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Google Wants to Track Your Medical History -- And Your Genome
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With that low mark in mind, you might find the idea of Google's having its virtual hands on your medical history a bit disturbing. The company, and its rival Microsoft, are each taking the first steps toward the burgeoning, and lucrative, industry of electronic health-records management.
Having your medical records in an accessible, searchable and consistent format is certainly appealing. But you, and your doctor, would also become a magnet for advertisers offering services based on your particular medical history.
Eminent technology investor and pundit Esther Dyson isn't worried about privacy policies, her personal records being hacked, or these companies cooperating with the National Security Agency. In fact, she wants you to turn over not just your medical records, but your personal genetic sequence as well.
In a recent interview on Charlie Rose, Dyson explained that she's among ten people about to put their health histories and genetic sequences on the internet for public viewing. She optimistically predicts that lots of us will soon entrust such information to online companies, albeit in private accounts.
Although Dyson acknowledged some of the troubling questions this prospect raises, she quickly dismissed them: "Like it or not, it's gonna happen."
Her rhetorical dodge is unfortunate. The convergence of biotechnology, the web, and big business is, in fact, quite alarming.
Here's the scenario: After signing up online, you receive a kit in the mail. In your home, you provide a saliva sample in the supplied cup and ship it off to a lab. For a few hundred dollars, much of your genome is sequenced, and the company places it on a website. It's then linked to your complete medical history, also online.
At this point, the company says, you can learn about your predispositions to diseases, conditions for which you carry a recessive gene, and genealogical information. The website offers medical advice, along with advertisements for potentially useful products and services. You can even communicate with people with similar genetic characteristics, making "friends" and forming "groups."
That seems to be the plan of a Silicon Valley start-up, 23andMe, named for the 23 pairs of chromosomes that hold your genome. Google, Genentech, and venture capital firms have invested at least $10 million in 23andMe. Its founder recently married one of Google's founders. Ms. Dyson is also an investor and board member -- something that didn't come up during her interview.
The cost of genetic sequencing is rapidly falling. Though a complete sequence still goes for about a hundred thousand dollars, federal grants -- and even a privately backed $10 million prize -- are pushing down the cost. Some analysts believe that a complete genome will be sequenced for just a thousand dollars in five years. For now, 23andMe would rely just on key segments of your genome. Its service should launch within a year.
So what's the problem?
First, important private information will move outside of your control. If divulged, your genome and medical history can impact critical decisions by prospective employers, insurers and even spouses. Are you ready to entrust this deeply personal information to a company that gets an "F" in privacy?
Second, this data will be a goldmine, but only the corporations will get a cut. Researchers currently spend millions trying to discover genes that correlate with medical conditions. With thousands of genomes and health records to compile and compare, 23andMe's technicians and statisticians will be in a position to compete with more traditional researchers. The genetic correlations they uncover will be patented, and remedies for associated ailments sold at a premium.
For example, the test for genes related to breast cancer costs $3,000 -- instead of a few hundred -- largely due to patents held by Myriad Genetics, a biotech company founded by a publicly funded researcher.
Will you get a share of the patents, and profits, on genes discovered by this service? You relinquished any claim when you clicked "I accept" to a long, and generally unread, term of agreement.
Finally, the exact implications and potential inaccuracies of what we may learn are likely to be lost. How might you or I react upon discovering that we have the gene for a fatal, untreatable condition? How will the company make it clear that such a gene may be merely a tendency to develop the disease? What if a father learns that he is not genetically related to his child? What if these results are inaccurate?
Such profound discoveries can be difficult to process in isolation from a broader medical context and counseling resources, a challenge that we are already confronting with the rise of at-home genetic tests.
23andMe plans to offer recommendations to help form social groups based on the aggregated information of thousands of users. This "Web 2.0" model has worked well for Amazon and MySpace. But in its race to transform the falling price of genetic sequencing into a dubious consumer product, the company fails to realize that your medical history and personal genome are fundamentally different than your reading habits, and "patients" are not synonymous with "consumers."
In the end, the underlying view of Google and 23andMe doesn't depart significantly from traditional Silicon Valley culture: that we can depend on technology to solve the world's social problems. But given Google's privacy record, Big Biotech's aggressive patenting of the human genome, and the importance of our medical and genetic information, we should think twice about transferring this model to health care. Contrary to Dyson's claim, this future is not inevitable.
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Posted by: vox persona on Sep 20, 2007 1:10 AM
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In this brave new world of internet data trails and massive data mining, the concept of privacy is now just a quaint memory. Everything we do on-line is observed, we're constantly being photographed by security cameras, our phone records are for sale and every purchase you've ever made with a credit card is available to someone with the push of a few buttons.
The 20th century is over, we're now born into a world where we are tracked and traced from cradle to grave. I see no indication that this younger generation ever miss the concept of privacy, posting personal information on FaceBook and MySpace, constantly on the phone to somebody. Their life is accessible 24/7, and the whole world is plugged into the ubiquitous grid.
There seems to be now way to put this genie back in the bottle. The toothpaste is out of that tube. Whether it's our medical records on Google or some other intrusion, in this day of GPS tracking, biometrics and supercomputers, the day is not too distant when computer chips will be implanted at birth for "security and convenience" reasons. Already I've read reports of pilot programs at pubs in Scotland and Spain where willing patrons are implanted with a chip for transaction purposes, animals are already implanted for various reasons, and certain corporations have already implanted high-level employees for security clearance. It's already here, right now it's still optional, but for how many more generations?
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Posted by: chomsky on Sep 20, 2007 1:11 AM
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At first I liked google; fast, lean, to the point.
But now, I'm scared.
"Sorry, I cannot hire/insure you; my google search on your DNA reports that you might be prone to this and that diseases."
"Oh, you have the paedophile gene; I willl have to jail you for life just in case you become one".
Etc...
It would be nothing to worry about if the world was "happy fluffy bunny world where everybody is nice". But history has shown us that it is far from it.
Imagine what nazi germany would have done with all this information and todays technology...
And always worry when a company's mantra is "do no evil".
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Posted by: ellie on Sep 20, 2007 3:35 AM
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Posted by: benzene on Sep 20, 2007 4:30 AM
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The molecular biologist part of me is jumping up and down in excited joy: "Data! Data! Data!"
On the other hand:
The molecular biologist part of me is wondering how the hell they can get anything even approaching key markers of the genome out of 1 buccal swab. Apparently sequenators have gotten more sensitive...
And on another hand:
The general public part of me is a bit alarmed at the access of pharmaceutical companies to so much sensitive personal data.
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Posted by: Smartcookie on Sep 20, 2007 5:37 AM
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Humans have been Eugenic from the very beginning of life on earth, the fact that we've become so powerful is a testament to evolved mate selection patterns choosing the stronger/healthier over the weaker. It's something we can't escape being part of the animal kingdom.
The truth of the matter is, this is coming whether we llike it or not.
Competition for resources is only going to increase between the big populated countries like the US, China and India, they are going to want to stop the hemoraging of money on government programs on people (read: children) that have genetic dispositions or inborn "defects" that cost them money...
Just look at legistlation against autism and aspergers that is coming up in the governments now-a-days, it's only going to get worse from here on out... and as soon as genetic engineering technology becomes available everyone and their mother is going to want to have the best children they can get.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 20, 2007 6:51 AM
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But I don't trust this move.
TRY TO RESIST GIVING YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH INFO TO ANY ELECTRONIC DATABASE UNTIL YOU HAVE WRITTEN SIGNED AGREEMENTS WHICH YOUR LAWYER CHECKS
(at least while Big Insurance and Big PhRMA are running our health care system)
Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com
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Posted by: somegirl on Sep 20, 2007 8:10 AM
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just like hiipa. what a fucking joke. this privacy act makes you sign away your privacy before you can get any medical care now. how does that protect me? it doesn't.
i think that electronic medical records could be good, and would lead to more efficiency and less mistakes by medical personnel, but first the insurance companies have to be out of the picture.
i know this article isn't quite about that, but it overlaps, and i am not against genetic mapping per se, but again, the insurance companies are the ones that will destroy your life - just like they do now. it will just make it easier for them.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 20, 2007 10:31 AM
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It would benefit us all to correlate genetics with disease present in the populace.
This would allow us to determine what genes can cause what diseases and disorders and make it easier to find cures.
I do think there needs to be privacy protections so that a person's genetic code can't be linked back to their identity.
I also think Google should not be allowed to patent any new findings, nor should the current genetics companies be able to.
What they are doing is not novel, do we give patents on gravity to those who discovered how it works when we create rockets and calculate trajectories? No.
Gravity wasn't invented by man, how it works (or atleast how we currently think it works) was learned by man. The human genome and genetics in general wasn't invented by man, how it works was learned by man and companies should not get patents on what they have learned.
Google should protect all their findings with an Open Source license, Creative Commons, GPL, something, rather than patent them.
Patenting their findings is doing evil, something they claimed they were against.
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Posted by: Landbaron on Sep 20, 2007 12:18 PM
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Posted by: vox persona on Sep 20, 2007 1:10 AM
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In this brave new world of internet data trails and massive data mining, the concept of privacy is now just a quaint memory. Everything we do on-line is observed, we're constantly being photographed by security cameras, our phone records are for sale and every purchase you've ever made with a credit card is available to someone with the push of a few buttons.
The 20th century is over, we're now born into a world where we are tracked and traced from cradle to grave. I see no indication that this younger generation ever miss the concept of privacy, posting personal information on FaceBook and MySpace, constantly on the phone to somebody. Their life is accessible 24/7, and the whole world is plugged into the ubiquitous grid.
There seems to be now way to put this genie back in the bottle. The toothpaste is out of that tube. Whether it's our medical records on Google or some other intrusion, in this day of GPS tracking, biometrics and supercomputers, the day is not too distant when computer chips will be implanted at birth for "security and convenience" reasons. Already I've read reports of pilot programs at pubs in Scotland and Spain where willing patrons are implanted with a chip for transaction purposes, animals are already implanted for various reasons, and certain corporations have already implanted high-level employees for security clearance. It's already here, right now it's still optional, but for how many more generations?
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Posted by: chomsky on Sep 20, 2007 1:11 AM
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At first I liked google; fast, lean, to the point.
But now, I'm scared.
"Sorry, I cannot hire/insure you; my google search on your DNA reports that you might be prone to this and that diseases."
"Oh, you have the paedophile gene; I willl have to jail you for life just in case you become one".
Etc...
It would be nothing to worry about if the world was "happy fluffy bunny world where everybody is nice". But history has shown us that it is far from it.
Imagine what nazi germany would have done with all this information and todays technology...
And always worry when a company's mantra is "do no evil".
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Posted by: ellie on Sep 20, 2007 3:35 AM
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Posted by: benzene on Sep 20, 2007 4:30 AM
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The molecular biologist part of me is jumping up and down in excited joy: "Data! Data! Data!"
On the other hand:
The molecular biologist part of me is wondering how the hell they can get anything even approaching key markers of the genome out of 1 buccal swab. Apparently sequenators have gotten more sensitive...
And on another hand:
The general public part of me is a bit alarmed at the access of pharmaceutical companies to so much sensitive personal data.
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Posted by: Smartcookie on Sep 20, 2007 5:37 AM
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Humans have been Eugenic from the very beginning of life on earth, the fact that we've become so powerful is a testament to evolved mate selection patterns choosing the stronger/healthier over the weaker. It's something we can't escape being part of the animal kingdom.
The truth of the matter is, this is coming whether we llike it or not.
Competition for resources is only going to increase between the big populated countries like the US, China and India, they are going to want to stop the hemoraging of money on government programs on people (read: children) that have genetic dispositions or inborn "defects" that cost them money...
Just look at legistlation against autism and aspergers that is coming up in the governments now-a-days, it's only going to get worse from here on out... and as soon as genetic engineering technology becomes available everyone and their mother is going to want to have the best children they can get.
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» Autism is NOT a disease.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 20, 2007 6:51 AM
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But I don't trust this move.
TRY TO RESIST GIVING YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH INFO TO ANY ELECTRONIC DATABASE UNTIL YOU HAVE WRITTEN SIGNED AGREEMENTS WHICH YOUR LAWYER CHECKS
(at least while Big Insurance and Big PhRMA are running our health care system)
Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com
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Posted by: somegirl on Sep 20, 2007 8:10 AM
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just like hiipa. what a fucking joke. this privacy act makes you sign away your privacy before you can get any medical care now. how does that protect me? it doesn't.
i think that electronic medical records could be good, and would lead to more efficiency and less mistakes by medical personnel, but first the insurance companies have to be out of the picture.
i know this article isn't quite about that, but it overlaps, and i am not against genetic mapping per se, but again, the insurance companies are the ones that will destroy your life - just like they do now. it will just make it easier for them.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 20, 2007 10:31 AM
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It would benefit us all to correlate genetics with disease present in the populace.
This would allow us to determine what genes can cause what diseases and disorders and make it easier to find cures.
I do think there needs to be privacy protections so that a person's genetic code can't be linked back to their identity.
I also think Google should not be allowed to patent any new findings, nor should the current genetics companies be able to.
What they are doing is not novel, do we give patents on gravity to those who discovered how it works when we create rockets and calculate trajectories? No.
Gravity wasn't invented by man, how it works (or atleast how we currently think it works) was learned by man. The human genome and genetics in general wasn't invented by man, how it works was learned by man and companies should not get patents on what they have learned.
Google should protect all their findings with an Open Source license, Creative Commons, GPL, something, rather than patent them.
Patenting their findings is doing evil, something they claimed they were against.
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