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Dental Decay: The Hidden Health Crisis
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Currently, Medicaid only covers pulling teeth to treat infections -- not root canals or dentures -- which can certainly dim the job prospects for someone trying to earn a living in our economy.
"Try finding work when you're in your 30s or 40s and you're missing front teeth," Jane Stephenson, founder of the New Opportunity School in Berea, Kentucky told the Times.
According to Maryland Senator Ben Cardin's staff, dental decay is now the most common chronic childhood disease in the US, affecting twenty percent of children aged 2 to 4, fifty percent of those aged 6 to 8, and nearly sixty percent of fifteen year olds. It is five times more common than asthma among school age children, and nearly 40 percent of African-American children have untreated tooth decay in their adult teeth. Improper hygiene can increase a child's adult risk of having low birth-weight babies, developing heart disease, or suffering a stroke. Eighty percent of all dental problems are found in just 25 percent of children, primarily those from lower-income families.
In March, in response to Driver's death, Cardin cosponsored the Children's Dental Health Improvement Act of 2007 along with Senator Jeff Bingaman, who had pushed similar legislation for seven years. The bill called for $40 million annually for five years to help community health centers hire dentists to serve poor children. It also would have awarded $50 million in grants to help states improve dental services to children enrolled in Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). At the time, Cardin said on the Senate floor: "It is outrageous today that in America, a young boy can die because his family can't find a dentist to remove an infected tooth. It is not enough simply to mourn Deamonte's death. We must learn from this failure of our health-care system and take action to make sure it never happens again."
The dental bill was folded into the CHIP bill. The final version of CHIP -- passed by Congress and vetoed by President Bush -- didn't contain the grants sought by Cardin and Bingaman but it did guarantee dental coverage to kids and also established minimum standards of care. Senator Cardin explained the dilemma he and his colleagues faced: "When things get tight in state budgets, one of the first things they cut is something that's not mandated, so when we had to choose between grants to cover dental benefits or a guarantee of dental care, the latter was a greater, immediate priority. We know now that dental care is vital to a child's overall health -- experts tell us that it impacts many other aspects of their health as well. Not to mention it's an indicator of one's ability to get ahead and thrive," he said.
Cardin, Bingaman, and their allies were successful in passing $5 million in grants in the Labor Health and Human Services bill to help states reach poor kids but clearly -- as indicated by the initial grant request -- the need is far greater than that. Even Cardin said of the CHIP bill, "There is more work to do ... . We still have to improve reimbursement for dental providers [so more dentists will participate in Medicaid], and get grants to the states to allow them to offer dental wraparound coverage for those who may have health coverage, but no dental insurance."
A Cardin spokeswoman also said that this is the best that Democrats were able to achieve at this time. "Clearly healthcare in the US needs help. We need to fix the system as a whole and Democrats in the Senate are trying to make changes that reflect those priorities."
Indeed, improving reimbursement rates and the availability of dentists is necessary in order for poor kids to avoid long waiting lists and get the timely services needed. (One dentist, for example, told the Washington Post that an abscess "is like a time bomb, ticking.") When Driver passed away nearly a year ago the state Senate initially responded with legislation to provide $2 million annually over the next three years to expand dental clinics for the poor. But it was determined at the time that the funds were not available, causing State Senator Jamie Raskin to tell me, "We always have enough money for things we don't need -- like funding the war in Iraq, or boondoggle projects that will make developers a lot of money. But when it comes to things we do need -- like dental care for kids -- suddenly there's no money."
According to the Washington Post, less than one-third of nearly 500,000 Maryland children on Medicaid saw a dentist last year, "a statistic that is typical of the problem nationwide." But things are looking a little better in the state now. After Driver's death, Maryland Department of Health & Mental Hygiene Secretary John M. Colmers created a Dental Action Committee to make concrete recommendations on what could be done to increase access of dental care providers for lower-income people. One of the key recommendations was a $44 million grant to raise Medicaid reimbursement rates equal to the median charges in the Atlantic region. Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley's proposed budget -- released yesterday -- requests $16.1 million, including $14 million to increase Medicaid reimbursement rates ($7 million from the state, matched by the federal government); $1.4 million for two new dental clinics in regions that currently don't have them; and $700,000 for a mobile dental clinic to serve the school system. Colmers said they hope to phase-in the $44 million Medicaid allotment over 3 years.
"We're not going to solve these problems overnight," Colmers told me. "This is a substantial down-payment towards reaching our goals."
Raskin agreed. "You feel the difference between having Democrats and Republicans in state office on an issue like this. The Democrats really feel that the maldistribution of dental care is a scandal and are willing to pay to get dental care to poor kids. Budget times are tough but this is an excellent use of targeted funds," he said. "The Democrats feel very passionate about this. I talk to constituents who tell me that the quality of dental care people receives has become a very good predictor of how well they will progress in the work force and how well they will do in life. Dental care is key to individual opportunity in America."
Although there has been much talk about healthcare reform in the presidential campaign, there has been little mention of dental care. The Obama and Edwards campaigns declined to comment for this article. Ann Lewis, Senior Advisor at Hillary Clinton for President, pointed to a recent speech Senator Clinton delivered in Iowa where she made her commitment to dental coverage clear -- and it happened to touch on Deamonte Driver's death: "I want to cover dental care. And in the congressional plan, which I open up to everybody ... there are more than 250 plan choices. Most of them cover dental care. One of the things we are finding out is all of the connections between dental problems and heart disease, between dental problems and other systemic conditions. So, if we don't cover dental care, you're going to miss a lot of the problems that will then get very expensive ... I talked about the story of a young boy, 12-years old, living in Maryland ... had a toothache. [His mother] couldn't find a dentist to take him because they didn't have any money for a dentist. They called every dentist they could get and some were very sympathetic, but they said, 'Well, we already have our full compliment of charity patients. We can't take anybody else.' Turned out he had an abscess. The abscess burst, so he ends up in Johns Hopkins Hospital. They tried to save him. He dies. The hospital incurred $300,000 worth of medical care trying to save him because his mother couldn't get a $60, $70, $80 ... dental visit. So that's the kind of story that underscores the unfairness of the system, but also the importance of covering dental care, and I intend to do everything I can to make that happen."
It's good to see some Democrats on the Hill -- and in the statehouses -- working so hard to craft a sane and humane response to this epidemic. Much remains to be done, but there are good people who will keep this on the radar and continue this fight.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 25, 2008 12:41 AM
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When is this nation going to get smart and DEMAND universal healthcare, Dental, Optical and Psychiatric included, as the first priority of any candidate for Federal office (House/Senate/President). I don't want to hear one word about anything else a candidate has to say until they answer this question.
NeoCons and knuckle draggers accuse Progressives of having litmus tests. So why not? This issue is important enough to stand or fall on.
Inauguration Day is less than 1 year away...
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Posted by: writerman on Jan 25, 2008 2:06 AM
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On a larger, international level, one can use dental standards a quick, but accurate barometer of how well a country's social and health-care system functions as a whole. The standards of dental care offered in the Scandinavian countries are shockingly better than those available in the United States.
Irritatingly, it's not really true that an abysmal health-care system is actually 'cheaper' for a modern society, or at least only if one has a narrow and very primative understanding of how society allocates resources.
What's also bizarre is how grossly unfair the entire system is becoming. Gigantic inequalities are sign of how unhealthy a society is, not of how wealthy. What's absurd and terribly backward about America is the ghastly ignorance, stupidity, and brutality of its ruling class. They are out-of-touch with objective reality for the most part, and live rarified and isolated lives, almost like the French aristocracy in pre-revolutionary France, and we all know how that ended! Roll on 1789!
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 25, 2008 3:34 AM
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Every dentist knows that you should get your teeth cleaned once every six months. Medi Cal only pays for a cleaning ONCE A YEAR! It is really cheap and cost effective to get patients to have their teeth cleaned on a regular basis, because it is preventive dental care that takes care of hygiene, resulting in lower dental bills later on in the long run.
I have an abfraction in tooth #18 and Medi Cal won't pay for it. I tried contacting all sorts of non-profit programs but they have waiting lists 5 years long.
Medi-Cal told me that I should let my tooth continue to rot - and when the cavity gets REALLY big, then they will pay to fix it. That will cost a lot more than the $75.00 it would cost to fix the abfraction in #18 tooth.
There is a free clinic in town, but they only pull rotting teeth - they don't clean teeth or do any other kind of service.
I actually HAVE dental coverage but really its only on paper, since every time in the last 10 years I needed dental care - Medi Cal refused to pay for it.
My income from disability benefits is only $12,000 a year, I live in HUD SEction 8 apt. It is impossible for me to pay out of pocket for my own dental care. I'll just have to wait until my tooth rots a lot THEN my dental plan will pay to get it fixed.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 25, 2008 5:27 AM
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It may divert our attention away from much more serious problems?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 25, 2008 7:13 AM
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Posted by: carpee on Jan 25, 2008 7:38 AM
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What has this country become?
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jan 25, 2008 8:25 AM
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a) fluoride in the drinking water, which does nothing good for anyone's teeth and dumbs us down.
b) So many kids go to sleep with some kind of sugar drink. Parents dont do a great job of ensuring that kids dont drink anything but water after they brush their teeth at night. (If they make them brush their teeth at all!)
Come on, I bet Deamonte Driver's parents had cable tv. They could afford to sit there like zombies being brainwashed by the corporate media, but of course they couldnt spend $80 on a basic dental treatment. I dont know if they had cable or not, but I do know that the kids tooth wouldnt have decayed if the parents actually raised their kid with some common sense. Fluoride or no, teeth dont rot out in less than a decade unless there's some damn poor general dental hygiene involved. No dentist can help with that.
This is not a nanny state. This is not something that requires government intervention. All the government will do is dump more fluoride in the water and make people even friggin dumber and then maybe every kid will be falling asleep with a bottle of corn syrup in their hand.
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Posted by: chr on Jan 25, 2008 9:24 AM
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3 yrs ago I had beautiful teeth.
Then I lost a filling and simply didn't have $1100 to fix it (cost of root canal and replacing the filling). Infection and decay from that tooth slowly spread to my other teeth. Thus far I've lost most of my lower jaw teeth, and several of my upper jaw teeth. It would cost around $7000 - 8000 to save my remaining teeth. If I could just afford to have the bad teeth pulled - that would at least deter the deterioration from spreading to the healthy teeth. But extraction is $400-600 PER tooth, I don't have that kind of money. All I can do is wait to lose all of my teeth and hopefully scrape enough money together for dentures.
It's been 4 yrs since my husband's death and I won't even consider dating because of my teeth. It's so embarrassing and humiliating that I rarely venture into a public setting. I'm even self-conscious about smiling at my daughter because I feel like I'm setting a bad example.
The point I was trying to make is that it's so much more than a physical ailment. It can literally control your life and relationships - and there is no where to turn for assistance or relief.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 25, 2008 9:24 AM
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On average, dental care in this country isn't all that bad though--anyone ever been to Japan or ol' Blighty?
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Posted by: sarahk on Jan 25, 2008 9:28 AM
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What was missing that could have prevented problems was regular dental care that could have stopped small cavities from turning into massive infections. We were too poor to get dental treatment, and no, we did not spend the money on cable TV or other entertainment. We did not have a TV in the house. We were busy spending money on organic fruits and veggies.
There is no pain like the pain of an infected tooth. I feel sick in my stomach thinking of the pain that Demonte and other children like him have to suffer.
I do think there may be a genetic element to tooth decay. Some people seem very prone to dental problems even though their lifestyle is healthier than others who have little or no dental problems.
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Posted by: Nasookin on Jan 25, 2008 9:48 AM
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Not withstanding 70 percent of Americans are subjected to fluoride exposure in their drinking water and food processed with it and many prescription drugs (including SSRI anti depressants tweaked with a fluorine molecule), it is virtually impossible to find a low priced toothpaste free of fluoride.
Since the United States is the most over fluoridated country in the world. It should have the lowest rate of dental decay among its population. In fact, the worst areas of tooth decay are in major metropolitan areas like New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore and the District of Columbia - all fluoridate. But the CDC keeps pushing.
Today's tooth decay problem is the consequence of endemic truth decay among those who promoted a "one size fits all" solution rather than deal with the real culprits: Nutrient depleted junk food and lack of education in proper dental hygiene.
The following is an admission that Fluoridation has been nothing but one big 60 year experiment of mass mediation on the American public: The FDA states in its proposed rule making: “As can be seen from [table 11b] of this document, the population-coverage and population-weighted AIs [Adequate Intake] for fluoride... exceed the UL [Tolerable Upper Intake Level] for children 4 to 8 years.”
One definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome.
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Posted by: VickyinSD on Jan 25, 2008 10:10 AM
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Even though the dental coverage for MediCal patients is only minimal coverage at best, it's more than many have without it, and if eliminated will leave those covered under MediCal with NO option when problems arise.
What a joke! (I would laugh, if I could honestly see the humor in it.)
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Posted by: shinseiji on Jan 25, 2008 10:23 AM
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Ms. vanden Heuvel then follows this with a cheap plug for Clinton, clearly the most reactionary of the Democratic candidates overall, ending on the note that "It's good" - no doubt it makes Ms. vanden Heuvel feel good - "to see some Democrats on the Hill -- and in the statehouses -- working so hard to craft a sane and humane response to this epidemic. Much remains to be done, but there are good people who will keep this on the radar and continue this fight."
But there can be no doubt that the Democrats will do nothing comprehensive to actually end this crisis on a Federal-wide level. This is particularly true of the Clinton Democrats, whose policies in the 1990's did so much to promote this crisis in health care.
But they will gladly "feel your pain" in exchange for your vote, while they introduce their funding bills for propaganda effect, knowing full well they have no chance of implementation. Most importantly, they will make well-heeled leftists feel good about promoting the Democrats as a "solution" to a problem that party has done so much to cause in the first place.
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Posted by: morticia on Jan 25, 2008 10:32 AM
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Posted by: jenp77 on Jan 25, 2008 11:30 AM
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Posted by: frantic1971 on Jan 25, 2008 11:33 AM
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I am in charge of the initial dental processing of new recruits, and the dental conditions of these kids is truly appalling. I haven't seen dental health as bad as this since my stint as a dentist in the Peace Corps. As bad as anything I saw in the third world. It's a dentist's nightmare: impacted wisdom teeth, advanced pyorrhea, untreated abcesses.. you name it.
Most of them are from the trailer parks and innercities. They are clearly embarassed by their dental conditions. For most of them, I am the first real dental care they have had in their lives. They tell some sad stories: about not having the money to afford a dentist. About pulling teeth with pliers and treating toothache with salt water. One young man told me he shoplifted penicillin from the vet supply store in his town to treat a tooth infection.
Many of these young men (and women) are well on their way to being toothless by the age of 30.
What causes it? In two words: poverty and bad diet. And both are probably related. No money for dental care, and no money for proper nutrition in the critical early years.
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Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Jan 25, 2008 12:04 PM
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I have another loose tooth. It hasn't reached the point of actually falling out yet, but it would be nice to be able to have these teeth pulled and get dentures before the bone to which they are attached deteriorates to a point where it won't hold dentures. Unless something changes, I fear I'm doomed to become a toothless old hag.
In a supposedly wealthy nation like ours, it is a travesty that dental care is not universally available. There is absolutely no reason for a child to die from a dental abscess, or for a person to have to pull her own teeth.
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Posted by: flapdoodle on Jan 25, 2008 1:58 PM
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Sounds weird I know. I told my dentist about it and he said that lots of things will work for awhile but bacteria of any type will eventualy from an immunity from any substance- even Listerine. In thinking that over though I realized that it can't be true in the case of alcohol, because alcohol is universally used as a disinfectant- because it works! And it doesn't stop working. Another good thing about it is that being a liquid- not a paste, it penetrates easily to the base of the teeth, where most of the trouble happens. Use it as a mouthwash, then, while it's still in your mouth start brushing.,
I'm sorry not to have any suggestions regarding recovering alcoholics, or children. Everyone will have to work that out for themselves.
Meanwhile, if you have tooth decay or gum problems give it a try. Cheap vodka is actually best because it doesn't contain flovoring or other additives.
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Posted by: moontime on Jan 25, 2008 2:12 PM
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The fluoride they put in the water (and foods/drinks) is not the kind that is good for you and is in fact bad for your teeth, not to mention it literally rots holes in your brain. It is a byproduct of the aluminum industry. It was first used by Hitler in the camps to make the prisoners docile.
It is also in your food, any processed food with water as an ingredient is most likely made with fluoridated water. We need to end this practice of putting this crap in our water immediately.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:24 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:29 PM
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We need a profession that doesn't act like a street gang just to avoid a gigantic impending class action suit, taking bitter revenge on its inside squealers and stoolies. We need honest science, not people who make Kansas school boards look like Einstein.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:35 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:41 PM
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What we put into our kids in sickening school lunches is part of why kids have such bad teeth. We can control these problems. The kids are smarter and do better in school, and they don't break things, which is a strange financial reason for schools to clean up their food, but I've heard one report that the savings in the maintenance budget were in fact equal to the cost of better food plus the cost of losing a lucrative soda machine contract.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:47 PM
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Posted by: atka on Jan 25, 2008 5:10 PM
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I also agree that fluoride is bad. I also think that dental health is partially genetic - some people have a higher risk of developing cavities than others, even with equal care/diet. Both my husband and I have had problems with our teeth (he grew up poor, I grew up behind the Iron Curtain) so I made sure my daughter takes care of her teeth and knock on wood, she's 14 and not a single cavity ever! I ensure she brushes and flosses daily, and eats a healthy diet with fruit and vegetables. I also have well water and don't allow fluoride treatments from the dentist. And the main thing - no sodas EVER (unless she's at a birthday party or something), there is NONE at home, nothing but water after brushing teeth, very little candy/processed foods. But then, I'm 'middle class' and can afford it. If I were working at Walmart, I probably couldn't. There is a huge disconnect between what the poor eat/can afford (also known as the 'real economy') and what our legislators and candidates, all wealthy and priviledged, experience.
I remember my parents (in Poland) telling me that you can tell an American from a Brit by the quality of his/her teeth - American were white and even while the Brits' teeth were decayed, yellow and crooked (see the old Beatles' pix). It is obvious that at some point dental care here was better. Now, what happened? Reagonomics???
Oh, and one last thing. I lived in Nigeria for 3 years in the eighties. In the bush. Most of the people there had one pair of flip-flops, pants and t-shirt, toothbrushes and toothpaste were a luxury. They used chewed up twigs to dislodge food particles from their teeth (similar to our flossing)and ate home cooked meals(I mean not processed foods, even if purchased from a street vendor). Their snacks were roasted unsalted peanuts, coconuts, roasted plaintains with hot chili sauce, bushmeat on a stick, and fruit. I've never seen people with whiter, healthier teeth! So yeah, our Western diet is a culprit.
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I have met better thugs in an alley!!!!
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Thats 2 teeth! WOW! I know 3 dentists in Reno where I live. They all have families with over 6 kids!!!!! I guess they can afford them............
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Posted by: FRoller on Jan 25, 2008 10:19 PM
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If more people took care of their teeth there would be more money to help those with real dental problems.
Dental cleaning costs $150 bucks per visit, without any plan, in the middle of silicon valley. It is necessary, and affordable (three fill-ups in your suv?). So instead of wasting money on your cell phone plans and text messaging, maybe save some money and get your teeth cleaned regularly. Save? What's that you say?
Americans need to prioritize and stop acting like victims. You are your own worst enemy.
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Posted by: Beagle17 on Jan 26, 2008 4:27 AM
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On top of that, the dentist will apologize for the expensive fee because I am not hooked up on the national insurance at the moment. If I was, it'd probably cost me about $12 or so - not sure.
Also, I once went to Portugal where I had two wisdom teeth extracted that were stupidly left in on recommendation of a specialist in my home area in Canada. The Portuguese dentist was the best I'd ever visited. She told me the 2 teeth remining were putting lots of pressure on all my teeth causing chronic problems. She was right. Since their removal, I can floss much more easily and have had few problems.
She also did a cleaning, fixed a botched root canal, and did a filling or two. The total bill, if I can recall, was just over US$100.
Citizens of countries like Canada and the United States live with blinders on. They always assume that they receive the best quality of care for a fair price determined by logical market forces. But this is just an illusion. Visit any "recently-developed" country around the world and you will find that quality, affordable medical care is available without insurance. And there is usually (always?) a national insurance plan too, for those who may want to use it, such as families.
There is no reason that costs are so high in Canada and the U.S. except that the systems there are entrenched and held in place by vested interests.
If the U.S. thinks copying Canada's system is the solution to their problems, they had better think again. Watch the documentary, Dead Meat.
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Posted by: rwday@cox.net on Jan 26, 2008 4:40 AM
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I'd wager that most of the commenters here are middle class or better. We probably work in positions that put us behind a desk, using brain power as opposed to muscle. I work at a library, for instance, and even with the relative ease of my job, quite often I'm too tired at the end of the day to cook a proper meal. How much more tired will the nurse's aid, the Walmart worker be? McDonald's is real tempting when your feet are aching and your kids are nagging for the latest toy they've seen on the Happy Meal commercial.
I can look at a pack of chicken thighs, some carrots, onions, flour and such and see meal possibilities because my mother taught me to cook. Cooking isn't something programmed into a mother's genetic code. Sure, you can go to the library and get a cookbook, assuming you have a decent library that's still funded in your town. Assuming that you have transportation to the library. Assuming that you have time to get to the library during the hours the library is open. Assuming you can read adequately enough to follow the instructions in the first place.
Speaking of transportation, it's really easy for me to pack heavy bags of potatoes, bulky fruits and vegetables and such into the back of my car. If I'm limited to what I can carry on a bus or in my hands as I walk home from a tiny city market, I'm likely going to be buying convenience foods because they pack easily into bags. And they're cheap, and frequently the focus of targeted sales.
It used to be there were programs through social services to teach budgeting, food storage and preparation. But now, helping the poor means tossing them into the lake and seeing if they can swim. That's how my father learned to swim in 1930. He knew, though, that his older brother was right there and would pull him out if he got into real trouble. Someone needs to remind these largely Christian Republicans who their brothers, their neighbors are.
Finally, the focus of this article isn't adults, it's children. Children cannot make their own food choices. They're at the mercy of the adults in their lives. The point of a safety net is to be there when the primary systems, in this case the family, fails. I don't care what personal choices on the part of that boy's parents may have led to his tooth infection - I only care that he died in pain amidst plenty from something regular dental care would have prevented.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 26, 2008 5:32 PM
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Now that which was once considered basic in America is only for the upper middle class and the rich. Something is very very wrong here.
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Posted by: richardmoss1 on Jan 29, 2008 2:53 AM
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in my late teens, i immediately started brushing after each meal and by my early 20's eliminated practically all refined sugars.
on a average i see the dentist once every 3 - 5 years, mainly concerned am i missing any areas and there is never any tartar build up anymore, i'm very much aware the most challenging areas to clean.
hydrogen proxide is kind of hard on the gums, but a small toothbrush, a real small pinpointed soft brush along the sides of the teeth/gumline, a gum stimulator, and floss.... work a antibacterial and/or salt water, and/or baking soda when you floss.. in between the pockets and once every month or two brush with vinegar only for about 30 seconds, then floss, you will be amazed how well it softens up any spots missed... and once every week or two salt dries out any hidden bacteria. haven't seen the dentist for years.. salt will definitely let you know if there's a minor infection developing along the gum line.. it's really your responsibility to keep your teeth for life... got tired going to the dentist once a year and asking him areas i'm missing, now see the dentist once every 3 - 5 years, even then it appears just for a checkup, it appears i'm aware of all the spots that need cleaning.. really don't want to get couple of microns loss each the dentist scraps the roots ... he doesn't need to anymore...
one of the very most important things is to rinse your mouth out REAL WELL after eating like immediately and not just rinse, but for 5 minutes, there will be practically nothing to brush and once a day make sure to brush the tongue and gums... but be gentle along the gumline... it really is your responsibility
to care for your teeth.. a dentist cannot do it for you... but remember.. after eating immediately rinse your teeth really well, about 5 minutes should do it... IMMEDIATELY after eating, don't even wait a minute or two before rinsing, then rinse for 3 - 5 minutes to get all the simple carboydrates out of your mouth.. you will know if you rinsed 15 minutes later when you do brush your teeth and you may find there's very little to brush
dental health is extremely important... yes teeth and gums can slowly heel.. i guarntees
but i've heard gigivitis/periodontal disease
cannot exist around salt and/or baking soda,
but it does change the ph of the environment
unnaturally.. but working water with baking soda or salt in between the teeth will the floss helps me out alot.. i'm really glad
for the most part i've taken responsibility
to seiver dependence on the dentist for in
what reality is my responsibility and you can
keep them healthy for life
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Posted by: richardmoss1 on Jan 29, 2008 3:05 AM
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and even more important is to keep the gums healthy... it is true .. infected pockets or
even worse is a very serious health issue, at
least equally important as any other to not
allow infections to persists in gum pockets..
it is THAT important... almost guarnteed
neglected to become a serious infection...
you'll never eliminate the bacteria.. you
want to stay slightly ahead of it and most
definitely floss by the 2'nd day
what's a shame is everyone believes the dentist will take care of your teeth and they don't..
it's YOUR responsibility
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 25, 2008 12:41 AM
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When is this nation going to get smart and DEMAND universal healthcare, Dental, Optical and Psychiatric included, as the first priority of any candidate for Federal office (House/Senate/President). I don't want to hear one word about anything else a candidate has to say until they answer this question.
NeoCons and knuckle draggers accuse Progressives of having litmus tests. So why not? This issue is important enough to stand or fall on.
Inauguration Day is less than 1 year away...
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Posted by: writerman on Jan 25, 2008 2:06 AM
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On a larger, international level, one can use dental standards a quick, but accurate barometer of how well a country's social and health-care system functions as a whole. The standards of dental care offered in the Scandinavian countries are shockingly better than those available in the United States.
Irritatingly, it's not really true that an abysmal health-care system is actually 'cheaper' for a modern society, or at least only if one has a narrow and very primative understanding of how society allocates resources.
What's also bizarre is how grossly unfair the entire system is becoming. Gigantic inequalities are sign of how unhealthy a society is, not of how wealthy. What's absurd and terribly backward about America is the ghastly ignorance, stupidity, and brutality of its ruling class. They are out-of-touch with objective reality for the most part, and live rarified and isolated lives, almost like the French aristocracy in pre-revolutionary France, and we all know how that ended! Roll on 1789!
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 25, 2008 3:34 AM
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Every dentist knows that you should get your teeth cleaned once every six months. Medi Cal only pays for a cleaning ONCE A YEAR! It is really cheap and cost effective to get patients to have their teeth cleaned on a regular basis, because it is preventive dental care that takes care of hygiene, resulting in lower dental bills later on in the long run.
I have an abfraction in tooth #18 and Medi Cal won't pay for it. I tried contacting all sorts of non-profit programs but they have waiting lists 5 years long.
Medi-Cal told me that I should let my tooth continue to rot - and when the cavity gets REALLY big, then they will pay to fix it. That will cost a lot more than the $75.00 it would cost to fix the abfraction in #18 tooth.
There is a free clinic in town, but they only pull rotting teeth - they don't clean teeth or do any other kind of service.
I actually HAVE dental coverage but really its only on paper, since every time in the last 10 years I needed dental care - Medi Cal refused to pay for it.
My income from disability benefits is only $12,000 a year, I live in HUD SEction 8 apt. It is impossible for me to pay out of pocket for my own dental care. I'll just have to wait until my tooth rots a lot THEN my dental plan will pay to get it fixed.
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It may divert our attention away from much more serious problems?
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Posted by: carpee on Jan 25, 2008 7:38 AM
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What has this country become?
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jan 25, 2008 8:25 AM
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a) fluoride in the drinking water, which does nothing good for anyone's teeth and dumbs us down.
b) So many kids go to sleep with some kind of sugar drink. Parents dont do a great job of ensuring that kids dont drink anything but water after they brush their teeth at night. (If they make them brush their teeth at all!)
Come on, I bet Deamonte Driver's parents had cable tv. They could afford to sit there like zombies being brainwashed by the corporate media, but of course they couldnt spend $80 on a basic dental treatment. I dont know if they had cable or not, but I do know that the kids tooth wouldnt have decayed if the parents actually raised their kid with some common sense. Fluoride or no, teeth dont rot out in less than a decade unless there's some damn poor general dental hygiene involved. No dentist can help with that.
This is not a nanny state. This is not something that requires government intervention. All the government will do is dump more fluoride in the water and make people even friggin dumber and then maybe every kid will be falling asleep with a bottle of corn syrup in their hand.
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Posted by: chr on Jan 25, 2008 9:24 AM
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3 yrs ago I had beautiful teeth.
Then I lost a filling and simply didn't have $1100 to fix it (cost of root canal and replacing the filling). Infection and decay from that tooth slowly spread to my other teeth. Thus far I've lost most of my lower jaw teeth, and several of my upper jaw teeth. It would cost around $7000 - 8000 to save my remaining teeth. If I could just afford to have the bad teeth pulled - that would at least deter the deterioration from spreading to the healthy teeth. But extraction is $400-600 PER tooth, I don't have that kind of money. All I can do is wait to lose all of my teeth and hopefully scrape enough money together for dentures.
It's been 4 yrs since my husband's death and I won't even consider dating because of my teeth. It's so embarrassing and humiliating that I rarely venture into a public setting. I'm even self-conscious about smiling at my daughter because I feel like I'm setting a bad example.
The point I was trying to make is that it's so much more than a physical ailment. It can literally control your life and relationships - and there is no where to turn for assistance or relief.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 25, 2008 9:24 AM
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On average, dental care in this country isn't all that bad though--anyone ever been to Japan or ol' Blighty?
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Posted by: sarahk on Jan 25, 2008 9:28 AM
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What was missing that could have prevented problems was regular dental care that could have stopped small cavities from turning into massive infections. We were too poor to get dental treatment, and no, we did not spend the money on cable TV or other entertainment. We did not have a TV in the house. We were busy spending money on organic fruits and veggies.
There is no pain like the pain of an infected tooth. I feel sick in my stomach thinking of the pain that Demonte and other children like him have to suffer.
I do think there may be a genetic element to tooth decay. Some people seem very prone to dental problems even though their lifestyle is healthier than others who have little or no dental problems.
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Posted by: Nasookin on Jan 25, 2008 9:48 AM
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Not withstanding 70 percent of Americans are subjected to fluoride exposure in their drinking water and food processed with it and many prescription drugs (including SSRI anti depressants tweaked with a fluorine molecule), it is virtually impossible to find a low priced toothpaste free of fluoride.
Since the United States is the most over fluoridated country in the world. It should have the lowest rate of dental decay among its population. In fact, the worst areas of tooth decay are in major metropolitan areas like New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore and the District of Columbia - all fluoridate. But the CDC keeps pushing.
Today's tooth decay problem is the consequence of endemic truth decay among those who promoted a "one size fits all" solution rather than deal with the real culprits: Nutrient depleted junk food and lack of education in proper dental hygiene.
The following is an admission that Fluoridation has been nothing but one big 60 year experiment of mass mediation on the American public: The FDA states in its proposed rule making: “As can be seen from [table 11b] of this document, the population-coverage and population-weighted AIs [Adequate Intake] for fluoride... exceed the UL [Tolerable Upper Intake Level] for children 4 to 8 years.”
One definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome.
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Posted by: VickyinSD on Jan 25, 2008 10:10 AM
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Even though the dental coverage for MediCal patients is only minimal coverage at best, it's more than many have without it, and if eliminated will leave those covered under MediCal with NO option when problems arise.
What a joke! (I would laugh, if I could honestly see the humor in it.)
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Ms. vanden Heuvel then follows this with a cheap plug for Clinton, clearly the most reactionary of the Democratic candidates overall, ending on the note that "It's good" - no doubt it makes Ms. vanden Heuvel feel good - "to see some Democrats on the Hill -- and in the statehouses -- working so hard to craft a sane and humane response to this epidemic. Much remains to be done, but there are good people who will keep this on the radar and continue this fight."
But there can be no doubt that the Democrats will do nothing comprehensive to actually end this crisis on a Federal-wide level. This is particularly true of the Clinton Democrats, whose policies in the 1990's did so much to promote this crisis in health care.
But they will gladly "feel your pain" in exchange for your vote, while they introduce their funding bills for propaganda effect, knowing full well they have no chance of implementation. Most importantly, they will make well-heeled leftists feel good about promoting the Democrats as a "solution" to a problem that party has done so much to cause in the first place.
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Posted by: frantic1971 on Jan 25, 2008 11:33 AM
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I am in charge of the initial dental processing of new recruits, and the dental conditions of these kids is truly appalling. I haven't seen dental health as bad as this since my stint as a dentist in the Peace Corps. As bad as anything I saw in the third world. It's a dentist's nightmare: impacted wisdom teeth, advanced pyorrhea, untreated abcesses.. you name it.
Most of them are from the trailer parks and innercities. They are clearly embarassed by their dental conditions. For most of them, I am the first real dental care they have had in their lives. They tell some sad stories: about not having the money to afford a dentist. About pulling teeth with pliers and treating toothache with salt water. One young man told me he shoplifted penicillin from the vet supply store in his town to treat a tooth infection.
Many of these young men (and women) are well on their way to being toothless by the age of 30.
What causes it? In two words: poverty and bad diet. And both are probably related. No money for dental care, and no money for proper nutrition in the critical early years.
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Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Jan 25, 2008 12:04 PM
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I have another loose tooth. It hasn't reached the point of actually falling out yet, but it would be nice to be able to have these teeth pulled and get dentures before the bone to which they are attached deteriorates to a point where it won't hold dentures. Unless something changes, I fear I'm doomed to become a toothless old hag.
In a supposedly wealthy nation like ours, it is a travesty that dental care is not universally available. There is absolutely no reason for a child to die from a dental abscess, or for a person to have to pull her own teeth.
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Posted by: flapdoodle on Jan 25, 2008 1:58 PM
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Sounds weird I know. I told my dentist about it and he said that lots of things will work for awhile but bacteria of any type will eventualy from an immunity from any substance- even Listerine. In thinking that over though I realized that it can't be true in the case of alcohol, because alcohol is universally used as a disinfectant- because it works! And it doesn't stop working. Another good thing about it is that being a liquid- not a paste, it penetrates easily to the base of the teeth, where most of the trouble happens. Use it as a mouthwash, then, while it's still in your mouth start brushing.,
I'm sorry not to have any suggestions regarding recovering alcoholics, or children. Everyone will have to work that out for themselves.
Meanwhile, if you have tooth decay or gum problems give it a try. Cheap vodka is actually best because it doesn't contain flovoring or other additives.
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Posted by: moontime on Jan 25, 2008 2:12 PM
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The fluoride they put in the water (and foods/drinks) is not the kind that is good for you and is in fact bad for your teeth, not to mention it literally rots holes in your brain. It is a byproduct of the aluminum industry. It was first used by Hitler in the camps to make the prisoners docile.
It is also in your food, any processed food with water as an ingredient is most likely made with fluoridated water. We need to end this practice of putting this crap in our water immediately.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:24 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:29 PM
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We need a profession that doesn't act like a street gang just to avoid a gigantic impending class action suit, taking bitter revenge on its inside squealers and stoolies. We need honest science, not people who make Kansas school boards look like Einstein.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:35 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:41 PM
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What we put into our kids in sickening school lunches is part of why kids have such bad teeth. We can control these problems. The kids are smarter and do better in school, and they don't break things, which is a strange financial reason for schools to clean up their food, but I've heard one report that the savings in the maintenance budget were in fact equal to the cost of better food plus the cost of losing a lucrative soda machine contract.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 25, 2008 3:47 PM
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Posted by: atka on Jan 25, 2008 5:10 PM
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I also agree that fluoride is bad. I also think that dental health is partially genetic - some people have a higher risk of developing cavities than others, even with equal care/diet. Both my husband and I have had problems with our teeth (he grew up poor, I grew up behind the Iron Curtain) so I made sure my daughter takes care of her teeth and knock on wood, she's 14 and not a single cavity ever! I ensure she brushes and flosses daily, and eats a healthy diet with fruit and vegetables. I also have well water and don't allow fluoride treatments from the dentist. And the main thing - no sodas EVER (unless she's at a birthday party or something), there is NONE at home, nothing but water after brushing teeth, very little candy/processed foods. But then, I'm 'middle class' and can afford it. If I were working at Walmart, I probably couldn't. There is a huge disconnect between what the poor eat/can afford (also known as the 'real economy') and what our legislators and candidates, all wealthy and priviledged, experience.
I remember my parents (in Poland) telling me that you can tell an American from a Brit by the quality of his/her teeth - American were white and even while the Brits' teeth were decayed, yellow and crooked (see the old Beatles' pix). It is obvious that at some point dental care here was better. Now, what happened? Reagonomics???
Oh, and one last thing. I lived in Nigeria for 3 years in the eighties. In the bush. Most of the people there had one pair of flip-flops, pants and t-shirt, toothbrushes and toothpaste were a luxury. They used chewed up twigs to dislodge food particles from their teeth (similar to our flossing)and ate home cooked meals(I mean not processed foods, even if purchased from a street vendor). Their snacks were roasted unsalted peanuts, coconuts, roasted plaintains with hot chili sauce, bushmeat on a stick, and fruit. I've never seen people with whiter, healthier teeth! So yeah, our Western diet is a culprit.
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Posted by: Apolitical Blues on Jan 25, 2008 7:01 PM
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Posted by: 007 on Jan 25, 2008 8:56 PM
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I have met better thugs in an alley!!!!
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Posted by: 007 on Jan 25, 2008 9:02 PM
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Thats 2 teeth! WOW! I know 3 dentists in Reno where I live. They all have families with over 6 kids!!!!! I guess they can afford them............
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Posted by: FRoller on Jan 25, 2008 10:19 PM
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If more people took care of their teeth there would be more money to help those with real dental problems.
Dental cleaning costs $150 bucks per visit, without any plan, in the middle of silicon valley. It is necessary, and affordable (three fill-ups in your suv?). So instead of wasting money on your cell phone plans and text messaging, maybe save some money and get your teeth cleaned regularly. Save? What's that you say?
Americans need to prioritize and stop acting like victims. You are your own worst enemy.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 25, 2008 11:04 PM
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Posted by: Beagle17 on Jan 26, 2008 4:27 AM
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On top of that, the dentist will apologize for the expensive fee because I am not hooked up on the national insurance at the moment. If I was, it'd probably cost me about $12 or so - not sure.
Also, I once went to Portugal where I had two wisdom teeth extracted that were stupidly left in on recommendation of a specialist in my home area in Canada. The Portuguese dentist was the best I'd ever visited. She told me the 2 teeth remining were putting lots of pressure on all my teeth causing chronic problems. She was right. Since their removal, I can floss much more easily and have had few problems.
She also did a cleaning, fixed a botched root canal, and did a filling or two. The total bill, if I can recall, was just over US$100.
Citizens of countries like Canada and the United States live with blinders on. They always assume that they receive the best quality of care for a fair price determined by logical market forces. But this is just an illusion. Visit any "recently-developed" country around the world and you will find that quality, affordable medical care is available without insurance. And there is usually (always?) a national insurance plan too, for those who may want to use it, such as families.
There is no reason that costs are so high in Canada and the U.S. except that the systems there are entrenched and held in place by vested interests.
If the U.S. thinks copying Canada's system is the solution to their problems, they had better think again. Watch the documentary, Dead Meat.
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Posted by: rwday@cox.net on Jan 26, 2008 4:40 AM
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I'd wager that most of the commenters here are middle class or better. We probably work in positions that put us behind a desk, using brain power as opposed to muscle. I work at a library, for instance, and even with the relative ease of my job, quite often I'm too tired at the end of the day to cook a proper meal. How much more tired will the nurse's aid, the Walmart worker be? McDonald's is real tempting when your feet are aching and your kids are nagging for the latest toy they've seen on the Happy Meal commercial.
I can look at a pack of chicken thighs, some carrots, onions, flour and such and see meal possibilities because my mother taught me to cook. Cooking isn't something programmed into a mother's genetic code. Sure, you can go to the library and get a cookbook, assuming you have a decent library that's still funded in your town. Assuming that you have transportation to the library. Assuming that you have time to get to the library during the hours the library is open. Assuming you can read adequately enough to follow the instructions in the first place.
Speaking of transportation, it's really easy for me to pack heavy bags of potatoes, bulky fruits and vegetables and such into the back of my car. If I'm limited to what I can carry on a bus or in my hands as I walk home from a tiny city market, I'm likely going to be buying convenience foods because they pack easily into bags. And they're cheap, and frequently the focus of targeted sales.
It used to be there were programs through social services to teach budgeting, food storage and preparation. But now, helping the poor means tossing them into the lake and seeing if they can swim. That's how my father learned to swim in 1930. He knew, though, that his older brother was right there and would pull him out if he got into real trouble. Someone needs to remind these largely Christian Republicans who their brothers, their neighbors are.
Finally, the focus of this article isn't adults, it's children. Children cannot make their own food choices. They're at the mercy of the adults in their lives. The point of a safety net is to be there when the primary systems, in this case the family, fails. I don't care what personal choices on the part of that boy's parents may have led to his tooth infection - I only care that he died in pain amidst plenty from something regular dental care would have prevented.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Jan 26, 2008 5:32 PM
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Now that which was once considered basic in America is only for the upper middle class and the rich. Something is very very wrong here.
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Posted by: richardmoss1 on Jan 29, 2008 2:53 AM
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in my late teens, i immediately started brushing after each meal and by my early 20's eliminated practically all refined sugars.
on a average i see the dentist once every 3 - 5 years, mainly concerned am i missing any areas and there is never any tartar build up anymore, i'm very much aware the most challenging areas to clean.
hydrogen proxide is kind of hard on the gums, but a small toothbrush, a real small pinpointed soft brush along the sides of the teeth/gumline, a gum stimulator, and floss.... work a antibacterial and/or salt water, and/or baking soda when you floss.. in between the pockets and once every month or two brush with vinegar only for about 30 seconds, then floss, you will be amazed how well it softens up any spots missed... and once every week or two salt dries out any hidden bacteria. haven't seen the dentist for years.. salt will definitely let you know if there's a minor infection developing along the gum line.. it's really your responsibility to keep your teeth for life... got tired going to the dentist once a year and asking him areas i'm missing, now see the dentist once every 3 - 5 years, even then it appears just for a checkup, it appears i'm aware of all the spots that need cleaning.. really don't want to get couple of microns loss each the dentist scraps the roots ... he doesn't need to anymore...
one of the very most important things is to rinse your mouth out REAL WELL after eating like immediately and not just rinse, but for 5 minutes, there will be practically nothing to brush and once a day make sure to brush the tongue and gums... but be gentle along the gumline... it really is your responsibility
to care for your teeth.. a dentist cannot do it for you... but remember.. after eating immediately rinse your teeth really well, about 5 minutes should do it... IMMEDIATELY after eating, don't even wait a minute or two before rinsing, then rinse for 3 - 5 minutes to get all the simple carboydrates out of your mouth.. you will know if you rinsed 15 minutes later when you do brush your teeth and you may find there's very little to brush
dental health is extremely important... yes teeth and gums can slowly heel.. i guarntees
but i've heard gigivitis/periodontal disease
cannot exist around salt and/or baking soda,
but it does change the ph of the environment
unnaturally.. but working water with baking soda or salt in between the teeth will the floss helps me out alot.. i'm really glad
for the most part i've taken responsibility
to seiver dependence on the dentist for in
what reality is my responsibility and you can
keep them healthy for life
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Posted by: richardmoss1 on Jan 29, 2008 3:05 AM
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and even more important is to keep the gums healthy... it is true .. infected pockets or
even worse is a very serious health issue, at
least equally important as any other to not
allow infections to persists in gum pockets..
it is THAT important... almost guarnteed
neglected to become a serious infection...
you'll never eliminate the bacteria.. you
want to stay slightly ahead of it and most
definitely floss by the 2'nd day
what's a shame is everyone believes the dentist will take care of your teeth and they don't..
it's YOUR responsibility
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