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Top Ten Reasons To Go Vegetarian
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With World Vegetarian Week here, without further ado, are the Top 10 reasons to give vegetarian eating a try, starting now!
1. Helping Animals Also Helps the Global Poor While there is ample and justified moral indignation about the diversion of 100 million tons of grain for biofuels, more than seven times as much (760 million tons) is fed to farmed animals so that people can eat meat. Is the diversion of crops to our cars a moral issue? Yes, but it's about one-eighth the issue that meat-eating is. Care about global poverty? Try vegetarianism.
2. Eating Meat Supports Cruelty to Animals The green pastures and idyllic barnyard scenes of years past are now distant memories. On today's factory farms, animals are crammed by the thousands into filthy windowless sheds, wire cages, gestation crates, and other confinement systems. These animals will never raise families, root in the soil, build nests, or do anything else that is natural and important to them. They won't even get to feel the warmth of the sun on their backs or breathe fresh air until the day they are loaded onto trucks bound for slaughter.
3. Eating Meat Is Bad for the Environment A recent United Nations report entitled Livestock's Long Shadow concludes that eating meat is "one of the ... most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." In just one example, eating meat causes almost 40 percent more greenhouse-gas emissions than all the cars, trucks, and planes in the world combined. The report concludes that the meat industry "should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."
4. Avoid Bird Flu
The World Health Organization says that if the avian flu virus mutates, it could be caught simply by eating undercooked chicken flesh or eggs, eating food prepared on the same cutting board as infected meat or eggs, or even touching eggshells contaminated with the disease. Other problems with factory farming -- from foot-and-mouth to SARS -- can be avoided with a general shift to a vegetarian diet.
5. If You Wouldn't Eat a Dog, You Shouldn't Eat a Chicken Several recent studies have shown that chickens are bright animals who are able to solve complex problems, demonstrate self-control, and worry about the future. Chickens are smarter than cats and dogs and even do some things that have not yet been seen in mammals other than primates. Dr. Chris Evans, who studies animal behavior and communication at Macquarie University in Australia, says, "As a trick at conferences, I sometimes list these attributes, without mentioning chickens and people think I'm talking about monkeys."
6. Heart Disease: Our Number One Killer Healthy vegetarian diets support a lifetime of good health and provide protection against numerous diseases, including the United States' three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer, and strokes. Drs. Dean Ornish and Caldwell Esselstyn -- two doctors with 100 percent success in preventing and reversing heart disease -- have used a vegan diet to accomplish it, as chronicled most recently in Dr. Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, which documents his 100 percent success rate for unclogging people's arteries and reversing heart disease.
7. Cancer: Our Number Two Killer Dr. T. Colin Campbell is one of the world's foremost epidemiological scientists and the director of what The New York Times called "the most comprehensive large study ever undertaken of the relationship between diet and the risk of developing disease." Dr. Campbell's best-selling book, The China Study, is a must-read for anyone who is concerned about cancer. To summarize it, Dr. Campbell states, "No chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein."
8. Fitting Into That Itty-Bitty Bikini Vegetarianism is also the ultimate weight-loss diet, since vegetarians are one-third as likely to be obese as meat-eaters are, and vegans are about one-tenth as likely to be obese. Of course, there are overweight vegans, just as there are skinny meat-eaters. But on average, vegans are 10 to 20 percent lighter than meat-eaters. A vegetarian diet is the only diet that has passed peer review and taken weight off and kept it off.
9. Global Peace
Leo Tolstoy claimed that "vegetarianism is the taproot of humanitarianism." His point? For people who wish to sow the seeds of peace, we should be eating as peaceful a diet as possible. Eating meat supports killing animals, for no reason other than humans' acquired taste for animals' flesh. Great humanitarians from Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi to Thich Nhat Hanh have argued that a vegetarian diet is the only diet for people who want to make the world a kinder place.
10. The Joy of Veggies
As the growing range of vegetarian cookbooks and restaurants shows, vegetarian foods rock. People report that when they adopt a vegetarian diet, their range of foods explodes from a center-of-the-plate meat item to a range of grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables that they didn't even know existed.
Sir Paul McCartney sums it all up, "If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat. That's the single most important thing you could do. It's staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty."
So are you ready to give it a try?
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Posted by: kingmob on May 19, 2008 4:23 PM
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Vegetarianism is at best a half-effort. If you really want to help animals, yourself and the environment, a better option would be to completely abolish the use and abuse of animals in your own life by going vegan!
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» Vegetarianism is a great positive step, of course.
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» We try to do both--and we seem to be succeeding.
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Posted by: Dboy on May 20, 2008 12:17 AM
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» Chickens do better than cats and dogs on various tests
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» Does IQ really matter? Chickens feel pain, they suffer.
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Posted by: socialpsych on May 20, 2008 3:18 AM
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12. Vegetarians look better. Better skin, brighter eyes, healthier body mass.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 20, 2008 3:43 AM
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More power to the hard-core vegetarians who are driven and committed to their diet. But I think it will be impossible to commit the average shmuck to that level of self-discipline and idealism.
What might be more practical is a more sane approach toward meat eating. I've found that I don't need a big slab of steak; in fact, I find it too much. Rather, I like a salad with a bit of chicken for flavor. Or Chinese stir fry, which is the same idea. And maybe a can of tuna or a trout from the local pond once in a while.
I'm fascinated by the idea of raising your own chickens, catching your own fish, and hunting your own deer, even though I've only had the stomach to catch my own fish so far. Aside from the pollution in the air and water, the animals live mostly healthy lives, and only suffer a few minutes, which is inevitable due to predators, cars, and natural causes. That's getting off the grid and eating local.
I think they should loosen up the local restrictions on raising livestock in your back yard. It would be fun to piss off some of the snobby neighbors.
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Posted by: Suzon on May 20, 2008 3:53 AM
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Veganism was tried and rejected by the British journalist George Monbiot not just because the skin of vegans tends to turn a pearly-grey (sorry, don't know how to make the link--perhaps someone else will).
My hens eat inexpensive organic layers pellets (chicken feed!), food scraps (things we wouldn't eat like strawberry tops!) and they forage, eating things like bindweed (their poo is also great for the vegetable garden).
Except for a bit of butter, I can have a no air or road miles omlet that is healthy and full of nutrients. I have had long-stay vegetarian house guests who required a lot of shopping, chopping and just plain bulk. Eggs, boiled, scrambled or fried satisfy the rumbling stomach.
Adding eggs to your diet, especially eggs from healthy, happy hens living in your own back yard, may be good for vegetarians and non-vegetarians alike.
I can't see why eating eggs would not be suitable for vegans as well. My hens just gently pop them out six days a week.
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» "yuck!" is not an argument. You missed a more valid point which is
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Posted by: Jackie Irish on May 20, 2008 4:45 AM
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» It really does have to be both.
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» I've heard from many people who are veg b/c of this article.
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» I went veg b/c of animals. There are so many reasons
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Posted by: Jasonix on May 20, 2008 5:05 AM
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When I notice what they eat, it's obvious that they gorge on carbs and foods that human beings are not evolved to eat (soy beans, potatoes, rice, etc.) that must be cooked and processed to be edible. They rely on soy as their prime protein source (human beings do not readily absorb protein from plant sources, which is why you fart when you eat beans, so in order to get enough protein, vegans are forced to rely on highly-processed meat and milk substitutes, which are artificially fortified with B vitamins and essential fatty acids that are naturally available only through meat and fish), and soy in large quantities floods your body with synthetic estrogen. Human beings have never eaten soy in the quantities they do now (in Asian countries, soy is more like a condiment than a protein source), and soy is implicated in early puberty, thyroid disorders, and the declining height in the U.S., where soy is added to virtually everything.
Vegans are conducting a scientific experiment on themselves - and while their diet may offer specific benefits regarding a couple diseases (arterial plaque, colon cancer), vegans never cite studies claiming that they have lower overall mortality rates than the general population - because the evidence simply doesn't bear this out. The fact that vegans don't live longer than the average unhealthy US citizen while have lower rates of hearth disease and certain cancers means that they're dying in larger numbers from other things - like neurological disorders, organ failure, reduced resilience to infectious disease and injury, etc.
No primate is vegan; they all consume animal protein from carrion, prey, and insects. If you think you can outsmart evolution, go right ahead. But dig a little deeper than the vegan junk-science sites, and read about all the people who have had negative health impacts from vegetarian/veganism. Spend some time with Indian immigrants who follow Hindu diets and see if they seem any healthier or more virile to you (the answer's a BIG no to that one). Vegans are all about preventing cruelty to animals, not about promoting human health.
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» Vegans: Salim Stoudamire, Prince Fielder, Joaquin Phoenix, Alicia Silverstone, Natalie Portman...
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» RE: Vegans: here is a sports nutritionist quote from the animal lib. front website
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» Salim Stoudamire?
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» RE: BTW, does anyone remember the studies that show people with higher BMI's tend to live longer?
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Posted by: tjwdraws on May 20, 2008 5:18 AM
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VEGAN Outreach
TRY VEG
Choose Veg
PEACE
Om mani padme hum
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Posted by: riffraff2001 on May 20, 2008 5:23 AM
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» The FAQ section of GoVeg.com replies to all these concerns.
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» RE: Thank you, Beck, a voice for logic amid a sea of emotion
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» Jasonix = not emotional, hee hee
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» You know that the meat industry is a huge grain consumer, right?
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Posted by: pfgetty on May 20, 2008 5:23 AM
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But more importantly, a diet full of wheat, rice, corn and other grains is just simply not what our bodies evolved for. Early man did not eat grains, which are usually the centerpiece of a vegetarian diet. These foods only came about when man was able to extract and cook and process the starch in those seeds. They are really inedible raw. And they are certainly, along with sugar, the culprit in diabetes, syndrome X, heart disease, autoimmune diseases, etc.
Before embarking on a plan like vegetarianism, do some studying about the toxicity of this group of foods. And similarly for legumes, the other basic staple of vegetarianism......also toxic until cooked, and not eaten by our ancestors. We seem to be able to eat these foods for short term, but over long periods of time our bodies suffer from many chronic diseases never seen in hunter gatherer type people who eat almost no grains or beans, and apparently not seen in Paleolithic people.
My chickens are very happy and lucky birds, but the roosters are sacrificed and eaten. I think their lives are as good as it gets, and even their death isn't nearly as bad as the deaths of most humans.
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» Scientific Consensus: Vegetarians are Healthier than Meat-Eaters
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Posted by: Bayardtom on May 20, 2008 6:05 AM
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Education about veganism is available and illuminating. Read one or all of John Robbins' books. Diet For a New America, May All Be Fed, Reclaiming Our Health, The Food Revolution are all wonderful examples of how to live so that we don't completely destroy ourselves and the planet.
If one needed further proof that veganism is the way to live, visit a Seventh Day Advent Church. We had the good fortune to take part in a dinner at one of their churches and to see the children romping about was to witness cherubs from heaven. I have never seen such totally healthy, happy children.
And further, the dishes that were carefully prepared by the people of the church were absolutely delicious. And the feeling of social comradery was so lovely. My husband and I are not members of that church but we were so impressed by the feeling of total calm and friendliness. We felt strongly that it came from the knowledge that we were not doing harm to animals or the planet.
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Posted by: kimbari on May 20, 2008 6:13 AM
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You're not better than I am. You just don't eat meat.
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» vegetarians and vegans, however, are more compassionate towards animals.
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» Long replies to these questions in the FAQ section of GoVeg.com
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» RExcept that goveg is not a source that seems reliable to most of us, especially given . . .
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» GoVeg.com is fully sourced, mostly to industry sources.
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» Not all fat people overeat
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» Vegetarians are about one-third as likely to be obese as meat-eaters.
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Posted by: Gravitas on May 20, 2008 6:59 AM
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2) I am so sick of the myth that vegetarians arent fat. Almost every vegetarian I personally know is fat. And they get flack from the vegetarian community, some so much they had to leave veggie boards. Just because vegetarians can create some studies mean nothing. Studies can prove anything one wants. Getting in to a "teeny weeny bikini?" How predictable and sexist. Here is a news flash!!! Not every woman wants to diminish herself into "teeny weeny status." Furthermore, fat on your hips and thighs is protective, as is moderate fat in middle and old age! Personally, I have never met a vegetarian or vegan I would trade packages with.
I just blogged about how all this evangelism from veggies and others may be turning people off to making moderate changes in their lives:
http://tinyurl.com/6h39ab
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» Sounding more like progressive activists, perhaps?
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Posted by: la nurse on May 20, 2008 7:02 AM
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Posted by: Lucy P on May 20, 2008 7:21 AM
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Posted by: ramsey on May 20, 2008 7:25 AM
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I remain veg because it is easy, delicious, and I feel better than ever. It is a much healthier and more interesting way to eat.
I encourage others to eliminate their meat consumption (or at least reduce it) because of the meat industry's impact on the environment and it's contribution to world hunger. Funneling grain (and water, a resource that is in short supply aorund the world) through animals instead of nourishing humans is absurd.
When anyone asks me why I'm vegan, I have a simple reply: "Why are you not vegan?"
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» American Dietetic Association on vegetarian and vegan diets:
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Posted by: Suzanne Carlson on May 20, 2008 7:26 AM
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Posted by: helenwheels on May 20, 2008 8:56 AM
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Posted by: chickenheart on May 20, 2008 9:40 AM
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And the best part is that we are making an authentic statement for peace and kindness every day, with every meal. Yes, there is enormous cruelty to humans and to other animals, but we are not contributing to it, and are doing all we can to help raise consciousness beyond the obsolete mentality of "might makes right."
All I can say is, Go Vegan - it's the best decision anyone can ever make!
Also, read The World Peace Diet - an amazing book that will give many more reasons why it's in our interest to question the delusions of our cultural food trance and the violence it requires of us all.
Don't be a killer or rapist or child kidnapper (meat and dairy require all this!) - Live with joy and compassion and spread the light of truth! Love and peace for all - always!!
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 20, 2008 10:08 AM
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It worked when I campaigned diligently to free Tibet for like, 2 weeks.
Boo Ya!
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Posted by: sanity on May 20, 2008 10:18 AM
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I think that many people are open to changing their habits for some greater good, including reducing the amount of meat that they consume. Vegetarian activists who insist that anything less than a vegetarian diet is meaningless are mistaken. Though I eat some meat, I'd be willing to bet that I am healthier than many vegetarians and that my overall environment impact is less than many vegetarians.
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Posted by: sirios on May 20, 2008 10:31 AM
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Posted by: alturn on May 20, 2008 10:37 AM
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After control of the emotional body is mastered (which is easier said than done) it does not matter whether meat is eaten or not. The ritual of attempting to overcome the emotions is not one that brings smugness or superiority, but one of humility brought from the difficulty of moving out of the control of this very powerful center.
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» Beck, you can't believe that plants and animals both feel pain.
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Posted by: opmoc on May 20, 2008 12:23 PM
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2. The smell of someone who ate a load of sprouts last night
3. Roast Turkey on Christmas Day
4. Humans and loads of animals have been eating meat for a considerable period of time
5. Small farms have existed for an exceedingly long period of time without using any artificial fertilizers by using crop and animal rotation. Animal shit is exceedingly good for soil with sensible numbers and sensible rotation.
6. Really rare best quality lamb - its even nicer than fillet steak.
7. Black Pudding - its dried pigs blood - often served with a traditional English Breakfast and quite exceptional
8. Sex. Meat eaters tend to eat far more protein than vegetarians and as a result produce far more sperm and can do it far more often. As a result wives are less likely to go off elsewhere to find younger meat
9. Steak and Kidney Pie
10. Its nice to see Cows, Sheep, Pigs, Chickens and other animals decorating the beautiful English countryside. If we didn't eat them, then they wouldn't be there. Instead we would be doing something incredibly stupid like growing corn to be converted into ethanol (using more petroleum energy than the ethanol contains). Vegetarians tend to do silly things like this.
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I don't know about you but i've just put on my running shoes and am heading down I-80 where apparently 28K lbs of cookies became the vics of an overturned truck this AM. I'm gonna get me some cookies. I wonder if the surviving cookies will be restocked? Makes you queston food safety as well. These damn food prices are killing me. I just found out that during this time last year, 1 lb box of San Giorgio Rotelle pasta cost about $1.29 and now it's $1.69. T-bone steak per pound $5.99 and now it's like $7.99 lb Head of romaine last year (.99) this year $1.69 GOd forbid, you should want to treat yourself to asparagus or blueberries ~ $4/lb. Just terrible. It wasn't always like this, so can we blame the state of the economy?? Can we blame this administration for creating such an affect on the American dollar = damn right.
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Ha. I bet they will repackage them and dust them off for, b/c that's how companies cut corners, just to make a buck.
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Posted by: T.Jenks on May 20, 2008 1:17 PM
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Never mind that soy causes man-boobs, thyroid problems, and poor cognitive function, it just tastes fake and gives me heartburn from hell along with sore joints. I, for one, am getting really tired of Alternet becoming a clearing house for discredited PETA rhetoric.
As someone who's worked in the environmental movement, and as a recovering vegetarian, who once weighed 250 lbs on a 5'10" frame because of my 'healthy' vegetarian diet, I really resent the implication that my natural dietary choices are screwing the planet over while 21 year old douchebags drive around my neighbourhood in Humvees.
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» its hard to mellow out
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» Calm down, this is just education, not castigation.
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» Re; more superiority. I can barely see you way up there.
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» Questions are great, but the anger (and misinformation) are not.
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» Don't some plants eat meat? :)
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Posted by: tchii on May 20, 2008 4:17 PM
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Namaste
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Posted by: kelethian on May 20, 2008 4:31 PM
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maybe then i will consider it.
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» check out the celeb section at GoVeg.com: From Alicia Silverstone and Joaquin Phoenix
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Posted by: PeterW on May 20, 2008 7:36 PM
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If you eat meat in moderation from a local non-industrial farmer, you accomplish the same thing. Remember the farmer that raises livestock for meat, dairy and eggs doesn't need to buy as many petroleum based fertilizers.
Point 4 is an example of bad animal husbandry. Large industrial farms or poorly regulated third world markets are much more susceptible to sick animals with diseases that could transfer to the human population.
As for Point 5, is the author suggesting we should adopt chickens as pets and remove them from the barnyard? Because if vegans have there way the domestic chicken won't exist anymore if they're not pets.
As for Point 6 & 7. Do you have any evidence that a healthy diet that includes moderate meat consumption, that's low in sugar and high in fruits and vegetables, such as the Mediterranean diet, is not just as healthy?
As for Point 8, there are numerous examples of healthy meat eating women who look very good in bikinis.
I don't have much to say about the opinions expressed in Points 9 and 10 except that Paul McCartney's mansions and jet setting have a far larger impact on the environment than the average meat eater. The vinyl records and CDs alone that have been produced in his name are a toxic nightmare.
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» Yay--not defensive, real questions, etc. Thanks! (replies below)
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Posted by: acerbas on May 20, 2008 9:03 PM
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For a more empirically based point of view this guy should read Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization by Richard Manning http://tinyurl.com/9gv94 and After Eden: The Evolution of Human Domination by Kirkpatrick Sale http://tinyurl.com/yr5ef7
But how presumptuous of me to contradict such a noted ecologist as Sir Paul McCartney. All I do is read clowns like Lester Brown, Bill Catton, the Ehrlichs, and Sir Martin Rees.
The human species is a plague species, and switching diets will do little or nothing to arrest its continuing eradication of life on earth. The only thing that could possibly make a difference would be to stop littering the Earth with our progeny and cutting back the population to a sustainable level, about an eighth of what it is now, but that's not going to happen. We are in extreme overshoot and eating veggies is not going to forestall the massive die-off that will occur when we can no longer support industrial agriculture with huge fossil fuel inputs.
Vegan or not, without population curtailment this little spaceship is toast.
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» Everything in this top 10 list is backed by the best science.
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Posted by: jmp3954 on May 20, 2008 9:59 PM
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How many of you vegans out there have cats and dogs?
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» Section on veg pets at GoVeg.com
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I only agree with the first three points as well as the 10th. The rest is kind of irrelevant and no, chickens are not smarter than cats or dogs...
All this information should be taken with a grain of salt, and it's good to look at several sources to get the facts straight. Bottom line is are you so arrogant that you think it's okay for animals to suffer just for you? Are you okay with the fact that it takes tons and TONS of grains and water to feed those animals? (I like the person who said there would suddenly be a huge demand for grains if everyone went vegetarian.. um.. TOTALLY backward reasoning!) If you can't stop eating meat, at least think about buying local, free-range meat. Then you'll know where it comes from and whether or not it's lived in a cramped, unsanitary cage all its life and eating ground up leftover meat of its own kind... or a natural life outdoors eating natural things.
I do wish people would stop assuming all vegetarians have a "holier than thou" attitude too... most people I know are not vegetarians and I don't think of them as being stupid or wrong or *anything* like that. I usually assume either they don't know the truth about where their food comes from or they know and just chose to continue eating meat anyway... it's their choice. I think everyone should have the burden of knowing, however, but I will not lecture anyone or look down my nose at them...
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Posted by: dejesus_riley on May 21, 2008 12:32 PM
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It is a human choice, as in people, me and you. While its hard to argue that cruel treatment of animals is right its also hard to argue that all animals come from cruel environments or are killed in inhumane ways as the trend for organic free range humane meats is booming at the moment.
While it can be argued that simply killing them to eat them is inherently cruel, however we raise them for that very reason, most livestock exist to suit our purposes, someone riding a horse owns the horse so he can ride it and fulfill his personal desires to ride the said horse (although some would consider this cruel too) we own dogs and cats and subject them to domestic lives rather than the wild not because its better for the dog but because we get enjoyment from the animal. The process behind eating meat is no different, remember they are animals and they are property, we own them and they do not and should not possess human rights. We choose to do what we want with our animals, if we want to eat them, or sell the meat to someone else to eat its our choice and preaching that vegetarianism is the only way to go inherently limits human choices into what they desire rather than some vocal minority.
I enjoy eating meat, I also make it a point to go out of my way to purchase organic and free range, I wouldn't argue that the giant industrial meat processing plants are an evil blot on the world, however simply going vegetarian is not necessarily a choice everyone wants to make and you know what? They shouldn't be forced to.
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Posted by: Paxmana1 on May 21, 2008 2:23 PM
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What is the difference between our flesh and animal flesh? .. perhaps its rather like the difference between chicken, pig, or horse that has been fed on Genetically Modified feed stuff.
A simple test .. raw meat versus cooked meat as dog food .. a 6 week trial .. 3 on raw and 3 on cooked .. start the raw meat first and notice the change in the animals behavior as it slides up the aggression scale which is then modified by feeding cooked meat.
Meat is second hand food raised in the most apalling conditions known to man .. Charnel Houses are Us .. and of course we have the usual Corporate shills ..shrill insistent voices .. chanting the murderers mantra.
There is no Scientific evidence .. there is no Scientific evidence .. praise the Lord and pass the shares we are off to the patent office ..
Science is a tin pot god and it is not the truth. The halls of academia are littered with discarded theories and dead bodies of those unfortunates who were on the receiving end.
Science is no more than an academic glass bead abacus .. its all about numerology .. measurements .. scientists in the main are just laboratory technicians at the beck and call of the bribe taking big cannon who are for sale to the highest bidder (monsanto et al)those at the top of the dung heap with an abacus are really just frustrated Accountants.
When it comes to passing an opinion on what it is that their numbers tell them we are all treated to the most stupid explanations and pontifications .. the majority of which fly in the face of common sense.
Starch is the base upon which the pyramid of life is built .. without it no herbivores, human or otherwise .. no carnivores because they rely on eating herbivores.
Gladiators were fed a raw meat diet to make them more savage in the ensuing chop and slaughter. A lot of scientific whiffle piffle is spoken about the various nutrients and what our systems can manufacture and what we cant .. whereas the truthful answer does not make money ... We Do Not Know .. we do not know .. there is no scientific evidence.
The economics of food production are not at issue .. eating meat is a luxury that a starving world can no longer afford .. and before the absolutely boring GM idiots pile in .. Frankenstein never yet produced a healthy baby.
Right at the moment and if we ignore the alarming spread of disease which has leached out of the charnel houses and into the wild populations, it is clear that the economics of meat eating are simply not sustainable.
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on May 21, 2008 3:29 PM
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Pol Pot wasn't just a killer. He also had organized an independent revenue source for the party in the form of rubber plantations in eastern Cambodia using forced slave labor.
Charles Manson - Vegan Animal Rights Activist
Manson: "I did it for ATWA! Air, Trees, Water, Animals!"
Charles Milles Manson (born 1934-NOV-11) is a person with an unusual ability to dominate others. He assembled a destructive, doomsday cult around himself, which the media later called The Family. At one time, it numbered in excess of 100 individuals at the Spahn Ranch some 30 miles northwest of Los Angeles CA.
Volkert Van der Graaf - Vegan Assassin and Murderer
Volkert van der Graaf's extra-legal activities as an animal rights activist include at least two murders. Volkert is the assassin of Pim Fortuyn. He shot Fortuyn on 6 May 2002, at 18:00 hours in Hilversum, The Netherlands.
He is also the sole suspect in the murder of Chris van der Werken, a civil servant responsible for environmental policy in the North Veluwe, an agricultural part of the country, where both Volkert and van der Werken used to live and work. Like Fortuyn, Chris van der Werken was shot in the back by the perpetually angry, cowardly van der Graaf.
Volkert was also a member of a group called the "Furious Potatoes" (De Ziedende Bintjes), a group that carries out illegal, violent actions against fur breeders, companies that carry out animal tests and firms that operate in a way that they consider environmentally unsound.
Adolf Hitler - Vegetarian Megalomaniac Mass Murderer
Many vegans and vegetarians try to deny the fact that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, simply because they wish he wasn't.
Adolph Hitler became a vegetarian in 1932 upon the death of Geli Raubal. In 1928 Hitler asked his half-sister, Angela Raubal, to be his housekeeper. She agreed and arrived with her twenty-year old daughter, Geli Raubal. Hitler, who had now turned forty, became infatuated with Geli and rumours soon spread that he was having an affair with his young niece. Hitler became extremely possessive and Emil Maurice, his chauffeur, who also showed interest in Geli, was sacked.
Relax people. Have a burger and a smile. Kill animals not people.
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Posted by: Beck on May 25, 2008 7:32 AM
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Both vegetarian and non-vegetarian diets have advantages.
Vegetarian diets tend to be rich in antioxidants, certain
vitamins, and healthy fats. Non-vegetarian diets, by
contrast, tend to contain more protein, iron, zinc,
calcium, and vitamin B-12.
If you already decided to adopt a vegetarian diet,
it is essential you learn how to increase your intake
and absorption of these nutrients to avoid short-term
and long-term health complications.
In the next few paragraphs, I will explain how you
can regularly assimilate larger portions of these
nutrients into your regular diet:
1. Protein. Different types of protein are made up
of different permutations of amino acid chains.
In order to create a "complete protein" or a
protein that can be assimilated into the human
body as tissue, you must consume foods that contain
complementary chains of amino acids.
Wheat, nuts, and beans are three types of vegan-friendly
incomplete proteins; however, wheat is hard to
digest and up to 50% of its protein is lost
during the process.
Isolated soy protein, which you can get from a number
of sources (including soy milk), can be digested
efficiently-enough to match the animal protein yields.
2. Iron. Plant sources contain a significant amount of
iron, but in nonheme form, which is more sensitive
to inhibitors than iron that comes from animal products.
You should do two things to increase your blood-iron
levels: 1) consume more plant iron; and 2) avoid absorption
inhibitors, such as tea, coffee, and fiber.
3. Zinc. Whereas non-vegetarian diets seem to enhance
the absorption of zinc; vegetarian and vegan diets
do the exact opposite--they inhibit it.
Nutritionists suggest that you can overcome
this by consuming more foods that contain zinc,
such as soybeans, cashews, and sunflower
seeds while reducing your intake of inhibitors
by washing vegetables and grains.
4. Calcium. While vegetarians can easily consume
an adequate amount of calcium without any dietary
additions, it is important that vegetarians avoid
consuming certain foods that are high in oxalates,
which inhibit calcium absorption.
Dietitians suggest that vegetarians do not consume
spinach, beet greens, and swiss chard as the
calcium component of a meal plan. While they are
rich in calcium, they also contain high amounts of
oxalates.
Rather than consuming those foods for calcium,
vegetarians should consider other options, such as
soy yogurt, tofu, beans, almonds, and calcium-
fortified foods.
5. Vitamin B-12. Many vegetarians lack
vitamin B-12 simply because it does not exist
naturally in any non-animal forms. Vegetarians
should seek out vitamin B-12 fortified foods,
such as certain soy milks and cereals to
supplement what they lack.
As I outlined, there are a number of nutrients
vegetarians can lack of they do not research
and plan. This is not meant to discourage
people from becoming vegetarians, but instead
to encourage them to spend time planning a
health approach to their vegetarian diet
before starting it.
When planned adequately, a vegetarian diet
can not only make up for what it lacks from
animal products, but it can far exceed
the healthfulness of most non-vegetarian diets
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