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Echoes of Vietnam: VA Stalls, Dissembles While Vets Suffer and Die
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Among those documents was an e-mail written by the now-infamous Norma Perez. It read: "Given that we have more and more compensation-seeking veterans, I'd like to suggest that you refrain from giving a diagnosis of PTSD straight out. Consider a diagnosis of adjustment disorder, R/O [ruling out] PTSD."
Bob Filner, chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, said it was inconceivable that a low-level staffer like Perez could have written such an e-mail on her own authority. Barack Obama called it "unacceptable" and "tantamount to fraud." John McCain called it "not too important."
Lost somehow in the high-decibel rhetoric of the moment is a historical dimension of this story that I think deserves some attention. This is not the first time the VA has acted as adversary rather than advocate. Thirty years ago, almost to the day, Max Cleland, then head of the VA, circulated an equally directive memo to his staff that read:
In view of the remaining uncertainties on the long-term effects of the defoliants, all VA personnel should avoid premature commitment to any diagnosis of defoliant poisoning. Similarly, entries in medical records should not contain statements about the relationship between a veteran's illnesses and defoliant exposure unless unequivocal confirmation of such a connection has been established.(The defoliants Cleland refers to were Agent Orange and other dioxin-based chemicals the United States sprayed over Vietnam.)
In the meantime, Cleland instructed VA staff to deny all Agent Orange claims. He also refused to undertake any kind of epidemiological study because, he claimed, the necessary outreach to veterans would only cause them "needless anxiety."
Then, as now, veterans' "anxiety" was a hot topic at the VA. In testimony before the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in February 1980, Cleland justified the agency's practice of first, and often exclusively, giving veterans with dioxin-related symptoms psychiatric exams. Obviously, he explained to the committee, if "in FY 1979, 46 percent (of veterans) had received care for psychiatric disorders," that proved, ipso facto, that psychiatric care was what they needed. They were suffering from "post-Vietnam syndrome." All their symptoms were in their heads. Veterans tried to sue the VA over its "no health effects" policy, but the agency took the rather astonishing position that veterans had "no standing" to challenge the policies. They were allowed to sue the chemical manufacturers, but not the U.S. government, the entity that bought the poison and ordered it spread -- in concentrations four times that recommended for civilian use and with total disregard for the health and safety of its own soldiers and Vietnamese citizens. Veterans' lawyers suggested that the VA's position would lead "to a government of men, not law."
A prescient observation.
In a manner usually associated with totalitarian regimes, veterans were called "crazy" and thus dismissed, stigmatized and silenced. Paul Reutershan, who courageously initiated the class-action lawsuit against the chemical companies in 1978, told a television audience at the time, "My government killed me in Vietnam, and I didn't even know it." Five months later, Reutershan was permanently silenced when he died of his illnesses. The longer the VA stalled, the more veterans died.
Reutershan was not, however, the original whistleblower. In 1977, Maude DeVictor, a VA caseworker in Chicago, began to notice a pattern of unusual birth defects in Vietnam veterans' children. She began to keep a log of these cases, at least initially with her supervisors' permission, accumulating a devastating, if circumstantial, body of evidence suggesting a strong link to dioxin poisoning. Suddenly, without explanation, her boss ordered her to stop. DeVictor decided to go to the media. On March 23, 1978, WBBM, the CBS television affiliate in Chicago, aired an hourlong documentary on the health effects of Agent Orange, including interviews with veterans and scientists. DeVictor was fired from her job and banned from full-time government work.
Which brings us back to today.
Veterans for Common Sense, one of the plaintiffs in the latest lawsuit, called Judge Conti's recent ruling "an important victory for veterans." And I suppose that it might be, if the VA can be forced to start doing its job. After seven years of preposterous, viciously cruel and far-too-often lethal gamesmanship, it would feel good to see the bad guys slapped around -- even just a little bit. And the fallout from such a court order, if one could be made binding, would certainly ease the betrayal and perhaps even the suffering of veterans. It might also help convince Americans that our big-stick militarism is a far more expensive solution to our international problems than they have been led to believe.
But what has really changed?
I find it deeply ironic that the very physical effects of dioxin were once dismissed as merely psychological, not compensable service-connected injuries. With the inclusion of posttraumatic stress disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, such psychic injuries are acknowledged, yet the VA is still using the same tools of denial and obfuscation to refuse treatment to injured vets. The agency has proven itself over time to be far more committed to protecting the bottom line for "a government of men" than to protecting its rightful charges. Perhaps if the agency were no longer the fiefdom of political appointees, its policies would not be so predictably callous and politically expedient.
And where are the Maude DeVictors in this generation's VA? How is it that policies are set and directives come down from above, stinking of injustice, and yet a staff that, at least in my experience, is largely made up of honorable, compassionate professionals carries them out without protest? Since this generation of soldiers began coming home, psychically injured in numbers never seen (or acknowledged?) before, a steadily increasing number of reports accuses the agency of everything from indifference to gross medical malfeasance. That's corporate for "murder." The VA may be tantamount to a corporation, but those who individually carry out those policies and directives have also chosen. Like Maude DeVictor, they could have said no.
On the entrance to the Washington, D.C., headquarters of the Department of Veterans Affairs is a metal plaque that bears these words, taken from Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address: "To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan."
That plaque is an affront and an offense to those who have been so heartlessly treated, and someone should order it taken down. Or, maybe it's time to take matters into our own hands. Maybe, to paraphrase Abbie Hoffman, it's time to steal this plaque.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 4, 2008 1:16 AM
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We the people have bought the line "that government is the problem" this hook,line, and sinker. We have no even begun to reap the benefits from those lies. Therefore when you hear that the Dept. of Defense has this huge bloated budget just know that most of that money is going to that military-industrial-complex not to the troops.
The V.A. being a government office run by cronyism has been severely underfunded for many, many years. Did you know there is a body chart with percentages for each limb that can be affected (below the knee amputation=8% for example), no I'm not kidding.
The V.A. does need to be overhauled but this is what happens when we allow the fox to guard the henhouse. The children that we have allowed to go and fight this war are being damaged, and yet we know nothing and want to believe what the "politians" tell us.
Know this in order to enter the military all recruits are subjected to a battery of tests both before they enter and while in boot camp. This is where those with "issues" are weeded out. To say that these young men and women are coming back and they are being summarily ousted and then told that they had these problems before they went in is really a travesty.
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Posted by: nonaste on Jul 4, 2008 3:48 AM
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Posted by: Turiye on Jul 4, 2008 4:28 AM
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There is a bill in the house which was passed on to the Senate so now it's in the Military Committee, subcommittee Military Personnel, I do not have the bill number and I have thousands of bill Text in my computer room, so I think it is H.R.2187, go to thomas.gov and search using bill text, use the words "Temporary Moratorium on Active Duty returning for 45 days until complete disgnosis by trained Personnel" and that should get you there, I will go through my documents and find it, I will also give you 2 Toll frees so you can call your Reps. and Senators, see if they are on Committee of Miltary, subcommittee Military Personnel, thanks.
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Posted by: wgriff3245 on Jul 4, 2008 6:00 AM
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What is our nation, our government, or the military doing? Absolutely nothing. I have come to the conclusion that the US Government and the US military has turned it's collective backs on us so-called REMF's with their "Boots On The Ground" policy and the "Feres Doctrine", therefore I have turned my back on it. I have requested that the flag of the murders, not cover my coffin. Until, that final day, I will talk to any young person who is considering a stint in the military and informed them about the real reason why the US want them to serve in the military. To let them know that those who serve and give the most, will in the end get noththing. Let those that benefit the most serve and die for this country. We all died in Southeast Asia, and this nation did have the balls to tell us. I no longer refer to myself as a Veteran but as a "Murder Victim". Call it what you will, this nation is a disgrace.
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Posted by: terryton on Jul 4, 2008 7:31 AM
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Posted by: bobhandy on Jul 4, 2008 8:22 AM
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While we are disappointed with Judge Conti's decision that he lacked jurisdiction, and do not agree that we did not prove the “systemic” nature of these problems, this outcome is far from being all bad. We knew that it was a crap shoot going in, but we were sure that he had the necessary jurisdiction. We also knew that no matter how he decided, the case would most likely end up before the Supreme Court. Of course we had hoped to be defending Judge Conti's decision against an appeal by the DVA; now we will be appealing his decision in the Ninth Circuit.
When we started out, we knew that we were in it for the long haul. We won round one, just by getting the case heard in federal court, since the DVA and the Department of Justice both attempted multiple times to have us disqualified as plaintiffs, and denied that the federal court had any right even to examine DVA procedures and policies..
We lost part of round two. It may be a setback, but it succeeded in large part since Judge Conti’s ruling expressed agreement with much of our complaint. Additionally The DVA has been exposed not only to the Congress, but also to the national and international media, who have stepped up their reporting on the shoddy treatment that the VA has been providing to returning veterans, and to the repeated delay and denial of service by the DVA..
Americas veterans will be forever in the debt of Morrison & Foerster, LLP and Disability Rights Advocates, the two law firms that took on the DVA pro bono.
Bob Handy, HMC USN (Ret)
Chair, Veterans United For Truth. Inc
www.vuft.org
PO Box 4476
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805 962 9082
805 455 5259 cell
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Posted by: michaelo on Jul 4, 2008 1:07 PM
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As deep as the empathy we have for the Vets of then and now, only the Vets can vanguard the action necessary to put an end to the cruel, callous negligence of Congress, the Senate and thus, the VA and military hospital system that treats them as "spent cartridges."
Until the day that the Vets say "basta," "enough" and march on Congress (forget the dictator in the White House - he is a coward and a traitor,)and the Senate, participating in non-violent direct action, organizing the support that is waiting for them in EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS NATION...nothing ---- nothing will change -- Obama included.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 5, 2008 9:18 AM
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Our men and women in uniform get the treatment they get both over there and once they come home all f----- up for the same reason we're still over there - because only their families and other vets (like me) really give a damn.
People like the author of this article will pay lip service, while everything stays the same. As I remarked concerning another essay here, capitalism is about profit and minimizing expense. Medical expenses are costly in a nation where a doctor gets more for an hour of his time than a soldier gets in a week (or a social security recipient gets in a month); where do you think the govbernment run like a corporation will cut expenses?
And lip service is cheap by comparison, too.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 5, 2008 9:20 AM
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Posted by: 8 nontheist on Jul 5, 2008 4:07 PM
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Congress will also have to fully fund the VA. Directing the VA to pay for care in a community facility when the VA doesn't have a bed for the veteran, staff to treat the veteran properly, or a VA facility is more than 30 miles from the veterans home will prevent the VA from using any pretext for not providing a veteran all benefits due to the veteran at once. The VA has earned a reputation for not hiring adequate staff promptly & unreasonable delays in building or remodeling VA facilities.
Allowing & encouraging the veteran to get care in the veterans community prevents undue absences from family & the VA warehousing veterans as the VA had done in the past.
The Congress should consider allowing liberal benefits to VA employees to separate burnt out &/or time servers. Then the VA could hire employees who make serving veterans their mission. The Congress will have to closely monitor the VA to prevent the VA from backsliding into old anti-veteran attitudes & practices such as cronyism & time serving. When the VA hires contractors to examine &/or rate a veterans disability claims, special care must be taken so the VA doesn't practice cronyism by hiring former associates or friends.
This isn't the time to portion blame to the executive or legislative branches for allowing the VA to become unresponsive to a veteran's needs & welfare. To put it very mildly, the VA hasn't been user or consumer friendly for many years. The VA must be reformed & rebuilt to serve veterans promptly & properly.
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Posted by: Roman General on Jul 11, 2008 3:59 AM
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That is the mode of survival, now take out the danger part, you are safe. YOU KNOW you are safe, but that nagging sense that tells you "YOU ARE IN DANGER" for your life remains. You FEEL it in your bones, your rational mind says otherwise, but that doesn't take away the feeling that something is going to go wrong, terribly wrong. Imagine wanting to jump out of your skin, literally thats how it feels.
This can drive a person crazy, it does on a daily basis. Ok, now imagine that YOU DO NOT KNOW that you have this condition. Ok, now throw in the fear! Go out into the world and see how long it takes for you to find some trouble. See if you can properly discern an appropriate response in everyday situations, as regular social interactions have become a threat to you. You don't know why, but you just know it. Ok, throw in some denial. Alright a bunch of denial. See if you don't end up divorced, incarcerated, homeless, unemployable, homicidal, suicidal or dead.
PTSD, A soldier's Perspective
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 4, 2008 1:16 AM
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We the people have bought the line "that government is the problem" this hook,line, and sinker. We have no even begun to reap the benefits from those lies. Therefore when you hear that the Dept. of Defense has this huge bloated budget just know that most of that money is going to that military-industrial-complex not to the troops.
The V.A. being a government office run by cronyism has been severely underfunded for many, many years. Did you know there is a body chart with percentages for each limb that can be affected (below the knee amputation=8% for example), no I'm not kidding.
The V.A. does need to be overhauled but this is what happens when we allow the fox to guard the henhouse. The children that we have allowed to go and fight this war are being damaged, and yet we know nothing and want to believe what the "politians" tell us.
Know this in order to enter the military all recruits are subjected to a battery of tests both before they enter and while in boot camp. This is where those with "issues" are weeded out. To say that these young men and women are coming back and they are being summarily ousted and then told that they had these problems before they went in is really a travesty.
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Posted by: nonaste on Jul 4, 2008 3:48 AM
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McCain is a piece of right-wing s**t, plain and simple.
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Posted by: Turiye on Jul 4, 2008 4:28 AM
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There is a bill in the house which was passed on to the Senate so now it's in the Military Committee, subcommittee Military Personnel, I do not have the bill number and I have thousands of bill Text in my computer room, so I think it is H.R.2187, go to thomas.gov and search using bill text, use the words "Temporary Moratorium on Active Duty returning for 45 days until complete disgnosis by trained Personnel" and that should get you there, I will go through my documents and find it, I will also give you 2 Toll frees so you can call your Reps. and Senators, see if they are on Committee of Miltary, subcommittee Military Personnel, thanks.
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Posted by: wgriff3245 on Jul 4, 2008 6:00 AM
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What is our nation, our government, or the military doing? Absolutely nothing. I have come to the conclusion that the US Government and the US military has turned it's collective backs on us so-called REMF's with their "Boots On The Ground" policy and the "Feres Doctrine", therefore I have turned my back on it. I have requested that the flag of the murders, not cover my coffin. Until, that final day, I will talk to any young person who is considering a stint in the military and informed them about the real reason why the US want them to serve in the military. To let them know that those who serve and give the most, will in the end get noththing. Let those that benefit the most serve and die for this country. We all died in Southeast Asia, and this nation did have the balls to tell us. I no longer refer to myself as a Veteran but as a "Murder Victim". Call it what you will, this nation is a disgrace.
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Posted by: terryton on Jul 4, 2008 7:31 AM
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Posted by: bobhandy on Jul 4, 2008 8:22 AM
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While we are disappointed with Judge Conti's decision that he lacked jurisdiction, and do not agree that we did not prove the “systemic” nature of these problems, this outcome is far from being all bad. We knew that it was a crap shoot going in, but we were sure that he had the necessary jurisdiction. We also knew that no matter how he decided, the case would most likely end up before the Supreme Court. Of course we had hoped to be defending Judge Conti's decision against an appeal by the DVA; now we will be appealing his decision in the Ninth Circuit.
When we started out, we knew that we were in it for the long haul. We won round one, just by getting the case heard in federal court, since the DVA and the Department of Justice both attempted multiple times to have us disqualified as plaintiffs, and denied that the federal court had any right even to examine DVA procedures and policies..
We lost part of round two. It may be a setback, but it succeeded in large part since Judge Conti’s ruling expressed agreement with much of our complaint. Additionally The DVA has been exposed not only to the Congress, but also to the national and international media, who have stepped up their reporting on the shoddy treatment that the VA has been providing to returning veterans, and to the repeated delay and denial of service by the DVA..
Americas veterans will be forever in the debt of Morrison & Foerster, LLP and Disability Rights Advocates, the two law firms that took on the DVA pro bono.
Bob Handy, HMC USN (Ret)
Chair, Veterans United For Truth. Inc
www.vuft.org
PO Box 4476
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805 962 9082
805 455 5259 cell
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Posted by: michaelo on Jul 4, 2008 1:07 PM
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As deep as the empathy we have for the Vets of then and now, only the Vets can vanguard the action necessary to put an end to the cruel, callous negligence of Congress, the Senate and thus, the VA and military hospital system that treats them as "spent cartridges."
Until the day that the Vets say "basta," "enough" and march on Congress (forget the dictator in the White House - he is a coward and a traitor,)and the Senate, participating in non-violent direct action, organizing the support that is waiting for them in EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS NATION...nothing ---- nothing will change -- Obama included.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 5, 2008 9:18 AM
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Our men and women in uniform get the treatment they get both over there and once they come home all f----- up for the same reason we're still over there - because only their families and other vets (like me) really give a damn.
People like the author of this article will pay lip service, while everything stays the same. As I remarked concerning another essay here, capitalism is about profit and minimizing expense. Medical expenses are costly in a nation where a doctor gets more for an hour of his time than a soldier gets in a week (or a social security recipient gets in a month); where do you think the govbernment run like a corporation will cut expenses?
And lip service is cheap by comparison, too.
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Posted by: 8 nontheist on Jul 5, 2008 4:07 PM
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Congress will also have to fully fund the VA. Directing the VA to pay for care in a community facility when the VA doesn't have a bed for the veteran, staff to treat the veteran properly, or a VA facility is more than 30 miles from the veterans home will prevent the VA from using any pretext for not providing a veteran all benefits due to the veteran at once. The VA has earned a reputation for not hiring adequate staff promptly & unreasonable delays in building or remodeling VA facilities.
Allowing & encouraging the veteran to get care in the veterans community prevents undue absences from family & the VA warehousing veterans as the VA had done in the past.
The Congress should consider allowing liberal benefits to VA employees to separate burnt out &/or time servers. Then the VA could hire employees who make serving veterans their mission. The Congress will have to closely monitor the VA to prevent the VA from backsliding into old anti-veteran attitudes & practices such as cronyism & time serving. When the VA hires contractors to examine &/or rate a veterans disability claims, special care must be taken so the VA doesn't practice cronyism by hiring former associates or friends.
This isn't the time to portion blame to the executive or legislative branches for allowing the VA to become unresponsive to a veteran's needs & welfare. To put it very mildly, the VA hasn't been user or consumer friendly for many years. The VA must be reformed & rebuilt to serve veterans promptly & properly.
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Posted by: Roman General on Jul 11, 2008 3:59 AM
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That is the mode of survival, now take out the danger part, you are safe. YOU KNOW you are safe, but that nagging sense that tells you "YOU ARE IN DANGER" for your life remains. You FEEL it in your bones, your rational mind says otherwise, but that doesn't take away the feeling that something is going to go wrong, terribly wrong. Imagine wanting to jump out of your skin, literally thats how it feels.
This can drive a person crazy, it does on a daily basis. Ok, now imagine that YOU DO NOT KNOW that you have this condition. Ok, now throw in the fear! Go out into the world and see how long it takes for you to find some trouble. See if you can properly discern an appropriate response in everyday situations, as regular social interactions have become a threat to you. You don't know why, but you just know it. Ok, throw in some denial. Alright a bunch of denial. See if you don't end up divorced, incarcerated, homeless, unemployable, homicidal, suicidal or dead.
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