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Has American Society Gone Insane?
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However, Americans who gain their information outside of television and beyond the mass media may be aware of a secular, progressive tradition that is critical of how psychiatry has diverted us from examining societal sources of our malaise. This secular, humanistic concern was articulated, perhaps most famously, by the psychoanalyst Erich Fromm (1900-1980).
In The Sane Society (1955), Fromm wrote, "Yet many psychiatrists and psychologists refuse to entertain the idea that society as a whole may be lacking in sanity. They hold that the problem of mental health in a society is only that of the number of 'unadjusted' individuals, and not of a possible unadjustment of the culture itself."
Is American society a healthy one, and are those having difficulties adjusting to it mentally ill? Or is American society an unhealthy one, and are many Americans with emotional difficulties simply alienated rather than ill? For Fromm, "An unhealthy society is one which creates mutual hostility (and) distrust, which transforms man into an instrument of use and exploitation for others, which deprives him of a sense of self, except inasmuch as he submits to others or becomes an automaton." Fromm viewed American society as an increasingly unhealthy one, in which people routinely experience painful alienation that fuels emotional and behavioral difficulties.
Unlike Tom Cruise, Fromm would not have been terribly upset that actress Brooke Shields found happiness in antidepressants. No genuinely humanistic critic of psychiatry believes that adults who choose prescription psychotropic drugs should be mocked or shamed, or prohibited from using them. Rather, humanist critics of establishment psychiatry advocate for informed choice about all treatments.
The essential confrontation for Fromm is not about psychiatric drugs per se (though he would be sad that so many Americans nowadays, especially children, are prescribed psychotropic drugs in order to fit into inhospitable environments). His essential confrontation was directed at all mental health professionals -- including non-prescribers such as psychologists, social workers and counselors -- who merely assist their patients to adjust but neglect to validate their patients' alienation from society.
Those comfortably atop societal hierarchies have difficulty recognizing that many American institutions promote helplessness, passivity, boredom, fear, isolation, alienation and dehumanization for those not at the top. One-size-fits-all schools, the corporate workplace, government bureaucracies and other giant, impersonal institutions routinely promote manipulative relationships rather than respectful ones, machine efficiency rather than human pride, authoritarian hierarchies rather than participatory democracy, disconnectedness rather than community, and helplessness rather than empowerment.
In The Sane Society, Fromm warned, "Today the function of psychiatry, psychology and psychoanalysis threatens to become the tool in the manipulation of man. The specialists in this field tell you what the 'normal' person is, and, correspondingly, what is wrong with you; they devise the methods to help you adjust, be happy, be normal."
In the "adjust and be happy" sense, there is commonality between establishment mental health professionals and Scientologists. Neither Dr. Phil nor Tom Cruise are exactly rebels against the economic status quo; and their competing self-help programs, though different, are similar in that they instruct people on how to adjust, be happy and be normal within our economic system.
The source of the mutual hostility between psychiatry and the Church of Scientology, as depicted by the mass media, centers around psychotropic drug use; but my sense is that the root cause of their feud is a fierce competition between them. Both establishment psychiatry and Scientology are competing for the same people -- those more comfortable with authority, dogma and insider jargon than with critical thinking.
Both the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard and psychiatry's DSM (the official diagnostic manual in which mental illnesses are voted in and out by elite psychiatrists) have much more to do with dogma than science. Both Scientology and psychiatry embrace science fiction technobabble that poses as scientific fact. In Scientology's "auditing," the claim is that the Hubbard Electropsychometer (E-Meter) can assess the reactive mind of the "preclear" by passing a small amount of voltage through a pair of tin-plated tubes that look like empty soup cans wired to the E-Meter and held by the preclear. But psychiatry is no more scientifically relevant, as its trendy chemical-imbalance theories of mental illness have shelf-lives of about a decade, with establishment psychiatry most recently having retreated from both its serotonin-deficiency theory of depression and the excessive-dopamine theory of schizophrenia.
While Scientology can claim auditing adherents, and psychiatry can claim even more antidepressant advocates, neither treatment has been shown to be consistently superior to a placebo. And rather than validating their treatments with legitimate science performed by independent, financially unbiased scientists, both Scientology and psychiatry rely on what amounts to a well-funded public relations apparatus.
Scientology and establishment psychiatry have something else in common. They are both orthodoxies that deal harshly with their ex-insiders who have come to reject them. Currently, psychiatry is the more prevailing orthodoxy, and, as George Orwell explained, the mainstream press does not challenge a prevailing orthodoxy. Orwell wrote, "At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. ... Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals."
It is my experience that psychiatry, Scientology and fundamentalist religions are turnoffs for genuinely critical thinkers. Critical thinkers are not so desperate to adjust and be happy that they ignore adverse affects -- be they physical, psychological, spiritual or societal. Critical thinkers listen to what others have to say while considering their motives, especially financial ones; and they discern how one's motivation may distort one's assumptions.
A critical thinker would certainly not merely accept without analysis Fromm's and my conclusion that American society is insane in terms of healthy human development. Perhaps a society should not be labeled insane just because it is replete with schools that turn kids off to reading, for-profit prisons that need increasingly more inmates for economic growth, a mass media that is dishonest about threats to national security, trumped-up wars that so indebt a society that it cannot provide basic health care, a for-profit health care system that exploits illness rather than promoting health, et cetera.
A critical thinker would most certainly point out that there have been societies far less sane than the United States -- and Erich Fromm made himself absolutely clear on this point. In the barbaric German society that Fromm fled, disruptive children who couldn't fit into one-size-fits-all schools were not forced to take Adderall and other amphetamines, but instead their parents handed them over to psychiatrists to be euthanized. Fromm, however, knew that just because one could point to societies less sane than the United States, this did not make the United States a sane, humanistic society.
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Posted by: nzo on Sep 11, 2008 12:55 AM
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Various observers of insane societies have noted that they are predominantly built on a foundation of 'reasonable insanity' - the kind of socially sanctioned insanity no-one notices because everyone is embedded in it. It's the insanity of the everyday: how we live, what we do, what we say, how we treat each other, what we think.
The gradient between 'reasonably insane' and 'pathologically insane' is fuzzy. The more rooted in acquisition, greed and power, the more things move in the direction of pathologically insanity.
From the Little Hitlers inhabiting small government, to the upper echelons of grasped power, this is the domain of presidents, dictators, fundamentalists, judiciary, militarists, money-junkies and the gamut of politicians and social manipulators who follow them like a gaggle of turkeys utterly convinced that they, and only they, are right.
One of the hallmarks of the pathologically insane is that their way is always the right way.
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» American "society" is inherently anti-social
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» The 'Divide and Conquer' game...
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» "Our differences became more important than our similarities"
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 11, 2008 1:33 AM
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Mental illness is a tragedy that afflicts millions of Americans. Successful treatments vary with the individual, but they all have one thing in common -- love and compassion for the victims, which this article cold-heartedly ignores, even after mentioning Eric Fromm, who authored one of my favorite books, The Art of Loving."
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» Calling America "insane" stigmatizes mental illness, which is unforgivable and sad.
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» No, just the opposite
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» I speak for myself, donl51, which is covered under FREEDOM of SPEECH!
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» Duncable, show me where the author mentioned love and compassion in...
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» lets face it...
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» I guess we will disagree on this because I thought the article was fairly straightforward
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» It's about why treatment is needed in the first place
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 11, 2008 3:49 AM
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Now another such crazy person is trying to wheedle her way into the White House. So, are the American people so deluded they will let it happen again? If so, they will reap exactly what they have sown: human self-extinction on a dead planet, after which the Earth will look very much like Mars. Is that what the American people want?
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Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 11, 2008 4:00 AM
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After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance and the issues that affect their quality of life, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media full of corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.
America has become a friggin' circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. America is devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons watch every night on their TV's.
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Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 11, 2008 4:03 AM
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After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance and the issues that affect their quality of life, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media full of corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.
America has become a friggin' circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. America is devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons watch every night on their TV's.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 11, 2008 4:29 AM
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-The excesses (note word excesses) of the legal profession has completely destroyed any semblance commom sense
My solutions-
- implement healthy early childhhod education immediately- devoid of toxic organized religion neuro-tapes
- immediately shut down 1/3rd of US law schools
Thanks!
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Southampton,Pa
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» RE: America is DYSFUNCTIONAL, PERIOD
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» The "most powerful society of humans"? What!!!
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Posted by: raymondg on Sep 11, 2008 4:43 AM
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Posted by: zeofredo on Sep 11, 2008 5:19 AM
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The REAL insane characteristic of our time is more universal: that money has become the measure of all things, and that we are pressured to conform to a lofty ideal of individualism that, in practice, is counter-intuitive and socially disintegrating. The West is in a trend of attacking social cohesion, but these days are also showing signs of being short-lived...
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Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 11, 2008 5:22 AM
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What makes me angriest are the media, which even as I write, are grinding out some hokey story about Sarah Palin and whether she's being unfairly attacked. She'd be still attending PTA meetings if her blend of nuttiness and looks did not serve the oil companies and other corporate interests.
I blame the media for not questioning the 9/11-Saddam Hussein connection, for relentlessly beating the drums for this hideous war in Iraq, for not pointing out that there is NO substance in McCain's promise of change, for promoting plastic surgery when people are dying for lack of health care, for taking money (and this includes PBS) from companies that are destroying the air we breathe and the water we drink...That we are buying pollution-causing flat screen TVs at an insane rate to watch sports and "reality" shows and perhaps a little faux news just shows how the very media we escape to are addicting.
No, we are not a healthy society.
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Posted by: JohnnyM on Sep 11, 2008 5:35 AM
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It is clear that the West (not just America) has lost its common sense. You or Fromm may label this as insane, but I would say what's been lost is simply common sense.
Common sense is first of all common, secondly it's sensible. There IS a right and wrong way to do or look at things, and it's inherent in us all.
We are subject to a bombardment of media (TV, News, Blogosphere, radio, etc) and are overloaded with noise. There are 500 million different opinions on this subject alone, so how can I think "critically" with all this noise? How do we re-tap this inherent sense and get back to the basics?
Shut up and listen. Not to the so-called experts but to your common sense. Once you're tapped into it things become easy. You see clearly, think critically, and best of all need no pharmaceuticals for anything.
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Posted by: Quasar on Sep 11, 2008 6:29 AM
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A state of eternal discontent.
Or, just take a look at the presidential campaign. How fucked up is that?
Call me crazy. . .
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» You're Not crazy. Good point.
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Posted by: nfamous on Sep 11, 2008 6:42 AM
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The truth is that genetics and environment have varying degrees of influence depending of each person's DNA. There is no way known to predict how much influence our debased society will have on any particular individual but we know it has some effect. What gene would we be looking for in that case? Is there a gene that makes people value life and love more than money and fame? Who the hell knows? Humans are stupid in the scope of the entire universe. We don't even understand much about the planet or the human brain. We should call ourselves hubrans instead for humans + hubris.
What we do know is that people feel better when they are connected to meaningful relationships in life. The absence of that should be a top concern for all of us. Medicating our way out of depression by creating a zombie-lie stupor is the stuff of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
Oh and Tom Cruise is a cultish, moronic freak plain and simple but I would not dismiss the remote possibility that this planet has been visited by aliens. If it had and our government knew that they wouldn't tell us. They would use that knowledge to benefit the elite and let the rest of us die. That is what people that are bored with money do. They focus on power and control.
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Posted by: leTerrassier on Sep 11, 2008 7:18 AM
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Posted by: Dboy on Sep 11, 2008 7:21 AM
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 11, 2008 7:24 AM
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2. Right wing radio combined with stressful commutes: the perfect propaganda vehicle.
3. Fluoridated water: used to make population passive and retarded.
4. Vaccines tainted with mercury: used to dumb down the public.
5. Massive lead pollution: used to encourage violent and aggressive tendencies in minorities.
6. Big pharma mental health "solutions" (prozac, etc): used to make people into zombies and vegetables and never address the real symptoms.
7. Sugar and corn syrup: used to overload the pancreas and spread the highly profitable diabetes.
8. Aspartame: Approved despite open and admitted and well documented dangers.
9. Genetically modified crops: huge risks both known and unknown. Small, questionable gains.
10. Ocean dead zones and massive floating fields of plastic and garbage: no outrage, no concern, no nothing. Total insanity.
This is just 10 things that is totally off the wall insane. I'm sure there's another list of 10 somewhere that's just as bad.
I didnt mention cancer...
cell phones and brain damage...
the liquidation of all public assets to pay for cops to go around tazing people...
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Posted by: stellabloo on Sep 11, 2008 7:39 AM
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Now here's the scary part: this woman is stationed up north in an area where about half the population is native. Alcoholism and the accompanying problems are rampant. However, shrink school teaches ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about AA or how it works. Not to mention Al-Anon or ACOA.
That's right, the psychiatric society neither knows or cares about the only non-profit institution that has ever had any success with treating drunks. And yet, and especially in my stepsister's case, many of the patients are scarred by alcoholism.
Does booze make you crazy? Imho absolutely. Not as quickly as meth or crack, but there it is - and the pain inflicted on any hapless innocents involved persists for generations.
This is never a popular opinion, I know. I'm only saying this because, hey - every other crackpot conspiracist is on here whining about the Owners and their plans to control the sheeple (thanks max!). Yet I remain convinced that it's no coincidence that the heiress to Anheuser-Busch is poised to become the next First Lady :.(
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However, the author paints all mental health professionals, especially psychiatrists, with the same brush. I am not a mental health professional, and there are none among my family and friends, so this isn't a defense of tribe. I know personally only two psychiatrists, and both agree that our society as a whole is sick and that people who are anxious and unhappy about the state of affairs have good cause to be.
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Posted by: PaulC on Sep 11, 2008 9:29 AM
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Idiot Nation! - Nation of Idiots!
Embarrassment and laughing stock to the world
Nation of morons
Brainless clueless self-absorbed jerks
In their Monster Trucks Built Ram Tough
Zoom! Zoom! Zoom! - marketed to adults
As to children - there is no difference
In a Nation of Idiots!
Living, working, breeding, breathing
Just not thinking
In this brain-dead
Idiot Nation!
Turd Blossom
laughing smiling dancing sings
Found his place
In a Nation of Idiots
He brought us The Decider
A mean drunk illiterate
"Compassionate Conservative"
Lying SOB
Sold us down the river
In a brutal war without end
Shredded our Constitution
Tortures us all
Idiot Nation!
Apparently no one noticed
Was it on Entertainment Tonight?
Don't fret little ones
Sassy sexy Palin
Will make it alright!
Heartless killer
Religious zealot
Sassy sexy lies
Panders to oil and money
Oh, show us your thighs!
Who cares about truth
When it feels so right!
Idiot Nation!
Nation of Idiots
Nation of sheep
Our kindly CEO shepherds
Sold us out to
The Communist Chinese!
Now it is the financial wizards
Circling the carcass
Stripping the meat
It's all so confusing
Give me reality TV!
In a Nation of Idiots
Idiot Nation!
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: bambic on Sep 11, 2008 9:48 AM
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Maybe there's something in the water? Air? Moonrocks?
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You log in and write a lengthy, well thought out comment; and, poof when you try to preview it, your post disappears and you are asked to log in!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 11, 2008 10:16 AM
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But One Crime they could be easily prosecuted for is related to mental abuse related to Exploitation.
Consider the similarity in tactics used by child predators/ sexual abusers.
They lure the child in with a lie (9/11 was an unforeseeable event- BS), they twist reality (Iraq involved with 9/11), They use fear or threats to maintain silence or captivity ( 'Vote Dem and the terrorist will get you'). Constantly repeat the 'horror' thus digging the mental hole deeper( replaying the 9/11 videos). And you have a terrified compliant captive. Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' was Right- which has led to collective 'Post Traumatic stress Syndrome'
Data alone on theincrease of prescriptions for psychotropic medications since 9/11 is hard evidence within itself. Doctors don't want to say they have been dispensing these meds needlessly. The Pharms don't want to admit they have only be producing the various varieties of anti depresssant & anti anxiety meds for no real reason- We'd be on their shit for not working on meds for ailments which are on the increase! which we are already ( Nice toe nails there in your Coffin!)
And God forbid the Neo Cons don't want to admit 9/11 has no real barring on this election- we must be afraid for them to win the national Security battle- thus the WH in Nov!
so hasn't this admin and their Corp sponsors perpetuated this Fear. Are they not employing the same tactics as a sexual predator?Hoping to elicit the same response/ results- Fear & compliance?
Wasn't their Coded 'Threat levels'a visual Threat (reinforcement) of emminent danger? Isn't 'Vote for a Dem and you will not be safe' basically a mental booby trapped Exit threat (You'll die)? Threat of reprocussions for not complying (Your family or friends will die)?
Is this Predatory mentality Not at the heart of their other crimes?
Do we not have clear, well documented and volumous evidence to support such a Prosecution?
The Republican convention speeches, videos and Police Actions support such comparisons and thus legal applications.
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Posted by: DaBear on Sep 11, 2008 10:24 AM
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Evidence to support the claim that "neither treatment has been shown..."? I'd be especially interested in reading that, just thinking aloud as a critical thinker, doc. I don't doubt you, kinda, I just wanna see the evidence.
It's interesting that Levine sweeps up the good with the bad... brings to mind that thing about babies and bathwater. It's true when my 8 year old with ADHD wiring is out in the mountains, away from the Prussian authoritaria he does just fine, mostly. But when he has to live in a world run by the most authoritarian of the "normals" he requires that Concerta to stay clear of the legal-penal system.
So, as a critical thinker, I often question the motives and the assumptions of those that tend to chuck out the perfectly good "fixes" with the trash.
When it comes to Bi-Polar and other Attention difference spectrum "disorders" I also question the efficacy of Big Pharma's marketing based approach, dressing up the same compounds as "new" drugs... so effectively marketed that people actually believe that the deep depression and mania cycles are completely manageable... until you go on Crazyboards.com or other bi-polar forums and notice that 90% of the discussion activity revolves around the shot-gun style pharma cocktails that are rife with disturbing side effects and virtually no efficacy in controlling what's really going on. There's a huge problem with the medical-problem model for "mental illness" but that doesn't change the reality of MI's existence in the population. Disbelieving the problem and conflating that disbelief with a flawed treatment apparatus is a dangerous and harmful attitude to take, especially for a shrink like the author.
As a critical thinker, that makes me wonder about the good doc's motives as well... Just saying.
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we all need some yogic and shamanic healing.
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Posted by: mnstra on Sep 11, 2008 11:34 AM
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To say that the US is an insane culture is being too understanding and nice. If we could have a diagnosis of why the country is committing such heinous acts as have been committed since the end or WW2; it would fit the description of psychopathic criminal behavior/The majority of the country the neocons, the military, the finance industry, the medical establishment, the oil companies and all the ruling elite should be behind bars.
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Posted by: Jacquie420 on Sep 11, 2008 12:16 PM
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Crazy?
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Posted by: Urgelt on Sep 11, 2008 12:17 PM
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One problem I see is with choice of terms. "Insanity" itself is a relative term - one is "insane" only by comparison to what is accepted as "sane." There are no standards in psychology (or elsewhere) for comparing cultures or judging their relative sanity. Sociologists don't even try; instead, they rely on a possibly more useful term: functionality.
A society is a cooperative entity. To the extent that collective needs are satisfied through cooperative effort, it is functional. To the degree that those needs are not met, it is dysfunctional.
That axis, of course, begs the question: what do people need?
Although very potent thinkers like Maslow have addressed themselves to this question, need and motivation remain difficult to explain in the contemporary social sciences. Very likely one reason for this gap is a poor understanding of the biological component; e.g. the bio-electro-chemical functioning of the human brain. We can observe behaviors, but as yet, we cannot connect behaviors to the physical brain very well.
Very likely, this will change. Pharmacological treatment of mood disorders (which need not be termed insanity at all, but rather states of pain, anguish, or self-destruction) is, while still primitive, advancing. There is a good chance that, in a number of years, drugs may be discovered which are capable of weakening or strengthening cooperative behaviors, empathy, and social functioning. Likewise, advances in genetics may give us important clues as to how genes affect these functions.
Our own society is, like all societies that humanity has thus far known, a mixture of the functional and dysfunctional. Dr. Levine provides several important examples of serious dysfunction; many, many others exist. It's very important to have a deep discussion of societal dysfunction, because we are entering an age in which potent new tools will emerge for managing it, both in the individual and in the society at large. Those tools will have great potential for both harm and benefit, depending on who decides how they will be used, for what purpose, and to whose advantage.
The potential for abuse is already a concern. Psychiatrists today serve as enforcers for the status quo, strategizers for commercial advertising, instruments of a brutal criminal justice system, and, in some instances, facilitators of torture. The profession is, arguably, as dysfunctional as the society in which it is embedded.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 11, 2008 12:18 PM
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Millions of years worth. Mercury in the human body does a great many harmful things. Chief of these is developmental disabilities in embryos. It don't stop there. As it falls from the sky,in millions of tons,it gets into the water we drink and works the same on adults.
So if mental troubles are in your family or you,thank those heartless bastards in the coal industry. It's this kind of broadcast contamination from all the grandfathered coal burners that are the very reason I've always said the government 'owes us' Healthcare. It was their allowing of coal burning and the reduced air quality standards that have made us,our parents,grandparents and the great grandchildren we'll never know, to develop most of the mental disabilities we have now. It don't stop there either. Coal brought us lupis,fibromyalgia and aneurisms. Neither party will do much to change this. Clean coal is a joke because it's only the sulfurdioxide they are looking at,not mercury.
As for me...I'd rather have rotting lawn furniture and be sane than be a blithering idiot and great yard toys.
The true alternative....Wind and solar,and not the 400foot tall pieces of crap. There are a great many wind generators that produce more energy than the giant turbines and at less than half the cost in both building them and maintaining them. Where are they...the Netherlands and they crank it out at 250 watts!! Retrofit all the tall buildings with these babies and we shut down half the coal burners in America. It's time we took control of our lives away from the idiots that should'nt have it...THE CONGRESS
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In my view the point is that America is unhealthy as a society. Its unhealthy because the society does not promote health and it doesn't support it. Instead it promotes profit, power and distraction. People's true needs such as education, health care, community, healthy food and a clean environment are considered low priority or not important while the society puts most of its resources into creating wealth and power for a small group at the expense of the larger group. You get exploiting corporations out of that and you get repressive war mongering government out of that. Our society is fueled by man's base emotions of greed, fear and aggression. These low level emotions create separation, conflict and disease when they are maintained over a long period of time and the problem is compounded when they are created and maintained on a mass scale.
The only way I see our society surviving in the long term is through a shift in consciousness where what really nurtures and sustains us is placed at the top of the priority list and we put our effort, attention and resources into it. A healthy society doesn't thrive greed, isn't ruled by fear and doesn't mistake what is unhealthy for what is healthy. Only by radically restructuring our society can we create the healthy human beings that Fromm spoke of.
I believe we can do by starting with ourselves and our communities.
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Posted by: inverse_agonist on Sep 11, 2008 12:54 PM
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Second, the following is an absurd statement:
"But psychiatry is no more scientifically relevant, as its trendy chemical-imbalance theories of mental illness have shelf-lives of about a decade, with establishment psychiatry most recently having retreated from both its serotonin-deficiency theory of depression and the excessive-dopamine theory of schizophrenia."
The POINT of science is that it's self-correcting, and that inadequate theories are revised or replaced when the evidence isn't consistent with them. If researchers in the mental illness field can abandon a once-dominant theory within a decade, isn't that evidence that the field is flexible and undogmatic?
Furthermore, everybody has known for a long time that a simple serotonin-deficiency account of depression isn't adequate, but a role for serotonin in depression is undisputed. Serotonin depletions achieved via reserpine or tryptophan-deficient diets can make some people more depressed, interactions between stress and serotonin-related genes (5-HTT) on depression have been described, and many antidepressants have some kind of serotonergic effect. What nobody knows is what happens AFTER the medication elevates serotonin levels that helps with depression. Current thinking is that it's related to levels of something called brain-derived neurotrophic factor, but that "trend" may change if someone comes up with a more plausible explanation to test.
Current thinking about schizophrenia is that it's marked by excess dopamine in the basal ganglia and insufficient dopamine in the cortex, which is one of the reasons it's difficult to treat. Lots of non-dopamine-related genes have also been linked to schizophrenia, as well.
Explanations have become more complex as our understanding of the brain advances, but that's more an argument in favor of psychiatry than against it. Is Fromm's 1955 book the last word on the subject for the author?
Third, the author sets up a false dilemma between addressing psychiatric problems and addressing cultural problems. The fact that I take an antidepressant every morning doesn't prevent me from seeing the same problems with the media, the health care system, the education system, and the war that the author sees.
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Posted by: One American Lady on Sep 11, 2008 1:36 PM
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Nothing is said, about the mentally ill Behaviors... just that this number of people, are Mentally Ill.
Between the time, this surfaced, into the Media, many people "Are Wondering Which Side of *Sanity* to which they... should / do Belong".
(As with me, many individuals, are Intolerant, to Mental Health Meds... they Worsen the Symptoms of Dysfunctional Behaviors).
Also, Many U.S. Soldiers / Veterans & Disabled Offspring of these Individuals... ARE *INTOLERANT TO MENTAL HEALTH MEDS*... as most of the PTSD, is Caused by Toxic Chemical Substances... which cause Adverse Reaction to the Central Nervous System... when the Soldier / Veteran, is Exposed to Hazardous Material.
Believe it or not, When the Meat of the Body, has a Lighter Color... (inside the body)... the Higher the Chance, that the Soldier / Veteran / Individual... will be, to Contracting Respiratory Infections / Migraine Headaches / Degeneration of the Vital Organs of the Body... which have to do with the Flow of the Fluids of the Body...
No Wonder, so many of the Soldiers are Committing Suicide... from the Real True Pain... of the Reaction to Toxicity from Exposure to Hazardous Materials... that cause the Nervous System to Malfunction.. Mild to Severe Attacks... PTSD Symptoms, which begin with a symptom of allergy... but Anti-histimines, Don't Resolve the Issue...
It takes a Med to Counteract the Toxicity.. to which the Person, has been Exposed.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Sep 11, 2008 3:55 PM
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Ultimately it was a life changing experience and has shaped my philosophical outlook and academic interests ever since.
From the article:
"how to adjust, be happy and be normal within our economic system."
We are not free. We are only free in the playground/sandbox environment that is America in the 21st century. Free to work, free to be exploited, free to spend our money. But never mistake that for real freedom.
Freedom within a framework determined by someone else is ultimately superficial and unfulfilling for certain segments of society.
This society is designed by the average for the average. Anyone at the extreme ends of the "norm" is alienated and marginalized.
I think it's time to re-read Fromm's "The Sane Society."
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Your help is needed. If you're ready for change, please share this video with all of your family and friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
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Posted by: artie on Sep 11, 2008 4:37 PM
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So, read Thomas Szasz, folks: The Myth of Mental Illness, The Manufacture of Madness (a similar title of Foucault's), and Ideology and Insanity...., then, be happy, don't worry, ...., and take your Reggae regularly...
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Sep 11, 2008 4:41 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with the author - American society is insane. Not even a little - a lot. American society and its particularly predatory form of market capitalism deforms the human spirit and generally makes intelligent and sensitive people miserable to be a part of this insane system.
The problem is, even if you realize that's it's not YOU that's insane, it's American society, unless you're wealthy enough to emigrate, you're stuck here having to deal with it. The coping with this insanity is what is needed in terms of treatment that helps people, NOT in being focused with what's wrong with you. I realize there are some people who may indeed be chemically imbalanced. But for many, many people downing the pills and wasting money on the shrinks, the most liberating thing is to know that it's not you.
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Posted by: pdxjoe on Sep 11, 2008 5:49 PM
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Secondly, a contemporary book that in many ways takes the concerns of this article as its starting point and develops it into an all out critique of how late capitalism creates these "insane" conditions. It's called "The Art of Shrinking Heads: On the New Servitude of the Liberated in the Age of Total Capitalism," by Dany Robert Dufour. From the back-cover:
"After the hell of the Nazis and the terror of Communism, it is possible that a new catastrophe has appeared on the horizon: this time it is neoliberalism that wants to create its own 'new man."
"For two centuries, Kant's critical subject and Freud's neurotic subject provided us with philosophical templates for modernity, but today modern capitalism is systematically destroying these two subjects and replacing them with something new. The two subjects of modernity both presupposed some reference to a higher value or power (like Reason) which provided a symbolic guarantor, but neoliberalism, by emphasizing the exchange of commodities in the marketplace, destroyes all transcendental references of this kind. Now human beings no longer look beyond themselves and no longer have to agree about symbolic values: they only have to get on with the circulation and consumption of goods. Deprived of his faculty of judgement and urged to enjoy himself without restraint, the 'new man' of neoliberalism takes centre stage in the era of global capitalism.
"In this biting critique of our contemporary condition Dufour shows that the radical transformation of the subject brought about by neoliberalism -- what he calls 'the art of shrinking heads' -- has far-reaching consequences for our ways of living together" (Publisher's Description).
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Posted by: radical53 on Sep 11, 2008 6:30 PM
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To me the scary thing about the 2004 election and, potentially, the 2008 election is the idea that people will vote for someone just because he or she is "one of us".
In 2004 people seemed to be saying, "Bush is a lousy President, but he's our lousy President. We're not about to vote for the other guy."
This year the choice is even clearer. Usually the choice is between the "lesser of two evils" (although "evil" is also over the top). This year we actually have a very positive choice. Still, McCain has taken the lead in the polls, just by picking a right-winger from Alaska.
I'll probably never understand it. I know I'll never accept it.
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Posted by: Liam on Sep 11, 2008 6:57 PM
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We are a crazy culture that produces crazy people who become alienated and in the extreme pick up guns and kill (usually) the innocent. I would suggest anyone who can't see this connection read a short little piece by Marx called "On Money" - it is the U.S. in 2008 and shows why we are on our way to a 2nd tier nation (if Bush hasn't put us there already - $24 billion debt to China just last month alone!!!)
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Posted by: lexicon on Sep 11, 2008 10:26 PM
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In a nutshell, it became difficult for the scottish soldier to decide which is more insane, the world of the "lunatics," or the world of the war.
In other words, "insanity" is really about context, and there's no real absolutes about it.
In truth, I wonder who is the more insane, a man who feels compelled by inner daemons to cut himself and bleed, or a man who votes for republicans who then pillage his way of life...
...if you take the view that "insanity" is acting in a way that is self-injurious,it then just becomes a matter of degree, eh?
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Posted by: mike_burns on Sep 12, 2008 5:58 PM
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Not all psychology is faith based.
Religion is the source of insanity and world hatred, from history to the present. The media pushes faith based idealisms. We can't even teach science, anymore. We are a faith based nation, running on faith based philosophies We are doomed!
God is so great, that when he took a dump, Life sprang from the fertilizer. Yes, God gives a shit!
There is your religion you can go by!
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Posted by: wisegalah on Sep 13, 2008 1:32 AM
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In other words are unable to reconcile their inner world with the outside world or even to recognise that there is an outer world.
By that standard America has long been a mad society.
Driven by internal concerns about maintaining the American way and standard of living, concerns about security, the desire to inflict its values upon the rest of the world, America has always failed to have any realistic appreciation and understanding of the interests, rights and responsibilities of non-Americans.
This is why America has had no hesitation in intervening in the affairs of other nations ands waging bloody and vindictive campaigns against them.
Two pieces of evidence of this American psychosis.
1. Bush's statement that "the American way of life is not negotiable". This is insanity pure and simple in that it shows a position of total blindness to the realities of the planet. Still you cannot expect a sensible or sane statement from many politicians, especially a psychpathic dimwit like Bush.
What is really not negotiable are the limits of the world's resources. The American way is an aberation which like all diseased societies will pass into history at some time hopefully before it has managed to destroy the everything.
2. I have found that most Americans are flabbergasted to know that the overwhelming majority of people outside America regard their country with amazement, fear and contempt. This amazement is an expression of America's primary narcissism. They think that they are the centre of the world just as every child does in infancy.
On one occasion I was with a group of Americans and in the discussion about my country there was some criticism of some of the ways we do things. I had no difficulty in discussing these issues. When however I made criticism of things American then there was shocked silence and a sulky childish withdrawal. I could not get a rational comment.
My lecturer of over forty years ago who described America as the greatest example of mass immaturity the world has known was seemingly close to the truth.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 13, 2008 5:45 PM
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I spent over 10 years working in a job that I hated. My bosses harassed me, threatened me, sabotaged my work and treated me like dirt. I spent the last 4 years of that job on antidepressants until one day I realized that it was not I who was sick; I stopped the antidepressants and quit the job. This was almost 5 years ago. I have never felt better in my life as I do now. Even when suffering extreme personal hardship and tragedy, I have not felt depressed.
Sometimes there is an external cause making us ill. Remove the cause, and the illness cures itself. We have a pharmaceutical industry that is allowed to advertise directly to consumers, which makes no sense at all. People diagnose themselves, go to their doctor and insist on being given a prescription for the drug they saw on TV. Antidepressants are big sellers for the drug industry because they have encouraged people to believe they should be happy all the time and never feel sad, and even worse, they make people believe they can't solve their problems on their own. Of all the people out there taking antidepressants, maybe one in 10 suffers from authentic clinical depression.
The same scenario applies to the diagnosis of bipolar disorder. It seems to be a hang tag diagnosis; it is so amazingly overused, and it is a convenient name to hang on some (not all) children with behavior problems, and on moody adults. My sister is bipolar. She was diagnosed many years ago. On the other hand, my daughter was incorrectly diagnosed five years ago when she went to a neurologist for headaches, and as a result, her exhusband has custody of her children and she can't go to court to challenge this because her ex always brings up her "illness." My daughter presently takes no medications and is mentally healthy, has given birth to a third child by her second husband.
I think we need to stop this obsession with feeling good all the time and look at what is making us such a miserable society in the first place.
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Posted by: strange_trp on Sep 13, 2008 6:42 PM
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But that doesn't matter to the client anymore because when serotonin stays at unusually high levels after release, relative to GABA and dopamine in the prefrontal cortex and other areas of the brain that like the neurotransmitter equalization left up to the body and not a foreign substance. It doesn't matter because the effect of that particular class of meds (SSRI, SNRI) make you not care about things that used to matter while at the same time the doctor is making suggestions to the client, essentially forming the client's new self with the help of Prozac.
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Posted by: talkville on Sep 14, 2008 4:29 AM
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Pretty much, this quote from Fromm puts it squarely. If one attends to the general MSM and even other institutional outlets, we are all being subjected to a kind of "Group Therapy" (and have for quite a few years now!), which seems to have as a goal to achieve precisely the kind of citizen above described: one who "submits to others and becomes an automaton". Not only in journalistic 'human-interest'-type stories, but in programming generally, one finds an immense effort to emphasize a complete reliance on 'experts', on civil and criminal 'authorities' and authority-figures and on all kinds of 'managed care' by agents of the Corporate-State. "Keep Your Nose Clean, Do As You're Told and Obey -- We Know."
A mere glance at the ways-and-means that were evident at the Republican Convention with respect to the demonstrations there ought to be evidence enough of what happens to those who happen to disagree and who, despite all odds, still manage to have a "sense of self" as the Fromm quote mentions.
The "Group Therapy" is working. The problem is, that it is directed not to make society more civilized or healthier; it is directed to the sole purpose of Social Control. General indications tend to show that it's working beyond the wildest dreams of this Pentagon-led bunch of Prussianizers and usurpers of a government 'of the people, for the people and by the people.
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Sep 14, 2008 6:12 AM
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During slavery days, experts argued that Black people were psychologically suited for a life of slavery, so there must be something wrong with those who rebelled.
Today, those who rebel are considered to be sick or deviant and in need of “treatment” or punishment.
What’s missing from this article is a real diagnosis:
We can't be healthy in a sick world. A global capitalist system that enriches the few at the expense of the many is sick and must be replaced.
Mental Illness or Social Sickness?
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Sep 14, 2008 9:02 AM
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When times are hard, people usually turn to things that make them feel good with the least effort. Religion very nicely provides that outlet.
For example in this society to describe a person as "God fearing" is to somehow bestow upon them admiration. Admiration that they did not have to earn in any other way. When in reality it is either a sign of mental illness or a front for other things to be fearful of invisible beings.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 14, 2008 2:05 PM
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First we need to define insanity;
1.)Schizophrenia:
a split from reality, not a split personality
2.)Psychosis:
a psyche unable to feel empathy or harm inflicted on others
Does the US fall into this category?
IMHO I think so on both counts!
Monsters are mostly Psychotics trying to feel... something...
while others are living a Schizophrenic fantasy through there MSN controlled Boxes
the truly scary thing about all this is the amount of weapons people in the US own and have!
any reasonable people will acknowledge that you don't give guns to crazy people, so why are we arming training and sending our gifted children off to kill, maim and return to us as pill popping zombies filled with an enbittered entitlement to the America they thought they fought and died for?
Insanity is usually a definition limited to an individual but this article lends itself to the nationalistic fervor gripping the nation for the past 2 decades...
Religious fervor and zeal are not solely owned by the US, but other nations such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, Palestine Pakistan, Afghanistan, India have staked claims into this fertile mentality too...
End world and Armageddon hopefuls are fanning the flames of destruction worldwide consuming multiple peoples and faiths in their end world preachings..
the list is endless and the causes sublime but traceable to religious fundamentalism and the extremes they pursue!
The US has been as insane a nation as any leading religious force on the planet.
the real tell tale of the US's insanity is;
ALLOWING A POLITICAL PROCESS THE LEEWAY TO DECLARE AN OPEN ENDED WAR ON CONCEPTS!
we're not at war people...
we are engaged world wide, on a policing action!... time to recognize it as such!
WAR... DECLARED OR UNDECLARED... THAT'S THE REAL INSANITY
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Posted by: John Ludi on Sep 14, 2008 4:17 PM
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I have long thought of Western culture as a form of mass psychosis, especially American hyper-materialism, so I really appreciated your article. Thanks!
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Posted by: rickiey on Sep 15, 2008 8:22 AM
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Check out the Mission Earth series by L.Ron Hubbard.
It is an interesting read, even if you disagree with the satirical points made about our civilization.
(plot summary: A "combat engineer" comes to earth to save the planet from the human race so it can be invaded later)
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vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com
I hope not.
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But it is also clear to any student of Scientology that the author of this article has no genuine knowledge of the subject. His statements on Scientology are unrepresentative and false. He should at least read (and understand) the book Dianetics before making such sweeping statements.
The intention of Scientology, with regard to the individual, are to restore him to true self-determinism: for him to be at cause over his own mind and life - not to "adjust" him to society. The author got it so diametrically wrong that it's almost insulting.
Students of Scientology are expected to think and evaluate for themselves the truth of any of Scientology. The only way to really evaluate Scientology (or any subject actually) is by doing it and observing for oneself - not by reading 3rd-hand material on the internet. After all, it is an intensely practical subject.
Also, it has been repeatedly independently validated, over and over, for its ability to (for example) increase intelligence.
Stewart
[I am an ordinary Scientologist, living in London, UK]
"You possibly have said to yourself or somebody has said to you, 'There is something terribly wrong with me because I want to help my fellow man.' Hardly - I think there is probably hardly a person here who hasn't had that question in his mind. 'What is the matter with me that I want to help all the stray dogs? What is the matter with me that every time I see this guy at work getting a headache or something like that, that I want to give him some help? What's the matter with me, I'm always sticking my chin out? Yeah, what's the matter with me?'
"As long as you have some desire to help your fellow man, you're probably well and when you lose it you're sick. It should be translated every time in, 'What's the matter with me that I no longer wish to help my fellow man?' That is the make-break point of a case!" - L. Ron Hubbard, 29 December 1957
"... the biggest right there is, is not the right to vote, is not the right to freedom of speech, or press, or religion or anything else. The biggest right there is in human rights is the right to help [others]!" - L. Ron Hubbard, 5 July 1958.
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Posted by: nzo on Sep 11, 2008 12:55 AM
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Various observers of insane societies have noted that they are predominantly built on a foundation of 'reasonable insanity' - the kind of socially sanctioned insanity no-one notices because everyone is embedded in it. It's the insanity of the everyday: how we live, what we do, what we say, how we treat each other, what we think.
The gradient between 'reasonably insane' and 'pathologically insane' is fuzzy. The more rooted in acquisition, greed and power, the more things move in the direction of pathologically insanity.
From the Little Hitlers inhabiting small government, to the upper echelons of grasped power, this is the domain of presidents, dictators, fundamentalists, judiciary, militarists, money-junkies and the gamut of politicians and social manipulators who follow them like a gaggle of turkeys utterly convinced that they, and only they, are right.
One of the hallmarks of the pathologically insane is that their way is always the right way.
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 11, 2008 1:33 AM
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Mental illness is a tragedy that afflicts millions of Americans. Successful treatments vary with the individual, but they all have one thing in common -- love and compassion for the victims, which this article cold-heartedly ignores, even after mentioning Eric Fromm, who authored one of my favorite books, The Art of Loving."
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Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 11, 2008 3:49 AM
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Now another such crazy person is trying to wheedle her way into the White House. So, are the American people so deluded they will let it happen again? If so, they will reap exactly what they have sown: human self-extinction on a dead planet, after which the Earth will look very much like Mars. Is that what the American people want?
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Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 11, 2008 4:00 AM
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After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance and the issues that affect their quality of life, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media full of corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.
America has become a friggin' circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. America is devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons watch every night on their TV's.
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Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 11, 2008 4:03 AM
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After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance and the issues that affect their quality of life, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media full of corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.
America has become a friggin' circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. America is devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons watch every night on their TV's.
http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 11, 2008 4:29 AM
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-The excesses (note word excesses) of the legal profession has completely destroyed any semblance commom sense
My solutions-
- implement healthy early childhhod education immediately- devoid of toxic organized religion neuro-tapes
- immediately shut down 1/3rd of US law schools
Thanks!
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Southampton,Pa
ralippin@aol.com
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Posted by: zeofredo on Sep 11, 2008 5:19 AM
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The REAL insane characteristic of our time is more universal: that money has become the measure of all things, and that we are pressured to conform to a lofty ideal of individualism that, in practice, is counter-intuitive and socially disintegrating. The West is in a trend of attacking social cohesion, but these days are also showing signs of being short-lived...
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Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 11, 2008 5:22 AM
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What makes me angriest are the media, which even as I write, are grinding out some hokey story about Sarah Palin and whether she's being unfairly attacked. She'd be still attending PTA meetings if her blend of nuttiness and looks did not serve the oil companies and other corporate interests.
I blame the media for not questioning the 9/11-Saddam Hussein connection, for relentlessly beating the drums for this hideous war in Iraq, for not pointing out that there is NO substance in McCain's promise of change, for promoting plastic surgery when people are dying for lack of health care, for taking money (and this includes PBS) from companies that are destroying the air we breathe and the water we drink...That we are buying pollution-causing flat screen TVs at an insane rate to watch sports and "reality" shows and perhaps a little faux news just shows how the very media we escape to are addicting.
No, we are not a healthy society.
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Posted by: JohnnyM on Sep 11, 2008 5:35 AM
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It is clear that the West (not just America) has lost its common sense. You or Fromm may label this as insane, but I would say what's been lost is simply common sense.
Common sense is first of all common, secondly it's sensible. There IS a right and wrong way to do or look at things, and it's inherent in us all.
We are subject to a bombardment of media (TV, News, Blogosphere, radio, etc) and are overloaded with noise. There are 500 million different opinions on this subject alone, so how can I think "critically" with all this noise? How do we re-tap this inherent sense and get back to the basics?
Shut up and listen. Not to the so-called experts but to your common sense. Once you're tapped into it things become easy. You see clearly, think critically, and best of all need no pharmaceuticals for anything.
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Posted by: Quasar on Sep 11, 2008 6:29 AM
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A state of eternal discontent.
Or, just take a look at the presidential campaign. How fucked up is that?
Call me crazy. . .
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Posted by: nfamous on Sep 11, 2008 6:42 AM
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The truth is that genetics and environment have varying degrees of influence depending of each person's DNA. There is no way known to predict how much influence our debased society will have on any particular individual but we know it has some effect. What gene would we be looking for in that case? Is there a gene that makes people value life and love more than money and fame? Who the hell knows? Humans are stupid in the scope of the entire universe. We don't even understand much about the planet or the human brain. We should call ourselves hubrans instead for humans + hubris.
What we do know is that people feel better when they are connected to meaningful relationships in life. The absence of that should be a top concern for all of us. Medicating our way out of depression by creating a zombie-lie stupor is the stuff of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
Oh and Tom Cruise is a cultish, moronic freak plain and simple but I would not dismiss the remote possibility that this planet has been visited by aliens. If it had and our government knew that they wouldn't tell us. They would use that knowledge to benefit the elite and let the rest of us die. That is what people that are bored with money do. They focus on power and control.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 11, 2008 7:24 AM
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2. Right wing radio combined with stressful commutes: the perfect propaganda vehicle.
3. Fluoridated water: used to make population passive and retarded.
4. Vaccines tainted with mercury: used to dumb down the public.
5. Massive lead pollution: used to encourage violent and aggressive tendencies in minorities.
6. Big pharma mental health "solutions" (prozac, etc): used to make people into zombies and vegetables and never address the real symptoms.
7. Sugar and corn syrup: used to overload the pancreas and spread the highly profitable diabetes.
8. Aspartame: Approved despite open and admitted and well documented dangers.
9. Genetically modified crops: huge risks both known and unknown. Small, questionable gains.
10. Ocean dead zones and massive floating fields of plastic and garbage: no outrage, no concern, no nothing. Total insanity.
This is just 10 things that is totally off the wall insane. I'm sure there's another list of 10 somewhere that's just as bad.
I didnt mention cancer...
cell phones and brain damage...
the liquidation of all public assets to pay for cops to go around tazing people...
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Now here's the scary part: this woman is stationed up north in an area where about half the population is native. Alcoholism and the accompanying problems are rampant. However, shrink school teaches ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about AA or how it works. Not to mention Al-Anon or ACOA.
That's right, the psychiatric society neither knows or cares about the only non-profit institution that has ever had any success with treating drunks. And yet, and especially in my stepsister's case, many of the patients are scarred by alcoholism.
Does booze make you crazy? Imho absolutely. Not as quickly as meth or crack, but there it is - and the pain inflicted on any hapless innocents involved persists for generations.
This is never a popular opinion, I know. I'm only saying this because, hey - every other crackpot conspiracist is on here whining about the Owners and their plans to control the sheeple (thanks max!). Yet I remain convinced that it's no coincidence that the heiress to Anheuser-Busch is poised to become the next First Lady :.(
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However, the author paints all mental health professionals, especially psychiatrists, with the same brush. I am not a mental health professional, and there are none among my family and friends, so this isn't a defense of tribe. I know personally only two psychiatrists, and both agree that our society as a whole is sick and that people who are anxious and unhappy about the state of affairs have good cause to be.
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Posted by: PaulC on Sep 11, 2008 9:29 AM
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Idiot Nation! - Nation of Idiots!
Embarrassment and laughing stock to the world
Nation of morons
Brainless clueless self-absorbed jerks
In their Monster Trucks Built Ram Tough
Zoom! Zoom! Zoom! - marketed to adults
As to children - there is no difference
In a Nation of Idiots!
Living, working, breeding, breathing
Just not thinking
In this brain-dead
Idiot Nation!
Turd Blossom
laughing smiling dancing sings
Found his place
In a Nation of Idiots
He brought us The Decider
A mean drunk illiterate
"Compassionate Conservative"
Lying SOB
Sold us down the river
In a brutal war without end
Shredded our Constitution
Tortures us all
Idiot Nation!
Apparently no one noticed
Was it on Entertainment Tonight?
Don't fret little ones
Sassy sexy Palin
Will make it alright!
Heartless killer
Religious zealot
Sassy sexy lies
Panders to oil and money
Oh, show us your thighs!
Who cares about truth
When it feels so right!
Idiot Nation!
Nation of Idiots
Nation of sheep
Our kindly CEO shepherds
Sold us out to
The Communist Chinese!
Now it is the financial wizards
Circling the carcass
Stripping the meat
It's all so confusing
Give me reality TV!
In a Nation of Idiots
Idiot Nation!
peace,
Paul
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Maybe there's something in the water? Air? Moonrocks?
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You log in and write a lengthy, well thought out comment; and, poof when you try to preview it, your post disappears and you are asked to log in!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 11, 2008 10:16 AM
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But One Crime they could be easily prosecuted for is related to mental abuse related to Exploitation.
Consider the similarity in tactics used by child predators/ sexual abusers.
They lure the child in with a lie (9/11 was an unforeseeable event- BS), they twist reality (Iraq involved with 9/11), They use fear or threats to maintain silence or captivity ( 'Vote Dem and the terrorist will get you'). Constantly repeat the 'horror' thus digging the mental hole deeper( replaying the 9/11 videos). And you have a terrified compliant captive. Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' was Right- which has led to collective 'Post Traumatic stress Syndrome'
Data alone on theincrease of prescriptions for psychotropic medications since 9/11 is hard evidence within itself. Doctors don't want to say they have been dispensing these meds needlessly. The Pharms don't want to admit they have only be producing the various varieties of anti depresssant & anti anxiety meds for no real reason- We'd be on their shit for not working on meds for ailments which are on the increase! which we are already ( Nice toe nails there in your Coffin!)
And God forbid the Neo Cons don't want to admit 9/11 has no real barring on this election- we must be afraid for them to win the national Security battle- thus the WH in Nov!
so hasn't this admin and their Corp sponsors perpetuated this Fear. Are they not employing the same tactics as a sexual predator?Hoping to elicit the same response/ results- Fear & compliance?
Wasn't their Coded 'Threat levels'a visual Threat (reinforcement) of emminent danger? Isn't 'Vote for a Dem and you will not be safe' basically a mental booby trapped Exit threat (You'll die)? Threat of reprocussions for not complying (Your family or friends will die)?
Is this Predatory mentality Not at the heart of their other crimes?
Do we not have clear, well documented and volumous evidence to support such a Prosecution?
The Republican convention speeches, videos and Police Actions support such comparisons and thus legal applications.
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Posted by: DaBear on Sep 11, 2008 10:24 AM
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Evidence to support the claim that "neither treatment has been shown..."? I'd be especially interested in reading that, just thinking aloud as a critical thinker, doc. I don't doubt you, kinda, I just wanna see the evidence.
It's interesting that Levine sweeps up the good with the bad... brings to mind that thing about babies and bathwater. It's true when my 8 year old with ADHD wiring is out in the mountains, away from the Prussian authoritaria he does just fine, mostly. But when he has to live in a world run by the most authoritarian of the "normals" he requires that Concerta to stay clear of the legal-penal system.
So, as a critical thinker, I often question the motives and the assumptions of those that tend to chuck out the perfectly good "fixes" with the trash.
When it comes to Bi-Polar and other Attention difference spectrum "disorders" I also question the efficacy of Big Pharma's marketing based approach, dressing up the same compounds as "new" drugs... so effectively marketed that people actually believe that the deep depression and mania cycles are completely manageable... until you go on Crazyboards.com or other bi-polar forums and notice that 90% of the discussion activity revolves around the shot-gun style pharma cocktails that are rife with disturbing side effects and virtually no efficacy in controlling what's really going on. There's a huge problem with the medical-problem model for "mental illness" but that doesn't change the reality of MI's existence in the population. Disbelieving the problem and conflating that disbelief with a flawed treatment apparatus is a dangerous and harmful attitude to take, especially for a shrink like the author.
As a critical thinker, that makes me wonder about the good doc's motives as well... Just saying.
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we all need some yogic and shamanic healing.
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Posted by: mnstra on Sep 11, 2008 11:34 AM
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To say that the US is an insane culture is being too understanding and nice. If we could have a diagnosis of why the country is committing such heinous acts as have been committed since the end or WW2; it would fit the description of psychopathic criminal behavior/The majority of the country the neocons, the military, the finance industry, the medical establishment, the oil companies and all the ruling elite should be behind bars.
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Crazy?
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Posted by: Urgelt on Sep 11, 2008 12:17 PM
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One problem I see is with choice of terms. "Insanity" itself is a relative term - one is "insane" only by comparison to what is accepted as "sane." There are no standards in psychology (or elsewhere) for comparing cultures or judging their relative sanity. Sociologists don't even try; instead, they rely on a possibly more useful term: functionality.
A society is a cooperative entity. To the extent that collective needs are satisfied through cooperative effort, it is functional. To the degree that those needs are not met, it is dysfunctional.
That axis, of course, begs the question: what do people need?
Although very potent thinkers like Maslow have addressed themselves to this question, need and motivation remain difficult to explain in the contemporary social sciences. Very likely one reason for this gap is a poor understanding of the biological component; e.g. the bio-electro-chemical functioning of the human brain. We can observe behaviors, but as yet, we cannot connect behaviors to the physical brain very well.
Very likely, this will change. Pharmacological treatment of mood disorders (which need not be termed insanity at all, but rather states of pain, anguish, or self-destruction) is, while still primitive, advancing. There is a good chance that, in a number of years, drugs may be discovered which are capable of weakening or strengthening cooperative behaviors, empathy, and social functioning. Likewise, advances in genetics may give us important clues as to how genes affect these functions.
Our own society is, like all societies that humanity has thus far known, a mixture of the functional and dysfunctional. Dr. Levine provides several important examples of serious dysfunction; many, many others exist. It's very important to have a deep discussion of societal dysfunction, because we are entering an age in which potent new tools will emerge for managing it, both in the individual and in the society at large. Those tools will have great potential for both harm and benefit, depending on who decides how they will be used, for what purpose, and to whose advantage.
The potential for abuse is already a concern. Psychiatrists today serve as enforcers for the status quo, strategizers for commercial advertising, instruments of a brutal criminal justice system, and, in some instances, facilitators of torture. The profession is, arguably, as dysfunctional as the society in which it is embedded.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 11, 2008 12:18 PM
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Millions of years worth. Mercury in the human body does a great many harmful things. Chief of these is developmental disabilities in embryos. It don't stop there. As it falls from the sky,in millions of tons,it gets into the water we drink and works the same on adults.
So if mental troubles are in your family or you,thank those heartless bastards in the coal industry. It's this kind of broadcast contamination from all the grandfathered coal burners that are the very reason I've always said the government 'owes us' Healthcare. It was their allowing of coal burning and the reduced air quality standards that have made us,our parents,grandparents and the great grandchildren we'll never know, to develop most of the mental disabilities we have now. It don't stop there either. Coal brought us lupis,fibromyalgia and aneurisms. Neither party will do much to change this. Clean coal is a joke because it's only the sulfurdioxide they are looking at,not mercury.
As for me...I'd rather have rotting lawn furniture and be sane than be a blithering idiot and great yard toys.
The true alternative....Wind and solar,and not the 400foot tall pieces of crap. There are a great many wind generators that produce more energy than the giant turbines and at less than half the cost in both building them and maintaining them. Where are they...the Netherlands and they crank it out at 250 watts!! Retrofit all the tall buildings with these babies and we shut down half the coal burners in America. It's time we took control of our lives away from the idiots that should'nt have it...THE CONGRESS
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In my view the point is that America is unhealthy as a society. Its unhealthy because the society does not promote health and it doesn't support it. Instead it promotes profit, power and distraction. People's true needs such as education, health care, community, healthy food and a clean environment are considered low priority or not important while the society puts most of its resources into creating wealth and power for a small group at the expense of the larger group. You get exploiting corporations out of that and you get repressive war mongering government out of that. Our society is fueled by man's base emotions of greed, fear and aggression. These low level emotions create separation, conflict and disease when they are maintained over a long period of time and the problem is compounded when they are created and maintained on a mass scale.
The only way I see our society surviving in the long term is through a shift in consciousness where what really nurtures and sustains us is placed at the top of the priority list and we put our effort, attention and resources into it. A healthy society doesn't thrive greed, isn't ruled by fear and doesn't mistake what is unhealthy for what is healthy. Only by radically restructuring our society can we create the healthy human beings that Fromm spoke of.
I believe we can do by starting with ourselves and our communities.
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Second, the following is an absurd statement:
"But psychiatry is no more scientifically relevant, as its trendy chemical-imbalance theories of mental illness have shelf-lives of about a decade, with establishment psychiatry most recently having retreated from both its serotonin-deficiency theory of depression and the excessive-dopamine theory of schizophrenia."
The POINT of science is that it's self-correcting, and that inadequate theories are revised or replaced when the evidence isn't consistent with them. If researchers in the mental illness field can abandon a once-dominant theory within a decade, isn't that evidence that the field is flexible and undogmatic?
Furthermore, everybody has known for a long time that a simple serotonin-deficiency account of depression isn't adequate, but a role for serotonin in depression is undisputed. Serotonin depletions achieved via reserpine or tryptophan-deficient diets can make some people more depressed, interactions between stress and serotonin-related genes (5-HTT) on depression have been described, and many antidepressants have some kind of serotonergic effect. What nobody knows is what happens AFTER the medication elevates serotonin levels that helps with depression. Current thinking is that it's related to levels of something called brain-derived neurotrophic factor, but that "trend" may change if someone comes up with a more plausible explanation to test.
Current thinking about schizophrenia is that it's marked by excess dopamine in the basal ganglia and insufficient dopamine in the cortex, which is one of the reasons it's difficult to treat. Lots of non-dopamine-related genes have also been linked to schizophrenia, as well.
Explanations have become more complex as our understanding of the brain advances, but that's more an argument in favor of psychiatry than against it. Is Fromm's 1955 book the last word on the subject for the author?
Third, the author sets up a false dilemma between addressing psychiatric problems and addressing cultural problems. The fact that I take an antidepressant every morning doesn't prevent me from seeing the same problems with the media, the health care system, the education system, and the war that the author sees.
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Posted by: One American Lady on Sep 11, 2008 1:36 PM
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Nothing is said, about the mentally ill Behaviors... just that this number of people, are Mentally Ill.
Between the time, this surfaced, into the Media, many people "Are Wondering Which Side of *Sanity* to which they... should / do Belong".
(As with me, many individuals, are Intolerant, to Mental Health Meds... they Worsen the Symptoms of Dysfunctional Behaviors).
Also, Many U.S. Soldiers / Veterans & Disabled Offspring of these Individuals... ARE *INTOLERANT TO MENTAL HEALTH MEDS*... as most of the PTSD, is Caused by Toxic Chemical Substances... which cause Adverse Reaction to the Central Nervous System... when the Soldier / Veteran, is Exposed to Hazardous Material.
Believe it or not, When the Meat of the Body, has a Lighter Color... (inside the body)... the Higher the Chance, that the Soldier / Veteran / Individual... will be, to Contracting Respiratory Infections / Migraine Headaches / Degeneration of the Vital Organs of the Body... which have to do with the Flow of the Fluids of the Body...
No Wonder, so many of the Soldiers are Committing Suicide... from the Real True Pain... of the Reaction to Toxicity from Exposure to Hazardous Materials... that cause the Nervous System to Malfunction.. Mild to Severe Attacks... PTSD Symptoms, which begin with a symptom of allergy... but Anti-histimines, Don't Resolve the Issue...
It takes a Med to Counteract the Toxicity.. to which the Person, has been Exposed.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Sep 11, 2008 3:55 PM
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Ultimately it was a life changing experience and has shaped my philosophical outlook and academic interests ever since.
From the article:
"how to adjust, be happy and be normal within our economic system."
We are not free. We are only free in the playground/sandbox environment that is America in the 21st century. Free to work, free to be exploited, free to spend our money. But never mistake that for real freedom.
Freedom within a framework determined by someone else is ultimately superficial and unfulfilling for certain segments of society.
This society is designed by the average for the average. Anyone at the extreme ends of the "norm" is alienated and marginalized.
I think it's time to re-read Fromm's "The Sane Society."
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Your help is needed. If you're ready for change, please share this video with all of your family and friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
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Posted by: artie on Sep 11, 2008 4:37 PM
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So, read Thomas Szasz, folks: The Myth of Mental Illness, The Manufacture of Madness (a similar title of Foucault's), and Ideology and Insanity...., then, be happy, don't worry, ...., and take your Reggae regularly...
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Sep 11, 2008 4:41 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with the author - American society is insane. Not even a little - a lot. American society and its particularly predatory form of market capitalism deforms the human spirit and generally makes intelligent and sensitive people miserable to be a part of this insane system.
The problem is, even if you realize that's it's not YOU that's insane, it's American society, unless you're wealthy enough to emigrate, you're stuck here having to deal with it. The coping with this insanity is what is needed in terms of treatment that helps people, NOT in being focused with what's wrong with you. I realize there are some people who may indeed be chemically imbalanced. But for many, many people downing the pills and wasting money on the shrinks, the most liberating thing is to know that it's not you.
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Posted by: pdxjoe on Sep 11, 2008 5:49 PM
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Secondly, a contemporary book that in many ways takes the concerns of this article as its starting point and develops it into an all out critique of how late capitalism creates these "insane" conditions. It's called "The Art of Shrinking Heads: On the New Servitude of the Liberated in the Age of Total Capitalism," by Dany Robert Dufour. From the back-cover:
"After the hell of the Nazis and the terror of Communism, it is possible that a new catastrophe has appeared on the horizon: this time it is neoliberalism that wants to create its own 'new man."
"For two centuries, Kant's critical subject and Freud's neurotic subject provided us with philosophical templates for modernity, but today modern capitalism is systematically destroying these two subjects and replacing them with something new. The two subjects of modernity both presupposed some reference to a higher value or power (like Reason) which provided a symbolic guarantor, but neoliberalism, by emphasizing the exchange of commodities in the marketplace, destroyes all transcendental references of this kind. Now human beings no longer look beyond themselves and no longer have to agree about symbolic values: they only have to get on with the circulation and consumption of goods. Deprived of his faculty of judgement and urged to enjoy himself without restraint, the 'new man' of neoliberalism takes centre stage in the era of global capitalism.
"In this biting critique of our contemporary condition Dufour shows that the radical transformation of the subject brought about by neoliberalism -- what he calls 'the art of shrinking heads' -- has far-reaching consequences for our ways of living together" (Publisher's Description).
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Posted by: radical53 on Sep 11, 2008 6:30 PM
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To me the scary thing about the 2004 election and, potentially, the 2008 election is the idea that people will vote for someone just because he or she is "one of us".
In 2004 people seemed to be saying, "Bush is a lousy President, but he's our lousy President. We're not about to vote for the other guy."
This year the choice is even clearer. Usually the choice is between the "lesser of two evils" (although "evil" is also over the top). This year we actually have a very positive choice. Still, McCain has taken the lead in the polls, just by picking a right-winger from Alaska.
I'll probably never understand it. I know I'll never accept it.
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Posted by: Liam on Sep 11, 2008 6:57 PM
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We are a crazy culture that produces crazy people who become alienated and in the extreme pick up guns and kill (usually) the innocent. I would suggest anyone who can't see this connection read a short little piece by Marx called "On Money" - it is the U.S. in 2008 and shows why we are on our way to a 2nd tier nation (if Bush hasn't put us there already - $24 billion debt to China just last month alone!!!)
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Posted by: lexicon on Sep 11, 2008 10:26 PM
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In a nutshell, it became difficult for the scottish soldier to decide which is more insane, the world of the "lunatics," or the world of the war.
In other words, "insanity" is really about context, and there's no real absolutes about it.
In truth, I wonder who is the more insane, a man who feels compelled by inner daemons to cut himself and bleed, or a man who votes for republicans who then pillage his way of life...
...if you take the view that "insanity" is acting in a way that is self-injurious,it then just becomes a matter of degree, eh?
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Posted by: mike_burns on Sep 12, 2008 5:58 PM
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Not all psychology is faith based.
Religion is the source of insanity and world hatred, from history to the present. The media pushes faith based idealisms. We can't even teach science, anymore. We are a faith based nation, running on faith based philosophies We are doomed!
God is so great, that when he took a dump, Life sprang from the fertilizer. Yes, God gives a shit!
There is your religion you can go by!
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Posted by: wisegalah on Sep 13, 2008 1:32 AM
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In other words are unable to reconcile their inner world with the outside world or even to recognise that there is an outer world.
By that standard America has long been a mad society.
Driven by internal concerns about maintaining the American way and standard of living, concerns about security, the desire to inflict its values upon the rest of the world, America has always failed to have any realistic appreciation and understanding of the interests, rights and responsibilities of non-Americans.
This is why America has had no hesitation in intervening in the affairs of other nations ands waging bloody and vindictive campaigns against them.
Two pieces of evidence of this American psychosis.
1. Bush's statement that "the American way of life is not negotiable". This is insanity pure and simple in that it shows a position of total blindness to the realities of the planet. Still you cannot expect a sensible or sane statement from many politicians, especially a psychpathic dimwit like Bush.
What is really not negotiable are the limits of the world's resources. The American way is an aberation which like all diseased societies will pass into history at some time hopefully before it has managed to destroy the everything.
2. I have found that most Americans are flabbergasted to know that the overwhelming majority of people outside America regard their country with amazement, fear and contempt. This amazement is an expression of America's primary narcissism. They think that they are the centre of the world just as every child does in infancy.
On one occasion I was with a group of Americans and in the discussion about my country there was some criticism of some of the ways we do things. I had no difficulty in discussing these issues. When however I made criticism of things American then there was shocked silence and a sulky childish withdrawal. I could not get a rational comment.
My lecturer of over forty years ago who described America as the greatest example of mass immaturity the world has known was seemingly close to the truth.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 13, 2008 5:45 PM
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I spent over 10 years working in a job that I hated. My bosses harassed me, threatened me, sabotaged my work and treated me like dirt. I spent the last 4 years of that job on antidepressants until one day I realized that it was not I who was sick; I stopped the antidepressants and quit the job. This was almost 5 years ago. I have never felt better in my life as I do now. Even when suffering extreme personal hardship and tragedy, I have not felt depressed.
Sometimes there is an external cause making us ill. Remove the cause, and the illness cures itself. We have a pharmaceutical industry that is allowed to advertise directly to consumers, which makes no sense at all. People diagnose themselves, go to their doctor and insist on being given a prescription for the drug they saw on TV. Antidepressants are big sellers for the drug industry because they have encouraged people to believe they should be happy all the time and never feel sad, and even worse, they make people believe they can't solve their problems on their own. Of all the people out there taking antidepressants, maybe one in 10 suffers from authentic clinical depression.
The same scenario applies to the diagnosis of bipolar disorder. It seems to be a hang tag diagnosis; it is so amazingly overused, and it is a convenient name to hang on some (not all) children with behavior problems, and on moody adults. My sister is bipolar. She was diagnosed many years ago. On the other hand, my daughter was incorrectly diagnosed five years ago when she went to a neurologist for headaches, and as a result, her exhusband has custody of her children and she can't go to court to challenge this because her ex always brings up her "illness." My daughter presently takes no medications and is mentally healthy, has given birth to a third child by her second husband.
I think we need to stop this obsession with feeling good all the time and look at what is making us such a miserable society in the first place.
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Posted by: strange_trp on Sep 13, 2008 6:42 PM
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But that doesn't matter to the client anymore because when serotonin stays at unusually high levels after release, relative to GABA and dopamine in the prefrontal cortex and other areas of the brain that like the neurotransmitter equalization left up to the body and not a foreign substance. It doesn't matter because the effect of that particular class of meds (SSRI, SNRI) make you not care about things that used to matter while at the same time the doctor is making suggestions to the client, essentially forming the client's new self with the help of Prozac.
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Pretty much, this quote from Fromm puts it squarely. If one attends to the general MSM and even other institutional outlets, we are all being subjected to a kind of "Group Therapy" (and have for quite a few years now!), which seems to have as a goal to achieve precisely the kind of citizen above described: one who "submits to others and becomes an automaton". Not only in journalistic 'human-interest'-type stories, but in programming generally, one finds an immense effort to emphasize a complete reliance on 'experts', on civil and criminal 'authorities' and authority-figures and on all kinds of 'managed care' by agents of the Corporate-State. "Keep Your Nose Clean, Do As You're Told and Obey -- We Know."
A mere glance at the ways-and-means that were evident at the Republican Convention with respect to the demonstrations there ought to be evidence enough of what happens to those who happen to disagree and who, despite all odds, still manage to have a "sense of self" as the Fromm quote mentions.
The "Group Therapy" is working. The problem is, that it is directed not to make society more civilized or healthier; it is directed to the sole purpose of Social Control. General indications tend to show that it's working beyond the wildest dreams of this Pentagon-led bunch of Prussianizers and usurpers of a government 'of the people, for the people and by the people.
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Sep 14, 2008 6:12 AM
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During slavery days, experts argued that Black people were psychologically suited for a life of slavery, so there must be something wrong with those who rebelled.
Today, those who rebel are considered to be sick or deviant and in need of “treatment” or punishment.
What’s missing from this article is a real diagnosis:
We can't be healthy in a sick world. A global capitalist system that enriches the few at the expense of the many is sick and must be replaced.
Mental Illness or Social Sickness?
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Sep 14, 2008 9:02 AM
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When times are hard, people usually turn to things that make them feel good with the least effort. Religion very nicely provides that outlet.
For example in this society to describe a person as "God fearing" is to somehow bestow upon them admiration. Admiration that they did not have to earn in any other way. When in reality it is either a sign of mental illness or a front for other things to be fearful of invisible beings.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 14, 2008 2:05 PM
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First we need to define insanity;
1.)Schizophrenia:
a split from reality, not a split personality
2.)Psychosis:
a psyche unable to feel empathy or harm inflicted on others
Does the US fall into this category?
IMHO I think so on both counts!
Monsters are mostly Psychotics trying to feel... something...
while others are living a Schizophrenic fantasy through there MSN controlled Boxes
the truly scary thing about all this is the amount of weapons people in the US own and have!
any reasonable people will acknowledge that you don't give guns to crazy people, so why are we arming training and sending our gifted children off to kill, maim and return to us as pill popping zombies filled with an enbittered entitlement to the America they thought they fought and died for?
Insanity is usually a definition limited to an individual but this article lends itself to the nationalistic fervor gripping the nation for the past 2 decades...
Religious fervor and zeal are not solely owned by the US, but other nations such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, Palestine Pakistan, Afghanistan, India have staked claims into this fertile mentality too...
End world and Armageddon hopefuls are fanning the flames of destruction worldwide consuming multiple peoples and faiths in their end world preachings..
the list is endless and the causes sublime but traceable to religious fundamentalism and the extremes they pursue!
The US has been as insane a nation as any leading religious force on the planet.
the real tell tale of the US's insanity is;
ALLOWING A POLITICAL PROCESS THE LEEWAY TO DECLARE AN OPEN ENDED WAR ON CONCEPTS!
we're not at war people...
we are engaged world wide, on a policing action!... time to recognize it as such!
WAR... DECLARED OR UNDECLARED... THAT'S THE REAL INSANITY
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Posted by: John Ludi on Sep 14, 2008 4:17 PM
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I have long thought of Western culture as a form of mass psychosis, especially American hyper-materialism, so I really appreciated your article. Thanks!
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Posted by: rickiey on Sep 15, 2008 8:22 AM
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Check out the Mission Earth series by L.Ron Hubbard.
It is an interesting read, even if you disagree with the satirical points made about our civilization.
(plot summary: A "combat engineer" comes to earth to save the planet from the human race so it can be invaded later)
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vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com
I hope not.
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But it is also clear to any student of Scientology that the author of this article has no genuine knowledge of the subject. His statements on Scientology are unrepresentative and false. He should at least read (and understand) the book Dianetics before making such sweeping statements.
The intention of Scientology, with regard to the individual, are to restore him to true self-determinism: for him to be at cause over his own mind and life - not to "adjust" him to society. The author got it so diametrically wrong that it's almost insulting.
Students of Scientology are expected to think and evaluate for themselves the truth of any of Scientology. The only way to really evaluate Scientology (or any subject actually) is by doing it and observing for oneself - not by reading 3rd-hand material on the internet. After all, it is an intensely practical subject.
Also, it has been repeatedly independently validated, over and over, for its ability to (for example) increase intelligence.
Stewart
[I am an ordinary Scientologist, living in London, UK]
"You possibly have said to yourself or somebody has said to you, 'There is something terribly wrong with me because I want to help my fellow man.' Hardly - I think there is probably hardly a person here who hasn't had that question in his mind. 'What is the matter with me that I want to help all the stray dogs? What is the matter with me that every time I see this guy at work getting a headache or something like that, that I want to give him some help? What's the matter with me, I'm always sticking my chin out? Yeah, what's the matter with me?'
"As long as you have some desire to help your fellow man, you're probably well and when you lose it you're sick. It should be translated every time in, 'What's the matter with me that I no longer wish to help my fellow man?' That is the make-break point of a case!" - L. Ron Hubbard, 29 December 1957
"... the biggest right there is, is not the right to vote, is not the right to freedom of speech, or press, or religion or anything else. The biggest right there is in human rights is the right to help [others]!" - L. Ron Hubbard, 5 July 1958.
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