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We're One Step Closer to Creating Genetically Enhanced Humans
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But related views espoused by one of this year's laureates have gone unnoticed. In early October, the Nobel Prize for biology went to three scientists whose talent and persistence gave us "knockout mice," the genetically engineered lab animals widely used by researchers to model and study human diseases. In the words of a Nobel committee member, these designer mice have "led to penetrating new insights" in several biological fields.
The story of one of the biology winners, Mario Capecchi, was the lead in most of the news reports about the award. Capecchi's rags-to-riches life gave an extra mythic dimension to the fairytale-like quality that always accompanies the Nobel announcements, with their large sums of money and middle-of-the-night phone calls to astonished scientists.
Capecchi spent his early childhood in World War II Italy, living on the streets and in orphanages after his mother was sent to Dachau for anti-Fascist activities. She survived and found her son on his ninth birthday. Together they set sail for the United States, where Capecchi got a high-quality education and eventually reached Watson's Harvard lab.
But there's another aspect of Capecchi's life that may sound more like science fiction than fairy tale. The new Nobel laureate, like his former mentor Watson, has spoken enthusiastically of using the genetic science he's helped advance to engineer biologically enhanced children.
The prospect of a renewed, high-tech eugenics is extraordinarily controversial, but it is not just a fantasy. It is coming ever closer to technical plausibility, and for a disturbing number of influential scientists and eccentric futurists, it is an agenda. At an infamous UCLA conference in 1998, Watson, Capecchi, and other prominent scientists gathered to strategize about how to make it "acceptable" to the public. The event was titled Engineering the Human Germline -- a reference to what is now more commonly called "inheritable genetic modification" -- and covered on the front pages of the New York Times and Washington Post.
The conferees were quite explicit. Watson -- hardly known for his shyness or tact -- proclaimed to the audience of nearly a thousand, "If we could make better human beings by knowing how to add genes, why shouldn't we do it?" (As for the "better human beings" he has in mind, he told a British film maker in 2003 that he considers ten percent of children "stupid," and would like to see them genetically modified. "If you really are stupid, I would call that a disease," Watson said. He went on to argue for using genetic techniques to prevent the births of "ugly girls." "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty," he explained. "I think it would be great.")
Another conference attendee, Princeton mouse biologist turned futurist Lee Silver, has elaborated on this frankly eugenic vision. In Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World (William Morrow: 1997), Silver eagerly imagines a future in which the appearance, personality, cognitive abilities, and sensory capacities of children become products of genetic modification. Silver acknowledges that the costs of such procedures would limit their widespread adoption, and predicts that over time society would segregate into castes that he dubs the "GenRich" and the "Naturals."
In the promotion of a new eugenics, Capecchi has been less the salesman or provocateur, and more the architect -- or, perhaps, the engineer. His talk at the 1998 conference, called "The Genetic Engineer's Tool Box," examined techniques "for safe, reliable germline engineering in humans." Capecchi acknowledged concerns about the wisdom of making permanent changes in the human genome. If inheritable genetic modification were to begin in twenty years, he mused, "the procedures that we'll be working out at that point will appear very primitive fifty years from now. And those procedures, in turn, will appear very primitive a hundred years from now." This presents a serious problem: "[T]here's no way we should create a system where it is a permanent record."
But for a man of Capecchi's scientific imagination, this problem is surmountable. In fact, he had already devised a clever work-around. His proposal: Create those genetic changes in the embryos that will become genetically enhanced children, but put "on" and "off" switches into their genes. Newsweek described the scheme as "an end run around the worry that it is wrong to monkey with human evolution."
Unlike Watson and others, Capecchi seems not to have pursued advocacy of using genetic tools in the service of a eugenic future. Perhaps he has had second thoughts. Perhaps he has recognized the disastrous new forms of discrimination and inequality that eugenic engineering could so easily produce. Perhaps there's a chance he'll use the platform afforded by his Nobel Prize to reject such dangerous applications of the science he's helped to develop. Or is that too much of a fairy tale ending?
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Posted by: Smartcookie on Oct 20, 2007 9:46 AM
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Imagine being able to go through school in 5 years (or less) instead of the almost 12-18 years it takes now.
Child prodigies have existed before, and the dream of eugenicists is to create people like William James Sidis and other great prodigious children, who have by design expanded memory capacity and faster thinking.
You can't stop it, just like you couldn't stop the development of the internet or computers. Human beings instinct to SURVIVE in a hostile universe, they will do whatever it takes, pragmatism always comes before moral concern in the fight to survive.
You all should know that yourselves by how you conduct your own financial transactions and relationships... do you get into a relationship with someone who is disabled, or extremely ugly?
Only hypocrites would deny appearances, abilities and socio-economic status don't matter.
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» It is not eugenics it is medicine. Forcing people to have genetic diseases is unethical.
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Posted by: pogo_h on Oct 20, 2007 11:27 AM
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dangerous experimental ideas mixed with ever escalating
corporate inducements to take risks with patients, lab animals,
and now the entire human genome. The academic setting
used to be a check on mad scientists. Now they all "consult"
for industry! Where will it end?
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Posted by: grethart on Oct 23, 2007 5:49 PM
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If you were not "desirable" , or could not be made" genetically pure," or altered to "their specifications", you were eliminated.
Many people still feel this way. Did you know that? So what do we do with the ones who don't "fit".....eliminate them...?
....genetically "perfect" or 'altered' humans ( and who is to set the standard?) are not what we are meant to be.
We are individuals, formed naturally by our biological parents, whomever they may be.
Creating changes in this natural system of things, can create worldwide chaos and genocide, if one is not of the geneticaly "pure" or "chosen" or "up-to-standards" class...
If there is serious malady, illness, and the possibility of cure or a better quality of life is involved with "manipulative medications" to an individual, we surely can pursue that to benefit the world.
Otherwise, leave our genes alone.
We've been through one holocaust, many genicides and ethnic cleansings, and lots, and lots, and lots of sci-fi movies, with not so nice endings.
It's great information, and we are extremely intelligent beings; but messing with mother nature is a trip through disasterville.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Oct 24, 2007 4:52 PM
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And you know what? None of it bothers me much.
Natural selection has left us with a genome that is in many ways defective. We are frail. We aren't nearly as smart as we could be. We are subject to genetic diseases and short life spans (your opinion may be different, but *I* think we live lives that are too short).
And we are poorly adapted to other environments: Ceres, Europa, Titan, etc.
Equality is a myth; it's never been true. Humans already vary. Can I match Michael Jordan's athletic prowess? No. Am I equal to Albert Einstein's mathematical ability? No. Even something as trivial as economic worth gives the lie to the equality myth. Bill Gates has more "equality" than I ever will.
Don't bother trying to stuff the genie back into the bottle. It won't work and never has with scientific advancement.
Instead, embrace diversity, and work for social institutions which guarantee equal *protection.* We are not going to be equally valued, but we can at least try to make sure that everyone gets a fair trial if accused, everyone has access to the same social safety nets, everyone is treated fairly.
A world with humans who are genetically the same would be dull, nobody wants that. But the diversity we see today is an accident. I see nothing inherently evil about taking evolution into our own hands and seeing what we can make of ourselves. And if that results in even more diversity, then we'd better learn to deal with it.
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Posted by: fdgsr on Oct 26, 2007 6:10 AM
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Medicine is preventing the weeding out process of natural selection of deleterious defects. Recessive gene errors are more apt to crop up now than ever before. It used to be safe for mating of first cousins and even half siblings because it tended to weed out and reduce the deleterious recessive genes for errors of metabolism and other traits. Though recessive genes did continue to crop up, they were kept at a minimum.
With continuing correction by manipulating the chemistry of human function things get worse each generation. By gene splicing, deliberate manipulation of the genome, man with his ability to make progress along the track of the intelligent design of nature will overcome some of the problems introduced by our humitarian attempt to cheat death and increase productivity.
Remember what the ancients feared about sailing too far toward the horrizon at sea? The brave explorers showed the way. The rest of us followed. Let the brave new explorers find the moral compass to circumnavigate the world of reason and intelligent design. We could wipe out disease, increase intelligence, and improve the lives of future races of superman. This is not a comic strip.
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Are we permitted to turn her out to find another custodial family? Although she is not up to our standards and expectations, I'm sure there are some out there who would want an attractive A-minus female child, and surely she would spend no more than one night on the street before someone took her.
Please advise. We don't want to spend any more money feeding or clothing her, as she is substandard.
Yours truly,
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the qualities that make one truly happy and successful - patience, ability to learn from mistakes, communication skills, none of these things are exclusively genetic.
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Next thing it'll be hair color and waist measurements.
Neo-nazism anyone?
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Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 26, 2007 1:36 PM
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We may have a map of the human genome. The map is not the territory. Scientists who cannot make that distinction may not be "dumb;" just fools and dangerous fools at that. Being a fool seems to have nothing to do with IQ or training, as Watson shows us.
The fact that one of the discoverers of genetic information wants to eliminate those who might be "dumb" shouts loud warnings. Does he think he is God? Isn't that what Frankenstein's monster was all about?
Science is great for getting what we want. It can tell us nothing, zero, zilch about what to want. Science has no inherent regard for limits. "Breakthroughs," of whatever kind are rewarded. Scientists need to be kept on a leash, like a guard dog. They have no compunction about giving us the means to destroy life. To talk of "perfect" human beings is evidence of ignorance. But it sure do sell, don't it? Lotsa buyers here.
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an expansionist foreign policy necessarily engenders racism (and vice-versa)..of which eugenics is a form...
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Oct 26, 2007 9:27 PM
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There's no way "genetically enhanced humans" are going to become a reality any time soon.
For one thing, the political climate and people's innate fear of change just will not permit it. Look at Bush and his stem cell prohibition, for example, and that just concerning cells for medical research purposes.
For another, we really just don't know enough to do it with reliable effects. Human begins are extremely complex organisms. A gene that would be useful in one tissue may cause havoc in another, for example; genetic control mechanisms for expression really aren't all that well understood. Or it may be beneficial early in life but not later on, a result which could only be apparent after more than half a human life time.
If anything, the very first uses of genetic modification will be to address defects that create nasty diseases like cystic fibrosis, for example. Not to let people select eye color or brain capacity in their newborns.
Nor would it even be practical to start creating a generation of geniuses, even if it were possible. Who would do all of the drudge work that is hardly tolerable even to those whose minds don't work like lightning?
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 27, 2007 12:12 AM
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with any of your horror tales. The truth is, we were very
badly designed by evolution and we deserve better.
Wouldn't you like to have a 600 year life expectancy?
A back that doesn't hurt? Immunity to lots of diseases,
germ caused and biological? A knee that lasts 600 years?
A hip joint that doesn't need surgery? A brain that works
properly without the mental illnesses that you have? [If you
are religious, you have a mental illness.] An IQ of 300?
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Posted by: NumberSix on Oct 28, 2007 5:17 AM
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We take a cold virus, and with this genetic research, modify it into a head cold that kills. 99 percent lethal. Spreads like a dropped cigarette in San Diego. Impossible to detect, until death kicks in.
Yep, The Stand. And I'd put money on it that, as we speak, that very idea is under study.
Gee, are we not foolish or what?
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 28, 2007 1:22 PM
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Evolution is messy: enjoy the fantasy that you "engineer" your way out of the mess.... as if humans are separate from "nature"...
Genetic engineering is not sci-fi: enjoy the fantasy that sci-fi is only make-believe or "negativity" expressed and just ignore all the research that goes into writing sci-fi and the messy genetics that create writers in the first place. Above all don't look at the writing on the wall....
This is what we get from a society of emotionally vapid, illiterate, wealthy cretins. The shitstorm we have is only gettin' worse. Ethics alone won't subvert or deflect the onslaught of the monied delusionals.
We are too many on this earth, we are too interconnected, and we are too dependent on each other to tolerate this kind of stoopid any longer.
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Posted by: Smartcookie on Oct 20, 2007 9:46 AM
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Imagine being able to go through school in 5 years (or less) instead of the almost 12-18 years it takes now.
Child prodigies have existed before, and the dream of eugenicists is to create people like William James Sidis and other great prodigious children, who have by design expanded memory capacity and faster thinking.
You can't stop it, just like you couldn't stop the development of the internet or computers. Human beings instinct to SURVIVE in a hostile universe, they will do whatever it takes, pragmatism always comes before moral concern in the fight to survive.
You all should know that yourselves by how you conduct your own financial transactions and relationships... do you get into a relationship with someone who is disabled, or extremely ugly?
Only hypocrites would deny appearances, abilities and socio-economic status don't matter.
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» It is not eugenics it is medicine. Forcing people to have genetic diseases is unethical.
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Posted by: pogo_h on Oct 20, 2007 11:27 AM
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dangerous experimental ideas mixed with ever escalating
corporate inducements to take risks with patients, lab animals,
and now the entire human genome. The academic setting
used to be a check on mad scientists. Now they all "consult"
for industry! Where will it end?
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Posted by: grethart on Oct 23, 2007 5:49 PM
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If you were not "desirable" , or could not be made" genetically pure," or altered to "their specifications", you were eliminated.
Many people still feel this way. Did you know that? So what do we do with the ones who don't "fit".....eliminate them...?
....genetically "perfect" or 'altered' humans ( and who is to set the standard?) are not what we are meant to be.
We are individuals, formed naturally by our biological parents, whomever they may be.
Creating changes in this natural system of things, can create worldwide chaos and genocide, if one is not of the geneticaly "pure" or "chosen" or "up-to-standards" class...
If there is serious malady, illness, and the possibility of cure or a better quality of life is involved with "manipulative medications" to an individual, we surely can pursue that to benefit the world.
Otherwise, leave our genes alone.
We've been through one holocaust, many genicides and ethnic cleansings, and lots, and lots, and lots of sci-fi movies, with not so nice endings.
It's great information, and we are extremely intelligent beings; but messing with mother nature is a trip through disasterville.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Oct 24, 2007 4:52 PM
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And you know what? None of it bothers me much.
Natural selection has left us with a genome that is in many ways defective. We are frail. We aren't nearly as smart as we could be. We are subject to genetic diseases and short life spans (your opinion may be different, but *I* think we live lives that are too short).
And we are poorly adapted to other environments: Ceres, Europa, Titan, etc.
Equality is a myth; it's never been true. Humans already vary. Can I match Michael Jordan's athletic prowess? No. Am I equal to Albert Einstein's mathematical ability? No. Even something as trivial as economic worth gives the lie to the equality myth. Bill Gates has more "equality" than I ever will.
Don't bother trying to stuff the genie back into the bottle. It won't work and never has with scientific advancement.
Instead, embrace diversity, and work for social institutions which guarantee equal *protection.* We are not going to be equally valued, but we can at least try to make sure that everyone gets a fair trial if accused, everyone has access to the same social safety nets, everyone is treated fairly.
A world with humans who are genetically the same would be dull, nobody wants that. But the diversity we see today is an accident. I see nothing inherently evil about taking evolution into our own hands and seeing what we can make of ourselves. And if that results in even more diversity, then we'd better learn to deal with it.
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Posted by: fdgsr on Oct 26, 2007 6:10 AM
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Medicine is preventing the weeding out process of natural selection of deleterious defects. Recessive gene errors are more apt to crop up now than ever before. It used to be safe for mating of first cousins and even half siblings because it tended to weed out and reduce the deleterious recessive genes for errors of metabolism and other traits. Though recessive genes did continue to crop up, they were kept at a minimum.
With continuing correction by manipulating the chemistry of human function things get worse each generation. By gene splicing, deliberate manipulation of the genome, man with his ability to make progress along the track of the intelligent design of nature will overcome some of the problems introduced by our humitarian attempt to cheat death and increase productivity.
Remember what the ancients feared about sailing too far toward the horrizon at sea? The brave explorers showed the way. The rest of us followed. Let the brave new explorers find the moral compass to circumnavigate the world of reason and intelligent design. We could wipe out disease, increase intelligence, and improve the lives of future races of superman. This is not a comic strip.
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Are we permitted to turn her out to find another custodial family? Although she is not up to our standards and expectations, I'm sure there are some out there who would want an attractive A-minus female child, and surely she would spend no more than one night on the street before someone took her.
Please advise. We don't want to spend any more money feeding or clothing her, as she is substandard.
Yours truly,
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the qualities that make one truly happy and successful - patience, ability to learn from mistakes, communication skills, none of these things are exclusively genetic.
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Posted by: madelyn.marie on Oct 26, 2007 1:14 PM
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Next thing it'll be hair color and waist measurements.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 26, 2007 1:36 PM
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We may have a map of the human genome. The map is not the territory. Scientists who cannot make that distinction may not be "dumb;" just fools and dangerous fools at that. Being a fool seems to have nothing to do with IQ or training, as Watson shows us.
The fact that one of the discoverers of genetic information wants to eliminate those who might be "dumb" shouts loud warnings. Does he think he is God? Isn't that what Frankenstein's monster was all about?
Science is great for getting what we want. It can tell us nothing, zero, zilch about what to want. Science has no inherent regard for limits. "Breakthroughs," of whatever kind are rewarded. Scientists need to be kept on a leash, like a guard dog. They have no compunction about giving us the means to destroy life. To talk of "perfect" human beings is evidence of ignorance. But it sure do sell, don't it? Lotsa buyers here.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Oct 26, 2007 2:11 PM
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an expansionist foreign policy necessarily engenders racism (and vice-versa)..of which eugenics is a form...
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Oct 26, 2007 9:27 PM
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There's no way "genetically enhanced humans" are going to become a reality any time soon.
For one thing, the political climate and people's innate fear of change just will not permit it. Look at Bush and his stem cell prohibition, for example, and that just concerning cells for medical research purposes.
For another, we really just don't know enough to do it with reliable effects. Human begins are extremely complex organisms. A gene that would be useful in one tissue may cause havoc in another, for example; genetic control mechanisms for expression really aren't all that well understood. Or it may be beneficial early in life but not later on, a result which could only be apparent after more than half a human life time.
If anything, the very first uses of genetic modification will be to address defects that create nasty diseases like cystic fibrosis, for example. Not to let people select eye color or brain capacity in their newborns.
Nor would it even be practical to start creating a generation of geniuses, even if it were possible. Who would do all of the drudge work that is hardly tolerable even to those whose minds don't work like lightning?
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» Like the cpu programming geniuses whose programming no one else can understand?
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 27, 2007 12:12 AM
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with any of your horror tales. The truth is, we were very
badly designed by evolution and we deserve better.
Wouldn't you like to have a 600 year life expectancy?
A back that doesn't hurt? Immunity to lots of diseases,
germ caused and biological? A knee that lasts 600 years?
A hip joint that doesn't need surgery? A brain that works
properly without the mental illnesses that you have? [If you
are religious, you have a mental illness.] An IQ of 300?
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Posted by: NumberSix on Oct 28, 2007 5:17 AM
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We take a cold virus, and with this genetic research, modify it into a head cold that kills. 99 percent lethal. Spreads like a dropped cigarette in San Diego. Impossible to detect, until death kicks in.
Yep, The Stand. And I'd put money on it that, as we speak, that very idea is under study.
Gee, are we not foolish or what?
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Oct 28, 2007 10:41 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 28, 2007 1:22 PM
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Evolution is messy: enjoy the fantasy that you "engineer" your way out of the mess.... as if humans are separate from "nature"...
Genetic engineering is not sci-fi: enjoy the fantasy that sci-fi is only make-believe or "negativity" expressed and just ignore all the research that goes into writing sci-fi and the messy genetics that create writers in the first place. Above all don't look at the writing on the wall....
This is what we get from a society of emotionally vapid, illiterate, wealthy cretins. The shitstorm we have is only gettin' worse. Ethics alone won't subvert or deflect the onslaught of the monied delusionals.
We are too many on this earth, we are too interconnected, and we are too dependent on each other to tolerate this kind of stoopid any longer.
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