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Bipolar Disorder Is A Serious Illness, Not a Celebrity Fad
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At times, it seems as though bipolar illness is the latest celebrity fad -- like wheat intolerance, perhaps. But the apparent spike in celebrity sufferers points to something else: that awareness amongst both clinicians and the public is growing and some of the stigma attached to admitting to mental health problems has begun to diminish.
It is impossible for me to say definitively whether Britney has bipolar. However, there can be tell-tale signs of symptomatic behaviour. Bizarre behaviour such as stripping off in a clothes shop in full view of staff and customers and shaving your hair off are the sort of "crazy" things people do when they are in the grip of mania. But people do "crazy" things for other reasons or if they are having a difficult time -- this is what makes bipolar disorder so hard to diagnose correctly.
I used to do some extremely odd things during my manic episodes, when you feel euphoric, disinhibited, full of energy and talk non-stop. Once I went charging back to my school, two years after leaving it. I went bursting into classrooms, interrupting lessons and generally causing havoc. I barged my way into a physics lesson and started pontificating to the class, as my old physics teacher looked on in horror. I did the same thing at a management consultancy I worked at briefly, storming in there and talking excitedly to everyone, a crowd gathering around me.
But the thing about my manic episodes I always found hardest to deal with were the religious delusions. Although I wasn't remotely religious, when at my most ill I thought I was on some kind of mission from God and was going to usher in the Second Coming. I remember seeing God's face in anything and everything. I have since learnt that scientists believe the religious preoccupations associated with mania stem from a part of the brain's temporal lobes that lights up like a Christmas tree with electrical activity, because of the massive over-production of the neurotransmitter dopamine.
It has been suggested that having a celebrity's ultra-outgoing personality might dispose someone to bipolar illness. At least one in 100 people has bipolar disorder. The majority of these are ordinary, everyday people. I find this at the self-help groups run by MDF The BiPolar Organisation (formerly the Manic Depression Fellowship) which I attend. However, there is a huge amount of research suggesting a link between creativity and bipolar disorder. And there have been plenty of people to bear this out, from Beethoven, Byron and Vincent van Gogh to Kurt Cobain. There are two ways of looking at it. If you're mildly manic you bubble over with energy and creative ideas. If you're creative already, the ideas and imagination will overflow. I remember spouting poetry when wandering around the Edinburgh Festival while manic. If I had a gift for poetry, it might have been an incredibly productive phase for me. If you look at Robert Schumann's works, there are years of enormous productivity when he churned out symphonies 10 to the dozen -- no doubt when manic. Then when he was depressed, there's nothing.
The celebrity lifestyle, however, might offer other explanations. Chaotic, rollercoaster fortunes, when you might go from "hero to zero", may trigger illness in those who are vulnerable. Drug abuse is a known trigger. Also, cynics might say claiming that you have what seems to be a "celebrity plague" may be a defence, excusing bad behaviour.
I was first diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 19, but I think the symptoms started when I was much younger. I had a normal childhood and upbringing and came from a relatively privileged background, growing up in a middle-class family in the home counties. I went to a grammar school in Amersham, Buckinghamshire, and was a high achiever academically, as well as being very sporty and popular.
But I was a real worrier -- and always have been. In my early teens I remember on occasion if I got upset about something it would go on for several days. I still have that now -- if something upsets me it feels like the end of the world.
I became more prone to occasional mood swings, which I think were the early signs of illness. I remember becoming tearful for no obvious reason and starting to withdraw when I was in the sixth form. Before university I went travelling for a year, which is when I became seriously ill. Suddenly I started having regular and increasingly severe mood swings.
The scariest thing was that I had no idea what was happening. At the age of 19 most people have never even heard of bipolar disorder -- I certainly hadn't. When I was up I'd be enjoying the delicious euphoria, then when I crashed I would rack my brains trying to understand why I was so unhappy. I kept thinking I must have had some terrible childhood experience to make me so miserable, but could never come up with anything. I had no clue that I had a psychiatric illness.
Eventually, in one of the down phases, I gathered the wherewithal to get myself home. By the time I boarded the flight home from Bangkok I was very high. I arrived at Heathrow airport to be collected by my parents. I was talking 10 to the dozen and telling them I didn't need any sleep -- when you're really high you really can go without sleep. In a manic week I'd only sleep for an hour or so a night. My family just didn't know what to make of me.
The illness got more and more extreme. The highs were getting worse and I was losing all sense of reality. Instead of just seeming lively and chatty I was talking constantly, my speech became so fast I ceased to make any sense at all. I also did really odd things such as taking photos of people in the pub, or stealing a pint of milk from behind the bar and drinking it.
Eventually, my parents were at the end of their tether. And when you're in the depressed phase, you do realise something's wrong. I went to see my GP and was referred to a psychiatrist. I was seen as an outpatient but it wasn't enough. One day my mum called the GP, who recognised that I was so ill I needed to be treated in hospital. When I was high the GP persuaded me to go to hospital with her -- once I was there, I was trapped. They could see I was severely ill and detained me under section.
That was very traumatic. It dawned on me, even though I had nearly entirely lost touch with reality, that I was going to be held there. I was desperate to leave and felt very betrayed by my family. I got into a stand-off with a bevy of burly psychiatric nurses, who surrounded me and had no intention of letting me make a break for the exit.
In the end I was shut in a room while they held the door shut. Eventually they stormed in, pinned me down and forcibly sedated me. The next few days were a blur of heavy tranquillisers that only took the edge off my mania. I still stalked the ward thinking I was either Jesus Christ or the Dalai Lama, and painted the "evil eye" in a manic delirium during art therapy. Because of the unusual nature of my cycling -- I was up for a week, then down for a week, where most people have cycles lasting months -- after a week I appeared better and was sent home. Of course, I wasn't well, but at least they put me on lithium and another drug, which stopped the cycling after several months. The drugs left me in a severely depressed state, though. I was stuck at home, having lost my place at university and being lumbered with a psychiatric diagnosis. I was struggling to deal with the horror of it all and felt constantly suicidal. After a year I was well enough to attend university, although still very depressed. It took two more years to get my medication right and for me finally to feel OK again. I then did a postgraduate degree in journalism at Cardiff University -- which is where I met my wife, Suzanne -- and was pretty happy.
But after my course I imperceptibly slid back into depression after cutting back my medication. The next six years of my life were blighted by this low mood. But I didn't even realise I was ill at the time -- I thought it was just me. The drugs stopped the cycling but left my mood depressed. I worked as a journalist in various news agencies and, although outwardly I seemed normal, I was crippled by severe anxiety and depression. I then got a job in a Government press office, which I hated, and I just felt so miserable that life didn't seem to be worth living.
Suzanne wanted to get married and have kids. I suddenly realised that if I was going to kill myself it was now or never. I didn't want to leave a bereft widow and fatherless children, so I resolved to take my life. Just after Christmas four years ago I drove into the woods near my parents' house and took an overdose of lithium.
I remember crawling under a tree like a wounded animal to die. As I was lying there I felt God was with me and didn't want me to die. I also realised I just couldn't visit such horror on my parents -- it would have ruined their lives, as well as Suzanne's. So I had a change of heart, called an ambulance and was taken to hospital, where they pumped all the stuff out of me.
Ironically, after 11 years with bipolar disorder, that suicide attempt finally enabled me to get proper treatment. For years my doctors failed to see that I was depressed. I was angry with my psychiatrist for not being proactive enough about my treatment -- he could have saved me from all those wasted years. But since then they have experimented with my medication. I'm now on the antipsychotic quetiapine, the antiepileptic sodium valproate and an antidepressant, which together seem to work really well.
I still have occasional mood swings, but they're nothing like as severe. I now work for Shift, the Government's campaign against stigmatising mental illness, and recently became trustee of the user-led charity Stand to Reason, which also challenges prejudice towards people with mental illnesses. Recovering has made me want to improve the lot of people like me. I'm happily married to Suzanne, an amazing, long-suffering woman who stuck by me throughout my illness. And we are blessed with two wonderful children, Thomas, three, and Sam, four months.
My heart goes out to anyone in the public eye who does have bipolar. It is an unforgiving illness that makes you behave, both when manic and depressed, in ways that can leave you deeply ashamed when you're in a fit state to reflect on your behaviour.
It is human nature to be intrigued by the peculiarities of our fellow man. But imagine Britney was your sister or someone you loved. How would you feel to see others mocking her? Having a mental illness is no laughing matter, any more than having cancer is. One in seven people with undiagnosed bipolar dies from suicide. Let's give Britney a break.
As told to Dan Roberts
Bipolar disorder: the facts
- Also known as manic depression, bipolar disorder is a mental illness which causes periods of intense depression or mania, interspersed by periods of relative calm. Sufferers experience "cycling", where their mood swings from up to down in a regular recurring pattern.
- The cause is unknown, but it's believed to be an interaction between genes and environmental factors, such as trauma or stress.
- Symptoms of depression include low mood, sleep disturbance, loss of appetite and sex drive, a sense of pessimism and recurrent thoughts of death and suicide.
- During a manic episode, people often experience elevated moods or euphoria, increased activity, speeded-up speech, self-important ideas or grandiose delusions, hallucinations, reduced need for sleep and increased appetite for food and sex.
- About 1 per cent of the population develop bipolar disorder in their lifetime. The risk is much higher if someone has relatives with the disorder, although -- about 12 per cent of people with a sibling with bipolar disorder develop the condition.
- There's no cure, but many sufferers benefit from understanding what triggers their episodes and "mood monitoring", which can spot the early signs of a relapse and so avoid it. The main treatment are medications such as lithium, which stabilises mood swings.
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Posted by: aethr on Feb 19, 2008 3:34 PM
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Sometimes cycles don't even last a week. And then there are those problematic mixed moods.
Is quetiapine generic where you live? It's still patent protected here in the U.S. Maybe I could afford treatment where you live.
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Posted by: grethart on Feb 19, 2008 9:22 PM
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Since it was an 'unknown' disease or disorder when I was growing up, it was not correctly diagnosed until later in my life. (Besides, no one wanted to admit that there "might be something wrong" with me....)
The pain, suffering, alienation, shame, dangers, injuries, and mishaps this illness has caused me and my family are too many and painful to mention.
It is an 'inherited'(genetic) disease of chemical imbalances that manifest in different forms in different people; almost always with some tragic incidencences seriously affecting or ruining people's lives.
It is an illness that cannot be cured.
One is never free of it.
Medication helps 'manage' the illness, but you are never 'well'.
Your already imbalanced chemistry changes its imbalanced state as you are exposed to life stresses, and as you age.
Regular testing should be done to indicate what chemicals you are or are not producing and in what quantity, providing information needed for assistance in prescribing medication. These imbalances vary from time to time in your life, and are never the same for two people.
Some Psychiatric treatment is inappropriate or inadequate....it may take years to find a good physician....in the meantime you may be medicated inappropriately....or left to self-medicate, which is often the case.
I am now finally being treated by a Clinical Neurologist and Psychiatrist with appropriate testings and prescribed medication adjustments and changes as indicated, supplemented by a large regimen of vitamins, amino acids, nootropics, etc.
This is an illness that cannot be understated, should never be ignored, and should be discussed openly to remove the stigma associated with it.
This illness is chemical imbalances that affect the brain and there should be no stigma with this illness, but unfortunately it still exists.
Diabetics receive medications for their chemical imbalance(s) with no stigma attached, don't they? Shouldn't other types of chemical imbalances be approached in the same fashion? without stigma?'
The unfortunate part is that this disorder is 'inherited'....mine from both paternal and maternal sides of the family. This disorder has subsequently been passed on and manifested in some of my children and grandchildren.
Thank God we are finally recognizing and discussing this illness out in the open.
Thank you for publishing your article.
You are assisting in bringing this out in the open.
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Posted by: thebrattons on Feb 19, 2008 11:43 PM
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I think it's good that mental illness is getting some attention, maybe not all good and it's about time that good journalism focuses on that.
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Posted by: shikejian on Feb 20, 2008 5:03 AM
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Manic-d expresses itself differently with different people. I've never had a frank manic episode but because I went through a mixed episode resulting in a depressive crisis (crash), I'm Type I. I tend toward the depressive side.
Recent findings--together with soft matter physics--show that dopamine and seratonin are not the keys. If they were, why is it some few of us are refractory to anti-depressants and, for some, Lithium does not work?
In truth, because manic-d is an affective disease and involves more than the brain, it is not a mental illness. One of the signs of mental illness is that, over time, intellectual functioning deteriorates. There has been evidence that not only does this not happen with manic-d's, there is often an increase in acuity after a crash. But it looks like one, like schizophrenia, in the past the diagnosis, because of the vast difference in states.
There's tons of scientific information on the Internet; all the writer had to do was look for it.
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Posted by: cybermome1207 on Feb 20, 2008 6:16 AM
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I know this behavior..
about my husband
he was in treatment and on various meds. Had so many therapists, meds. In the end no one could help him.
In the end I believe it was his family trauma that killed him.Not a lot written abut that.Also my mother was bi polar...Co-incidence I doubt it.
I truly married my mother...
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 20, 2008 7:35 AM
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If bipolar disorder is caused by widely varying chemical changes in the brain causing the person to swing along the spectrum from mania to depression, there must be a physical cause.
Something tells me diet and the types of foods people eat plays a big role in this disorder.
Fish oil is known to mitigate depression and it wouldn't surprise me if processed sugars increase symptoms of mania.
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Posted by: rewassenich on Feb 20, 2008 7:40 AM
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For several years I have been living in Russia. Here many people collect herbs and certain plants to drink as tea or to add to their daily cooking. I am collecting three types of herbs drinking three types of teas daily. I have never felt better and I have seen a doctor only twice during the last 8 years.
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Posted by: progressiveview on Feb 20, 2008 8:09 AM
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I immediately started researching the disease I knew nothing about. It was very helpful in understanding and beginning to treat the disease.
One problem I have with most western medicine, is that it treats the symptoms, not the disease itself. This is partly due to our lack of understanding the root cause of the disease. But through this research it became pretty clear to me that the biochemistry of the body and the blood in particular was key to treatment.
I would recommend the following books highly;
"An Unquiet Mind" by Kay Redfield Jamison for an autobiographical account of her battle with bipolar disorder, which she prefers to call Manic Depressive disease.
"The Natural Medicine Guide to Bipolar Disorder" by Stephanie Marohn
"The Omega 3 Connection" by Andrew L. Stoll
My son was given Depakote in the hospital, but it did nothing except make him sleepy. A Psychiatrist he saw after being discharged from the hospital wanted him to take Lithium, but thankfully he has not taken it. Most western trained doctors and psychiatrists push these drugs that have horrible side effects, that treat only the symptoms. I wonder if they would take them, themselves?
He is seeing an ND (Naturapathic Doctor) and taking Fish Oil, Vitamin B Complex, 5HTP and Magnesium, as well we Vitamin C & E.
His biochemistry indicates that he is very deficient in the stress related hormones, so his doctor has developed a treatment to being them back to normal levels.
It will take time, but I am confident that he will get better, particularly when his biochemistry is balanced and normal again. It will need to be monitored over a period of time.
It is in interesting disease and imagine having one where you are full of energy and your mind is racing along and you are very productive. It is another form of consciousness.
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Posted by: Zimbly on Feb 20, 2008 8:28 AM
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All are convenient ways to avoiding the truth.
Its well known that Britteny has been a SSRI user. Its also well known that she is erratic about using them . Many people will experience very severe physical and psychological symptoms when you stop taking your SSRI's Cold turkey or take them one day and then 2 days later. Its called withdrawal or withdrawal syndrome. I suggest folks here do their research, just type in the word Paxil and withdrawal, you'll see.
What we have in this society is a pharmaceutical epidemic that is destroying peoples lives, literally. SSRIs are powerful , dangerous mind altering drugs that need to be re-evaluated and the public educated about the serious dangers they pose.
Unfortunately this article, though having some good points, misses the main reason for this crisis right now. Oh and if you ask your doctor about withdrawal..good luck.
Its time for a change, as long as doctors are being funded by Big Pharma and there is no REAL independent research on SSRI's, the real story will never emerge. Folks don't believe me, do your own research, get informed.
The whole sad thing about Britteny's tragedy is it can be avoided. Right now she is on an SSRI and benzo merry-go-round and unless she finds a way of safely tapering off these drugs, her life will continue to spiral into that abyss and even runs the risk of losing it. Meanwhile, not a word of truth comes out in the media as to what started this.
The most insidious thing about SSRI's is that the user is not aware of the subtle but profound changes that have taken place in their brain and body, then we have the whole medical establishment sinking their heads in the sand and denying that their wonder drug can possible do or be the source of any wrong.The wanton profligacy of SSRI's by doctors is simply stunning. From having a stomach ache to high blood pressure to a running nose, without any regard to the serious health risks involved. This is a drug that was passed by the FDA after 6 weeks of testing...6 weeks...
So folks, caveat emptor..get yourself informed and when you are experiencing severe mood swings or other adverse effects from your SSRI and Doc spouts out the pronouncement.."you have Bi-Polar disorder"... alarm bells and red flags should be popping up all over the place.
Its time for a change and time to put a stop to this very serious but avoidable epidemic.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 20, 2008 2:21 PM
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It is not a genetic disease, but a physiological disorder. Our environment, not our genes, determine our behaviour as individuals and mania, depression, manic-depression, happiness, sadness, sorrow, anger etc etc etc., are all determined by our environment.
There is no drug that can cure, or correct, emotional distress. Love is the only thing that can heal emotional distress, and there's not a lot of that about in any culture that is driven by materialistic and/or ideological religious values.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Feb 20, 2008 2:49 PM
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In my own quest for sanity in an insane world I have discovered two therapies that I think could be of great help to "BD" sufferers, one of them is the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) which works on reprogramming the energy associated with traumatic experiences and the other is binaural-beat therapy which balances the hemispheres of the brain, induces heightened brain activity and opens up neural pathways.
I would also like to recommend "Cho-Wa" tea, made with medicinal mushrooms (Reishi, Shitake and Maitake).
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Posted by: alternitpic on Feb 20, 2008 5:31 PM
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peace and well wishes and very heartfelt condolensces
clyde
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Posted by: alternitpic on Feb 20, 2008 6:20 PM
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I had personally suffered from mild manic depression. I definately had the symptoms. I began working very, very, very hard on undersanding what was happening with me, triggers, emotions, etc. the causal internal world and mechanics. I realized i had a lot of emotional baggage and beliefs and was clouded, conditioned, and super ignorant of many, many things of value in LIFE and in living life. Whether it was chemically induced or not wasn't important to me. I set out to do whatever i could to overcome my problem.
i can say with absolute confidence I had many of the symptoms of manic depression. Again, more than likely a light to moderate case. i can also say with absolute confidence that my whole internal environment has changed. i am sure there are many who would love to refute this or those who would even be angry for me suggesting that it isn't anything but biologically based.
But...I know my case well enough to know. And i know that becoming internally and externally aware can really change the way we see the world. changing the way we see the world WILL have an effect on moods. This does NOT mean we don't have a hill of karma to work on (i look at karma as basic conditioning from repitition. if you want to take this back to other lives, I'm down with that too. but...the significant conditioning is the one in this life I feel. and that is simple conditioning in western parlance). but...i am sure that there's both an awareness that can be cultivated, skills that can be honed, and a life of negative conditioning that can be reversed at least to some appreciable degree to make life more enjoyable. It's more than likely just the negative thinking that keeps this mindset in place. WILL this happen? More than likely not without belief it is possible. which is why I felt so compelled to post on this.
My lows are not nearly as low, and when I experience a bad mood, i dont believe in the mood. The highs are not as high either. But...I believe more in the positive assessment of myself and life in general. That is more me. of course, we must moderate our grandiose tendencies. to bring logic and perspective into our over active highs. When 'high' learn to monitor and judge more accurately what is our fantasy and ground on both ends. Hold on tight to these things on both ends. This is my working theory on how equilibrium can be established. To become a 'witness' of the behaviors as a sort of outside observer and realize that we are indulging in fantasy on the upswing. Part of the problem is in 'owning' any part of the swing. In this idea of permanence if it.
I also beleive that we can slowly ascend into greater happiness in small doses rather than all at once in one manic out of control grab for 'heaven' or whatever. my tac was to try to even out, and then make slow progress to more joy. and though not manic, there is a deeper satisfaction that is more comfortable and consistent. We ALL need that consistency for those around us!!
anyhow, self reflection and self awareness DOES work. And pain is one nasty motivator. It's hard, hard, hard work, but it can be done. I am NOT, not saying medication is not important. But I AM a living testament to what can be done through our own work. i will and CAN defend this. We DO have enormous power simply as human beings. THIS is fact. The only barrier for most of us is belief. but this can be cultivated slowly.
Again...I am only speaking of my experience which was more than likely mild to moderate. And there are different situations, so i will NOT speak for everyone. But..two things are important here. personal responsibility can lead to establishing our own sense of power in our lives and to bring hope to those who feel trapped
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Posted by: Turiye on Feb 20, 2008 9:27 PM
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I am Bi-Polar have been since I can remember, not diagnosed properly until I was 40. I was depressed in my teen years as I became a young adult the mania took over. I take Trileptal, a drug used for epileptics, not a narcotic. If I become manic I can at times elevate to a level of psychosis, then I will take Risperdal, an anti-psychotic. They tell me to take 1 everyday but I only use it when the manic episode lasts longer than 48 hours. Mania manifests itself in a more recognizable, pronounced syndrome as you approach thirty. I would never look up anything about my mania on the internet, books yes, but I know myself now and am capable of recognizing when I am starting to become manic. Speech is speeded up, no sleep, start 50 things and never finish any, I hear voices but it is my own voice asking questions and I in turn answer them, not aloud, in my head, it is repetative insofar as what they are and how I answer.
Mania, Maniac, please do not tell me this is NOT a mental illness, it is.
You must take care of the Psychiatrist that is your presciber because if they are a Big Pharma guy you will become a Zombie.
The only problem I have is the meds flat-line me, my artistic capability is gone. They've told me I am not used to creating when not manic and if I try daily it will come back, liars, sad because I am provoked to stop all meds, and St. Johns Wart cannot help a Manic, please. If it helps you that's great, it also means you are not manic, perchance a bit depressed, because if you were clinically depressed you would have driven yourself off a bridge already.
It is what it is, I know where I begin and where the mania begins and if a cheap simple medication aids me, most of the time, then it is okay, but they suggested Lithium once, I said no F$$KING way.
Lots of us here tonight I thank the author for being upfront, the mentally ill still have much stigma attached to their disease, they want to lock their children away if they know. I appreciate all of the suggestions and honesty everyone has contributed, nice to feel you aren't the only Loon about Town, kidding don't get your knickers in a knot.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Feb 20, 2008 11:24 PM
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people need to treat others around them the same way they wish others to treat them...
Bipolar condition can be very subtle or very intense, but once your familiar with the condition then you can spot the afflicted immediately... they need help ... your help, your compassion and your understanding... don't talk about them other than to enlighten others...
A bipolar condition is one of the worse and least understood mental conditions out there with the exception of Schizophrenia...
Remember Schizophrenia is a split from reality, not a split personality....
and yes... we are in a way... our brothers keepers...
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Posted by: LizBTropez on Feb 21, 2008 3:31 AM
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My husband and I were both slapped with this label.
He was on ADD meds then antidepressants in high school (and those are NOT tested to be used on kids!)
I was on steroids (rx ones, for illness) and antianxiety for abuse.
Yet we both got labeled bipolar.
Why? Because psychiatry is a sham.
Once we both stopped taking those toxins in the amber bottles, and instead started EATING RIGHT, we don't show ANY symptoms of this 'disorder'.
According to the shrinks, we should be going through some nasty mood swings.
Funny, even through 2 pregnancies I had NO mood swings. I don't even get PMS anymore.
Britney's 'disorder' is that she eats a piss poor diet of processed 'foods' garbage that doesn't give her body nutrients. Artificial ingredients, processed sugars, caffeine, alcohol and chemical-laden cigarettes are to blame.
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For me, I have herpes and feel depressed. but site herpesmates.com makes me feel better. I am really receiving many support by joining this.
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Posted by: aethr on Feb 19, 2008 3:34 PM
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Sometimes cycles don't even last a week. And then there are those problematic mixed moods.
Is quetiapine generic where you live? It's still patent protected here in the U.S. Maybe I could afford treatment where you live.
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Posted by: grethart on Feb 19, 2008 9:22 PM
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Since it was an 'unknown' disease or disorder when I was growing up, it was not correctly diagnosed until later in my life. (Besides, no one wanted to admit that there "might be something wrong" with me....)
The pain, suffering, alienation, shame, dangers, injuries, and mishaps this illness has caused me and my family are too many and painful to mention.
It is an 'inherited'(genetic) disease of chemical imbalances that manifest in different forms in different people; almost always with some tragic incidencences seriously affecting or ruining people's lives.
It is an illness that cannot be cured.
One is never free of it.
Medication helps 'manage' the illness, but you are never 'well'.
Your already imbalanced chemistry changes its imbalanced state as you are exposed to life stresses, and as you age.
Regular testing should be done to indicate what chemicals you are or are not producing and in what quantity, providing information needed for assistance in prescribing medication. These imbalances vary from time to time in your life, and are never the same for two people.
Some Psychiatric treatment is inappropriate or inadequate....it may take years to find a good physician....in the meantime you may be medicated inappropriately....or left to self-medicate, which is often the case.
I am now finally being treated by a Clinical Neurologist and Psychiatrist with appropriate testings and prescribed medication adjustments and changes as indicated, supplemented by a large regimen of vitamins, amino acids, nootropics, etc.
This is an illness that cannot be understated, should never be ignored, and should be discussed openly to remove the stigma associated with it.
This illness is chemical imbalances that affect the brain and there should be no stigma with this illness, but unfortunately it still exists.
Diabetics receive medications for their chemical imbalance(s) with no stigma attached, don't they? Shouldn't other types of chemical imbalances be approached in the same fashion? without stigma?'
The unfortunate part is that this disorder is 'inherited'....mine from both paternal and maternal sides of the family. This disorder has subsequently been passed on and manifested in some of my children and grandchildren.
Thank God we are finally recognizing and discussing this illness out in the open.
Thank you for publishing your article.
You are assisting in bringing this out in the open.
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Posted by: thebrattons on Feb 19, 2008 11:43 PM
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I think it's good that mental illness is getting some attention, maybe not all good and it's about time that good journalism focuses on that.
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Posted by: shikejian on Feb 20, 2008 5:03 AM
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Manic-d expresses itself differently with different people. I've never had a frank manic episode but because I went through a mixed episode resulting in a depressive crisis (crash), I'm Type I. I tend toward the depressive side.
Recent findings--together with soft matter physics--show that dopamine and seratonin are not the keys. If they were, why is it some few of us are refractory to anti-depressants and, for some, Lithium does not work?
In truth, because manic-d is an affective disease and involves more than the brain, it is not a mental illness. One of the signs of mental illness is that, over time, intellectual functioning deteriorates. There has been evidence that not only does this not happen with manic-d's, there is often an increase in acuity after a crash. But it looks like one, like schizophrenia, in the past the diagnosis, because of the vast difference in states.
There's tons of scientific information on the Internet; all the writer had to do was look for it.
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Posted by: cybermome1207 on Feb 20, 2008 6:16 AM
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I know this behavior..
about my husband
he was in treatment and on various meds. Had so many therapists, meds. In the end no one could help him.
In the end I believe it was his family trauma that killed him.Not a lot written abut that.Also my mother was bi polar...Co-incidence I doubt it.
I truly married my mother...
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 20, 2008 7:35 AM
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If bipolar disorder is caused by widely varying chemical changes in the brain causing the person to swing along the spectrum from mania to depression, there must be a physical cause.
Something tells me diet and the types of foods people eat plays a big role in this disorder.
Fish oil is known to mitigate depression and it wouldn't surprise me if processed sugars increase symptoms of mania.
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Posted by: rewassenich on Feb 20, 2008 7:40 AM
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For several years I have been living in Russia. Here many people collect herbs and certain plants to drink as tea or to add to their daily cooking. I am collecting three types of herbs drinking three types of teas daily. I have never felt better and I have seen a doctor only twice during the last 8 years.
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Posted by: progressiveview on Feb 20, 2008 8:09 AM
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I immediately started researching the disease I knew nothing about. It was very helpful in understanding and beginning to treat the disease.
One problem I have with most western medicine, is that it treats the symptoms, not the disease itself. This is partly due to our lack of understanding the root cause of the disease. But through this research it became pretty clear to me that the biochemistry of the body and the blood in particular was key to treatment.
I would recommend the following books highly;
"An Unquiet Mind" by Kay Redfield Jamison for an autobiographical account of her battle with bipolar disorder, which she prefers to call Manic Depressive disease.
"The Natural Medicine Guide to Bipolar Disorder" by Stephanie Marohn
"The Omega 3 Connection" by Andrew L. Stoll
My son was given Depakote in the hospital, but it did nothing except make him sleepy. A Psychiatrist he saw after being discharged from the hospital wanted him to take Lithium, but thankfully he has not taken it. Most western trained doctors and psychiatrists push these drugs that have horrible side effects, that treat only the symptoms. I wonder if they would take them, themselves?
He is seeing an ND (Naturapathic Doctor) and taking Fish Oil, Vitamin B Complex, 5HTP and Magnesium, as well we Vitamin C & E.
His biochemistry indicates that he is very deficient in the stress related hormones, so his doctor has developed a treatment to being them back to normal levels.
It will take time, but I am confident that he will get better, particularly when his biochemistry is balanced and normal again. It will need to be monitored over a period of time.
It is in interesting disease and imagine having one where you are full of energy and your mind is racing along and you are very productive. It is another form of consciousness.
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Posted by: Zimbly on Feb 20, 2008 8:28 AM
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All are convenient ways to avoiding the truth.
Its well known that Britteny has been a SSRI user. Its also well known that she is erratic about using them . Many people will experience very severe physical and psychological symptoms when you stop taking your SSRI's Cold turkey or take them one day and then 2 days later. Its called withdrawal or withdrawal syndrome. I suggest folks here do their research, just type in the word Paxil and withdrawal, you'll see.
What we have in this society is a pharmaceutical epidemic that is destroying peoples lives, literally. SSRIs are powerful , dangerous mind altering drugs that need to be re-evaluated and the public educated about the serious dangers they pose.
Unfortunately this article, though having some good points, misses the main reason for this crisis right now. Oh and if you ask your doctor about withdrawal..good luck.
Its time for a change, as long as doctors are being funded by Big Pharma and there is no REAL independent research on SSRI's, the real story will never emerge. Folks don't believe me, do your own research, get informed.
The whole sad thing about Britteny's tragedy is it can be avoided. Right now she is on an SSRI and benzo merry-go-round and unless she finds a way of safely tapering off these drugs, her life will continue to spiral into that abyss and even runs the risk of losing it. Meanwhile, not a word of truth comes out in the media as to what started this.
The most insidious thing about SSRI's is that the user is not aware of the subtle but profound changes that have taken place in their brain and body, then we have the whole medical establishment sinking their heads in the sand and denying that their wonder drug can possible do or be the source of any wrong.The wanton profligacy of SSRI's by doctors is simply stunning. From having a stomach ache to high blood pressure to a running nose, without any regard to the serious health risks involved. This is a drug that was passed by the FDA after 6 weeks of testing...6 weeks...
So folks, caveat emptor..get yourself informed and when you are experiencing severe mood swings or other adverse effects from your SSRI and Doc spouts out the pronouncement.."you have Bi-Polar disorder"... alarm bells and red flags should be popping up all over the place.
Its time for a change and time to put a stop to this very serious but avoidable epidemic.
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It is not a genetic disease, but a physiological disorder. Our environment, not our genes, determine our behaviour as individuals and mania, depression, manic-depression, happiness, sadness, sorrow, anger etc etc etc., are all determined by our environment.
There is no drug that can cure, or correct, emotional distress. Love is the only thing that can heal emotional distress, and there's not a lot of that about in any culture that is driven by materialistic and/or ideological religious values.
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In my own quest for sanity in an insane world I have discovered two therapies that I think could be of great help to "BD" sufferers, one of them is the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) which works on reprogramming the energy associated with traumatic experiences and the other is binaural-beat therapy which balances the hemispheres of the brain, induces heightened brain activity and opens up neural pathways.
I would also like to recommend "Cho-Wa" tea, made with medicinal mushrooms (Reishi, Shitake and Maitake).
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peace and well wishes and very heartfelt condolensces
clyde
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Posted by: alternitpic on Feb 20, 2008 6:20 PM
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I had personally suffered from mild manic depression. I definately had the symptoms. I began working very, very, very hard on undersanding what was happening with me, triggers, emotions, etc. the causal internal world and mechanics. I realized i had a lot of emotional baggage and beliefs and was clouded, conditioned, and super ignorant of many, many things of value in LIFE and in living life. Whether it was chemically induced or not wasn't important to me. I set out to do whatever i could to overcome my problem.
i can say with absolute confidence I had many of the symptoms of manic depression. Again, more than likely a light to moderate case. i can also say with absolute confidence that my whole internal environment has changed. i am sure there are many who would love to refute this or those who would even be angry for me suggesting that it isn't anything but biologically based.
But...I know my case well enough to know. And i know that becoming internally and externally aware can really change the way we see the world. changing the way we see the world WILL have an effect on moods. This does NOT mean we don't have a hill of karma to work on (i look at karma as basic conditioning from repitition. if you want to take this back to other lives, I'm down with that too. but...the significant conditioning is the one in this life I feel. and that is simple conditioning in western parlance). but...i am sure that there's both an awareness that can be cultivated, skills that can be honed, and a life of negative conditioning that can be reversed at least to some appreciable degree to make life more enjoyable. It's more than likely just the negative thinking that keeps this mindset in place. WILL this happen? More than likely not without belief it is possible. which is why I felt so compelled to post on this.
My lows are not nearly as low, and when I experience a bad mood, i dont believe in the mood. The highs are not as high either. But...I believe more in the positive assessment of myself and life in general. That is more me. of course, we must moderate our grandiose tendencies. to bring logic and perspective into our over active highs. When 'high' learn to monitor and judge more accurately what is our fantasy and ground on both ends. Hold on tight to these things on both ends. This is my working theory on how equilibrium can be established. To become a 'witness' of the behaviors as a sort of outside observer and realize that we are indulging in fantasy on the upswing. Part of the problem is in 'owning' any part of the swing. In this idea of permanence if it.
I also beleive that we can slowly ascend into greater happiness in small doses rather than all at once in one manic out of control grab for 'heaven' or whatever. my tac was to try to even out, and then make slow progress to more joy. and though not manic, there is a deeper satisfaction that is more comfortable and consistent. We ALL need that consistency for those around us!!
anyhow, self reflection and self awareness DOES work. And pain is one nasty motivator. It's hard, hard, hard work, but it can be done. I am NOT, not saying medication is not important. But I AM a living testament to what can be done through our own work. i will and CAN defend this. We DO have enormous power simply as human beings. THIS is fact. The only barrier for most of us is belief. but this can be cultivated slowly.
Again...I am only speaking of my experience which was more than likely mild to moderate. And there are different situations, so i will NOT speak for everyone. But..two things are important here. personal responsibility can lead to establishing our own sense of power in our lives and to bring hope to those who feel trapped
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Posted by: Turiye on Feb 20, 2008 9:27 PM
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I am Bi-Polar have been since I can remember, not diagnosed properly until I was 40. I was depressed in my teen years as I became a young adult the mania took over. I take Trileptal, a drug used for epileptics, not a narcotic. If I become manic I can at times elevate to a level of psychosis, then I will take Risperdal, an anti-psychotic. They tell me to take 1 everyday but I only use it when the manic episode lasts longer than 48 hours. Mania manifests itself in a more recognizable, pronounced syndrome as you approach thirty. I would never look up anything about my mania on the internet, books yes, but I know myself now and am capable of recognizing when I am starting to become manic. Speech is speeded up, no sleep, start 50 things and never finish any, I hear voices but it is my own voice asking questions and I in turn answer them, not aloud, in my head, it is repetative insofar as what they are and how I answer.
Mania, Maniac, please do not tell me this is NOT a mental illness, it is.
You must take care of the Psychiatrist that is your presciber because if they are a Big Pharma guy you will become a Zombie.
The only problem I have is the meds flat-line me, my artistic capability is gone. They've told me I am not used to creating when not manic and if I try daily it will come back, liars, sad because I am provoked to stop all meds, and St. Johns Wart cannot help a Manic, please. If it helps you that's great, it also means you are not manic, perchance a bit depressed, because if you were clinically depressed you would have driven yourself off a bridge already.
It is what it is, I know where I begin and where the mania begins and if a cheap simple medication aids me, most of the time, then it is okay, but they suggested Lithium once, I said no F$$KING way.
Lots of us here tonight I thank the author for being upfront, the mentally ill still have much stigma attached to their disease, they want to lock their children away if they know. I appreciate all of the suggestions and honesty everyone has contributed, nice to feel you aren't the only Loon about Town, kidding don't get your knickers in a knot.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Feb 20, 2008 11:24 PM
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people need to treat others around them the same way they wish others to treat them...
Bipolar condition can be very subtle or very intense, but once your familiar with the condition then you can spot the afflicted immediately... they need help ... your help, your compassion and your understanding... don't talk about them other than to enlighten others...
A bipolar condition is one of the worse and least understood mental conditions out there with the exception of Schizophrenia...
Remember Schizophrenia is a split from reality, not a split personality....
and yes... we are in a way... our brothers keepers...
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Posted by: LizBTropez on Feb 21, 2008 3:31 AM
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My husband and I were both slapped with this label.
He was on ADD meds then antidepressants in high school (and those are NOT tested to be used on kids!)
I was on steroids (rx ones, for illness) and antianxiety for abuse.
Yet we both got labeled bipolar.
Why? Because psychiatry is a sham.
Once we both stopped taking those toxins in the amber bottles, and instead started EATING RIGHT, we don't show ANY symptoms of this 'disorder'.
According to the shrinks, we should be going through some nasty mood swings.
Funny, even through 2 pregnancies I had NO mood swings. I don't even get PMS anymore.
Britney's 'disorder' is that she eats a piss poor diet of processed 'foods' garbage that doesn't give her body nutrients. Artificial ingredients, processed sugars, caffeine, alcohol and chemical-laden cigarettes are to blame.
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Posted by: redceres on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM
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