight much more slowly than others, due to genetics, slower metabolism, stress and other factors.

Two excellent books on nutrition, the China Study and Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, show through science and research that people who eat only plant based foods, no to little oils, beans, fruit, vegetables and whole grains have very little heart disease ( the number one killer in the US), type two diabetes and many other diseases. And they are virtually never overweight, even though they don't count calories or eat less than they want.

Obesity results from eating animal products, oils and refined sugars and grains. More importantly, it results from inner turmoil that causes some people to use food as a drug. Most if not all overweight people know they should eat less. But many are not able to. Why? Partly because something about our society makes many people feel empty and inadequate. Many turn to overeating and other compulsive behaviors to numb the pain they feel. Overeating is self medicating.

There are no easy answers. But two huge parts to reversing the rapidly growing obesity rate in children and adults are: 1. follow the diet in the China Study and PRHD; and 2. follow your heart. Don't listen to the overwhelming message we see in media and commercials that says you're not good, attractive, wealthy, etc enough. Inner pain comes from not aligning your mind with your heart. The heart is the boss. If you figure out what you deeply want to do with your life, then do it, much of the inner suffering goes away. Food and other compulsive behaviors are not longer needed to suppress it.

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doctors and fat people
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Dec 6, 2008 11:39 AM   
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My friend, who had been fat her entire life, possibly as a reaction to childhood abuse, developed a severe pain in her leg. She had no medical insurance, so she dealt with the pain by taking lots of Ibuprofen and sitting in an overstuffed chair. When the pain got really bad, she went to several doctors who told her the pain in her leg was because she was fat. (Remember, she'd always been fat!) Anyway, by the time the leg would no longer work and she couldn't stand, the doctors discovered she had cancer. She died two weeks later. I suppose you could say being fat killed her because the doctors wouldn't consider any other possibility until it was too late. As for me, I am overweight. The doctors told me losing weight would help my severe arthritis, so I lost 40 pounds. My arthritis is worse.

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» doctors and fat people Posted by: mizpearl
Massive food intake and. Obesity study.
Posted by: ciccio on Dec 6, 2008 2:51 PM   
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I remember with horror the photographs of the concentration camp survivors, skin and bone. That at least proves that food intake is very closely related to obesity, it takes a certain amount of calories to produce a certain amount of fat, fat does not mysteriously materialize out of nothing.It never ceases to amaze me that whenever I go on a bus or subway, there are at least a dozen people eating and drinking something or the other. That I suspect is the cause of obesity, three square meals a day and three good snacks inbetween.

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Looks vs. fitness
Posted by: Pissed Off Woman on Dec 7, 2008 10:27 AM   
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Hi Maggie Mahar! EXCELLENT article, very informative. I hope more doctors will take its message to heart.

Myself, I'm pretty sure my genes are not "thrifty", as I've never been clinically overweight. Being fairly tall (5'9) means I have some leeway as far as looking fat goes, as long as I'm not wearing a bikini. In my life, I've had four types of eating/exercise patterns:

1) Eating as much as I wanted (which is often a LOT), having a balanced diet of meats, pasta and veggies, doing weight lifting and abdominal exercises sporadically, playing lots of sports (especially basketball), going to the beach nearly every day in the summer. This is the pattern I grew up with. It gives me a weight of about 150lbs, a body that isn't super-model bikini-perfect but is thin overall, plenty of strength and energy, and the good feeling about myself that can only come from kicking guys' asses at b-ball.

2) Feasting-fasting lifestyle--the result of a period of real poverty in my life. Carb-heavy diet, with days of bingeing on free or cheap food followed by days of eating nothing or next to nothing. Barely any exercise, although I did do a decent amount of walking around. I weighed aroung 154lbs and felt pretty lousy, as you can imagine.

3) Binge eating--due primarily to depression. Carb-heavy diet with some meat and dairy, not much in the way of veggies. Practically zero exercise. Weight around 161lbs, feeling of weakness and discomfort with the roll of fat around my waist, and sleeplessness.

4) Dieting and exercise plan--small portions throughout the day with less calories overall, protein-heavy diet, disciplined regular program of abdominal exercise and weight training. Weight around 145lbs. Beautiful "bikini body". Feelings of hunger, restless energy that made it extremely hard to get to sleep.

The moral to this story? Looks and health aren't always strictly correlated. Yeah, if you eat unhealthy and don't exercise, you'll look and feel like crap--but then again, if you're doing that it's probably because you already feel like crap, and that won't be solved by diet and exercise alone. If you eat and exercise in a super-discliplined way, you may look a lot better, but sooner or later you'll get tired of the constant discipline and go back to your old habits. If you eat a balanced diet and don't worry too much about exact portions, and find a way to stay active that actually makes you happy, you might end up thin or you might end up fat, but either way, you'll feel much healthier and stronger.

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One thing this article/movie didn't discuss...
Posted by: AhavahbatSarah on Dec 7, 2008 4:46 PM   
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...is that fact that almost all wheat and corn products are now genetically modified. These are not the foods that our ancestors evolved with, and who knows what kind of haywire side effects the altered chemistry causes in our systems. Notice that diets that actually work almost always eliminate or greatly reduce wheat and corn (high carbs) and some eliminate meat and dairy from non-organic sources (since the cows who eat the wheat and corn franken-foods also end up very fat and chemically imbalanced). It's no coincidence. So going organic may do far more good than going on any diet. Eliminate the pesticides, herbicides, franken-genes from incompatible species, and so on and your biochemical processes should be greatly improved.

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» Agreed. Posted by: NZ_brian
So why is it that women must dress thin and skimpy but if men do it, they're "gay" ?
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 8, 2008 8:39 AM   
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At least that explains why men are obese. After all, if you're gonna sell them baggy shit to wear while expecting women to look slim and sexy, then of course you're promoting more obesity.

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Getting rid of fat.
Posted by: MsVeganee on Dec 8, 2008 6:40 PM   
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To lose weight, just eat natural foods that have fiber, enzymes, vitamins and minerals, food that grows from the ground. No cooked or human made foods.

The Enzyme Factor book by the eminent Hiromi Shinya, MD, developer in the field of colonoscopic surgery. He performed the first non-invasive colon surgery, using his own invention of the colonoscope, and has examined and treated over 300,000 intestinal tracks. Cured colon cancer, and a lot of those cured have been back to see him spaning over 50 years, as completely healthy people.
The following is excerpts from the easy to read from his book; "The basic rule of a good diet is to eat fresh food, preferably organic. Fresh things are better because the fresher the food, the more enzymes they contain. These enzymes can later be transformed into some of the 3,000 enzymes the body needs to function.Enzymes control all human life and life energy. Even the acts of waking up and falling asleep involve enzymes. If we go to sleep thinking what time we want to wake up the next day, we will often wake up the next morning around that time. This can be attributed to enzymes since the act of thinking itself is nothing more than enzymes working in the brain."
He also recommends enemas with coffee, minerals and lactobacillus to people who have digestive problems. A lot of women with breast cancer are now having their colon examined.

There is an old adage; Death Begins in the Colon! Now thats something to mulle over.

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FINALLY A WRITER THAT MAKES SENSE. WE KEEP BLAMING THE VICTIM. WE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Dec 8, 2008 8:30 PM   
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just buried an old family friend. This lady was big for a life time. She variously fought it for a lifetime. As her health failed and it was clear she was going to die she finally began to lose weight. In her last days she looked down at herself and asked why she couldn't have been this way for a lifetime.

Heavy people are victims. Now they are being used politically. We shouldn't provide national health because we have lazy fat people who will be an unconsionable drag on our heath care system. Right wing political leaders really are sorry members of the human race. No communist was ever worse. Stalin was a Bolshevik dictator not a communist. Facists were awful. Right wing thinkers are truly evil.

At no point do right wingers ever think of anything but themselves. This is deeply antipatriotic. They won't work for the common good. Until men will work for the common good our nation is doomed. We actually have a large number of churches that fight working for the common good. They are sinners. They are children of the devil. I certainly hope that we are able to make these people really angry. They are nasty.

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Too little, too late.
Posted by: NZ_brian on Dec 10, 2008 2:16 PM   
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The way I see it, the cause of obesity could more realistically expressed as 'causes.'

You've got compulsive/addictive over-eating.

You've got the genetic component which suggests that certain individuals are more predisposed to the above.

You've got lifestlye and the eating habits/weight of those around you.

You've got media pressure and the weight [excuse the pun] of public opinion.

Coming from a New Zealander, where the 'obesity epidemic' is still in relative infancy compared to the US and UK, and isn't recognised as a problematic disease caused by anything except overeating and poor lifystyle, there need to be urgent changes made to plateau the trend of growing weight.

One of these years it'll be an election issue.

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Vitamin D deficiency plays a role in obesity
Posted by: Ms. Sardines on Dec 15, 2008 12:20 PM   
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100 words about D deficiency, followed by citations on the relationship of D to obesity:

• NIH says 8 of 10 Americans are D-deficient
• D prevents/alleviates: asthma, cancer, diabetes, fibromyalgia, flu, heart disease, hypertension, MS, obesity, TB, ADD, depression, schizophrenia.
• The FDA recommends 400 IU, but it should be 2000+ IU (Overdoses only occur at 10,000 IU /day.)
• D deficiency wrecks government and family budgets.

We’re deficient from eating fish less, using more sunscreen. The more melanin in skin, the less D a person makes from sunlight, which explains why students of color lag in reading and math. Close the Achievement Gap, give kids D!

Read more at:
goodschoolfood.org
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Google searches for WEIGHT LOSS
Vitamin D Deficiency: A Common Cause of Obesity

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/researchObesity.shtml

footnotes 61 to 65 at:
westonaprice.org, go to their vitamin D articles
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Another neglected nutritional factor in obesity: omega-3 fatty acids. Google these:

"Scientists probe omega-3 DHA as anti-obesity agent."

"Anti-obesity research exercises the good oil"

"The Effects Of Omega 3 Fatty Acids On Losing Weight And Gaining Weight"

"Recent Study Reinforces the Benefits of Omega-3 for Weight Control"

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Obesity Consequences
Posted by: quiact on Dec 20, 2008 4:51 PM   
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Regarding Obesity:
One solution beneficial in many cases of morbid obesity is what is known as gastric bypass surgery. This is a type of bariatric surgery that essentially reduces the volume of the human stomach in order to correct and treat morbid obesity by surgical re-construction of the stomach and small intestine. Morbid obesity is defined as one who has a body mass index of 30 kg/m or greater, and this surgery, along with the three other types of surgery for morbid obesity, should be considered a last resort after all other methods to reduce the patient’s weight have chronically failed. There are three surgical variations of gastric bypass surgery, and one is chosen by the surgeon based on their experience and success from the variation they will utilize. Over 200,000 gastric bypass surgeries are performed each year, and this surgery being performed continues to progress as a suitable option for the morbidly obese. There is evidence that this surgery is particularly beneficial for those obese patients that have non-insulin dependent Diabetes Mellitus as well.
Morbid obesity greatly affects the health of the patient in a very negative way. It has about 10 co-morbidities that can develop if the situation is not corrected. Some if not most of these co-morbidities are life-threatening. So the surgery to correct morbid obesity greatly reduces the co-morbidities associated with this type of obesity problem. Two percent of those who undergo this surgery die as a result from about a half a dozen complications that could occur. However, the surgery reduces the mortality of the patient by 40 percent or so, yet this percentage is debatable due to conflicting clinical studies.
Age of the patient should be taken into consideration, as to whether or not the risks of this surgery outweigh any potential benefits for the patient who may have existing co-morbidities that have already caused physiological damage to the patient. Also what should be determined by the surgeon is the amount of safety, effectiveness, and rationale for a particular patient regarding those patients who are elderly, for example.
If a person or a doctor is considering this type of surgery, there is a website dedicated to bariatric surgery, which is: www.asmbs.org,

Dan Abshear

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