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Health & Wellness

Overworked, Vacation-Starved America Ranks #1 in Depression, Mental Health Problems

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted November 13, 2008.


U.S. workers' lives are beginning to look a lot like they did 100 years ago when 14-hour days were the norm.
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Jack Torrance, Jack Nicholson's character in the 1980 film The Shining, should get credit for popularizing (and making terrifying) a proverb that dates as far back as the mid-1600s: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

Nicholson's character sure looked like he could have used a vacation before his psyche disintegrated and he went on a murderous rampage.

In the real world, the danger isn't that we'll start obsessively and repeatedly typing proverbs at the Overlook Hotel before taking an ax to the door (one would hope), but that our country's hard-working denizens will keep getting sicker, sadder, less productive and more miserable.

Medical and poll-based evidence indicates that we seriously need relief. Work-related stress can lead to sudden heart attacks, obesity, anxiety and depression. A World Health Organization and Harvard Medical School study last year put the United States at the top of the list of depressed (or otherwise mentally disordered) countries, while the Gallup Daily Happiness-Stress Index finds that the only consistent upswing in mood occur when Americans get some time off on the weekends or holidays.

As John de Graaf, executive director of the Seattle-based advocacy group Take Back Your Time, puts it, Americans are "time-starved and vacation-starved."

Americans put in more hours at work than any other nation, surpassing even the workaholic Japanese. We average nine more weeks of labor per year than our working counterparts in Western Europe, who get at least 20 paid days of vacation each year.

Finland tops the list of vacation-supporting industrialized nations with 30 paid vacation days per year after the first year of work, plus 14 paid national holidays, according to a July 2007 report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research. (This is in addition to the possibility that the country might soon grant "love holidays" so that some couples can rekindle passions and have kids.)

Canada and Japan are near the bottom of that list, with a legal minimum of 10 vacation days, while the United States has the dubious distinction of being the only industrialized nation that does not have a mandatory minimum of vacation time. In fact, out of the world's 195 independent countries, 137 have some kind of vacation/annual leave legislation in place.

Each year, de Graaf and his U.S. and Canadian colleagues work to get the word out about their annual celebration, Take Back Your Time Day, which occurs Oct. 24.

De Graaf, an independent filmmaker with a long, impressive list of social consciousness-raising documentaries under his belt -- including the popular PBS documentaries Affluenza and Escape from Affluenza -- explains that he started Take Back Your Time to "challenge the epidemic of overwork, over-scheduling and time-famine that now threatens our health, our families and relationships, our communities and our environment."

De Graaf says that the Obama camp responded with "definite interest," although he can't yet share specifics. De Graaf considers time-famine -- and the need for mandatory vacation time for all Americans -- a bipartisan issue, although he says he's aware that Republicans are more likely to object to national legislation.

Even some Democrats, he admits, think he is over-dramatizing the situation: Aren't there more pressing social justice issues for us to worry about? Poverty, healthcare and ethnic/gender disparities, to name a few?

"I've been told by a few prominent progressive activists that, while they're personally supportive of what we're trying to accomplish, they're not willing to get involved because this is really a white, middle-class issue," he says. " 'You couldn't be more wrong,' is what I tell them."

In July, Take Back Your Time released its findings from a scientific telephone sample of more than 1,000 U.S. adults. The poll revealed that more than two-thirds (69 percent) of Americans would support the passage of a paid vacation law. Most enthusiastic about vacation-time-legislation were people under 35 (83 percent); African Americans (89 percent); Latinos (82 percent); people earning low incomes (82 percent); women (75 percent, versus 63 percent for men); and families with children (74 percent).


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Silja J.A. Talvi is an investigative journalist and the author of Women Behind Bars: The Crisis of Women in the U.S. Prison System (Seal Press: 2007). Her work has already appeared in many book anthologies, including It's So You (Seal Press, 2007), Prison Nation (Routledge: 2005), Prison Profiteers (The New Press: 2008), and Body Outlaws (Seal Press: 2004). She is a senior editor at In These Times.

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Productivity
Posted by: maxfactor on Nov 13, 2008 2:34 AM   
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The US, OECD concluded, ranks below France in productivity. US citizens are by far the most shortlived, short in height, overweight and generally ill healthed of all industrial nations.
Whenever I pay a visit to your country - I am amazed at how unhealty looking and short the people are. Aldous Huxley`s Brave new world comes to mind. Far to many Epsylons.

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Americans being breed to be a mongrol race
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 13, 2008 3:29 AM   
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of corporate drones. Unhealthy, braindead, obedient, dimwitted: that's what you see when you visit the US. And it is true: while a few Americans are physically impressive, most aren't.

It is the puffy faces, the jowels, the bags under the eyes, the waist lines, the shapeless butts, and the short stature.

You need to change your priorities: put being healthy and happy at the centre, and your employer at the periphery. Get balanced and centered. And take holiday for christ sakes. Go and learn about another culture or country. A place where there isn't Mcdonalds. You will find other people have a better attitude to life and work.

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Bruce
Posted by: BJB on Nov 13, 2008 3:47 AM   
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I remember, a couple of years ago, when Bush, at a public function, complimented a woman who was holding down 2 jobs to make ends meet.
He said "only in America," as if this was a desirable way to spend one's life. The rulers want the rest of us to work ourselves to death.
It increases their own profits and keeps us under control and out of "trouble."

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» Common attitude Posted by: Lilykins
data would help the case
Posted by: kiel on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 AM   
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I am fully supportive of a call for a humane, nation-wide paid-vacation law. What would help the case for such a policy tremendously would be a study of the economic benefits: How much would the mandated vacation add to the economy? I'm assuming that it would (a huge boost to travel/leisure industries and increased employee satsifaction and productivity), but without some convincing data, it would be a hard sell to Congress (who, btw, have a good bit of scheduled vacation time).

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» RE: data would help the case Posted by: cocacolocao
The Root Cause of American Depression
Posted by: DrGeneNelson on Nov 13, 2008 5:06 AM   
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The United States takes in the greatest number of immigrants of any nation on Earth. It takes more in than the next five nations combined.

The resultant labor gluts at all skill levels make it much easier for management to implement "disposable worker" norms where workers that are "too old" or "not productive enough" have their jobs cut. The economic elite are the beneficiaries of this callousness.

This climate leads to incredible insecurity. Americans are afraid to use the vacation they have earned.

Former banker (and Fed Chairman) Alan Greenspan lauded in three speeches in 2000 the ease with which an American may be separated from their job. Use the google search: "labor displacement" site:federalreserve.gov

It is time for the U.S. to return to its immigration tradition of about 200,000 admissions per year, rather than our current rate of about ten times this value. See Roy Beck's short YouTube video: Our Immigration Tradition

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Maybe if people would quit acting so self-deluded into thinking they could fly like Peter Pan,
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 13, 2008 5:19 AM   
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and pay attention to nailing the corrupt pols and business leaders on all levels, some justice would ensue. See, in this dysfunctional country, it's somehow more important to foam at the mouth about paying their taxes than it is about working longer beyond reasonable means for less pay. Better to foam at the mouth about paying one's $1000 tax bill than it is to be disgusted at being forced to take an unwarrented $5000 paycut, isn't it?

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Here's a point not brought up in the article
Posted by: bubbleburster04 on Nov 13, 2008 5:19 AM   
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but just as much of a problem.

Many employees of large corporations DO have multiple weeks per year of paid vacation but CAN NOT take them due to understaffing and the fact that there is no one to cover the vital functions they are responsible for while they vacation.

I myself have FIVE WEEKS paid time off per year and yet was able to take only one week of consecutive days off this year and that was nearly impossible and involved LOOOOONG days (12 hours) for several days before and after the vacation trying to prepare my work for someone else to do and then fix their mistakes when I returned. It was also the first consecutive five days vacation I'd taken in three years.

The rest of my time off was taken piecemeal, a half day here a day there, which was some relief, but not really, because I usually ended up spending the time doing chores around the house instead of relaxing in some manner. Not to mention the extra time working when I return from one day off doing two days work to catch up.

The other nefarious policy is that you "use it or lose it". I have co-workers who have 3 - 4 weeks of time left to use between now and Dec. 31st or they don't get it. And don't get paid for it either. This is robbery !

The large corporations are cut so close to the bone on personnel in the ranks that there simply aren't enough employees to cover for any time off and no time to train them due to heavy workloads unless you and a co-worker want to work 80 hour weeks for several months.

The complexity of the financial and management systems in place keeps growing, with all of the additional reporting regulations, new system implementations every couple years, employee training and testing, etc., to the point where it's all one can do to keep one's head above water. Training a co-worker to understand the extremely complex and detailed job you do or finding a time where nothing critical is due and no one else is vying for that week off is near impossible.

The bosses mouth sympathy and regret over the situation and talk about how you MUST take your time off, for your health ( ! ). But they fully expect no loss in productivity even though the manpower to cover is not there and leave it up to you to figure out how to manage to take the time within these strictures.

They "talk the talk" but they don't "walk the walk" so to speak!

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» There's even more to this... Posted by: QuestionAuthority
it's a feature not a bug in corporate policy
Posted by: somegirl on Nov 13, 2008 5:38 AM   
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when the only thing that matters is stock price, the worker is absolutely expendable.

my boyfriend was just laid off tuesday from one of the seemingly recession proof companies, one that actually manufactures something. but their sales fell off a slight bit in their slowest quarter, and lay offs were ordered. they are heading into the busiest couple months of the year, and the ones left just have to work that much harder. it is criminal, but that's the way it's been going for years now.

meanwhile, they are also running job fairs at the large local universities, preparing to hire a younger lower paid workforce. they are essentially laying off parents to hire their children.

corporate policies must be changed for this nation to survive, and it will need to come from the federal level through laws mandating time off and other protections for the workers. unlike stupid f'in greenspan, we are not shocked that companies' pob's act the way they do.

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6 week vacations and free health care are the norm in European countries..
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 13, 2008 5:39 AM   
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But U.S. workers are not competing against European workers, are they? Jobs will not leave the U.S. for France - no, they leave the U.S. for Mexico and China, and that's done under the rubric of "free-market trade agreements" - agreements that are actually more like cartel contracts, and are intended to rule out democratic participation as well as any kind of labor or health or environmental standards. NAFTA, CAFTA, MEFTA, China's most-favored-nation trading status - all operate on this principle.

U.S. corporations and their political allies in Washington have engineered a situation in which U.S. workers are forced to compete with child slave labor in China on a "level playing field". Of course, this means that labor costs plummet and profits explode, and thus the Forbes 500 is now packed with billionaires and poverty is sweeping across the U.S., with U.S. manufacturing now at record lows.

The situation with agriculture and food production is just as bad, but with a different twist: Around half of the industrial farm labor in the U.S. consists of illegal immigrants. In most cases, these immigrants lost their farming jobs in Mexico due to the dumping of subsidized U.S. corn in Mexico (legal under NAFTA rules). This drove several million small farmers in Mexico into bankruptcy - and that's who makes up the bulk of illegal immigrant laborers. The agribusiness corporations love it, however, because it forces U.S. workers to compete with people who will work for half their salary - meaning more profits due to lower labor costs.

Please note that both Republicans and Democrats have supported this. It's also a new kind of union-busting tactic - just move the jobs offshore and call it "free trade". There has been opposition from some elements of both parties, however.

It's now time for those who are opposed to these rotten trade deals to join forces in order to defeat them. We will still have trade agreements - but they will be only one page long, and will simply state that trade is encouraged, but that specific issues will be decided democratically, not by secret groups of appointees, and that labor and environmental rules must be standardized - we will ban trade with countries that employ slave labor, for example.

Neither the Chinese billionaires nor the American billionaires will like that, but everyone else will.

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A Plus Article!
Posted by: Gravitas on Nov 13, 2008 5:52 AM   
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Thank you for pointing out that too much work and stress can contribute to obesity, heart disease and depression. That certainly counteracts the stereotype being used in the media that fat equals lazy. Actually it is just the opposite! Funny we never hear admonitions not to work too hard along with all the other health nags! It we kill ourselves in pursuit of making our boss a buck, that is perfectly o.k. But heaven help us if we get a little pleasure ourselves along the way. Really are we anything more than glorified serfs?

p.s. Interesting that Australia has overtaken the U.S. as world's fattest nation. (Although that fattest nation BS is marketing for pharma). But they have the world's second best longevity. Wonder if it is the vacations?

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Dull Surprise!
Posted by: kegbot1 on Nov 13, 2008 6:24 AM   
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And a bunch of great replies in this thread as well.

And yet we've been conditioned to believe the slightest organized help to workers is EVIL socialism!

See what unbridled predatory capitalism gets you? A long slow death. Of course we're the most depressed nation on earth!

But here's another point lost in the article - EVEN IF you have some mental health benefits paid by your employers' plan they are usually paltry and insufficient to treat work and society based depression - and that's ON PURPOSE.

Pick yourself up by your goddamn bootstraps, quit whining and get back on the damn treadmill - you're CEO's yearly bonus hangs in the balance! One more word out of you and you and your family will be in the street!!

Personally I like the solution portrayed in the last scenes of the movie "Fight Club" or "Office Space." The only way we're going to change things in this country is to put the fear of god into the corporatocracy and their government lackeys. Make them fear the people again.

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» RE: Dull Surprise! Posted by: indirect quotes
» RE: Dull Surprise! Posted by: babs
NIOSH NEEDS MORE FUNDING FOR THIS!
Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 13, 2008 6:32 AM   
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Silja J.A. Talvi

Thanks for article. As an occupational health physician I was on a NIOSH team that worked on what we called Organization of Work(OOW)

The new CDC head,whoever that may be,(?)needs to support more NIOSH work in this vitally important area.

Google NIOSH to learn more about OOW and work stress

Or drop me an e-mail

Thanks

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
ralippin@aol.com

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Too Short, Too Fat, Too Overworked
Posted by: Shankari46 on Nov 13, 2008 7:39 AM   
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American workers are treated like garbage. I used to work in Japan 20 years ago, and I was treated better there than here. Even well educated workers are treated like trash. Americans take pride that they can fire anyone for any reason. They take pride that their intellectual class is underpaid and mistreated unless you make weapons, but even then they are overworked as well.

My father is 6'3". His son is 6'1". My nephews are 5'10". My children are shorter than me. We are getting smaller and sicker. The irony is that most Americans don't even realize it. They go on ranting and raving about how they worked for everything they have, and don't see their own children growing smaller, sicker, and more obese.

Our parasite class is sucking the lifeblood right out of us. They have forgotten one thing that all good parasites should know, and that is that you cannot kill your host. They figure that the world is so overpopulated and so many countries are willing to enslave their populations for a buck that they don't care.

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X pat observer
Posted by: davy on Nov 13, 2008 8:03 AM   
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FEAR I believe this is why. Your last administration scared the life out of America. Panic ensued. We in Europe can't believe the hours you yanks work. "Never have so many done so much for so few." The yanks that are still supporting them are the ones buried in FEAR. Time for a break, a long one to get your priorities straight. OR . . .

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» RE: X pat observer Posted by: Lilykins
Which brings us back to the abysmal state of "healthcare"
Posted by: Karina on Nov 13, 2008 8:19 AM   
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Or as my nurse practitioner calls it "illness intervention".

Many of us are galley slaves to these greedy bastards because it is our only option for (ba dum dum) medical insurance. You can be denied individual coverage for any reason an insurance company chooses and the government has done zilch to change that. So much as mention it and the right screams socialism. It's a vicious circle.

So the greed begats the corporate enslavement begats the sickness, depression and stress.

Incidentally I recently read theories that Blue Cross in California worked against Prop 8 because it would greatly increase family coverage.

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Define "progress"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 AM   
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There was a study done a few years ago that showed that Neolithic Man only had to labor for approximately 20 hours a week to meet his needs for food, clothing and shelter. Today, in a safer world but one complicated largely by advertising-induced extra "needs," we work up to 80 hours or more a week for the same thing, and now our labor itself is killing us.

This is "progress?"

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» RE: Define "progress" Posted by: Lilykins
of course...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 13, 2008 9:45 AM   
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IN SOMALIA, CONGO, SAIPAN, UGANDA or RWANDA

They aren't depressed...

THEY'RE JUST DYING & STARVING, getting raped, mutilated with machetes & forced into slavery, right?

jesus.

quit the US-centric whinging, already & do something constructive with yourselves.

you might snap out of it.





Spread Love, not corporate dependence...

BlueBerry Pick'n
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» RE: of course... Posted by: babs
madfrit
Posted by: cocacolocao on Nov 13, 2008 9:46 AM   
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Just reducing the hours of work spent goofing off in the USA, about two hours a day, would increase the productivity. In fact, were people only employed for the time they were productive, curtailing the 'goofing-off' time would actually create 2 million new jobs. Jobs where people are currently over-worked and under-productive, once readjusted to retro-fit the workplace, would cost considerably less than the surplus it would achieve to offset costs.
The 'vacation-time' that workers in the USA and in Australia, where the situation is not dissimilar, with workers saving up vacation time, because there never is a right time to take a vacation, and the culture imposes so much duress on the individual that taking time off would expose the worker to stress of not knowing whether someone else has taken their job while they are on vacation.
This merely compounds the 'productivity issues' providing false-positives about the US economy. Mandatory vacation, with legislation in place to ensure that that vacation time is filled by temp-work would create an additional 4 million +, real jobs, all of which would only increase productivity, not curtail it. This economic model used to work.
It used to be the model for all developed nations, that the economic flow-on would outstrip the oncosts of hiring new people.
While the USA continues to undervalue the actual labour cost of running a successful economy, and pays people fairly, rather than relying on 'indentured labour' which merely distorts the real economy's value, nothing much will change. See unemployment and under-employment are used as anti-inflationary tools. If you can get 2 people working for $5 an hour, rather than 2 people working for $10, you are actually shrinking your economy. The economy is 'roughly dexcribed' as the amount of money in cash and credit, your people spend in a year. Give them smaller incomes and they have less to spend. Employ indentured labourers, who for 12 years have to accept paltry wages and zero working conditions, and you skew your economy, but keep inflation down in the process. All very useful to the top-end of town who use their increasing profits as increasing leverage, against growth in real wages.

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Great article
Posted by: Koondog on Nov 13, 2008 10:02 AM   
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I visit Sweden every summer and those people seem about 10 times as stress free and happy as Americans.

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Some positive videos to watch!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Nov 13, 2008 10:12 AM   
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The videos below are about change, inspiration, belief and compassion. I hope you like them and share them with everyone you know. We are headed in a new direction in the world we live and we as a society can embrace this new era with love. I ask for your support in helping spread the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpfHz_WeXHw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9BtZwTyHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVGsuNecYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssvnQMn-EM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfvQmh3b90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Enn5yiY-0



Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration.

Here's a community organizer that's reached out to over 20,000 youth and has a goal of touching a million by teaching them the game of life using the game of chess. Click below to watch video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFENGymr34

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No one in the owning class cares about why we're working so damned much
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 13, 2008 10:28 AM   
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If they did, they'd stop paying us pennies while parasitically extracting millions off our labor's product.

In my own industry (entertainment) "companies" (read: the entities that service the owning-class' whim and pleasure while producing content to the masses) have a new means of slavery: the unpaid intern permatemp. You work for three months, get "fired" then get rehired to work another three months for no pay and you get rich people coffee, wash their dogs, fire their "girl" (yes they call housekeepers and nanies "their girl" kinda like plantation owners once called their domestic house slaves) and look at the scripts on the rich guy's desk. No one talks about it because now this is how you get jobs that promise to pay... until the producer decides to use another unpaid intern to do all the work. Imagine a bunch of 35-44 year olds on permanent internship... the same people who used to be paid employees of the same producers and companies...now they're just some rich asshole's "girl" or "boy"... California is the new Georgia.

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Perhaps
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Nov 13, 2008 10:34 AM   
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if people dealt with their negative emotions in a mature manner they would make choices that are far more healthy including the kind of crap they put up with. It is so easy to blame a jopb for what ails you, the truth of the matter is there is NO ONE but yourself to blame Learn it, Love it. Live it.

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For the benefit of whom?
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Nov 13, 2008 11:29 AM   
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Who benefits from all the extra time and energy we spend working?

Not us, not our kids, not society.

Ultimatley it benefits the super elite who run the central banks.

Even if you work your ass off running your own business, you still are mostly supporting large corporations who you buy goods and services from. Large coroporations support banks which support the fed which is a privatley owned central bank.

They epitomize the definition of a parasite.

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Perhaps if the exorbidant salaries paid to CEOs and Corporate Officers...
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 13, 2008 1:45 PM   
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were stripped down to 200% of the lowest paid worker in a company, and the difference were used to pay for higher wages and vacations for everyone else, people would be happier.

I know I would.

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Reality strikes rarely -but here it comes!
Posted by: hux on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM   
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Greetings earth people!
Broke up when I read this here:
p.s. Interesting that Australia has overtaken the U.S. as world's fattest nation. (Although that fattest nation BS is marketing for pharma). But they have the world's second best longevity. Wonder if it is the vacations?
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1. Nowhere except Japan could anyone be taking over the fattest nation title!
Australians spend more time in daylight than anyone else in the WestWorld who actually work.
But, yes, all around me here in Oz - on my beach - I see people growing these strange giant bodies, that always start with a bulbous hanging apron of fat off the stomach.
Hilarious renegade medico Dr. Oz (no relation to Oz-tralia)keeps appearing on OPRAH and did a very good series on why fatsos seriously can't lose weight readily.
It *IS* caused by the mind. (stress =cortisol)
*NOBODY* wants to look like that!
Then add the "non-food" that people eat and the deadly "health" things like margarine - hydrolised oil............

Until recently Australia (which has THE most fascinating political history, thanks to its Irish convicts, mainly)was the first successful effort by the peasants to get unionised.
It led to a fantastic place in which everyone won and lasted until quite recently when the Union leaders were cleverly made into criminals.
So, the last generation to live a long and basically happy life here are the statistics for longevity.
Thanks to "level playing fields", life expectancy is dropping like a stone here and will soon equal the U.S. *REAL* life expectancy of 62 years before major debilitation and death.

You know, the real cause of the French Revolution was the price of bread. Workers in the new super-growth economy simply could not afford bread for their families.
Hmmmnnn, I would disarm the peasants too, if I was in charge and knew what is coming .....

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this is more a cultural problem than anything else...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Nov 13, 2008 2:23 PM   
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i dont believe for one minute that americans are genetically conservative.. but at this moment..america remains conservative nonetheless...and to correct that problem is not nearly so simple as pushing a button in a voting booth...

meanwhile..as long as thats the case..ppl will be more than happy to let the corporate ruling class walk all over them...and if obama means to fix the economy..then he will first have to change the way ppl think to get them out of the conservative mindset...

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The American way of life is spreading
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Nov 13, 2008 3:00 PM   
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I continue to read that Europeans are taking shorter vacations every year, working more hours, while fast food chains are popping up everywhere, and TV and air conditioner sales are up. I don't know what the European physicial and mental health statistics are doing though. Sarkoszy loves Bush, and when I visited France in June, I noticed that the 20-something age workers used the phrase, in English, "baby boomer" as a teasing insult to each other, as in "you shut up baby boomer", or "go eat at MacDo, you baby boomer".

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You can get FIRED for Taking a Vacation in TEXAS--especially Austin,Texas!
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM   
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I was actually fired from two jobs in Texas because I put in for my vacation.

I had already passed probation and even though I had a written contract promising me a week's PAID vacation after a year's employment, the employers were not willing to let me have the vacation or pay me for the vacation time and let me continue working.

And it wasn't just me.

And you can't get the attorneys here to represent you because there is not enough money in it for them.

One of these was a State Agency!

Texas got their employment policies from the antebellum days when there were REAL slaves and from the Patron system in Mexico where one boss literally has the power of life and death over his ignorant,scared, isolated peons who live and work on his ranch!

It is also a "right to work" ( STARVE!) state.

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Ah, it's genetic, you see ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Nov 13, 2008 3:40 PM   
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Those forefathers who came from Europe were depressives, or with some other such disorder, and that made them dissatisfied with their lot. So, they looked for "greener pasture on the other side of the hill" and chose to emigrate to the US, believing they would find satisfaction, but carrying their bad genes with them. So subsequent generations suffer the same mental illnesses...

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another great article by Talvi
Posted by: ayala on Nov 13, 2008 4:10 PM   
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thanks and keep 'em coming.

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Capitalism causes "mental illness"...
Posted by: Smartcookie on Nov 13, 2008 7:00 PM   
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... the system itself is screwed, we need something entirely different from all the past ideologies but most people are too mired in hatred and bigoted ideologies of the past. We need something based on working together not against one another. Too few people realize this unfortunately.

Money divides people, we have to find an alternative medium of exchange, money is not a neutral store of value (inflation/deflation), and that's a serious problem. People have to start questioning the monetary system itself, technically there is no "financial crisis", since they are artificially designed manmade systems, are we really out of talent, labour and resources? or is it that certain groups of people control too much property and resources other people need to continue working and adding value to society?

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Nov 13, 2008 8:57 PM   
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Another thing I don't get: Why are we all working 40+ hour weeks with the same old 2 weeks vacation (in some cases people actually get sick leave in addition to this).....the number of women in outside work has doubled to I believe 60% - why have we not demanded that the work week be compressed for all people? (And no, a 4 day 10 hour a day week is not what I mean). I mean that with so many more of us working full time - men and women - the work week could be 32 hours for everyone - and with longer vacations also. 4 days, 8 hours is plenty with so many in the workforce.

After all, the middle and under classes have not benefitted at all from women being in the work force in the financial sense - wallets have been raided by the ruling classes and nothing but rampant consumerism trapping us...and no real home life.

Remember, the 40+ hours a week of housework, house management, life management, etc. - never went away - someone usually was home to handle that and to be a buffer against the corporate world. No longer. Corporate world rules, and not in a good way.

This would be a humane way to approach it. Should be a federal mandate for vacations too. Refreshed people are better workers too but they'd rather see us there in the workplace than have a better life all around.

We as humans have control over life - we can, and should, with all of the technology available to us, make a more humane and European lifestyle. Maybe it will come because we've finally choked on rampant enslaving consumerism, empty striving, lack of social lives, and our kids are starving for free time and enjoyment too.

Let me say this: I have not read a novel in years - too busy formulating second and third careers in addition to my full time job - it's never enough. Yes we are YOYOs but only when it's convenient for the ruling class. For them they are buffered and spoiled by tax breaks (but of course that's not welfare)......enough. Time to take back America and make it a hundred times better. It's a new world and the old corporate world, based on one person being in the outside workforce and one person handling the home - is no longer true for the most part. So we should accomodate families by instituting "family values" policies (I take that phrase directly from the hypocritical ones who extol the free marketplace). Let's hope Mr. Obama will bring some change in that area.

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» RE: CommonDreamer Posted by: Smartcookie
End Employee Abuse AND Give Vacations
Posted by: marizara on Nov 13, 2008 9:06 PM   
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I have watched the changes happening in our business environment for many years. Employers have been taking lessons from each other on ways to keep employees intimidated, and weak, and poor. Seriously! I do not think that vacations, alone, will fix any of that. We really need to repair the damage and abuse that too many years of freewheeling big business has managed to inflict upon our working population. Most people have begun to feel like beaten dogs, and it's not a good feeling. We've been fools to accept such treatment for so long.

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Get A Life Instead of Just A Job!!!
Posted by: thepeasants on Nov 13, 2008 10:24 PM   
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People get jobs and then fill their lives in around them. Why don't you get a life first and then a job that supports your life instead of the other way around. Work independently. Start your own business. Don't work at all. Work underground. Maybe don't work for large Corporations. Do SOMETHING different but be original. Don't be a drone. If you go for the easy job at the giant corporation and you are treated like something disposable, LEAVE! Nobody is holding a gun to your head. By working in an exploitative corporation, you are consenting to it. Refuse to give your consent to this way of life. You can DO it!! Be creative!! Don't be a drone!!!

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» RE: Get A Life Instead of Just A Job!!! Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» You have obviously never been poor. Posted by: Pissed Off Woman
Living the American Dream
Posted by: mike_burns on Nov 14, 2008 8:19 AM   
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It has been getting constantly worse since the Reagan Administration.
This is what the Reagan revolution has left me with.
I work 84hr/week. I work away from home, which resulted in two divorces. I work 28days/month, 12hrs per day in lonely isolated places. I work for the Oil and Gas industry. It is a very lucrative industry. I am payed so little, I have to work that amount of hours to make ends meet. Look it up; I am a mud logger.
I get no vacation. My last vacation was 9yrs ago.
After that last separation from my wife, I had two heart attacks. Since, I have had to have quadruple bypass surgery on my heart.
The hours keep me from having any kind of relationship, even a pet or a plant.
I am only 54. I am pretty much plan on dying on the job. There is nothing left for me but work. I think that is the way they like it. This was the plan all along. Is this America, or is this a gulag?

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» RE: Living the American Dream Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» RE: Faith based politics of tricle down Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» Thanks, Dabear. Posted by: mike_burns
» RE: Living the American Dream Posted by: peacefullaim
For anyone who thinks..
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Nov 15, 2008 7:05 AM   
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That I do not know about working hard for little money, and maybe gambling with a livelyhood and grappling with not being able to make ends meet... Think again. I grow vegetables for a living and it is a gamble everyday.. There is always a chance that I may not see any income from one or several crops.. I have had years where a lot of what I put into the ground did not produce... Certainly this fall has been a shining example of that. But guess what? I get up every day go out and keep doing it, loving it and have a positive attitude as much as I can and I realize that I can be negative and gruimpy and not enjoy the time that I have here, or I can see the bright side of life.It is a choice.I choose the light side. Its not kool aid.. Its attitude. and frankly I find that when I am grouchy impatient and negative things do not go well.. when I am positive things so great. You choose. In man's search for meaning by Victor Frankl he told tales about the holocaust experiences he had and even in the concentration camp he found some brightness. So really the only prison and slavery that exists is in your mind and soul. I can only speak from experience. I used to be a very angry man. I see the bright side more and more each day and its pretty incredible what can be when you let go of the negativity.. so I stand by every single word I have written here.

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» Thanks, Cool Aid Man. Posted by: mike_burns
» RE: Thanks, Cool Aid Man. Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
so marx was right !!?
Posted by: ghost in the machine on Nov 18, 2008 11:42 AM   
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EVER INCREASING LABOUR TIME IS A FACTOR IN MARX'S LAW OF THE INSOLUBLE CRISIS OF CAPITAL AND THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURN.
IT IS A SIGNAL THAT PRODUCTION IS IN CRISIS AND MORE SPECIFICALLY FINANCE ...AND WE ALL NOW KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THAT.

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How about we take back our world!
Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Nov 19, 2008 6:14 AM   
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If we take back our time, we might as well take back our right to use it to make our lives better, instead of slaving every day to line the pockets of the wealthy.

Capitalism will only run us into the ground. It's time we took back our world.

Solidarity is the best medicine.

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Time Out
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Nov 19, 2008 2:01 PM   
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You could have of the expression "overworked and underpaid" and that aptly describes many Americans like myself who possibly work more than 40 hours and holds two jobs (in California you need two jobs to make ends meet although they may meet only halfway).
The next administration ought to make this a priority so we can become more like Finland or Australia.
Mental health is a serious matter and if we don't address this problem soon we'll all be prescribed medicine. It's time lost from friends and family, plus relationships suffer when all this time goes by. We cannot get it back.
In short, we all could use a (longer) time out.

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Some excellent comments
Posted by: Shey on Nov 19, 2008 5:00 PM   
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but .... Neither the article nor any comments have addressed one of the major contributing factors to depression in the U.S. and that is over-use and unnecessary prescribing of anti-depressants.

If you have any kind of health insurance at all, you can bet that anti-depressants are one of the cheapest, easiest to get and most prescribed of your covered medications.
Look at the TV commercials.
The "this will cure all you ills" ones, with the happy person (usually a woman) running through fields of grass with a dog and butterfly's while the impossibly small print about the unbelievable dangers and possible side effects blink on and off the screen faster than anyone could possible read. The rapid-fire commentary by a soothing, bland voice about "notify your Dr. if you experience any of the following" --- everything from confusion and "upset stomach" (read chronic IBS) to suicidal thoughts or actions are drowned out by soothing music and the utopian visuals of a perfect, blissful life.

Probably the next most ubiquitous commercials are those from law firms asking "have you or a loved one experienced any of the following serious health effects, including death (I assume that's for the "loved ones") after taking (insert name of pharmaceutical", the vast majority of which are anti-depressants that a year or so previous, were being advertised in commercials like the first one I described.

Anti-depressants keep us numb but productive (until they ruin our health or drive us to suicide).
They have their place, for people who have depressive disorders that render them "permanently" unable to function normally. Not just "temporarily" unable to function normally because they're dealing with one of life's tragedies .... the death of a loved one, a divorce, etc.
Wake up people, the core of this article was about depression. Overwork is indeed one serious cause. Anti-depressants are not the answer to being depressed because you have to work too hard to barely survive, they are a huge part of the problem.

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