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Big Pharma Pushes Drugs That Cause Conditions They Are Supposed to Prevent
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"Osteopenia, or the risk of developing osteoporosis, was concocted as a disease at a World Health Organization osteoporosis conference in Rome in 1992 that was sponsored by two drug companies and a drug company foundation," writes Susan Kelleher in the Seattle Times.
Using the bone density measurements or "T scores" of a 30-year-old woman as a standard, the new condition, osteopenia, had "boundaries so broad they include more than half of all women over 50," writes Kelleher. And it didn't hurt that 10,000 bone density measuring machines appeared in doctors' offices to detect the new disease -- only 750 existed in 1995 -- many owned and financed by Merck, whose anti-bone-thinning drug Fosamax came online in 1995.
No wonder doctor visits for thinning bones increased by 5 million from 1994 to 2003, according to the Associated Press.
Of course, selling "prevention" to at-risk patients is a pharma gold mine.
It keeps patients on meds for decades through fear, alarmist marketing and after-this-because-of-this reasoning -- since a patient doesn't know if she would have gotten the disease anyway.
So even when reports of Fosamax-related jaw problems called osteonecrosis surfaced -- 1,000 cases have been documented -- and even when a study in the Archives of Internal Medicine this year found that Fosamax doubled women's risk of irregular heartbeat, which can cause clots and strokes, few doubted its primary action of protecting women's bones.
But now, like hormone replacement therapy, which also exploited women's fear of aging and social marginalization, Fosamax appears to cause the conditions it's supposed to prevent.
Since 2006, articles in the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of Orthopedic Trauma, Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery, Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism and Aging Clinical and Experimental Research have suggested the anti-bone turnover action of bisphosphonate drugs like Fosamax can in some cases cause fractures.
Oops.
While preventing bone loss that is caused by the process of bone turnover or remodeling, bisphosphonate drugs can fossilize and petrify a bone so it breaks spontaneously and with minimal trauma -- like chalk. It will not heal properly.
Thighbones of patients on bisphosphonates have "simply snapped while they were walking or standing," following "weeks or months of unexplained aching," reports the New York Times.
Like other fast-tracked-to-Wall-Street drugs that are effectively "tested" on the first users, adverse reports about bisphosphonates came from patients and practitioners long before they came from the FDA or manufacturers.
Bisphosphonate patients have documented excruciating pain from Fosamax since 2001 and GlaxoSmithKline's Boniva since 2006 on askapatient.com, many calling the drugs "poison" and saying they were forced into wheelchairs.
But only in March did the FDA alert health care professionals to the "severe, sometimes incapacitating, musculoskeletal pain" that bisphosphonate drugs could cause in their patients and caution them to consider whether musculoskeletal pain "might be caused by the drug" rather than the bone condition.
Not only is the pain that bisphosphonate patients report "not in their heads" -- imagine 1,257 men on askapatient.com saying their doc dismissed their constant pain and symptomology -- it is emblematic of what is really going on.
"There is actually bone death occurring," Dr. Phuli Cohan told Mallika Marshall, M.D., a medical reporter for Boston's WBZ-TV News in May. "People don't want to believe that this is happening, but it is a side effect of the medicine," she said.
Dr. David Hunter of New England Baptist Hospital concurs that bisphosphonates can cause "dead bone syndrome" and that patients should have a "drug holiday to allow bone cells to rejuvenate," reports Marshall.
Even drug reps on the industry chat room cafepharma are skeptical about bisphosphonates.
"They over-suppress the bone and 'may' cause subtrochanter fractures. ... It's the next hot button," wrote one anonymous poster on a thread titled "Is Boniva dead?" sparked by a rumor that Boniva pitchwoman Sally Fields had fallen and broken a bone.
Nor do bisphosphonates exit the body quickly when patients quit taking them, according to a 2006 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association -- rather, they remain for years.
(Patients "need not take costly bone-building drugs such as Fosamax for life to reap the medicine's protective benefits," was the News & Observer's upbeat interpretation of the drug's tenacity.)
Will bisphosphonates be the next hormone replacement therapy? Another example of women getting the diseases they were supposed to avoid, thanks to misogynistic marketing?
Is there a market for 10,000 used bone density measuring machines?
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Posted by: talkville on Jul 24, 2008 4:10 AM
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Listen to any ad for any pharmaceutical. The list of 'possible side-effects' far outstrips the ostensible "selling point" of the medication in question. Each of those 'possible side-effects' will generate, down-the-road, a pill or a therapy of its own. A near perfect self-perpetuating Method guaranteeing the survival of the Corporate Entity in question.
The alleviation of conditions in the Whole Human Being couldn't be further from the goals or Objects of such "Science". It is not the Cure which is sought; it is "The Fight for the Cure", the Interminable and guaranteed to never be achieved Fight is what drives the system. And it sells more and generates far more revenues.
Capitalist Science; Corrupt Science. Not-Science.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 24, 2008 4:22 AM
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Too bad the victims of Big Pharma aren't the company directors and the political enablers. Here in the UK, the drug companies have never lost a major court case and the Serious Fraud Office never wins one.
As I have said elsewhere, it all goes back to the rapist-arsonist-thief and murderer William the Conquerer and the first royal charter he granted in 1067. That we are still in thrall to the baleful influences of the Norman-English empire is a little-known but rather impressive historical fact.
That's the ugly reality. We must restore the US Constitution.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 24, 2008 4:38 AM
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I refer to this as "a miracle industry turned sour".
Through a combination mostly of hubris, arrogance,and greed one could almost make the case that this industry may actually be doing more harm than good?
Furtherore another very tragic aspect of this is the erosion of trust in all of medical science and the US federal agencies that are charged with protecting the health of US citizens. Ths trust will take decades (if ever) to recover.
Personally I strongly recommend that some CEO's of Big PhRMA be indicted and be sentenced to jail time. Fines and lawsuit settlements are simply not enough.
Very sad indeed,
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: tlCampbell on Jul 24, 2008 6:08 AM
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This month, in fact, I'd gone in to report some problems that are commonly associated with hormone-related issues. Without a test or anything, I had three different brands of birth control shoved in my face "it fix, you buy!" If I hadn't been stubborn and demanded blood work first, which proved BC would have been worthless, I'd be shelling out who knows how much a month for something that I didn't need.
It's an outrageous system that needs to be fixed. Part of me wants to say let the dumb buy into it but sadly, we're all at least a little bit dumb if not only for the fact that the people we're supposed to turn to for wisdom, end up being the misleading crooks.
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Posted by: When In Doubt on Jul 24, 2008 6:50 AM
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The first night of clocking, there were 10 drug ads and two OTC drugs and ONE non drug ad in the about 27 minutes.
That held true for that week with maybe one or two fewer ads.
I decided that in truth they were making us sick as a way of increasing sales.
I stopped watching Katie.
I looked at other network programings and found they were about equal in their distribution of Pharma ads.
we have a Congress that is totally bought by industry. The FDA is on the payroll of Pharma.
You draw the conclusions.
Then Act.
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Posted by: opmoc on Jul 24, 2008 6:59 AM
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It would appear that having high blood pressure is good for you - because you get to live beyond the age of 60.
Yet how many people take drugs for it - and do the drugs cause more harm than good?
The best thing to do if you have high blood pressure is to change your diet and lifestyle, lose weight and do much more exercise.
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OK so I've watched my mother deteriorating mentally and physically over the winter. Her foot became ulcerated and this went on for months. The dermatologist said it was her prescription and still this went on.
Finally I handed my brother the book "The Body Hunters" by Sonia Shah. Now she's off of one her medications and within two weeks, she sounds like a new woman. Apparently this medication was CAUSING restless-leg-syndrome (!) as well as the ulceration and Parkinson-like tremors and delirium.
This is after MONTHS of going back and forth between various specialists trying to find out what's wrong.
I could give some other examples here but this is the most recent and a perfect illustration of the article title IMHO.
One of the hallmarks of the american TV channels is the constant stream of drug commercials. Note the irony of "Drug-Free Amerika" in this context.
I caught a recent news story on prostrate cancer. Seems that lifestyle change can actually CHANGE YOUR GENES. That's right, you can CHANGE YOUR OWN GENES through lifestyle - something so radical that modern medicine can only aspire to! Most of you probably didn't catch that particular story, because coincidentally - or not - it pretty much died in the press immediately after it was released :(
Caveat emptor :(
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Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 24, 2008 8:04 AM
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Many drugs should not be taken at the same time certain other drugs are taken
Learn both drug's peak of action if it should not be taken with another drug.
Also be sure to learn if it should or not be taken with food.
For example, antibiotics should no be taken then drink milk, this nullifies the drug and nobody benefits except the doctor who prescribed it and the big pharma who made it
Also don't rush to be the first one to take the latest wonder drug foisted on an unsuspecting public.
I read some good advice Never take a drug till it has been in the market at least 5 years
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I would, however, suggest four point restraints, and large quantities of thioridazine, olanzapine and haloperidol. The fatigue they'll experience from this combo will reduce their ability to function, which might prevent them from continuing to directly contribute to people's deaths (especially those in third world countries who are unable to obtain affordable HIV medication due to the TRIPS agreement).
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Posted by: wireup on Jul 24, 2008 11:08 AM
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I walk a great deal - miles every day; take lots of vitamin D; use various supplements (calcium, magnesium, boron, etc. etc.) and herbs, and avoid all medications (I don't even keep aspirin in my home).
Recently had a bone scan and it shows an increase in bone density. I am no longer diagnosed as having osteoporosis!!!!
HOORAY!!!!!
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They put the fear of blockage into people and sold pills instead of less meat/animal fats, exercise and more plant food sources. Now, we see that SUGAR plays a role in cholesterol levels -- simple sugar effects levels.
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Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus on Jul 24, 2008 1:16 PM
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Someone estimated it will cause the death of 3 billion people from starvation and another 2 billion deaths from vitamin deficiency.
Do some research Codex Alimentarius
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Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Jul 24, 2008 9:15 PM
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:12-14) The academy has created an American royalty, with "DEGREES OF NOBILITY"!!!(What is your rank in the human food chain) How many people have to be sick at any given time, to keep the hospitals, and doctors... in business??? How many people have to die, in order to keep the funeral homes, and morticians in business??? How many crimes have to be committed, in order to keep prisons full, and the courts busy, to keep the lawyers, judges, and politicians feed??? OUT OF KAOS COMES ORDER!!! It's all part of the plan!!! Capitalism, and Darwinism has become Americas new religion!!! The academy, may have the knowledge of good and evil, but they just don't have the wisdom to tell the difference!!!
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Posted by: wireup on Jul 24, 2008 10:07 PM
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I'd call this a serious CONFLICT OF INTEREST. The regulated are paying the budget of the regulator!!!!
Do the research.
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Posted by: seaseal on Jul 28, 2008 11:41 PM
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Check out the president-elect of the American Psychiatric Association, found to have skipped some information on research about giving antidepressants to children: he left out that suicidality increased. Ooops. Then he neglected to mention that his "over $100,000" from the pharma that manufactured the antidepressant actually was $6 million. NYT has the story.
Most profitable medical situation: involuntary hospitalization. Only doctors able to give involuntary treatment: psychiatrists. If patients complain about the drug's effect--and keep in mind there are no side effects, only effects--the doctor merely prescribes more drugs. This is extremely lucrative. My friend's son is being forced to take sometimes as many as seven antipsychotic drugs a day.
I am seeing all the things they warned us about in high school about the Soviet Union-- especially the gulag treatments: locked "hospitals" in remote sites for people called dissidents--happening here now. Watch out.
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THREE years ago, one of the speakers ( an MD.and ND asked the audience members who were on 'fosamax' or its equivalent to raise their hand; almost 95% of the audience did....he then told us that these biophosphonates DRIED OUT THE BONES so that if/when you did have a fall/fracture, it couldn't heal properly and he warned about staying on them....my rheumatologist pooh-poohed it when I told him about it....
I recently developed GERD, probably from Fosamax, so now he's taken me off it!!!
Drugs are not thoroughly tested before FDA 'approval' and long term side effects become known when we the guinea pigs get sick.
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Posted by: mpreb658@earthlink.net on Jul 30, 2008 9:38 AM
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Here's another interesting note. A new "disease" is being created, which, of course, means a new drug is desirable. This new condition is precognitive disorder. In other words, you are in trouble if you have yet to experience dementia.
Two doctors in town whom I know of tried the same thing with some of their patients. Their phraseology was nearly identical, and thus it was easy to surmise a hot shot salesman had been around to tout sleep apnea, which requires special testing and equipment for the patient to use at night.
One more. A doctor kept wheeling into my examining room a small computerized machine, by which he determined every blood vessel in the upper half of my body was totally clogged. His remedy: Another blood pressure drug--at twice the normal dosage--and a doubling of one already being taken. I don't think I have gotten over the effects of that new drug, and I wonder why he didn't instead hustle me to the hospital for emergency help. I have since left him, suspecting him of sleeping with the drug companies. Incidentally, no one else seems to have heard of this machine, and I long ago threw away the pills.
As my present doctor says, I can only do what the numbers say. I am old enough to remember when they used their minds and common sense, usually arriving at a good outcome for their patients. Now, it seems, patients are sicker after seeing their doctors.
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Posted by: talkville on Jul 24, 2008 4:10 AM
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Listen to any ad for any pharmaceutical. The list of 'possible side-effects' far outstrips the ostensible "selling point" of the medication in question. Each of those 'possible side-effects' will generate, down-the-road, a pill or a therapy of its own. A near perfect self-perpetuating Method guaranteeing the survival of the Corporate Entity in question.
The alleviation of conditions in the Whole Human Being couldn't be further from the goals or Objects of such "Science". It is not the Cure which is sought; it is "The Fight for the Cure", the Interminable and guaranteed to never be achieved Fight is what drives the system. And it sells more and generates far more revenues.
Capitalist Science; Corrupt Science. Not-Science.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 24, 2008 4:22 AM
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Too bad the victims of Big Pharma aren't the company directors and the political enablers. Here in the UK, the drug companies have never lost a major court case and the Serious Fraud Office never wins one.
As I have said elsewhere, it all goes back to the rapist-arsonist-thief and murderer William the Conquerer and the first royal charter he granted in 1067. That we are still in thrall to the baleful influences of the Norman-English empire is a little-known but rather impressive historical fact.
That's the ugly reality. We must restore the US Constitution.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 24, 2008 4:38 AM
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I refer to this as "a miracle industry turned sour".
Through a combination mostly of hubris, arrogance,and greed one could almost make the case that this industry may actually be doing more harm than good?
Furtherore another very tragic aspect of this is the erosion of trust in all of medical science and the US federal agencies that are charged with protecting the health of US citizens. Ths trust will take decades (if ever) to recover.
Personally I strongly recommend that some CEO's of Big PhRMA be indicted and be sentenced to jail time. Fines and lawsuit settlements are simply not enough.
Very sad indeed,
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
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Posted by: tlCampbell on Jul 24, 2008 6:08 AM
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This month, in fact, I'd gone in to report some problems that are commonly associated with hormone-related issues. Without a test or anything, I had three different brands of birth control shoved in my face "it fix, you buy!" If I hadn't been stubborn and demanded blood work first, which proved BC would have been worthless, I'd be shelling out who knows how much a month for something that I didn't need.
It's an outrageous system that needs to be fixed. Part of me wants to say let the dumb buy into it but sadly, we're all at least a little bit dumb if not only for the fact that the people we're supposed to turn to for wisdom, end up being the misleading crooks.
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Posted by: When In Doubt on Jul 24, 2008 6:50 AM
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The first night of clocking, there were 10 drug ads and two OTC drugs and ONE non drug ad in the about 27 minutes.
That held true for that week with maybe one or two fewer ads.
I decided that in truth they were making us sick as a way of increasing sales.
I stopped watching Katie.
I looked at other network programings and found they were about equal in their distribution of Pharma ads.
we have a Congress that is totally bought by industry. The FDA is on the payroll of Pharma.
You draw the conclusions.
Then Act.
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Posted by: opmoc on Jul 24, 2008 6:59 AM
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It would appear that having high blood pressure is good for you - because you get to live beyond the age of 60.
Yet how many people take drugs for it - and do the drugs cause more harm than good?
The best thing to do if you have high blood pressure is to change your diet and lifestyle, lose weight and do much more exercise.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Jul 24, 2008 7:17 AM
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OK so I've watched my mother deteriorating mentally and physically over the winter. Her foot became ulcerated and this went on for months. The dermatologist said it was her prescription and still this went on.
Finally I handed my brother the book "The Body Hunters" by Sonia Shah. Now she's off of one her medications and within two weeks, she sounds like a new woman. Apparently this medication was CAUSING restless-leg-syndrome (!) as well as the ulceration and Parkinson-like tremors and delirium.
This is after MONTHS of going back and forth between various specialists trying to find out what's wrong.
I could give some other examples here but this is the most recent and a perfect illustration of the article title IMHO.
One of the hallmarks of the american TV channels is the constant stream of drug commercials. Note the irony of "Drug-Free Amerika" in this context.
I caught a recent news story on prostrate cancer. Seems that lifestyle change can actually CHANGE YOUR GENES. That's right, you can CHANGE YOUR OWN GENES through lifestyle - something so radical that modern medicine can only aspire to! Most of you probably didn't catch that particular story, because coincidentally - or not - it pretty much died in the press immediately after it was released :(
Caveat emptor :(
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» Lamarckian bullsh*t
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Many drugs should not be taken at the same time certain other drugs are taken
Learn both drug's peak of action if it should not be taken with another drug.
Also be sure to learn if it should or not be taken with food.
For example, antibiotics should no be taken then drink milk, this nullifies the drug and nobody benefits except the doctor who prescribed it and the big pharma who made it
Also don't rush to be the first one to take the latest wonder drug foisted on an unsuspecting public.
I read some good advice Never take a drug till it has been in the market at least 5 years
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I would, however, suggest four point restraints, and large quantities of thioridazine, olanzapine and haloperidol. The fatigue they'll experience from this combo will reduce their ability to function, which might prevent them from continuing to directly contribute to people's deaths (especially those in third world countries who are unable to obtain affordable HIV medication due to the TRIPS agreement).
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» My mother is case in point...
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Posted by: wireup on Jul 24, 2008 11:08 AM
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I walk a great deal - miles every day; take lots of vitamin D; use various supplements (calcium, magnesium, boron, etc. etc.) and herbs, and avoid all medications (I don't even keep aspirin in my home).
Recently had a bone scan and it shows an increase in bone density. I am no longer diagnosed as having osteoporosis!!!!
HOORAY!!!!!
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They put the fear of blockage into people and sold pills instead of less meat/animal fats, exercise and more plant food sources. Now, we see that SUGAR plays a role in cholesterol levels -- simple sugar effects levels.
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Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus on Jul 24, 2008 1:16 PM
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Someone estimated it will cause the death of 3 billion people from starvation and another 2 billion deaths from vitamin deficiency.
Do some research Codex Alimentarius
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» WHEN I LEFT UNIVERSITY I WORKED FOR A TIME IN THE CORPORATE
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:12-14) The academy has created an American royalty, with "DEGREES OF NOBILITY"!!!(What is your rank in the human food chain) How many people have to be sick at any given time, to keep the hospitals, and doctors... in business??? How many people have to die, in order to keep the funeral homes, and morticians in business??? How many crimes have to be committed, in order to keep prisons full, and the courts busy, to keep the lawyers, judges, and politicians feed??? OUT OF KAOS COMES ORDER!!! It's all part of the plan!!! Capitalism, and Darwinism has become Americas new religion!!! The academy, may have the knowledge of good and evil, but they just don't have the wisdom to tell the difference!!!
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I'd call this a serious CONFLICT OF INTEREST. The regulated are paying the budget of the regulator!!!!
Do the research.
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Check out the president-elect of the American Psychiatric Association, found to have skipped some information on research about giving antidepressants to children: he left out that suicidality increased. Ooops. Then he neglected to mention that his "over $100,000" from the pharma that manufactured the antidepressant actually was $6 million. NYT has the story.
Most profitable medical situation: involuntary hospitalization. Only doctors able to give involuntary treatment: psychiatrists. If patients complain about the drug's effect--and keep in mind there are no side effects, only effects--the doctor merely prescribes more drugs. This is extremely lucrative. My friend's son is being forced to take sometimes as many as seven antipsychotic drugs a day.
I am seeing all the things they warned us about in high school about the Soviet Union-- especially the gulag treatments: locked "hospitals" in remote sites for people called dissidents--happening here now. Watch out.
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THREE years ago, one of the speakers ( an MD.and ND asked the audience members who were on 'fosamax' or its equivalent to raise their hand; almost 95% of the audience did....he then told us that these biophosphonates DRIED OUT THE BONES so that if/when you did have a fall/fracture, it couldn't heal properly and he warned about staying on them....my rheumatologist pooh-poohed it when I told him about it....
I recently developed GERD, probably from Fosamax, so now he's taken me off it!!!
Drugs are not thoroughly tested before FDA 'approval' and long term side effects become known when we the guinea pigs get sick.
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Here's another interesting note. A new "disease" is being created, which, of course, means a new drug is desirable. This new condition is precognitive disorder. In other words, you are in trouble if you have yet to experience dementia.
Two doctors in town whom I know of tried the same thing with some of their patients. Their phraseology was nearly identical, and thus it was easy to surmise a hot shot salesman had been around to tout sleep apnea, which requires special testing and equipment for the patient to use at night.
One more. A doctor kept wheeling into my examining room a small computerized machine, by which he determined every blood vessel in the upper half of my body was totally clogged. His remedy: Another blood pressure drug--at twice the normal dosage--and a doubling of one already being taken. I don't think I have gotten over the effects of that new drug, and I wonder why he didn't instead hustle me to the hospital for emergency help. I have since left him, suspecting him of sleeping with the drug companies. Incidentally, no one else seems to have heard of this machine, and I long ago threw away the pills.
As my present doctor says, I can only do what the numbers say. I am old enough to remember when they used their minds and common sense, usually arriving at a good outcome for their patients. Now, it seems, patients are sicker after seeing their doctors.
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